WEBVTT - Is JFK Jr. Still Alive? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:05.120 John F. Kennedy Jr. Was the son of John F. Kennedy, 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.000 President of the United States. Tragically, jfk Jr. Was killed 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:16.240 in a plane crash in Or was he Yes, he was, 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.279 of course he was. But what if he wasn't? What 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.520 if he were about to re emerge as the vice 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.360 president of Donald Trump, who, by the way, is still 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.600 the president. Sounds crazy, it is. In fact, it's one 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.240 of the wilder conspiracies I've heard in my seven years 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.040 covering Trump rallies. You're probably familiar with my daily show 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:42.960 segments Jordan Clapper Fingers the Pulse Emmy nominated twice, lost twice, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.360 where I chat with Trump supporters at rallies. We are 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.920 not a call. It's an American ideal that we treat 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:50.519 women with respect. You gotta give me the back of 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.680 that show one more time. That's too much fun. Trump, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.240 that bitch. We don't even see the irony of it. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.120 And if you're into conspiracy theories, then there's nothing that 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.720 comes close to a Trump rally. What's on your back? 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.000 Q flag? One of those crazy people are fine and 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.000 commulaw are not legitimate. What's a cute whole thing that 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.840 Trump would be reinstated at President never looked. If you 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.839 go online, there's a whole list of pedophile symbols. Really, yes, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.320 it's like Woodstock, except everyone there thinks Jimmy Hendrix is 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.480 a holograph. Normally, when one of these conspiracy theories comes up, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.399 I have to respond then moved past it because we're 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.320 shooting a piece for TV and we have to say 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.240 somewhat focused. But this is a podcast, we don't have 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.360 to stay focused at all. So I'm finally diving into 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.240 some of the most incredible conspiracy theories that have been 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.800 pitched to me at Trump Rallies by America's most imaginative minds. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.640 This is Jordan Clapper Fingers, the Conspiracy and All new 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:50.720 limited series podcast from the Daily Show. So, folks, come 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.320 on down from your grassy knolls and let's dig in. 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.440 Let's talk about John F. Kennedy Jr. But to help 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.480 me do that, I want to bring in our first guest, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.000 Will Summer Wills, of politics reporter for The Daily Beast. 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:05.720 He's got a book coming out in February called Trust, 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.320 The Plan, The Rise of Q and On and the 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:13.720 Conspiracy that unhinged America. Well, welcome to Jordan clapper fingers 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.080 the conspiracy. I'm excited to have you on. You are 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.040 here to help me walk through an understand what is 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.280 going on in this world of John F. Kennedy Jr. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.000 And I will say this. I I go out on 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.280 the road and I start hearing people talking about JFK Jr. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.960 And initially I'm thinking, you know, they're talking about JFK. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.920 There's a long history of conspiracies with JFK. And then 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.280 I'm putting together that as JFK Jr. And then I 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.480 start to see signs up. I start to see bumper 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.040 stickers that have him as vice presidential Kennedy to Donald Trump. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.960 And then a month or so back, I go to 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.880 a rally in the Midwest and I'm hearing sweet old 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:55.960 grandmother's talk about John F. Kennedy Jr. And I can't 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.520 make head or tails of it? Can you? Can? You 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.240 set out a little bit of this began? What do 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.000 we need to know? Sure? So, I mean, this is 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.919 really bizarre. As you noted, I mean the origins of 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.840 this are within Q and on Um. Of course, there 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.000 was the this figure Q who was giving these anonymous clues. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.120 And then at one point in teen Q sort of 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.000 vanished for a month on the forums where the clues 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.640 came out, and then someone named Are shows up and 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.720 starts saying, you know, all of this is really about 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.959 JFK Jr. And so that's kind of where the where 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.360 it begins. And eventually Q comes back and kind of 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.680 says like this JFK JUNI yourself is garbage. You know 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.000 what have You've been tricking all my people? Um, But 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.280 the JFK Junior stuff really starts there with this idea 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.320 that JFK Jr. Faked his death to take on the 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.840 deep state and help Donald Trump sort of bring about 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.680 this sort of Q and on utopia. There's a conspiracy 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.119 inside the conspiracy, it's a it's a it's a conspiracy 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.080 to ducan right now exactly. It's sort of a splinter faction, 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.800 and you get this situation where, like the kind of 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.200 the mainline Q and On people will often be like, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.000 oh my god, Like, you know, I believe all this 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.240 Pizza Gate stuff. I believe this about Hillary Clinton, but 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.800 these JFK Junior people are embarrassing us. They just believe 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.400 totally stupid stuff. That's the dynamic you want there, and 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.400 we're like, oh my god, can we just go back 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.200 to serious things like talking about how the Democrats drink 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.080 baby's blood and all this JFK Junior stuff. We're losing credibility. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.800 People were losing credibility. Put your tidfoil heads back on 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.520 and let's march. Yeah. I mean basically they're saying, you know, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.200 these JFK Junior people are almost like a government meant 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.760 to embarrass Q and on. But really this belief has 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:35.080 in JFK Jr has persisted ever since. So so what 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.440 was ours intention in this situation? Like initially that JFK 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.680 Jr one is alive, so perhaps he faked his death. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.480 And two he's aligning himself with Donald Trump. It feels 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.200 like there's four steps there that I'm even a hard 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.599 time connecting why JFK Jr. And let's start with why 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.160 he's alive and why that should matter? Sure, so the 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.479 arc that is presented by R, and I want to 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.720 point out here that R is the letter after Q, 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.680 and so that's sort of the explanation for them, is 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:09.880 it or is it will? Your mainstream elitist alphabet says 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.839 it's the letter after Q. But I have I only 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.000 if you're moving forward through time, But that's a whole 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.960 another podcast exactly. So, So the the sort of the 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.800 story that's laid out is that John F. Kennedy, the 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.360 father is killed by the deep State, you know, in 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.560 nineteen sixty three. JFK Jr. Sees this and says, oh, man, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.640 the Deep State might come for me, and I want 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.160 to get revenge on them for murdering my father. And 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.280 so for years he builds up this relationship with Donald Trump, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.159 you know, because they were both sort of these New 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.080 York socialite figures. There are pictures of them together, and 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.760 so this is used to suggest that they were like 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.520 best buddies. Then in this storyline, JFK Jr. Fax his 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.280 death in this plane crash to sort of go undercover 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.200 and sort of lay the groundwork for the Q and 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.159 On journey and eventually emerge. For a while they thought 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.839 he was going to replace Mike Pence in on the 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.960 ticket and that he would sort of kind of helped 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:02.880 Trump and sort of get this final revenge on the 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.479 Deep State. So in this world they see JFK Jr. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.400 Is faking his own death to exist undercover and wait 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.760 for the right time, still maintaining a relationship with Donald 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.279 Trump throughout all of this, or did or did Donald 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.799 Trump just come about and become sort of an avatar 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.520 for JFK Jr's ascension. Yeah, that that's a great question. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.760 I mean a lot of it is a little contradictory 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.000 and not super thought out. Uh you know that might 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.200 be surprise you right now. But but basically, the the 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.320 idea is that, you know, back in the nineties or 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.040 the eighties, they kind of cut this deal and they said, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.960 Donald Trump said, man, this stuff is really messed up, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120 you know. And then and JFK Jr. Said tell me 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:39.839 about it. You know, they shot my dad, and so 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.160 then they sort of teamed up and JFK Jr. Winning 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.120 to hide it. Tell me about it. They shot my dad. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.080 Oh wow, Yeah, you're right, this is messed up. Let 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.600 me let me run for president a few decades from 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.039 now and make this thing happen. You're helping me connect 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:57.280 that circle. If it's a circle. What I'm confused about. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:02.160 I go out there, JFK. Fame Slee not a Republican 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:06.040 um John F. Kennedy Jr. At least from my perspective, 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.520 New York elite, not political, but somebody who is a 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:16.480 magazine magnate and Seinfeld character uh doesn't exactly match up 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:20.120 as the type of person that this often far right 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.880 group would would align themselves with. What why Why did 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.400 they see this potential in in somebody who's so outside 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.440 of the norm, you know, I think that's a great question. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.280 And what is the emotional residence of JFK Jr. Why 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.840 is why is the JFK Jr they fixate on rather 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.680 than another celebrity who died in the nineties. So the 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.520 I think the answer to it is that when we 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.800 think about the Q and on believer, and I think 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.080 in particularly the people who go for the JFK Junior stuff, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:48.600 they're usually baby boomers, and I think the JFK assassination 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.080 had a huge sort of emotional impact on them. And 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.560 I think also JFK Jr. Was sort of seeing those 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.280 this very like prominent baby boomer um, sort of an 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.080 avatar of his generation, and so that way, I think 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.320 there is this kind of this very emotional connection to 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.600 him in a way that there that there wouldn't be 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.520 with another celebrity. I think also the idea of JFK 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.160 as like the last good Democrat is something that has 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.880 persisted among Republicans even before Q and On this idea 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.560 of kind of this popular martyred president UM and Oh, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.880 isn't it terrible that you know LBJ in the in 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.480 the sixties took being a democrat into such an awful direction. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.800 So I think JFK himself still has a lot of 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.680 residents with Republicans and Q and On believers. So I 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.600 think there's a lot of kind of like emotions tied 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.160 up in all that. When you look back on JFK conspiracies, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.719 does it seem quaint? Does it seems sort of like 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.120 the initial modern conspiracy theory that Americans have sort of 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.959 built a mythos around. I mean, I think obviously we've 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.239 had conspiracy theories throughout American history, but the Kennedy assassination 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.280 is such a sort of an epical one that I 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.760 think gets a lot of people into conspiracy theories, and 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.280 it is certainly, I think the biggest and the richest 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.520 one to dive into in modern history. It also sort 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.400 of brings everything full circle incorporating Kennedy, Q and On. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.160 Is this um it's sort of a super conspiracy theory 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.600 or a mega conspiracy theory that where you can sort 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.320 of get whatever you want out of it, and so 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.600 we see a lot of Kennedy conspiracy theorists drawn into it. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.439 I talked to a guy who was a really big 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.280 Q and On leader, and he had for decades been 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.360 just like a f K crank. I mean, he was 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.559 going to all these conventions stuff like that, and then 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.640 Q and On arrives and he says, oh, you know, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.719 I can sort of incorporate my Kennedy beliefs into Q 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.800 and On and sort of broad in my worldview and 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.320 and see more of the world explained to me in 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.800 that way. Um So I do think that's an aspect 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.280 of it as well. It's it's interesting. I think what 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.720 a lot of people miss is just how fun conspiracies are. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.320 They They are engaging, especially if you're on a computer. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:41.800 One of the most fun things you can do is 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.520 go down that rabbit hole and and also come away 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:46.920 with something that empowers you because you feel like you 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.280 know something somebody else doesn't. I I did a job 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.120 down in Dallas a decade ago, and I was walking 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.040 through the Grassy Knoll multiple times right there there in 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.880 daily plaza, and people would approach you and they would 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.880 tell you things that you should know and shouldn't know, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.040 And so there was it was like a cottage industry 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.839 for conspiracy theorists to give small little tours, take you 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.800 to places that they tell you what what happened and 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.719 what they're not telling you. And it's easy to get 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:17.680 wrapped up in that. And you see the people starting 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.360 to develop um uh you know, not only mindsets out 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.040 of it, but it gives them importance. It gives them 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.280 in some cases a job, but it makes them important 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.320 in that little place. And I start to see that 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.400 pop up at some of these Trump rallies that I 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.000 go to, seeing people who now own part of these 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.360 little conspiracies and they become many celebrities at these rallies 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.440 that we see and looking at this JFK Jr. Coming 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.320 back as part of UH, there's been discussions of his 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.760 reappearance and there's been groups, one group called Negative forty 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:52.600 eight who has staged events waiting for his um return. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.440 Can you tell us a little bit about Negative forty eight? Sure? Yeah, 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.280 So Negative forty eight is a group that is is 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.160 very convinced that JFK, not only JFK Jr, but but 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.320 Kennedy at JFK himself UH and all sorts of sort 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.439 of a bevy of other beloved deceased celebrities are are. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:10.680 It's not that they're gonna come back to life, but 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.000 they've sort of been in in inclusion, they've been in hiding, 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.360 and that they're gonna come back and and sort of 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.000 usher in this Q and on world. The reason they're 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.440 called negative forty eight is because they this is kind 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.000 of hard to explain, dude, to someone who's that really 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.439 deeven it, but essentially they believe in this thing called 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.280 jim Atria where they assign numerical values to letters and 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.880 then they derive meaning from that A equals one, be 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.560 equals too, and so on. But essentially they would say, 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.120 like Jordan Klepper twenty trust the plan twenty uh make 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.800 America great Again twenty five and they just sort of 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.800 speak in this language that doesn't really make sense to 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:49.360 anyone outside of it, but they they see importance in 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.360 these numbers and in these these coincidences, and so from 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.439 there they essentially kind of whipped themselves up into believing 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.120 these things like JFK Jr. Is coming back. I found 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.280 out what Jamatria was real quick. One of the rallies 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.400 I went to when a woman kind of walked me 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.040 through this. She brought out a Gematria calculator and started 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.560 typing in my name, typing in Trump's name, and connecting 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.559 all sorts of numbers. It was it was wild, It 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.800 was real fun. You can kind of make anything makes sense. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.320 They're type it in the calculator. You get these numbers. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.640 And so Michael Jackson's last concert was this is it 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.920 comes to you know what that means? Do you? I 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.080 don't know what that means. So one thirteen means not true. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.319 So Michael Jackson that wasn't his last concert, and he's 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:37.600 a lie. It's not necessarily conspiratorial thing, although it's used 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.200 in that sense. It's correct me if I'm wrong. It's 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.360 essentially a mathematical way of turning letters into numbers, and 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.960 religions have been using this for centuries just to try 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.720 to find and try to derive meeting, trying to look 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.800 deeper into biblical texts and what have you. And I 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.640 thought that was a key component when I talked to 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.480 this woman, because the way she talked about Gematrium, it 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.280 was beyond this conspiracy. It's fun. I have power because 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.960 I have knowledge. It was also I'm serving a biblical character. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.440 There's religion attached to this, and I think that's where 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.840 the real danger comes here, where you have people who 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.560 are serving UH, serving religion and serving God through this fun, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.280 little weird game that they play, and then deciding that 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:23.400 Aaliyah is going to appear alongside Michael Jackson and perhaps 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:29.600 UH and jfk Jr. All at once Obama clarify who's 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:34.560 still alive. J jfk Jr. Still alive. Jfk Jr. Still alive. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.319 So I think jfk Jr. Is gonna try and expose 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.119 globalist because they killed his father. We're talking about Tupac's 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.360 coming back, Robin Williams is coming back Aliyah. As you mentioned, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.480 sort of pick your favorite dead celebrity, and so what 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.640 happened was these folks descended on Dallas where they thought 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.800 there was going to be sort of the dead Celebrities parade, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.760 and they're milling around and they're seeing like a homeless 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.040 guy and they're like, I think that's Robin Williams. And 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.280 then everyone's like, oh, yeah, that's a Robin Williams and 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.000 so on, and a lot of these guys. I mean, look, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.600 I'm not sure. These guys are super up on like 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.679 Tupac for example, and there there's I think that's Tupac. 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.520 You all these guys, I think that's Biggie. Uh And 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.439 and it's sort of this. You can see they're sort 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.439 of going into this world where like nothing bad ever happens. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:18.199 No no one ever dies of a drug overdose or 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.400 a suicide. Um. The other thing I would add is 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.800 that they think a lot of dead celebrities were murdered, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.520 uh or went into hiding, like JFK Jr. Faked their 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.960 deaths because they were gonna blow the lid off the cabal. 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.320 So like the the late dj of Echi, you know, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.960 he faked his death. All these kind of people, uh, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.360 just you know, Whitney Houston. But they're all coming back 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.240 at this big moment. And you can see these people 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.360 who have just particularly this when they were kind of 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.800 million around Dallas for months, just the amount of their 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.240 own lives and their own like hearts that they've invested 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.480 into into it. You know, they're just you know, headed 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.440 for a brick wall when eventually they realized none of 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:55.640 it's happening. It's just predominantly white people who live in 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:59.440 a bubble walking around Dallas thinking they see Tupac everywhere. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.680 I mean, it's really that's to fuck. Do you really 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.880 know who Tupac is? And you think that guy's tu 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.360 fuck and biggie they are. These are diametrically opposed on 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.480 many levels. But I bet you're seeing it as the 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.840 same person who's going into a subway. Well, they would 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.760 do these live streams where they would say, like, didn't 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.240 y'all see that dead rapper? Like they wouldn't know any names, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:21.880 you know, and they kind of have this game and 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.600 telephone to figure it out. I'm not going to be 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.400 a conspiracist or anything like that, but I just watched 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.000 the movie last week with Robin Williams in it. It 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.840 was called Man of Man of the Year. And guess 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.840 what they had election fraud back then? The machines that 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.960 are switching to doing electronically and they were counting wrong. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.800 Because this is a documentary, No, it's just a movie. 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.960 Are there any lessons we can take from Morcan mindy? No, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.280 it should be pointed out they've they pointed to people 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.520 specifically JFK Jr. As there's been a man who's gone 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.400 to multiple rallies stands behind Donald Trump, and that's JFK Jr. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.640 I went to see pack and I saw him there 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.280 as well, and he's taken selfies because he's also JFK Junior. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.040 So some people aren't just abstract apparitions. They are actually 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:09.960 humans that they point to and say, you know, this 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.280 is who you are. Yeah, I'm actually I was just 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.680 texting with him. So, so his name is is Vincent 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.400 Fuska and he is this like Trump super fan. In 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.080 the lead up to in the election, he had this 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.680 van kind of festooned with Trump paraphernalia, and so he 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.000 kind of ends up becoming because he's a big Trump fan. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.080 He's behind him at a lot of rallies when the 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.560 JFK Junior stuff starts happening. And this guy, I should say, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.840 looks nothing like JFK Jr. He dresses, uh, he wears 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.800 like a big fedora. He's very scruffy guy. He wears 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.600 like like a big suit coat. And so, to be clear, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.240 JFK Jr. Was a stylish man, and yeah, it could 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.480 only be assumed that that style mixed with privilege and 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.440 wealth would have led him into the modern era. Not 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.800 choosing to wear a fedora. Yes, yes, thank you. Yeah, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.320 maybe in the nineties, you know, but but now no, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.600 I don't think so. And so yeah, earlier, early swing day, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.040 big big bad voodoo Daddy would have had a fedor up. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.800 There would have been a lot of college kids who 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.920 wanted to look like JFK Junior who could pull off 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.040 a a door off. But modern JFK Jor No, no 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.480 freaking way, no way. And so so he's standing behind 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.919 Trump and when the JFK Junior stuff starts happening, people go, oh, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.760 my gosh, I think that's JFK Jr. Behind Trump. And 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.640 then there was like a blonde woman nearby and they said, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.240 I think that's JFK Junior's wife, and so they I mean, 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.119 they kind of get going. But the wild thing to 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.800 me about it is this guy doesn't come out and say, hey, guys, 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.800 I'm not JFK Junior'll leave me alone. He goes, oh, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.760 who's to say. And so I've seen this guy maybe 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.320 seven or eight times, and he'll be out a rally 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.560 or something and people go, oh, j K Jr. You know, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.560 we want pictures. And then I say to him, Hey, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.159 you want to tell me about how everyone thinks you're 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.560 jfk Jr. Obviously not, and he goes, oh, I'd love 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:45.920 to talk to you later, how about in an hour 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:47.760 let me catch I'm just so busy today, but I'm 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.640 in town. You know you have my number. Let's talk later. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.040 Obviously never gets back to me. I talked to this 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.479 one woman who was like, oh, posing for all these 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.119 selfies with him, and I said, you know that's not 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.720 jfk Jr. Right, And she's like, haven't you ever heard 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.600 of Hollywood? Haven't you heard visual effects? Haven't ever of Medeia. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.040 You know it's you know they I mean, they're really 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.280 deep in Tyler Perry as evidence. It's a it's a 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.560 smart move. And I give Vincent props. I tell you, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.720 if somebody stops me on the street and says, Joel McHale, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.080 I love you in community, I don't correct him. Nope, 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.760 that's let them think that. Let them live their own reality. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.160 As Americans, we have every right to live our own reality. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:28.760 I think it's in the Constitution somewhere somewhere deep. Now, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.359 there's there's a dark side to some of this, because 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.720 I will say what. I talked to the woman who 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.879 was into Jamatrium, and she was a part of this 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.639 Negative forty eight group. They show up in Dallas, they 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.399 wait in Dallas for JFK Jr. To arrive, and then 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.680 they stay there for months and months on and and 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.080 their stories of families who are losing loved ones to 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.080 this conspiracy mindset, and people are sending money to these 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.199 The leader pratsman I believe, Um, Like, what are some 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.800 of the dark sides of believing in these weird fantasies? Yeah, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:01.480 I'm mean, so you know, Q and I have talked 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.200 to so many people who have lost family and friends 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:04.959 to Q NON And when you talk about something as 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.360 extreme as Negative forty eight to sort of that faction, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.640 I mean you're talking about people who have essentially given 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.399 up their lives at this point. I mean, it's like 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.720 they've joined kind of like a traveling commune or something. 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.400 I mean, you know, they're saying in this hotel room 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.440 for months at a time, which is not cheap. They're 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.399 kind of pooling all their funds. At one point, you know, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.719 there were a bunch of like little toddlers, little kids involved, 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.160 which you know, it's not great for them to be 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.639 roaming around looking for tupac or whatever. Um and you know, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.520 I talked to one guy who whose wife had He 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.960 thought he had a you know, totally fine, normal marriage, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.200 and then she just says, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:36.920 to this Trump rally. Well, as it turned out, she 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.080 was going to join negative forty eight and then just vanishes. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.120 And you know it is he's seeing her in these 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.840 videos and stuff, and he's like, what is happening in 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.679 my family? There's no evidence she's ever coming back, you know, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.520