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Speaker 1: Yeah, wrapping up podcast Elliot Willson speed. What's up? Baby? Man?

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Speaker 1: You got me back in New York City? Man tied Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just fresh off the rack, Like you're not from here, man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I was like from Ellie. I was on the

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Speaker 1: Red Eye, Maan, I couldn't sleep, man, you know, saying

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Speaker 1: your first world problems. It was the Red my doult

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Speaker 1: the comfort I wasn't first class. I was on a

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Speaker 1: comfort Man a little bit more legroom, and the gentleman

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Speaker 1: next to me was a little fidgety, so it really

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Speaker 1: couldn't really. Don't you hate like when you're on the

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Speaker 1: plane the person next to you, you just stay still,

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Speaker 1: just stay still your window see gun, I'm our person.

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Speaker 1: But I had a window because I peel a lot. Man.

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Speaker 1: I need to runway clear man. But I had window

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Speaker 1: this time, which I hate because then you got to

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Speaker 1: negotiate with like can you get my golden bathroom and

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Speaker 1: come back? And you know, and then you're white, you

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Speaker 1: know the wife then yeah, she passed me a little

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Speaker 1: sandwiches and stuff, so I get then you get jealous

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Speaker 1: of my sandwich. I pull out my joint. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Pause your old supplies. Man, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I don't eat in the sky lounge. You know they're

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Speaker 1: supposed to, you know're not suppos bring outside food and

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Speaker 1: the sky club breaking the lords out here many man,

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Speaker 1: we gotta do it man. Also fresh off our birthdays? Man, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: happy birthday? Right, even though we said to each other

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Speaker 1: already and socially, yes, that's the thing we have proven,

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Speaker 1: really friends, we have to wish each other birthday because

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Speaker 1: if I don't post it on Twitter, it's like you

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Speaker 1: guys aren't really friends. So yes, happy belated birthday. Yes,

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Speaker 1: how did you celebrate your birthday? It was just really

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Speaker 1: low key? You know, I realized that older you get,

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Speaker 1: you just kind of just keep it regularly. You say

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Speaker 1: it parties. Maybe maybe my forty. If you gonna be

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Speaker 1: forty two years, two years, we turn it out for

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Speaker 1: your forty. I might have to do something to be

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Speaker 1: got at forty. Isn't that crazy? That's insane to me?

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Speaker 1: See thirty eight, Yeah, thirty eight, thirty eight special special?

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Speaker 1: There you go? Is he gonna be on the listen special?

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Speaker 1: I just played in low key too? Man. It was

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Speaker 1: really Californy had a lot of rain. Everybody's going crazy

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't really rain. So me and Dan Yeo,

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Speaker 1: we just went to like this local We got like

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Speaker 1: this ill like restaurant. Literally it's like five minutes from

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Speaker 1: my house, but it's like a five star spots inside

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Speaker 1: of Italian. You know, pasta dinner and get all the cars.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about it because you know they get dessert.

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Speaker 1: Tear it up. You know. I feel I feel who

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Speaker 1: had the line? I feel more comfortable at work. That

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Speaker 1: was a big show we've been working. Man Atlanta episode Man,

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Speaker 1: you know went down there with the JIJI was our

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Speaker 1: last episode. Appreciate the support and that that was a

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Speaker 1: great conversation, conversation and you know, to keep you guys

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Speaker 1: posted because you know, we put up the photos and

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Speaker 1: like the t Z episodes, those episodes are coming. Man,

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Speaker 1: DJ Dramas coming episode Drama. He played as a new album.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's crazy, but it's sounding.

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Speaker 1: It's sounding really good. It's one collaboration and we can't

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Speaker 1: speak on but beat I already pulled out the phone

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Speaker 1: said this MC's verse might make the list end of

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Speaker 1: the year, Like it's one of those Yeah, shout out

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Speaker 1: the DJ Drama shout out the Currency and Jermaine Duprix

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Speaker 1: Currency and j D. We heard some of their music,

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Speaker 1: so that episode, we're trying to time that right with them.

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Speaker 1: So that's the thing. Like a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's January, so a lot of these arts, I'm fully

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Speaker 1: ready to put out the project. Yester. We try to

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Speaker 1: we gotta go get somebody now. Man, So he said,

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Speaker 1: let's take it to New York City. Even though this

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Speaker 1: guy's from Jersey, Yeah, I was born in Brooklyn, so

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Speaker 1: I guess he's still he still counts. It still counts right,

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Speaker 1: we're claiming him. I call him an uncompromised lyrical king.

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Speaker 1: I think I think saying to get an uncompromised lyrical king,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment. That's a good title

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Speaker 1: for this guys. Man. This is Ransom Duff. He's been

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Speaker 1: he's been putting in a work for a long time,

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Speaker 1: He's an uncompromising and lyrical king, as you said, and um,

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Speaker 1: And I mean put him on the list, but went

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a veteran in this game. Man, he's

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Speaker 1: taking me back like I'm in XXL and the A Team.

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Speaker 1: You know, him and Hitchcock, they're like all over those

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Speaker 1: Clue mixtapes. Like so, how will you that the error

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Speaker 1: of Drake Man, how we getting into these apology I

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Speaker 1: flew out here to go to these Apolty to Drake

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Speaker 1: the whole drama that got back together. Um. Yeah. Then

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Speaker 1: macnially is blowing my phone up like you're bad, You're bad,

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Speaker 1: nostalgia part of it. Yeah. Yeah, you had a lyric

421
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: that said your ability to read the room as the

422
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: reason why you never leave the house. You're like naturally introverted. Naturally,

423
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like people like people people confuse.

424
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: But you know, let me kind of backtrack. I don't

425
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 1: like I like good people. You know what I'm saying,

426
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: Good energy and stuff like that, But a lot of

427
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 1: people don't have that. And then as soon as I

428
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: walk in the room, I know, and I'm able to

429
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: locate who's who, who's doing what, who's possibly could do something,

430
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: who possibly can, who's good, who's not. I just feel

431
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: the energy. And that's why that's why I stay in

432
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 1: the house. Because I'm able to read the room so quick.

433
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here. It's very very little that it happen.

434
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: Happens when I walk in the room and it's all good.

435
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: Why would I subject myself to keep going in rooms.

436
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Whereas was that the thing even the beginning when you

437
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: got in the game, like you realize that you want

438
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: to be part of this field. Music industry kind of

439
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: I found out, I don't want to say quickly, but

440
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: it's a different industry. Like I feel like the people

441
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: outside of this industry they know, they they think they

442
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 1: understand that they don't understand. There's very few people. It's

443
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: nothing I don't say, I don't't say anything, but very

444
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: few things in this industry is like sustainable money, popularity.

445
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't leave with those things, you

446
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. A lot of people leave with nothing.

447
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: Come in this game and it's good at you know,

448
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: right a little bit, but it's very very few people

449
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: leave a crap table with all their money. So it's

450
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: like this, that's what this industry is. And I kind

451
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: of picked up on that quickly, like ah, yeah, this

452
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: is not really that's what he said, like you making

453
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: peaceful it because like you can make these projects like

454
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: you said, you stay in Spy and it's not you're

455
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: gonna be running around promoting and marketing it. It's just

456
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: there's the art I love. I love where this ship

457
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: is that I love as an independent artist, How has

458
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: that effective business? Yeah? Of course I could be making

459
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: more money, you know, I could you know, doing certain

460
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: more you know, doing certain things. And but at the age,

461
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: my my advanced age, like, I don't want to do

462
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: that certain those you know, certain things to and I

463
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: mad I make good money. So it's like I'm cool,

464
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm cool, Like I've been doing this a long time.

465
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: I know, just recently I've been getting like I don't

466
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: want to just say just recently, because when I first started,

467
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: it was like yeah, yeah, it was like a big bang,

468
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: and then it fizzled out yea yeah, and you know

469
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 1: clue tapes and it was like, oh ship, you know

470
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I was, I was. I didn't

471
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: even realize how big I was. It wasn't on internet

472
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: like that, you know, it was Internet, but it wasn't

473
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: like social media. I didn't. I didn't realize how big

474
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: I was until I would, and I didn't. I didn't

475
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: go outside a lot. I didn't leave my city. So

476
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 1: when I did leave my city back then, people recognize me,

477
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: what you know, they woke up to me. I'd be like, yo, whoa, yeah,

478
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: I go to New York and other Florida people to

479
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: come up to me. I didn't realize I couldn't because

480
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't on the internet. I wasn't there

481
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: was no social media, so I was big back then.

482
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: But now it's different, Like I could, I could kind

483
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: of see what's going on, Like, all right, I know

484
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: that I'm big here, I'm big and it's kind of growing.

485
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: But to your question, is um to answer a question.

486
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: It does. It does affect the business, But you know,

487
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm good. I'm good like I'm good.

488
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: Whatever comes, whatever it's gonna come to me comes like

489
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at right now. Is that this peace

490
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: of mind, like being, keeping the family structure. That's what matters.

491
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: That's what matters. I don't care about anything else. I

492
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: truly don't like. I don't care. That's all that matters.

493
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: My wife, my kids, how they perceive me, how they

494
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: look at me, how they depend on me. That's that's

495
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: all that matters. I don't care about nothing. Let's go

496
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: back a little bit talk about those origins. Man. He

497
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: started with the A Team. He was in the group

498
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: with Joe Budden, Pitchcock, Um and yourself, Like were were

499
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: you comfortable with during that time being in the group

500
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: or were you just always wanted to be like a

501
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: solo artist? How do my word this is? I'm not

502
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: I was never like a team player, like I'm how's

503
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: the guy on the team, like give me the damn ball,

504
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: like I got this, like just get away from me,

505
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I did what I had

506
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: to do to kind of kind of get where I

507
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: had to go. So and I think we every separate

508
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,479
Speaker 1: part of that, like all right, Hitchcock shout out to Hitchcock,

509
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: Joe shout out to Joe. I think we were all

510
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: like that, especially Joe. I Like I fought with job,

511
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: but I'm about to go. I'm about to go score

512
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: the winning bucket. Yeah. So it's hard to be a

513
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: team when everybody's going out for the gust like we're

514
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: all going for the gusto. So I'm a competitor, man,

515
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: competitor to the end. So it was difficult. It was difficult.

516
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: And you guys came under the whole desert storm Dje

517
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: bro Right. Yeah, yeah, he kind of he galvanized it,

518
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of after kind of was curated

519
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: because me shot, I gotta give a shot at the

520
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: ORLEANSO Warden. Yeah. We we came up with this fucking

521
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: crazy idea. I was just do a group and ship

522
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: and even the name like oh his name a team

523
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: and Joe was like, yeah, I liked that. So we

524
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: approached Joe with that and he was like yeah, I

525
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, let's do that. And that's how that

526
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: that kind of thing came to governance and it took

527
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: off fast. It took off fast. I didn't expect it

528
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: to kind of like the first free style we did.

529
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: It was just was after that, which was that it

530
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: just don't started something. Was the first one, first free style,

531
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: and after that it was like yeah, gang Busters. I'm like,

532
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: oh ship, like you know what I mean. I wasn't

533
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: used to that. So yeah, I started off with a

534
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: spark and then you know, they pump it up. It

535
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: was different. It was different after that. Boy. But now

536
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, looking back, I understanding now, like mann that

537
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: like I'm not you know, I to hit single, you

538
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: know what, I've been remembering the double X and I

539
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: have vinyl and it was it was fifty cents off

540
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: for sale, Like how the hell that was? Like the

541
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: fifty media Like I was like that's why, that's why

542
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: we need a good journalist. Nobody asked these questions. Nobody

543
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: even knows about this type of ship, like I was

544
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: there now, yeah, we we we had we had acquired

545
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: a fifty cent empty fifty cent verse. How we got it.

546
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: We're not even gonna discuss that. Yeah, we thought we was.

547
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: We thought we remember that flexile drop of balls or

548
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: that we said we had a party after that, we said, ship,

549
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: we're about to be rich, and then you know, fifty

550
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: cos put it ended that quick. Okay, I can't remember

551
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: this now, yeah, oh yeah, fat fast. We thought it

552
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: was rich one day the next day, That's how. That's

553
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: pretty much how to my it was like bang bumping

554
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: down boom bam bam, like up and down, up and

555
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: now like fast dead faster. So that was just another

556
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: example of oh ship, we we out of here, like

557
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: flex playing it is out of here the net. The

558
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: very next day, fifty he because he was overseas. I

559
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: believe he came back. He like, what the fund is this? Guns?

560
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: Still I don't know these motherfucker's like and it it

561
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: just yeah, I saw a clip up circling online with

562
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you and Paul Kane you said that fabulous was like

563
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: the blueprint for you. Um come up. He was instrumental, okay,

564
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, and what we was doing because he was.

565
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: He was a great example because he was famous, not famous,

566
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: but he was doing it. He was on. He was

567
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: on like he was on team. You know, we was.

568
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: We was a little intimate group, like you know, we're

569
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: being each other's houses and we'll go out together and

570
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: well speak. So just watching him do it, I've never

571
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: seen anybod I do it up close. So I was

572
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: up close and just watching him do it, I was like, oh, yeah,

573
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: this is this is real. I could I could achieve this,

574
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, So here he was real instrumental in that aspect,

575
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: watching him and how you moved and how you kind

576
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: of you know, just kind of how you moved and

577
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, so I added a lot of a lot

578
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: of stuff that that he did in studios and how

579
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: we approached recording. I like to say every time I

580
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: every time I record with somebody, I steal a little

581
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: something from him. Yea. Throughout the years, like just watching

582
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: people do their thing, I take a little this and

583
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: that's what kind of grew what I do now. So yeah,

584
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: not you maintained independence throughout your career, right, And I'm

585
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: sure deals were presented to you at the time, Like,

586
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: but why did you maintain you know, this independence at first?

587
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, up and down. So you know, like

588
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I said, after the Guns for Sales ship, it was

589
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: up and down. Then it was back up again. We

590
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: had a Little John single and then so it was up,

591
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: back up again. Four around that time we had the

592
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Little John single and then and then we're pressing up

593
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: the vinyls and we're going to do the Deaf Jam deal.

594
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: And and then the next day, like next week, we

595
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: hear the same single and Little Scrapp he's on. I'd

596
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we're pressing it. We had the vinyl

597
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: pressed up already. Oh what I said, what happened? You know,

598
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't privy to the back dealings of what was

599
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: going on and what you know, what was going on

600
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: as far as like Clue and Skin and what they

601
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: were doing. And so, yeah, the Deaf Jam deal, and

602
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: we performed for l A. Reid and all that stuff,

603
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, we're about to sign y'all again.

604
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: Another party, another party, and we goes by be like okay,

605
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of quiet, like like I still with a party,

606
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: like the contracts, let's get this thing going, and then

607
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 1: that that thing just fizzled out. Damn against. I'm like

608
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: after that, it was like I was forced into independence.

609
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: It was forced into because when you first come in,

610
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: you want to deal, you know, and now looking back

611
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: at it, that's how they kind of like warp your

612
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: in your mind you need to deal. You really don't

613
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: need to deal. But at that time, it was like,

614
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I want to deal. That was the prize, a record

615
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: deal with the prize, and that should just escaped me

616
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: early in my career and to the point where I

617
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: was like I want fuck him. Yeah, I was like

618
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: fuck him. Was Orlando still trying to put you for that?

619
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: For you? Yeah? We was. You know, that's been my partner.

620
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm still my partner. That's been my partner

621
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: for years. And you know, the game wars down, man,

622
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: It's just just wars down, man. And then you know,

623
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: it just it gives, it gives. It shows what type

624
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: of people we are though that that we rose and

625
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: we got to these levels of where we are now

626
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: because he went on to put fetdie wappings on all

627
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: these Yeah, but it just goes to show you like

628
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the industry don't know what

629
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: the funk they're doing, because if they did, we would

630
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: have been in position a long time ago. Like I

631
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: could we could tell stories about us trying to get

632
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: bringing people like when NICKI first came on, like what

633
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm seeing him like me and oh and he just

634
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: gives credit to what where his mind at and where

635
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: our minds was at when she first came on and

636
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: we was like and we went to depth gym, like yo,

637
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, I know we gotta deal like where I'm like, oh,

638
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I should probably sign her too. She probably don't know that,

639
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But I'm just telling you,

640
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: like real ship, I ain't gonna tell you the even

641
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: person we talked to very you you know, he was like, no,

642
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: that should have never worked. I should have never worked.

643
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I see him to this down

644
00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: and be like yeah, look at him, Like all right,

645
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I should never work. Okay, but yeah it's just me.

646
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: No one, what's out of jay one? What's not whole?

647
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: Like look at the stories it just happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

648
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: who said like we would say some ship like that,

649
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: like you know. I mean he did get his you know,

650
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: but that something sounds nothing like that. But yeah, no,

651
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: this this industry that really don't there's a lot of

652
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: people in this industry that has no idea what the

653
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: fun they're doing. You know, if you stick around long enough,

654
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you and you know what you're doing, and you stick

655
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: around long enough, you'll you'll make a name for yourself.

656
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: And that's what we're doing now. He said, you've been

657
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: a star, but they're labeling you a journeyman. I'm like

658
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: the old the old basketball player with the busted up knee.

659
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: I said it last day. I said, Man, listen, man,

660
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: just just set a pick for me. Man, I'm a

661
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: nice hard scream man. I'm gonna come up that. I'm

662
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: like Vinnie Johnson. Yeah, like man, I can give you. Yeah,

663
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't come on, I'll give you a

664
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: strong eight team man, quick though, quickly elevations right and look, no,

665
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping too high. I gonna get you good

666
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: fifteen eighteen points where in three minutes. Then I'm back

667
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: on the bench, icing up right for the next game.

668
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: It's just so here. I'm a I'm a grizzle, I'm

669
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: a grizzle veteran man, if I like that on the

670
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: rest for the wicket, like you had lines like that.

671
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: We said to you know, overnight, it took you years

672
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: to be an overnight success. Absolutely so do you feel

673
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: like you still have connect that chip on your shoulder? Absolutely? Yeah.

674
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I'm a fiery motherfucker man. Like I

675
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: want to win at everything at old times, and I

676
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: think that's the only reason I do it. Like, I

677
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: don't want to be famous. I don't want to be

678
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a limelight. I don't

679
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: want people approaching me. I don't want to be outside.

680
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in people's I don't I

681
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: don't want none of that ship. I don't want to praise.

682
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: I just want to be known as the best. But

683
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: doesn't that come with the territory? Though? Man? It does does.

684
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: And that's the conundrum with me. I'm like, man, I'm

685
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: in I picked the wrong perfection the game. Man. So yeah,

686
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I always say I'm not a rapper, man,

687
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm just really good at it. I'm just really fucking

688
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: good at it. I really believe that I could have

689
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: picked anything and been my level of focus. I could

690
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: have did anything and been great at it. I just

691
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: was like, I want to rap. I want to be

692
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: great at it. If I'm gonna do it, I gotta

693
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: be the best. That's how I approached this. You know,

694
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: you see the persistence, like what what kicked off? You know,

695
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: we're go do this pandemic the hard time for everybody.

696
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: But it seems like it just allowed focus and just

697
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: like I used it, that was my ladder. I said,

698
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, y'all, y'all fucked up. I've been going through this.

699
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: My whole life has been this. You know what I'm saying.

700
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: My whole life has been this. I don't go outside anyway.

701
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Your motherfucker's shivering it. Oh we can't go outside. I

702
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: don't go outside anyway. Trying to work now like i've been.

703
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: I've been. I've been struggling my whole my whole life.

704
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, this is nothing. You know, when

705
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: everybody else is panicking, I'm working. But let's say, prior

706
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: to the pandemic, you kind of like fake retired though, right, yeah, yeah,

707
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: I want to say, to see how you do that ship,

708
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Let's take it. Some times it was real. It was

709
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: a real, real retirement retirement. He's still here. No, I know,

710
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: but certain things happened for me to come back. Yeah,

711
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a fake, it was real. I was

712
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: gone West Bird and White, this crazy out of thirty

713
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: eight spech sh He would he would always he had

714
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: hit me like what are you doing? Like, don't he's

715
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: sucking up. I'd be like, what do you mean, Like

716
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm done? He's like no. He was like, you know,

717
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: it's an He's like, it's it's a different way you

718
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: could do it now. It's knew it, Like it's cool

719
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: to be what you used to do. It's cool now

720
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: make money. He was like, Yo, remember how I used

721
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: to wrap the fifty bars and no hooking. People used

722
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: to laugh at you, and but now it's good. I

723
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: said that over the word it's good now. So you

724
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: mean I could just wrap and not do no extra

725
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: crazy show. I don't have to be a catchy hook

726
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: guy or this. He's like, no, you could, you know,

727
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and he could make money off this ship. So I

728
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: gotta credit thirty eight Special for kinda putting a bug

729
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: in my and it's stuck with me. And I was

730
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: kind of doing like behind the scenes stuff. We're on land, oh,

731
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, working with artists and ship not being a studio,

732
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: miserable damn betterness, right, and then kind of curating ship.

733
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's sucked, you know. You know it's like this,

734
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: ain't that? You know what I'm saying that like motherfucker's

735
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: rapping off beat and then they need a studio. I'm

736
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: telling that. But put that ship on beat and scooted

737
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: over and put it on beat, and then mother come

738
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: back like yeoh, what happened to my ship? I said,

739
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: And I put it you know, I put it on beat. No,

740
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: I don't want it on beat. I want it off beat.

741
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: That's what I said. It's time ago. I'm coming back.

742
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: I said, I'm coming back. Motherfucker's want they shoot off beat?

743
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: I said, I'm coming back, making a comeback to the

744
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Starge and I'm gonna bringing it back. Yeah, So that

745
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: that that's kind of like the little backstory what I

746
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 1: was kind of doring. We don't know when I retired,

747
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a fake. I was definitely gone, definitely gone. Yeah.

748
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: The three special Actors, Yeah, I definitely and and shout

749
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: out to like resulting what they kind of was like

750
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I always made it kind of cool and kind of

751
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: like from my eyes to it, Yeah, like you guys

752
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: like you like. And I definitely wanted to get get

753
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: into this. Like when I when I was rapping, I

754
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: was underground. You know, back then, anybody who didn't have

755
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: a deal was underground. Despite your sound, it had no

756
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: sonically like, there was no kind of sound to it.

757
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: It's just like you ain't gotta deal. You underground. Whether

758
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: you're making club regularly, it don't matter. You're on the ground.

759
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: So you know, when kind of Rock gave it a

760
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: sonic a sound like, he gave it like sonically now,

761
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's that's underground. That's what it

762
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: sounds like. Before it wasn't sound because I've been I've

763
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: been rapping over sold loops and I've been doing that

764
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: my whole career. But I also was doing like trying

765
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: to do track records and club records because you know,

766
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to try to get on the ril, trying

767
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: to get deal record deals. But I think that's when

768
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: he when Rock gave it like a and I want

769
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: to you know, to me, to my knowledge, I give

770
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: him the credit sonically. So he put it he put

771
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: it sound to it, and then you know, and then

772
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: rasel to kind of put it put a style to it.

773
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: You know what, it's cool it sound like this, Okay,

774
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, look what we're doing.

775
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: Cool it sound like this when I've seen that that

776
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of and then and then special kind of putting

777
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: the battery in my back. All of that kind of

778
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: galvanized me to be like, oh yeah, let me, let

779
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: me go do this. So I made my return from

780
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: my real retirement. Yeah, it's tricky now because I feel

781
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: like we when we talked to Alchemists always we say

782
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: the undergund stuff and ours is like, no, it's just

783
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the best ship. It's just the best ship. Like he

784
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: just you know, it's hard to how do you view it? Right?

785
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: Like when you make the list, Like, it's hard because then, guys,

786
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: what your your skill setting, what you do is different

787
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: than a lot of mainstream artists, So how do you

788
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: judge realist? Like so you know, I'm I'm a master

789
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: rap and I'm gonna master judging rap two and rap

790
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: has so many different categories and and pockets. So I'm like, yo,

791
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: I might be the knife best rapper, but I'm probably

792
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: number one lyricists, you know. So it's just difference is

793
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: lyricly you could be a dope lyricist and a horrible rapper. People,

794
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: you could be a dope. You could be a horrible

795
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: lyricist and a dope artist. True. So it's like I

796
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: understand certain lists and certain and how you do certain things.

797
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, when it comes to to be

798
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: a top lyricist, you need lyrics, lyrics, you know what

799
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean. It's about what you say, not a vibe.

800
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: Lyricist is not a vibe. It's not about your vibe,

801
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, say that for the best rapper, the hottest rapper,

802
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. So I'm a realist

803
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, like I understand where I'm

804
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: at and where I need, you know, I'm like, I

805
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: don't want to be do you think, like we know

806
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: what's helping? Fifty years in hip hop? However, it's almost

807
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: like you guys are still representing like the foundation the

808
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: purists are for him in that sense of like how

809
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: important is that for you and in your new generation

810
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: after you guys to come off and so to carry

811
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: that forward, it's very important. You don't want to nose

812
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: or a jadea fizzle out, And I don't mean them personally,

813
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: like they're that style. You don't want that to fizzle out.

814
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: So somebody has to kind of carry it torch and

815
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: or even to evolve it, because I think that's what

816
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: we've done too, Like we've we've evolved it. You know

817
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: about Braun and Kobe took Jordan's game and kind of

818
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: evolved it and made it their own. So that's kind

819
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: of what we did with nas Jake, uh Coogi Rap

820
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: Gooes facing these all these people. So we took it

821
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: and we made it off, and someone else has to

822
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: do it, take us, take all what we're doing to

823
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: take it to another level and keep it going. And

824
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: and and that's what with any little sub genre in

825
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: hip hop, like whether you're doing vibe shit or whatever,

826
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to take it and and evolve it,

827
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, it's very important. And um, but

828
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here for a little bit. I'm being

829
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: here for a little bit. I'm gonna be the best

830
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: until I'm here until I'm don't be the best. But

831
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: you would inspire young mc T. What do you think

832
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: that is important to that type of hip hop maintains.

833
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: It's like focus, I mean and say that that type

834
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: of hip hop to me is that's what hip hop

835
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: really is. That's where that's what it starts. Like now,

836
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I know I'm trying to be political. I'm learning but not,

837
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: but to be in all fair and it's like, that's

838
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: where it fucking started, you know what I'm saying with people,

839
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, rapping, rapping, you know what I'm saying, Like

840
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: goes back to the beginning of rap. It didn't start

841
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: with like motherfucker's uh doing fancy dances or ship like

842
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: that started like with DJ right, That's what That's how

843
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: it started, so it should should then like that too, Like,

844
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: but it's always gonna branch out and have different versions

845
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: of different sub genres and this and that, this dude singing,

846
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: this dude's rapping, I like all that ship you know

847
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if you're gonna do it, just

848
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: be creative in that space and try to be the

849
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: best in that space, not just mimic. Like there's a

850
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: lot of mimicking going on in hip hop, and I

851
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: think that kind of that hurts the brand of hip hop,

852
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: like mimicking, Like if you're gonna do. You could do it.

853
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: You could whatever whatever you're doing, be creative and try

854
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: to evolve it and try to you know, make it

855
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: your own. What do you think that is? Like, this

856
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: is like a career for you, This is your life.

857
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of artists want to get that run,

858
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: get the paper and kind of move on to something else.

859
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: And they don't understand. They don't understand business of this

860
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: ship is a business. Took me for twenty years to understand, like,

861
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: all right, this is ship. This ship is a business,

862
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: and I need to treat it as such. So that's

863
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: how I moved. That's why I moved away. I moved.

864
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: And now do I want to educate you know dudes

865
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: coming up like this ship is a business no matter

866
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: what kind of rap you do, this ship is a business,

867
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: and you and you could make a living, a great living,

868
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: you know, doing what you know what we do. Yeah, yeah,

869
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: definitely yea. That lyricy said you came for the DVD era.

870
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: Like DVDs, we can make money like doctors. I mean

871
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: we looked at you, think about it. We looked at

872
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: the neighborhood DVD guy. D D guy was he was

873
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: making money like a doctor. He was really making money

874
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: like a doctor. Motherfucker's driving a nice car and you know,

875
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: the nice clothes and ship. So I use a certain

876
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: imagery to like that to kind of show you where where,

877
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of where I came from. Basically, you even posted

878
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: that question on social media, said what entertainment looked like

879
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: and sound without independence? What would it sound like? You know,

880
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean we're kind of free to do what we

881
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: want to do. We got nobody kind of no A

882
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: and ours and no you know, high executives or corporation.

883
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Remember when you you know, when you signed to a corporation,

884
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: you kinda kind of kind of healed to what you know,

885
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: their brain and what they're trying to represent. YEA, independence

886
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of give you that freedom to kind of, you know,

887
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: speak how you want to speak, make the music you

888
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: want to make, how you want to make it, how

889
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: you want it to sound. So, yeah, what would music

890
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: be without? You're making a lot of music with thirty

891
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: eight Special. You know you mentioned him earlier. You guys

892
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 1: are collaborating all the time, Like what makes him so special?

893
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: And working with him? And how's your relationship blossomed over

894
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: the years? What's what makes it special is he gave

895
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: me that that old feeling back when we was doing

896
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Clue tapes wrapping with Fab Paul Kane and Joe and

897
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: he's like competitive, I got can't sleep. I can't you

898
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna get me if you know what

899
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if I slack a you know, if I

900
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: do another thing, I could, you know, I like to

901
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: liken my ship to like sports, so you know, I

902
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: could take a playoff for a couple of the months.

903
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: But with specials like I gotta I can't let and

904
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: let you know, I gotta keep my guard up, come

905
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: full force every time. And so yeah, he brings that

906
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: feeling back as far as like right in and creating

907
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. You know, it's a brotherhood because

908
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: there's not too many people like him, like nobody, like

909
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: nobody would have nobody reached out to me. It was

910
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: like you need to you know, special man, you gotta

911
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: like who nobody. I don't know too many people in

912
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: this industry that would have did that and and didn't

913
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: want anything in return. Really it's like no, I just

914
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, let's I think you dope man, Like now

915
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: you need to come back out. So we just got it.

916
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: We just gotta He's just like a real person and ship.

917
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: So I love work with working with him and we

918
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: got some we got some ships, some ship coming this year.

919
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: This year. That definitely that feature that you had on

920
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: his project of the Last gas Man. Yeah no, that's man. Look,

921
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: motherfucker's be my ship on your lip. I wanted to

922
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: make that was a goal. I'm like Nick, I said, man, listen,

923
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that fucking listen. That was one of

924
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: my things. I'm like, loost, I'm gonna make this. Not

925
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm a show. Like I'm gonna

926
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: show people don't make this list. So that was a goal,

927
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: not not not with last guys. It was just like,

928
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: it's just a feeling. Man Like when when I heard

929
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: the beat, I'm like, this ship is specially I just

930
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I like to evoke feelings. That's like evoking feelings like

931
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: my evoke a vibe or but you know what I mean,

932
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: it's whatever you you know, want to bring out now.

933
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: I like to bring out that feeling like man, like

934
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: hear what he's saying, Like that's real to me. I

935
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: want to relate to people and in a in a

936
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: in that type of manner, like, Yo, I'm really funk

937
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: with this you hip hop origins start with like Kogi Rapto, right,

938
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: Like that's who you modeled your style after. Yeah, I

939
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: would say that definitely me and and Me and Special

940
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Like a lot of us, a lot of us look

941
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: to g Rap as like the father or founding father

942
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: of our flow and how we go about things, and

943
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: as far as like in the booth and then Pun

944
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, you knowst first as g rap you know

945
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, and then Pun and those guys came

946
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: after that, big Allen people like that. So yeah, Cooji

947
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: rapp is definitely like a forefather. Yeah, that's like the

948
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: ontongres and skill stuff. Now that's that's not not that's

949
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: not not that, that's the multi syllables. Yeah, charges out,

950
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: that's my ship's Ain't nobody doing it like that. They

951
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: don't speak like me, man, And it's crazy. I use

952
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: every when when when Roy said check the boxes and

953
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: I think that made a big deal. People made a

954
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: big deal. What do you mean check the boxes? I

955
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: checked the boxes when I write, you know, it's multi syllables.

956
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: It's on tires. The storylines that make sense, you know

957
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, everything gotta it's everything gotta kind

958
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: of be uniformed for me. I don't know everybody, anybody

959
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: else go about the business, but my ship gotta be.

960
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: That's on your phone, right on my phone, that pen

961
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: and pad. Like I regret putting that away. I should

962
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: have stayed on my back. But yeah, you you brought

963
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: it out on the I'm not that cool. That's for

964
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: cool folks. Man be in his studio like, oh, I

965
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: got it. I'm sitting here, and I was sitting and

966
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: thinking about what the funk I'm talking about this. It's

967
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: up back in the day when you were budded, you know,

968
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: getting so close to the year. Is he to keep

969
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: me the one first kind of push you push you

970
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: to try to make metaphors? Yeah? Yeah, because I was

971
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: talking about real ship. I'm like, my mama died on

972
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: you like that. I'm trying to I was always like that, like, man,

973
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: my grandmother sick. I got going these streets. Not That's

974
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: what I was talking about. And he like, he's like,

975
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: do nobody want to hear that ship? Nobody know you?

976
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: You know you gotta He was like, you gotta, you

977
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: gotta come out with a bang, and I was like, well,

978
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: how do I do that? It's like metaphors, and so

979
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: you gotta kind of you know, I'm sorry, what the

980
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: fund is a metaphor? And he kind of m and

981
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I could do that. I like sports,

982
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: and ship like sports metaphors, and so that that's why

983
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: a lot of my ship was sports at the beginning

984
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: and be in boxing. You know, I used that ship

985
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: at the beginning. That was That's that's what I drew

986
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: from because he would say, you know, you gotta do metaphors.

987
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, yeah, I could do that. That's

988
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: freaking easy. But but then you do that and he

989
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: said he was doing pay music, gonna say he did,

990
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: move right, use use this tricky motherfucker. Joe is a

991
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: smart He's a smart crazy how like you know, obviously

992
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: the draw we have to get too much into that

993
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: because it's like how you guys are so synonymous like

994
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: history books, like yeah, it goes hand and like kind

995
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: of and we always we talked about that like it's

996
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: just it's just just gonna be handed, like he was

997
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: synonymous me and you are names gonna just be exhton

998
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: stone like that. And we accepted I accepted, Like in

999
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the last few fun facts with that I actually learned

1000
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: from the matha joint is that this somewhat berth flat

1001
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: TV and my kins of squass of beef between Yeah,

1002
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: you know that's my that's my cousin. Man's she cousin.

1003
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: Really wow, if people don't know my us is a

1004
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: huge record executive from the Death Jam days in Atlantic

1005
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: rackets for a long time. Yeah. So I just talked

1006
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: to him with family and he was like yeo man, yea.

1007
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: We was hanging out. It was just me and him,

1008
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: he was hanging out and then Joe walked in. What

1009
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: were you guys at is that uhle scantily class? It

1010
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: was a long time ago, long time ago. Yeah. We

1011
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: was at one of them spots, just me and was

1012
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: crazy night. Were just violand and then um Joe walked in.

1013
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: That's how you knew it was because he walked in,

1014
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: So you know exactly what Joe went on and he

1015
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: put us together like y'all niggas you know, just and

1016
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: we talked. That was the first time we talked since

1017
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: so he had caused you know, I credit credit him

1018
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: and you guys are family man, that's crazy. Yeah, But

1019
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: growing up. Man. You you're from born in Brooklyn and

1020
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: you were raised in Jersey City. Seems like, you know,

1021
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: during the research for this interview, had like a tumultuous

1022
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: upbringing though right inauguration. Um the song that you said,

1023
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: like you were five, your mom put you in the

1024
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: group home and how long were you there for? I

1025
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: was there until let's say this, the first time I

1026
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: actually met my mom. It was probably like before like

1027
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: grammar school, like not intent well, I actually like remember

1028
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: meeting her. You know, I was like, okay, so yeah,

1029
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: I was in group homes and stuff like before then.

1030
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't a fault. But at that time, you know,

1031
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: when you're young, you know, I'm just thinking like that

1032
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: she left me, you know what I'm saying, Like, um

1033
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: so now you know, as I got old and became

1034
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: a father, and you know, we talked, you know, I

1035
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: understand her position and the ships. So do your research.

1036
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: I like that I'm probably said you forgave it for

1037
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: being absent. It was that hard having that kind of conversation. No,

1038
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: not really, because I was growing at at this point.

1039
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, I look at life totally different now, like na,

1040
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, I have to forget my mother. Without that,

1041
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been me. So, like I said, that

1042
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: goes all goes back to the chaos. I'm like, I'm

1043
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: I said, I definitely I forgive, Like, don't even worry

1044
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: about that ship. You did what you had to do

1045
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: and you got me to this point. So I gotta

1046
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: credit her. She was strong enough to get me to

1047
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: this point. Where was she from? Were from? What she's from? Trinida? Trinida?

1048
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: Because you said your friends made fun of acts from

1049
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: trinidadad and nobody, none of my friends understood it. She

1050
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: was saying, he made fun of me, but the most

1051
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: dreadful symphony you said he looked outside when you stole

1052
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: the block like my brother absolutely, my brother born rest

1053
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: in peace. Yeah. Now he taught me a lot. He

1054
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: was a rapper. I didn't wrap. Yeah, he was a rapper.

1055
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: And the first time he made me for a level rap,

1056
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I ain't know nothing, but he kind of bullied me

1057
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 1: into rap because I was probably was like a little

1058
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: punk and he was like, what are you doing? Like

1059
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: I think I was listening to Kid and Play or

1060
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: something like turn that shot. Just you know, off Man

1061
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: put this fucking big daddy cane on him. Like Big

1062
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: Daddy Cane and then you know it kind of so

1063
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, I like this ship, like and

1064
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: I turned the kids and play off, and I don't know,

1065
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: disrespect the kid that played I loved some he was like, no,

1066
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: turn that shirt off. Balance, Yeah, definitely, And so yeah

1067
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: he's responsible for kind of like bursting and putting the

1068
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: thought in my head. And that's only to you as

1069
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: probably goes why why I was Why was we even

1070
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: selling drugs? What did you mean? Why were we? Like

1071
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: it didn't even move the needle. That's like, that's what

1072
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm chaling for. It's brilliant. It's gonna record that it's

1073
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: fu brilliant, But you know it didn't why what? What? What?

1074
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: Like having a job was so much easier now I

1075
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: look back in that like but if you look back

1076
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, why would why did I subject myself?

1077
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Well that's it for those couple of dollars. It wasn't

1078
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: even a lot of money. Like I could have worked

1079
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: hard at a job, I could have went to school,

1080
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: I could have did a lot of things. So like

1081
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: that's what I really meant, like why would we be selling?

1082
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 1: And I see you'd be critical like that. Some people

1083
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: come to the game might do the drug dealer rap.

1084
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a cheat code right to get

1085
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: into the game. And like I said, the mimicking man

1086
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: like like that ship is like these guys of characters

1087
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: man like and that's I think that's what separates me

1088
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: from them. I'm not I don't have to my rappers

1089
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: starter kid man, I don't look like, I don't talk

1090
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: like when, I don't move like one. I don't want

1091
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: to be one. Yeah. So these yeah, I hate it.

1092
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: Oh I cocaine and spending the block and it's like,

1093
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: all right, man, like put some you know what I mean, Like,

1094
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: give me some give me, give me some different aspects

1095
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: of how you like you know, I mean, you add

1096
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: some depth to it, you know what I'm saying. And

1097
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: I think, like I said, I'm very aware of what

1098
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: I write and and I'm at the point where I

1099
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: don't want to say the wrong things as far as

1100
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: violence and stuff like that, so I always try to

1101
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: use it creatively. I'm saying something like violence, I use

1102
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: it as entertainment, Like all right, so let me put

1103
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: it in the metaphor instead of say I'm gonna shoot

1104
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: your face off. You know what I mean, like, let

1105
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: me let me creatively. You know what I'm saying. I

1106
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: make your lady pay for these screams how much of Holocaust?

1107
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, yeah, that's creative instead of just

1108
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: saying it's l like blatant violence. So that's that's how

1109
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: right now? Like yo, you know he's are both the

1110
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: violence and the you know, disrespecting women and stuff like that.

1111
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: I know it's a creative thing. I thought the record

1112
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: of toxic level was cre on this project too. I'm

1113
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: talking man, I'm talking. I'm talking man, And I just

1114
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: want to show people like I look like I said.

1115
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 1: I read the comments and I go through the count

1116
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: rank got one flow. I'm like, it's always some you

1117
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: can't please everybody. I'm like, oh, don't matter how fucking

1118
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: well you rapple, how well you dress, how well you

1119
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: do something, it doesn't matter. Somebody's gonna have something didn't

1120
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: say but me, I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna proving wrong.

1121
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: So you know I'll show you. I go right, I

1122
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: could write these flows. I could. And I'm not just

1123
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: rapping fast or flowing. I'm saying ship a lot of

1124
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: mother's just wrapping fast and ship putting words together. That's

1125
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: so easy. You don't understand how easy that is. I'm

1126
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: actually saying something within these words. Just all you gotta

1127
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: do is listen. So, you know, Toxic Love was kind

1128
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: of like when I heard the beat and beat on

1129
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: sent to Be, I was like, yeah, I could flow

1130
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: different on this song. I just don't flow different just

1131
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: to be different. When I hear it right, it takes

1132
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: me there. So I'm like, I got I can't. I

1133
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: gotta wrap like this like this, which song is you

1134
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: most proud of on the album? I would probably say

1135
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: toxic When you say proud of, like, you know, that's

1136
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of loaded questions for me. I don't know which

1137
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: way to take it, Like I'm proud of the whole

1138
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: project as a whole. If it's one song that I

1139
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: could be like, yeah, that's you know. Oh no, I

1140
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: don't even know the titles of this song. The song

1141
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: before Toxic Love, I think it's you Gotta Pulled Up Elliott. Yeah,

1142
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll just listen to your old stuff

1143
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: after you're doing with it. Yeah, I just dismissed the ship,

1144
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: go on to the next. So because you gotta think

1145
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: about I've been listening to it the whole time I've

1146
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: been creating it, and it's just like noise at this point.

1147
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I don't know the tired. I'll

1148
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: just come up with them. And so the song before

1149
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: Toxic Love, Um, that's what I said. I started, like

1150
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: you just glance over scripts and never noticed. That's what

1151
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm That's that's right there, most st symphony most Yeah, like, yeah,

1152
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: I was talking, I was talking so crazy on that

1153
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: it's ability to read, to read the room. Yeah, I

1154
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: was talking so crazy. Yeah, it's I might be like

1155
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: a person a century and we don't do ye. But yeah,

1156
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: I was talking crazy and so I did say that.

1157
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: But I do like a toxic level. You're saying, you're

1158
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: speaking your problem not even said don't care and the

1159
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: Latin it's glad that you got him that. It's very hurtful, man,

1160
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: it's true saying it's not true. Man, Like I'm like

1161
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: I said, I could read a room and I know

1162
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: people so well, Like, why are you discussing your problems

1163
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: with this person? You don't give it was your brother.

1164
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: He might look at me like, man, I don't give

1165
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: a fuck, like in his in his head, like, bro,

1166
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I got my own problems. I don't want to hear yours.

1167
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Like a matter of fact, I'm glad you got him,

1168
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm glad you got

1169
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: Most people are just gonna be glad you got those problems.

1170
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: You had a problem back in like you got went

1171
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 1: to prison gun charged like he did two years. Uh

1172
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: during that time, do you feel like, you know, this

1173
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: rap thing could have been over for you? Yeah? Yeah,

1174
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: definitely no, And I was I was okay with it. Yeah,

1175
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: I was okay. I was like, you know, whatever happens,

1176
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: Like I said that, you know those It wasn't my

1177
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: only time in prison, but it was probably like the

1178
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: time where I was like all right, because I was older,

1179
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: we knew who we were, two more people, right, So

1180
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: it had had more effect on me because it was like,

1181
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: all right, you're you're just sucking up at this point.

1182
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I've done been to prison and been to

1183
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: jail and all these other things, but that time is

1184
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: the time that changed me. But I was like, all right,

1185
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: this is it, this is it. But yeah, I didn't

1186
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: know if I was gonna come home and be And

1187
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: even when I came home and it was. It was

1188
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: tough sledding as far as like creatively, like what am I?

1189
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Like where are we at? And

1190
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: in music, like I said, if you're not signed, your underground,

1191
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't no sound to us. I was just making

1192
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: throwing darts at the wall, what you know, shoot out

1193
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: the wall, hoping it stick. And I didn't know what

1194
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: I was doing, you know, until you know, recently a

1195
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: lot of people know what you're doing. Man like Kevin

1196
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: Durant who you mentioned, Lebron James as I feel having

1197
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: guys like that, you know, tapped into what you're doing,

1198
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: it's a validation kind of, you know, and not that

1199
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: I needed it, but it is validation to be like, yo,

1200
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing, You're on the right path, you know.

1201
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: And even the list, it's like, all right, think about it.

1202
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm the only truly independent artists that's ever been on it. Yeah,

1203
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: be your list. Yeah, Ever, like you've never put a

1204
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: truly independent artists on your listen, So if I'm the

1205
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 1: only one, so I gotta be doing something like don't

1206
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: have marketing dollars or this and that. I don't have anybody,

1207
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: no co sign or famous rappers, saying this is the guy.

1208
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't got none of that big features. It's just

1209
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: all based off skill. So I gotta be one of

1210
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: the most skillful people in the world doing this because

1211
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm garnering attention and that and and and when people

1212
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: show me love like k D and Lebron and it's

1213
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: a validation like all right, you know I'm on the

1214
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: write path. It's on Cable News with Ari Melbourne MSNBC two. Yeah, definitely, Yeah,

1215
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: that's that's I met him. When I was there, I

1216
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: was like, what what the funk am I do? Like

1217
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: shout out are I'm like, what the In my head,

1218
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I don't TV. I'm like I don't

1219
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: do the news, Like, like, what the funk about doing bro?

1220
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: But it was dope. I We're already heavy and ship

1221
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: we are showed massive love. Yeah, it's dope, man, it

1222
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: was dope like that. It's that interview been booked for

1223
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: a while and it got kept and it kind of

1224
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: everything happens the way it's supposed to happen. Yeah, and

1225
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: then you know, and it makes it even cooler. Yeah,

1226
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: so this, you know, that has been and it just

1227
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: so happens that that interview was like a week before

1228
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: this one or I don't like the date. I don't

1229
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: know if y'all to do it, but it was like

1230
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: a week before this one, and it was just like

1231
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: perfect timing. Yeah, and this will be the year where

1232
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: Van pops out every once in a while. I don't

1233
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: know about you put much pressure on me, way too

1234
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: much pressure on me, man. And you're putting way too

1235
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: much pressure on me. I'm not like I M might

1236
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm how do I say this? Man, I'm a fancy

1237
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: nigger now, man, I like to do brunch and ship. Yeah,

1238
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm look man, Yeah, I'm I'm You know, I'm not

1239
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: popping out unless we got a brunch. You could do

1240
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: brunch and early dinner and ship like that. Absolutely. If

1241
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: it ain't that, I don't know. You know, a little

1242
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: you know lounge, you know, champagne and stuff like that.

1243
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've earned it, though I've earned. Some

1244
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: people don't earn their boogeing. This learned my ship. What

1245
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: was the turning point? You think, like a year or

1246
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: so ago when you can accept it your boy, you

1247
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: don't booge is just the start. It's always deep down,

1248
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying even if I was on

1249
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: the street on the block, I would do the boogeists

1250
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: will come out and then they're looking at you. Chuck

1251
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 1: it back in, like why you gotta pinky up sip

1252
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: in the handy, so like I don't worry about that ship.

1253
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: You chuck it back in. Now I can just be

1254
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: freeing and ship and I'm fancy, motherfucking fuck it. That's me, man,

1255
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: sweaters and shoes and ship like that. Thank you. I

1256
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: like sweaters and ship and shoes. He wasn't dressed like

1257
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: that back and now dangerous and I'm a change man.

1258
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: But I always had it in me, you know. I

1259
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: just tucked it away now like you know, I'm not

1260
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: going to be out like that. Yeah, hell yeah, man,

1261
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm just cruising right now. More peace of mind. Hell yeah,

1262
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm barely an American system. I'm about to like I'm

1263
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: living different. I don't even tell you, you know, out

1264
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: the country and ship like I got places while you know,

1265
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be living yeah, like full time. And

1266
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: I just probably come to America just to like do

1267
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: little things and ship. I just want to I just

1268
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: want to live at this point. I just want to

1269
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: live at this point, like no more chaos, no more chaos,

1270
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: just more more living, you know. So that's why I'm

1271
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: want music. I get which projects to you, tse man.

1272
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: How many hours we getting, man? How many? Now that's

1273
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: not that that's that's a great question. How many that

1274
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: actually come out? That's that remains to be seen. But

1275
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: I can tell you that we gotta got a special

1276
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: problem me and special Katie already has that. Yeah, he's

1277
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: curating it like aesthetic selective proposal too. That could that

1278
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 1: could happen, Like that could happen, Like no, we did that.

1279
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: We did the first one in two days. So yeah,

1280
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: that's that's like rap is easy for me. Like I've

1281
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: made it to the point where it's easy for me.

1282
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: You know, I got everything is accessible to me. I

1283
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: record myself, I mixed myself. I'm asking myself. Yeah, I

1284
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,919
Speaker 1: don't I don't outsource, not not just do everything because

1285
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: it's easier, Like I don't like to it with people,

1286
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: so I just do everything myself. So I've made everything

1287
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: easy for me. So wrap is easy, you know what

1288
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean? Rap is easy. So I could give you three,

1289
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: four or five albums if I wanted to a year.

1290
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: But now I just want to I want to kind

1291
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: of concentrate on the releases and how they get released

1292
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: and making sure they get the proper light on them

1293
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because I got I think I

1294
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: got some really important stuff on these next upcoming albums

1295
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: that I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, Like I always,

1296
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: I want to change the I don't want to talk

1297
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: about the same ship on that. Yeahum, so I want

1298
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: to give you all different perspectives and how I look

1299
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: at certains. So yeah, that's that's what's coming this year. Yeah,

1300
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: like that. We also caught you on the two K

1301
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: Dreamer edition, uh with from Streets on rooftop sermons. Was

1302
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: that like curated by Jake Cole or was Ye tapped

1303
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: in as well? Yeah? Definitely. I mean, you know, it's

1304
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: cool to be tapped in. I'm trying to I'm trying

1305
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: to wrap, I'm trying to get him on the joint.

1306
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to dominate too, Like I'm

1307
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: trying to I'm trying to spank him on to record.

1308
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: Let's just put that out there. Whoever, though, Like I'm

1309
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: trying to get the big dogs on records, and so

1310
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 1: they so you know my intentions. I'm coming and tell

1311
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: your fucking head off, like that's what that's any Yeah,

1312
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: but him to anybody though, But I definitely appreciate that.

1313
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, he's tapped in and he picked that joint

1314
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: one of my favorite joints also, and so you're not

1315
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: that's dope that he did that, and I respect that.

1316
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: It was cool to see you, um a couple of

1317
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: years ago on the Rush project Chomp Too, and you

1318
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: guys collaborated on that sank them. Have you heard that us?

1319
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: And he can focus. I said that back to him

1320
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: like look he said, and right back to him like, oh,

1321
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, listen to it too. People are scared

1322
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: to reach out to you. Yeah, because I'm coming to kill. Yeah. Yeah,

1323
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to say no names. They know who

1324
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: they are. I too. Behind the scene, he's like a

1325
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: couple of them chaos right, Like a lot of them

1326
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: were supposed to have features on them. But like that,

1327
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: you'd be like, why this goal we got one verse?

1328
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: Because I just put it out like this, like I'm like,

1329
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: fucking she's scared of I'm coming. I'm comfortable blood, I'm

1330
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: coming for blood. Like then they like, oh, here this

1331
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: dude like he's like he's coming for blood. But I leave.

1332
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: I put my verse on this, so I'm like, beat it.

1333
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: You knowint you beat this? If you can beat this,

1334
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: you are You're fucking phenomenal. So that's how I send

1335
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: these records out. I get crickets back. Damn Well, hopefully

1336
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: somebody step up to the somebody, somebody step up, someone

1337
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: of y'all. I need. I need the big dogs. I

1338
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: need the colds Kendricks, Naas. I want them type of

1339
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: dude ross. I want the big dogs. You see what's

1340
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and you ain't'll be able to walk into

1341
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: the supermarket anymore that I can't do that I need.

1342
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: I need to walk into the six super So I

1343
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: don't like, I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't want

1344
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: that type of see you scared me. I don't want

1345
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: to features I don't want to. Honestly, I would love

1346
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: to see you on a on a bigger plane, you

1347
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because I feel like it's just

1348
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: gonna create more attention and awareness to what you're doing.

1349
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's happened, I guess. I mean, like

1350
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, I appreciate I appreciate, you know, people like

1351
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: y'all and just shining shining light on what I'm doing.

1352
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I said this other day, I said,

1353
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: I told hate the name drop. But me and Katie

1354
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: was talking last night and I'm like, I'm on my

1355
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: last leg man, Like I said, my knee busted. I'm like,

1356
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: I got a good eighteen and three minute I could

1357
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: get that and then I'm out, like you know what

1358
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm like, uh, I'm forty four, man,

1359
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: I know, I don't look it. I know I'm very

1360
01:10:51,840 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: dapping depen in sweaters sweaters and I'm gonna booe. I'm like,

1361
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to believe, but I'm I'm I'll

1362
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: keep my ring on. But yeah, no, I'm definitely. I

1363
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: don't want to put a time limit on it. But

1364
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: it's it's Twilight, Twilight, It's coming. I want to get

1365
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: into other things too, So I just wanted to. I

1366
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: kinda want to just prove a point. That's why I

1367
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: came back like I'm gonna I'd improved my point yet

1368
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: I don't prove that, and I'm one of the best ever.

1369
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: Is basically like really building your legacy to the point.

1370
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: Now when we grew up, were thinking wrap its fall

1371
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: off by the time to get to the age, like

1372
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: it's over for them, Like you're you're literally building a legacy.

1373
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: Only we do that. Only only rap does that every

1374
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: other genre like rock and roll, and you don't matter

1375
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: what age you are, you come back and have a

1376
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: whole another career. And see what Tina Turner was like

1377
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: seventy when she came back up and kind of she

1378
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: wasn't seventy, right, yeah, she came back and explode it.

1379
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: So it's like only we do that. He did that, Dude,

1380
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 1: he forty. Man, he's done. He's done. Like now the

1381
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: music should dictate it if you're done or not. You

1382
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that my ships that I still

1383
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: could do it. You know, it's just just not a

1384
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: physical sport. You know what I'm saying. I could. You know,

1385
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: as long as you keep if you keep at it,

1386
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get better. Like people, how you got better?

1387
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: Well I kept writing, you know what I'm saying, like practicing,

1388
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: like I kept at it, Like that's how I got better.

1389
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: If you like the older rabbers who don't kind of

1390
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: regress or digress, they probably not sharpening up with the regularity,

1391
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: right because they don't have to. It's like whatever, yeah,

1392
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 1: I do this whatever. So me, I always I never

1393
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: had this shot, so I kept having to right at

1394
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: my best, at my peak every time, every time. So

1395
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: it's just sharpened me to the point where I'm at now,

1396
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: the best, the best, the best. Don't catch some shows

1397
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: this year too, Yeah, playing my you know, I played

1398
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: the tour like I want to. I want to do

1399
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: like a big tour, perform like to kind of usher

1400
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: me out, you know what I mean, Like, all right,

1401
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: this guy's on his last leg. I'm limping out on

1402
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: the stage and you know about right now, I don't know,

1403
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, I want to give him like a big some.

1404
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: I want to go out with a fucking bang, like

1405
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: a splash tour, fucking fifty city whatever or whatever the case.

1406
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: It's something huge overseas. Yeah, so definitely, I'm definitely that's

1407
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: even works. Definitely. What are like three essential songs do

1408
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: you think in your catalog that you definitely want to

1409
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: perform live and you feel like your fans want I

1410
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: really for me, I know personally, I would personally, I

1411
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: would say one of my favorites is J d's things

1412
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: probably like man like that the lyrics on that ship

1413
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: and how it came across and one of our favorite

1414
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: joints that I've done after that. You know, I don't know,

1415
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: but definitely a lot of stuff off the recent project

1416
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: that ship, because I think that that won't kind of

1417
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: hit home and ship. You know, people are prisoner of

1418
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: the moment. It was like, oh, yeah, that's your best

1419
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: ship until I come out with something else that's your

1420
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: best ship. So you know, if you know, show with

1421
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: a rib or tore with a ribb, I would kind

1422
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: of do what's best off the last project or what

1423
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: the people last hurt? Get that lone wolf on stage. Man, Man,

1424
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: it might get us confused, like which one is. Definitely

1425
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: gonna put that work in and get on the list

1426
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: again this year. Beat out, go back to back, you

1427
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: know what. You know, I'm I'm gonna put this out there. Man,

1428
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: I already made the list now, I'm like I just

1429
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: said this. I Man, I made the Listen, I don't

1430
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: need to do it again. Listen. I'm gonna yeah the

1431
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: front and Ransom last ship. Man. You know, I think

1432
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people look at me it's like, oh,

1433
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: you're a mainstream guy. But I'm trying to, you know,

1434
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: diversify my listening. So I listened to the underground, the

1435
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: overground and everything in between. I felt like you had

1436
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: a really good tapped it off of chaos is my lad?

1437
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: So how to give you problems for that? I appreciate it.

1438
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: And it's crazy how that your list don't matter until

1439
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm olding That's how I looked at it, Like I

1440
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: was risen not on this list? How was rising on it?

1441
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: As soon as I'm on the list, that don't. Man,

1442
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I don't matter, right, crazy man, y'are

1443
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: fought and almost you know, torch, al right, beat, I

1444
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: supposed to be on list that ship don't matter? Ran,

1445
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you? Keven? Car? And

1446
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, I care, motherfunker, I care about anybody's listen.

1447
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: I want to be on everybody's list, Like I don't

1448
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: give a funk who you are. So that's just me. Well, yeah,

1449
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate, you know, just acknowledging, not for sure what

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Speaker 1: I've done. Yeah, that's as he said. You always hit

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Speaker 1: the point home. You're the very artist that really is

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Speaker 1: I understand I'm not in it for that. Like, I

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what kind of I want to say.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about And I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: that's my goal. That's my goal. So when you hear me,

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Speaker 1: you're going here, that's what you hear. That's what That's

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