1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,715 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I 2 00:00:21,795 --> 00:00:26,915 Speaker 1: guess after the verdict, the only possible conclusion is Donald 3 00:00:26,955 --> 00:00:30,755 Speaker 1: Trump is a witch, since the jury came back and 4 00:00:30,795 --> 00:00:34,155 Speaker 1: found Trump liable for sexual abuse and awarded the plaintiff 5 00:00:34,235 --> 00:00:37,795 Speaker 1: five million dollars for that end defamation. I keep thinking 6 00:00:37,835 --> 00:00:43,755 Speaker 1: about e Jeene Carroll's television career. Even if you knew 7 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:47,075 Speaker 1: who she was before her testimony led a court to 8 00:00:47,195 --> 00:00:51,395 Speaker 1: declare Trump guilty of sexual abuse and defamation, you probably 9 00:00:51,475 --> 00:00:56,115 Speaker 1: didn't know about her television career. For two years, she 10 00:00:56,275 --> 00:01:03,515 Speaker 1: hosted an advice show called Ask e Jan Maybe the 11 00:01:03,555 --> 00:01:06,795 Speaker 1: worst television show oh I have ever seen, although she 12 00:01:06,995 --> 00:01:09,835 Speaker 1: was good on it, but she took phone calls for 13 00:01:09,995 --> 00:01:14,395 Speaker 1: like two hours as a camera followed her wandering around 14 00:01:14,475 --> 00:01:18,035 Speaker 1: a set that looked like somebody's living room from nineteen 15 00:01:18,115 --> 00:01:22,955 Speaker 1: eighty two. In and of itself, the show was unimportant. 16 00:01:22,995 --> 00:01:26,435 Speaker 1: I discovered it by accident. It was on channel I 17 00:01:26,435 --> 00:01:29,395 Speaker 1: don't know, twenty eight million, thirty two on my parents' 18 00:01:29,475 --> 00:01:34,075 Speaker 1: cable system. But nearly three decades later, which network it 19 00:01:34,235 --> 00:01:39,995 Speaker 1: was on matters It was called America's Talking An NBC 20 00:01:40,075 --> 00:01:44,235 Speaker 1: launched America's Talking Network on July fourth, nineteen ninety four, 21 00:01:44,475 --> 00:01:47,875 Speaker 1: and it lasted exactly two years and eleven days before 22 00:01:47,915 --> 00:01:52,755 Speaker 1: they pulled the plug. Talk shows, nothing but talk shows. 23 00:01:53,915 --> 00:01:56,915 Speaker 1: It had shows with Steve Doocy and with John Gibson, 24 00:01:57,075 --> 00:01:59,995 Speaker 1: and with Chris Matthews and with Egene Carroll, and a 25 00:02:00,075 --> 00:02:03,835 Speaker 1: talk show hosted by the president of America's Talking and 26 00:02:03,955 --> 00:02:07,755 Speaker 1: its sister new work CNBC. It was hosted by the 27 00:02:07,835 --> 00:02:11,395 Speaker 1: least photogenic person in the history of television, the president 28 00:02:11,515 --> 00:02:19,795 Speaker 1: of the network, Roger Ales, Roger Ales, sexual assailant. Ran 29 00:02:19,875 --> 00:02:23,755 Speaker 1: that network, ran it into the ground, and hosted a 30 00:02:23,875 --> 00:02:27,675 Speaker 1: terrible show, and when it all finally crashed, he got 31 00:02:27,675 --> 00:02:30,515 Speaker 1: fired by NBC and then went over to Rupert Murdoch 32 00:02:30,755 --> 00:02:34,475 Speaker 1: to start that endless televised fascist rally that is Fox, 33 00:02:34,795 --> 00:02:38,195 Speaker 1: taking that Doucey guy with him. And when America's Talking 34 00:02:38,435 --> 00:02:41,915 Speaker 1: shut up finally on July fifteenth, nineteen ninety six, the 35 00:02:41,955 --> 00:02:45,275 Speaker 1: next thing the handful of people who were watching saw 36 00:02:45,315 --> 00:02:52,115 Speaker 1: on that channel was the debut of MSNBC. MSNBC replaced 37 00:02:52,195 --> 00:02:57,475 Speaker 1: America's Talking on America's cable systems. I mean, e Gene 38 00:02:57,595 --> 00:03:02,035 Speaker 1: Carroll was at the nexus of the birth of cable news. 39 00:03:02,755 --> 00:03:06,075 Speaker 1: And then vanished entirely from it. And now she is 40 00:03:06,235 --> 00:03:09,515 Speaker 1: at the nexus of our privilege of getting to call 41 00:03:09,635 --> 00:03:13,515 Speaker 1: Donald Trump a sexual abuser, and what goes up must 42 00:03:13,515 --> 00:03:16,115 Speaker 1: come down, Spin and wheel got to go round. The 43 00:03:16,235 --> 00:03:21,275 Speaker 1: sexual abuser is live on cable news tonight because CNN 44 00:03:21,555 --> 00:03:23,835 Speaker 1: is run by the nincome poop who when we were 45 00:03:23,875 --> 00:03:28,635 Speaker 1: at MSNBC together formerly America's talking with Egen Carroll, we 46 00:03:29,155 --> 00:03:37,475 Speaker 1: thought eight paste Trump. The CNN star, of course, responded 47 00:03:37,515 --> 00:03:40,995 Speaker 1: by saying he does not know Egene Carroll, which may 48 00:03:40,995 --> 00:03:44,595 Speaker 1: be as much of a confession as that videotaped deposition 49 00:03:44,675 --> 00:03:49,155 Speaker 1: in which he metaphorically hanged himself. Assume he's not lying 50 00:03:49,515 --> 00:03:53,035 Speaker 1: just on this one thing, this one time, and assume 51 00:03:53,115 --> 00:03:56,955 Speaker 1: the jury got it right. That would mean he assaulted 52 00:03:56,995 --> 00:04:01,275 Speaker 1: her without knowing who she was. And that is the 53 00:04:01,275 --> 00:04:06,955 Speaker 1: most Trump thing I have heard in months. But oddly 54 00:04:07,035 --> 00:04:09,435 Speaker 1: it may not be the worst thing said on his behalf. 55 00:04:09,515 --> 00:04:12,755 Speaker 1: Just yesterday, a fundraising email pitch that has nothing to 56 00:04:12,795 --> 00:04:15,115 Speaker 1: do with the Carrol verdict, nor the Georgia case, nor 57 00:04:15,155 --> 00:04:17,715 Speaker 1: the New York case, nor the Jack Smith fraud case, 58 00:04:17,795 --> 00:04:20,395 Speaker 1: nor the Jack Smith destruction of evidence case, nor the 59 00:04:20,475 --> 00:04:25,155 Speaker 1: Jack Smith insurrection. Case quote, George Soros and his globalist 60 00:04:25,235 --> 00:04:29,915 Speaker 1: cabal are attempting to buy out the media, control the media, 61 00:04:29,995 --> 00:04:35,955 Speaker 1: and guarantee Biden whatever coverage he desires, etc. How many 62 00:04:35,995 --> 00:04:39,555 Speaker 1: anti semitic tropes can Trump work into one sentence, sorrows 63 00:04:39,715 --> 00:04:45,315 Speaker 1: globalist media? Obviously it underscores what is so frequently glossed over. 64 00:04:46,075 --> 00:04:51,635 Speaker 1: Trump is an anti Semite, always has been. Second talk 65 00:04:51,635 --> 00:04:56,715 Speaker 1: about exaggerations. Do you know what the sorrows buyout attempt? 66 00:04:56,715 --> 00:05:00,195 Speaker 1: Here is sorrows attempts to buy out the media. Know 67 00:05:00,235 --> 00:05:05,195 Speaker 1: what they're talking about. It's him bidding to buy Vice 68 00:05:05,515 --> 00:05:11,155 Speaker 1: Media out of a bankruptcy court. If anybody can control 69 00:05:11,475 --> 00:05:17,635 Speaker 1: world events by buying Vice Media, they share as hell 70 00:05:17,715 --> 00:05:25,995 Speaker 1: kept it a secret from the guys who ran Vice Media. 71 00:05:26,275 --> 00:05:30,155 Speaker 1: Then there is George Santos, or, more correctly, the question, 72 00:05:30,315 --> 00:05:34,875 Speaker 1: which of two thousand different things the Feds have managed 73 00:05:34,875 --> 00:05:38,955 Speaker 1: to indict congressmen. If that is his real title, George, 74 00:05:39,355 --> 00:05:42,315 Speaker 1: if that is his real name, Santos, If that is 75 00:05:42,355 --> 00:05:45,675 Speaker 1: his real name of New York, if that is his 76 00:05:45,755 --> 00:05:52,755 Speaker 1: real address. Every news organization except Vice Media has reported 77 00:05:52,795 --> 00:05:55,475 Speaker 1: that Santos has been indicted on federal charges, and he 78 00:05:55,515 --> 00:05:57,675 Speaker 1: may be in Court in New York as early as 79 00:05:57,715 --> 00:06:02,115 Speaker 1: today Wednesday, but the charges were under seal, so nobody 80 00:06:02,195 --> 00:06:07,995 Speaker 1: knew exactly what they were accept Maybe an actual New 81 00:06:08,075 --> 00:06:12,355 Speaker 1: York Congressman Dan Goldman, I have seen this nowhere else 82 00:06:12,635 --> 00:06:16,395 Speaker 1: but from a Fox reporter and a Fox producer. Representative. 83 00:06:16,395 --> 00:06:20,235 Speaker 1: Goldman tweeted about the Santos charges, but in his tweet 84 00:06:20,275 --> 00:06:24,275 Speaker 1: he did not include this money quote. They quote him 85 00:06:24,275 --> 00:06:28,315 Speaker 1: as saying, it is completely absurd for him Santos to 86 00:06:28,355 --> 00:06:30,715 Speaker 1: be a member of Congress and walk the halls of 87 00:06:30,755 --> 00:06:37,235 Speaker 1: Congress while being charged with a crime of committing election fraud. 88 00:06:38,795 --> 00:06:42,515 Speaker 1: Goldman may have been misquoted, may have been speculating, may 89 00:06:42,595 --> 00:06:45,395 Speaker 1: know something, may simply be making the obvious guests. I mean, 90 00:06:45,435 --> 00:06:47,875 Speaker 1: the only thing we know is true about George Santos 91 00:06:47,995 --> 00:06:50,235 Speaker 1: is that he devoted the years twenty twenty one and 92 00:06:50,275 --> 00:06:55,115 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to committing election fraud every day, everywhere 93 00:06:55,155 --> 00:07:00,635 Speaker 1: he went. Plus Congressional staffer Aaron Fritchner says he saw 94 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:05,875 Speaker 1: four Capitol police go in and out of Santos's congressional office, 95 00:07:07,355 --> 00:07:09,675 Speaker 1: and CNN saw Santos go in and out of Kevin 96 00:07:09,715 --> 00:07:14,155 Speaker 1: McCarthy's office, and then the Capitol police said they went 97 00:07:14,195 --> 00:07:18,955 Speaker 1: into Santos's office out of an abundance of caution. How 98 00:07:18,995 --> 00:07:23,115 Speaker 1: I hate that phrase. An abundance of caution. They went 99 00:07:23,155 --> 00:07:25,995 Speaker 1: into his office, what sounds like they were worried that 100 00:07:26,075 --> 00:07:29,995 Speaker 1: Santos had seen the nineteen sixties movie Advise and Consent 101 00:07:30,475 --> 00:07:34,235 Speaker 1: and had hurt himself. I mean, seriously, why else would 102 00:07:34,235 --> 00:07:37,195 Speaker 1: they go in to check on conditions there? They said 103 00:07:37,195 --> 00:07:41,435 Speaker 1: they found nobody there an abundance of caution. What did 104 00:07:41,475 --> 00:07:43,675 Speaker 1: they think he'd stolen all the furniture on the way out? 105 00:07:45,475 --> 00:07:50,075 Speaker 1: Well maybe, CNN reported Santos skipped town and headed back 106 00:07:50,155 --> 00:07:54,235 Speaker 1: to New York and it all sounds like Raymond Burr 107 00:07:54,355 --> 00:07:58,195 Speaker 1: and William Talman and Ray Collins starring in the Case 108 00:07:58,515 --> 00:08:24,475 Speaker 1: of the Invisible Indictment. Thank you, Nazi Faust. This might 109 00:08:24,515 --> 00:08:27,155 Speaker 1: not be it for Santos. Nothing says he would have 110 00:08:27,235 --> 00:08:31,275 Speaker 1: to resign if indicted, even if indicted for election fraud. 111 00:08:31,915 --> 00:08:34,555 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy said again that nothing but a conviction or 112 00:08:34,555 --> 00:08:38,275 Speaker 1: a guilty plea would make him call for Santos to resign, 113 00:08:38,915 --> 00:08:42,675 Speaker 1: of course not. He needs Santos's vote in whatever is 114 00:08:42,715 --> 00:08:47,235 Speaker 1: to come on the debt ceiling. And again that meeting 115 00:08:47,315 --> 00:08:50,635 Speaker 1: at the White House yesterday produced no news except one snippet, 116 00:08:50,715 --> 00:08:53,755 Speaker 1: which I have kept pounding here ever since I first 117 00:08:53,795 --> 00:08:57,955 Speaker 1: heard the administration was considering. Relying on that little snippet, 118 00:08:58,555 --> 00:09:02,515 Speaker 1: the President said simply, I have been considering the fourteenth Amendment. 119 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:06,515 Speaker 1: He acknowledged that that would have to be litigated, and 120 00:09:06,555 --> 00:09:08,635 Speaker 1: if there were still no extension, the move to avoid 121 00:09:08,675 --> 00:09:11,755 Speaker 1: the debt default would require a lawsuit, during which there 122 00:09:11,795 --> 00:09:16,395 Speaker 1: could be a different debt default. To refresh you on this, though, 123 00:09:16,915 --> 00:09:20,795 Speaker 1: Biden means the part of the Fourteenth Amendment dating to 124 00:09:20,835 --> 00:09:25,195 Speaker 1: the Civil War, which reads, with I think astonishing clarity quote, 125 00:09:25,355 --> 00:09:28,675 Speaker 1: the validity of the public debt of the United States, 126 00:09:28,835 --> 00:09:33,235 Speaker 1: authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions 127 00:09:33,515 --> 00:09:38,635 Speaker 1: and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall 128 00:09:39,075 --> 00:09:45,155 Speaker 1: not be questioned. There are lots of constitutional scholars who 129 00:09:45,195 --> 00:09:47,795 Speaker 1: say that a president faced with imminent default on the 130 00:09:47,875 --> 00:09:52,235 Speaker 1: national debt would not only be allowed to pay it anyway, 131 00:09:52,795 --> 00:09:56,115 Speaker 1: borrowing the money from wherever necessary, but would in fact 132 00:09:56,195 --> 00:10:01,795 Speaker 1: be constitutionally required to pay it anyway under the Fourteenth Amendment. 133 00:10:03,475 --> 00:10:07,275 Speaker 1: I am not a conc institutional scholar. It reads pretty 134 00:10:07,275 --> 00:10:11,995 Speaker 1: clear to me, so what. But more importantly, you may 135 00:10:11,995 --> 00:10:14,995 Speaker 1: have noticed that the White House has been at amantine 136 00:10:15,475 --> 00:10:20,395 Speaker 1: throughout this whole Republican hostage drama. No negotiations, no cuts, 137 00:10:20,395 --> 00:10:23,235 Speaker 1: no trial balloons, just you guys, do your job and 138 00:10:23,395 --> 00:10:27,595 Speaker 1: raise the debt limit. Why would they be that strident 139 00:10:27,675 --> 00:10:31,075 Speaker 1: if they didn't think they had an unanswerable card to 140 00:10:31,155 --> 00:10:36,515 Speaker 1: play like that literalist interpretation of the fourteenth Amendment, even 141 00:10:36,555 --> 00:10:39,195 Speaker 1: with the acknowledgment that the courts would still have to decide. 142 00:10:39,235 --> 00:10:42,595 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like the President is hinting he'll 143 00:10:42,635 --> 00:10:47,075 Speaker 1: give the Republicans some minor budget cutbacks in exchange for 144 00:10:47,235 --> 00:10:51,475 Speaker 1: a temporary extension during which they'd ask the courts to 145 00:10:51,635 --> 00:10:56,675 Speaker 1: rule on whether the fourteenth Amendment means what it sounds 146 00:10:56,835 --> 00:11:05,515 Speaker 1: like it means. Quick follow up from texts. Despite the 147 00:11:05,555 --> 00:11:08,795 Speaker 1: flood of dense information on the world's new primary source 148 00:11:08,875 --> 00:11:13,675 Speaker 1: for disinformation, Twitter, investigators of the mass shooting in Allen, 149 00:11:13,755 --> 00:11:18,235 Speaker 1: Texas have confirmed now that Mauricio Garcia subscribed to neo 150 00:11:18,315 --> 00:11:23,715 Speaker 1: Nazi ideology and had Nazi patches and had Nazi tattoos, 151 00:11:24,435 --> 00:11:28,115 Speaker 1: to which that super genius Elon Musk demanded to know, 152 00:11:28,955 --> 00:11:32,155 Speaker 1: how do we know that was actually his social media account. 153 00:11:32,475 --> 00:11:35,075 Speaker 1: Seems very odd he would have a Russian social media 154 00:11:35,075 --> 00:11:40,395 Speaker 1: account when he doesn't speak Russian. What adult Musk is 155 00:11:41,715 --> 00:11:46,275 Speaker 1: as the investigator from the great group Bellingcat noted posts, 156 00:11:46,315 --> 00:11:51,315 Speaker 1: identification cards, guns, body armor, a speeding ticket with his name, 157 00:11:51,795 --> 00:11:55,195 Speaker 1: hours of video of him at shooting ranges at his apartment, 158 00:11:55,635 --> 00:11:59,715 Speaker 1: photos of his tattoos seen on the shooter's body, a 159 00:11:59,755 --> 00:12:02,355 Speaker 1: map of the mall three weeks before he shot it up, 160 00:12:02,555 --> 00:12:06,795 Speaker 1: and a final message unquote, but Musk wants you to 161 00:12:06,835 --> 00:12:09,955 Speaker 1: believe it's the deep state, and the deep state is 162 00:12:09,995 --> 00:12:13,475 Speaker 1: so powerful it convinced a guy to get Nazi tattoos 163 00:12:13,795 --> 00:12:16,115 Speaker 1: and then convinced him to go fired people at a 164 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:19,995 Speaker 1: mall and convinced him to let himself get shot and killed, 165 00:12:20,355 --> 00:12:28,515 Speaker 1: all as a sy op to besmirch the reputation of 166 00:12:30,155 --> 00:12:39,995 Speaker 1: Nazis morons. Okay, back to Washington as a final item 167 00:12:40,035 --> 00:12:43,515 Speaker 1: here in the A block and Harlan Crowe, the guy 168 00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:48,955 Speaker 1: who owns his own pet. Supreme Court Justice Harland Crowe 169 00:12:48,955 --> 00:12:52,315 Speaker 1: has officially refused to comply with an I'm asking you 170 00:12:52,515 --> 00:12:56,515 Speaker 1: nice letter from Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden, Senator 171 00:12:56,555 --> 00:12:59,875 Speaker 1: Widen wrote Crow on April twenty fourth for an inventory 172 00:12:59,955 --> 00:13:04,195 Speaker 1: of the gifts that Crow gave Clarence Thomas, and now 173 00:13:04,675 --> 00:13:10,835 Speaker 1: Crow's lawyer, Michael D. Bopp. Bopp has written back to 174 00:13:10,835 --> 00:13:14,035 Speaker 1: say the committee has no authority to compel Crow to 175 00:13:14,035 --> 00:13:17,235 Speaker 1: give up those records and is just trying to tarnish 176 00:13:17,635 --> 00:13:22,315 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas's reputation as if this were nineteen ninety one 177 00:13:22,355 --> 00:13:25,755 Speaker 1: and such a thing were still possible. How do you 178 00:13:25,955 --> 00:13:33,155 Speaker 1: tarnish Clarence Thomas's reputation? First off, find it Widen is 179 00:13:33,235 --> 00:13:36,515 Speaker 1: pissed off enough to be considering subpoenas for Crow or 180 00:13:36,635 --> 00:13:40,915 Speaker 1: maybe for Crowe's tax returns. But in another sign that 181 00:13:40,955 --> 00:13:43,355 Speaker 1: the Democratic team in the Senate may in fact be 182 00:13:43,555 --> 00:13:48,395 Speaker 1: the New York generals to the Republican's Harlem Globetrotters, Judiciary 183 00:13:48,475 --> 00:13:52,595 Speaker 1: Chairman Dick Durbin just yesterday wrote the same letter to 184 00:13:52,715 --> 00:13:58,275 Speaker 1: Harwan Crowe literally just asked him for an inventory of 185 00:13:58,315 --> 00:14:02,395 Speaker 1: his gifts to Clarence Thomas, the inventory Widen asked for 186 00:14:02,515 --> 00:14:04,435 Speaker 1: in his letter of April twenty fourth. 187 00:14:07,435 --> 00:14:07,995 Speaker 2: You guys have. 188 00:14:08,035 --> 00:14:13,075 Speaker 1: Email or phones to talk to each other. On the 189 00:14:13,115 --> 00:14:17,075 Speaker 1: other hand, if a press release is correct, there is 190 00:14:17,155 --> 00:14:21,595 Speaker 1: now nothing preventing Dick Durbin from issuing subpoenas for the 191 00:14:21,675 --> 00:14:26,315 Speaker 1: testimony of Harlan Crowe and Clarence Thomas and John Roberts 192 00:14:26,515 --> 00:14:29,195 Speaker 1: and hell dig up Scullia and bring him in there 193 00:14:29,315 --> 00:14:35,355 Speaker 1: and anybody else. There has been a Senator Dianne Feinstein 194 00:14:35,595 --> 00:14:45,195 Speaker 1: sighting maybe According to her office, Senator Feinstein was cleared 195 00:14:45,235 --> 00:14:50,075 Speaker 1: for travel after her an hour two and a half 196 00:14:50,235 --> 00:14:56,595 Speaker 1: month ordeal shingles and ninety one missed votes and was 197 00:14:56,715 --> 00:15:05,755 Speaker 1: heading back to Washington last night. Fingers crossed and question 198 00:15:07,435 --> 00:15:11,835 Speaker 1: do you know in the DC area? Are there any 199 00:15:12,675 --> 00:15:32,795 Speaker 1: professional Diane Feinstein impersonators still ahead on this all new 200 00:15:32,915 --> 00:15:36,595 Speaker 1: edition of Countdown. Public accusations of cheating by the team 201 00:15:36,675 --> 00:15:39,915 Speaker 1: with the best record in baseball, but there is no 202 00:15:40,035 --> 00:15:43,115 Speaker 1: evidence of any cheating nor even a theory of what 203 00:15:43,595 --> 00:15:47,715 Speaker 1: or how they would have cheated. A Fox Sports one 204 00:15:47,955 --> 00:15:51,075 Speaker 1: TV and local New York radio host may be in 205 00:15:51,275 --> 00:15:55,355 Speaker 1: big trouble. Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk team up to 206 00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:57,915 Speaker 1: try to make the world safe for Trust Fund babies. 207 00:15:58,555 --> 00:16:02,235 Speaker 1: As somebody who has actually done political video commentary series 208 00:16:02,275 --> 00:16:06,475 Speaker 1: on Twitter, let me explain why the Twitter Show where 209 00:16:06,515 --> 00:16:10,995 Speaker 1: the Twitter Tucker Show would start in obscurity and end 210 00:16:11,115 --> 00:16:16,395 Speaker 1: up in invisibility. And I missed Willie Mays's ninety second birthday, 211 00:16:16,755 --> 00:16:19,035 Speaker 1: but it's close enough. It was only over the weekend 212 00:16:19,355 --> 00:16:22,115 Speaker 1: that I can still discuss something nobody ever mentions, not 213 00:16:22,155 --> 00:16:27,155 Speaker 1: even Willie. Like Muhammad Ali, Willie Mays was drafted while 214 00:16:27,155 --> 00:16:30,635 Speaker 1: he was already a superstar in his sport, already a 215 00:16:30,715 --> 00:16:33,955 Speaker 1: major league star, and he missed nearly two seasons, and 216 00:16:34,035 --> 00:16:38,155 Speaker 1: he missed his chance to break baseball's all time home 217 00:16:38,235 --> 00:16:41,795 Speaker 1: run record. Also, I did an interview with him when 218 00:16:41,795 --> 00:16:46,555 Speaker 1: I was twenty in which he pretended to be someone else. 219 00:16:48,275 --> 00:16:52,875 Speaker 1: I may be recovering from this interview anytime now. That's next. 220 00:16:54,235 --> 00:16:55,195 Speaker 1: This is countdown. 221 00:17:05,755 --> 00:17:23,635 Speaker 3: This is countdown with Keith Olberman. This is Sports Senate. Wait, 222 00:17:23,835 --> 00:17:25,875 Speaker 3: check that not anymore. 223 00:17:26,675 --> 00:17:33,515 Speaker 1: This is countdown with Keith Olberman in sports. It's three 224 00:17:33,555 --> 00:17:36,795 Speaker 1: weeks since Baseball's Oakland A's said they had a binding 225 00:17:36,835 --> 00:17:39,635 Speaker 1: agreement to build a billion and a half dollar baseball 226 00:17:39,715 --> 00:17:42,875 Speaker 1: stadium on a site west of the Las Vegas Strip. 227 00:17:43,275 --> 00:17:46,275 Speaker 1: The Nevada Independent reports the A's are already back to 228 00:17:46,355 --> 00:17:50,395 Speaker 1: looking to move elsewhere two sites, per the paper in 229 00:17:50,515 --> 00:17:53,915 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, where the Wild West casino site used to 230 00:17:53,915 --> 00:17:56,595 Speaker 1: be over there on Dean Martin Drive, and at the 231 00:17:56,715 --> 00:18:01,515 Speaker 1: Rio Hotel and Casino, there's binding, and then there's Philadelphia, 232 00:18:01,595 --> 00:18:06,235 Speaker 1: Kansas City, Oakland, Las Vegas. A's kind of binding. Trevor Bauer, 233 00:18:06,315 --> 00:18:08,995 Speaker 1: former Cy Young winner, driven out of Major League Baseball 234 00:18:09,075 --> 00:18:12,795 Speaker 1: here after sexual abuse allegations, signed in Japan with the 235 00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:16,915 Speaker 1: Yokohama Bay Stars. He pitched okay in his first start, 236 00:18:17,195 --> 00:18:20,235 Speaker 1: but he was criticized by a teammate for a vanity 237 00:18:20,315 --> 00:18:24,435 Speaker 1: play in which, after each strikeout, he pretended to sheath 238 00:18:24,635 --> 00:18:28,555 Speaker 1: a sword. If he kept his sword sheathed, he'd still 239 00:18:28,555 --> 00:18:31,475 Speaker 1: be pitching for the Dodgers. Well. Now, in his second start, 240 00:18:31,955 --> 00:18:35,435 Speaker 1: Bauer has fallen on that sword. The Tokyo Yama Yuri 241 00:18:35,515 --> 00:18:38,475 Speaker 1: Giants beat him up nine to two. Bauer gave up 242 00:18:38,515 --> 00:18:42,475 Speaker 1: eleven hit, seven runs, three homers. Trouble for FS one, 243 00:18:42,595 --> 00:18:45,235 Speaker 1: the Fox cable network that carries part of the company's 244 00:18:45,275 --> 00:18:49,475 Speaker 1: package of baseball games. One of its hosts, Craig Carton, 245 00:18:49,835 --> 00:18:52,435 Speaker 1: went on his local radio show in New York after 246 00:18:52,515 --> 00:18:55,635 Speaker 1: the Yankees lost two of three to the high flying 247 00:18:55,715 --> 00:19:00,075 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Rays. His co host, Roberts Something said of 248 00:19:00,115 --> 00:19:03,035 Speaker 1: the Rays twenty nine and seven start quote, there's something 249 00:19:03,155 --> 00:19:07,555 Speaker 1: suspicious about that, by the way, to which Carton replied, yeah, 250 00:19:07,795 --> 00:19:12,275 Speaker 1: they're probably cheating if the unfounded allegation against the team 251 00:19:12,315 --> 00:19:14,595 Speaker 1: at the best record in baseball were not bad enough. 252 00:19:14,915 --> 00:19:18,635 Speaker 1: Carton is an ex con who literally went to prison 253 00:19:19,035 --> 00:19:23,315 Speaker 1: for cheating securities and wire fraud in a Ponzi scheme 254 00:19:23,475 --> 00:19:28,115 Speaker 1: involving sports tickets. And lastly, it was Monday when this happened, 255 00:19:28,115 --> 00:19:30,475 Speaker 1: but it is too good not to put it on 256 00:19:30,515 --> 00:19:33,915 Speaker 1: the record. The National Hockey League tarnished left and right, 257 00:19:33,995 --> 00:19:37,035 Speaker 1: but never more so than by a sexual abuse scandal 258 00:19:37,075 --> 00:19:40,875 Speaker 1: with the Chicago Blackhawks that went unreported and unpunished for 259 00:19:40,915 --> 00:19:45,275 Speaker 1: a decade, held its annual draft lottery. The number one pick, 260 00:19:45,475 --> 00:19:49,835 Speaker 1: certain to be generational scoring talent Connor Bedard was awarded 261 00:19:49,835 --> 00:19:56,075 Speaker 1: to the Chicago Blackhawks. Twitter user at lacanuck then produced 262 00:19:56,115 --> 00:20:00,195 Speaker 1: one of the sports tweets of the year, observing quote, 263 00:20:00,235 --> 00:20:03,795 Speaker 1: out of respect for Blackhawks culture, they should have kept 264 00:20:03,915 --> 00:20:17,235 Speaker 1: quiet about the result of the lottery for ten years. 265 00:20:20,395 --> 00:20:20,635 Speaker 2: Time. 266 00:20:20,715 --> 00:20:22,795 Speaker 1: Now for the daily round up of the misgrants, morons, 267 00:20:22,795 --> 00:20:26,795 Speaker 1: and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who constitute today's worst persons 268 00:20:26,795 --> 00:20:32,675 Speaker 1: in the world. The Bronze Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine and 269 00:20:32,715 --> 00:20:35,995 Speaker 1: threatening nuclear conflict and blaming the US and the West 270 00:20:36,075 --> 00:20:38,795 Speaker 1: and trying to split our country in half by sowing 271 00:20:38,835 --> 00:20:44,355 Speaker 1: division and racism online is one thing. But celebrating Victory Day, 272 00:20:44,835 --> 00:20:47,355 Speaker 1: the seventieth anniversary of the end of World War Two, 273 00:20:47,675 --> 00:20:51,795 Speaker 1: and doing it so badly that the world laughs is 274 00:20:51,795 --> 00:20:55,275 Speaker 1: something else altogether. In part because he has exhausted his 275 00:20:55,355 --> 00:20:59,155 Speaker 1: military in Ukraine, the annual Russian Victory Day Parade of 276 00:20:59,275 --> 00:21:03,755 Speaker 1: Tanks was a little short. It consisted of a parade 277 00:21:03,955 --> 00:21:09,395 Speaker 1: of one tank, a T eighty four eighty five World 278 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:12,995 Speaker 1: War Two vintage tank pulled out of a museum like 279 00:21:13,035 --> 00:21:17,235 Speaker 1: an eighty year old tank. Vladimir, have some self respect 280 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,315 Speaker 1: and cancel that part of the parade and just have 281 00:21:19,475 --> 00:21:25,675 Speaker 1: somebody sing tanks for the memories. Sorry, the Bronze Elon 282 00:21:25,795 --> 00:21:29,395 Speaker 1: Musk and Tucker Carlson Sorry. They announced in a video 283 00:21:29,435 --> 00:21:31,715 Speaker 1: in which it looks like Tucker's makeup was applied at 284 00:21:31,755 --> 00:21:36,315 Speaker 1: Clown College that Tucker Carlson will apparently forego the remaining 285 00:21:36,355 --> 00:21:39,675 Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty million dollars Fox owes him and 286 00:21:39,875 --> 00:21:45,075 Speaker 1: will do his show every night on Twitter. Google searches 287 00:21:45,115 --> 00:21:47,755 Speaker 1: for Tucker Carlson have fallen through the floor since his 288 00:21:47,835 --> 00:21:52,155 Speaker 1: TV show ended. To quote myself, good evening and welcome 289 00:21:52,195 --> 00:21:56,035 Speaker 1: to the end of your career. There are ways to 290 00:21:56,195 --> 00:21:59,395 Speaker 1: use Twitter to distribute short, or at least not long, 291 00:21:59,555 --> 00:22:02,955 Speaker 1: political commentary programs. The Closer and The Resistance that I 292 00:22:02,995 --> 00:22:06,275 Speaker 1: did for GQ in two thou sixteen to twenty seventeen, 293 00:22:06,475 --> 00:22:10,195 Speaker 1: really they were transmitted on Twitter and Facebook, and they 294 00:22:10,235 --> 00:22:13,515 Speaker 1: got like three hundred and seventy five million total views 295 00:22:13,995 --> 00:22:16,435 Speaker 1: for one hundred and seventy shows of about ten minutes each. 296 00:22:16,915 --> 00:22:19,875 Speaker 1: Now I've done shorter commentaries two minutes even less that 297 00:22:19,915 --> 00:22:24,115 Speaker 1: have also gotten millions of impressions. But remember the calculus here. 298 00:22:24,555 --> 00:22:28,235 Speaker 1: When you hear Tucker Carlson boast that his first post 299 00:22:28,435 --> 00:22:33,195 Speaker 1: Fox Twitter video got forty million views, but his last 300 00:22:33,235 --> 00:22:37,515 Speaker 1: Fox show got only four million viewers, remember that how 301 00:22:37,715 --> 00:22:41,595 Speaker 1: audiences are measured for Twitter and TV. It's entirely different. 302 00:22:41,995 --> 00:22:46,715 Speaker 1: Four million TV viewers means four million TV viewers is 303 00:22:46,795 --> 00:22:51,475 Speaker 1: the average for every minute in a sixty minute show. 304 00:22:52,195 --> 00:22:56,355 Speaker 1: Forty million Twitter viewers means forty million viewers for every 305 00:22:56,395 --> 00:23:00,075 Speaker 1: minute of a two minute show. That's one thirtieth the 306 00:23:00,195 --> 00:23:04,235 Speaker 1: length of the TV show if you measured television audiences 307 00:23:04,475 --> 00:23:08,795 Speaker 1: the way you measure Twitter audiences. On Fox, Tucker Carlson 308 00:23:08,835 --> 00:23:12,835 Speaker 1: had ninety million viewers a night. His Twitter video didn't 309 00:23:12,875 --> 00:23:17,435 Speaker 1: reach half that audience, and a live, hour long show 310 00:23:17,515 --> 00:23:21,395 Speaker 1: on a social media site designed to be consumed two 311 00:23:21,475 --> 00:23:24,355 Speaker 1: or three minutes at a time, maybe is going to 312 00:23:24,435 --> 00:23:29,715 Speaker 1: crash and burn. God, but our winner Milania Trump. She 313 00:23:29,755 --> 00:23:32,235 Speaker 1: has given her first interview in months to Fox, saying 314 00:23:32,275 --> 00:23:36,995 Speaker 1: she is looking forward to helping her She checks notes husband, 315 00:23:37,915 --> 00:23:41,355 Speaker 1: the one whom a jury just ruled sexually abused, Egene Carroll, 316 00:23:41,395 --> 00:23:44,915 Speaker 1: as he seeks to regain power. Milania says she wants 317 00:23:44,955 --> 00:23:47,915 Speaker 1: to help him restore quote hope for the future and 318 00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:54,835 Speaker 1: leading America with love and strength. Unquote Milania, somebody's contract 319 00:23:54,875 --> 00:24:02,195 Speaker 1: option was picked up. Trump to day's worse person endeavor 320 00:24:14,955 --> 00:24:17,755 Speaker 1: still ahead on countdown. I'm a little late to this party. 321 00:24:17,795 --> 00:24:21,195 Speaker 1: But baseball immortal Willie Mays turned ninety two years old 322 00:24:21,235 --> 00:24:25,875 Speaker 1: the other day, And as always, whenever I hear his name, 323 00:24:26,875 --> 00:24:28,995 Speaker 1: and I met him first in high school. 324 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:30,435 Speaker 2: When I was in high school, and when he was 325 00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:31,235 Speaker 2: in high school. 326 00:24:31,075 --> 00:24:32,995 Speaker 1: I flashed back to the radio interview I did with 327 00:24:33,075 --> 00:24:35,715 Speaker 1: him when I was twenty and he pretended to be 328 00:24:35,915 --> 00:24:40,035 Speaker 1: somebody else. Next. First, in each edition of Countdown, we 329 00:24:40,075 --> 00:24:43,155 Speaker 1: feature a dog. Indeed, you can help. Every dog has 330 00:24:43,195 --> 00:24:46,915 Speaker 1: its day. How could you possibly kill an eight month 331 00:24:46,955 --> 00:24:50,995 Speaker 1: old puppy, even a big one named Bruno who nips people. 332 00:24:51,755 --> 00:24:54,555 Speaker 1: Bruno is an Akita mix. He's stuck in a remote 333 00:24:54,595 --> 00:24:57,755 Speaker 1: pound at Big Bear in California. They have maybe twelve 334 00:24:57,835 --> 00:25:00,635 Speaker 1: kennels in the whole place. He's scared, he nips. He's 335 00:25:00,675 --> 00:25:03,875 Speaker 1: a puppy. He has a soulful face and absolutely no 336 00:25:03,995 --> 00:25:06,875 Speaker 1: chance of unless a rescue goes in and pulls him. 337 00:25:07,275 --> 00:25:09,675 Speaker 1: And any such rescue will need our pledges to help 338 00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,835 Speaker 1: defray its costs because he'll need a foster home, he'll 339 00:25:12,835 --> 00:25:16,075 Speaker 1: need training. We live in a world where not killing 340 00:25:16,155 --> 00:25:19,755 Speaker 1: puppies costs money. Look for Bruno on my Twitter feeds 341 00:25:19,755 --> 00:25:22,875 Speaker 1: and pledge if you can, or please retweet. I thank 342 00:25:22,915 --> 00:25:37,275 Speaker 1: you and Bruno thanks you. And now to the number 343 00:25:37,275 --> 00:25:39,675 Speaker 1: one story on the Countdown and my favorite topic, me 344 00:25:39,755 --> 00:25:41,835 Speaker 1: and things I promised not to tell. And as I 345 00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:45,275 Speaker 1: mentioned over the weekend, Willie Mays turned ninety two years 346 00:25:45,315 --> 00:25:49,035 Speaker 1: old and the greatest defensive athlete I have ever seen 347 00:25:49,155 --> 00:25:52,795 Speaker 1: play any sport, and easily the greatest all around baseball 348 00:25:52,835 --> 00:25:56,435 Speaker 1: player I have ever seen, was celebrated rightly across the 349 00:25:56,475 --> 00:25:59,915 Speaker 1: sports world, and all I could think of was the 350 00:26:00,075 --> 00:26:04,355 Speaker 1: damnedest interview I ever did. This was at my first 351 00:26:04,435 --> 00:26:07,715 Speaker 1: job for my radio network at UPI, when God helped me. 352 00:26:07,795 --> 00:26:11,715 Speaker 1: Willy Mays was sixteen years younger than I am now, 353 00:26:13,075 --> 00:26:15,395 Speaker 1: and like I wasn't scared enough to be on the 354 00:26:15,595 --> 00:26:20,675 Speaker 1: phone with Willie Mays. He started the interview by doing 355 00:26:20,715 --> 00:26:24,315 Speaker 1: a bit a bit, which if I had done that bit, 356 00:26:24,395 --> 00:26:29,715 Speaker 1: they would have fired me. The other thing I think 357 00:26:29,755 --> 00:26:33,195 Speaker 1: of is an amazing injustice that befell Willie Mays that 358 00:26:33,275 --> 00:26:38,515 Speaker 1: nobody talks about and nobody registers anymore. Okay, the first part. So, 359 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:42,715 Speaker 1: It's a Saturday afternoon, October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine, 360 00:26:43,115 --> 00:26:46,115 Speaker 1: just forty three and a half years ago, and Willie 361 00:26:46,155 --> 00:26:49,675 Speaker 1: Mays has just been banned from baseball because word has 362 00:26:49,715 --> 00:26:52,035 Speaker 1: gotten out that he has signed a contract to do 363 00:26:52,155 --> 00:26:55,555 Speaker 1: promotional events for a casino in Atlantic City, and there 364 00:26:55,635 --> 00:26:59,395 Speaker 1: is a news conference coming up in two days on Monday. Now, 365 00:26:59,755 --> 00:27:04,155 Speaker 1: try explaining this whole concept to any current sports fan. 366 00:27:04,835 --> 00:27:07,715 Speaker 1: Any current sports fan now used to seeing retired players 367 00:27:07,755 --> 00:27:10,435 Speaker 1: on TV telling them how to bet and who to 368 00:27:10,515 --> 00:27:14,835 Speaker 1: bet on, or the sportscasters doing the games giving you 369 00:27:14,915 --> 00:27:17,195 Speaker 1: the latest odds and how they have changed since the 370 00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:22,395 Speaker 1: last period or inning started. Plus this was like three 371 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,275 Speaker 1: months after Willie Mays was inducted into the Baseball Hall 372 00:27:25,315 --> 00:27:29,155 Speaker 1: of Fame, three months after the celebration of this brilliant career, 373 00:27:30,195 --> 00:27:33,515 Speaker 1: and now they've banned him for life for something that 374 00:27:33,595 --> 00:27:37,395 Speaker 1: today the commissioner would have sent him a note of congratulations, 375 00:27:37,515 --> 00:27:41,715 Speaker 1: to say nothing of a large paycheck. And nobody has 376 00:27:41,795 --> 00:27:44,435 Speaker 1: done an interview with Willy Mays yet because he has 377 00:27:44,515 --> 00:27:47,795 Speaker 1: been traveling. And my phone rings in my little cubby 378 00:27:47,795 --> 00:27:50,955 Speaker 1: hole at the United pres International Radio Network that I've 379 00:27:50,955 --> 00:27:56,035 Speaker 1: only been working at since August three months. That's how 380 00:27:56,075 --> 00:27:59,035 Speaker 1: long my full time broadcasting career has been to this point. 381 00:27:59,195 --> 00:28:01,835 Speaker 1: And on the phone is maybe the top baseball reporter 382 00:28:02,595 --> 00:28:06,275 Speaker 1: of the second half of the twentieth century, Keith, It's 383 00:28:06,315 --> 00:28:09,955 Speaker 1: Milt Richmond. This man once reported it in July nineteen 384 00:28:09,995 --> 00:28:13,315 Speaker 1: fifty five that if the Milwaukee Braves did not start winning, 385 00:28:13,435 --> 00:28:17,475 Speaker 1: that they would fire their manager exactly one year later 386 00:28:17,995 --> 00:28:21,235 Speaker 1: and they didn't start winning, and exactly one year later 387 00:28:21,275 --> 00:28:25,595 Speaker 1: to the day, they fired their manager. Keith, write this 388 00:28:25,715 --> 00:28:29,355 Speaker 1: phone number down. It's Willie May's. Milt never got excited 389 00:28:29,355 --> 00:28:32,395 Speaker 1: about anything. He talked like this all the time. William 390 00:28:32,435 --> 00:28:35,355 Speaker 1: Mays is expecting your call for an interview about this 391 00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:39,515 Speaker 1: banishment story. And I squeaked yes, sir, and I went 392 00:28:39,555 --> 00:28:42,875 Speaker 1: into one of our recording studios and I dialed Willie 393 00:28:42,915 --> 00:28:48,115 Speaker 1: Mays's phone number. And I will not recreate the voice 394 00:28:48,315 --> 00:28:53,955 Speaker 1: that I heard answer Willie May's phone, because while doing 395 00:28:53,995 --> 00:28:56,355 Speaker 1: this voice was once considered to be a staple of 396 00:28:56,395 --> 00:29:00,395 Speaker 1: American humor, even American humor written or performed by liberals. 397 00:29:00,555 --> 00:29:04,635 Speaker 1: I mean, James Thurber's short stories are full of this voice. 398 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:08,995 Speaker 1: The voice is wildly racist. It is racist enough that 399 00:29:09,035 --> 00:29:12,995 Speaker 1: if today you heard an African American man do it, 400 00:29:13,515 --> 00:29:15,995 Speaker 1: even Willie Mays, you probably say. 401 00:29:16,955 --> 00:29:21,795 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, still racist. Don't do it, Willie. 402 00:29:23,275 --> 00:29:27,275 Speaker 2: It was a voice similar to the actress Hattie McDaniel, 403 00:29:27,555 --> 00:29:29,915 Speaker 2: who won the Academy Award in nineteen thirty nine for 404 00:29:30,035 --> 00:29:33,915 Speaker 2: Gone with the Wind. She was a world class blues singer, 405 00:29:33,955 --> 00:29:36,795 Speaker 2: a top patriotic fundraiser during World War Two, and she 406 00:29:36,915 --> 00:29:41,995 Speaker 2: played maids housekeepers in maybe two hundred films. She also 407 00:29:42,075 --> 00:29:44,195 Speaker 2: played one on a famous radio show, and was paid 408 00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:48,395 Speaker 2: so little that while she was performing her role of 409 00:29:48,435 --> 00:29:51,595 Speaker 2: the pretend maid, she had to keep working as a 410 00:29:51,635 --> 00:29:56,555 Speaker 2: real maid. Okay, so I'm twenty years old and I 411 00:29:56,595 --> 00:29:59,395 Speaker 2: have to interview Willy Mays about him getting banned from baseball, 412 00:29:59,435 --> 00:30:01,875 Speaker 2: which is crazy enough. And I call and the phone 413 00:30:01,915 --> 00:30:05,075 Speaker 2: is answered, and a gravelly but feminine voice that sounded 414 00:30:05,115 --> 00:30:11,875 Speaker 2: exactly like Hattie McDaniel says hello, mister Mays's residence. And 415 00:30:11,915 --> 00:30:15,835 Speaker 2: I'm a little thrown but I power through it somehow, 416 00:30:15,875 --> 00:30:18,675 Speaker 2: and I explain who I am, and she says ahah, 417 00:30:18,755 --> 00:30:21,355 Speaker 2: And I say where I'm calling from, and she says ahah, 418 00:30:21,355 --> 00:30:24,195 Speaker 2: And I say, Milt Richmond said, mister Mays was expecting 419 00:30:24,195 --> 00:30:28,275 Speaker 2: my call. And she interrupts and goes, this is Willie. 420 00:30:29,155 --> 00:30:32,355 Speaker 2: The Hattie McDaniel impersonation was being done by Willie Mays. 421 00:30:34,515 --> 00:30:38,195 Speaker 2: Now I do not have this on tape. Silly me. 422 00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:43,475 Speaker 1: When my bosses said you may not start recording before 423 00:30:43,515 --> 00:30:47,835 Speaker 1: you get express permission from the interviewee to start recording, 424 00:30:48,915 --> 00:30:54,835 Speaker 1: I believed them and I lived by that rule, anybody 425 00:30:54,835 --> 00:30:57,595 Speaker 1: else would have a tape of this phone being answered 426 00:30:57,595 --> 00:31:00,835 Speaker 1: and the Hattie McDaniel impression done by Willie Mays, because 427 00:31:00,875 --> 00:31:02,955 Speaker 1: the first thing you do is record, so you don't 428 00:31:02,995 --> 00:31:06,075 Speaker 1: have to remember to record, because otherwise you'll forget to record. 429 00:31:07,155 --> 00:31:09,675 Speaker 1: But I'm afraid you are going to have to take 430 00:31:09,755 --> 00:31:14,555 Speaker 1: my word for this, because why would I make this up? 431 00:31:15,515 --> 00:31:19,835 Speaker 1: October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy nine, and I still haven't 432 00:31:19,875 --> 00:31:25,915 Speaker 1: recovered mister Mays's residence. Happy ninety second birthday, Willie Mays. 433 00:31:26,755 --> 00:31:30,595 Speaker 1: Now the injustice that William Mays suffered that nobody talks about. 434 00:31:30,635 --> 00:31:33,555 Speaker 1: In fact, I've never heard him talk about it. This 435 00:31:33,675 --> 00:31:37,075 Speaker 1: is something else that no fan believes today. The United 436 00:31:37,075 --> 00:31:40,995 Speaker 1: States Military used to draft Major League Baseball players and 437 00:31:41,155 --> 00:31:44,755 Speaker 1: NFL players and NBA players and send them into the 438 00:31:44,835 --> 00:31:48,235 Speaker 1: service in the middle of their seasons, in the primes 439 00:31:48,275 --> 00:31:51,875 Speaker 1: of their careers, even if there was no war in progress. 440 00:31:52,755 --> 00:31:55,555 Speaker 1: They only did it a couple of times after saying 441 00:31:55,635 --> 00:31:58,955 Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, and usually that was thinly veiled racist 442 00:31:58,955 --> 00:32:02,155 Speaker 1: political pressure, such as when they drafted Muhammad Ali in 443 00:32:02,235 --> 00:32:04,355 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six when he was heavyweight champion of the 444 00:32:04,395 --> 00:32:08,755 Speaker 1: world and an activist Muslim, and he was twenty four 445 00:32:08,835 --> 00:32:12,875 Speaker 1: years old when everybody else getting drafted was eighteen. Remember that. 446 00:32:14,835 --> 00:32:18,435 Speaker 1: But in nineteen fifty two they also drafted Willie Mays. 447 00:32:19,235 --> 00:32:21,195 Speaker 1: He had come up from the Miners the year before 448 00:32:21,235 --> 00:32:23,515 Speaker 1: and had led the New York Giants from thirteen games 449 00:32:23,555 --> 00:32:25,475 Speaker 1: back to the National League pennant. And he was the 450 00:32:25,555 --> 00:32:28,235 Speaker 1: kind of all around whirlwind of a player nobody had 451 00:32:28,275 --> 00:32:31,315 Speaker 1: ever seen before in Major League Baseball. And on May 452 00:32:31,395 --> 00:32:35,155 Speaker 1: twenty ninth, thirty four games into his second season, Boom, 453 00:32:35,875 --> 00:32:39,755 Speaker 1: he was drafted and inducted, and he missed the rest 454 00:32:39,915 --> 00:32:43,635 Speaker 1: of that season and all of the nineteen fifty three season. 455 00:32:44,475 --> 00:32:48,555 Speaker 1: I can't think of a parallel today. Maybe maybe they 456 00:32:49,275 --> 00:32:53,035 Speaker 1: draft in the middle of his second season somebody like 457 00:32:53,115 --> 00:32:56,355 Speaker 1: Fernando Tatis and in the middle of May, he's gone 458 00:32:56,915 --> 00:32:58,755 Speaker 1: for the rest of this year and next year because 459 00:32:58,755 --> 00:33:03,755 Speaker 1: he has to go serve in the military. Now, they 460 00:33:03,795 --> 00:33:07,555 Speaker 1: didn't draft Mickey Mantle, who also broke in in New 461 00:33:07,635 --> 00:33:09,835 Speaker 1: York in nineteen fifty one the way Mays did. And 462 00:33:09,875 --> 00:33:13,475 Speaker 1: to be fair, Mickey Mantle had about four hundred medical 463 00:33:13,515 --> 00:33:16,275 Speaker 1: problems that would have kept anybody out of the military 464 00:33:16,315 --> 00:33:18,755 Speaker 1: and it was all legit. But they also didn't draft 465 00:33:19,075 --> 00:33:22,035 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty one American League Rookie of the Year winner, 466 00:33:22,075 --> 00:33:24,475 Speaker 1: Gil McDougald of the Yankees, who was a white guy, 467 00:33:25,155 --> 00:33:27,875 Speaker 1: or Walt Dropo, who was the Rookie of the Year 468 00:33:27,915 --> 00:33:31,355 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty or Roy Sievers, who was the Rookie 469 00:33:31,355 --> 00:33:34,155 Speaker 1: of the Year in nineteen forty nine, or or you 470 00:33:34,235 --> 00:33:38,995 Speaker 1: get the point here. Now, trying to calculate should have 471 00:33:39,035 --> 00:33:41,475 Speaker 1: beens in sports is a risky enough business, but you 472 00:33:41,555 --> 00:33:44,275 Speaker 1: can get an approximation of what might have happened. If 473 00:33:44,275 --> 00:33:47,275 Speaker 1: a player hits twenty homers in his first year and 474 00:33:47,315 --> 00:33:50,355 Speaker 1: then misses two years, and then he comes back and 475 00:33:50,395 --> 00:33:52,715 Speaker 1: he hits forty one homers in his first year back, 476 00:33:52,915 --> 00:33:56,595 Speaker 1: you can excrapolate that he probably would have hit twenty 477 00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:59,755 Speaker 1: seven homers in the first missing year and thirty four 478 00:33:59,875 --> 00:34:04,155 Speaker 1: in the second missing year. Your numerical sequence is twenty homers, 479 00:34:04,395 --> 00:34:07,235 Speaker 1: then twenty seven homers, then thirty four homers, then forty 480 00:34:07,235 --> 00:34:09,475 Speaker 1: one homers. You have to tinker a little bit with 481 00:34:09,555 --> 00:34:12,235 Speaker 1: it in Mays's case, because he didn't miss all of 482 00:34:12,235 --> 00:34:14,835 Speaker 1: that second season nineteen fifty two. He just missed from 483 00:34:14,955 --> 00:34:18,155 Speaker 1: June on and he'd had a slow start. He'd only 484 00:34:18,235 --> 00:34:20,355 Speaker 1: hit four homers in the first two months of nineteen 485 00:34:20,395 --> 00:34:23,315 Speaker 1: fifty two, so instead of twenty seven that year, maybe 486 00:34:23,315 --> 00:34:26,195 Speaker 1: he only hits twenty four that year. So a good 487 00:34:26,275 --> 00:34:28,995 Speaker 1: guess as to how many homers Willie Mays did not 488 00:34:29,195 --> 00:34:31,515 Speaker 1: get to hit because he got drafted and all the 489 00:34:31,555 --> 00:34:35,715 Speaker 1: white guys did not get drafted is all told fifty four. 490 00:34:37,115 --> 00:34:41,075 Speaker 1: In real life, playing between nineteen fifty one and nineteen 491 00:34:41,155 --> 00:34:44,955 Speaker 1: seventy three, Willie Mays finished with six hundred and sixty 492 00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:48,715 Speaker 1: home runs. For most of the nineteen sixties, it was 493 00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:52,035 Speaker 1: thought he was the man who would challenge Babe Ruth's 494 00:34:52,075 --> 00:34:56,995 Speaker 1: career record, not Hank Aaron, but Willie Mays. Willie Mays 495 00:34:57,075 --> 00:34:58,955 Speaker 1: hit six hundred and sixty homers, but if you'd give 496 00:34:59,035 --> 00:35:02,035 Speaker 1: him those fifty four more homers he might have hit. 497 00:35:02,275 --> 00:35:06,235 Speaker 1: If he hadn't been so curiously drafted in nineteen fifty two, 498 00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:09,515 Speaker 1: Willie Mays would have finished with seven hundred and fourteen 499 00:35:09,555 --> 00:35:13,675 Speaker 1: home runs. Seven hundred and fourteen, which is exactly how 500 00:35:13,715 --> 00:35:18,355 Speaker 1: many Babe Ruth hit. So if he doesn't get drafted, 501 00:35:18,955 --> 00:35:21,115 Speaker 1: maybe in nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy three and 502 00:35:21,155 --> 00:35:24,515 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, we are seeing Willie Mays hit his 503 00:35:24,715 --> 00:35:28,795 Speaker 1: seven hundredth career home run, challenging Babe Ruth's record, and 504 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,595 Speaker 1: then tying and breaking Babe Ruth's record, and then right 505 00:35:31,675 --> 00:35:35,115 Speaker 1: behind him, Henry Aaron hits his seven hundred and fifteenth 506 00:35:35,155 --> 00:35:37,915 Speaker 1: homer and then his seven hundred and sixteenth homer to 507 00:35:37,995 --> 00:35:56,795 Speaker 1: break the all time record held by Willie Mays. I've 508 00:35:56,835 --> 00:35:58,595 Speaker 1: done all the damage I can do. Here here are 509 00:35:58,595 --> 00:36:00,995 Speaker 1: the credits. 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Our announcer 518 00:36:29,155 --> 00:36:31,635 Speaker 1: was Kenny Maine, and everything else is pretty much my fault. 519 00:36:32,195 --> 00:36:34,075 Speaker 1: So that's countdown. For this the eight hundred and fifty 520 00:36:34,115 --> 00:36:37,355 Speaker 1: fifth day since Donald Trump's first attempted coup against the 521 00:36:37,355 --> 00:36:40,795 Speaker 1: democratically elected government in the United States, Do not forget 522 00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:44,355 Speaker 1: to keep arresting him while we still can. The next 523 00:36:44,355 --> 00:36:48,275 Speaker 1: scheduled countdown is tomorrow. Until then, I'm Keith Olberman. Good afternoon, 524 00:36:48,355 --> 00:37:01,995 Speaker 1: good morning, good night, and good luck. Yeah, I know 525 00:37:02,035 --> 00:37:05,115 Speaker 1: I got the sequence out of order? How much did 526 00:37:05,115 --> 00:37:08,675 Speaker 1: you pay for listening to this podcast? 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