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<v Speaker 3>So it's okay, yeah, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Turn it down just a little bit, because sometimes you

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<v Speaker 4>get animated.

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<v Speaker 3>I get pissed off, pissed off old cop.

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<v Speaker 4>This pissed off old cop is Mike Bauer.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, my name is Mike Bauer, retired Captain LA Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 5>I retired in two thousand and two. My last assignment

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<v Speaker 5>was Major Crimes Bureau, Detective Division, LA Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 4>Bower spent thirty three years climbing the ranks of the

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<v Speaker 4>Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, and he looks the part

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<v Speaker 4>of a retired captain. His white hair and mustache are

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<v Speaker 4>neatly groomed, and his eyes were permanently fixed and a

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<v Speaker 4>look that says, do not fuck up on my watch.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's pissed off because of something that happened to

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<v Speaker 4>one of his guys on his squad back in the

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<v Speaker 4>summer of nineteen ninety eight. June eleventh started off like

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<v Speaker 4>a normal day in Los Angeles, June gloom and bad traffic.

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<v Speaker 5>I got up early out of Long Beach and headed

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<v Speaker 5>up the six zero five and into East La. Our

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<v Speaker 5>office in East LA.

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<v Speaker 4>Bauer was doing paperwork when a call came into the

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<v Speaker 4>front desk. The receptionist answered.

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<v Speaker 5>Then she hung up and she comes down to get

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<v Speaker 5>a cup of coffee across the hall, and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>who was that? It was? John Aujay.

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<v Speaker 4>John auj was a t eight year old canine cop

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<v Speaker 4>and he was calling to inquire about an upcoming job assignment.

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<v Speaker 5>I said, well, I've been trying to get hold him,

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<v Speaker 5>and she says, oh, well, maybe he'll call back.

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<v Speaker 3>He never called back.

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<v Speaker 4>John aj was working for the unit Bower headed up

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, the Special Enforcement Bureau or SEB for short.

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<v Speaker 5>Which consists of seven or eight SWAT teams, and the

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<v Speaker 5>SWAT teams were involved in tactical responses to high risk

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<v Speaker 5>situations in the field.

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<v Speaker 4>Seb handled things like active shooter situations, hostage negotiations, search

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<v Speaker 4>and rescue. It was a job that attracted adrenaline junkies

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<v Speaker 4>like Aj. He was an Army paratrooper and a survivalist,

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<v Speaker 4>and those military skills, along with his buzz cut and

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<v Speaker 4>square build, made him a shoe in for the Sheriff's Department.

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<v Speaker 5>He was in the Army in Special Forces. He was

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<v Speaker 5>working at the elite unit of the department. I have

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<v Speaker 5>to call him a loaner, but he was an elite

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<v Speaker 5>loaner because the guy was doing fifty mile runs. He

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<v Speaker 5>was an animal.

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<v Speaker 4>Auj got his kicks by going on long runs through

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<v Speaker 4>California's back country. He'd go out deep into the wilderness

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<v Speaker 4>to conquer the only obstacle course that still challenged him.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's how Auj was spending his day off. On

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<v Speaker 4>June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight, he woke up, put on

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<v Speaker 4>his running gear and drove to one of his favorite parks,

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<v Speaker 4>the Devil's Punch Bowl. It's a rugged canyon where the

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<v Speaker 4>Angelus National Forest, the San Gabriel Mountains, and the Mojave

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<v Speaker 4>Desert all converge. Auj entered the park just before noon,

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<v Speaker 4>used a payphone to call into the Sheriff's department, and

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<v Speaker 4>then he took off running. Never listen to any music,

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<v Speaker 4>just the sounds of nature as he jogged along a

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<v Speaker 4>maze of switchbacks and up a nearly ten thousand foot mountain.

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<v Speaker 4>By early evening, he looped back towards the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 4>but as the sun began to set, the shadows of

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<v Speaker 4>trees and rocks grew until night engulfed the park.

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<v Speaker 5>That evening, I got a phone call saying that Wog

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<v Speaker 5>is missing, that he didn't come back to his vehicle,

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<v Speaker 5>and that they were going to start some more extensive

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<v Speaker 5>searching for him.

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<v Speaker 6>It's an all out manhunt for John Aujay. Every search

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<v Speaker 6>and rescue team in La County has been called in

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<v Speaker 6>to help the thirty eight year old when hiking Thursday

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<v Speaker 6>in a rugged section of the Angelos National Forest known

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<v Speaker 6>as Double Punch Bowls Park. It's a beautiful but dangerous area,

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<v Speaker 6>an area where it may be extremely difficult to find

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<v Speaker 6>all Jay.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a pretty unique situation. The Sheriff's department is called

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<v Speaker 4>in to look for a missing hiker who's one of

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<v Speaker 4>their own, So the search and rescue team sent out

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<v Speaker 4>to look for Auj consists of his friends and colleagues.

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<v Speaker 7>We took our teams out and deployed in two man

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<v Speaker 7>teams over the edges of the trails, into the little

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<v Speaker 7>nooks and crannies and the gullies that he could have

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<v Speaker 7>slipped and fallen into.

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<v Speaker 4>But searchers find no trace of Aj. It was as

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<v Speaker 4>if he just vanished into thin air. And now, nearly

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<v Speaker 4>thirty years later, the deputy is still missing.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess I'll open a box.

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<v Speaker 4>All that remains from Auj's life is packed into five

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<v Speaker 4>cardboard boxes. The items are wrapped in plastic and Bauer

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<v Speaker 4>wears gloves as he combs through them.

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<v Speaker 5>This is John's work jacket, and it's an SEB jacket

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<v Speaker 5>with his name embroidered on it. And Bossco his.

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<v Speaker 4>Dog now bowers preserving Auja's belongings for future developments in

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<v Speaker 4>the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so here's his running shoes with his name on

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<v Speaker 5>the back. Those should have some DNA in him.

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<v Speaker 4>The artifacts also tell us who Auja was. There's a

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<v Speaker 4>photocollage full of happy memories him and his high school

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<v Speaker 4>sweetheart Dub on their wedding day, a birthday party for

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<v Speaker 4>their daughter, Chloe, who was just five when he disappeared,

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<v Speaker 4>and puppy picks of Bosco. Auj's department issued K nine

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<v Speaker 4>And next to these snapshots of domestic life, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>steel ballistics helmet intended to stop rifle rounds, trophies for marksmanship,

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<v Speaker 4>army fatigues, you know, tough guys stuff. Auj moved at

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<v Speaker 4>a fast clip, trying to balance the competing demands of

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<v Speaker 4>home and work, but his life came to an abrupt

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<v Speaker 4>and puzzling end.

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<v Speaker 5>A death certificate says cause a death unknown manner, a

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<v Speaker 5>death unknown no body.

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<v Speaker 4>The deputy's body has never been found, which raises a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of questions for Mike Bauer and a survivalist getting

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<v Speaker 4>lost in the woods another big question mark. Over time,

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<v Speaker 4>the mystery of it all has turned into something else,

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<v Speaker 4>deep and unsettling, suspicion about the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Only law enforcement agency in this country that I know of,

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<v Speaker 5>and I've looked around who has a missing deputy sheriff

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<v Speaker 5>and doesn't seem to care. What the hell happened? What's

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<v Speaker 5>the answer? Who's motivated to find.

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<v Speaker 4>The answer, And that's Mike cue. When Mike Bauer first

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<v Speaker 4>told me about Auja, I thought an unsolved disappearance involving

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<v Speaker 4>a cop, that's unusual. But when he started talking about

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<v Speaker 4>the Sheriff's Department, his department, that's when I locked in.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you'd expect the La County Sheriff's Department to turn

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<v Speaker 4>over every stone to find their guy. So the claim

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<v Speaker 4>that the LASD may have an interest in not solving

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<v Speaker 4>the case, now that's a story. So I called up

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<v Speaker 4>my friend Hayley Fox. Like me, she's an investigative journalist,

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<v Speaker 4>and she knows a lot about the Sheriff's department because

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<v Speaker 4>she's reported on it for many years. Hey, Betsy, Hey.

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<v Speaker 5>Do I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I go to do this.

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<v Speaker 8>It's about time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little road trip adventure.

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<v Speaker 9>All right, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 4>We've teamed up on stories before and decided to get

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<v Speaker 4>the band back together to find answers about this missing

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<v Speaker 4>deputy and to take on the largest sheriff's department in

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<v Speaker 4>the country.

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<v Speaker 10>There's a code of silence in law enforcement. You break

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<v Speaker 10>that code of silence, you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if don't fucking kill a Copponberry's what are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do to me.

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<v Speaker 5>It's an obstruction of justice of a very large scale.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Betsy Shepherd, I'm Haley Fox, and this is Valley

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<v Speaker 2>of Shadows, a show about crime and corruption in California's

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<v Speaker 2>High Desert. Episode one, the Devil's Punch Bowl. Betsy and

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<v Speaker 2>I are making the trek from downtown Los Angeles to

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<v Speaker 2>the Antelope Valley, that's the desert area north of La

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<v Speaker 2>where Deputy auj disappeared. The drives about sixty miles but

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<v Speaker 2>takes an hour and a half to two hours because

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<v Speaker 2>of the mountainous.

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<v Speaker 4>Terrain, so you actually have to take We gotta go north.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna go north, but this is La Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta go south. One in south five north fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>and then I think there's a one thirty eighth throat

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<v Speaker 2>in there, but nothing's a street shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoken like a true Angelino.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born and raised in La County, Go Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 2>but this part of it feels worlds away. The Antelope Valley,

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<v Speaker 2>or the av as it's sometimes called, is a three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand square mile stretch of the Mojave, But this part

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<v Speaker 2>of the High Desert doesn't have the same allure and

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<v Speaker 2>vibingess as places like Joshua Tree. Instead, the avy is

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<v Speaker 2>mostly empty space, dotted with defence plants, bedroom communities, and

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<v Speaker 2>tumbleweed towns.

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<v Speaker 11>So a lot of just like.

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<v Speaker 4>Trailers kind of just park down in the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean power lines and scrubbrush. Our story takes

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<v Speaker 2>place in and around Pair Blossom, California. It has a

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<v Speaker 2>population of fifteen hundred and it's where the Devil's Punch

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl located. Driving through it, Betsy gets a case of

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<v Speaker 2>deja vu.

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<v Speaker 4>I had anxiety coming to places like this because it

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<v Speaker 4>reminds me of like a town that I grew up

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<v Speaker 4>and there's just just like I feel, the oppressive weight

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<v Speaker 4>of boredom. Oh really. I moved to La several years

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<v Speaker 4>ago from South Louisiana. I had never been to Anelo

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<v Speaker 4>Valley before, but it was immediately familiar to me because

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<v Speaker 4>if you were to replace desert with swamp, this region

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<v Speaker 4>would look a lot like the small town I'm from.

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<v Speaker 4>It's rural and kind of run down. There's more landscape

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<v Speaker 4>than real estate, lots of pickup trucks in town. Life

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<v Speaker 4>seems like a thing of the past.

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<v Speaker 9>We got.

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<v Speaker 1>An abandoned motel.

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<v Speaker 4>What's this oh, like an abandoned old restaurant and rec

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<v Speaker 4>hall and people getting gas to presumably be all their way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think the three stations in a

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<v Speaker 2>road tell the story.

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<v Speaker 4>But the closer we get to the Devil's Punch Bowl

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<v Speaker 4>where auj was last spotted, and other worldly landscape appears,

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<v Speaker 4>full of spiky joshua trees and sandstone columns.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually really beautiful out here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not expected to lay.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you looking at these huge rocks jutting out of

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<v Speaker 2>the ground and like they're making all those crazy shadows?

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<v Speaker 2>For seeing anything like them, I haven't either.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've been an old Western movie, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like we're just got this like wide epic landscape shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Total endless horizons, totally endless horizons.

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<v Speaker 4>I can see why John aj likes to come out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty pretty umpig.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we are pulling into the Devil's Punch Bowl County

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<v Speaker 2>Park parking lot.

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<v Speaker 9>Here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We've come here to retrace John Aujay's last known steps

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<v Speaker 2>and to meet with ranger Jack Farley. He was working

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<v Speaker 2>on the punch Bowl the day the deputy disappeared.

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<v Speaker 12>Hi are you?

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<v Speaker 13>But are you Jack?

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<v Speaker 4>Farley by chance, I am. This is my reporting partner, Haley, nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, Thank you for meeting us out here. Yes, Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Farley's retired now, but for thirty five years he was

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<v Speaker 2>assigned to work the punch Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>What a cool job.

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<v Speaker 13>Great for me, Yeah, it was awesome, good job.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Farley's job to keep an eye on things,

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<v Speaker 2>to tend the grounds and patrol the area. So he

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<v Speaker 2>noticed when auj became a regular at the punch Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>and he clocked Aujay's regular parking space the one closest

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<v Speaker 2>to the trailhead.

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<v Speaker 13>So I can remember seeing him sitting in the back

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<v Speaker 13>of his truck when you get done with a run

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<v Speaker 13>in the mountains. So when I'd walk out into the

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<v Speaker 13>parking lot, I'd see him sitting out there and ask

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<v Speaker 13>him about his run.

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<v Speaker 2>Farley remembers that the day all Jay disappeared, his white

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<v Speaker 2>Ford F one fifty truck was parked in that very

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<v Speaker 2>same spot, surrounded on all sides by wilderness.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that impresses us so much about this area

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<v Speaker 4>is that you have a desert landscape on one side,

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<v Speaker 4>you have mountains and forests on the other, and then

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<v Speaker 4>in between it's these really cool rock formations.

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<v Speaker 13>Right, it's all uplifted from earthquake activity. Oh wow, that's

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<v Speaker 13>a punch bowl fault and that runs parallel with the mountains.

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<v Speaker 13>And then when you came up to here, you cross

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<v Speaker 13>the San Andreas Fault, which of course the big one

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<v Speaker 13>that runs through California, several faults in the area. It

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<v Speaker 13>took all this sand that was laid down flat by

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<v Speaker 13>streams and tilted up into vertical relief.

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<v Speaker 2>And it creates a bowl shape.

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<v Speaker 13>You can see a definite bowl shape coming around like this. Well,

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<v Speaker 13>that's where it got the punch bowl name.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not totally sure about the devil part of it, though.

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<v Speaker 2>According to local lore, early homesteaders saw grinning devil in

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<v Speaker 2>the rock formations. We didn't see satan in the rock face,

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<v Speaker 2>but we did see something else thanks to a county

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<v Speaker 2>park employee named Dave Numar.

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<v Speaker 9>See this right where the shadow ends, there's that big

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<v Speaker 9>rock kind of all by itself. If you look, it's

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<v Speaker 9>like a forehead is facing us and there's a nose

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<v Speaker 9>pointing street.

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<v Speaker 4>It looks like George Washington.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's a natural not reshmre cool. So there's all

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<v Speaker 9>kinds of faces out here because it's like oh, our

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<v Speaker 9>brains are programmed to see patterns.

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<v Speaker 2>Pattern recognition is why we see gods and goddesses in

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<v Speaker 2>the stars and the man in the moon. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>a key part of criminal investigations, a way to turn

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<v Speaker 2>information into a story. And that's why we've come to

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<v Speaker 2>the Devil's punch bowl see if we can make sense

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened on June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight. So

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<v Speaker 2>we pull out a map we printed from the internet

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<v Speaker 2>because we're prepared journalists and elder millennials, and we present

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<v Speaker 2>it to Ranger farltly.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me show you what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, line will definitely better.

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<v Speaker 9>It's definitely get us lost in the wilderness.

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<v Speaker 2>Good God. Farley proves his outdoor prowess by whipping out

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<v Speaker 2>some real maps of the area to help orient us

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<v Speaker 2>to our surroundings.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, here's the Devil's Point.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, and there's Burkharp tree all right.

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<v Speaker 13>There goes over toward Devil's Chairs, so that'd be just

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<v Speaker 13>to the east, goes to south Fork.

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<v Speaker 2>One witness reported seeing auj near the picnic tables at

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<v Speaker 2>the main trailhead sometime before noon. This witness was a

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<v Speaker 2>local teacher there on a field trip with a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of elementary school kids, Auj stopped to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He pointed to a jaggon mountain in the distance, Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Baden Powell, and said that's where he was headed.

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<v Speaker 13>So the high mountain behind the telephone poll over there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 13>that's Baden Powell and that's where he would go sometimes.

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<v Speaker 13>How tall of the mountain, jeez, that is one of

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<v Speaker 13>the higher ones. Let me think ten thousand ten, I

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<v Speaker 13>mean in this range.

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<v Speaker 4>And he would run from here to that mountain all

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<v Speaker 4>the way over there and then run up it.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, he'd run over there, and then there're sitchbacks all

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<v Speaker 13>the way to the top of that mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>Auj was spotted again later in the day, when multiple

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<v Speaker 2>witnesses say they saw him jogging through a campground just

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<v Speaker 2>north of the mountain in the direction of the punch

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl parking lot. But when Farley left his post at

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<v Speaker 2>five PM, Auj's truck was still parked in the lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and it stayed parked there as the evening bloomed over

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<v Speaker 2>the desert, and then close to midnight, Auj's wife hold

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<v Speaker 2>the sheriff station to report him missing.

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<v Speaker 4>As June eleventh, nineteen ninety eight years its end. Debbie

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<v Speaker 4>Auja becomes increasingly panicked because her husband, Deputy John Auj,

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<v Speaker 4>told her he'd be home around dark and by now

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<v Speaker 4>he's several hours late. So she dials up one of

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<v Speaker 4>the shriff stations where Auja worked.

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<v Speaker 11>The call comes into the desk and it's from Debbie

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<v Speaker 11>and it says, hey, my husband, who's a deputy, he

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<v Speaker 11>went for a run and he didn't come home.

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<v Speaker 4>Vince Burton was a sergeant in the Antelope Valley. He

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<v Speaker 4>was also Auj's colleague and friend. So he gets on

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<v Speaker 4>the phone with Debbie.

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<v Speaker 11>She was just upset. She was crying. She was obviously

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<v Speaker 11>very concerned.

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<v Speaker 8>I just I said, Okay, Debbie, we're sending people up there,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, keep you posted.

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<v Speaker 4>Patrol deputies high tail it to the punch Bowl, where

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<v Speaker 4>they find Auj's truck, but no Auj. They think maybe

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<v Speaker 4>he got injured, slipped and fell for how to run

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<v Speaker 4>in with some wildlife. So Burton dispatches Search and Rescue

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<v Speaker 4>to the site and he calls in their coordinator, Dave Soer,

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<v Speaker 4>to discuss Auj's likely route.

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<v Speaker 11>And Dave comes in and we pull up a map

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<v Speaker 11>of the area.

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<v Speaker 8>And I told him at that time, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>John's a runner, and he goes yeah, and I said no,

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<v Speaker 8>he's a long distance run and he's an ultra marathoner.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like what.

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<v Speaker 4>Ultra marathoners are running extremists who power through long distances.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, Auj was scheduled to compete in a one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred mile run the week after he went missing. So

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<v Speaker 4>responders have a hard time wrapping their heads around the

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<v Speaker 4>scale of the search.

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<v Speaker 12>I gave them the best information I could give them.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, don't start your grid pattern so small.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Randy Meggerdley. He was a patrol deputy for

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<v Speaker 4>the Sheriff's Department and one of Auj's running buddies. He

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<v Speaker 4>reiterates to the command post that Auj was a beast.

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<v Speaker 12>You're running goat trails is basically what I categorize them as.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean by that goat trails?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, they're just megshift trails. Sometimes they'll be covered with snow,

0:20:52.811 --> 0:20:57.011
<v Speaker 12>sometimes they'll be covered with mud, crossing rivers. I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>it's crazy what kind of stuff that we were doing.

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<v Speaker 12>There was one that we did. It was hand over

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<v Speaker 12>foot trying to get up this mountain.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, and so part of the activity was figuring out

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<v Speaker 4>how to get to the end of it.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and one piece.

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<v Speaker 4>Hearing Meggridly talk about ultra marathoners, it sounds like they

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<v Speaker 4>have no off switch. So maybe Auj just overdid it.

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<v Speaker 12>Your brain does some wonky stuff when you're dehydrated, and

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<v Speaker 12>they thought maybe he got on the trail and he

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<v Speaker 12>was doing the forest gump just kept running.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a theory that Auj was doing the forest Gump

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<v Speaker 4>and just kept running and got himself into a tailspin

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<v Speaker 4>of dehydration. Responders take note and fan out across the

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<v Speaker 4>search grid.

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<v Speaker 13>I was nice to him, I said, do you know

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<v Speaker 13>I know the area pretty well if you guys want help?

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<v Speaker 4>Ranger Jack Farley again, and the guy.

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<v Speaker 13>Goes, no, we're search and rescue. We pretty much know

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<v Speaker 13>what we're doing, you know. So I go okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't take long for the pros realize they're

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<v Speaker 4>in over their heads.

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<v Speaker 13>So then they're going, hey, are you the guy that

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<v Speaker 13>knows the area? You know, maybe you could give us

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<v Speaker 13>a little help.

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<v Speaker 4>So Farley leads a few groups of deputies and bloodhounds

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<v Speaker 4>down the local trails.

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<v Speaker 13>At one time thought they caught a scent and it

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<v Speaker 13>went up on the trail going toward the Burckhart Trail,

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<v Speaker 13>and we had talked about someone saying they heard a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 13>You can't see the house from here, but it's like

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<v Speaker 13>a half mile below the trail up there where the

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<v Speaker 13>people lived that said.

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<v Speaker 4>They heard that the dogs pick up a scent. Possibly

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<v Speaker 4>Auja is on a trail that's near a local resident.

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<v Speaker 4>That guy reported to searchers that he heard a single

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<v Speaker 4>gunshot at sunset the day Auj vanished. It's a detail

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<v Speaker 4>the Sheriff's department registers as a potential clue.

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<v Speaker 13>So I took a group of deputies over there and

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<v Speaker 13>we went that really rugged wooded canyon.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't find anything, but searchers do spot some footprints

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<v Speaker 4>on the mountain where Auj told people he was going.

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<v Speaker 4>So Auja's captain, Mike Bauer, takes to the skies to

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<v Speaker 4>see where they lead.

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<v Speaker 5>And that was the first time I ever stepped out

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<v Speaker 5>of a huge helicopter on the side of a mountain

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<v Speaker 5>with one skid touching, and then that helicopter flew off

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<v Speaker 5>while we examined the openings a big horn mine to

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<v Speaker 5>see whether or not it had been broken into.

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<v Speaker 4>Bighorn is a mine on top of the mountain leftover

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<v Speaker 4>from the gold rush days. Its entrance has been welded

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<v Speaker 4>shut to keep out hikers, and when the helicopter lands,

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<v Speaker 4>nineties action movie style Bowers crew finds no signs of

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<v Speaker 4>a break in. Aujay's reported missing late Thursday night. By

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day Sunday, the Sheriff's Department kicks

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<v Speaker 4>things into high gear. They call in the US Army

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<v Speaker 4>and Air Force along with the LASD heavy hitters. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a specialized squad called Emergency Services Detail or ESD.

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<v Speaker 3>They do search and rescue, underwater search and recovery, and

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<v Speaker 3>they support the special Weapons team with medical skills.

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<v Speaker 4>Dave Rathman was one of the ESD members sent out

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<v Speaker 4>to search for.

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<v Speaker 3>Auj and the adrenaline that you get from ESD is

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<v Speaker 3>different from any other adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 4>ESD deputies are equips to handle all types of emergency scenarios.

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<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't just the rocky ledges and wild animals

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<v Speaker 4>they had to worry about here. The area was full

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<v Speaker 4>of all kinds of criminal activity.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things they told our search teams on

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<v Speaker 3>day one was John may have stumbled into a meth

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<v Speaker 3>lab by accident. So that was told to us when

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<v Speaker 3>we were out searching. And the reason they told us

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<v Speaker 3>is they recommend it we take weapons.

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<v Speaker 4>Rathman and his team of searchers come to the punch

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<v Speaker 4>Bowl armed and ready for action because maybe Auj isn't

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<v Speaker 4>lost or injured or running for the hills. Maybe he's

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<v Speaker 4>the victim of foul play. The command post doesn't expand

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<v Speaker 4>on why they thought Auj may have been taken out

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<v Speaker 4>by meth related violence, but to Rathbun this theory doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>sound too far fetched because the Anelo Valley is isolated

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<v Speaker 4>outlawsh and on account of its size, difficult to police.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of people who just don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be around other human beings out there, which makes

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<v Speaker 3>them sometimes dangerous. There's people cooking meth. Ah. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit like the Old West in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is a very unusual, strange place.

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<v Speaker 4>And remember that abandoned mind searcher scoped out. Well, it

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<v Speaker 4>turns out they're everywhere and they are a prime location

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<v Speaker 4>for body dumbing.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things ESD did was recover dead bodies

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<v Speaker 3>from mines.

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<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't just the mines. Corpses turn up all

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<v Speaker 4>over these parts.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if all the dead bodies that were up

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<v Speaker 3>there from being deliberately disposed of, stood up and once

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<v Speaker 3>they'd be shoulder to shoulder.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a chilling image of the area's darker side. Auj

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<v Speaker 4>would jog from the Devil's Punch Bowl into the Angelus

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<v Speaker 4>National Forest, which has been called the most dangerous national

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<v Speaker 4>forest in America. Around the time of Auji's disappearance, it's

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<v Speaker 4>estimated that two to three dozen corpses turned up in

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<v Speaker 4>the forest every year, and those were just the ones

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<v Speaker 4>that were found. So Rathman understands the danger he faces,

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<v Speaker 4>but pushes on in search of footprints.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to look at the ground and look at

0:27:01.131 --> 0:27:03.811
<v Speaker 3>bushes that have been pushed in. We walked and walked

0:27:03.811 --> 0:27:06.090
<v Speaker 3>and walked and walked and walked and walked, and we

0:27:06.211 --> 0:27:09.971
<v Speaker 3>generally don't give up until it's just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>The search is taxing for Rathban physically and emotionally, because

0:27:16.571 --> 0:27:18.691
<v Speaker 2>he and Auj were friends, and back in the early

0:27:18.771 --> 0:27:21.211
<v Speaker 2>nineties they were even partners.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was me that needed cover, he'd be there.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even think about it. Someone you could definitely

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<v Speaker 3>depend on.

0:27:30.091 --> 0:27:33.011
<v Speaker 2>Rathbin and Auj spent a lot of time driving around together,

0:27:33.811 --> 0:27:36.371
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't sit around riffing like partners in a

0:27:36.371 --> 0:27:37.251
<v Speaker 2>buddy cop movie.

0:27:38.531 --> 0:27:42.850
<v Speaker 3>He was laconic, didn't have a lot to say unless

0:27:42.891 --> 0:27:47.571
<v Speaker 3>you worked on him, and he was always kind of

0:27:47.611 --> 0:27:49.651
<v Speaker 3>severe serious.

0:27:50.211 --> 0:27:53.811
<v Speaker 2>Auj was hardly two dimensional, though he used his dead

0:27:53.851 --> 0:27:56.370
<v Speaker 2>pan personality to mess with people.

0:27:57.731 --> 0:28:02.251
<v Speaker 3>He had this secret sense of humor, but it was

0:28:02.291 --> 0:28:05.251
<v Speaker 3>really hard to tell which card he was playing, the

0:28:05.291 --> 0:28:08.531
<v Speaker 3>funny card or the I'm John and I'm dead serious card.

0:28:10.731 --> 0:28:13.571
<v Speaker 2>One time, Rathbin and Auj had to chase down a suspect.

0:28:14.331 --> 0:28:17.090
<v Speaker 2>Rathbn was driving and he ends up reversing down a

0:28:17.091 --> 0:28:20.851
<v Speaker 2>one way street. They got the guy, but Auj.

0:28:20.771 --> 0:28:24.411
<v Speaker 3>Looked pissed, and he added that Dave, I need to

0:28:24.451 --> 0:28:24.931
<v Speaker 3>talk to you.

0:28:26.451 --> 0:28:30.651
<v Speaker 2>Rathven's gotten pretty good at impersonating John Auj's baritone voice.

0:28:31.451 --> 0:28:33.451
<v Speaker 2>He says he sounded a lot like Lurch from the

0:28:33.451 --> 0:28:34.251
<v Speaker 2>Adams Family.

0:28:35.331 --> 0:28:39.611
<v Speaker 3>What you just did was a violation of California state law,

0:28:40.611 --> 0:28:42.571
<v Speaker 3>and if you do something like that again, I'll have

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<v Speaker 3>to write you up.

0:28:44.731 --> 0:28:45.051
<v Speaker 4>John.

0:28:45.211 --> 0:28:48.811
<v Speaker 3>We were chasing a suspect and we are law enforcement officers,

0:28:49.291 --> 0:28:54.211
<v Speaker 3>and so we get exemptions during those things that may

0:28:54.251 --> 0:29:00.651
<v Speaker 3>be true, but it was illegal. Is this John being funny?

0:29:00.811 --> 0:29:03.371
<v Speaker 3>You would not know, and he will never let you know.

0:29:06.291 --> 0:29:10.771
<v Speaker 2>Auj was hard to read. In fact, there's even confusion

0:29:10.851 --> 0:29:14.771
<v Speaker 2>over the pronunciation of his last name. His family says Oj,

0:29:15.611 --> 0:29:16.891
<v Speaker 2>but to his friends.

0:29:17.371 --> 0:29:20.691
<v Speaker 3>It was Auj, and he never corrected us. And he's

0:29:20.691 --> 0:29:21.931
<v Speaker 3>not very bashful.

0:29:23.291 --> 0:29:25.491
<v Speaker 2>We'll never know why he didn't tell people how to

0:29:25.531 --> 0:29:28.971
<v Speaker 2>pronounce his name, but it seems fitting for someone who

0:29:29.011 --> 0:29:32.971
<v Speaker 2>remains a mystery to so many. Auj was an enigma

0:29:33.131 --> 0:29:36.251
<v Speaker 2>to just about everyone around him, so when he disappeared,

0:29:36.451 --> 0:29:40.891
<v Speaker 2>he became an easy target for conspiracy theories. Stories began

0:29:40.971 --> 0:29:44.251
<v Speaker 2>to circulate that Auj's alive and well, living in Alaska.

0:29:44.611 --> 0:29:47.971
<v Speaker 2>Others say Mexico. Some say he was recruited by a

0:29:48.011 --> 0:29:53.011
<v Speaker 2>mercenary group or join the CIA. These theories were fueled

0:29:53.011 --> 0:29:56.771
<v Speaker 2>by weird comments Aj had made to friends like Dave rathmun.

0:29:57.931 --> 0:30:04.411
<v Speaker 3>Dave, Yes, you guys think you can find people with

0:30:04.491 --> 0:30:06.651
<v Speaker 3>your searches, and you think you're pretty good at it.

0:30:06.771 --> 0:30:06.971
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:30:08.331 --> 0:30:10.891
<v Speaker 3>I could go on the mountain and you'd never find me.

0:30:12.171 --> 0:30:14.491
<v Speaker 3>And I said, there are people who want to be

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<v Speaker 3>found that we can't find. So I'm not really impressed

0:30:18.011 --> 0:30:23.291
<v Speaker 3>with your with your declaration there, if you don't want

0:30:23.331 --> 0:30:26.211
<v Speaker 3>to be found, pretty sure I wouldn't be able to

0:30:26.251 --> 0:30:26.571
<v Speaker 3>find you.

0:30:26.691 --> 0:30:30.531
<v Speaker 2>So I agree, And of course that conversation takes on

0:30:30.691 --> 0:30:34.091
<v Speaker 2>extra meaning a searchers keep coming up empty handed.

0:30:34.971 --> 0:30:38.731
<v Speaker 3>I participated in that search until my feet were bloody,

0:30:39.491 --> 0:30:44.571
<v Speaker 3>as did several of my peers. But day six they said,

0:30:44.611 --> 0:30:47.491
<v Speaker 3>well shut it down. What do you mean, shut it down?

0:30:48.811 --> 0:30:51.451
<v Speaker 3>Who said that? Who gave that order? And shut this

0:30:51.491 --> 0:30:52.651
<v Speaker 3>thing down? What are you talking about?

0:30:52.691 --> 0:30:56.731
<v Speaker 2>Day six, the Sheriff's department folds the search after six

0:30:56.851 --> 0:31:00.531
<v Speaker 2>days and gives a statement to the press. Sergeant Sower,

0:31:00.691 --> 0:31:04.651
<v Speaker 2>one of the deputies overseeing the operation, says, quote, A

0:31:04.651 --> 0:31:07.131
<v Speaker 2>good analogy would be someone coming up to you and

0:31:07.171 --> 0:31:09.491
<v Speaker 2>giving you two to three pieces of a five one

0:31:09.571 --> 0:31:12.091
<v Speaker 2>hundred piece puzzle and asking you to guess what the

0:31:12.091 --> 0:31:15.411
<v Speaker 2>picture is. Throw into that a few pieces of an

0:31:15.571 --> 0:31:18.971
<v Speaker 2>entirely different puzzle, and that is what we work with.

0:31:19.611 --> 0:31:22.131
<v Speaker 2>We might never get it right. End quote.

0:31:23.131 --> 0:31:25.971
<v Speaker 3>You want to trust the department that they're doing the

0:31:26.051 --> 0:31:29.171
<v Speaker 3>right thing, But no one asked us if we should

0:31:29.211 --> 0:31:32.451
<v Speaker 3>shut it down. If I'm the search and rescue guy,

0:31:33.611 --> 0:31:36.371
<v Speaker 3>and my partners are search and rescue guys, and the

0:31:36.371 --> 0:31:39.451
<v Speaker 3>helicopter pilots have been on hundreds of searches. Why are

0:31:39.491 --> 0:31:41.931
<v Speaker 3>we asking them what they think and their input?

0:31:43.131 --> 0:31:46.651
<v Speaker 2>Rathman says searches for missing hikers typically last seven to

0:31:46.691 --> 0:31:50.771
<v Speaker 2>fourteen days, depending on the viability of the person. Paul

0:31:50.851 --> 0:31:54.211
<v Speaker 2>Jay was not your typical hiker, and given his personal

0:31:54.251 --> 0:31:57.851
<v Speaker 2>and professional connection to the Sheriff's Department, it seems like

0:31:57.891 --> 0:32:00.531
<v Speaker 2>the LASD would go the extra mile to find it.

0:32:01.531 --> 0:32:05.091
<v Speaker 3>So it's six days you cancel or search for somebody

0:32:05.091 --> 0:32:08.371
<v Speaker 3>who can run fifty or one hundred miles in the wilderness,

0:32:09.571 --> 0:32:12.571
<v Speaker 3>really knows the wilderness is good or better than anybody

0:32:12.651 --> 0:32:15.531
<v Speaker 3>in ESD. They set it down. Why are you shutting

0:32:15.531 --> 0:32:15.891
<v Speaker 3>it down?

0:32:17.291 --> 0:32:20.931
<v Speaker 2>The Sheriff's Department tells the public that Auj disappeared without

0:32:20.931 --> 0:32:24.171
<v Speaker 2>a trace and that they're ending the search because they're

0:32:24.171 --> 0:32:28.131
<v Speaker 2>just spinning their wheels. But behind the scenes, they're telling

0:32:28.251 --> 0:32:29.611
<v Speaker 2>a very different story.

0:32:30.691 --> 0:32:51.851
<v Speaker 15>Well, they say that they decided he committed suicide.

0:32:59.851 --> 0:33:03.531
<v Speaker 4>Internal LASD reports planing that Auj was distraught over his

0:33:03.611 --> 0:33:06.371
<v Speaker 4>failing marriage and took his own life in the punch bowl.

0:33:07.531 --> 0:33:10.491
<v Speaker 4>That gunshot. The area resident heard that could have been

0:33:10.491 --> 0:33:13.011
<v Speaker 4>the sound of auj just putting an end to it all,

0:33:14.251 --> 0:33:17.491
<v Speaker 4>But the Sheriff's department makes that determination without a body.

0:33:18.091 --> 0:33:22.491
<v Speaker 4>They don't find any remains, blood, bullets, or a suicide note.

0:33:23.131 --> 0:33:23.491
<v Speaker 5>Nothing.

0:33:24.611 --> 0:33:26.451
<v Speaker 4>The only thing they think they may have found of

0:33:26.451 --> 0:33:29.371
<v Speaker 4>Aujay's was an energy bar wrapper left on one of

0:33:29.411 --> 0:33:32.651
<v Speaker 4>the trails. From what we can tell, there's not a

0:33:32.691 --> 0:33:35.931
<v Speaker 4>lot pointing to suicide, so we reach out to Aujay's

0:33:35.971 --> 0:33:38.411
<v Speaker 4>colleagues and friends to get their thoughts.

0:33:39.011 --> 0:33:42.611
<v Speaker 14>He was obviously down, he was obviously upset, but was

0:33:42.691 --> 0:33:44.131
<v Speaker 14>it enough to commit suicide?

0:33:45.371 --> 0:33:48.451
<v Speaker 4>Sergeant Vince Burden is still on the fence. On the

0:33:48.491 --> 0:33:51.811
<v Speaker 4>one hand, Aj did appear torn up over his marital problems.

0:33:52.531 --> 0:33:54.531
<v Speaker 4>On the other he seemed to be coping.

0:33:55.491 --> 0:33:59.131
<v Speaker 14>Would you be telling me about your ultra marathon if

0:33:59.131 --> 0:34:01.531
<v Speaker 14>you were just going to end it all? Would you

0:34:01.611 --> 0:34:04.531
<v Speaker 14>even be planning to go run at the punch Bowl,

0:34:04.571 --> 0:34:06.091
<v Speaker 14>which is an ugly area anyway?

0:34:06.891 --> 0:34:10.051
<v Speaker 4>For fact checking purposes, we want to make clear is

0:34:10.091 --> 0:34:10.731
<v Speaker 4>not ugly.

0:34:11.571 --> 0:34:14.491
<v Speaker 14>But go on, Vince, None of that made sense to me.

0:34:14.571 --> 0:34:15.451
<v Speaker 14>With the suicide.

0:34:16.571 --> 0:34:20.651
<v Speaker 4>Frady's running buddy Randy Meggerley, there's no question.

0:34:21.211 --> 0:34:21.971
<v Speaker 12>Plain and simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he killed himself.

0:34:23.731 --> 0:34:25.291
<v Speaker 12>That's the only way I can explain it.

0:34:26.131 --> 0:34:29.731
<v Speaker 4>Because he says Auj was acting strangely, even more strangely

0:34:29.731 --> 0:34:32.331
<v Speaker 4>than usual in the weeks before his disappearance.

0:34:33.131 --> 0:34:36.091
<v Speaker 12>He says, you know, there's a bunch of caves and

0:34:36.131 --> 0:34:40.451
<v Speaker 12>stuff out here, you can pretty much disappear I think

0:34:40.651 --> 0:34:43.331
<v Speaker 12>was the word that he used, and nobody would ever

0:34:43.371 --> 0:34:43.731
<v Speaker 12>find you.

0:34:45.291 --> 0:34:48.890
<v Speaker 4>Auj said similar things to Dave Rathman, but he didn't

0:34:48.891 --> 0:34:50.851
<v Speaker 4>put a lot of stock into any of the statements

0:34:51.451 --> 0:34:54.250
<v Speaker 4>because he says, Aujay is just a weird guy.

0:34:55.491 --> 0:34:59.091
<v Speaker 3>Our unit was next to a big, giant duck pond,

0:34:59.091 --> 0:35:01.171
<v Speaker 3>and one of the ways we used to make jokes

0:35:01.171 --> 0:35:03.291
<v Speaker 3>about each other is kind of like, where do you

0:35:03.331 --> 0:35:06.931
<v Speaker 3>fit in the duck pond? John was an I don't

0:35:07.131 --> 0:35:09.771
<v Speaker 3>malign him, but he was one of the oddest ducks

0:35:09.771 --> 0:35:12.331
<v Speaker 3>in the punt, which is good, right. You need him,

0:35:12.571 --> 0:35:14.851
<v Speaker 3>You don't want everybody swim in the same.

0:35:16.491 --> 0:35:20.531
<v Speaker 4>Initially, Rathbin was open to the possibility of suicide, but

0:35:20.611 --> 0:35:24.971
<v Speaker 4>he's become increasingly skeptical over time because if Aoja had

0:35:25.091 --> 0:35:28.291
<v Speaker 4>killed himself, he thinks his body or some trace of

0:35:28.371 --> 0:35:32.131
<v Speaker 4>him would have turned up by now, so Auji's colleagues

0:35:32.131 --> 0:35:35.131
<v Speaker 4>are divided on what happened to him. It's kind of

0:35:35.171 --> 0:35:37.331
<v Speaker 4>like those faces seen in the rocks at the Devil's

0:35:37.331 --> 0:35:42.891
<v Speaker 4>Punch Bowl. Same details, but interpreted in different ways. And

0:35:42.931 --> 0:35:46.210
<v Speaker 4>that makes sense because we feel conflicted about it too.

0:35:47.251 --> 0:35:50.891
<v Speaker 4>Auja did say some eerie things about disappearing, but this

0:35:50.971 --> 0:35:54.451
<v Speaker 4>disappearing act would be pretty hard to pull off. I mean,

0:35:54.531 --> 0:35:57.091
<v Speaker 4>how could he have buried himself and stay buried for

0:35:57.171 --> 0:36:03.091
<v Speaker 4>almost three decades. Rathbin asked the Sheriff's department to explain

0:36:03.171 --> 0:36:03.531
<v Speaker 4>that one.

0:36:04.411 --> 0:36:07.051
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so well, we think he might have sat on

0:36:07.131 --> 0:36:10.131
<v Speaker 3>the edge of one of those mines and blowing himself

0:36:10.171 --> 0:36:15.931
<v Speaker 3>into the mind thinking, okay, we are really stretching now

0:36:16.171 --> 0:36:21.851
<v Speaker 3>for an explanation as to whine we can't find him.

0:36:21.891 --> 0:36:27.331
<v Speaker 5>I didn't accept it. Just common sense told me you

0:36:27.411 --> 0:36:30.331
<v Speaker 5>probably ought to see whether there's any evidence of self infliction.

0:36:32.131 --> 0:36:35.851
<v Speaker 2>Pissed off Old copp. Mike Bauer is evangelical in his

0:36:35.891 --> 0:36:40.291
<v Speaker 2>belief that the suicide theory is bullshit, because he says

0:36:40.651 --> 0:36:44.651
<v Speaker 2>the Sheriff's Department didn't arrive at this conclusion, they led

0:36:44.691 --> 0:36:48.411
<v Speaker 2>with it, and that poisoned the investigation. From the start.

0:36:49.691 --> 0:36:52.651
<v Speaker 2>Bower says that as early as day three, an LASD

0:36:52.771 --> 0:36:56.931
<v Speaker 2>official was pushing the suicide narrative during search team briefings.

0:36:57.411 --> 0:37:01.250
<v Speaker 2>To Bauer, this was equivalent to telling searchers to let up.

0:37:02.731 --> 0:37:06.531
<v Speaker 5>I took that person outside, and I said, what and

0:37:06.571 --> 0:37:09.411
<v Speaker 5>the hell did you say that for? How could you

0:37:09.611 --> 0:37:13.171
<v Speaker 5>possibly know that at this point? How could you possibly

0:37:13.251 --> 0:37:16.571
<v Speaker 5>discourage them to search for somebody that worked for you?

0:37:17.971 --> 0:37:21.411
<v Speaker 2>The Sheriff's department was even sharing this theory with the press.

0:37:21.891 --> 0:37:24.531
<v Speaker 7>We haven't ruled out the possibility of suicide, but we

0:37:24.571 --> 0:37:26.291
<v Speaker 7>don't have any evidence to support that.

0:37:26.291 --> 0:37:27.331
<v Speaker 11>That's what he came here to do.

0:37:28.611 --> 0:37:31.651
<v Speaker 2>Bow are things that's irresponsible to promote the suicide theory

0:37:31.691 --> 0:37:34.651
<v Speaker 2>without a high degree of certainty. So he prodded the

0:37:34.651 --> 0:37:36.250
<v Speaker 2>department to keep investigating.

0:37:37.171 --> 0:37:42.131
<v Speaker 5>I kept contacting homicide and saying something's wrong. I'm telling

0:37:42.171 --> 0:37:43.931
<v Speaker 5>you there's a problem.

0:37:44.331 --> 0:37:46.651
<v Speaker 2>But he says, the department ignored the case to such

0:37:46.691 --> 0:37:49.491
<v Speaker 2>an extent that he began to question their motives.

0:37:50.411 --> 0:37:53.451
<v Speaker 5>Nobody was in charge of it, and nobody wanted any

0:37:53.491 --> 0:37:56.771
<v Speaker 5>of it once they saw how stinky it was getting.

0:38:01.291 --> 0:38:05.051
<v Speaker 4>Randy meggerdly represents the other end of the spectrum, so

0:38:05.091 --> 0:38:07.771
<v Speaker 4>we ask him what he thinks about the possibility of

0:38:07.811 --> 0:38:08.451
<v Speaker 4>foul play.

0:38:09.531 --> 0:38:12.171
<v Speaker 12>I refer to myself as a mushroom. They just feed

0:38:12.211 --> 0:38:14.091
<v Speaker 12>me a little bit of poop every once in a while.

0:38:14.451 --> 0:38:16.770
<v Speaker 12>I wasn't in the know on that whole thing.

0:38:17.411 --> 0:38:19.611
<v Speaker 4>I've never heard the mushroom poop bataphor before.

0:38:19.931 --> 0:38:22.011
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, yeah, you seed you a little bit of poopy,

0:38:22.611 --> 0:38:23.571
<v Speaker 12>you grow a little bit.

0:38:26.171 --> 0:38:29.411
<v Speaker 4>At first, the mushroom poop analogy went way over my head.

0:38:30.011 --> 0:38:32.731
<v Speaker 4>It sounded like a Southern expression. My mom just forgot

0:38:32.771 --> 0:38:35.851
<v Speaker 4>to teach me. But then it clicked while I was

0:38:35.891 --> 0:38:39.770
<v Speaker 4>watching The Departed, the Martin Scorsese movie about corruption within

0:38:39.811 --> 0:38:41.171
<v Speaker 4>the Boston Police Department.

0:38:41.931 --> 0:38:44.810
<v Speaker 10>My theory Unfeeds is they're like mushrooms, feed them shit

0:38:44.851 --> 0:38:45.611
<v Speaker 10>and keep in the dock.

0:38:47.131 --> 0:38:49.651
<v Speaker 4>I think what Meggerdley is saying is that he doesn't

0:38:49.691 --> 0:38:52.171
<v Speaker 4>ask a lot of questions because he prefers to be

0:38:52.251 --> 0:38:54.810
<v Speaker 4>kept in the dark about things that don't concern him.

0:38:55.571 --> 0:38:58.691
<v Speaker 4>And who can really blame him? I mean, law enforcement

0:38:58.691 --> 0:39:03.330
<v Speaker 4>agencies are not exactly known for their culture of transparency.

0:39:03.691 --> 0:39:07.651
<v Speaker 3>That file, you'd have to get special, special permission to

0:39:07.651 --> 0:39:08.411
<v Speaker 3>touch that file.

0:39:09.651 --> 0:39:13.571
<v Speaker 4>Dave Rathman Audi's former partner says, the Sheriff's department is

0:39:13.691 --> 0:39:18.011
<v Speaker 4>unusually protective of the AUJ case file and they don't.

0:39:17.811 --> 0:39:22.811
<v Speaker 3>Even like to hear you talking about it. Well, to me,

0:39:23.131 --> 0:39:26.451
<v Speaker 3>that's what you would call a red flag.

0:39:28.651 --> 0:39:32.091
<v Speaker 4>So Rafman asked his buddy, a retired detective working cold

0:39:32.091 --> 0:39:35.091
<v Speaker 4>cases for the Sheriff's apartment, to review the AUJ case.

0:39:36.171 --> 0:39:39.770
<v Speaker 3>Could you maybe grab that case file? And he went,

0:39:39.851 --> 0:39:43.171
<v Speaker 3>oh no. I said, what do you mean, no, No,

0:39:44.291 --> 0:39:46.411
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't you want to take a look at it?

0:39:46.531 --> 0:39:48.691
<v Speaker 3>He said, no, that's a hot potato. No one's allowed

0:39:48.691 --> 0:39:51.251
<v Speaker 3>to touch that. If I start poking around that case,

0:39:51.891 --> 0:39:55.770
<v Speaker 3>they'd let me go. I said, well, that's interesting. Why

0:39:55.811 --> 0:40:00.611
<v Speaker 3>it's a suicide. He said, I don't know. I just

0:40:00.771 --> 0:40:03.171
<v Speaker 3>know that that case can't be touched.

0:40:05.171 --> 0:40:08.571
<v Speaker 4>Those red flags are another reason Rathbin and others just

0:40:08.691 --> 0:40:11.291
<v Speaker 4>can't get behind the party line.

0:40:11.731 --> 0:40:14.891
<v Speaker 3>As my father would say, God bless him, there's something

0:40:14.931 --> 0:40:19.331
<v Speaker 3>rotten in the woodpile and it stinks and I can.

0:40:19.211 --> 0:40:25.051
<v Speaker 4>Smell it, and that brings us back to the poop mushroom.

0:40:25.651 --> 0:40:28.891
<v Speaker 4>It might thrive in darkness, but to me, that's not

0:40:29.011 --> 0:40:33.091
<v Speaker 4>an ideal environment for policing. I mean the whole concept

0:40:33.171 --> 0:40:38.331
<v Speaker 4>behind law enforcement isn't watchfulized deter crime, right, but who

0:40:38.411 --> 0:40:41.571
<v Speaker 4>is watching the police? There's very little oversight of law

0:40:41.651 --> 0:40:45.051
<v Speaker 4>enforcement agencies, and it's hard to hold them accountable since

0:40:45.171 --> 0:40:49.251
<v Speaker 4>they control the collection and release of information about internal problems.

0:40:49.891 --> 0:40:52.651
<v Speaker 5>The philosophy of the Sheriff's department is to hide it,

0:40:53.451 --> 0:40:56.011
<v Speaker 5>and the philosophy of government in a lot of respects

0:40:56.571 --> 0:40:59.251
<v Speaker 5>is that way. Now, with the terrible way they handle

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<v Speaker 5>public records requests and stuff, they just basically stonewall. They

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<v Speaker 5>give you the middle finger. If you're asking for something

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<v Speaker 5>that the public has a right to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about it, Bauer, we tried with those public

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<v Speaker 2>records requests and got the proverbial middle finger. Without access

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<v Speaker 2>to the information, it's hard for us to know how

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<v Speaker 2>the Sheriff's department handled the Auj case, and we'd remain

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark if it weren't for Mike Bauer and

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<v Speaker 2>other deputies coming forward. Bauer retired in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>two and has spent the better part of his retirement

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<v Speaker 2>investigating Auj's disappearance, and he's uncovered what looks like some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty damning information about the Sheriff's department.

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<v Speaker 3>They lied to me. They lied to me.

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<v Speaker 5>As a fucking captain of the fucking Sheriff's department with

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<v Speaker 5>thirty three years on the job, they fucking lie to

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<v Speaker 5>me while I'm in charge of Sheriff's intelligence. They're fucking

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<v Speaker 5>lying to me about what they're doing in homicide to

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<v Speaker 5>shut this thing up. They don't want me involved in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh imagine that's.

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<v Speaker 5>How fancy that is.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that law enforcement has its problems, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>not usually laid out for us by dyed in the

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<v Speaker 2>wool cops, people who know this world from the inside

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<v Speaker 2>and can show us where the bodies are buried. Figuratively speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>we tell Bauer we want to do a deep dive

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<v Speaker 2>on the Aujy case, beginning with his investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>You guys have stumbled into a cluster of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not as encouraging as we expect him to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have any advice for us while looking into

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<v Speaker 4>this disappearance.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't do it alone. In the event somebody did

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<v Speaker 5>decide that you were getting too close to something, you

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<v Speaker 5>will not be found killed. You will simply disappear.

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<v Speaker 2>This season on Valley of Shadows.

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<v Speaker 3>Early on I let the suicide theory sit at fifty

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<v Speaker 3>to fifty. As I've learned more and more, I'm at

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<v Speaker 3>about ninety five murder, five to ten percent suicide.

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<v Speaker 4>They rumor around the drug scene was that a deputy

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<v Speaker 4>stumbled onto something he shouldn't have and he was taken

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<v Speaker 4>care of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, it's shit on the street minute, bugie. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get suicide. He was murdered. I'm hearing for more

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<v Speaker 1>than one person that.

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<v Speaker 3>I started hearing some rumors that there was a.

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<v Speaker 8>Gun, and yet there's no indication that gun was ever

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<v Speaker 8>booked into evidence.

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<v Speaker 10>If you're at it or they thought you were gonna

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<v Speaker 10>rat it wasn't. Hey, don't do that ever again, you're done.

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<v Speaker 10>They got rid of you. So that's where the murders

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<v Speaker 10>came in.

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<v Speaker 2>He was describing with his hands and his arms and

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<v Speaker 2>his whole body where this cap was buried at.

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<v Speaker 5>In other words, it's not safe not because of criminals,

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<v Speaker 5>it's not safe because of law enforcement. And there's nothing

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<v Speaker 5>worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, dude, we're getting like far out in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of nowhere and no one knows we're out here.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to be careful where you go and who

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<v Speaker 1>you talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have any information or tips related to the

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<v Speaker 2>disappearance of John Aujay, please call two one three two

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<v Speaker 2>six two nine eight eight nine or email Shadows at

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<v Speaker 2>pushkin dot Fm. Valley of Shadows is reported, written and

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<v Speaker 2>produced by us Haley Fox and Betsy Sheppard. Our editor

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<v Speaker 2>is Dianne Hodson. Our executive producers are Jacob Smith and

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<v Speaker 2>Alexandra Garreton. Original music by Jake Gorski, Ray Lynch, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Jersich and Hayden Guard. Sound designed by Jake Gorski, fact

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<v Speaker 2>checking by Aica Robbins. Additional production support by Sonia Gerwick

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<v Speaker 2>and our show art was designed by Sean Carney and

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<v Speaker 2>Betsy Shepherd. Special thanks to Nick White for show art photography.

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