WEBVTT - Group Chat: Don't Get Testerical with Josh Bard & Kelaine Conochan 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.520 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're once. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:07.640 Again reminding you not to eat the yellow snow. It's Tuesday, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:10.559 December tenth, and on today's show, our friends Kalain Conahan, 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.000 VP of Global Sales and creative mastermind for Legends, and 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.439 Josh Bart, producer for ESPNS Around the Horn make their 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.079 triumphant return to group Chat. We'll talk college hoops, the 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.680 rules of engagement for coed adult sports, how to pick 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.319 an unrival team, and the new women's sports show coming 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:26.760 to Disney. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:28.880 Plus, it's all coming up right after this. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.920 Welcome Back Slices tomorrow. We're going to bring you all 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:39.680 the news you need to know. But there was so 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:41.600 much to chat with Kalein and Josh about. We're going 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.000 to get right into that conversation. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:43.879 Here it is. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.320 It's time for another group chat where we take the 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.600 tea from the text and bring it on to the airwaves. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.240 We've got to repeat appearance from my faves Collein and Josh. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.680 First up, she's a VP of Global Sales and creative 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.880 mastermind for Legends. In the streets and an ultra marathoner 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.680 also in the streets, but maybe in the sheets. We 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.160 don't know we made homemade candles and bass scrubs together 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.319 in OHI like two high class hippie bitches. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.560 It's Clay Conahan. What's up, Klaid? 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.840 Oh, it's so good to be here. Sarah actually was 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.520 burning one of the candles just like a few hours ago, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.560 so it still has that crembrulat eminence around here. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:19.679 Amazing joining her. 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.280 He's a producer for ESPN's Around the Horn, eighteen years 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.480 at the show and counting. When filling out the Katuba 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.200 wedding contract at his recent nuptials, he accidentally signed as 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:31.000 the bride. Now that's allyship in action. It's Josh Bard. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.160 What's up? Josh? 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.960 Read everything twice? People just read things twice before you'd 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:36.560 sign once. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.880 You're a beautiful bride. Welcome back. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.640 You two, so happy to have you. Let's start with 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.880 college basketball. I had a great conversation with Alexa philipp 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.800 Who the other day that really caught our listeners and 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.320 me up on the biggest stories. But I want to 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.280 ask y'all, as two diehards, if there's any teams or 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.120 players you want to give a shout to, any storylines 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:58.920 you've been dying to talk about or get a hot 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.480 take out about Josh, Let's start with you. You're full of takes. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.720 Full of takes. I've heard a lot of them. I've 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.720 tried to pick a take that I hadn't heard too 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.480 much of after listening to Let's send you. The team 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.920 that I am most I would say interested in that 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.240 I don't here talked about all the time, the Texas Longhorns. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.240 I really liked Madison Booker, the way she played last year. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.160 I'm super excited to see her back. They brought back 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.320 their top four scores from last year. They added a 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:31.560 chancefer from Miami and who's scoring eleven points in nineteen minutes. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.360 I looked that up today. Eleven points in nineteen minutes. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:38.800 It's crazy, so effective, inefficient. Yeah, I just I've always 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.160 liked this team. I think Vick Schaeffer is one of 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.520 the best coaches in the country that never ever gets 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.200 talked about on the level of you know, the Gino's 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.040 and the Kim Molkys and the John Staleys. Of course, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.280 he's just so good. I feel like he always makes 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.320 his players a lot better as a team. So, you know, 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.160 they joined the SEC this year. Obviously, that changes a 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.160 lot of things about their schedule. This is just a 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.000 team that I'm really going to be locked in on. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:05.720 I love it. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.960 Yeah, would she drop Texas as a team that could 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.040 maybe get to number one? 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.639 I was like, Okay, we like the spicy take. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.680 Colaine, you got any players, teams, storylines that you've been 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:16.639 dying to gab about. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.360 I mean, so, first off, I think one of the 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.799 things as we evaluate college basketball and where where things 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.800 are going to end in the end, because where we 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.160 are right now I think will be will continue to 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.360 be in flux. And I love the conference schedule because 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.480 I just think it chews up and spits out all 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.680 of the fakers, the impostors, and even some of the 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.000 real ones, and it leaves us really confused. And honestly, 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.880 I find that so much fun. And we're obviously getting 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:50.400 We're right on the precipice of conference play. The thing 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.720 that I'm always looking for, because again, I think it's 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.960 what bears fruit in conference tournaments as well as when 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.320 we get to the march madness. Do you have two 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.640 excellent guards who can carry the ball, create their own shot, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.640 and facilitate an offense, And I think you need one 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.880 reliable big. So I think there's a lot of contenders, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.240 and there's a lot of teams in discussion, and Alexa 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.039 mentioned many of them. I think Yukon has that. I 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.479 think if Sarah Strong continues to grow and develop, she's 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.960 to me's the She's the lynchpin in that because page 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.560 is gonna page right if Asy's healthy. Kk Arnold is impressive. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.279 So I think Yukon really has an opportunity, but I 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.520 think it really hinges on Sarah Strong's continued development. I've 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.080 been super impressed with what I've seen from UCLA. Again, 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.640 that's no surprise. Notre Dame, I think, also has that combination, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 and just we haven't seen us. We have not seen 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:49.039 a super healthy Matty Westbeld and I suppose this probably 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.359 won't surprise Josh or you, Sarah. But one team that 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:57.160 we haven't heard anything about is the University of Maryland Terrapins, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.320 who number seven in the polls. They started I think 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.000 twenty and have just continued eight. And oh and I 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.600 just want to put some respect on Brenda Freese's name. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.520 This coach continuously goes to the transfer portal and finds talent, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.000 and I think not only does she create an incredible team, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.240 but like there are players on this squad who are 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.000 like Cheyenne Cellars is a dog. Nobody talks about her. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.520 And again, I'm a homer went to Maryland. I love 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.840 this team. I have season tickets. But I'm telling you 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.880 that to sleep on this team is you're gonna get 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.400 showed up and spit up yourself. Because we talked about Vick. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.479 Totally agree, JB. I think Vick Schaeffer is an incredible coach. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.919 But I think Brenda her exes and o's and her 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.440 ability to get the best from her players and to 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.880 find what she needs is unmatched. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:48.080 Right. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.480 There's a reason that last year, with even a weaker 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.279 team in terms of personnel, that we were still able 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.800 to take We were still able to beat Ohio State 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.920 and still able to take Iowa to the wire. So 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.840 you know, I, I just want to make sure that 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:07.799 we're not we're not discounting the value of a coach. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.880 Yeah, and we do get stuck on a lot of 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.120 the same teams, particularly ones that had great success the 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.240 year before, have those big names, and then there's those 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.440 ones that are sitting in that top ten kind of 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.360 sneaky style. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.160 That we're going to have to address pretty soon before 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:20.520 we move on. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.240 Josh, I want to ask you quickly, did you have 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.920 a similar reaction to watching Haley van lift this year 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.719 where what we saw last year was so off that 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.760 you're like, is it her? Is it just the program? 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.880 Is it just the fit? Because she looks reborn at TCU. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.520 Yeah. I was thinking about that and I felt like 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.039 I should if I was going to bring her up, 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.560 I should come and apologize for the slander I've put 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.599 on her in the three by three in the Olympics. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:45.880 I think as soon as we talked about how bad 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.360 it was, how bad it was going, they totally turned 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.719 it around. They kind of looked like a team. Yeah, 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.880 this is another example of like a new fit, a 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.720 new space. You know, it's impossible to it feels like one. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:06:58.960 You know. 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.080 LSU is one of the the like ultimate conundrums in 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.039 my brain of like the players seem to mostly love 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.920 playing there and that's confusing to me. And yeah, you know, 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.400 like they certainly produced very good results there and that's inarguable, 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.320 and but she it didn't work for her. It just 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.400 did not work for her. It was an embarrassment I 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.480 think for her and the team probably the way that 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.000 season ended for them, together, and I kind of wrote 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.840 her off. I mean I certainly wrote her off talking 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.480 about the Olympics. In my brain, I wrote her off. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.840 And then when I saw what TCU was doing this 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.080 year and I was like, oh, that's where that's where 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:36.960 Hayley van Lyth went. It's it's awesome. I mean, like, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.920 this is what we want. We want players to find 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.640 the best fits. She was the best to watch and 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.240 root for at Louisville. She had that spunk, she had 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.440 that attitude she had. I mean, like Clay said, she 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.160 had that dog in her for sure, and it's nice 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.160 to see her get back to that. I absolutely one 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.200 of the cooler stories so far this year. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.600 While we're on the topic of TCU, quickly, Colaine, did 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.960 you have any to add to what Alexa said about 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.960 handling stories like Sadona Prince of TCU, Hannah Hidalgo of 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.880 Notre Dame. I won't repeat all the issues, but Hannah 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.600 reposted a Candice Owens Instagram calling gay marriage just in 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.440 Sadona Prince accusations of physical and verbal abuse. Ashton Watkins 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.120 at South Carolina wasn't even with the team for a 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.239 while because of charges first degree as Salt and battery 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.800 and kidnapping that were dismissed after she completed an intervention program. 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:25.960 I thought Alexa summed up a lot of it. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.720 Did you have anything to add because I think it's 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.160 interesting to see how we handle women who are problematic 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.680 versus men in the sports space. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.680 Yeah, I thought Alexa totally had and I know Sarah, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.560 you and I have talked about this. I thought Alexa 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.800 covered it really well that you don't want if the 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.880 amount of coverage of women's sports is so limited and 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.000 you're having an opportunity, you don't want to dedicate it 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.760 to the negative story because then the good stories don't 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.680 get out there in the mainstream. But I do think 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.360 that we're on the precipice of not having to play 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.080 that game anymore, and I'm I can't wait for us 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.400 to be able to hold people account of right. I 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.320 want my superstars to be superstars, and I want people 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.319 who have growth, you know, in their future, I want 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.760 them to be held accountable. I think that's important to 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.000 me as a fan. You know, I think you hear 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.679 all the time a lot of you heard Caitlin Clark 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.280 talking about how she looked up to Maya Moore and like, look, 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.440 what a role model that is, right, So many of 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.440 these athletes have a platform and an opportunity to impact 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.840 the next generation and even impact older generations their own cohort, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.959 and I think that responsibility is something that journalists also 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.280 have a responsibility to call attention to. So I think 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.760 we're getting to the point where, you know, your show 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.439 is a great platform, for example, where there's a balance 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.040 of coverage. We're already talking about the sports. So to 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.440 hold people accountable is I think it's it's necessary at 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.800 this point because it's not just a morsel. It's not 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.040 the only thing that we're covering about them. We can 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.400 know that TCU is having a resurgence season and that 0:09:55.520 --> 0:10:01.480 simultaneously Sadona Prince is maybe not an angel, and that's okay, right, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.160 we reckon with that. How do we reconcile that, How 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.480 do we recognize And I think I'm passionate about this 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.880 as well, that women can be complex, multi dimensional figures 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.360 as well, like we're not. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.440 We can be villains. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.240 Yeah yeah, And Josh, you know, you've been with Around 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.120 the Horn for almost twenty years. It's a place that 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.440 does a good job of covering women's sports. But certainly, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.240 it's still a much smaller percentage than the men's stories 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.000 that get covered. And I'm sure at times you've had 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.320 to address the idea of like, we can't only cover 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.720 this when somebody does something bad or wins it all. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.200 So how do you think about this this situation? 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.920 Yeah, I thought Clane, I agree with everything she said there, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.280 and I was going to actually just add something that 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.760 made me think of is like, it's not just players, right, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.440 it's teams. It's like what's happening with the Seattle storm 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.520 right now? You know that I think a lot of people, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.920 because we love the players and the coach of the 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.480 Las Vegas Aces, we look past or we didn't really 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.760 delve as deep into the stuff with Dereka hanby the 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.640 allegations that she had, And it's so it's not just 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.679 like that same kind of call out with the same 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.079 kind of responsibility that we have in holding people's feets 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.680 to the feet to the flames. Same for organizationally. I mean, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.160 you know, I just think that we, you know, like 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.560 Clain said, the more we're paying attention to women's sports, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.160 the more power that the players and organizations get. The more, 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.520 you know, the more responsibility they have to answer for 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:24.240 these things too. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:25.240 Yeah for sure. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.120 Okay, switching gears. I want to talk about co ed 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.839 adult sports. These can be an absolute blast. They can 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.400 also be a hotbed for trash behavior and a breeding 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.199 ground for completely unhinged folks who are stuck in their 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.599 glory days. And you two are the perfect people to 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.040 talk about this because you've been playing co ed hoops 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:50.000 together forever, and Colaiane you worked in adult co ed sports. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.040 So I can't think of two better people to help 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.679 me craft this official co ed adult sports etiquette code. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.200 So I'm going to bring one rule. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.240 I'm gonna need two from each of you to craft 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.760 this five rule code. But first, before we get started, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.080 I need a very quick fave anecdote from your co 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.160 ed sports, playing or working whatever it is. I'm gonna 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.880 do mine quickly. I played co ed top ball for 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.760 years and a friend of mine on the team. She 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:21.240 played collegiately, great player, killer arm absolute howitzer. And there's 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.680 a guy out in the field who just played for fun, 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.160 was not an athlete. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.720 And deep drive. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.520 He's out there, run and run and run in to 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.120 track it down, and he hits the cutoff woman next 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.719 to him. In the outfield to try to make the 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.120 play at the plate. She is not in the infield, 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.160 she is not closer to the play than he is. 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.840 He just knows that she's got an arm and he doesn't, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.720 and without thinking in that moment, he throws it about 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.160 twenty yards to her, maybe ten yards to her, so 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:49.120 that she can try. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:49.760 To go home with it. 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.240 And the knowledge and the awareness that she was the 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.160 person for the job. That's co ed sports at its 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.640 very best. So that's one of my favorites. Also, one time, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:01.800 Brad I definitely gave each other a. 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.720 Concussion, both trying to get a pick. 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.319 That wasn't as fun, But that's another perfect example of. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.200 Co ed adult sports. Just concussing your husband, all right, claim, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:11.840 what's your story? 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.720 So this is this goes to my recreational soccer. So 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.480 I played in ninety nine, seventy seven eleven v. Eleven 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.080 and I think the format that I was most proud of, 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.280 and it took us eleven seasons to win a championship, 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:32.800 eleven consecutive seasons. My team so emotional, and our premise 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.080 was the typical seven on seven co ed is five 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.719 men to women, and we flipped that. So we had 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.720 five women and two men, and the men had to 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.120 be gay, and so our this team we scrapped, got 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.600 it to be gay, and it was Tuesday nights. We 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.920 battled constantly. We're always always in the playoffs. You know, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.760 we made a semi finals a bunch of times, we 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.320 made the finals and lost. We were you know, the 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.760 Bridesmaids a bunch of times, and then again eleven seasons 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.920 and just the strife, the triumph of getting this team 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.679 over the hump and doing what they said the haters 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.240 wouldn't do, and to me, even the premise was fun. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.080 For a period of time, we were like, the thing 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.080 is that everyone on this team has to like Dick, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.200 and then we had less like we can't. We can't. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.480 Yeah, no, that doesn't work. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.640 We need but so emotional, great name, so emotional, great name, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.200 josh Uh. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.560 I would just say that I think my favorite moments 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.760 were just ones where like we had like the contributions 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.320 from the women, uh sort of like like your I 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.600 think your stories got to Sarah. The contributions of women 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.120 shocked the men on the other team and they weren't 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.040 ready for it, and they led to victory. It's like, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.720 you know, it's not so infrequent that happened. But we 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.720 played on the softball team. Our friend Janice saw the 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.640 center fielders coming in and then just hit a ball 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.240 right over their heads, and when she rounded into second 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.560 base for a double, she was just cursing at them. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.200 And you know, things like things like that, you know, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.440 play hitting a big three in a game when they're 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.080 laying off her to play down more. You know, it's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.160 things like that that just make me smile the most. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.800 You know, Yeah, win or lose, those those are the 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:12.120 best kinds of wins, I always think. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.120 But mostly win, but mostly wins, Yeah, mostly wins. You've 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.600 let me perfectly into my rule for the five rule 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.040 co Ed Adult Sports Etiquette Code. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:21.600 Rule number one. 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.320 It's flag football based from my experience, but it applies 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:24.960 to any co. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.520 Ed sport in which there are quote unquote girl plays. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.560 These are necessary at times because, for instance, in my 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.560 flag football league multi time champions, obviously every three downs 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.040 a female player had to be throwing or receiving. This 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.120 rule is in place so the bros don't ignore the 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.920 women in the field all game, so no problem with it. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.880 The rule that I'm creating is don't only use your 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.720 women on girl plays. Not only does it defeat the 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.800 purpose of playing co ed sports to leave the women 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.520 out unless you're forced to include them. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.080 It's also extremely bad strategy horror. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:16:00.120 So many teams that we played waited until the girl 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.120 and then if they didn't switch out the quarterback to 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:03.760 a lady, then we knew a woman was going to 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.760 be targeted and we could just double all of them. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.120 It also allowed our team to cover only the guys 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:09.680 and ignore the women on the field for the majority 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.000 of plays because they weren't even looking at them. So 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.560 obviously on our team we only had bad bitches, and 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.960 we wanted to use our women all the time anyway, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.240 and they were better playmakers a lot of the time, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.000 so we didn't need to wait for the girl plays. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.800 But also it's just better strategy. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.880 So the rule is obviously draft badass bitches and then 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.120 let them cook every play, not just girl play. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:30.960 Okay. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:37.479 Rule number two, Colaine, Mine is less of an enforceable 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.440 rule and more a physics, a law of physics, which 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.920 is that the best teams are going to be the ones, 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.520 as you just mentioned, Sarah, that have the baddest bitches 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:51.800 on them, and so right like realistically, the average athleticism 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.120 of a co ed recreational dude, the average level is 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:01.160 much closer. The differentiation often happens with the great women 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.320 athletes and the not so great women athletes who are 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:05.920 out there to have a good time. And by the way, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.240 high value on all of these players. Love you for 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.080 showing up. Love that there's people who are out there 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.800 having fun and not being hard. O's about it. I've 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.400 never been that type, but like, shout out to you 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:22.080 for having the experience. Shout out to you. Therapy works. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.399 But but I think you're This is again, if you 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.920 want a team that's gonna win, you have to recruit 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.480 women who can ball, and that's in every sport because 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.800 you're gonna need them to make plays because the differentiation 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.560 amongst men, like you're gonna have some off days on days. 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.240 And the fact of the matter is that I as 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.280 an athlete, I'm not playing on a team where I'm 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.320 not getting the ball. So you better know how to 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.080 pass your women. It's you know what I mean, Like 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.760 exactly to your point, whether it's a girl play or 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.959 just like during regular play in soccer and basketball, whatever, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.960 know how to facilitate and include your women because otherwise 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.680 the best women are leaving goodbye and you're gonna lose. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.040 Yes, And that's so. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:09.000 Rule number two is good women win championships the end, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.000 the end, Josh number three. 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.280 I think that there's a hard uh negotiation sort of 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.680 in co ed players' minds, uh respectful ones at least, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.400 which are the best kinds about how physical to be, right. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.440 I mean, that's just like an obvious thing. You don't 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.600 want to be not physical because that's disrespectful and discounting 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.479 the women's contributions to the team and the league. But 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.840 also there needs to be some kind of decord. This 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.560 is not the same as in men's league. And I'm 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.280 not that is I'm not even talking about the quality. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.760 I'm talking about the physicality. And I think if you're 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:48.280 if you are driving through people, if anyone takes a 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.080 charge on you in coed basketball, you need to take 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.280 a five minute time out. Like it's not not men 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.919 on women, women on man or anything. If you are 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.320 getting charge calls in coed basketball, you need to take 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.720 a timeout and just have someone on your team explain 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.520 to you why you're in a timeout. It's just it's 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.880 just too much. Again, fouling is fine being physical, trying 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.120 to block shots, trying to steal, you know, aggressive press 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.080 on a ball handler. All these things I am the 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.679 support of. But when we're getting out of control, like 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.040 player especially you know a player control foul in a 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.240 literal sense, we need to take timeouts. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.600 It is just sure so good. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.520