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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're once.

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Speaker 2: Again reminding you not to eat the yellow snow. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: December tenth, and on today's show, our friends Kalain Conahan,

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Speaker 2: VP of Global Sales and creative mastermind for Legends, and

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Speaker 2: Josh Bart, producer for ESPNS Around the Horn make their

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Speaker 2: triumphant return to group Chat. We'll talk college hoops, the

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Speaker 2: rules of engagement for coed adult sports, how to pick

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Speaker 2: an unrival team, and the new women's sports show coming

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Speaker 2: to Disney.

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Speaker 1: Plus, it's all coming up right after this.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back Slices tomorrow. We're going to bring you all

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Speaker 2: the news you need to know. But there was so

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Speaker 2: much to chat with Kalein and Josh about. We're going

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Speaker 2: to get right into that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Here it is.

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Speaker 2: It's time for another group chat where we take the

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Speaker 2: tea from the text and bring it on to the airwaves.

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Speaker 2: We've got to repeat appearance from my faves Collein and Josh.

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Speaker 2: First up, she's a VP of Global Sales and creative

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Speaker 2: mastermind for Legends. In the streets and an ultra marathoner

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Speaker 2: also in the streets, but maybe in the sheets. We

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Speaker 2: don't know we made homemade candles and bass scrubs together

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Speaker 2: in OHI like two high class hippie bitches.

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Speaker 1: It's Clay Conahan. What's up, Klaid?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so good to be here. Sarah actually was

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Speaker 3: burning one of the candles just like a few hours ago,

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Speaker 3: so it still has that crembrulat eminence around here.

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Speaker 1: Amazing joining her.

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Speaker 2: He's a producer for ESPN's Around the Horn, eighteen years

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Speaker 2: at the show and counting. When filling out the Katuba

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Speaker 2: wedding contract at his recent nuptials, he accidentally signed as

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Speaker 2: the bride. Now that's allyship in action. It's Josh Bard.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Josh?

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Speaker 4: Read everything twice? People just read things twice before you'd

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Speaker 4: sign once.

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Speaker 1: You're a beautiful bride. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: You two, so happy to have you. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: college basketball. I had a great conversation with Alexa philipp

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Speaker 2: Who the other day that really caught our listeners and

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Speaker 2: me up on the biggest stories. But I want to

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Speaker 2: ask y'all, as two diehards, if there's any teams or

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Speaker 2: players you want to give a shout to, any storylines

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Speaker 2: you've been dying to talk about or get a hot

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Speaker 2: take out about Josh, Let's start with you. You're full of takes.

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Speaker 4: Full of takes. I've heard a lot of them. I've

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Speaker 4: tried to pick a take that I hadn't heard too

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Speaker 4: much of after listening to Let's send you. The team

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Speaker 4: that I am most I would say interested in that

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Speaker 4: I don't here talked about all the time, the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 4: I really liked Madison Booker, the way she played last year.

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Speaker 4: I'm super excited to see her back. They brought back

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Speaker 4: their top four scores from last year. They added a

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Speaker 4: chancefer from Miami and who's scoring eleven points in nineteen minutes.

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Speaker 4: I looked that up today. Eleven points in nineteen minutes.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy, so effective, inefficient. Yeah, I just I've always

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Speaker 4: liked this team. I think Vick Schaeffer is one of

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Speaker 4: the best coaches in the country that never ever gets

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Speaker 4: talked about on the level of you know, the Gino's

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Speaker 4: he's just so good. I feel like he always makes

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Speaker 4: his players a lot better as a team. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: they joined the SEC this year. Obviously, that changes a

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Speaker 4: lot of things about their schedule. This is just a

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Speaker 4: team that I'm really going to be locked in on.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we like the spicy take.

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Speaker 2: Colaine, you got any players, teams, storylines that you've been

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Speaker 3: I mean, so, first off, I think one of the

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of teams in discussion, and Alexa

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Speaker 3: So I think Yukon really has an opportunity, but I

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Speaker 3: won't surprise Josh or you, Sarah. But one team that

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Speaker 3: This coach continuously goes to the transfer portal and finds talent,

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Speaker 3: like Cheyenne Cellars is a dog. Nobody talks about her.

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Speaker 3: And again, I'm a homer went to Maryland. I love

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Speaker 3: Totally agree, JB. I think Vick Schaeffer is an incredible coach.

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Speaker 3: But I think Brenda her exes and o's and her

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Speaker 3: find what she needs is unmatched.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason that last year, with even a weaker

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we do get stuck on a lot of

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Speaker 2: the same teams, particularly ones that had great success the

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Speaker 1: That we're going to have to address pretty soon before

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Speaker 2: Josh, I want to ask you quickly, did you have

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Speaker 2: Is it just the fit? Because she looks reborn at TCU.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was thinking about that and I felt like

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Speaker 4: LSU is one of the the like ultimate conundrums in

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Speaker 4: Hayley van Lyth went. It's it's awesome. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: While we're on the topic of TCU, quickly, Colaine, did

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Speaker 2: you have any to add to what Alexa said about

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Speaker 2: interesting to see how we handle women who are problematic

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Alexa totally had and I know Sarah,

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Speaker 3: them to be held accountable. I think that's important to

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Speaker 3: and I think that responsibility is something that journalists also

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Speaker 3: we reckon with that. How do we reconcile that, How

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Speaker 3: as well, that women can be complex, multi dimensional figures

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Speaker 3: as well, like we're not.

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Speaker 1: We can be villains.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And Josh, you know, you've been with Around

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Speaker 2: the Horn for almost twenty years. It's a place that

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Speaker 2: it's still a much smaller percentage than the men's stories

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Speaker 2: that get covered. And I'm sure at times you've had

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Speaker 3: For a period of time, we were like, the thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: We need but so emotional, great name, so emotional, great name,

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Speaker 4: I would just say that I think my favorite moments

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Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, win or lose, those those are the

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Speaker 2: But mostly win, but mostly wins, Yeah, mostly wins. You've

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Speaker 1: Rule number one.

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Speaker 2: These are necessary at times because, for instance, in my

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Speaker 2: The rule that I'm creating is don't only use your

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Speaker 1: It's also extremely bad strategy horror.

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Speaker 2: So many teams that we played waited until the girl

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Speaker 1: But also it's just better strategy.

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Speaker 3: Rule number two, Colaine, Mine is less of an enforceable

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Speaker 3: But but I think you're This is again, if you

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Speaker 3: And the fact of the matter is that I as

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Speaker 1: Yes, And that's so.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about the physicality. And I think if you're

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Speaker 1: It is just sure so good.

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Speaker 2: Mandatory timeout if you get called for a charge in

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Speaker 2: co ed basketball is rule number three. I once literally

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Speaker 2: So yeah, just a reminder of the physicality and keeping

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Speaker 4: And shout out to claiming my favorite teammate Ashley, who

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Speaker 4: just like, what what are we doing? Sir, stop it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I also want to be clear. Ashley is

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Speaker 3: This is co ed sports. Don't bring your super testosterone

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Speaker 3: the day, we have to keep it neat, we gotta flush,

435
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 3: we got to make sure that it smells pleasant, and

436
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 3: we got to shake hands. So wash your hands, stay hygienic,

437
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 3: and don't be a dick like that's. I feel like

438
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 3: we got to recognize that this is not an entirely

439
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 3: like male energy space. And if you came in here

440
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 3: bringing that you're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong.

441
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 3: There are leads, there's such a good one. There are

442
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: plenty of leagues for that. But when you're playing co ed,

443
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 3: you know, recognize who's there to ball and who's there

444
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: to socialize and act accordingly, you.

445
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: Know both to be willing to be competitive for your hardest. Yes,

446
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: but that energy really matters. So rule number four, don't

447
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: get testerical.

448
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 1: Trying thank you.

449
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: Try to keep the energy as if it's a gender

450
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: neutral bathroom, a shared space where you can both bring

451
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: all the things that we love about sports, but also

452
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: don't presume that everyone wants to turn it into manland

453
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: because it's a sporting event in fact.

454
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: All right, Number five, Josh.

455
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, my last one. I guess it's just sort of

456
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 4: a question for you guys, is how you feel about

457
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 4: rules that, like in a basketball league that a women's

458
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 4: basket might count as an extra point, or a women's

459
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 4: touchdown in a flag football league might count as extra points.

460
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm sort of just intrigued by that as a rule

461
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 4: that already exists. So I'm not creating this rule, but

462
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 4: I'm interested to know what you think is that we're

463
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: on the scale from like sort of encouraging inclusion for

464
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 4: everyone versus condescending. Where do we fall on this one?

465
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: This is the old women's teas question in golf, Like

466
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: is it insulting that there are women's teas or does

467
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 2: that make sense based on average length of drive and

468
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 2: things like that. This is a tough one, Colleen. You're

469
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 2: the expert. You literally worked in this space. You probably

470
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 2: know every rule of every sport.

471
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 3: Here's my if I can answer simply like, no, thank you,

472
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't want it. I don't want it. I don't

473
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 3: want my threes to count as fours or my twos. No,

474
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm playing basketball like a regular human. Again, to your

475
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 3: point about the girl plays in flag football, if you

476
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: need a mechanism to include women, that's maybe a moment

477
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: for self reflection, right, Like, are we doing this right

478
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: generally right? And are we making this an inclusive space?

479
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do think that some rules help

480
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: to serve that and make the game better. But yeah,

481
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: like in general, I find those I do find those

482
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: things patronizing. I find them.

483
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: You know.

484
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 3: It's the same way that I feel when someone apologizes

485
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 3: for regular fouling me. I'm like, please, please, don't like

486
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: I've I find that offensive. So so I'm out on that.

487
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: That said, I'm a more competitive you know, and like

488
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: I grew up playing sports, so I think maybe in

489
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: like social leagues where people are just learning and they

490
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: want you know, I think if you look at a

491
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 3: lot of leagues, women are more inclined to pass than

492
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: to shoot, and they don't want to be up at

493
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: you know, if there's two outs, they don't want to

494
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: be the last one up. So I think again, like

495
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 3: if you if you encourage them and say, if you

496
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 3: walk a woman the next like, she gets two bases, right,

497
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: These different rules that exist to make sure that inclusion

498
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: and full engagement happen. I get them, But for me personally,

499
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: I find them patronizing. Like I don't maybe you can

500
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: opt in to opt out, I want to opt out.

501
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: I So I have not played co ed basketball or

502
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: things like that that are a little more unregulated because

503
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: it's a constant stream of play in softball. In football softball,

504
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: our league didn't have any special rules for women. Everybody

505
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 2: was exactly the same, and that's how I wanted it.

506
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: And we had women players that were fantastic and guys

507
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: that were fantastic, and just like within the gender, there's

508
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: gonna be people who are great, people who suck, and

509
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: so I'm fine with it being completely neutral in that way.

510
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: In football, I do not mind the girl play aspect.

511
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: I think it forces involvement. It puts pressure on the

512
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: women players to step up and then they get to

513
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: do big things in big moments, which is awesome. But

514
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: then when we score, we don't get more points. It's

515
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: the same points. So the rules are probably different across

516
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: the land. So josh I would say, I don't mind

517
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: when it doesn't change the game. So like the girl

518
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: play doesn't really change the game. The points it just

519
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 2: is a is a necessity within the context of it.

520
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: But I don't want to play somewhere where I get

521
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: extra points for accomplishing something, because I do think it

522
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: diminishes and automatically sets it up as the girls that

523
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: are here are worse than the guys that are here.

524
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of co ed sports where I'm

525
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: better than the guys that are there, or at least

526
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: us be before my spine became dust.

527
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: None of this applies to me anymore. Sadly, what is

528
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: our number five rule? Maybe it is based on the

529
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: level of play.

530
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know if in your leagues you have

531
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: like super competitive versus versus competitive. Okay, so maybe like

532
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: in social we can be more trying to help push

533
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: for women to be validated for their successes, and in

534
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: competitive it's each person for themselves.

535
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: It okay, these are great rules. These are excellent rules.

536
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: We're going to print them on parchment paper with calligraphy.

537
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I feel good about that. We really accomplish something. Let's

538
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: take a break.

539
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to talk Unrivaled and

540
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: Kalaiinn's brilliant idea to pick a team. We're back with

541
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: Kaleain and Josh. I want to talk about the unrival League.

542
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: First of all, I think their rollout has been spectacular

543
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 2: in every way, the marketing, the name drops, the league,

544
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: the teams, the everything. But Kalaine, you and some friends

545
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: had this brilliant idea of hopping on a zoom to

546
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: strategize where you're going to place your allegiance on a

547
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: single team. You're gonna go ham on merch, You're gonna

548
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: watch every game, You're gonna make it your whole identity.

549
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Tell us everything, because we're going to steal this idea

550
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: for the show, and I think folks at home might

551
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: want some like tips or ideas on how to do

552
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: their own unrivaled team selection event.

553
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think this is a really unique opportunity. Right,

554
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: it's a new league, but we already know the players,

555
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 3: and so where are we going?

556
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: Right?

557
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: Like, Like I have the ability to kind of pine

558
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: on something before it's happened. And if there's one thing

559
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 3: I hate in sports, it's a front runner, Like I

560
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: don't want to wait until I've seen a team be

561
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: successful and then glom on right like that. That is

562
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: not for me, especially because there's no geographic tie here, right,

563
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: They're all playing in one location. So I feel the

564
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: need to proactively select a team. We know the coaches,

565
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: we know the players, and because of that, I felt like,

566
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: how am I going to make the most of this

567
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 3: new opportunit. I mean, I totally agree with you. I

568
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: think the whole concept is great, the rollout's been amazing,

569
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: the hype is there. I think it's going to be

570
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 3: a killer viewing experience. And so last night my friends

571
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 3: Matt Mustrantsuono and Alison Lazarek and I we you know,

572
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: we collaborated and tried to figure out. We were like,

573
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: how are we going to pick their Liberty fan and

574
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm a Mystics fan. How are we going to pick

575
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: a team and unite have a united front? What team

576
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: are we choosing? And so we did our research right,

577
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: We looked at all the players and the team names

578
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: and the colors, and we factored all of this in.

579
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: There was no algorithm. It was just by feel. And

580
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: we had a call last night and we just kind

581
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: of reviewed club by club which direction, you know, where

582
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: were we feeling, like who were we into? What was

583
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: our takeaways for? You know, like how do we feel

584
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: about the Laces? And I, honestly I was like, Laces.

585
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: I think it's the best logo, but I think it's

586
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 3: the worst name. And Matt was like, you know what,

587
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: it's a aces with an L in front of it,

588
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: Like I don't think so, right, So as.

589
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Lingerie to me for some reason.

590
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: Even no cool logo exactly. And so went through for

591
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: each of them and kind of, you know, there were

592
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: some teams that we were intrigued by, there are some

593
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: teams that we actually loved, and then there was one

594
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: player that we were like, you can't, I can't do it, yep.

595
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: And so ultimately, yeah, I'm here to announce that I

596
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: am a Vinyl fan. I am here big time Tea

597
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Spoon coaching energy. You know, I feel like I was

598
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: drawn to that immediately. But then on top of it,

599
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: like I Arique, I want to watch her on a

600
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: team and thriving, right, I think there's a chance she'll

601
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: be able to do that after this next w NBA draft,

602
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: should Page decide to go, but I want to see Arique,

603
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: she's the team captain. I want to see her lead

604
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: and growing thriving. You know, Josh, you mentioned Dereka Hanby earlier,

605
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 3: like I want a redemption story for her. She's been

606
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: she's been playing her butt off and like she and

607
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: Ryan Howard were both on the three x three this summer,

608
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: there's some chemistry there that's intriguing. Feel great about that,

609
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: Aliah Boston. If you don't like her, you're just wrong.

610
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 3: And and you know, then we kind of round out

611
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: the team with Jordan Canada and Ray Burrell, and I

612
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: felt like there was this gravity that really Tea Spoon

613
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: and so yeah, like we then my friend Allison, she

614
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: was like, we need an nemesis, you know what I

615
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: mean like we're rival. Yeah, we're getting rival, and we've

616
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: decided that we're out on the mist. In fact, they missed,

617
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: they missed, they missed the opportunity. We hate them, we

618
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 3: hate them.

619
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it's I've always always hated the miss bad weather pattern.

620
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: And on top of that, no.

621
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, this iffy and also just that one just

622
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: reminds me of like a vaginal douche. For some reason,

623
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it would be called the mist.

624
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: The mist. Yeah, I don't need I don't need that

625
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: kind of a pant and so so.

626
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Already I don't want my team to be moist.

627
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't want my team to be

628
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: one letter away from being moist. I don't most exactly.

629
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: And I also feel like the Vinyl is a great

630
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: choice for you because you are the best person I

631
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: will ever meet.

632
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: I can guarantee it.

633
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: At Hurdle, which is the game where you are given

634
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: notes to try to guess a song, and Josh, you

635
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: and I are all very good at this game, but

636
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: you are freakishly good in a way that feels almost

637
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: like when people have a part of their brain that

638
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: no one else has access to, but you do. There

639
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: were songs that was just someone breathing at the beginning

640
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: for the first note, and you still somehow got it.

641
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: So it feels like a music based team is accurate

642
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: for you, Josh. I won't make you pick your team

643
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: just yet unless you have I.

644
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: Have a team. I'm ready already. I look the ross,

645
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: I look through the rosters. You know. It's fun because

646
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 4: I think basically, like many of us choose a team

647
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: based off like living in the city of the team,

648
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: or where we grew up, and it's our parents team

649
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: and this is a chance to start over. There is

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Speaker 4: no hometown team for any of us. I chose the Laces.

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Speaker 4: Although now that you say basically the Ace is taking

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Speaker 4: an l on the front, I don't know that part

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Speaker 4: of it. I wish I thought of that. Kelsey Plumb

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Speaker 4: lost tough, But the way that this team is just

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Speaker 4: they're just tough. They're just scrappy. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: they're going to play the hardest out of all the teams.

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Speaker 4: You're telling me, Alysa Thomas, Courtney Williams, Kate Martin, Steph Dolston, Dogs,

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Speaker 4: you know, and Kato McBride, Stiff Diilson. Obviously we've seen

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Speaker 4: her in three by three before she can do it

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Speaker 4: like close inside and outside. I'm excited about who they add.

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Speaker 4: Certainly I have some ideas, but I don't know who

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Speaker 4: is eligible and not eligible, so I won't just start

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Speaker 4: throwing things out there. But you know, like if Gabby

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Speaker 4: Williams was going to join another league late, that would

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Speaker 4: be an expect for them. I'm just saying that shown

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Speaker 4: up a little late to the party.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny you say that, because that was one

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Speaker 3: of the we were like, Okay, these wild cards, they

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Speaker 3: they definitely make it tricky. Yeah, and who is there

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Speaker 3: anybody who if they were added to the mix, they

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Speaker 3: might change your tune? And Gabby Williams was the runaway

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Speaker 3: answer because if she joined, which I know she will,

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Speaker 3: but if she did, she is nice and watching her

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Speaker 3: play and I think I can imagine that her, like

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Speaker 3: her size and dynamism, she'd be great for this format.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I guess I'm rooting for her

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Speaker 3: to join the Laces. Now, Josh, for your sake, there

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Speaker 3: you go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to announce mine because we are

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Speaker 2: going to do a show about this, and I famously

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Speaker 2: or not famously, but in my mind famously did a

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Speaker 2: show for ESPN, not a show. I famously did a

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Speaker 2: series of stories for ESPN called College Football Bachelorette, where

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Speaker 2: I took twenty five teams and whittled them down using

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Speaker 2: various criteria and ultimately picking a college football team. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to apply some of the same elements to this.

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Speaker 2: You can look forward to that. We'll do this as

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Speaker 2: a show where Alex Miish and I will pick teams

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Speaker 2: and then will help you find your way to selecting

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Speaker 2: an unrivaled team as well. Okay, last thing, Josh, We've

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Speaker 2: got you here, so let's get some inside information. News

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Speaker 2: just broke that ESPN is introducing two studio shows for

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Speaker 2: Disney Plus, a daily sports center just for Disney Plus subscribers,

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Speaker 2: and a women's sports show that may air weekly or

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Speaker 2: several times a week. They haven't announced that yet. Both

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Speaker 2: programs and development both allegedly to be made for a

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Speaker 2: more casual sports fan, according to president Jimmy Patterio. Can

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Speaker 2: we get your thoughts on this women's sports show for

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Speaker 2: actual fans airing weekly or perhaps a few times a

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Speaker 2: week with no details yet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously, like you said, lack of details. I

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Speaker 4: also don't have any information just because I work free ESPN,

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Speaker 4: I don't know break information, but credit is the NBC.

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Speaker 4: Alex Sherman would did break this news, so you know

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Speaker 4: that that's out there and you can read all about it.

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Speaker 4: I guess my question would be, and again, I think

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Speaker 4: there's it seems like from the report it's still pretty

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Speaker 4: roughly being developed right now. But I would just recommend

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Speaker 4: that it not be a weekly show. I think we've

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Speaker 4: learned as the media age has changed, that weeklies don't

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Speaker 4: do much anymore. Sports Illustrated, the magazine was once the

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Speaker 4: be all end all, and now I don't know anyone

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Speaker 4: who has a sports subscription. I don't even know if

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Speaker 4: they've printed anymore. Weeklies just aren't the thing, and so

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Speaker 4: this show needs to be more frequent than that. And

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Speaker 4: there is so much their their new leagues for women.

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Speaker 4: Uh there, you know, this is not the women's sports

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Speaker 4: landscape that it was that you know, our parents had,

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Speaker 4: or even you know, like our old siblings would have had.

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Speaker 4: It's changing and it's changing so fast, and I think

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Speaker 4: everything that we've seen is when a women's sports product

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Speaker 4: is offered, it is absolutely like gobbled down by the audiences,

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Speaker 4: whether that is the merch that sells out, whether it's

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Speaker 4: the ratings, people realizing that, hey, women's basketball, don't tell

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00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: anyone it's just basketball, you know, like figuring that out

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Speaker 4: is what we've done. You know, it's not for it's

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Speaker 4: not everyone yet unfortunately, but like the title wave has

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00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 4: crested and we're about to ride this thing. And I

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Speaker 4: would just say that, you know, Sarah, you know this.

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Speaker 4: You do a daily podcast, but like a weekly a

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Speaker 4: weekly show just feels like sort of crumbs or table scraps,

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Speaker 4: and that's not what this is about anymore. I think

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't be. It's not what I would advise as

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Speaker 4: a business decision, and I don't think it's sort of

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Speaker 4: what women's sports deserves at this point.

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Speaker 2: I agree, And then I also am always that person who,

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Speaker 2: unfortunately is so condition to be like, well, but it's

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Speaker 2: better than nothing, right, But the problem is when we

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00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: keep doing the better than nothing, if it doesn't work

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00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: out because it was doomed to fail, then we blame

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Speaker 2: the product in women's sports, which is not the problem.

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Speaker 2: It's the way that we try to present it or

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Speaker 2: talk about it. Claan, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I think that if you're going to do a weekly,

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Speaker 3: you have to do it the same way that last

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00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: week Tonight goes, which is to say, you know, you

747
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: touch on some things, but you do a deep dive

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Speaker 3: on something on substantive and that takes real journalism. Look,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be as funny as John Oliver,

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Speaker 3: but you have to commit the same level of resources

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Speaker 3: as you would frankly to a daily to do that

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Speaker 3: deep dive. And so I think if that's the direction

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Speaker 3: they choose to go, I could be down for that

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00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: because I think there are plenty of issues in women's

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00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: sports that it would be amazing for ESPN to commit

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Speaker 3: to unpacking. But I don't know that that commitment is there,

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, I agree with you guys that if

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Speaker 3: we're talking about increasing coverage by adding a weekly show,

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00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 3: it's going to be like watching you know, I feel

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00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: like it's going to be watching Total Request Live right

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Speaker 3: Like it's going to be cheap and bubblegum and not

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00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: going to get us what we need. You could just

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00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, which I think

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Speaker 3: the ones already are so like going more to chew

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Speaker 3: on and again, that could be in the form of

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Speaker 3: a deep dive on issues or just cover us all

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Speaker 3: the wall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree, and I think your point

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Speaker 2: is avoid one. If you do a weekly you can

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Speaker 2: do it by touching on a couple of things that

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00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: are going to be evergreen enough not to be dated

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Speaker 2: within a couple of days that after it airs. But

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: also you can do a deep dive into a league

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00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: a player tell some stories that we do want to see.

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00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think not to pat ourselves on

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00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: the back, but this show has proved that there's more

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00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: than enough content and the way to get people to

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00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: care is to give them a constant stream of players information,

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00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: all the things that they need to have, the debates

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00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: to talk about, the teams to get into it. And

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00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: that's really hard to do if you have these long

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00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: gaps in between the content and there's just not enough

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Speaker 2: time to cover it. So I think your message is

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: the right one. Just listen to the Good Game with

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00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: Sarah Spain. You really don't you don't need anything else.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: You guys are the best. We could talk forever.

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: We had other segments planned and now you'll just have

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00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: to come back and do them again.

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Speaker 1: But thanks so much for the time. We so appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again to Josh and Kalaine for the time we

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Speaker 2: got to pay the bills. When we come back, me

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Speaker 2: shops in the review chair to dish on an unexpected delight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Bax Slices.

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Speaker 5: I would highly suggest it. Matter of fact, this morning

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Speaker 5: I had some freeze dried mango that well, let's just

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Speaker 1: Started, right.

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Speaker 5: Or if you can freeze dry your own now I've

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, slices. We'll see you tomorrow. Good game, Colaine,

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Speaker 2: Good game, Josh. Few people who know what works for

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Speaker 2: men's sports TV shows but insist on not applying that

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