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I've been wanting to do a real 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:54.120 sort of off the cuff conversation with everyone since. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.720 Honestly twenty twenty three. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.520 But now that we've explored some new stories, and we 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.119 have a lot of cool news stories that we're exploring 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.880 still and have yet to share, this is the time 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.840 we should just actually break down one or genuine thoughts 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:18.360 on everything we've covered in two some of the personal 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.920 experiences we've had that kind of paint the picture a 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:27.039 little bit better, and to me, that matters the things 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.840 that kind of go unnoticed. There's a lot of nuance 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.800 when it comes to when you're conducting an interview with 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.039 somebody and you're talking about something that's kind of. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.520 Kind of weird. Yeah. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.040 I think something that people don't realize is so much 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.840 gets left on the cutting room floor during these interviews, 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.960 and like we use the best pieces, but there's still 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.680 so much more that like you guys never see, but 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.120 we know about and we desperately want to talk to 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.640 anybody about it, and what better conduit to do that 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.320 through than this roundtable. So I just listened to all 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.960 five episodes just before we recorded this, So this is 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.080 my first time hearing all five episodes, and they were 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.040 fucking awesome. I mean, I think what's really unique about 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.280 this season compared to last is that the investigation really 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.680 took us all around the world this time, and we 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.400 got to see that this is a global phenomenon, that 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.760 it's happening everywhere, and so many of the stories are 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.880 so similar anywhere you are in the world, and that's 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.800 it's creepy, but it's fascinating at the same time. So 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:29.560 I guess i'd like to start maybe just you know, 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.360 we get right into episode one and just work our 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.960 way up just so we try to cover as much 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:33.440 as we can. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.160 Yeah it Yeah. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.400 So you know, kick us off, like where did the 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.880 episode one start. It started with the congressional UAP hearings. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.560 Yeah, I mean, okay, so you and I both we 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.160 went to DC. This was I'm pretty sure we were 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:51.800 at a bar together and we got a weird notice 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.600 email from I don't know, a journalist's friend that was 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.920 like tipping us off, there's gonna be a UFO conference 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.160 congressional hearing tomorrow in DC. 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:03.520 Are you going? 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.720 And I was like, well, we are now, I think 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.760 we can get a flight and we literally just we 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.200 booked the earliest flight the next morning, and we arrived 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.760 there and we were absolutely out of place. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.520 I mean, it was. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:32.240 Like a huge, weird college that wasn't really nice, and 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.800 you're like, where's the not only where is the bathroom, 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.640 but also where is the room that we should be in? 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.880 And what are all these other rooms for? 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:40.280 You know? 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.880 Yeah, can I just say that I can't remember the 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.720 reason why, but I couldn't make it, and I'm so jealous. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.040 But what an experience I mean being in there. We 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.000 weren't necessarily in that room, but we were in the 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.240 room adjacent the extra fill room, I guess, with a 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:55.040 bunch of other people. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.000 Oh yeah, that part's interesting. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.440 So, like I mean, this is they do this all 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.320 the time, like every week Congress meets and stuff. They 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.640 meet and do stuff that we just don't casually watch 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:09.600 on TV. Yeah, I mean I don't. 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.200 But this was probably a very filled time for that time, 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.200 you know. But yeah, this was the event people wanted 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:16.599 to go to, and there was a line out the 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.359 door when we got there. People wanted to sit in 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:18.880 and listen. 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.880 Yeah, it seemed like, you know, to compare it to TSA, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.880 like it seemed like, oh my gosh, there's a lot. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:27.000 Of people flying out. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.279 This morning, you know, yeah it's Christmas break. Yeah, it's like, okay, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.120 it must be a Thanksgiving thing. And so when we 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.920 got there, we like the security line itself took kind 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.920 of a long time, and then when we got into 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.920 the building, it's just kind of everyone's just doing their 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.800 own thing. We had no clue where to actually go. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.880 And I jokingly said, I've played it in the tape 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.080 in episode one. For a second, I was like, do 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:56.039 we just ask for the UFOs are And I'm pretty. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:57.720 Sure we actually just did that. 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:03.760 We just asked somebody as said hey UFOs, and they 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.080 and they just yeah, literally yeah, And some person was like, ah, 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.440 this way, and we just followed another person who was 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.120 either there for the same reason or they knew what 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.240 the fuck we were or knew what the hell were there. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.599 He's like, third floor, I mean just kidding. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:19.640 Yeah, no, no, no. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.440 Yeah, not in this building. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.640 Yeah, but yeah, we we got uh we got pushed 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.920 into the to the. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.040 Over the auxiliary room. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.760 Yeah, over the back of the bus. Yeah, we're like, okay, yep. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.240 But it was it was it was a much more 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.520 like laid back environment. I mean, there was one hundred 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.240 people plus in this room and it wasn't like, yeah, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.440 no cameras, just like the audio feed and the TV 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:40.919 is coming in. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.119 Fac Actually there were cameras. I only know that because 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.000 my sister sent me. My sister sent me a clip 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:53.080 of me on the news that day. Yes, weird, there's 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.160 a picture of me and Dylan and like it's the 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.320 most like I mean, I think it was the angle 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.080 and we looked so unserious in our in our suits, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.960 so we just looked like clowns. But all that to say, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:15.600 the experience in the the spillover room was actually unique 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:22.679 because the tape you heard is raw from the actual 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.760 congressional hearing, but in that room we were kind of 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:33.280 separated from the tension of everyone else. And there were 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:37.679 moments where towards the end when David Grush was saying 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:45.920 things like crash retrieval programs and biologics recovered bodies, non 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.320 human biologics. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.479 Yeah, what was the reaction in the room you guys 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.200 were in, Because I know, in like the main room, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.120 the like room on cameras, where everybody was, where Grush 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.080 was at, where everybody that they were, there was a 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.799 little bit of ruckus. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.480 They literally started clapping. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.280 In the main congressional room where the hearing is going on, 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.800 it was just dead silence. People were very stoic. Nobody 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.520 had any expression on their face at all. It was 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.720 just give the facts, get it on the record. But 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.800 in this room next door, people are clapping and gasping 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.760 whenever something crazy would happen, and people were laughing, and 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.920 just like it was such a different, unique experience. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:27.360 It's such a cool way to experience it. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.280 I looked, I remember I looked at you in the face. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.880 When people started clapping, it was like, what is happening? 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.920 Because they felt just bizarre. I'm like, one we flew 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:44.880 here on a whim to go to this random, suspenseful 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:51.240 UAP congressional hearing where some whistleblowers going to give some 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:56.240 bombshell information and turns out he does still a big mystery. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.560 But we're sitting in there and we're hearing this happen live, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.440 and it's like everyone in at least the room that 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.680 we're in is basically it felt like. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.880 We were in a room full of fans, yeah, fanboy stuff. 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.600 And a part of me was like, Okay, is this 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.400 like UFO fan people? But then I kind of backtracked 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.360 a little bit and was like, Okay, maybe maybe some yes, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.480 But there's also a level of people here who clearly 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:33.280 weren't just UFO fan people who flew in or drove 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:39.040 here from Virginia. There were other people there who seemed 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.120 to have been people who probably touted this same sort 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.400 of energy and the same topic for a long time 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.880 and felt maybe vindicated or something. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.320 Well, think about how popular Star Wars is, Star Trek is. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.760 You don't have to be necessarily a UFO fanboy to 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.839 be excited for this news that you probably knew was 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.680 coming at some point in your life. But Steven Spielberg, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.839 all of his movies e t close encounters like there 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.800 are people who are just deep down fans of wanting 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.320 to believe. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.000 I guess that's why I felt weird because I was 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:24.480 at Congress, literally in a suit, out of place. I 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.760 felt like I was at a church on a Sunday 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.760 where I didn't know if I had all the right 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.800 things in order, and I was you know, I was 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.920 at a place I was like, Okay, are we. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:36.600 Doing this right? 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.840 And then when people were clapping and awing and owing, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.120 I was kind of like, what the hell is going on? 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.719 I'm kind of split on what that meant. I think 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.360 there was, Yeah, there was some people who were like, yeah, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.520 we told you so, but like, I don't really like 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.760 that energy. But I'm also kind of like maybe they're right. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.840 Like I'm like, well, I mean I've always kind of 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:09.000 thought that too. But either way, we're witnessing something that's 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:17.400 profound to happen at Congress. And regardless of whether David 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:23.280 Grush is telling the truth or not, he testified under 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.800 oath under penalty of law and made some very bold claims, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.640 and as someone who seems to say it in a 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.120 very believable. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.640 Way, yeah, I mean it. Being there it felt like 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.679 a very historic event. I remember when when we were 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.600 sitting in that room, I was texting all my family 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.240 and friends just being like, wake up, go watch this 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.680 right now. This is disclosure happening. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:47.880 You're you're awake. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.120 Wake up at ten am. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.320 I thought it's like, get woke, you wake up. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:52.840 Yeah. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.560 I remember thinking like this is disclosure, Like this is 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.400 he's the whistleblower. It's going to happen today and we're here, 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.960 and I thought it was this and it you know, 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.400 in a sense, it was I think the first step. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.480 It was the first step towards disclosure. 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:06.240 I mean that is what happened. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.120 Yeah, it was a small step towards disclosure. But I 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.720 think in hindsight, I mean that was what two or 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.000 three years ago now, and I'd argue, we're really no 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.520 closer than we were then. There have been maybe three 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.840 other meetings that were similar with other whistleblowers that have 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.080 come out in Congress. But it kind of sucks to 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.959 see we're this far into it and nothing's really changed. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.560 We're really no closer to disclosure than we were at 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.080 the very beginning a few years ago, or at any 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.559 point in history. I would argue, and that that was 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.600 kind of a bummer. But I'm curious what you guys 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:36.160 think about that. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.800 I would first argue, is that actually true? I don't 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.080 think that's actually factually true. I mean, I could see 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:51.040 how it. I mean, one, the entire UFO narrative is exhausting, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.600 and it has been its entire existence. But I wouldn't 0:11:56.600 --> 0:12:03.360 say that David Grusha's test simony and all this happened 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.760 since then is a dead end. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:12.240 I would first say that I think everyone, everyone, to 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.200 a certain extent, I think people do just plain and 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:20.040 simple want to believe. I think more people than are 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.920 willing to admit want to believe. To play Devil's Advocate 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.040 with David Grush. As much as I love what David 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.360 Grush said, it didn't prove anything. It didn't push the 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.959 needle forward. Yes, I was so excited when he said 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:41.640 the things he did. Biologics, pilots, recovered crash materials. These 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.400 are all the things people who want to believe have 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:50.040 been waiting for someone of some credential to say. But 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.760 there was no smoking gun, there was no proof, there 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.880 was no video footage, there was no real right. It 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.839 was nothing more more than what we've heard since the eighties, which. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.719 This to me, brings me to the biggest question there 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.280 is to anyone period about kind of anything, but especially 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:10.800 this topic. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.720 What is proof to you? Like, straight up, what is 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.000 proof to you? Actually? 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:25.400 Because what if so and so went to Congress and said, hey, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.600 the same things David Grush said anything whatever, Hey, we 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.439 have uh, we have all these spacecraft in Area fifty one, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.480 and we have we have uh non human bodies, we 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 have non human biologics and aliens. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:43.600 Here, here's the photos. Then what. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.480 Does that become something where we just kind of debate 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.520 whether or not it's true. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.920 Yeah, I've heard you both say in the past. You know, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:01.920 even if with one certainty disclosure happened and UFOs landed 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.640 on the White House salawn and said, hey, we're here, 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.800 check us out, even then, fifty percent of people would 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.640 say that's bullshit, that's AI, that isn't really happening. They'd 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:12.920 come up with some excuse to not believe it, and 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.320 the other half might believe it. But I think what 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.439 fascinated me to the most about David Gresher's testimony and 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.640 you know, more recent testimonies, is that people say people 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.960 in really high positions of power in the military and 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.560 the government are coming out and saying these crazy things, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.640 and then there's just no real response from people. It 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.400 doesn't seem like maybe people are desensitized to it in 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.480 a way, but it doesn't seem like people design. Yeah, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.120 and it could be by design, but it doesn't seem 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.520 like people really were chaotic and afraid in the way 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.640 that I think a lot of people were afraid that 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.920 they would be. I think we almost went too far, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.480 and now people don't even care about it. And maybe 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.560 that's what I'm seeing more than anything, is that people 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.920 seem so desensitized in our news cycle and everything going 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.320 on with the media that when these claims are happening, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.480 it didn't even make the top news cycle of the day, 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.920 you know, and that was a little disheartening. But also 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.760 so maybe it's promising for disclosure in the future. At 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.520 some point, maybe we are ready to learn something more 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.920 about what's out there in the world, if that information 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:08.800 does exist. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.160 To kind of shift gears here. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.400 I want to say that in general, I've always been 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:20.560 of the mind where the UFO topic a decade ago 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.880 to me was always kind of tiresome. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:23.760 It was just something. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.360 But yeah, me personally, I would I want to believe 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:32.640 tiresome because it felt like it was so fringe. All 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:37.840 of a sudden, there was incredible stories from whistleblowers and 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.920 people from the government and things connecting in ways where hey, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:50.440 this is actually just real reporting, not just fun semi 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:55.760 fictional documentary kind of stuff you see on some TV network, right, 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.440 And that sort of mentality is gone. So what's here 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.480 now is I feel like everyone in the world because 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.920 they have a phone, And I don't blame them, I'm 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:13.560 you too. We want proof of everything, But what is 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.360 proof exactly? And I don't mean that in some like 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:22.960 total weirdo abstract way, I really don't. I mean it 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.440 in a way that's like, what is proof to you? 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.400 Like actually, and what does that mean? This whole topic 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:35.120 has converged at a point in technology of us where 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.920 it just so happens that AI can basically make everything 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.720 that could be a drone that's AI, that's fake. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.360 It's like everything's just kind of muddied. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.400 With technology today. You can no longer believe your eyes 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.240 or your ears, and that makes you question what even 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:57.080 can be real, what can be classified as real, what 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.880 can we even agree on as real? In today's media 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.360 escape And it's so hard to know. I mean, nobody 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.280 has the answer for that, but I will say, bringing 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.439 it back to high strange, what I loved about this 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:11.439 season was that we focused on archival cases or cases 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.960 from decades ago when the waters were much less muddy, 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.040 when you had real recordings of people from the seventies 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.800 and eighties, When you have audio recordings of Dave Davies 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.680 and Whitley Streiber when their children are very young, telling 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.800 exactly the same story decades ago that they're telling now. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.280 For me, I think, especially in today's landscape, that brings 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.520 so much credibility to their stories, and it gives you 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.919 sort of like a baseline of something to believe that 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.440 is true. And I love that we focused on those 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.639 cases in this season because you just I think you 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.360 guys did a really great job of like putting those 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.879 stories together and telling them in a way that's like 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.679 really manageable and understandable and give some real element of 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.919 like truth and investigation to this field. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.719 I would even counterpoint a little bit what you were 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.159 saying Johnny Mack, who wrote, you know, the book on 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:04.080 abductions and doing all of the research into people who 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:08.159 are experiencers schackvall Ay they've been doing this for so 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.800 long without anyone believing them. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:16.920 There's been some legit people who aren't all fringe conspiracy right, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:17.600 who were just. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.240 Hey, like look, no, they're on the matter of. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.320 Just talking about this stuff and been researching this stuff 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:24.720 their fucking whole life. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:29.919 So like David is like, finally that like told you so, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.119 almost right, or it could be, could be. But you 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.480 can also say, yeah, you know, all these people have 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.320 been maybe making all this up. But there's just if 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.560 you really really dig in and you really really research 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.320 the topic, there are so much that points more towards 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.399 that there is something versus in my opinion, pointing towards 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:52.159 it's all made up. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:56.520 That makes me think about the physical things that we've 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:57.879 seen this season. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.480 I'm talking about literally in Oregon. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:09.680 We went to Oregon for the mcmainville UFO Festival, and 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.359 we kind of all split off into different camps and 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.080 we're recording different things, and then tilling you ended up 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:21.880 in the middle of nowhere eastern Oregon. Literally, we thought 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.920 you were missing for like twenty four hours. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:25.959 We were like, okay, we'll give it what it was. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.640 We'll give it about twelve more hours before we'd call 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:29.280 the police. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.280 The amount of times your phone just straight up did 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:33.120 not like. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.280 Should we be concerned. We're like, nah, it's stealing. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:40.040 We're like, okay, in twelve hours, if he has not responded, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.720 we're definitely sending out an alert. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:45.560 I'm glad to know you guys have my back, because 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:46.520 I was fucking no. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.320 It was like, okay, what was the last time he 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:48.920 texted you. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.560 We're all we're all checking each other like it, but 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.399 he texted you then, and then then okay he last service? 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:55.560 Then okay, Yeah, it makes sense. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.840 I did pull the mom move of being like, yo, 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.840 you gotta check in call me when you get to call. 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:03.480 Me, and like we knew you weren't, like so we 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:04.960 would be on a call with you and you're like, yeah, 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:05.840 I'm actually about to. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.919 Oh like Dylan Dylan dyn Yeah, man. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.560 There was I mean, there was no cell signal anywhere 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.719 in like the part of Oregon, this like one hundred 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.680 square mile area that I was in an organ but yeah, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.760 I just you know, we went out there for the 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.680 UFO Fest and I just decided to break away, take 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.000 a rental car and just you know, with nothing but 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.000 a dream, just go to a bunch of random little 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.320 towns and just like hope, I'd run into something. In 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.560 the eighties, there was a string of cattle mutilations that 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.600 happened all throughout eastern Oregon, and as the story goes, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.960 all of these ranchers all over the area would find 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.680 these mutilated cows. And it's not necessarily weird to find 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.719 dead cows on a property as big and as expansive 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.600 as eastern organ Is and these ranches, which are hundreds 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.720 of square miles each. But what was weird about this 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.800 subsect of cattle mutilations. It was that they all had 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.880 the same type of mutilation. They would have the genitals 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.560 cut off, they would have the tongue taken out sometimes 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.960 like the cheek and the eye taken out. But what 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:10.719 was weird about it is that happened in the eighties. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.240 It was written off as a satanic cult at the time, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.160 and that became the narrative, the global narrative, and the zeitgeist. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.760 And there were two camps of people, some who thought 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.040 it was a satanic cult and some who thought it 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.080 was aliens. And that's why in today's pop culture you'll 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.720 see things like cows being zipped up into UFOs, being 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.320 tractor beamed up. It comes from these stories in eastern 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.560 Oregon of these mutilated cows that were very unexplained and 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:36.879 nobody ever really found an answer. 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:37.480 There were a lot of. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.479 Theories, but it was never solved. But I was curious, 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.480 you know, was that still going on? Is that still 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.880 a thing? Or were these people around. Were the people 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.800 who were there in the eighties still around? Would they 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.960 want to talk? And luckily, you know, all three of 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.440 our brands combined, we figured it out. I went out 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.720 there and I struck out a few times, and then luckily, 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.320 you guys found a name online that led to one thing, 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.440 it led to another, and then before he knew it, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.320