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I've been wanting to do a real 10 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: sort of off the cuff conversation with everyone since. 11 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: Honestly twenty twenty three. 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: But now that we've explored some new stories, and we 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 1: have a lot of cool news stories that we're exploring 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: still and have yet to share, this is the time 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: we should just actually break down one or genuine thoughts 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: on everything we've covered in two some of the personal 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: experiences we've had that kind of paint the picture a 18 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: little bit better, and to me, that matters the things 19 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: that kind of go unnoticed. There's a lot of nuance 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to when you're conducting an interview with 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: somebody and you're talking about something that's kind of. 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Kind of weird. Yeah. 23 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: I think something that people don't realize is so much 24 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: gets left on the cutting room floor during these interviews, 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: and like we use the best pieces, but there's still 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: so much more that like you guys never see, but 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: we know about and we desperately want to talk to 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: anybody about it, and what better conduit to do that 29 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: through than this roundtable. So I just listened to all 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: five episodes just before we recorded this, So this is 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: my first time hearing all five episodes, and they were 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: fucking awesome. I mean, I think what's really unique about 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: this season compared to last is that the investigation really 34 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: took us all around the world this time, and we 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: got to see that this is a global phenomenon, that 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: it's happening everywhere, and so many of the stories are 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: so similar anywhere you are in the world, and that's 38 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: it's creepy, but it's fascinating at the same time. So 39 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: I guess i'd like to start maybe just you know, 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 3: we get right into episode one and just work our 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: way up just so we try to cover as much 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: as we can. 43 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Yeah it Yeah. 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: So you know, kick us off, like where did the 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: episode one start. It started with the congressional UAP hearings. 46 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, okay, so you and I both we 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: went to DC. This was I'm pretty sure we were 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: at a bar together and we got a weird notice 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: email from I don't know, a journalist's friend that was 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: like tipping us off, there's gonna be a UFO conference 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: congressional hearing tomorrow in DC. 52 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: Are you going? 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, we are now, I think 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: we can get a flight and we literally just we 55 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: booked the earliest flight the next morning, and we arrived 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: there and we were absolutely out of place. 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it was. 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Like a huge, weird college that wasn't really nice, and 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: you're like, where's the not only where is the bathroom, 60 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: but also where is the room that we should be in? 61 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: And what are all these other rooms for? 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: You know? 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, can I just say that I can't remember the 64 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: reason why, but I couldn't make it, and I'm so jealous. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: But what an experience I mean being in there. We 66 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: weren't necessarily in that room, but we were in the 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: room adjacent the extra fill room, I guess, with a 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: bunch of other people. 69 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that part's interesting. 70 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: So, like I mean, this is they do this all 71 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the time, like every week Congress meets and stuff. They 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: meet and do stuff that we just don't casually watch 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: on TV. Yeah, I mean I don't. 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: But this was probably a very filled time for that time, 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, this was the event people wanted 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: to go to, and there was a line out the 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 3: door when we got there. People wanted to sit in 78 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: and listen. 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like, you know, to compare it to TSA, 80 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: like it seemed like, oh my gosh, there's a lot. 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: Of people flying out. 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: This morning, you know, yeah it's Christmas break. Yeah, it's like, okay, 83 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: it must be a Thanksgiving thing. And so when we 84 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: got there, we like the security line itself took kind 85 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: of a long time, and then when we got into 86 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: the building, it's just kind of everyone's just doing their 87 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: own thing. We had no clue where to actually go. 88 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: And I jokingly said, I've played it in the tape 89 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: in episode one. For a second, I was like, do 90 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: we just ask for the UFOs are And I'm pretty. 91 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: Sure we actually just did that. 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: We just asked somebody as said hey UFOs, and they 93 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: and they just yeah, literally yeah, And some person was like, ah, 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: this way, and we just followed another person who was 95 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: either there for the same reason or they knew what 96 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: the fuck we were or knew what the hell were there. 97 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 4: He's like, third floor, I mean just kidding. 98 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, no. 99 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, not in this building. 100 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, we we got uh we got pushed 101 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: into the to the. 102 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 5: Over the auxiliary room. 103 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, over the back of the bus. Yeah, we're like, okay, yep. 104 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: But it was it was it was a much more 105 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: like laid back environment. I mean, there was one hundred 106 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: people plus in this room and it wasn't like, yeah, 107 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: no cameras, just like the audio feed and the TV 108 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: is coming in. 109 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: Fac Actually there were cameras. I only know that because 110 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: my sister sent me. My sister sent me a clip 111 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: of me on the news that day. Yes, weird, there's 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: a picture of me and Dylan and like it's the 113 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: most like I mean, I think it was the angle 114 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: and we looked so unserious in our in our suits, 115 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: so we just looked like clowns. But all that to say, 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: the experience in the the spillover room was actually unique 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: because the tape you heard is raw from the actual 118 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: congressional hearing, but in that room we were kind of 119 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: separated from the tension of everyone else. And there were 120 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: moments where towards the end when David Grush was saying 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: things like crash retrieval programs and biologics recovered bodies, non 122 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: human biologics. 123 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the reaction in the room you guys 124 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: were in, Because I know, in like the main room, 125 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: the like room on cameras, where everybody was, where Grush 126 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: was at, where everybody that they were, there was a 127 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 4: little bit of ruckus. 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: They literally started clapping. 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: In the main congressional room where the hearing is going on, 130 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: it was just dead silence. People were very stoic. Nobody 131 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 3: had any expression on their face at all. It was 132 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: just give the facts, get it on the record. But 133 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: in this room next door, people are clapping and gasping 134 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: whenever something crazy would happen, and people were laughing, and 135 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: just like it was such a different, unique experience. 136 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 5: It's such a cool way to experience it. 137 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: I looked, I remember I looked at you in the face. 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: When people started clapping, it was like, what is happening? 139 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: Because they felt just bizarre. I'm like, one we flew 140 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: here on a whim to go to this random, suspenseful 141 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: UAP congressional hearing where some whistleblowers going to give some 142 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: bombshell information and turns out he does still a big mystery. 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: But we're sitting in there and we're hearing this happen live, 144 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: and it's like everyone in at least the room that 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: we're in is basically it felt like. 146 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: We were in a room full of fans, yeah, fanboy stuff. 147 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: And a part of me was like, Okay, is this 148 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: like UFO fan people? But then I kind of backtracked 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: a little bit and was like, Okay, maybe maybe some yes, 150 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: But there's also a level of people here who clearly 151 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: weren't just UFO fan people who flew in or drove 152 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: here from Virginia. There were other people there who seemed 153 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: to have been people who probably touted this same sort 154 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: of energy and the same topic for a long time 155 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: and felt maybe vindicated or something. 156 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: Well, think about how popular Star Wars is, Star Trek is. 157 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 4: You don't have to be necessarily a UFO fanboy to 158 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 4: be excited for this news that you probably knew was 159 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 4: coming at some point in your life. But Steven Spielberg, 160 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 4: all of his movies e t close encounters like there 161 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 4: are people who are just deep down fans of wanting 162 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 4: to believe. 163 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's why I felt weird because I was 164 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: at Congress, literally in a suit, out of place. I 165 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: felt like I was at a church on a Sunday 166 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: where I didn't know if I had all the right 167 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: things in order, and I was you know, I was 168 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: at a place I was like, Okay, are we. 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: Doing this right? 170 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: And then when people were clapping and awing and owing, 171 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I was kind of like, what the hell is going on? 172 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm kind of split on what that meant. I think 173 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: there was, Yeah, there was some people who were like, yeah, 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: we told you so, but like, I don't really like 175 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: that energy. But I'm also kind of like maybe they're right. 176 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, well, I mean I've always kind of 177 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: thought that too. But either way, we're witnessing something that's 178 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: profound to happen at Congress. And regardless of whether David 179 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: Grush is telling the truth or not, he testified under 180 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: oath under penalty of law and made some very bold claims, 181 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: and as someone who seems to say it in a 182 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: very believable. 183 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: Way, yeah, I mean it. Being there it felt like 184 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 3: a very historic event. I remember when when we were 185 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: sitting in that room, I was texting all my family 186 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: and friends just being like, wake up, go watch this 187 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: right now. This is disclosure happening. 188 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: You're you're awake. 189 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 5: Wake up at ten am. 190 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: I thought it's like, get woke, you wake up. 191 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 192 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: I remember thinking like this is disclosure, Like this is 193 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: he's the whistleblower. It's going to happen today and we're here, 194 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: and I thought it was this and it you know, 195 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: in a sense, it was I think the first step. 196 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: It was the first step towards disclosure. 197 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: I mean that is what happened. 198 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a small step towards disclosure. But I 199 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: think in hindsight, I mean that was what two or 200 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: three years ago now, and I'd argue, we're really no 201 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: closer than we were then. There have been maybe three 202 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: other meetings that were similar with other whistleblowers that have 203 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: come out in Congress. But it kind of sucks to 204 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: see we're this far into it and nothing's really changed. 205 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: We're really no closer to disclosure than we were at 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: the very beginning a few years ago, or at any 207 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: point in history. I would argue, and that that was 208 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: kind of a bummer. But I'm curious what you guys 209 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: think about that. 210 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: I would first argue, is that actually true? I don't 211 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: think that's actually factually true. I mean, I could see 212 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: how it. I mean, one, the entire UFO narrative is exhausting, 213 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: and it has been its entire existence. But I wouldn't 214 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: say that David Grusha's test simony and all this happened 215 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: since then is a dead end. 216 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 4: I would first say that I think everyone, everyone, to 217 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 4: a certain extent, I think people do just plain and 218 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: simple want to believe. I think more people than are 219 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: willing to admit want to believe. To play Devil's Advocate 220 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: with David Grush. As much as I love what David 221 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: Grush said, it didn't prove anything. It didn't push the 222 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 4: needle forward. Yes, I was so excited when he said 223 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: the things he did. Biologics, pilots, recovered crash materials. These 224 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 4: are all the things people who want to believe have 225 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: been waiting for someone of some credential to say. But 226 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: there was no smoking gun, there was no proof, there 227 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: was no video footage, there was no real right. It 228 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 4: was nothing more more than what we've heard since the eighties, which. 229 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: This to me, brings me to the biggest question there 230 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is to anyone period about kind of anything, but especially 231 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: this topic. 232 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: What is proof to you? Like, straight up, what is 233 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: proof to you? Actually? 234 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: Because what if so and so went to Congress and said, hey, 235 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: the same things David Grush said anything whatever, Hey, we 236 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: have uh, we have all these spacecraft in Area fifty one, 237 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: and we have we have uh non human bodies, we 238 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: have non human biologics and aliens. 239 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: Here, here's the photos. Then what. 240 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Does that become something where we just kind of debate 241 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: whether or not it's true. 242 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard you both say in the past. You know, 243 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: even if with one certainty disclosure happened and UFOs landed 244 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: on the White House salawn and said, hey, we're here, 245 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: check us out, even then, fifty percent of people would 246 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: say that's bullshit, that's AI, that isn't really happening. They'd 247 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: come up with some excuse to not believe it, and 248 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: the other half might believe it. But I think what 249 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: fascinated me to the most about David Gresher's testimony and 250 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: you know, more recent testimonies, is that people say people 251 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: in really high positions of power in the military and 252 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 3: the government are coming out and saying these crazy things, 253 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: and then there's just no real response from people. It 254 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: doesn't seem like maybe people are desensitized to it in 255 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: a way, but it doesn't seem like people design. Yeah, 256 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 3: and it could be by design, but it doesn't seem 257 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 3: like people really were chaotic and afraid in the way 258 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people were afraid that 259 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: they would be. I think we almost went too far, 260 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: and now people don't even care about it. And maybe 261 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: that's what I'm seeing more than anything, is that people 262 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: seem so desensitized in our news cycle and everything going 263 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: on with the media that when these claims are happening, 264 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: it didn't even make the top news cycle of the day, 265 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: you know, and that was a little disheartening. But also 266 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: so maybe it's promising for disclosure in the future. At 267 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: some point, maybe we are ready to learn something more 268 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: about what's out there in the world, if that information 269 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: does exist. 270 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: To kind of shift gears here. 271 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: I want to say that in general, I've always been 272 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: of the mind where the UFO topic a decade ago 273 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: to me was always kind of tiresome. 274 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: It was just something. 275 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, me personally, I would I want to believe 276 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: tiresome because it felt like it was so fringe. All 277 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, there was incredible stories from whistleblowers and 278 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: people from the government and things connecting in ways where hey, 279 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: this is actually just real reporting, not just fun semi 280 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: fictional documentary kind of stuff you see on some TV network, right, 281 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: And that sort of mentality is gone. So what's here 282 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: now is I feel like everyone in the world because 283 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: they have a phone, And I don't blame them, I'm 284 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: you too. We want proof of everything, But what is 285 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: proof exactly? And I don't mean that in some like 286 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: total weirdo abstract way, I really don't. I mean it 287 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: in a way that's like, what is proof to you? 288 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: Like actually, and what does that mean? This whole topic 289 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: has converged at a point in technology of us where 290 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: it just so happens that AI can basically make everything 291 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: that could be a drone that's AI, that's fake. 292 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: It's like everything's just kind of muddied. 293 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: With technology today. You can no longer believe your eyes 294 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 3: or your ears, and that makes you question what even 295 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: can be real, what can be classified as real, what 296 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: can we even agree on as real? In today's media 297 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 3: escape And it's so hard to know. I mean, nobody 298 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: has the answer for that, but I will say, bringing 299 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: it back to high strange, what I loved about this 300 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: season was that we focused on archival cases or cases 301 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: from decades ago when the waters were much less muddy, 302 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: when you had real recordings of people from the seventies 303 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: and eighties, When you have audio recordings of Dave Davies 304 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 3: and Whitley Streiber when their children are very young, telling 305 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: exactly the same story decades ago that they're telling now. 306 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: For me, I think, especially in today's landscape, that brings 307 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: so much credibility to their stories, and it gives you 308 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: sort of like a baseline of something to believe that 309 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: is true. And I love that we focused on those 310 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: cases in this season because you just I think you 311 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: guys did a really great job of like putting those 312 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 3: stories together and telling them in a way that's like 313 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 3: really manageable and understandable and give some real element of 314 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: like truth and investigation to this field. 315 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 4: I would even counterpoint a little bit what you were 316 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 4: saying Johnny Mack, who wrote, you know, the book on 317 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 4: abductions and doing all of the research into people who 318 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 4: are experiencers schackvall Ay they've been doing this for so 319 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: long without anyone believing them. 320 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: There's been some legit people who aren't all fringe conspiracy right, 321 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: who were just. 322 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 4: Hey, like look, no, they're on the matter of. 323 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: Just talking about this stuff and been researching this stuff 324 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: their fucking whole life. 325 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 4: So like David is like, finally that like told you so, 326 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 4: almost right, or it could be, could be. But you 327 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 4: can also say, yeah, you know, all these people have 328 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: been maybe making all this up. But there's just if 329 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 4: you really really dig in and you really really research 330 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: the topic, there are so much that points more towards 331 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 4: that there is something versus in my opinion, pointing towards 332 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 4: it's all made up. 333 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: That makes me think about the physical things that we've 334 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: seen this season. 335 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: I'm talking about literally in Oregon. 336 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: We went to Oregon for the mcmainville UFO Festival, and 337 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: we kind of all split off into different camps and 338 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: we're recording different things, and then tilling you ended up 339 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere eastern Oregon. Literally, we thought 340 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: you were missing for like twenty four hours. 341 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 2: We were like, okay, we'll give it what it was. 342 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: We'll give it about twelve more hours before we'd call 343 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: the police. 344 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: The amount of times your phone just straight up did 345 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 4: not like. 346 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: Should we be concerned. We're like, nah, it's stealing. 347 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: We're like, okay, in twelve hours, if he has not responded, 348 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: we're definitely sending out an alert. 349 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: I'm glad to know you guys have my back, because 350 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 5: I was fucking no. 351 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: It was like, okay, what was the last time he 352 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: texted you. 353 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: We're all we're all checking each other like it, but 354 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: he texted you then, and then then okay he last service? 355 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: Then okay, Yeah, it makes sense. 356 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: I did pull the mom move of being like, yo, 357 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: you gotta check in call me when you get to call. 358 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: Me, and like we knew you weren't, like so we 359 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: would be on a call with you and you're like, yeah, 360 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm actually about to. 361 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: Oh like Dylan Dylan dyn Yeah, man. 362 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: There was I mean, there was no cell signal anywhere 363 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 3: in like the part of Oregon, this like one hundred 364 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: square mile area that I was in an organ but yeah, 365 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: I just you know, we went out there for the 366 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: UFO Fest and I just decided to break away, take 367 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: a rental car and just you know, with nothing but 368 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: a dream, just go to a bunch of random little 369 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: towns and just like hope, I'd run into something. In 370 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: the eighties, there was a string of cattle mutilations that 371 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: happened all throughout eastern Oregon, and as the story goes, 372 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 3: all of these ranchers all over the area would find 373 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 3: these mutilated cows. And it's not necessarily weird to find 374 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 3: dead cows on a property as big and as expansive 375 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: as eastern organ Is and these ranches, which are hundreds 376 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: of square miles each. But what was weird about this 377 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: subsect of cattle mutilations. It was that they all had 378 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: the same type of mutilation. They would have the genitals 379 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: cut off, they would have the tongue taken out sometimes 380 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: like the cheek and the eye taken out. But what 381 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 3: was weird about it is that happened in the eighties. 382 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: It was written off as a satanic cult at the time, 383 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: and that became the narrative, the global narrative, and the zeitgeist. 384 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: And there were two camps of people, some who thought 385 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: it was a satanic cult and some who thought it 386 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: was aliens. And that's why in today's pop culture you'll 387 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 3: see things like cows being zipped up into UFOs, being 388 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: tractor beamed up. It comes from these stories in eastern 389 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: Oregon of these mutilated cows that were very unexplained and 390 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: nobody ever really found an answer. 391 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 5: There were a lot of. 392 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 3: Theories, but it was never solved. But I was curious, 393 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 3: you know, was that still going on? Is that still 394 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: a thing? Or were these people around. Were the people 395 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: who were there in the eighties still around? Would they 396 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: want to talk? And luckily, you know, all three of 397 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: our brands combined, we figured it out. I went out 398 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: there and I struck out a few times, and then luckily, 399 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: you guys found a name online that led to one thing, 400 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: it led to another, and then before he knew it, 401 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: we had four or five interviews of just all these 402 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: people telling the same story across hundreds of square miles, 403 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: which was we own cattle, we're multi generation cattle ranchers, 404 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: and we're all seeing these weird, mutilated deaths of our 405 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: cattle and they're completely unexplained. Nobody's helping us. The police 406 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: can't help. We have no answer, and we need help. 407 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: And that was the through line of all these stories. 408 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: And it was creepy to be out there on the 409 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: ground seeing that and documenting it. And we didn't talk 410 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: about it in the season. Maybe it'll be next season, 411 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: who knows. But yeah, So I went to one ranch 412 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 3: and the ranchers wanted to remain anonymous, so I'll keep 413 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: them anonymous. But they told me when I got there, 414 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: one rancher connected me to another and they said, hey, 415 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: we actually have a mutilated cow on our property right now. 416 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: She died nine days ago, and it has all the 417 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 3: classic symptoms of everything. Tongue's gone, genital's gone, no blood 418 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: on the scene. It's been flattened as if it were 419 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 3: dropped from a great height and it just landed on 420 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: the ground. And there's a bunch of other weird stuff about, 421 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: like the time it took to deteriorate, and you know, 422 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: animals and predators wanted to scavenge the bones, and just 423 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: a bunch of weird stuff. Generally you saw though, but 424 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: I saw it. Yeah, I got to go there. It 425 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: was pictures, right, I've got pictures and videos and we'll 426 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: put those on social post them. Yeah, we'll get them 427 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 3: on social. Part of this is probably a little illegal, 428 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: so I'm not going to say all the details. Oh God, 429 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 3: but when when I saw this cow, my first thought 430 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: was like I gotta collect some samples of this fucking thing. 431 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: Like I'm probably two hours from cell signal on this ranch. 432 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: I mean literally middle of the desert, nowhere. 433 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: No one's looking. 434 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: I had a knife and I had a cup, so 435 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 3: I you know, I cut off some samples of the dirt. 436 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: I cut off some samples of the cow, and then 437 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 3: I shipped it to a through an undisclosed mail carrier called. 438 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: The United States. I don't think what matters to Portland, 439 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 2: to the FedEx more. 440 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: Maybe though, that's actually that's surprisingly close to what I 441 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 3: actually Okay, I mailed some pieces of this cow back 442 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: to our office, and they still sit in this office. 443 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you where, but it's still stealed. 444 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: Up it here. I'm with him. We've sent this in 445 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: for testing. We're waiting for results. 446 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 5: And we'll see. 447 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: But anyway, that's I mean, more or less, that's the story. 448 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 5: You know. 449 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: I traveled all over Oregon. I talked to I think 450 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 3: in total, four ranchers and a sheriff, and all of 451 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: them told me the same story, that this is a 452 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: very real phenomenon. None of them have an answer for it, 453 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: and they're all a little bit terrified of what the 454 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 3: answer might be, and all of them, for the most part, 455 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: I'd say four out of five truly deeply believed aliens 456 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 3: were involved and that it must be UFOs involved. 457 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: So one thing I want to clear up really fast, 458 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: because when I made High Strained Season one, one of 459 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: my friends bought me this little Etsy thing where it 460 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: was a cow being abducted by a UFO, the classic 461 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of thing, right, And it's kind of just a 462 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: ridiculous symbolic it's a trope, right, But when you look 463 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: at this for real, you have real farmers, real ranchers. 464 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: This is their business. They're real cowboys. They're out there 465 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: these animals themselves. They're not just pets. They're a business 466 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: for them. And so when you start kind of breaking 467 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: it down when you have these ranchers saying something weird 468 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: happened to my animal, which is like their livelihood almost 469 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: kind of the equivalent of someone who has horses or something, 470 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: and they're like, one of my horses is maimed or 471 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: is hurt, and I raise horses. 472 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do this to my horse. 473 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of the same idea, and you're like, Okay, 474 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: nothing to gain from them by making this up. 475 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 2: They're kind of like yelling into the void. 476 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: Maybe some journalists in Portland, Oregon will pick it up 477 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: and they'll do it one time and they're like, yeah, 478 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: there's some there's still weird cattle things going on down there, 479 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: but what is actually going on. It's such an unbelievable 480 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: thing that if you're not informed, I would totally understand 481 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: why your first thought would be that this is entirely bullshit. 482 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: But it's not made up at all. You have real 483 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: ranchers who were literally only saying I don't know how 484 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: my animals died, and I want to know why, to 485 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: the extent where I will call the Sheriff's office, I'll 486 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: put up a reward, and ten years later, I'll talk 487 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: to you about it. Because I still lose sleep about this. 488 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: And they're hesitant about some extraterrestrial explanation, but they're also 489 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: strangely like, but maybe because everything else becomes equally as weird. 490 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one thing to hear these stories on the 491 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: podcast through the lens of like this beautiful theatrical edit 492 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 3: with all these cool music tracks and sound effects and everything. 493 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: You mean, like high strange, like. 494 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 3: Something like a podcast called high Strange but you hear 495 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 3: it through that lens and you think, oh, it's just 496 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: like a story. 497 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: It's just like a movie, that's what I mean. 498 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: And it's like it's kind of fantastical fear, it's very fantastical. 499 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: But under that lens, like under the service of that, 500 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: when you're really sitting in the room with these people, 501 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: you realize like they fully believe and it's not even 502 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 3: a belief, like they are living this every day. 503 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: They're thanking us for covering this, like they were very thankful. 504 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have no clue. 505 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: What the hell is going on, and we hope that 506 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: we find out one day, So thanks for keeping this 507 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. 508 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: And the thing is like, none of them have answers. 509 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: But when I think, when your brain doesn't have an answer, 510 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: it tends to fill the void with something. You said 511 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: this in you know, one of the episodes, and it's 512 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: a very real phenomenon. And I saw that happen with 513 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 3: all these people where they didn't have answers. So they 514 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: did what any rational human being would do is go 515 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 3: and google the answers, google the questions and see what 516 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: answers appear. And every time they all I think diverged 517 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: onto the same place in the Internet, which was cattle 518 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: mutilations in relation to UFOs, and it was all of 519 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: the pictures and all the videos seeing cattles that have 520 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: been mutilated all over the world in exactly the way 521 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 3: that their cows were, and that gave them this understanding 522 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: that oh shit, this isn't just happening to me. It's 523 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: happening everywhere, and it's called cattle mutilations and it's UFOs 524 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: causing it. So I think it was like almost like 525 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 3: a retroactive process where like these people saw their cows 526 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: getting mutilated, had no idea what to think of it, 527 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 3: asked the authorities they didn't know, asked their friends and family, who, 528 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: by the way, also had similar things happen, but didn't 529 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 3: want to talk about it publicly. With me, it's happening 530 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: all over the place out there, but I think they 531 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: only could come to that final answer, which is the 532 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: only thing that we have today, which is cattle mutilations 533 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: in aliens. And who knows if that's real or if 534 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 3: it's not real, but the facts are it's definitely really happening. 535 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: Those cows really died. I saw them myself, and these 536 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: people seem to believe that it is aliens, So make 537 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: of that way you will. 538 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: Well, I mean they may seem to believe that, they 539 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: also definitely don't know what it is. That's that's the 540 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: that's the real thing is that they're not trying to 541 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: sell any of anyone as story. They're basically saying, hands up, 542 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: my animal got killed. Can anyone help me figure out 543 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: how this is happening? 544 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 545 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 4: I would love to just push this thought experiment a 546 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 4: little further down the road and bring up that Whitley 547 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 4: was the butt of the joke of episode one of 548 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 4: South Park? 549 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: Wait was he actually episode one? It was the this 550 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: is when they did the probe joke. The probe joke. 551 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: This is one of the biggest turns out, one of 552 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: the biggest cartoons in the history of. 553 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean humans. If you don't almost hell pargoes, then 554 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: you don't know what anything is. 555 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 4: But like, how much did that push the narrative? Like 556 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 4: how much do these ranchers not want to come forward 557 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: and be like, we think it could have been a 558 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 4: we think it's non human. Right, you're now the butt 559 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: of the joke because you're saying the thing that you 560 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 4: actually just believe. Right, maybe Whitley is in the same 561 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 4: spot where he's like, I'm just saying my experience what 562 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: I believe, same as these ranchers, this is what happened 563 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: to me. 564 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? I will say this, 565 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: Whitley'streeber's story is polarizing. 566 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: When I look at Whitley's story, one I take into 567 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: account that he's made several best selling novels based on 568 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: his stories. 569 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: He's also made movies, and that's all good. 570 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, if this ever genuinely happened 571 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: to me, I would hope to have done the same thing. 572 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna use that as some sort of 573 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 1: discounting factor here, but at the same time, as a 574 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: storyteller myself and as a kind of journalistic mind, the 575 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: first place my mind wanders is and I kind of 576 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: asked him this sort of off the cuff, where does 577 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: this sort of fictionalized version maybe blend with the real version? 578 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Not in some way where it's that I'm trying to 579 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: disprove anything that That's where I think that this becomes 580 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: a stupid debate. Whitley Strieber believes that that happened to him. 581 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: Now he also made blockbuster movies and novels about this. 582 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 3: I do want to ask two things. I want to 583 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: ask about the implant in his ear? 584 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 5: You felt it? 585 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: I did? 586 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 5: What did it feel like? 587 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: What? 588 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: Like, describe the shape of it? Did it feel like anything? 589 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 3: Or did it just seem like it was like a sister? 590 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 3: What was your take? 591 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a doctor, so to me, it 592 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: felt like a BB, like a from a BB gun. 593 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: Imagine like a slightly smaller BB maybe fine. 594 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: It wasn't like a. 595 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: Skin tag kind of thing where it was like I'd like, 596 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: oh that he's like right here, and I'm like, oh, 597 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: under his skin. 598 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: Under his skin like in his ear lobe hm. 599 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 5: I do wonder that. 600 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: So he says in his interview that it activated thirty 601 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: minutes ago. Did he give you any more information about 602 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: like what the hell he was talking about? 603 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: Like he did? 604 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: What was his theory on what that was? It sounded 605 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: like he was saying it was like recording or it 606 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: was listening right like what was going on with that? 607 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: He basically told me that he believes this implant of 608 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: his in his ear makes him smarter, more creative, and 609 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: that is not always on, and that when it does 610 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: turn on that he's more active and more in tune 611 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: and can access more of his own brain, and I 612 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of challenged it, and then his response was actually 613 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: kind of neutral. He was basically saying to me that 614 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: he wishes other people had this same thing, and not 615 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: like in a I'm better than you kind of way, 616 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: in a way where he's like, it's a shame that 617 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: this is like some technology that would benefit other people. 618 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: There are parts of Whitley Strieber's story that, from a 619 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: human standpoint, maybe I have trouble seeing between the lines 620 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: of where his incredible fiction narration blends to his real life. 621 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know what those lines are. I don't 622 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: know what that gray area is, but without a doubt, 623 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: I do think something did happen to him. We have 624 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: so many stories we've researched and people we've talked to, 625 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: insane ufhone encounters that we've not even included in this 626 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: first installment, to the point where. 627 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: We just said, Okay, screw it. 628 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: We're doing an entire season three as well, dropping in June. 629 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: I Strange is a production by tender Foot TV in 630 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: association with iHeart Podcasts, created, hosted, and edited by myself 631 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay. Executive producers are myself and Donald Albright. 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