1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know? 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: that makes the Stuff you Should Know the College Football edition. Yes, 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: our first sportscast. Ever, I think we've never done it, dude, 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: really yeah, because I've always kind of wanted to, but 8 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: then I thought we'd be, you know, excluding anyone who's 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: not a sports fan. But we get a lot of 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: sports fans who say you should do this. Uh, well, 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: we'll throw them a bone here. It seems like we 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: need some sort of heraldry like do do do do you? 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: I could keep going. I wanted to sing final Count. 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: I was literally like stopping myself. Well, now we have 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: to pay a royalty since you name that tune. Buddy. Oh, 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: before we get started, let's plug fest our college tour. Yeah, 17 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do uh it's not exactly college tour, but 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: it is just oh yeah, that's a trivia tour. It was. 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: It's a national tour. But there's colleges in these places 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: where we're going. Yeah, we're going to do um anywhere 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: between five and seven cities, winding up in Austin as 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: far as I know. Yeah. Um, And we're kicking it 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: off October, which is the Wednesday in Atlanta, g A, 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: which is just down the street. We're actually in it 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: right now. Some would argue we kicked it off in 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, you could definitely make that case. So 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: New York brought the goods. Yeah, I wonder if Atlanta 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: will bring goods similar to New York. And and I'm 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: talking to you toub Birmingham and uh, Chattanooga, Well definitely. 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: And what else is close? Um, Charlotte's not too far 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: off Asheville's three hours. Ashville's got no excuse, and we're 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: not coming to Ashville. So this is your chance. Well 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: that's the beauty about the Southeast. Just go to Atlanta 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: and everybody drives. You just know you have to drive 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: if you're in the Nobody from Florida is welcome though, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: you'll be turned away at the door. Um. So yeah, 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: that's going to be October, which is a Wednesday. I'm 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: almost positive it's going to be at Five Seasons Brewery 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Brewing Company. Yeah. On the west Side. Um so up 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: on the roof. Yeah awesome. We'll be throwing more details 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: up on Twitter and our Facebook fan page stuff you 42 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: should know. And our Twitter feed is s Y s 43 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: K podcast in case you want to follow us, Um 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: and Chuck. I guess it's time we should get to 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: football rankings, right, yeah, this one. Uh, we should just 46 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: go ahead and say that the article for this one 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: on our website is a little out of date. And 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: college football and the BCS is ever changing, so I 49 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: kind of expected that it wouldn't be, you know, really 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: up to date. It's changed a lot over the past 51 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: six years. It's changed a lot over the past six minutes. Actually, 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, Um, yeah, it's might you know, we're gonna 53 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: do our best here. Uh. Not only that, if you 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: thought the Quantum Suicide podcast was hard to follow, Buddy, 55 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: get a pen and piece of paper out right now, 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: because there's gonna be some detailed equations and afterward there 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: will be a quiz. Chuck. I tend normally to lean 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: more towards UM A p the Associated Press over USA 59 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: today for accuracy and reporting, right, but I looked at 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: the n c a A Football rankings today preseason, uh, 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: and I saw that USA Today has Georgia ranked twenty one, 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: whereas A P has Georgia ranked twenty three. So I'm 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: leaning towards USA Today's reporting. Today they both have tech 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: ring hired to Yeah, it doesn't matter. Let Tech get 65 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: the number one spot and then come Thanksgiving will knock 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: them out of it. It's one of the great joys 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: in my life when we have a terrible season, but 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: we may have a good season. It remains to be seen. 69 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: I can't say anything. I don't even know who are 70 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: starting quarterback is going to be? Is that Aaron Murray? 71 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: It's Aaron Murray and Murray Murray. It's like try to now, 72 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: I wonder where she'd been. I think she's been in 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: the same place for several years. No, she did, I think, 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: so we should probably look that up there too, Anne Murray, 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: if you're not dead, we apologize. We've greatly exaggerated your 76 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: so chuck before the BCS, right, there was a streat 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: line in a John Travolta movie, and I can't believe 78 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: these words are coming out of my mouth. But why 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: you sweet? That's that's my impression. No, the um that 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: movie was Michael. I think it was where he played 81 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: like a kind of down to earth angel who like 82 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: drugs and boozing and womenizing. You saw it, okay, so 83 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: it was like kind of a cute movie. But there 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: was one thing that he said that I've always thought 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: was very clever was that he told somebody in that 86 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: movie that he invented lines. And before then people were 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: just standing around, like bumping into each other and didn't 88 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: know what to do. So I kind of have the 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: same impression of college football season and their end pre BCS. 90 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of bumping into everybody else. There was a 91 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: distinct possibility that you had a number of teams claiming 92 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: the number one spot in no way to resolve that. 93 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: And you know, we humans are very much into saying 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: you are clearly number one. And the BCS, while it 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: had a rockie start at first, has kind of fulfilled 96 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: that spot. Right It's got a pretty good UM record 97 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: the last six or ten years, right well, according to 98 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: the BCS and ESPN, Yeah, well we might as well 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: go ahead and say, um. The BCS claims that in 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: the twelve years since it's been around, there twelve or 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: twelve according to their formulas, and there nine for twelve 102 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: according to like coaches polls as far as matching up 103 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: the two best teams to play for the national title. 104 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: And previous to that, like you said, for decades, teams 105 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: played each other in bowl games and then sports writers 106 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: voted on a national champion, which is kind of made up. 107 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: It's beyond ridiculous. If you think the BCS predict, let's 108 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: that's even more ridiculous. Yeah, and um, well, let's talk 109 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: about how the BCS is calculated. Right, Well, what are 110 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: what are the BCS. There's five games before there were 111 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: twenty five bowl games? Is that correct? Uh, they're twenty 112 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: nine games aside from the BCS games before. Now now 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: there's twenty nine excluding the BCS games. Okay, but before 114 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: I understand that they were like twenty five bowl games 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: and they were all important because there was no BCS. 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: Well important to varying degrees, right, But it's almost like 117 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: playing musical chairs with eight kids, but with nine chairs, 118 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: you know. So, Um, the BCS comes in and says, hey, 119 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: we're going to make sure the clear winners established, and 120 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: we're going to do so by establishing that we're gonna 121 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: say these Bowl games are actually the important ones, right, 122 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: and they are what they are, the Sugar Bowl, the 123 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, and the Fiesta Bowl, and 124 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: they all have different sponsors that kind of change, and 125 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: we're not paid by any of them, so we're not 126 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: going to mention. Huh. Well, three of the four of 127 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: these in this article are wrong. That's how much they've changed. 128 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: You know. I think Tostitos is the only one that's 129 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: still actively sponsoring the Fiesta Bowl and the There's big 130 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: money involved in these things, right, There's payouts that go 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: directly to the schools involved and then also to their conferences. Right, Yeah, 132 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: should we break that down? Let's do it? How that works? Uh? 133 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: Last year, the payout for the National title game was 134 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars per team, so thirty what is that for? 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Thirty four million bucks? But the team doesn't get all 136 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: of that, It is split. You get a participation fee, 137 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: and then after the participation participation fee is taken out, 138 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the money is split among all the 139 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: teams in the conference. So the SEC is loaded with talent. 140 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: They send let's say eight teams to bowls. So that's 141 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot of money coming to schools like Vanderbilt in 142 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Kentucky that may not go to of all, so they 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: love it. I think I probably already know the answer 144 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: to this, right, But are you one of those people 145 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: who when George is not in a game, you still 146 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: root for the SEC. I root for all SEC teams 147 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: except for Florida, thank you, and uh boy, Tennessee is 148 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: tough for me to get behind. Trouble rooting for Tennessee 149 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: as well. But if it was like Tennessee versus USC, 150 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: I would certainly root for Tennessee. But I can never 151 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: root for Florida no matter what happens. Now, I can't either, Chuck, 152 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: and I'm glad to hear you say that. I also 153 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: have trouble rooting for Tech. Some people are like, well, 154 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: it's a Georgia team, so if George is not playing, 155 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: then I root for Tech, And I'm like, you're a 156 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: communist at don't root for Tech. They're sort of neutral. 157 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: Like I root for their basketball team because I liked 158 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: them back in the day, but not not for football. 159 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: And my brother works there, so I gotta keep it 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: on the you know, up and up. That's very nice 161 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: of you keep it in the family. So, Chuck, what 162 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: should we talk about next? Well, the BCS is um 163 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: is not a body. It's an event which consists of 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: these football games, and it's managed by the UM Bowl, 165 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the BCS, subdivision conferences and these are the big boys, right, 166 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: But don't you get the And I was surprised to 167 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: hear this. There's an ESPN article that you sent me 168 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: giving it background background of the BCS, and it said, 169 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: like two nine pole showed se of n c a 170 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: a coach's favor keeping the BCS in place over a playoff. Right. 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: That kind of flies in the face of information that 172 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: I've had, like anecdotally, you know, I mean, I know, 173 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: I've never asked Mark Rick, you know, on the spot, 174 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: but I get the impression that there's a lot more 175 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: people that want playoffs than don't, definitely, and that the 176 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: BCS is something of an entity and it's not just 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, this this panel that's you know, created by 178 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: this democracy, that it's more like an iron fist and 179 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: if you don't like it, they'll you'll be c Is 180 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: that not the case? How well? They say they're not entity, 181 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: but I bet they have an office. I bet they 182 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: kind bet people work there, and I bet there's just 183 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: iron desks for their iron fists. I should know, though, 184 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: I did say that the BCS conferences were who make 185 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: up this this body. We also have to include Notre 186 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: Dame in there because you actually get to vote, although 187 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: you don't include Notre Dame as much as you used to. No, 188 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean they're still in there though. They get their 189 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: participation included UM as an independent, as does Army and Navy, 190 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: which is interesting too. Yeah, a Notre Dame gets three 191 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: votes in Army and Navy get one each. Right, Well, 192 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: that's votes for UM. Those are nominations for the Harris 193 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: Interactive Football Poll. This is going to be all over 194 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: the place. It is, but it's okay, we're making sense 195 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: so far. I mean, the BCS came around in ninety eight. 196 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: It established that there's five bowls. We sent the bowls, right, Well, yeah, 197 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: but four plus the national title game? Right, And it's 198 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: not just like, okay, here's the rankings and then the 199 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: season's over, so one versus to you go play two 200 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: versus three, ugo play three versus or four versus five. 201 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen like that. But that's kind of counterintuitive 202 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: until you realize that the BCS algorithm is the most 203 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: complex algorithm ever created by man and it's actually composed 204 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: of a number of different algorithms spitting out numbers and 205 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: then those numbers are factored in. So I think, Chuck, 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: we put it off long enough and we can't any longer. 207 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk mathematics and statistics. Okay, yes, Uh, you're gonna 208 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: have to explain some of this, but um, because math 209 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: is not my strong talk about the subjective pulse. How 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: about that I was told there would be no math. 211 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: I'll try to handle the math as best as possible, 212 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be like that one kind of breathalyzer 213 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: that I thought I understood. Well, Uh, things have changed, Josh. 214 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: Since it was originally the BCS was set up a 215 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: certain way, and then in two thousand and two and 216 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: two thousand four a lot of changes took place. It 217 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: used to be UM four fact jurors that weighed into 218 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: the BCS ranking, and now there are only three factors. 219 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: The A P I'm sorry, the USA today A Coaches poll. Right. 220 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: The AP pole was replaced um before the two thousand 221 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: four season, I think by the Harris Interactive Pole. And 222 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: then the last third is a very complex computer ranking system. Uh. 223 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: An average of six computer rankings are averaged and that 224 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: is the last thirty three and the third percent. Right. 225 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: And these UM computer rankings are basically independent groups or 226 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: people who say, yeah, we're following football and we have 227 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: a pretty good algorithm, and here's our contribution. UM. There 228 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: used to be I think eight, and now there's six. UM. 229 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: So you've got guys like Richard Billingsley, who's just a 230 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: businessman I love it and apparently likes to to come 231 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: up with college rankings in his spare time. Their statisticians 232 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: and mathematicians, right, and businessmen and businessmen. Yeah, so weird. 233 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: It is weird. Maybe his business is accounting, but UM, 234 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: so they'll they'll take into account. For example, the Billingsley 235 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: report uses the strength of the opponent final score UM, 236 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: and the win lose records of the teams before and 237 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: after the game. Right. Combine all these together and you 238 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: create a numerical value. Right. Some other people or some 239 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: other UM computer rankings systems like UM. Who else is 240 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: There's Seattle Times, which is run by a guy named 241 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Jeff Anderson who's a political science graduate student. Was and 242 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: I guess he's just a political scientist. Um. And Chris Hester, 243 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: who's a sportswriter and um, these two get together and 244 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: they take quality of opponent and strength of schedule. The 245 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: problem is, Chuck, is you can't just go, yeah, Boise 246 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: States doing pretty good, So we're gonna give them a 247 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: five for strength of schedule or strength of opponent or 248 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: quality of opponent, that kind of thing. Um, what they 249 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: have to take into account are wide factors like let's 250 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: say you win. Yeah, it's not just good enough that 251 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you're going to win. Who exactly did you beat? And 252 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: how do you quantify who you beat? Well, you say 253 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: where you play, right, So we have to look at yours, 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: not only your opponent's schedule, but your opponent's opponent's schedule, 255 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: and then you you put numerical values onto those, right, 256 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: the win loss, and then you calculate that, and you 257 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: come up with another numerical value that's called strength of schedule. 258 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: And to get down to the nitty gritty, the strength 259 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: of schedules calculated like this, You've got your opponent's schedule, Chuck, 260 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: you play Boise State. Boise State has been doing pretty good. 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm not playing there, dude, so you won't catch me 262 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: on a blue football field. You Well, well, there they 263 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: came and visited you, but you beat them between the hedges. 264 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: So you've got UM two times s O, and s 265 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: O is your opponent's schedule. Boise States schedule, you've got 266 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: two times that. Plut. They're Boise States opponents schedules, all 267 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: of them calculated to wins and losses. So it's two 268 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: times your opponents schedule plus Boise States opponents schedules equals 269 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: strength of schedule. Okay, that's just one component in some 270 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: computer rankings, and strength of schedule I think used to 271 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: be a standalone component, but now it's just factored in 272 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: with the rest. And they also threw out the margin 273 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: of victory. That used to be a factor as well, 274 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: but they could you remember that was a big deal 275 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: when coaches were running up the score. Florida would try 276 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and put like sixty points on a team, you know, 277 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: against like Louisiana Lafayette, and uh, they were like, you 278 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: know what, that's not really too cool. That really shouldn't 279 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: factor in. So that was thrown out right the scripts 280 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Howard UM poll, which I don't think is used any longer. 281 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: UM used to have a penalty actually for running up 282 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: the score before it was thrown out. Yeah, part of 283 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: their computer ranking was if you ran up the score, 284 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: you were penalized, which is good because guys like Steve 285 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: Spurrier used to need to be held in check. Now 286 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: he's holding himself in check. Look at you. That's good. 287 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: So is that all for the computer ranking? Third or 288 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: you still got something on that? No? I think I'm 289 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm good okay. Uh, then you have, like I said, 290 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: one third is the USA today, Uh, coach's poll and 291 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: that is literally coaches voting. Um, not all of them 292 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: always vote. I think there's a hundred and fourteen potential votes, 293 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: but there may be a hundred and six people vote 294 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: one week. Remember Steve Spurrier got some criticism at one 295 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: point because like he failed to vote in like some 296 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: really important week a couple of years back or something 297 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: like that, and he explained that he did and his 298 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: assistant lost a vote or something like that. I can't 299 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: remember what it was. But that is factored in as well. 300 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: They still don't divide by the same number, you know, 301 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: they'll they'll factor it down by the number of votes 302 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: that the number of possible votes. Yes, okay, to make 303 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: them more accurate. I've also heard accusations that in coaches polls, UH, specifically, 304 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: they have their kids vote sometimes, like they just can't 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: be bothered to vote, so they'll just be like fill 306 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: this out for me, will you, because they know their 307 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: kids watch some games or whatever. And that that's why 308 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 1: human polls are so fallible. That a lot of coaches 309 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: don't vote, and the coaches that appear to a vote 310 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: haven't necessarily voted themselves, and even if they have, they're 311 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: not completely informed. Because TCU horned frogs, I like frogs, 312 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: that's how it ends up. Yes, well that's how TCU 313 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: ended up in the top. Ever, I guess so because 314 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: of Ralph Wigham UM. And then you have the Harris 315 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Interactive Poll, and that um, like I said, replaced the 316 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: eight people and they ranked them each week from late 317 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: September to the end of the season. And I'm sorry 318 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: that has a d and fourteen participants. That was the 319 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: one fourteen I was thinking of, And UM, sorry I 320 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: didn't correct you, right, And they're not just coaches, they're 321 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: former coaches, student athletes, administrators, some media. And that is 322 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: where Notre Dame get to say, because you get to 323 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: nominate who was on this committee to vote for the 324 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: Interactive poll, and each conference see these where Notre Dame 325 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: gets away with something. In my opinion, each conference gets 326 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: ten nominations and Notre Dame gets three, Army gets one, 327 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: and Navy gets one. Yeah, so like the Big twelve 328 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: twelve teams get ten nominations, Notre Dame gets three all 329 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: by themselves. Right, Notre Dame has always gotten some sort 330 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: of weird free ride for some reason. Why we're gonna 331 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: hear about it. Yeah, but it's still I mean, it's true. 332 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: They they there's a lot of favoritism towards that team, 333 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: and I dare anybody to prove otherwise. Well, they haven't 334 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: been great recently, but they are. They still one of 335 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: the most favored, one of the most legendary teams. Yes, 336 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: just because Ronald Reagan played for you doesn't mean you're 337 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: a great team in two thousand and ten. You know, hey, 338 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: you're preaching the choir, my friend, so Chuck. When you 339 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: take these things together, the Harris Interactive Poll, the Coaches poll, 340 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: and the computer rankings numbers that you crunched together and 341 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: created one number. That's the third or third and third, right, Um, 342 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: the most you can get is one correct at one point? Oh, 343 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: actually at one point oh oh. The lowest score. You're 344 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: looking for a low score here, right, low score means 345 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: high ranking. This is where it gets a little hinky. 346 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: Sorry to steal your word, but in the article explicitly 347 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: says that you want the lowest score. Right, Yes, But 348 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: in this other material that we've gotten from the BCS site, 349 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: it looks like the the the higher the score, the 350 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: closer to a one point oh, the higher you're ranked. 351 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: Here's why I say that, chuck um in. In the 352 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: coach's poll, right, coaches vote from one to five and 353 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: assign each team ranking in reverse order. So if you're 354 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: number one, you get twenty five points. If you're in 355 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: twenty five place, you get one point, Right, so you 356 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: would want more points. Correct, Yeah, But here's here's where 357 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: I think it gets worked out if I'm correct and 358 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: understanding this. What happens is, let's take the Harris poll. 359 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: For instance. You take the total score of all your votes, 360 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: and you divide that by two thousand, eight hundred and fifty, 361 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: which is the maximum number that anyone can receive if 362 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: all one D fourteen voting members rank that same team 363 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: number one. So let's say everybody ranks Alabama number one, 364 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: a one fourteen that they get two thousand, eight hundred 365 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: and fifty total points, they divide that by two thousand, 366 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty, and so they end up getting 367 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: a one. Okay, okay, So if you got um, if 368 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: you divided I guess what one? If you had a 369 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: one and you divided that by two thousand, eight hundred 370 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: and fifty, I see, it would be much lower, right, 371 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: And the coach the coaches poll is the same thing. 372 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: They just divided by fourteen seventy five because that's the 373 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: maximum number. So at least I'm right in saying that 374 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: the best you could possibly get from the b CS 375 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: formula is a one point zero, I believe. And it 376 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: kind of follows that same thing, like you have a 377 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: one in anything less would be like a point nine 378 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: to oh or a point eight seven three? Right, yes, okay, yeah, 379 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. A plus B plus C divided by 380 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: three would be point right okay, okay, all right, And 381 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: see this is really confusing. It's like giving birth to 382 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: a watermelon, except with your head a square Japanese watermelon, 383 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: which would be even worse, especially if the edges were sharp. So, ladies, 384 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: when you're like, you know, if you're not into this. 385 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that not all ladies are into it, 386 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: but whoever's not into college football, and you poo poo it, 387 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: think about how complex the system is that they've worked out. 388 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: It's not just a bunch of guys sitting around drinking 389 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: beer smashing each other's heads in. It's very complex, right, 390 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: But I mean to the guys who are sitting around 391 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: smashing each other's heads in with beer being drunk around them, 392 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: it's still like I'm ranked twenty three. Yeah, true, you know, Okay, 393 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: so chuck, it sounds like we made it through the 394 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: math part. Yeah, what else is left? Uh? Well, that's 395 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of it. I mean, at the end of the year, 396 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: the math determines your ranking. And we should point out 397 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: that the BCS ranking, which determines who plays in these 398 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: BCS Bowls and National title game, that doesn't start getting ranked. 399 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: They don't do like preseason rankings or even early season 400 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: that starts in mid October. Right, the preseason rankings are 401 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: a p in USC today. Yeah right, and all sorts 402 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: of other rankings. You know, there's all kinds of people 403 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: that are like the BCS can't conceivably start because the 404 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: computer rankings have to take in like strength of schedule, 405 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: and you can't you can't determine that until somebody has 406 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: a winner a loss against them, right, Uh, unless you're 407 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: ranking by last year, right, Yeah, exactly. So mid October 408 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: is when the BCS rankings start to come out, and 409 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: that's about halfway through the football season, so they have 410 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: enough data at that point. I think that's why. Wait, 411 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: so check. You used to be the n c A 412 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: Football League, the conference, the whole thing was called Division 413 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: one A, and now it's called the Football Bowl Subdivision programs. 414 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not, Yeah, exactly. Do you 415 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: feel like we should have a playoff? Uh? Oh boy. 416 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: I think that they should work a playoff system into 417 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: the existing system somehow, and a lot of a lot 418 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: of people think that. I agree. I don't think that 419 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: there should be like um wild cards or anything like that, 420 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: although I think you need them mathematically, but I think 421 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: that you have to still place an emphasis on the 422 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: regular season, and it's possible to do that with with 423 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: a playoff system as well. Yeah. That's one of the 424 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: arguments against the playoff is that they some people say 425 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: that it will render the regular season. BC supporters say 426 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: will render the regular season not as important, And I 427 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: don't understand that logic because you still have to play 428 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: those games to get ranked high to get in the tournament. 429 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: They're not It's not like the basketball. They're not gonna 430 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: include sixty four football teams. They're gonna I mean, I've 431 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: heard different proposals from like sixteen teams to like the 432 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: final eight teams battle it out. Finally, eight teams would 433 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: be fine with me. Anything, anything where you determine it 434 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: on the football field would be fine with me, because 435 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: it's the only sport that it's not determined by a 436 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: bracket of some sort. One of the reasons why we 437 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: may never see a playoff is that the revenue associated 438 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: with bowl games has increased by like two thousand percent 439 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: since the BCS was instituted. So well, I think you 440 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: can still work within that system. I mean, you can 441 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: still call them bowl games and everything. You could just 442 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: put it in the form of a bracket. It would 443 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: add games, which would add more money. Um. Another reason 444 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: against it, they argue, is like risk of injury and 445 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: their student athletes, so they don't want to drag it 446 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: on into their academic year. But come on, it's all 447 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: about the dough it's this college athletics, but everyone knows 448 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: it's about the money. Um. I did read a UM 449 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: I read a few arguments today, like four and against 450 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: and one writer I think he was from Slate. He 451 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: calculated from his calculations. Um, he thinks only sevent of 452 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: n C Double A Division one eight teams even have 453 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: a shot to compete for the national title by his calculation. 454 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: Each year. Well, if you're not a BCS school, then 455 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 1: you're kind of out the door to begin with, Like 456 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: boise State may have a chance that they were on 457 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: the table this year, but that's a rarity, so that 458 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: takes you down to and then he says, uh, if 459 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: you don't start the season ranked number twenty or higher, 460 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: then you're almost mathematically eliminated. So that takes you down 461 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: to sevent can even compete for the national title. But 462 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: I also say, I mean, there's both sides to the 463 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: coin there. I also say, if you're you know, I'm 464 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: not gonna pick on Boisey State because they are a 465 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: good football team. But let's say you're like Colorado Appalachian 466 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: State who beat Michigan that what two years ago? Remember 467 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: that that was awesome. They in Michigan paid them like 468 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: a million dollars to come to Michigan. Michigan pound on 469 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: them and that. But teams like that, I mean, I 470 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of don't want to hear their argument that they 471 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: should be competing because they're not big boys. They're not 472 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: playing in the SEC. They're not playing in uh the 473 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: Big ten or the Big twelve. Yeah, but if you're not, 474 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: then you'll never attract talent. You can never get there. 475 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: It's a self defeating system. Yeah, So, I mean it's 476 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: very exclusive and elitist. Really from the schools with the 477 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: most money are the ones that get to be in 478 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: it and can perpetuate that that good program, the winning 479 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: program through more and more money. Yeah, yeah, you're right. 480 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: I did see another guy that said that he thought 481 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: they should do like um, I think it was a 482 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: sixteen team pool and and the top twelve BCS schools, Like, 483 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: you get your automatic if you win the SEC, you're in, 484 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: If you win the Big ten, you win, if you're 485 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve year in. So after all your 486 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: automatic bids make the rest like the last four or 487 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: whatever at large bids. So you can still have the 488 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Cinderella teams in there with the possibility, and you know 489 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: answered on the football field, if you can beat them, 490 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: great because boys State beat Oklahoma a few years ago. 491 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Remember in that ball game. Remember the statue of liberty play. 492 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy. They pulled out a play from like the nineties. 493 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: It was beautiful and one that was um I think 494 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: was that to three years ago. It was like the 495 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: greatest football season of all time. It was just all 496 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: over the place number UM Missouri was like number one 497 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: for a little while. There was like twenty different teams 498 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 1: number one. Yeah. Yeah, it's exciting. It's like three years ago. Right, 499 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: it's not very exciting. Like when you start the season 500 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: number one, you run the table unless you go to 501 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: that school. We should mention too though. There was one 502 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: change about um geez. Just about a month ago. Uh, 503 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: the BCS announced that teams that are ineligible for postseason 504 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: play are removed from the computer rankings and all six 505 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: of the formula was so basically this is like the 506 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,959 Speaker 1: USC rule. Oh yeah yeah. Because USC's on probation now, 507 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: they can't play in a bowl game for the next 508 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: like two years or something, and so they said, well, 509 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: we can't factor them in if they are the number 510 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: eight ranked team, if they can't even play in the postseason, right, 511 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: But not only that, if you're not eligible. I got 512 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: the impression like, once you've reached once it's statistically impossible 513 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: for you to be eligible through your losses, they start 514 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: taking you out of the rankings, and everybody below you 515 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: goes up one rank. No, I think if you, I 516 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: think that means if you're ineligible from like crime, yeah, 517 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: from from being a banned from postseason play, I'm pretty sure. 518 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: And as far as the code the human polls go, uh, 519 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: they said earlier this summer that the polls will not 520 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: include teams that are prohibited from the n t A. 521 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: So they went the same route. So but by USC 522 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: and there is the BCS. We could re record this 523 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: in probably twenty thirty minutes, and um, it would be 524 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: entirely different. Um. If you to know more about the BCS, 525 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: you should probably go to BCS dot com. There's a 526 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: handy search bar there, I'm sure. And just give us 527 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: a little while to get this article up to snuff. Okay, yeah, 528 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: we probably got something wrong here and there too. I 529 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: was just I hope we talked fast enough so that 530 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: where no one noticed. I have them in my head, 531 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: my friend Scott Galvin, um with his arms crossed, just 532 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: like shaking his head. He's in the sound booth right 533 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: behind you. Actually, like I could feel it. Actually, all right, Well, 534 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: thanks for listening to me and talk about college football. Um, 535 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: for whatever reason you want to, you should go to 536 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: house stuff works dot com. There's a handy search bar there. 537 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: Make something up and type it in and it will 538 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: take you to a beautiful new place. Just spell it correctly, 539 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: or also won't take you anywhere. Right. Yeah, Um, that 540 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: brings us. Then I guess to listener mail. Yes, Josh, 541 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a two parter because it's long. 542 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: We heard from a prisoner about our prison email, and 543 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: he gave us lots of good stuff, and I told 544 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: him I was going to read it. It's an anonymous 545 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: because he is a straight shooter. Now he's on the level, 546 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: doing very good in his profession, a square, and nobody 547 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: in his profession knows that he was arrested for dealing math, 548 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: and so he wants to keep it that way. Does 549 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: he work here, Yes, he does. It's Jonathan Strickland. Uh, guys. 550 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: I was arrested in the mid nineties for selling an 551 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: ounce of meth to an undercover narc in Nevada. I 552 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: was set up by a friend who had gotten arrested 553 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: on a similar charge. Decided that he would snitch rollover 554 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and uh some uh some people so they would get probation. Unfortunately, 555 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: under Nevada zero tolerance policy, I had no priors. I 556 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: was twenty two and I was looking at twenty five 557 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: to life for my first defense. Did he include uh 558 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: in there? Or was that you? That was me? To 559 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: make a long story short, I jumped bail rand Oregon 560 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: and lived on the lamb for three years. This is 561 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: the real deal. It sounds like hippie Rob. It is 562 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: not hippie Rob. He got tired of living life on 563 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: the lamb, obviously, hired a lawyer, turning self in like 564 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: a good guy, and managed to get the charges dropped 565 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: to level two trafficking, enter to plea deal. And the long, 566 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: long story short, he was in for I think three years. Uh, 567 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: And I just have a couple of prison ted bits 568 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: on this end, and then we'll do the next part 569 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: in the next podcast. He was not in a new 570 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: prison that had the cards to keep track of commissary accounts. 571 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: They were given paper slips sort of like at a 572 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: sushi restaurant, and we would turn them in once or 573 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: twice a week. We would pick up our order in 574 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: the next day or so. Items available were personal hygiene 575 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: items tooth basted, deodorant, shampoo. If you could not buy 576 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: your own, you could get the state issued stuff. But 577 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: that stuff was absolute garbage and I should mention too. 578 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: We got another email from someone that said that Bob 579 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: Barker's company, just looking it up makes prison. So yeah, 580 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: is that true. I'm looking it up as hopefully at 581 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: the end of this you'll know, because that would be 582 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: really weird. Get your pet spade and neutered, and I 583 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: will make your prison soup for you. UH. Cigarettes were available, 584 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: both packs of cigarettes like Cammel and Marlborough, as well 585 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: as loose tobacco and rolling papers. Packs of cigarettes were 586 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: called tailor's short for tailor made. They're expensive and out 587 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: of reach for most inmates. UH. Financially, having Tailor's was 588 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: a status symbol, and their rarity made them great bargaining chips. Interestingly, 589 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: most gray market trading he reserves the term black market 590 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: for contraband, where items purchased out of the commissary. Things 591 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: you could get with purchased commissary items for trade were 592 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: limited only by the creativity of the inmates. For example, 593 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: a pack of cigarettes a week. You could pay somebody 594 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: to iron your clothing for you, so you would always 595 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: look as nice as possible for visits. If you wanted 596 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: to write somebody a letter, you could pay one of 597 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: several talented artists to custom decorate your envelope with roses 598 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: or balloons or whatever else you could imagine. Basically, it 599 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: was like on demand customary stationary, and it was actually 600 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: a high service demand in prison. So that is the 601 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: end of part one. Josh, we're gonna leave hanging for 602 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: part two. So Chuck, do you want the answer about 603 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: Bob bark greatly. There is a guy named Bob Barker 604 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: who makes prison toiletries, but he's not Bob Barker of 605 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: Crisis right according to Snopes at least. Okay, So thank 606 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: you very much Chuck for part one. I myself, I'm 607 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: very excited about part two, and I'm glad I don't 608 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: have to wait until next Thursday to hear it. I 609 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: get to hear it in about thirty forty minutes. If 610 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: you want to send us an email about Bob Barker, 611 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: your favorite college football team, or your mom's home cooking. 612 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: We want to hear about it. Send it to Stuff 613 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: Podcast at how stuff works dot com. 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