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Speaker 1: USA listener. Today, we're gonna dig into our archives to

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Speaker 1: bring you an episode about intuition. We're gonna look at

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Speaker 1: exactly what intuition is while we ask is it real?

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Speaker 1: Do we all have it? Okay, I know you're going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy this episode. Sitting in the studio with writer, producer,

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Speaker 1: and storyteller Cindy Rodriguez. Hey Cindy. Hello, So Cindy. All

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Speaker 1: I know is that, let you know, USA has been

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Speaker 1: working on a story around intuition. It's been up on

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Speaker 1: our whiteboard and I know that you're here to talk

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Speaker 1: about it with me. And that's it, Isla.

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Speaker 2: That's all you need to know. I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: you right through it. Okay. So it pretty much starts

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Speaker 2: with I think my inkling, my obsession with intuition ever

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Speaker 2: since I was a teenager. I didn't really believe in

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Speaker 2: intuition until high school. There was a weekend I really

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Speaker 2: wanted to go down the shore with friends. Four or

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Speaker 2: five of us were going to the beach, but my

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Speaker 2: mom's super strict, super pertuana wants to know everywhere, like

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Speaker 2: where I'm going with friends, and she the minute I

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Speaker 2: asked her, she was like, no.

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Speaker 3: I feel something, very very strange.

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Speaker 2: She was just like no, no, mcaybien, You're not going.

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Speaker 1: Which means I have thisnition.

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Speaker 3: And I told my daughter, please don't go, No, not

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Speaker 3: this time, because I feel sting.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it. So I called my friends. I

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Speaker 2: was like, just tell tell our friend to take my spot.

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Speaker 2: And then I asked her thereafter. I'm like, what was

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Speaker 2: it about this particular trip that you were just so

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Speaker 2: head on saying like.

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Speaker 3: No, doube accidente memante abe and an accidente.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, I just saw like an accident. I

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Speaker 2: just don't have a good feeling. And that was very specific,

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Speaker 2: and I let it go. Three days passed by, my

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Speaker 2: friends called me and they're like, something happened. Our friend

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Speaker 2: fell asleep at the wheel. Oh my god, the car

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Speaker 2: turned over. And the person that replaced you passed away,

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Speaker 2: and I was like shocked. Even when I say it now,

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Speaker 2: it kind of gets me emotionally.

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Speaker 1: It sounds completely unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: That was a moment when my mom called that accident

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Speaker 2: specifically and what happened. That was the moment where I

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Speaker 2: I started looking at it like this is a superpower

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Speaker 2: how does she tap into it? Right? Like asking all

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Speaker 4: Quondo pil primerro riki to savilla luisiono.

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Speaker 3: Lyntusion I started, Okay, okay, simple type of of this

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Speaker 3: nonly a set moscasso.

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Speaker 1: So your mom says that we all have the gift

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Speaker 1: of intuition, but not all of us listen to it.

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Speaker 1: From Pluturo media, it's Latino Usa, I'm Maria no posa.

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Speaker 1: Today we get into a six sentido, the sixth sense.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna look at it from both a scientific point

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Speaker 1: of view and also one of cultural understanding. Intuition as

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Speaker 1: a concept has long been a part of many spiritual

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Speaker 1: practices in Latin America, and it plays a critical role

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Speaker 1: one that today is guiding a Latin feminist movement. First

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Speaker 1: journalist Cindy Rodriguez is going to introduce us to some

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Speaker 1: cold hard science about intuition in this story that we

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Speaker 1: first brought to you in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: The way my mom defines intuition is that it's a

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Speaker 2: gentle truth or an inner knowing. But I'm a journalist,

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Speaker 2: so I needed to look into this myself. I started researching,

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Speaker 2: and I realized people have tried to define and measure

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Speaker 2: an experiment to prove that he could rely on his

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Speaker 2: innate instinct rather than society's knowledge, And as recently as

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Speaker 5: So my name is Golan lufianta doctor.

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Speaker 2: Lufitiano is one of those people who takes intuition seriously.

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Speaker 5: And I'm here Frightful Bread Foundations and currently I'm doing

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Speaker 2: Nearly a decade ago, doctor Lufaiano was getting his doctor

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Speaker 5: I was thinking, like, what about investigating about intuitions? But

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Speaker 5: how do you message intuition? But I really really wanted

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Speaker 2: And so he and a team of other researchers designed

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Speaker 2: the study that would test people's ability to sort of

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Speaker 5: So I kind of like set up like behavioral toss

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Speaker 2: This is how it would work. Imagine you're sitting at

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Speaker 2: It would seem impossible to do this since there are

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Speaker 2: no obvious patterns to the dots, but secretly there's a signal.

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Speaker 2: Right before the dots move, a subliminal image flashes on

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Speaker 2: If you're flashed the positive thing, like a flower, they

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Speaker 2: the dots will move. If you can do that, you're

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Speaker 1: So basically what it's doing is it's measuring your capacity

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Speaker 2: What you know, not so much what you know, but

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Speaker 2: what you feel. As doctor Lufayana explains, there are two

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Speaker 5: Where you kind of like wait all of the options

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Speaker 2: And the others intuitive, in which.

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Speaker 5: You use emotional kind of a memory to guide on decision.

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Speaker 2: What doctor Lufayano found is that both kinds of decision

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Speaker 2: it's only the intuitive people who listen to their emotional

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Speaker 1: So your mom was right on the money that everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Lufaiano and his team didn't prove that people

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Speaker 2: can see full visions into the future a lah, that's

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Speaker 2: so raven style, but they were able to prove that

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Speaker 2: people can use their gut instinct to make predictions. After

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Speaker 2: hearing about this research, we wanted to test our own intuition,

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Speaker 2: but it's a whole expensive computer setup. So doctor Lufaiano

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Speaker 2: sends us a questionnaire that he says works just as

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Speaker 2: well to measure how intuitive you are. So for fun,

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Speaker 2: USA's conference room. Yeah, I've been on reporting on intuition

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Speaker 2: for a year and you are all here, So we

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Speaker 2: can test your intuition, how good it is, how you think,

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Speaker 2: how you make decisions. Before subjects took the questionnaire, everyone

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Speaker 2: went around and said a little bit about themselves and

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Speaker 2: how intuitive they felt. First up, someone who does believe

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Speaker 6: I'm Amanda Alcantra, the digital media editor here at Latino USA.

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Speaker 6: I'm Dominican and Dominican culture. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of Afro syncritic religions and beliefs, and I have been

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Speaker 6: doing a lot of family research now, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I found out I have a great grandmother who was

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Speaker 6: a witch. She had a whole alter devoted to like,

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Speaker 6: you know, different sort of spirits. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 6: a very intuitive person, but I have a hard time

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Speaker 6: listening to my intuition because my rational brain is.

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Speaker 2: Like no, So yeah, Then we have somebody who has

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Speaker 7: My name is Tommy McNamara.

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Speaker 2: Tommy is a stand up comedian that lives in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 7: We didn't talk about any feelings. I would say, as

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Speaker 7: an Irish Catholic Midwestern family, I think I used to

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Speaker 2: He fell for Craigslist scam.

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Speaker 7: And now I don't trust my intuition.

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Speaker 9: I'm Alisa Scarce. I am a associate producer here at

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Speaker 2: Alisa grew up in Los Angeles and she's on the

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Speaker 9: So on my dad's side of the family, the Cuban side,

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Speaker 9: my great grandma was still alive and I remember looking

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Speaker 9: in their closet one time and seeing this board, which

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Speaker 9: is like a Ouiji board. So they would make a

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Speaker 9: lot of their decisions with the Ouiji board. It was

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Speaker 9: thinking it was very cool. Feel I have a lot

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Speaker 10: My name is Zach Swan.

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Speaker 2: Zach is yet another stand up comedian.

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Speaker 10: I'm very white. My family background is I'm very white

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Speaker 2: He wasn't raised to think about his gut instincts.

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Speaker 10: My family, we didn't intuition wasn't really like a subject

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Speaker 10: that was mentioned. I would fall in a similar campus Tommy.

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Speaker 10: I think I feel like I'm certainly not intentional about intuition.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to you, Maria.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm definitely an intuitive and a lot of

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Speaker 1: what I kind of stand for, kind of even in

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Speaker 1: my life and my work is to say own it,

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Speaker 1: trust it, believe it. You know the way you're seeing

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Speaker 1: it is right, because I feel like, oftentimes as a woman,

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Speaker 1: and certainly as as a woman who wasn't born in

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Speaker 1: this country, it was like, you're an impostor, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be here, that's the wrong thought. You're going to mess up,

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Speaker 1: and that what actually helps us is when we get grounded.

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Speaker 1: I trust it. I absolutely trust it.

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Speaker 2: And then the questionnaire began. First question, I would rather

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Speaker 2: do something that requires little thought than something that is

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Speaker 2: sure to challenge my thinking abilities. The questionnaire was only

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Speaker 2: ten questions long. Each question was about how you handle

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Speaker 2: decision making and problem solving. I don't like to have

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Speaker 2: had to anticipate and avoid situations. Number five, I trust

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Speaker 2: my initial feelings about people.

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Speaker 1: Pencils down.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a teacher I'm like, give me your homework, please,

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Speaker 5: Rational at ten.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the highest intuitive score we've heard so far? Well,

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Speaker 5: Well, at least one of my studies. They actually we

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Speaker 1: So basically, if you think you're an intuitive person, you

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Speaker 2: And you can hear people's answers about their background, how

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Speaker 4: Tu cure queto renduisiones, kumo masso so and lo latinos and.

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Speaker 1: Basically, your mom is saying that Latinos and Latinas grow

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, how Blu has modern day

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Speaker 1: We're back, And on today's show, producer Cindy Rodriguez has

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Speaker 2: In my quest to learn about the role of intuition

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Speaker 1: The epicenter of the millennial decolonized wellness movement. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that there was a decolonized wellness movement,

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Speaker 2: We're hearing the drums of Battala and all women Afro

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't I there?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you would have loved it.

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Speaker 2: I know we should have invited you. Mira Iodo, You're coming.

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Speaker 2: It's magic. There's astro readers, tarot readers, music like indigenous

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Speaker 2: these people on stagers, Afro Columbianos, Afro Brazilians and it's

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Speaker 11: I'm Chikita Ruhita. This is Brooklyn Bruheti at the festival.

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Speaker 11: This is a gathering of magic, music, drums and community.

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Speaker 2: Chikita Bruhita one hundred percent believes in intuition.

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Speaker 11: So there's intuition of trusting your intuition, but then there's

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Speaker 11: it's the deepest trust of intuition. So I grew up,

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Speaker 2: Ruhita learned to believe in intuition because of her family

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Speaker 11: So, my grandmother was crowned a priestess of Yamaya more

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Speaker 1: Right and Yeamaya is mother goddess represented by the ocean.

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Speaker 2: And Santidia is a religion that is the combination of

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Speaker 2: Chelsea said that her mother was a priestess of osh

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Speaker 11: I identify as a third generation practicing Bruha in the

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Speaker 2: Rugita says that well, she can trace her intuitive sense

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Speaker 11: I love that Bruja has become and I'm seeing it

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Speaker 1: You know, it kind of feels like Brujas are having

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Speaker 2: Now, definitely, and maybe the best place to witness the

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Speaker 2: Bluha boom is on social media, thanks where LATX influencers

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Speaker 9: Not only do they clanse the air of toxins blots,

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Speaker 2: Working on your relationship.

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Speaker 12: I'm Valeria Ruelas the Mexican which welcome to pick a card,

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Speaker 2: But blu Haas don't just talk about self optimization. The

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Speaker 12: I love knowing that we're going to prevail against all

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Speaker 1: That's really well, that's taking brujas and bruhiiad to a

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Speaker 2: and activist Ganny Slady uploaded a video of themself and

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Speaker 8: We see spirituality as really an integration.

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Speaker 8: And our intuition is grounded in our feelings, our emotions,

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Speaker 8: Our indigenous cultures carry so much scientific, spiritual, medicinal knowledge

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Speaker 8: The Catholic Church resisted the devotion to her. They were

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Speaker 8: It's just really difficult times that need not just political responses,

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Speaker 2: For many, la Vitin is seen as both a religious

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Speaker 8: Today. She represents you know, brown women. She represents around

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Speaker 2: These days, a lot of young LATINX feministy Labitin is

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Speaker 1: We will be right back. Yes, hey, we're back. We're

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Speaker 2: My mom got here at the age of thirty with

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Speaker 2: my older sister. I think when she got here, as

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Speaker 2: she has told me before, she relied on her intuition

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Speaker 2: to make all the decisions because a year into moving here,

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Speaker 2: she didn't have a husband anymore, she's divorced, she's alone,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't know the language. So she tells me that

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Speaker 2: I use my intuition out of survival.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting to hear you say that,

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Speaker 1: because we learned earlier that scientifically intuitive decisions are based

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Speaker 1: on emotion rather than information. And it really sounds like

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Speaker 1: all your mom had to go off of was her gut.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that could be the experience for

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Speaker 2: a lot of immigrants who move somewhere and don't speak

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Speaker 2: the language or know the customs. Something that surprised me

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Speaker 2: is that my mom says it's been harder to listen

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Speaker 2: to her intuition the longer that she's been here in

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Speaker 2: the States.

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Speaker 3: In Latin America is mat passiva lao no tennessee correcre

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Speaker 3: this and hab.

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Speaker 2: She says that life in Latin America is lower paced,

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Speaker 2: that it's easier to listen to your feelings there than

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Speaker 2: it is here in the US.

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Speaker 1: So your mom says this thing, the corricor is So

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Speaker 1: what's the corricory.

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Speaker 2: Corricory is the hustle and bustle of just like running

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Speaker 2: around to get it done, whatever it is that you're

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Speaker 2: trying to get done.

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Speaker 1: It's like super American, super American, just moving ahead, moving ahead,

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Speaker 1: because that's what you do.

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Speaker 2: That's what you do. You get to the us. You hustle,

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Speaker 2: you launch things, you become an entrepreneur, you become successful,

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Speaker 2: all of these things that are supposed to define your happiness.

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Speaker 2: And she said, no, corricorre. I asked her, what is

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Speaker 2: something that she would want me to just never forget?

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Speaker 3: Apisa down, Practica down, down, free okum on Latina in

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Speaker 3: to me if Amilia cabin this.

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Speaker 2: She says that although this country can be so practical,

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Speaker 2: so cold, that she hopes that because I am a

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Speaker 2: Latina and because she raised me, that I will always

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Speaker 2: know how to protect my spirit. But it's something I

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Speaker 2: honestly hesitated to do for a long time. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: take my parents seriously when they tried to impart their

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Speaker 2: spiritual wisdom. But then I hit rock bottom?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean you hit rock bottom? What happened?

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Speaker 2: About five years ago? I was laid off for my

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Speaker 2: job at CNN, which meant that I had lost my

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Speaker 2: health insurance, which I really needed. At the time, I

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Speaker 2: had just been told I needed to get surgery for

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Speaker 2: a potentially cancerous lymph node, And to make matters worse,

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Speaker 2: I was in the middle of leaving a long term

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Speaker 2: relationship of ten years. I was thirty one years old

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Speaker 2: at the time, and it felt like I had lost

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Speaker 2: everything and I didn't know how to begin again. So

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Speaker 2: I moved in with my mom. Her first thing on

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Speaker 2: my to do list to get better was when olympiasa.

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Speaker 2: You know, you leave a breakup, you lose a job,

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Speaker 2: you start to think, okay, maybe the world is against

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Speaker 2: me here. So she prescribes me this baynyo.

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Speaker 1: She prepared umbagno, which means she prepared a bath for you,

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Speaker 1: a particular kind of bath that means flowers, usually some

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Speaker 1: kind of particular sand, oftentimes candles.

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Speaker 2: And just like, tears are rolling down my face and

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Speaker 2: you don't rinse the bath off where you have to

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Speaker 2: air dry. So I am forced to just stand there

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Speaker 2: naked and think emotionally about everything I've ever wanted in

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Speaker 2: my life and at the same time everything that I've

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Speaker 2: lost up until then. And so it it was a

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Speaker 2: transition in my life, like I remember this day very clearly,

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Speaker 2: thinking like something changed, something shifted. I go for a

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Speaker 2: hike every time there's a full moon, burn some palos.

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Speaker 2: It's the first thing I do. I like to set

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Speaker 2: the vibe. Palo Santo is a wild tree native to

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Speaker 2: the Yukotan and it's found in many Latin American countries,

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Speaker 2: including Peru, where my family's from. And what you'll hear

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Speaker 2: there is my lighter. And what I do is I

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Speaker 2: light my palo. I'll ask my ancestors to watch over me,

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Speaker 2: to bring me guidance, and to send me any messages

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Speaker 2: that they think I need to know right now. And

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Speaker 2: so as I write down what I'm gonna let go of,

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Speaker 2: which I already did, I say I'm ready to go

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Speaker 2: of X and replace it with X. It's a little personal,

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Speaker 2: so I won't exactly share what it is. Now. I

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Speaker 2: will light the paper. The paper's very small. What I'm burning,

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Speaker 2: it's all gone now, it's turned to ashes, honoring my

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Speaker 2: inner knowing. It's a way of connecting to my ancestors

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Speaker 2: and their traditions, voices that have been silenced through a

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Speaker 2: history of colonization. And it's all led to reclaiming a

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Speaker 2: part of myself that has always been there. But I

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Speaker 2: just wasn't listening.

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Speaker 1: Snidro Didez, thank you so much for opening up and

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Speaker 1: for taking us on this journey with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me.

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