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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, look at Tennessee's offense. Are any of every

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Speaker 3: It's TJ Huschmazada. I'm LeVar Arrington. Plexico is out for

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Speaker 3: Now, what happens? If a school doesn't want.

437
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Speaker 1: To do it, then decisions have to be made for

438
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Speaker 1: the coach.

439
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Speaker 3: Then, well the code for the player, I mean the coach,

440
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Speaker 3: the coach. You know, coach can have their agent working

441
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Speaker 3: on their behalf. I mean, now, is this a situation

442
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Speaker 3: where we can't agents working on their behalf? Okay, that's

443
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Speaker 3: so so Now the agent is basically shopping the kid

444
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Speaker 3: around to other schools. I just feel like, while I understand.

445
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Speaker 1: You're old school, what it is because I got.

446
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: I got a kid in college right now.

447
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Speaker 1: Right I got in college. As soon as man man

448
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Speaker 1: start balling, they better pay them. And if they don't

449
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: pay him, he better go somewhere else. See there's more

450
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Speaker 1: to it. I think no, because you think their NFL

451
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: is not guaranteed. Everybody agree with every campus across America,

452
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Speaker 1: every campus, every athlete in football and basketball and baseball,

453
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Speaker 1: every team. We all think we're making it. There's not

454
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Speaker 1: enough here. Here's what you got to get, what you

455
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Speaker 1: can get while you can get it.

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Speaker 3: Here's where I pushed back on it. I pushed back

457
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Speaker 3: on it by saying, I never looked at myself as

458
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Speaker 3: a football player. I looked at myself as LeVar Arrington.

459
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: I could play sports, and out of the sports that

460
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Speaker 3: I was good at, I was best at football. I

461
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 3: love basketball, ran track, really love running track. But I

462
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: knew that I had a ceiling with both basketball and track.

463
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Speaker 3: If I were going to have a chance to be

464
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Speaker 3: able to do something with it, I was going to

465
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Speaker 3: go with football. All I'm saying is is that for me,

466
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Speaker 3: I look at the NIL opportunity as a chance to

467
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Speaker 3: one further my education, to get myself an opportunity to

468
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Speaker 3: possibly play pro.

469
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Speaker 1: Out of college.

470
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Speaker 3: Doing it and now with the nil This is why

471
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Speaker 3: I tell my kids, with the companies and the advertisers

472
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Speaker 3: that are coming that are already pass that are connected

473
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Speaker 3: to the universities, the ones that are going to come

474
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Speaker 3: into the universities, you now have the opportunity to build

475
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Speaker 3: relationships with these these companies. We didn't always have that.

476
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 3: We did not have that when we were in school.

477
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: You're not really able to have the conversations with a

478
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Speaker 3: major company that puts a ton of money into the

479
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Speaker 3: school and the university and what it is that they're

480
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Speaker 3: doing to me. I really think that it's about leveraging

481
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Speaker 3: the relationships, leveraging the exposure that you're able to get

482
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Speaker 3: once you go there. It also ultimately comes down to

483
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Speaker 3: what is your main motive for going to school. If

484
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Speaker 3: your main motive is to go to school, try to

485
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Speaker 3: get as much money out of it as you possibly

486
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Speaker 3: can and try to go pro then I would say, yeah,

487
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Speaker 3: try to get as much money out of it as

488
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Speaker 3: you can, and if it works out, it works out.

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Speaker 1: That's the majority, that's the majority of student athletes that's

490
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Speaker 1: to go. I don't think that's the right I don't

491
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Speaker 1: think just the right approach what's what's the right approach is.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, I have more opportunities now at forty

493
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Speaker 3: six years old. I'll be forty seven this year. I

494
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: have more opportunities now within the community that I organically

495
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: built at Penn State than I did.

496
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Speaker 1: Even as are LeVar, LeVar, you are one of the

497
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Speaker 1: greatest college football players to ever played. Of course you're

498
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Speaker 1: going to have those opportunities.

499
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Speaker 3: But see that you're making it an exception. To me,

500
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Speaker 3: I don't look at it as an exception. I look

501
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: at it as that should become the standard building those relationships.

502
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Speaker 1: Give me we have the same Give me that was

503
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Speaker 1: on your team. Give me a player that was on

504
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Speaker 1: your team that has the same opportunities that you have

505
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: now that wasn't as good of a player.

506
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's there's a lot of guys that are

507
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: working there. Bro There's a lot of about that.

508
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Speaker 1: The opportunity. I mean, you have the LeVar because you

509
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: were a good player. You have these opportunities you have

510
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Speaker 1: to be But what did you say the draft should

511
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: have been the first pick of the draft. You're one

512
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Speaker 1: of the.

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Speaker 3: All are high to tow to look at one of

514
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Speaker 3: the opportunity.

515
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: College football players ever, not of do you want of

516
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Speaker 1: the top minimum twenty five fifty players to ever play

517
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Speaker 1: college football?

518
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Speaker 3: All right, I appreciate it.

519
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: Of course you're going to have these opportunities if I had.

520
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: The educational component of understanding what the community truly, I

521
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: organically understood what the community meant to me organically.

522
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Speaker 1: In others our day and age, we were ancient. We

523
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: didn't we weren't woke. We didn't understand how much money

524
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: we should have been making. Ed O'Bannon tried to tell

525
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: us back in the day and for years. I'm just

526
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: so happy for the players. A way off subject clear

527
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: skyes baby through the cloud, coming around. They are coming around.

528
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Speaker 1: All I know.

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Speaker 3: Listen at Oban. I get that I didn't sign it.

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Speaker 3: And you may not remember this, but I didn't sign

531
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: the group license in agreement when I went into the league.

532
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Speaker 1: And a lot of people, a lot of people are like.

533
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like there have been a

534
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: lot of times that people tried to question my my

535
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: i Q like yeah, I'll be like this guy is

536
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: like who is he? Like, like you said your your coach,

537
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: I want to make a mistay you go like and

538
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: go get like, hey, look let's let's let's put it

539
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: on the line here. Like, I'm a pretty intelligent dude,

540
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: and I learned from a school teacher, So I learned

541
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: from foundational components of what education represented. I went to

542
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: church every Sunday. My dad was an ordained minister, So

543
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: I understood the Bible, understood how to to to speak

544
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: it because I went to Sunday school.

545
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Speaker 1: Then I went to prayer services.

546
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: I was always in church man, and so I learned

547
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of very very valuable lessons

548
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: that played a part in why I understood community. I

549
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: understood helping old women up the steps or holding a

550
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: door for them, and being a gentleman like like just

551
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: foundation components of what it takes to to build your reputation.

552
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: I would ultimately say, TJ, I played well as a

553
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: football player, But you want to know what was more

554
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: valuable than me making them play in the game on

555
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: Saturday was me staying until every last person that was

556
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: there to meet me met LeVar. See, those are the things,

557
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: but they don't talk. But they don't talk about stuff.

558
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: In the majority of players var are like that, they're not.

559
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that they don't know I was players

560
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: are not friendly to fans. They don't stick around, They

561
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: sign a couple out of grabs, they move on and

562
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Speaker 3: And one of the reasons why I was like the.

563
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Speaker 1: Way I was was because I saw that. I saw that,

564
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Speaker 1: like I saw the.

565
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: Kid that was the one hundredth and one kid that

566
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: was waiting, and they didn't see the kid this, didn't

567
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: see the player that they wanted. So even as a freshman,

568
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: before people even really knew what I was going to

569
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: be as a player, I stayed. I always stayed, and

570
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: I start having conversations with these people. There are people

571
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: now all these years later. I've be't played there since

572
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, and there are still people that come

573
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: up to me today that have the conversation with me

574
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: about the experience that they had because I took the

575
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: time to meet them, not the play, not a play,

576
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: but the moment that I signed an autograph and actually

577
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: had a conversation with them as if they were a person.

578
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: They're a person, like, oh, like, we're we're in this together.

579
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: It's not oh, you come chair, I go home.

580
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Speaker 1: You do what you do. I see you next week.

581
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: Now you're a person.

582
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Speaker 3: I just think that opens up the conversation to a

583
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: lot more educational pieces to all of this. Not saying

584
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: making money isn't the right thing and all those things

585
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: that you're saying, I'm not disagreeing with that. All I'm

586
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: saying is is maybe we look at this from the

587
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: perspective of you can have it all. Be that person

588
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: that is is endearing to their community, be that person

589
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: that makes money off of being that person. People support it.

590
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: It's not just a person that makes plays. I know

591
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: a few dudes that made plays. They were a holes

592
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: and nobody really liked them, you know what I mean.

593
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: But there's guys that get it. They understand it, and

594
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: they leverage it the right way. And I think it

595
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: comes through understanding what your value is and what that entails.

596
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what Nico's situation is. I'm not passing

597
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: judgment on it, and I'm not saying that he's right

598
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: or wrong. I don't know what Hypel's perspective is on it.

599
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's right or wrong either. I'm just

600
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: saying that this has now exposed a gap. This is

601
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: now exposed a gap that exists in college football because

602
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: now the first major chip has fallen down or I'll say,

603
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: in terms of domino effect, you just sat there and said,

604
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: we're moving on from one of the top football players

605
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: in the country, let alone on your team, and it's

606
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: because of nil. That's I mean, it's because of money.

607
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: That's that's a very interesting deal. We're gonna have to

608
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 3: table this because we're at the end of the segment.

609
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: I know this is a conversation you and I can

610
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: have for the entire show, but when we get back,

611
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: we're going to have a quick one on Caleb Williams

612
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: the locker room. He had some interesting things to say

613
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: about Uberflus. But first, before we take a break, let's

614
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Speaker 3: get a trending from our guy, Isaac Glowing Kron. What

615
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: you got my guy?

616
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Speaker 4: Hey, LeVar, and you don't really have to table it

617
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: too much, because that is our top trending story from

618
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Speaker 4: college football. Multiple outlets supporting Tennessee moving on from starting

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Speaker 4: quarterback Nico Iamlayava after you're reportedly held out from practice

620
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Speaker 4: on Friday as part of an nil contract dispute. Yahoo

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Speaker 4: Sports supporting il Malayava has submitted paperwork to enter the

622
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Speaker 4: transfer portal. Now, guys, today just happens to be Tennessee's

623
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Speaker 4: spring football game and Nashville Tennessee and columnist Gentry Estus

624
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: tweeted from Neiland Stadium a short time ago, quote, Nico

625
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: Iamlayava's jersey is no longer available in the gift shop

626
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Speaker 4: and his name has already been removed from Tennessee's roster. Unquote.

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Speaker 1: So they move fast, show you how fast they will move,

628
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: or doesn't it?

629
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Speaker 3: Dam But that becomes probably a financial liability as well,

630
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Speaker 3: though a brand liability.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean.

632
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Speaker 4: I would assume right, I would think they could at

633
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: least sell the jersey as at a discount, perhaps eighty

634
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: cents off the dollars and money so important everybody and

635
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 4: apparently not everyone has found out about this yet. College

636
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: foot college football reporter named Trey Wallace was also outside

637
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: of Niland Stadium a short time ago and asked a

638
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 4: random fan what he was looking forward to seeing at

639
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 4: the Tennessee spring game, and the fan responded, quote, I

640
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: want to see how Nico looks with this receiving corps.

641
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: So even in the days with social media, there are

642
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: some people out there who do not know about this,

643
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: and they're in for an unwelcome surprise. When they enter

644
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: the stadium elsewhere. After two rounds of the Masters, Justin

645
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 4: Rose has a one shot lead at eight under par overall,

646
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 4: one shot ahead of Bryson to Shamba. They'll see off

647
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: at two forty eastern time this afternoon. Rory McElroy and

648
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 4: Corey conn there's two shots back at six under. The

649
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: LT off round three at two point thirty eastern on

650
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: the course right now, John Rahm is three under through nine.

651
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Speaker 4: He is at one under part overall, seven shots off

652
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Speaker 4: the league.

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Speaker 3: Guys back to you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I we're all take a quick break. Like I said, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk quickly about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: Something he had to say about the locker room and

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Speaker 3: frustration and eber flues.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. This is up on Game. That is TJ.

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Speaker 3: Hushman's out. I'm LeVar Arrington and this is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. All right, welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 1: It's up on game.

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Speaker 3: We're lying from the tyrack dot Com studios comes to

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Speaker 3: legend will be coming on shortly.

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Speaker 1: Top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: So if you're excited about hearing his hot takes, he

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Speaker 3: always has some good ones.

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Speaker 1: I know. TJ just brought up the whole Lakers deal.

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Speaker 3: So we'll get into all of that, but first let's

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Speaker 3: finish this hour out with some Caleb Williams talk bo

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Speaker 3: What did he have to say about the locker room?

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Speaker 3: And tjik Wait to hear what your response is? What'd

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Speaker 3: you got both?

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Speaker 5: So, speaking of the Chicago Sun Times, Caleb Williams said

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Speaker 5: that how Matt Eberflus handled it at the time for

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Speaker 5: that game was I think one of the things that

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Speaker 5: throughout the locker room people talked about and were annoyed

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Speaker 5: by talking about, of course, the famous Hail Mary loss

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Speaker 5: to the Commanders last season. He went on to say

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Speaker 5: that those losses were important for him and his growth

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Speaker 5: to go on to Luting Street, be in that position,

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Speaker 5: be at the helm of it. Definitely important for me

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Speaker 5: just being able to see how I need to be

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Speaker 5: when times are bad. I'm going to work my tail

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Speaker 5: off to never be in that situation again.

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Speaker 1: What's your takeaway?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like eber Flus got rolled under, rolled under

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Speaker 3: the proverbial bus.

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Speaker 1: What's your take here? We all knew once that happened

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Speaker 1: against the Commanders, their season went downhill. But to me,

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Speaker 1: when you lose a game. How they lost it with

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Speaker 1: the hail Mary. You can't put that on the coach.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm tripping. That's all players. The dudes completed a

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Speaker 1: Hail Mary, bro, they completed a hell marry to win

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Speaker 1: a game.

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Speaker 3: The dude I got beat was heckling the fans, if

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Speaker 3: we recall correctly, right to me, that's that's on the players.

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Speaker 1: But the season, they didn't have a great season. And

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing about sports is at some point it ends.

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Speaker 1: But the great thing is we got another day, we

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Speaker 1: got another practice, we have another game. And so for

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, it's an opportunity to show that he is

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Speaker 1: what everybody thought he was going to be because with

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson being hired, Ben Johnson pretty much resurrected and

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Speaker 1: saved Jared Goff's career. If it doesn't go well, they

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Speaker 1: not blaming Ben Johnson. It's gonna be on Caleb. And

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Speaker 1: so for Caleb, you get a new start. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's refreshing, but we all knew what he said at

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Speaker 1: the locker room kind of lost confidence. He refutes, when

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Speaker 1: you start losing the games the Bears were losing, who

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Speaker 1: can you blame? You ain't get rid all the players,

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Speaker 1: so you get rid of the man that's easiest to

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Speaker 1: get rid of, and that's Ebra Flues to the head coach.

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Speaker 3: Don't you feel like people are looking at this Bears

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Speaker 3: situation from the wrong perspective? Like it sounds as though

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Speaker 3: Caleb is super motivated and inspired to have a really

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Speaker 3: good year. But can we say bounce back year for him?

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Speaker 3: Should we say bounce back anything for the Bears at

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Speaker 3: this point? Last time they had a double digit win

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Speaker 3: season tjan two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: Now what, Levy Smith? It was a buddy that's with

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs twenty eighteen. Mitchell Trubisky bro led him to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. What's what's his? Naggy Matt Naggy Naggy two?

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Speaker 3: Twenty twelve was the last time they had a double

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Speaker 3: digit win season before twenty eighteen. So twenty fifteen, excuse me,

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve and twenty eighteen are the only two years.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, it doesn't get easier. That division is tough, tough.

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Speaker 3: Green Bay looks good.

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Speaker 1: Minnesota, I'm not sure, but but Minnesota has this is

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Speaker 1: this is what's gonna uh, this is gonna make you

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Speaker 1: a break when you when you in this type of division.

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Speaker 1: Many said Caleb was a generational quarterback once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: And so you have a coordinator that is really good,

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Speaker 1: that's shown he knows what he's doing, and so the

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Speaker 1: opportunity is there. You just got to go seez it. Now.

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Speaker 1: All I'm gonna say is this, TJ.

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Speaker 3: There have been plenty of generational talents that live in

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Speaker 3: the wasteline wasteland of bust Bust them Ville like. And

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Speaker 3: it ain't because they couldn't play no ball. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: that they wasn't generational. They just went to a bad

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Speaker 3: situation and they wasn't going to get out of that situation.

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Speaker 3: And that's what they gotta live with. But we'll see

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Speaker 3: what happens. I mean, they say Ben Johnson is the man.

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Speaker 3: I guess we're gonna find out if he is. Do

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Speaker 3: we make that judgment in year one?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's the man. He's shown

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Speaker 1: us already the creativity in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. He has

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Speaker 3: done a great job being an assistant to Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 3: Can he bring that to the table as a head

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Speaker 3: coach with all that ingenuity that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Will that happen?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, TJ.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If it happens in that division against his old team,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. But we got cuffs to legend coming

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Speaker 3: on in the next hour. This is up on game

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