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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sade Charma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you had a good article on Moyses by Asteros.

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Speaker 2: The other day.

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Speaker 1: Uh was that today? Whatever, it doesn't matter, nobody knows

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Speaker 1: what data is anymore.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I've written about him twice, I think in the last

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Speaker 3: week or so, so that's my Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Uh, they were both great articles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's your guy now.

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Speaker 1: Uh. I think a council had had a funny little

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Speaker 1: bit about him, basically saying, Telly, he told his hitting

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Speaker 1: coaches not to mess with him. Get kind of walk

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Speaker 1: us through the the you know, the the back and

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Speaker 1: forth there and and kind of like what these what

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Speaker 1: these guys see with Moyses by stairs?

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Speaker 2: Who who we know?

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Speaker 1: Since he's been a like been on the prospect radar,

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Speaker 1: like pure hitter questions on defense, but not many questions

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Speaker 1: on offense.

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Speaker 2: So, but like, what are you hearing about him?

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Speaker 1: And what is the likelihood that he's just kind of

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Speaker 1: locked in here as as DH to start the season.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of where it came from.

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Speaker 3: Earlier, when I got back to Arizona and took over

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Speaker 3: for you down here, I had some interviews kind of

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Speaker 4: And I was curious, like, is this guy going to.

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Speaker 3: Be the primary DH We hadn't really gotten that confirmation yet,

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Speaker 3: and still Counsel won't go there as of.

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Speaker 4: The other day.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he will finally this weekend, but just the way

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Speaker 3: they talk about him is like this, this dude getting hit.

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Speaker 3: This guy does not stop hitting, and you know, our

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Speaker 3: indications are that he will get some nice runway. It

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Speaker 3: will be harder as someone who at the moment doesn't

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Speaker 3: really have a defensive position. And it's telling that the Cubs.

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Speaker 4: Have not closed the door on him, you know, being

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Speaker 3: But he's not going to have that Pete Crow Armstrong

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Speaker 3: sort of runway of.

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Speaker 4: Hey, just just go play gold, go.

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Speaker 3: The defense in center field and you're good. We'll figure

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Speaker 3: out the rest later. But once again confusing days. But

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Speaker 3: the other morning, I believe it was Wednesday, someone asked

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Speaker 3: Counsel just about by a stairs because he hit two

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Speaker 3: home runs in that Saint Patrick's Day night game against

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Speaker 3: the Angels, and he's like, you can see it's in there,

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Speaker 3: the power.

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Speaker 4: He's such a.

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Speaker 3: Naturally gifted hitter, and he's so young that like that's

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Speaker 4: He's going to hit a lot of home runs one day.

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Speaker 4: And he told this, you know.

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Speaker 3: The little little anecdote of gathering the hitting coaches together

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Speaker 3: this spring, and he could tell they were getting a

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Speaker 3: little bit nervous, and he was just like, stay away

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Speaker 4: And I just heard that.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't that one wasn't my question, but I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's like a perfect little snapshot.

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Speaker 4: See what council thinks of him.

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Speaker 3: I think it's sort of an allusion to just all

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Speaker 3: the bells and whistles of the Cubs now have and

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Speaker 4: You see this, you saw at.

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Speaker 3: First, this enormous facility now dropped into the sorry, this

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Speaker 3: enormous building just dropped into the middle of the Cubs

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Speaker 3: complex with their hitting and pitching labs. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think with most players hitting or pitching, there's this

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Speaker 3: tendency to want to like, you know, draw more out

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Speaker 3: That's why he got a one point two million dollar

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Speaker 3: thought it was interesting the council really complemented his instinctual

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Speaker 3: he thinks catching has helped him in a lot of

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Speaker 3: different ways. Someone who ran like a six point eight

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Speaker 3: give him, give him the bat, give him att bats,

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Speaker 3: and let him hit because that's what he's done, rather

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I mean, you talk about the home runs,

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Speaker 1: you talk about that that's something that he's not really

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Speaker 1: plus rockets that he's hitting, and they're like, I didn't

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Speaker 1: field when he really starts coming into his power is

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Speaker 1: like and rarely understands what he can do. He's going

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Speaker 1: when he can do that. But he's not like this

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Speaker 1: pure pull hitter power guy, Like he will hit line

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Speaker 1: drives all over the field. And I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what Council is probably getting it, Like, don't force

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Speaker 1: these things with this guy, like the power will come.

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Speaker 2: See what he.

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Speaker 1: Did the other night, whatever that was Tuesday night. He

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Speaker 1: can do it. He can hit home runs. But this

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Speaker 1: is going to be this is the old debate that

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Speaker 1: Council was having earlier this spring to guys try and

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Speaker 1: hit home runs. Certainly don't want that with someone like Biasteros.

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Speaker 1: Just let him hit and and like this is like

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Speaker 1: the old school developmental path that you talk about.

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Speaker 2: Power.

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Speaker 1: Power comes later in the in a uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: players development, and it's kind of like the last thing

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Speaker 1: to come together. He'll learn how to do that. He's

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Speaker 1: he seems like he's a pretty smart hitter when it

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Speaker 1: Has a good chance to have like a really good

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Speaker 1: season for for the Cups. I think you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about offensively because that's where his value lays lies.

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Speaker 1: But I like, he just seems like someone like if

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Speaker 1: like that feels like a very easy bet depth wise,

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Speaker 2: Or keep his spot on the roster behind him.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's starting to it's looking interesting. I guess

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Speaker 1: the work that he's putting in and his athleticism out there,

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Speaker 1: el Contra and keep it like he someone like him

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Speaker 1: feels like he's likely to be sent down things like that.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Long is a name you mentioned before, or he's

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Speaker 1: I guess like that feels pretty obvious that he's being

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Speaker 1: just kind of like we it's all up in the air.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll learn more.

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Speaker 1: But by the time we record again, I think we'll

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Speaker 1: have news on sayup. But right now a lot feels

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Speaker 1: up in the air more than it did whatever a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's gonna be guys who don't make teams,

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Speaker 3: you know, look, we can't we can't assume that Biasteros

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Speaker 3: that can win a World Series this year. Like that's

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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure, especially if he doesn't have defense

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Speaker 3: as kind of an outlet to generate value you and

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Speaker 3: maybe take his mind off of his hitting. But you know,

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Speaker 3: you kind of got to go back to the start

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Speaker 3: with this guy. And you know, during the playoffs last

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Speaker 3: year at Wrigley I spoke with Louis Ohowa, the Cubs

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Speaker 3: going all the way back to like signing Miguel Cabrero

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Speaker 3: much bold to do interviews before these games when we

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Speaker 3: pregame couplous access, and you know, I just told him,

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Speaker 3: I was like, look, you know, just knowing moist Us

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Speaker 4: Of get Louis thoughts on how they signed him.

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Speaker 3: And you kind of his backstory, and Louis and Moises

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Speaker 3: both postseason rosters, which is certainly telling in terms of

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Speaker 3: was you just kept getting all these videos on Moistest

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Speaker 3: and responsors like we don't have any. Just like every

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Speaker 3: time they saw him, he was just like hitting balls

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Speaker 3: And so they staged this workout in Venezuela to kind

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Speaker 3: of get him out of his comfort zone and throw

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Speaker 3: a lot of different pictures at him. You hard stuff,

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Speaker 3: soft tossers, off speed, you know, vlo, you name it.

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Speaker 4: And it was the same thing. He just crushed it.

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Speaker 3: And so obviously that is a lot different than doing

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Speaker 3: an insight into like from the jump, you know, they

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Speaker 3: He did it in the majors last year again September.

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Speaker 3: But like, when you put all these pieces together, I'd

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Speaker 3: be surprised if he doesn't wind up with a very

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Speaker 3: nice opportunity here at the start of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that anecdote.

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Speaker 1: And I think he even said, I think you had

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Speaker 1: a quote from him where he was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think I like, I think I had all my best,

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Speaker 1: like best moments in front of Cubs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of he kind of smiled when I

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Speaker 3: when I, you know, mentioned that to him.

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Speaker 4: He kind of knew knew I was talking about there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly someone that Cubs fans should be excited about.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, obviously, if he ends up developing

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Speaker 1: as a catcher, that be huge for the Cubs. But

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Speaker 1: it seems like he's like value alone on offense. There's

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Speaker 1: there's plenty there that he can bring to the table

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Speaker 1: and impact this team in a positive way. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a quick break and come back and talk about some pitching.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, We had a little uh pictures survey

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got I'm looking at this now, he got

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Speaker 1: in some like hilarious one liners.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we we've actually discussed the stuff, like with McLean,

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Speaker 1: because Trey Savage went down literally the day this published,

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Speaker 1: and we and and Andy's wondering, do we do we

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Speaker 1: put one hundred inning limit? Like do you have to

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Speaker 1: throw a hundred innings? And I was like, I get

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Speaker 1: where you're coming from here, but also like I think

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Speaker 1: it's a good exercise to see what these guys think

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Speaker 1: of someone like you Savage and McLean. I get it,

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Speaker 1: like we're putting it like it's risky and it makes

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Speaker 1: us look like ridiculous when we have someone that just

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Speaker 1: you know, is now out for X number of months.

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Speaker 1: Who knows how long you Savage is out. I believe

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Speaker 1: it's a shoulder impingement or something like that. And whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. It was vague, but also like I didn't

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Speaker 1: love the sound of it. McLean is one of those

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Speaker 1: guys where people like scouts love him and like I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, Like it's a short body of work

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Speaker 1: and it's like is this guy really legit yet? Like

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Speaker 1: where like are we gonna go all in on this

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Speaker 1: guy after fifty innings? But the stuff is there and

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Speaker 1: and it's tantalizing and it's exciting.

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Speaker 2: So I get that.

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Speaker 1: K didn't really show that type of wing and miss ability,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's it's always you know, the sexy

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Speaker 1: stuff or the strikeouts. It's like on offense, if you

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Speaker 1: have power and on the mound if you get swinging

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Speaker 1: miss stuff, you know you're gonna make money and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna catch you know, attention. So that's that's kind of

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Speaker 1: how it looks on the pitching and we can wrap up.

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Speaker 1: We touched on this before last episode because neither of

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Speaker 1: us were one hundred percent sure, but but Ben Brown

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Speaker 1: went one inning in his last outing. I think that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think it's relevant. The Cubs are always stretching guys out.

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Speaker 1: You want as much starting depth as possible.

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Speaker 2: Is this a hint? Of what's to come for him.

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Speaker 1: You'll get more information on that later, but I just

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Speaker 1: think him and his future are so interesting for the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out something that Tommy Hotteby

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Speaker 1: is very clear about. I think I've said this on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, but I want to make sure we like

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Speaker 1: emphasize this. His career isn't his career path isn't determined.

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Speaker 1: If they shorten him up, they believe they can stretch

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Speaker 1: him out during the season quickly. They did it with

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Speaker 1: Colin Ray who was in the bullpen to start the

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Speaker 1: season and almost immediately had to rejoin this or join

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Speaker 1: the rotation. I think Ben Brown's future is fascinating because

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Speaker 1: like after this season, we have free agents of Matthew Boyd,

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Speaker 1: Edward No Not Edward Cabrera. Matthew Boyd showed him, Naga,

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Speaker 1: Jamison Tyn. That's three fifths of the rotation. That's that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of free agency. But you have, if

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Speaker 1: things work out, Cad Horton and Edward Cabrera at the

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Speaker 1: front of the rotation.

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Speaker 2: Pure stuff. Guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, Justin Steele will be coming back under contract,

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Speaker 1: and then you're talking about like Ben Brown, like has

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Speaker 1: he figured something out out with this sinker you're talking

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Speaker 1: about Jackson Wiggins down the line, Like finally you have

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Speaker 1: some like this very like you know, if you squint,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of guys with stuff that have a

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Speaker 1: chance to be in the Cubs rotation.

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Speaker 2: So I like Ben Brown, don't rule him out.

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Speaker 1: For the future for the rotation, even if they decide

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Speaker 1: like right now we're shortening him up because he's the

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Speaker 1: best possible. He's one of the better options we have

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Speaker 1: to go in the bullpen to start the season because

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Speaker 1: I mean he's having a great spring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Ben Brown talks a really good game.

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Speaker 3: He looks the part we'll see. I think it's really interesting,

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Speaker 3: like total like how he's going to fit into this,

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Speaker 3: Like where they had an off day Thursday.

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Speaker 4: They have a lot of bodies in camp. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: have to.

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Speaker 3: Start moving guys out here very soon, and you know

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Speaker 3: where he fits in there.

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Speaker 4: You know, they definitely think they can map out.

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Speaker 3: The innings to where if he's you know, four innings,

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Speaker 3: three innings, two innings three, you know.

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Speaker 4: To kind of fill it out.

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Speaker 3: That's not really sustainable for the whole year, and even

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Speaker 3: council pointed out the other day, like if you look

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Speaker 3: at Ray's year, like he pitched out and.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe the first ten days ish of the

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Speaker 4: season and then you know you saw him.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the last game of the season

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee came out of the bullpen. But for the most

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Speaker 3: part he was pretty steadily in that rotation.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there was one or two Chemeo appearances here or there,

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Speaker 4: but I didn't look it up. It's more just something

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Speaker 4: he kind of went out of his way to say.

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Speaker 3: Like, you know, yes, Colin Ray has a great outlook

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Speaker 3: on it, and yes he did a great job with it.

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Speaker 4: He didn't complain who was ready, But it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: As maybe back and forth as one may sort of

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Speaker 3: looking at that. Oh yeah, they could just do that

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Speaker 3: with Ben Brown or you know, Javier Asad's another guy

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Speaker 3: too who's kind of in that one.

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Speaker 4: And Ray himself has been in that.

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Speaker 3: So we'll we'll see if there are any surprises here, you know,

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Speaker 3: down the stretch in Arizona, whether that's an injury he

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Speaker 3: labor jameson ty own spring, but that has been you know, noteworthy,

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Speaker 3: and you know Brown, I think the Cups just love

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Speaker 3: the idea of him as a starter. I think they

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Speaker 3: want him to be a starter. I think that would

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Speaker 3: be kind of like an organizational win for them. Obviously

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Speaker 3: he would be more valuable as a starter, But I

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Speaker 3: mean this has been going on for years now, people

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Speaker 3: in the organizations being like, hey.

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Speaker 4: That's to will play out of the bullpen, Like let's

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Speaker 4: get that.

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Speaker 3: There, let's just let him, let's unleash him in these

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Speaker 3: shorter bursts. And you know, I think one way or

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Speaker 3: the other, he'll wind up on the team at some

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Speaker 3: point contributing, and maybe it's next week, get Rigby Field

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Speaker 3: will see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has to get results ultimately, like good spring

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Speaker 1: or not. It doesn't you know, until he starts getting

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Speaker 1: consistent results in the regular season, whether it's as a reliever,

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Speaker 1: as a starter or whatever, he has to perform. But

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Speaker 1: I also don't want people just to rule out or

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Speaker 1: like put him in one lane or rule out that

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Speaker 1: he has a bright future, Like this is a guy

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Speaker 1: with a lot of great stuff.

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Speaker 6: But you're right, like, ultimately he's got and we've seen it.

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Speaker 6: We've seen it. We've seen it in the majors. You know,

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Speaker 6: like that night in Milwaukee, you know he's flirting with

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Speaker 6: a no hitter, Like I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of at that point now where we've

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Speaker 3: had several years and you know, I guess I'm assuming

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Speaker 3: this is his last option year of like, okay, let's

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Speaker 3: see what he could do. And to his credit, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's noticeably bigger. You saw that in spring training. Not

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Speaker 3: that he was in bad shape before, but you know

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Speaker 3: he got credit from council from for having a plan

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Speaker 3: as soon as last season. And if I want to

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Speaker 3: work on this, you know, he's very thoughtful and inquisitive.

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Speaker 3: He's passionate about his craft, you know, always working on stuff,

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Speaker 3: trying to like brainstorming new ideas on how that the

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Speaker 3: v low the swinging and stuff is a different element

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Speaker 3: that you know they don't have in abundance. So there's

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Speaker 3: certainly I like the way you frame it there, Like

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Speaker 3: there's not just like one lane here. They could go

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Speaker 3: back and forth, but it's at this point remains to

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Speaker 3: be seen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm interested to see what he does.

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Speaker 1: And like he's someone that I almost forget about, So

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Speaker 1: I like, maybe it's just me, but I like, I

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Speaker 1: I have to force myself to like, like I have

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Speaker 1: to remind myself I should say that that this guy's like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: he's got nasty stuff. If it clicks, h it could

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Speaker 1: be important, So we can't rule that out. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you what Roly has, whether it's to start the season,

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Speaker 1: middle of the season, whatever, but someone that we just

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Speaker 1: can't forget about just yet. All Right, that's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode of Northside Territory. Make sure to rate, review, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the YouTube channel, and subscribe to the Athletic

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Speaker 1: where Patrick and I. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Everyone. Take care,