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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Guys, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great

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Speaker 1: episode for you today. We have a couple of updates

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Speaker 1: on some stories we've covered over the past couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: including a social media influencer's son who died and drowned

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Speaker 1: in the family swimming pool, and we have the results

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Speaker 1: of Michael Madison's autopsy too. We'll get into the death

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Speaker 1: of singer Connie Francis, a mom criticized for hiring a

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Speaker 1: lifeguard and attempted kidnapping at a popular children's resort, annoying

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Speaker 1: seagulls at the Jersey Shore, and one man's gruesome solution

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Speaker 1: to getting rid of one of them. We'll also discuss

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Speaker 1: the latest DIY body trend that's going viral. All that

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Speaker 1: and more on today's episode. Let's get into Michael Madsen's death.

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Speaker 2: So we had been critical because they said he died

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Speaker 2: from cardiac or esp but now they've elaborated a little

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Speaker 2: more on it, and I'm not going to try to

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Speaker 2: pronounce these things, so you could tell everybody what it says.

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Speaker 1: Well, it said that he had a combination of cardio myopathy,

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Speaker 1: coronary artery disease, chronic alcoholism, and thrombo embolytic disease.

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Speaker 2: So that's basically everything that you said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we know that he had a history

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Speaker 1: of alcoholism. It's really interesting because alcohol when I learned

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Speaker 1: in school anyway, was that alcohol could have an effect

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Speaker 1: on the heart and call something called dilated cardio myopathy.

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Speaker 1: But I just saw that there was a recent study

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Speaker 1: done saying that that isn't the case, and they really

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Speaker 1: just think that it was that it's underlying genetic conditions

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Speaker 1: that are causing these people to get cardiomopathy. And then

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Speaker 1: I learned in school that alcohol was bad for you,

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Speaker 1: and now it might not be bad for you and

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Speaker 1: the like as far as your heart health goes.

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Speaker 2: So who knows where how can it not be bad

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Speaker 2: for your heart if it's bad for other parts of

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Speaker 2: your body.

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Speaker 1: The thing is is that there were studies done that

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Speaker 1: showed that mild drinking could actually improve cardiovascular health, especially

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Speaker 1: with the cornary arteries.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think we did actually talk about that maybe a

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Speaker 1: year or two ago, and then now they just they

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Speaker 1: just go back and forth and say that sometimes it

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Speaker 1: has a good effect on the arteries, and sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know where we're sitting right now, because

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Speaker 1: the heart is just one of these things, like coffee's

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Speaker 1: really bad for you. Okay, maybe one cup of coffee

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Speaker 1: is actually good for you. You know, it goes back

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Speaker 1: and forth all the time.

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Speaker 2: So I can't hear this coffee slander. It's the only

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Speaker 2: vice I have. Just please let me have it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, go ahead and have it. I don't care. But

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Speaker 1: I mean I loved I love coffee too, not as

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Speaker 1: much as I used to, but I do drink it

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Speaker 1: almost every day still, but only like once because I

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Speaker 1: can't sleep anymore. But regardless, so just drinking long term.

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Speaker 1: If they're saying that he had chronic alcoholism, I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: that they saw some kind of damage to the liver,

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Speaker 1: either like a fatty liver disease or even early stages

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Speaker 1: of cirrhosis could have been possible. He had coronary artery disease. Again,

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Speaker 1: we can't exactly say if that was because of the drinking,

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Speaker 1: but regardless, he was He was almost sixty years old,

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Speaker 1: so that just happens when you age in certain different

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Speaker 1: people too. Thrombo embolytic disease means that sometimes a thrombus

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Speaker 1: is a blood clot, and embolytic means it moved, so

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Speaker 1: it means that he could have been having blood clots

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Speaker 1: that were traveling around his body. So everything that happened,

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Speaker 1: it's just because really it seems like he was having

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Speaker 1: a poor lifestyle. It sucks because a lot of the

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Speaker 1: articles were saying that he had sobered up recently, and

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Speaker 1: they said that he had some kind of test done

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Speaker 1: to check his coronary arteries like months ago. So I

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Speaker 1: don't understand if he was waiting to get a procedure

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Speaker 1: done or what that procedure showed, because it did say

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Speaker 1: that he had coronary artery disease. So obviously they may

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Speaker 1: not have fixed what the problem was, if they even

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, we watched Kill Bill last week just

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Speaker 1: I need to watch that again. I love that movie,

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Speaker 1: both of them, and in that movie, that movie's from

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just about to say that now when

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Speaker 2: you put it in perspective and you're like, that was

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Speaker 2: for his age. Yeah, he just looked like he looked

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Speaker 2: like he really did have a rough life. That wasn't

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Speaker 2: makeup or anything. I mean, that's what he looked like

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Speaker 1: So and I love I absolutely love him and his

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Speaker 1: but this is just this is just something. So it's

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Speaker 1: just kind of a bummer because sometimes you hear people

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Speaker 1: have these drug addictions or any kind of alcohol addiction,

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Speaker 1: whatever they're doing and then they die shortly after, and

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Speaker 1: you're kind of like, sometimes the damage is just so

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Speaker 1: great that there's no going back from it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Iconic singer Connie Francis has died at

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Speaker 2: eighty seven years old. So I really like her music

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Speaker 2: as somebody that loves vintage things. But the youths might

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Speaker 2: know her because her song pretty Little Baby recently went

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Speaker 2: viral on TikTok, and it's been used truly in every

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Speaker 2: other video I've seen on Instagram. Yeah, I used it

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Speaker 2: in a clip recently because it's going viral. But I

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Speaker 2: love that song. I think it's awesome and she's an

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Speaker 2: awesome singer. And this is a bummer.

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Speaker 1: I have my volume off at all times because you know,

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Speaker 1: I get triggered by sounds in videos. We know we

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Speaker 1: could have mom someone wrote, Someone wrote a comment under

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Speaker 1: one of my recent videos and was like, Hi, why

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Speaker 1: haven't you been putting sound?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What's up with that? And I'm like, dude, I never

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Speaker 1: I rarely put sound behind because it's so triggering to me.

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Speaker 1: I hate the sound of it. But Connie Francis, you

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Speaker 1: know what, whenever I hear the name Connie Francis, do

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Speaker 1: you know what I think about? What the craft? Why

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Speaker 1: do you do? So you don't know what that? Well,

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Speaker 1: anybody that's listening to me knows exactly what I'm about

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Speaker 1: to say right now. So remember Nancy who what was

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Speaker 1: that actress's name for? Didn't shit for USA? Something?

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Speaker 2: I forge? I forget her. You know, I know exactly

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Speaker 2: who you're talking about. Yeah, the one that kind of

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Speaker 2: looks like you does Nines in the nineties. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: kind of have that look. I guess, yes, murder me

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Speaker 2: if I posted any picture of you that even closely

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Speaker 2: resembled her, because I had gang my gang member pictured,

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Speaker 2: Please pose that I have one of you, me and

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Speaker 2: Lily on the fridge. I'm probably like three or four

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Speaker 2: in the picture. Louie is also a little kid, and

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Speaker 2: you definitely have that like flipped, black dyed haircut and

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Speaker 2: like the dark lip liner and lipstick. Anyway, Prissy, that was.

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Speaker 1: That was the look anyway. In the movie she has

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Speaker 1: she lives in like kind of a white trash situation

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Speaker 1: in a trailer, and she's got this mom who has

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend that's like drunk all the time and beaten

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Speaker 1: something happens and the I guess the trailer that there

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Speaker 1: guy starts having a heart attack. He dies, and then

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Speaker 1: they're like the mom sitting there crying, and then this

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Speaker 1: them know that this total loser had some kind of

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Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden, the mom becomes really

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Speaker 1: and she's like, I've always had a dream my whole

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Speaker 1: life to have a jukebox that only plays Connie Francis.

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Speaker 2: It's it's so great.

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Speaker 1: But so I love that part of the movie just

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Speaker 1: because it's hilarious. But really, the thing that sucks is

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Speaker 1: that Connie Francis sued this a couple companies that were

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Speaker 1: using her songs in movies because she thought that they

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Speaker 1: were morally corrupt. Oh really yeah, Like she didn't like

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Speaker 1: that the like it was being used in like sex

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Speaker 1: scenes with certain movies like Jawbreaker and what was that

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Speaker 1: and the Craft. Obviously, like she just she sued because

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Speaker 1: she said that they were using her music without asking

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about her history. She has

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Speaker 2: her born name was Conchetta which is your grandmother's name,

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Speaker 2: by great grandmother's name, which is the coolest name ever

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Speaker 2: it is. And she had to Americanize her name after

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Speaker 2: going on Arthur Godfrey's TV show Star Time Talent Scouts,

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Speaker 2: so they told her they had to make her name

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Speaker 2: too hard for all us idiot American people. So she

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Speaker 2: then she ended up suing that hotel and won, but

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Speaker 2: she was in a deep depression from that. In nineteen

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Speaker 2: in her depression. And then in nineteen seventy seven she

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Speaker 2: had nasal surgery which caused her to lose her singing voice.

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Speaker 2: And I wanted to bring that point up in particular

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Speaker 2: because there's a new documentary on Barbara Walters, and there's

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Speaker 2: a supercut going around of all the horrific questions she's

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Speaker 2: she asked Barbara streisand was she never got a nose

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Speaker 2: job and she.

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Speaker 1: She's so mean.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she would.

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Speaker 1: She asked like, what did she say? She said something

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Speaker 2: She said it to Elizabeth Teller about her weight. She

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Speaker 2: also had this one pisses me off in particular because

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Speaker 2: I love Dolly Parton more than anything. She like referred

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Speaker 2: and yeah she did. Yeah, And I just think, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this could be probably a whole episode in itself, but

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Speaker 2: she was an extremely disgruntled person that took it out

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Speaker 2: on other people, clearly. But the point that was brought

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Speaker 2: up was that maybe Barbara didn't want to get the

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Speaker 2: as we could see it had been to Connie Francis.

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Speaker 1: So oh, wait of her voice, you mean her talking voice?

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Speaker 2: Because why would you even go in the area in

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Speaker 2: which I could possibly be affected if your primary job.

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Speaker 2: I'm not criticizing Connie France as I'm saying for Barber Streis,

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Speaker 2: And why would she even take the gamble?

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Speaker 1: Like with the eye surgery and stuff, I would just

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, head of it to the grossroom dot com now

436
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: for more info and to sign up. So this mother's

437
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 2: actually facing a lot of criticism for hiring a lifeguard

438
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: at her kid's birthday party.

439
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: This is shocking to me actually, Like if you talk,

440
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: I can't imagine talking to one mother that would be like,

441
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: you're being ridiculous for hiring a lifeguard for a birthday party.

442
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: It seems like somebody that's salty because they don't have

443
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: the ability to do it. I mean, what parent is like, oh,

444
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: you were too safe for my child, Like this is ridiculous.

445
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Like I'm I think that there are definitely people that

446
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: are like extra per call and just with stuff, for sure,

447
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: but I don't think that drowning is one of them.

448
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 1: We've been like, it's the theme of this week's episode.

449
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: We did Malcolm Jamal Warner yesterday. Now we're doing this one.

450
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: This kid, this social media influencer's child that died in

451
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: a pool. Thirty five hundred to four thousand people die drowning.

452
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: That's ten drownings a day, every single day in America,

453
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: ten people are down are drowning. And it's the leading

454
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Speaker 1: cause of death in children ages one to four, leading

455
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Speaker 1: cause of death in children one to four years old. Pool.

456
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: It's not it's not specific to the pool. However, of

457
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: these specific cases of these children, it's the Like I said,

458
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: it's the number one leading cause of death in children

459
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Speaker 1: of that age. Eighty percent of children that die in

460
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Speaker 1: this situation, eighty percent are at a pool or a

461
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: hot tub at a home of residential home when they're

462
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: are adults present. That's out. That's an outrageous statistic. Think

463
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: about that. So why would this mother be wrong for

464
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: having a lifeguard at her house with a pool filled

465
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Speaker 1: with little kids of that age range especially well.

466
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Speaker 2: I think this quote from the article is good, which

467
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: is if everyone is watching, it means nobody is watching

468
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: because everybody's glazing over. They're not really fully paying attention,

469
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: and that is why a lifeguard is important, because it's

470
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent their job.

471
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Speaker 1: I've had three pool parties at the house for the kids' school,

472
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 1: like their whole class comes, and I've gotten one of

473
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Speaker 1: Gabe's friend's kids to come lifeguard every single one because

474
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: I'll be outside and somebody, can I have a drink?

475
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Speaker 2: Do you have this? Do you have that?

476
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: Running in the house? Go in here. Ultimately it's my house.

477
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's responsible, and the moms are there.

478
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: There's a lot of moms there, but like moms are

479
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: talking to each other, they're not staring at their kid

480
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: in the pool the whole entire time. And I know

481
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: my kids know the pool, it's their pool. They feel

482
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. I feel a little bit less crazy

483
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: having to watch them in that situation, but I always

484
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: am outside with them, of course, but like other kids

485
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that had never been in my pool before, it certainly is.

486
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 1: It's just scary and it's my responsibility that owning the pool.

487
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: For our Fourth of July party, there were a lot

488
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: of it just was a little bit of a different

489
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: situation because number one, there were sixty firefighters at my

490
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: house that also can do rescue people if there's a situation.

491
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: But adults were in the pool with the kids and

492
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: everybody was just kind of like sitting there and there

493
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: wasn't With the kids pool party, it gets a little

494
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: crazy because the kids jump in and they jump on

495
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: each other and there's just lots of different things that

496
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: could happen. That's another thing just besides drowning, like the

497
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: kids jumping in the pool and hitting another kid underneath

498
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: might incapacitate them that they can't come up to the water.

499
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: And people just need to get it through their head

500
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: that when a person drowns, it's quiet. It's not this

501
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: like flowling in the water and water splashing everywhere, and

502
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: before you know it, you turn around. If the kids

503
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: upside down in the pool, like you might not be

504
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: able to get them back after that. It's so scary

505
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: and I just I think it's I'm actually shocked by

506
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: it that people are aren't like, wow, that was genius,

507
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: love you to do that.

508
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: Because they're just always had This is always playing into

509
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: my theory of you could give all your money to

510
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 2: kids dying from cancer and whatever, somebody's gonna always think

511
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: you're an asshole, like it doesn't matter. This mom did

512
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: the right thing. Most people can agree everything she did

513
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: was right and safe, but there has to be one

514
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: bitter betty over in the corner that's like you really

515
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: hired a lifeguard. That's so dramatic, like is it? And

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 2: like it's my money, so mind your business, bitch.

517
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: And listen like a lifeguard is also a false sense

518
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: of security. I think it's definitely better because like when

519
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: I have Amelia her name has come over to my house.

520
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: She is sitting on the side of the pool, looking

521
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: into the pool. She's not sitting with us, hanging with us, partying.

522
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: She's sitting there. She's got a whistle and she's looking

523
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: at the kids in the pool. And her only job

524
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: is to sit It's not to socialize. It's to sit

525
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: there and look at the kids in the pool. And

526
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: she has a whistle and she uses it and she

527
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: yells at them when they're getting out of line. And

528
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's scare kids because if I was like, guys, bait, guys,

529
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: stop it, they don't. They don't listen to me when

530
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: I talk, like I say that all the time, Like

531
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: I could say that, but if Amelia is there, she'll

532
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: blow her whistle and shit, they get scared. They get

533
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: scared of her, you know what I mean. And I

534
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: don't think it's bad at all, honestly. And there's plenty

535
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: of like all around you, there's swim clubs and there's

536
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: all kids that are in there they do swim and stuff.

537
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: There's plenty of kids that would be willing to do it,

538
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: like younger kids, college kids and stuff like that. And

539
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, obviously, like everybody can't afford to

540
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: do that, but I definitely don't think that people should

541
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: be saying that that's dumb.

542
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: No, And they're saying that if a lifeguard isn't in

543
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: your budget, that you could use this water watcher system,

544
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: which is basically just adults switching off on who's watching

545
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: them exactly time. Yeah, And there's always you know, parents

546
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: always come to the party and you could be like,

547
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: all right, you're on for ten minutes and then we'll

548
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: switch and stuff like.

549
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Kids are kids. And when you hear that the leading

550
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: cause of death that that age range is from pools,

551
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: that should be your number one focus to make sure

552
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: that they're protected from that pool.

553
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: All right. So this family was at the Great Wolflage

554
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: in Virginia when a man went up to their seven

555
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: year old son, placed his hand on the boy's head,

556
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: asked him to remove his talent and go down the

557
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: slide with him, And then when the boy tried to

558
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: get away from him, the guy grabbed his shirt. So

559
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: of course the family freaking out and calls police. The

560
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: review and then find that the guy was a guest

561
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: in the hotel.

562
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: There should never be a situation where there is a

563
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: single man that is staying, a single person in general,

564
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: staying at that hotel without a child. There is absolutely

565
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: nothing there to do without a child.

566
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I was gonna say. I think people,

567
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: you know, I obviously everybody makes fun of me for it.

568
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: I live in this world where like you're guilty until

569
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: you prove it, is it right? But like people really

570
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: need to be more observant of adults that are in

571
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: these children places without their own family members, right, Like

572
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: these single people walking around, it's not it's accept except

573
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: in Disney World, then it's completely acceptable. But it's not

574
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: really acceptable in Disney World.

575
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: Honestly, now it's what But like adults go to Disney World,

576
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: it is a very it's a very interesting thing because

577
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: there'll be I mean there. This is like because the

578
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: thing is is that there are adult things to do

579
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: in Disney World, like and you could drink wine and

580
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: you could go do or you could go on rides

581
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: to if you want to do that, right, totally, Great

582
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: Wolf Lodge is like, first of all, it is the

583
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: worst place in the world that I've ever been on

584
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: the planet. It's torture for a parent. I brought my

585
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: kids there once because I try not to be that

586
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: kind of parent. That's like I'm not doing anything because

587
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I can't stand to be in these environments. But it's

588
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: just it's just a nightmare of bacterial infection. Gross, like

589
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: whole it smelled like chemicals so bad and just lots

590
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: of people and expensive for nothing, and just the whole

591
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: entire thing of it was terrible. I hate that place.

592
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: But like there's there's nothing there that's for adults. There's

593
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: just nothing there that's for adults, Like I guess in theory,

594
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: like adults like going on water slides and stuff too.

595
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: But just it's just weird because that whole entire place

596
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: is geared towards children, So I would be suspicious of

597
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: anyone going there alone, because it's not I mean, I

598
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: guess it's a hotel, but like there's all there's other

599
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: hotels around. Why would you go there? Why would anyone

600
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: in their right mind want to be there unless they

601
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: had to be there with their kids. That's what I'm

602
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: trying to say.

603
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is the worst place on earth.

604
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: It's not like I mean, Disney's different, but whatever. I

605
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: just want to listen, Like if you're thinking about pedophiles

606
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: and stuff, like where are they going to go? They're

607
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: going to go places where they're children. That's why they're

608
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: teachers and you know what I mean, they get they

609
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: put themselves in situations where they could have access.

610
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: No, it's really disturbing. At least in this case, this

611
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: guy got arrested, was denied bond. They where was this at?

612
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: It was in Virginia, but the man was from North

613
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: Carolina because being held in the Virginia Virginia. So yeah, yeah,

614
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: go Virginia, because I don't think people are often in

615
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: Virginia's quarter.

616
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: We have a story of a case later on tomorrow's

617
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: episode of a person that got bailed for an unthinkable

618
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, good for good for Virginia in this case.

619
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: All right, what about so this this next case that

620
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about is local to Austin, Jersey

621
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: down the shore, and it it happened last year actually,

622
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: but I guess the guy just got sentenced or whatever.

623
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this really isn't surprising to me. Is is

624
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: it surprising for you? This guy in Wildwood? He was

625
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: in Wildwood, he's from keepe May. His daughter was holding

626
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: French fries and the seagull swooped down and tried to

627
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: grab one, which anybody that goes to the I don't

628
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: know where if seagulls are at every single beach, but

629
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: they're local to hear right, every single They're like, we

630
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: have to start.

631
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: This by really describing the seagulls. Though they're a problem.

632
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: They associate people with food. They I mean, Lillian got

633
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: pooped on one last year. Getting pooped on by one

634
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: is not that big of a deal. The thing is

635
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: is that they become violent. Like if you're carrying a

636
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: piece of pizza and walking up the boardwalk, it will

637
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: come and take it off your plate. They will attack you.

638
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: If you're holding French fries and one falls on the ground,

639
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: there'll be a swarm of them that come near you.

640
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: But it is well known as a Jersey person that

641
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: they are off limits to try to hurt. They're migratory birds.

642
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: They you're not allowed to touch them, and they're signs

643
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: all up over the place that say that you could

644
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: get in a lot of trouble for doing so.

645
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: In this case, the seagull swoops down to get the

646
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: French fries from his daughter. He takes said siegull, and

647
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: then doesn't just like hurt it. He decapitates the bird

648
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: in front of other people, goes up to workers on

649
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Speaker 2: the boardwalk and ask them if he could dispose of

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Speaker 2: it somewhere. Obviously, people are horrified. They call police. He's

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Speaker 2: arrested and now he's been indicted by a grand jury

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Speaker 2: for animal abuse.

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Speaker 1: How did he take the head off? He ripped it

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Speaker 1: off or he like cut it off with a knife

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Speaker 1: or something. Dude, they don't say it. They just say

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Speaker 1: that they deca so all on picturing. I've been to

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Speaker 1: Wildwood a million times. I'm picturing walking up the boardwalk

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Speaker 1: and some guy holding the he I think he thought

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Speaker 1: he was like a hero. Yes, Like, why do too?

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you hide that shit?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, when it said this went down in Wildwood, I

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Speaker 2: was like, obviously it happened there, like your else?

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Speaker 1: Would it happened this city?

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Speaker 2: Please? No? I No matter how he took the bird's

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Speaker 2: head off, whether he like ripped its head off or

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Speaker 2: cut it with a knife, it's so disturbing. And he

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Speaker 2: just did it in front of other people. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine just he.

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Speaker 1: Did it as like a trophy, because because everybody, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I guess from his perspective, like everyone hates the

671
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: seagulls and they suck. So he was like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did something about it now, like I'm the hero, and

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00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: everybody was like, yo, dude, you took that way too far.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine? I picture us as a family just

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Speaker 2: walking down the boardwalk, drinking our coke, eating some crab

676
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Speaker 2: fries and looking over and being like what is happening?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So the thing is though, and like, to me,

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Speaker 1: he should be in all of this trouble because even

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00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: though they're pestian stuff, there's like a certain line you

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Speaker 1: don't cross, and that's that to me, just says a

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00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of different things about this guy not being able

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Speaker 1: to control his emotions, and that's that actually scares me

683
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Speaker 1: for him to be around other people, because that to

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Speaker 1: me is like a lot like a line was crossed, right,

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Speaker 1: And there's all these studies done about Obviously we've heard

686
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Speaker 1: all the ones about children harming animals and things like

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Speaker 1: that and growing up to have anti social behaviors, but

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Speaker 1: there's also a strong association with adults that do things

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: like this, having alcohol use disorder or gambling addiction, anti

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00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: social personality disorder and things like that. So this isn't

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Speaker 1: just like some wholesome dad at the beach and just

692
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: like flipped on this seagull. There's like way more going

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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes with this dude.

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Speaker 2: Well, he also pleaded not guilty, which I'm really interested.

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Speaker 1: I have him like, yeah, there's probably like cameras of him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he he just because he's he played guilty

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he didn't do it. It just means that

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Speaker 1: he feels it was justified.

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Speaker 2: So I have Jerry duty in two weeks and.

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Speaker 1: I'm that would be It's not in kpe May County though.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not the same. It's not the same county,

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Speaker 2: but people.

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Speaker 1: That are listening right now that live in kpe May

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Speaker 1: County are lucky. This is a good case.

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Speaker 2: It is a good case. But I'm just like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I sit here and I'm like, we live in the

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Speaker 2: middle of like nowhere, Like what could possibly be going

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Speaker 2: on here?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: That's interesting? But then these cases pop Upait, Wait.

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Speaker 1: You're in a different You're in Burlington County. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you're not gonna have too much interesting, although there's

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Speaker 1: been One of my friends works at the Medical Examiner's

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Speaker 1: office there, and there are some crazy shit that happened

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Speaker 1: there sometimes a couple of years ago, so like, there's

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Speaker 1: always a chance.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're possibly gonna let me partake in

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Speaker 2: Jerry duty? When I filled out the form and they

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Speaker 2: said what is your job? And I put I have

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Speaker 2: a true crime podcast, I feel like you.

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Speaker 1: Just throw it in the trash.

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Speaker 2: I can't. I am a rule follower and I'm nosy,

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Speaker 2: so I kind of want to go so I won't

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Speaker 2: get called because I want to go, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Whatever, But the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of

726
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen has made it illegal to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill,

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00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: or sell seagulls or other migratory birds. So this has

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Speaker 2: been illegal for over one hundred years. It's not a surprise.

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Speaker 2: I really wonder how this trial is gonna go down

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Speaker 2: with this guy trying to say he didn't do it,

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Speaker 2: because I guarantee you somebody videoed him doing it.

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Speaker 1: There's cameras on the boardwalk, so he's beat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, let's talk about this new trend which

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Speaker 2: is called freeze branding. So actually I came across this

735
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Speaker 2: a while ago and I wanted to write an article

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Speaker 2: on it for the Gross Room. But then when I

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Speaker 2: was researching it, there was barely any videos or any

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Speaker 2: news articles discussing it. So I was like, I don't

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Speaker 2: really know what it is, and I'm going to wait.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm interested that it's finally popping up in

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Speaker 2: the news.

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Speaker 1: Well, apparently, in nineteen sixty six a doctor had created

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Speaker 1: this less painful way to mark animals for identification instead

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Speaker 1: of branding them with a hot iron, because apparently the

745
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Speaker 1: cold iron doesn't hurt as much. So people are taking

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Speaker 1: that and deciding to put this iron in liquid nitrogen

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Speaker 1: or something to really freeze it up, and then branding

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Speaker 1: their own skin with it to leave like a scark

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Speaker 1: type of tattoo and all dermatologists and physicians are advising

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Speaker 1: against this because when they originally came up with this

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00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: concept to do cattle or horses, their skin is really

752
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: thick and could and handle that. But our skin so

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Speaker 1: thin that burning it with liquid nitrogen like that could

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Speaker 1: actually cause second, third, and even fourth degree burns, which

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Speaker 1: could lead to cellulitis and then sepsis and ultimately death

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Speaker 1: or amputations.

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand why we're like this conversation is

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Speaker 2: gonna come up every week. Why are we living in

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Speaker 2: a society where you see something online and then you

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Speaker 2: think it's a good idea and then you go for

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Speaker 2: it and do it.

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Speaker 1: Well. It can be sometimes if it's like a craft project.

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Speaker 1: I made that pizza that I made yesterday was like

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Speaker 1: a viral tic tac raft.

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Speaker 2: It's now doing a medical procedure on your I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could argue it about traditional tattooing too,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, it's just been around so much longer.

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Speaker 1: But what happens in this with the the cold branding

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Speaker 1: is really interesting is that the cells get frozen, and

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Speaker 1: the melanocytes in the skin, which are responsible for your

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Speaker 1: skin color, they can get killed off. So it makes

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Speaker 1: you have a scar that's white and doesn't have any pigment,

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Speaker 1: which is cool because you could see the pattern of it.

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Speaker 1: The problem is is when you don't have any melanocytes

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Speaker 1: in your skin, it has zero protection against UV rays,

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00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: so you could get just serious burns or anything like that.

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00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: Having a large and you know some of these things

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00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: that people are doing or large it could be their

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00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: their whole entire arm or something. It's similar to a

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00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: person that's that's an albino or something that has a

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Speaker 1: lack of these melanocytes pigments in their cells and the

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Speaker 1: risk they are at getting serious burns because of it.

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like why people don't realize

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Speaker 1: that your skin is an organ. I obviously didn't realize

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Speaker 1: that before I started getting tattooed, because I never would

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Speaker 1: have gotten it done if I knew what I know.

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Speaker 1: But like just to think, like, would you brand like

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Speaker 1: your liver? No, you'd be like, no, I'm not going

789
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Speaker 1: to do that. Well, it's the same. It's the same.

790
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: It's just your skin is your number one defense against

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Speaker 1: the outside world.

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Speaker 2: Apparently this isn't the dumbest hack people are doing lately

793
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: online because the article also referenced how dermatologists have spoken

794
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Speaker 2: out about other things that just people lining their lips

795
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: with sharpies and wording that it could lead to toxins

796
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: into their bloodstream, and also putting hemorrhoid cream under their

797
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: eyes because it could lead to glaucoma. Oh cool, So maybe.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask my I know the hemorrhoid cream on.

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Speaker 1: My kids have asked me about it before, so I

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00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: know that they've seen that. I'm going to ask them

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00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: about the stupid sharpie one.

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Speaker 2: So I think when you see a beauty hack that's like,

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00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, let's think of a popular one, which is

804
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: the robe curls, Like you take the strap from your

805
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: robe and you put it on your head and you

806
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: take your wet hair and wrap it around it to

807
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: give you nice curls. That is a harmless beauty heck,

808
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: when you're putting like other cream.

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Speaker 1: What about the Pilei Jenner lip challenge with the sucking

810
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: of the model.

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Speaker 2: Well, well this is the.

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Speaker 1: Problem though, because the kid comes across the video and

813
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: thing that these things are cool, and then they get hurt.

814
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: It's they look like they have a giant hickey on

815
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Speaker 1: their face for a week so the best was that

816
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: she was like, I was like, what happened to your lip?

817
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: Like I could tell that it looks like a suction wound, right,

818
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: And She's like, oh, I fell on the bottle And

819
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah.

820
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Speaker 2: The old I fell on it. Drick ain't working with

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Speaker 2: this mom in particular. All right, guys, we will see

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