1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Tuesday, the fifth of December here in London. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Curt podcast. I'm Caroline Hepka. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, taxing times for 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: the top one hundred Britain's largest companies get hit with 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: bigger bills from the government cut. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: US Wealth Fund is getting set to offload almost half 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: its stake in Barclay's. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: And Saudi's energy minister tells US oil supply cuts could 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: continue past March. 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Britain's largest one hundred companies are paying seven percent more 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: in tax than they were last year, accounting for a 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: tenth of all of the government's receipts. Binburg's Ewen Parts 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: has more. 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: Higher staff wages, health and social care charges and a 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: winfull tax. All that up to a ninety billion pound 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 3: bill for the UK's top one hundred companies. The numbers 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: come from the one hundred Group, a collection of the 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 3: UK's biggest public and private companies. At a time when 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: both parties want to drive GDP growth, investment by the 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: group shrank by two percent as taxes went up. Labor 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: leader Kiss starmas as the situation demands an economic rethink. 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: Inflation, debt, taxes are now huge constraints. Never before has 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 4: a British government asked its people to pay so much 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: for so little. 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 3: But Starmer says that anyone who expects a labor government 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: to quickly turn on the spending taps will be disappointed. 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: In London, EU and pots Blimberg Radio. 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: Now, Cuta's Sovereign Wealth Fund is selling nearly half of 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: its shares in Berkley's. The sale is expected to raise 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: half a billion pounds for the Middle Eastern State as 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: one of Berkley's largest shareholders. The Cutter Investment Authority sale 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: comes ahead of a planned revamp of the bank next year. 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Turning next to the Berkeley family regaining ownership of the 35 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Telegraph newspaper after an Abu Dhabi backed fund helped pay 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: off its one point two billion debt to Lloyd's. The 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: lender of Firs sees both the Telegraph and the Spectator 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: magazine in June, following years of negotiations with the Berkley family. 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: The repayment means Lloyd's could be in line for a 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: windfall of about five hundred million pounds after the bank 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: wrote off the majority of the debt years ago. 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Now to other UK news, the Home Secretary James Cleverly 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: says that people coming to live in Britain will need 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: to show a thirty eight thousand pounds salary. He hopes 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: that the new plan will dampen Britain's highest net migration 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: figures on record. 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: This package of measures, taking in addition with the measures 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 5: on student depend dependence that we have already announced in May, 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 5: means that around three hundred thousand fewer people will be 50 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 5: eligible to come to the UK than were coming last year. 51 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 5: This is the largest reduction on record. 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: The new Home Sectaries policy comes as Conservatives sphere reaching 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: the next election without delivering on their pledge to reduce 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: migrant numbers. It's the second time this year that the 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: government has unveiled a new five point plan to tackle 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: the issue. 57 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: Israel's military is pushing into southern Gaza after a truce 58 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: with Hamas collapsed. IDF spokesman John Canrincus urged civilians to 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: fled south to evacuate once again. 60 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 6: The responsibility for this is on Hamas. If Hamas were 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 6: to fight outside of the urban area, I don't think 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 6: that there would be a single Palestinian wounded or killed. 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 6: The fact that there are Palestinian civilians killed is because 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 6: Hamas is embedding itself within the civilian population. 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Conrinkus's comments come as US officials grow increasingly vocal about 66 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: their fears around the death toll in Gaza. Defense Secretary 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: Lloyd Austin said Israel with strategic defeat if it fails 68 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: to heed warnings about the mounting casualties. 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: Now, the global willmarket should be prepared for a sustained 70 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: cut in supply. According to Saudi's energy minister, speaking in 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: an exclusive interview with Bloomberg, Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman said 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: that curbs will be delivered in full and may even 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: be extended. 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 7: Even the word economy storyline is not as bad as 75 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 7: people are seeing it, but we want to make sure 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 7: again this precautionary approach, which a lot of people having 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 7: a problem with me on this issue being precautious. I'm 78 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 7: an at a gambler as a person, this country does 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 7: not get into gambling business. We are known for being 80 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 7: cautious and precautious simply because we have to make sure 81 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 7: that whatever we do is something that has has its 82 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 7: own contingencies. 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: Prince Abde Laziz also emphasized that while he couldn't convince 84 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: his Russian counterpart to cut output, there is a high 85 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: level of trust and cooperation between read and Moscow on 86 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: oil policy. Bloomberg understands that Vladimir Putin will visit Saudi 87 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Arabia and the United Arab Emirates this week for a 88 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: rare overseas trip. It's also reported that the Russian leader 89 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: will meet with the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad Ben Salman. Now, 90 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: in a moment, we'll bring you more from our exclusive 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: interview with the Saudi Arabia Energy Minister, Prince Abdulazi's been 92 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Salman of course, as we are talking about COP twenty 93 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: eight ongoing in Dubai. But another story caught my eye 94 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: this morning. Did you see this? I'm not, i must say, 95 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: particularly a footy fan, but the numbers are eye watering. 96 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: The Premier League has sold four years of UK broadcast 97 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: rights you'll know how much for a lot six point 98 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: seven billion pounds. They've sold them to Sky in TNT. 99 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: So this is the season's twenty twenty five to twenty eight, 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: so it's three years of matches. Apparently there are more 101 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: matches that you can watch, but it's an enormous amount 102 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: of money that has increased of course versus the last round. 103 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's a fascinating illustration of where the money 104 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: goes and media markets at the moment, especially who didn't 105 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: bid this time around. So Amazon, for example, got a 106 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: package of twenty matches. The last time around, they weren't 107 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: in this bid and they said they didn't want to 108 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: bid for the volume of games that were on after 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: according to sources speaking to Bloomberg. But the amount of 110 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: money for these rights packages keeps going up and up. 111 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: The Premier League says it's the largest sports sports media 112 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: rights package ever sold in the UK because they basically 113 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: made the package bigger that you can buy this time 114 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: around as well, and it's a contrast to what we're 115 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: seeing elsewhere the rights packages sold in Italy, for example, 116 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: they were sold for less than a billion for the 117 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Seria matches there. In France, they actually asked for a 118 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: resubmission of bids from bidders because the first round of 119 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: offers from broadcasters didn't satisfy the league. 120 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then also the Premier League does appear to 121 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: be unique in terms of what it offers sort of 122 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: globally to views. If you are a football fan, it 123 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: just seems to be indispensable, you know, according to the 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: fifty fans out there. Anyway, that story caught r I 125 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: this morning. But then also let's send to another one 126 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: again on the UK this morning. 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the UK's largest companies emphasizing the pressure they're under 128 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: from the record burden of taxation here in the UK. 129 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: The one hundred group, which represents a collection of the 130 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: UK's biggest public and private companies, says investment why these 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: firms is also gone down. So high tax is a 132 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: big issue for the government. So too is immigrations in 133 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: tax government announcing they're tightening the rules around visas applying 134 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: to live in the UK. Our UK correspondent Lizzie Burden 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: joins us now to talk about all these stories. Let's 136 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: start with this tax story first, Lizzie, the tax take 137 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: attracting more investments to the UK. These latest figures may 138 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: make for difficult reading not only for the business as involved, 139 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: but for government. 140 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: Two. 141 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, these figures show that Britain's hundred biggest companies saw 142 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 8: their tax bill rise seven point two five percent in 143 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 8: the past year, so it's a total of ninety billion pounds. 144 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 8: It accounts for a tenth of all the government's tax receipts, 145 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 8: and the amount of complaining I have to say on 146 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 8: Twitter about Britain's tax burden is becoming a nightmare for 147 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 8: my social media alerts, it has to be said. But 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 8: the Chancellor would point to his move in the Autumn 149 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 8: Statement to make full expensing on capital investment permanent, what 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 8: he called the biggest tax cut for business in history, 151 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 8: and the Prime Minister of would point to the Global 152 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 8: Investment Summit last week when you had all these big 153 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 8: names of business jetting into the UK making investment commitments, 154 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 8: the likes of Blackstone Steve Schwartzman. So they would say 155 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 8: that this isn't a problem. But of course attracting investment 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 8: isn't just about tax, It's also about stability. So many 157 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 8: of the business leaders that I speak to are cozying 158 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 8: up to the opposition because at least the polls suggest 159 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 8: that the next government is going to be led by labor, 160 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 8: which puts the question for the Shadow Chancellor how she's 161 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 8: going to fund the spending plans that her colleagues keep 162 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 8: making and maintain the tax cuts that the Chancellor's already 163 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 8: announced without adding to borrowing to an extent that it 164 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 8: rocks the bond market. Is she going to try to 165 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 8: raise wealth taxes? For example, ladies already referred to people 166 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 8: with the broadest shoulders carrying the biggest load. And yet 167 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 8: separate analysis by the Wealth Club, this high net worth 168 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 8: investment service found that one hundred thousand wealthy and des 169 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 8: only paid fifty five billion pounds of all income and 170 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 8: capital gains tax are about a quarter of the total, 171 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 8: and therefore the Wealth Club says it's an absolute myth 172 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 8: that wealthy individuals aren't already paying their fair share of tax. 173 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that an answer was really eye catching. 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: You know that the top one hundred individuals also paying 175 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: a huge share in terms of the Treasury's coffers. So 176 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: then the government under pressure in terms of the tax burden, 177 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: also under significant pressure because of migration. We had the 178 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: net migration numbers, you know, which are official figures, just 179 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: an estimate, but that the number's got a lot of attention. 180 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: Last week, six hundred and seventy two thousand more people 181 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: moving to the UK than leaving. So this is also 182 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: at the heart of what government is trying to do. 183 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, and crucially within those numbers, the vast majority of 184 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 8: migrants aren't coming from the EU eunit nationals are actually 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 8: emigrating post Brexit. But as we as you say, we've 186 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 8: had this new announcement from the new Home Secretary James 187 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 8: Cleverly in Parliament yesterday, including raising the salary threshold for 188 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 8: work visa entrance and stopping health and social care workers 189 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 8: from bringing dependents as it has already for students. So 190 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 8: clearly the idea is to reduce the number of non 191 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 8: working immigrants, and he says the aim is to reduce 192 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 8: annual net immigration by three hundred thousand in future years. 193 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 8: His phrase so not setting out a precise timetable, and 194 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 8: Labor last week said that it wanted two hundred thousand 195 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 8: net immigration. So it looks like Labour actually has a 196 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 8: stricter immigration policy than the Conservatives. Now there's been a 197 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 8: backlash already Unison, the Union says that it's cruel this plan. 198 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 8: It's going to spell disaster for health and social care, 199 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 8: and of course the health service already has staff shortages. 200 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 8: But in fact there's also the converse worry that these 201 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 8: new rules are going to trigger a dash to enter 202 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 8: the UK before they kick in in spring, so it 203 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 8: could be a real headache. 204 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: So those are changes to legal migration. And meanwhile we're 205 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: also watching for the next steps on the government's Rwanda 206 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: deportation plan. That's for illegal immigrants into the UK. What's 207 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: the next government's next desp We're watching for Lizzie exactly. 208 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 8: This had really been the focus until those new migration 209 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 8: figures came out, but the government said that it's close 210 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 8: to agreeing a deportation treaty. You remember, the Supreme Court 211 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 8: rejected the original plan. So Sunak at the moment has 212 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 8: to thread the needle between on the one hand, plicating 213 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 8: the hardline Tories who want him to ignore the Supreme 214 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 8: Court's ruling disipply Britain's commitments under international packs like the 215 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 8: European Convention on Human Rights, and then on the other 216 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 8: hand those who points out that that convention underpins the 217 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 8: Good Friday Agreement, which of course helped to end the 218 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 8: decades of violence in Northern Ireland. So this is the 219 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 8: situation for the government. And meanwhile Rwanda basically saying there's 220 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 8: nothing to worry about. Rwanda's safe and this criticism is hypocritical. 221 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: Lizzie, thank you so much for Bloomberg UK corresponds at 222 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Lizzie Burden. 223 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Let's bring you more now of our exclusive interview with 224 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia's Energy Minister, Prince Abdulaziz Ben Salmon says the 225 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: OPEC plus production cuts agreed last week can absolutely continue 226 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: past the first quarter if needed. This as the alliance 227 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: announced reduction and supply of more than two million barrels 228 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: a day but failed to move oil prices significantly. The 229 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: minister has been speaking to Bloomberg's Will Kennedy in read each. 230 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 7: Of the individual statements, including the aggregated settum that came 231 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 7: up out of the Secretariat, which is like a news 232 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 7: item expressed in details, each and everybody commitment to do 233 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 7: that think, which is that we should phase it out 234 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 7: and if we all subjugated it to market condition. 235 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 9: Sadi Arabia's at nine million bosvil a million barretles a day, 236 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 9: that's quite low by historical standards. If other people came 237 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 9: with you, would you be willing to go lower still? 238 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 9: Or is this the most that Saudi Arabia can do? 239 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 7: Collective decisions to be made by all of us up 240 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 7: for the download, something that we always went. 241 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 9: For, but sadly Arabia wouldn't go lower than nine billion 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 9: pounds on its own. 243 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 7: We are not envisaging that they need. Actually we are hoping. 244 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 7: And this is one of the things that I, you know, 245 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 7: I beg to differ with the pundits or so called 246 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 7: SODO experts of saying that there is no growth in demand. 247 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 7: We see physical growth in demand. We see things that 248 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 7: are improving. The even the word economy storyline is not 249 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 7: as bad as people are seeing it. But we want 250 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 7: to make sure again this precautionary approach, which a lot 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 7: of people having a problem with me on this issue 252 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 7: being precautious. I'm an at a gambler as a person. 253 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 7: This country does not get into gambling business. We are 254 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 7: known for being cautious and precautious simply because we have 255 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 7: to make sure that whatever we do is something that 256 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 7: has its own continue Even in our budgety exercises, we 257 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 7: go for lower numbers, we go for lower protection levels, 258 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 7: we go for all of the above just to make 259 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 7: sure that we can continue progressing, progressing, attending to our region. 260 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 9: You're not selling any oil to the US. That's an 261 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 9: unusual very little oil to the US. That's a very 262 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 9: unusual position for saluate. 263 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 7: No, it has been coming down as a result of 264 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 7: what is happening with the Shared Revolution. It's a welcome revolution. 265 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 7: It's a welcome thing. Actually, we're using the same technologies 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 7: now in j four when it comes to shell gas. 267 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 7: Actually we're actually improving it. To be honest, I owe 268 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 7: to alarm. So thriving oil hydrocarbon industry is something we believe. 269 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 7: Is that I think for the world now, if others 270 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 7: don't like that at all, so I'd ask these countries. 271 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 7: I'm not naming names, but it's their choice if they 272 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 7: see that we should phase out and phase down hydrocarbon 273 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 7: or HYDROCLB. I don't care about phossipheel, I care about HYDROCYLB. 274 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 7: If they do, please, I did once INII very just 275 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 7: the last if I said, please, those countries who really 276 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 7: believe on phasing out, on phasing down hydrocarbons, you should 277 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 7: come out and put together a plan for how in 278 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 7: starting first of January twenty twenty four, when they are 279 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 7: going to freeze when they should at least freeze their 280 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 7: production by January twenty four, and also put together a 281 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 7: plan for when that descendants or phasing out. 282 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 9: What happened you mentioned this phase out five hundred miles 283 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 9: from here in Dupai, many thousands of people doing the 284 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 9: annual Climate Summit, and one of the issues there is 285 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 9: this language which we discussed actually last year about whether 286 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 9: that text like we to buy most every country in 287 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 9: the world should say fossil fuels should be phased down. 288 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 9: Are you happy to have that language in the text? 289 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 7: Absolutely not, and I should you. Not a single person. 290 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 10: In that well I'm talking about government do believe in that. 291 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 10: But if they believe in it, I would like to 292 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 10: put that challenge for all of those who believe, who 293 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 10: think comes out publicly basing we have to do that. 294 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 10: Please give me their name and numbers and look it. Well, 295 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 10: I'll give you their name and number, call them and 296 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 10: ask them how they are gonna to ax you whoot 297 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 10: that effective January twenty four. If they believe that this 298 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 10: is the highest moral ground issue, fantastic. 299 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 7: Let them do that themselves and we will see how 300 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 7: much they can deliver. 301 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 10: If they can delive, this. 302 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: Is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the stories 303 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: making news from London to Wall streets and beyond. 304 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 305 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 306 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 307 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 308 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 309 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: ammaz On Alexa devices, just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 310 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 2: I'm Caroline Hepka and I'm Stephen Carol. 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