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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into a Breakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazier.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier, and before I get to my guest today,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna love. He is about a foot and a

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Speaker 2: half taller than me and about one hundred pounds everything me.

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Speaker 2: This guy and I have wrestled for about three or

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Speaker 2: four years together, but I'd say her a little bit

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Speaker 2: faster than me.

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Speaker 3: Also catch a little few more balls than I do.

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Speaker 4: Also.

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Speaker 2: But if you're like many people, you may be surprised

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Speaker 2: to learn that one in five adults in this country

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Speaker 2: experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many fail

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Speaker 2: to receive the support they need. Carolyn, behavioral health is

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Speaker 2: doing something about it. They understand the behavioral health is

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Speaker 2: a key part of WI health, delivering compassionate care that

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Speaker 2: treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs and tandem carol

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Speaker 2: them behavior health raising the quality of life through empathy

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Speaker 2: and action.

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Speaker 3: With that, I want to walk him in.

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Speaker 2: I guess you're one of the first ever players to

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Speaker 2: go through our mixed martial arts program. Now I call

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Speaker 2: it our breakable program. Then it was called our MMA

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Speaker 2: athletics program. And he is in I believe his forty

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Speaker 2: seventh year in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Is that correct me?

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Speaker 5: Citi Lewis Man eighteen almost colon in dog years old.

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Speaker 2: That goes to because you're a dog that goes to

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Speaker 2: uh man, what is that times seven or something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's a long time, A long time man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when you set out to play

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Speaker 2: in this league, right, and you were more of a

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Speaker 2: finesca you're basketball player at UCLA. Right touchdown you know

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Speaker 2: Catcher earlier in your career did you make a consciousness

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Speaker 2: and now you're a sniper.

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Speaker 3: Now you have the best job in football in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Now you sit there, you're basically a tackle who comes

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Speaker 2: in and catch passes and just lights up defensive ends

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Speaker 2: when man whether they know it's coming or not.

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Speaker 3: It's it's great. It's like a closer in baseball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I mean it's it's definitely.

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Speaker 5: Like I like to think of it, I'm in my

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Speaker 5: second prime now, you know what I mean, Like I've

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Speaker 5: you know, the first prime is you know, being in

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Speaker 5: Jacksonville for twelve years, you know, got all the receiving records.

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Speaker 5: There was able to do my thing when I you know,

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Speaker 5: when I had the opportunity, and then now, you know,

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Speaker 5: just being able to adapt and adjust to just age

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Speaker 5: right like time waste for nobody.

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Speaker 4: I'm just grateful that.

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Speaker 5: You know, my skill set is something that it's still

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Speaker 5: valuable in this lead now and I've been able to

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Speaker 5: kind of transform myself in my mind into being what

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Speaker 5: I am now, you know, blocking at the point of contact,

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Speaker 5: being able to dominate guys in that way, whether it's

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed doing it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well you probably had also go through because

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Speaker 2: I've gone through this with the tight ends, because you

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Speaker 2: a lot of you tight ends think but oh I

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Speaker 2: never lose a step, I never slow down.

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Speaker 3: Why aren't they thrown at me?

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Speaker 2: Did you have to, like at one point, I have

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Speaker 2: a talk with yourself saying all right, Sadis I'm not

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Speaker 3: I have to adjust the game if I want to

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Speaker 4: Had was that conversation good question?

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Speaker 5: I feel like it was something that happened over the

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Speaker 5: more so like all right, I'm getting older. I'm conscious

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Speaker 5: like you want to do more and want to have

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Speaker 5: watch the film, like I don't know if I.

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Speaker 4: Could have made that play, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So I think it was just a light conversation over

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Speaker 4: It's just going to have to be in a different way.

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Speaker 5: And I knew that, like if I could kind of transmute,

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Speaker 2: The other thing here about Mercedes again, he and I've

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Speaker 2: known each other for a decade and a half, trained

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Speaker 2: player to reach out when I first did my mental

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Speaker 2: health check ins before my book in Breakable came out.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to wait for the book to come

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Speaker 3: So I started coming out with mental health check ins.

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Speaker 2: Is a lot of you know, the Mercedes were the

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Speaker 2: first player said, Oh damn, man, I I knew you're crazy,

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Speaker 3: And I'm here for you.

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Speaker 2: Man. I got you and it really got us to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean it was, uh, you know how

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Speaker 5: it is, man like, whether it's friendships, relationships, you know, family,

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Speaker 5: They're going to be times where you are quote and

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Speaker 5: know you don't keep in contact as much as you too,

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Speaker 5: but you're still connected in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 4: Through the universe.

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Speaker 5: And that's how you know, we've been this whole entire time,

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Speaker 5: And that's how I've always viewed our relationship. And you know,

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Speaker 5: obviously when you posted that, I was like, man, like

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Speaker 4: Position they need it most, right.

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Speaker 5: And you know when you when you put when you

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm happy that I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: You know that's the thing when you have, you know,

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Speaker 2: the worst mask you put on.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the.

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Speaker 2: Whole Hey, Grazes, glaze is crazy and in football fighting

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Speaker 2: crazy as a badge of honor. Right, It's just you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely, And I feel like, you know, in

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Speaker 5: They understand you. And I feel like, you know, we

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like you know me, you know my family,

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Speaker 5: I know you, I know your family. You shared a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean it's it's a beautiful thing what

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Speaker 4: you're doing. You know. I'm just I'm honored to be

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: I want people to understand it.

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Speaker 2: Like there are a lot of people who are afraid

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Speaker 2: push their friends away. This reconnected Mercedes and Eye. So

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Speaker 2: This will make you closer together with you know who,

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Speaker 2: I have really kind of gotten into this a lot more,

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Speaker 5: That's a great question. I think just with experience, right,

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Speaker 5: I've been able to become a leader in a way

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Speaker 4: Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 5: Then let's keep and let's keep going, right versus you know,

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Speaker 5: worried about like your job and trying to do your

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Speaker 5: because of that, I can kind of like be a

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Speaker 5: And so if we're talking about on the field one

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Speaker 5: it's kind of weird, right, Like we're all grown, you know,

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Speaker 5: we all have our own issues. We're all you know,

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Speaker 5: in football, it's not like it's basketball where it's like

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Speaker 5: But because I've seen it lot and been around a lot,

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Speaker 5: make sure that I'm always open to my guys. Right,

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Speaker 5: Age, what goes through your end first of us, it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's like, but yeah, fighters, you get you know,

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Speaker 2: And uh, hey, you're doing okay, I want them to

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Speaker 5: that I know and I know they genuinely care about me,

439
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Speaker 5: It's going to mean more to me.

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Speaker 4: And so I chose the Bears.

441
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Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, I'm able to bring some

442
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,199
Speaker 5: value to that building that they didn't have before I

443
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Speaker 5: got there. And whether it's just doing what I do

444
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 5: on the field, but you know how my energy and

445
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Speaker 5: my presence and what that does to a building, So

446
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 5: you know, it's being grace so far. And yeah, I'm

447
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 5: just looking forward to having a healthy and successful people.

448
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Speaker 5: What are your initial thoughts of Justin Fields an athlete.

449
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Speaker 5: He's a unique athlete. I feel like he's one of

450
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Speaker 5: those that like con change the game, but he's one

451
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Speaker 5: of those guys that you know, he wants to win,

452
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 5: he wants to learn.

453
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Speaker 4: He's the grinder.

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Speaker 5: Like today, you know, we both pull up to the

455
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 5: building and I see him when we get we get

456
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 5: to the locker room, he's putting his police So I'm like,

457
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 5: what's you about to go do? And you know me,

458
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 5: I'm I'm about to go get you know, my massage.

459
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 5: I'm probably gonna go run, take care of my body.

460
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 5: He's going outside to throw. That's the kind of attitude.

461
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 5: If you want to be great, that's what it's gonna take.

462
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Speaker 5: And I think he's gone that path and you know

463
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 5: it's time for him to take a step and I

464
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Speaker 5: think he will.

465
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Speaker 2: Podcast is called Hunbreakable. Give me an unbreakable moment in

466
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Speaker 2: your life. There'd be any point in your life, your career,

467
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, that thing that should have broken you

468
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Speaker 2: but did. As a result, you came through the other

469
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Speaker 2: side of that tunnel stronger than forever.

470
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Speaker 5: My unbreakable moment would have to be after my twelfth

471
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 5: year in Jacksonville, coming off a solid year for me,

472
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 5: I had one more year on my deal. I woke

473
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 5: up after the season to me being released by Jacksonville

474
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 5: on ESPN, and you got to understand where I'm coming from.

475
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 5: Jacksonville drafted me first round two thousand and six. Grateful

476
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Speaker 5: that gave me an opportunity to live out my dream.

477
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 5: I was really big in the community. I always showed

478
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 5: up to work like a man, never held to you know,

479
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 5: put the organization in a bad light, always helped him

480
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Speaker 5: the high regard, and I felt like in that moment,

481
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 5: I deserved at least a phone call before it happened,

482
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 5: or at least a text message before it happened. I

483
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 5: woke up to him miscalls from my agent and like

484
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 5: you can imagine, like I'm just like what Bus never

485
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 5: caused me like this, Like what's going on? So even

486
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 5: before I even text Bus back, I turned on the

487
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 5: TV because I got this weird feeling of my guy

488
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: and it was like going across the picture like yeah, Jacksonville.

489
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Speaker 4: Jaguars say loud. We hadn't had a talk.

490
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Speaker 5: And after that situation, I'm at home trying to figure out,

491
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 5: like I'm in shock, right, Like I remember like that

492
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 5: day not leaving the house, like that was the first

493
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 5: time that I'd ever experienced that side of the business

494
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Speaker 5: and it happening to me. And so there was a

495
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 5: lot of thoughts that went to my mind, like Saul,

496
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 5: I retire, do I still want to do this? Just

497
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 5: going back and forth with myself, And I remember I

498
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 5: called my mom and my mom was like, well, how

499
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 5: do you feel? I stuff, I feel good. She said, well,

500
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Speaker 5: do you feel like you still have it in you

501
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Speaker 5: to be able to help a team win?

502
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Speaker 4: I say yeah.

503
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Speaker 5: She's like, well what are you even thinking about retiring for?

504
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 5: Like why this is? This is your dream? Like still

505
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 5: you can still get after it. And I think in

506
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 5: that moment after that conversation, it kind of gave me

507
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 5: like a boost to be like, you know what, I'm

508
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 5: gonna go prove that I can still do it. And

509
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 5: here I am now and year eighteen six years later,

510
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 5: I mean it's definitely been a blessing. It was definitely

511
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: two doors you know at that time that I that

512
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 5: I could have taken. I'm glad that I take this one.

513
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 5: So now here I am with the record for most

514
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 5: seasons for a tight end and NFL history, and for

515
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Speaker 5: a guy that was born in the inner city in

516
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 5: Lone Beast, California, when I couldn't even see this far,

517
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Speaker 5: I just wanted to be the best in my hood

518
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Speaker 5: at that time.

519
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Speaker 4: To be in this moment right now, it's there's been

520
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Speaker 4: a blessing for me. Brother.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. You've been a blessing for me a man,

522
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Speaker 2: especially with your reach out that day. So glad we reconnected.

523
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: The only thing I'm not glad we reconnected about is, hey, folks,

524
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: you'll have a friend that does this right where you

525
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: go out to dinner and then the bill comes out's

526
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: like five hundred bucks. He's like, oh, I forgot my wallet.

527
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 2: You'll ever feard like that right out there? How to

528
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: put you out there? I just caught my wallet here

529
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: at soho else? Oh gee, I only have nine pockets.

530
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I got it. Next time and there has

531
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Speaker 2: been due next time.

532
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Speaker 4: I got you next

533
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Speaker 3: I ever said, is that of your brother.