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Speaker 1: Here we go Wednesday. That's today it is. We're in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: the temperatures mid sixties. Honestly, I had to get talked

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Speaker 1: out of wearing a tank top on the show today.

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Speaker 1: It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you

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Speaker 1: may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your

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Speaker 1: day and listen. I got a lot of opinions on

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Speaker 1: Katie's burner account. It just hasn't been verified yet. When

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Speaker 1: it gets verified, I got all sorts of opinions. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in our space, the talk show space,

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Speaker 1: they don't like to get called out. That's why I've

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Speaker 1: always respected guys who don't play it safe, who have

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Speaker 1: big opinions. They don't care what you think. They don't

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Speaker 1: care about the pushback. They The bottom line is, you

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Speaker 1: can't worry about the critics, you can't worry about fans.

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Speaker 1: Do your prep. Let it rip, it lands where it lands.

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Speaker 1: And I saw this this morning. Caleb Williams. According to

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com, they looked at all the numbers, is

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Speaker 1: the NFC norths best quarterback? And my take was, no,

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Speaker 1: we're getting into a discussion if you count everything that

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams may very quickly be the best quarterback. You've

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Speaker 1: got to count everything with a quarterback, including the cost,

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Speaker 1: not including what a quarterback costs. There's a reason the

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Speaker 1: Bills have no Pro bowlers on defense and the and

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Speaker 1: the Bears have a stacked roster. It's because Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: cost ten million a year. It's a three and a

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Speaker 1: half percent cap hit. Lamar Jackson's going to be a

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent cap hit if you count mobility and

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Speaker 1: health and all and lack of turnovers this year he

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Speaker 1: corrected negative plays. It's Caleb Williams. I don't care about resume.

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Speaker 1: I'm not into past celebrations or pass failures. I'm into

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Speaker 1: projecting twenty twenty six Labor Day weekend. Is Caleb the

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Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league, because discussing quarterbacks without also

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the cost is like doing your family budget when

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Speaker 1: you sit down with your wife and not counting the

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Speaker 1: maserati you bought last year without asking her. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: going to kind of screw up the budget. Not going

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Speaker 1: to have a nanny this year, not going to be

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Speaker 1: going to the movies much, forget second vacation, can't afford one.

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Speaker 1: I looked up the stats this morning. Only one quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the league had more big time throws twenty plus

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Speaker 1: throws than Caleb Williams. It wasn't Josh Allen Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't Lamar Jackson. Caleb Williams has the lowest interception

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Speaker 1: rate since he entered the league, better than Mahomes, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: fastest quarterback on clock, better than Lamar, faster than Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen and oh by the way, he also had the

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Speaker 1: longest completion in the league last year. So if you

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Speaker 1: count everything and you have to count cost, there is

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Speaker 1: a reason Drake may Bow, Nicks, Caleb Williams have really

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Speaker 1: good rosters and the Buffalo Bills don't have a pro bowler,

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Speaker 1: if you're counting everything I said when he came into

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Speaker 1: much horsepower that you're in awe of watching him as

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Speaker 1: he never gets hurt. And he doesn't throw interceptions. That's

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Speaker 1: just the little stuff on the edges. Now he throws

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Speaker 1: All things in the best quarterback in the league. You

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Speaker 3: Become the greatest offense this year. That's that's really on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's crazy. You know, we when

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Speaker 1: you too bad. We can't afford to go get Max Crosby.

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Speaker 1: You know who can the Bears Denver. Now they're out

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that's hyperbolic. I think the kids

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it. So I saw this. I'm working

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Speaker 1: Hollywood projects. And the difference is our show is great

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Speaker 1: go home, it's done. Hollywood's very glacial, and because of that,

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Speaker 1: me contemplate what the motivation is for this character. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, let's go got a life to lead,

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Speaker 1: cha cha. So I see this story with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: and Aeron's always been the most Hollywood of the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: a story this morning, former general manager urges the Steelers

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Speaker 1: You know, when Aaron first exploded onto the scene, he

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Speaker 1: that's how I kind of look at Aaron. Aaron's casual

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Speaker 1: nature was much cooler when he was much better, and

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good year. But I'm

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Speaker 1: i'm I'm thinking about Mike McCarthy's building his staff. Free

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Speaker 1: agency starts in three weeks. It's like, Aaron, you're forty

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Speaker 1: you like it here? What do we got to pay you?

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Speaker 1: That stuff's harder at and maybe it's harder at eighty,

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Speaker 1: you got you know, Albert Breer on Monday on the

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Speaker 1: I would go get Malie Willis. And it's nothing against Aaron,

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Speaker 1: who I defend it all year. But it's like, bro,

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Speaker 1: this whole Hollywood casual indifferent thing. I mean, Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: and I think that's much easier when you're in your prime.

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Speaker 1: Here's Albert Breer on if the Steelers should wait for

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Speaker 5: I don't think they like him to the level where

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Speaker 5: it's like, we're not going to do anything else.

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Speaker 5: And then if you are going to wait for him,

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Speaker 5: the problem is than all that quarterback movement that happens

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Speaker 5: I don't think Art Rooney wants to be bad this year.

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Speaker 5: think bringing in Mike McCarthy as the head coach tells you,

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Speaker 5: through the full rebuild all at once. Go be bad

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Speaker 5: for a couple of years in draft a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I when I read this story, I think to myself,

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Speaker 1: the whole casualness is it works for actors, It works

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out the draft. I got free agency

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at film. I'm trying to figure out my roster,

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Speaker 1: and the most important position is I'll get back to you.

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Speaker 1: Bring your wife. Maybe I'm married, maybe I'm not. Wait

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Speaker 1: what huh, it's just to me. It's like I need answers,

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Speaker 1: bro like fast. I'm building a business here, j Mac.

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Speaker 1: There are some Laker stuff percolating. I also want you

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Speaker 1: to work on that KD. Burner story.

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Speaker 6: Callery is firing on all cylinders today. It's almost like

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Speaker 6: he's excited about something.

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Speaker 1: Is it the return of the NBA tomorrow. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: my vacation, Oh, vacation.

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Speaker 6: That's what I thought. It was Michigan Duke on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: You got to set an alarm in your phone for

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Speaker 6: that one.

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Speaker 1: Well, Michigan's a giant team, so if you don't have length,

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Speaker 1: you're in big trouble against the Wolverines.

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Speaker 6: It's a great game. Yeah, So listen, you want the KD.

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Speaker 6: Burner stuff, I'm on it, boss, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: Well there is. There's been stories about somebody found Kd's

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Speaker 1: burner and he takes a shot at teammates, and he's

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Speaker 1: taking it shots at guys he plays with. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's true or not, but people are

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Speaker 1: acting surprised. And my take is, guys, we always said

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Speaker 1: this about KD. Great player, not a great leader. You

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Speaker 1: don't build a round kit. You build around Steph, Magic Bird, Lebron,

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Speaker 1: Kobe Duncan. There are players you build around, and then

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Speaker 1: there's just players that are really talented leaders. Steph Curry,

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Speaker 1: you would never hear this story with Steph Curry on

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Speaker 1: the burner. You would never hear that story with Lebron

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Speaker 1: I never forget this.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching a documentary right now. It is fantastic. I'm

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Speaker 1: It's the story of the ABA. And the ABA was

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Speaker 1: I'm reading a story this morning on Magic. Johnson was

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Speaker 1: It wasn't because the Lakers had the best front office,

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Speaker 1: hide in la O. Tani was offered a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: He stayed in La to a better baseball team. You

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Speaker 1: It really makes me think of David Stern and Adam Silver.

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver is getting criticized during All Star weekend. The

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Speaker 1: It saved your league. It legitimized the ABA. When your

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Speaker 1: a winter league, the one place that historically keeps landing stars.

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson's a prime example. Magic figured it out. He's like,

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Speaker 1: this is a celebrity town. It's a celebrity league. You're

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Speaker 1: Why the league's like, you're not big enough. So the

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Speaker 1: figured it out. He recruited Lebron. There were seven teams

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Speaker 1: In the story he's saying, you can be a billionaire here.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to be a billionaire in Acron unless

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. Here. Was Nick right yesterday on

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Speaker 8: I do not believe Lebron James is retiring, and I

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Speaker 8: I think wherever the final chapter is going to be

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Speaker 8: had Lebron James on your roster, who Luca modeled his

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Speaker 1: You need to have around Luke at Ancic.

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Speaker 8: And they trade for Luke at Ancic and we're more

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think Lebron doesn't end his career

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Speaker 1: of course he wants to come back. That's why Stafford's here,

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Speaker 1: So we said a lot of it. There's a story

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Speaker 1: He's not a leader. He's just a great talent, and

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Speaker 4: I'm just here to focus on the season.

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Speaker 1: Keep it pushing off.

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Speaker 6: But I know I.

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Speaker 4: Gets you have to answer those Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I does it bother me? Yeah? I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's great to bag on your teammates. But I also

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Speaker 1: I've always said I would love to have KD on

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Speaker 1: the football host daily radio show in Houston, Kd's a

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Speaker 1: rocket obviously. So how have you guys handled this story?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, you know, we had a little about

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Speaker 9: I thought, I don't know if I buy into this,

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Speaker 9: And then you start thinking about group text exchanges and

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Speaker 9: a chance he could have done it?

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Speaker 9: You talk about is he'll tell you right off the

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Speaker 9: this team is not playing very good basketball currently. I

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Speaker 4: So this is it's bad timing.

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Speaker 9: I don't think it's going to have an impact on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting team. Shen Goon's talented,

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Speaker 1: Katie doesn't want to be a men. Thompson's too young.

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Speaker 1: Jeter felt like a Yankee, you know, even when he left.

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Speaker 1: Ken Griffy felt like a Mariner even though he left.

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Speaker 1: It's like people think he likes us more. How is

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Speaker 1: kad How is he viewed in Houston, a very good

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Speaker 1: basketball city with very passionate fans. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Still, you know, it's still honeymoon phase. So this kind

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Speaker 9: of story a year removed. Maybe if he had played

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Speaker 9: poorly in the playoffs, it could impact it differently. Right now,

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Speaker 9: I think it's just weighing on everyone just a little

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Speaker 9: bit and they're kind of curious to see where this goes.

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Speaker 9: But everyone's handling it okay for right now. But let's

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Speaker 9: see what happens when in the win and lost Colum,

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Speaker 9: because you know, just like I do, the real mess

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Speaker 9: starts when you start to underperform and you don't win

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Speaker 9: and clutch situations, that's when it really happens. Katie has

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Speaker 9: been a great addition, maybe hasn't won as many games

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Speaker 9: down the stretches as Rocket fans that hope with some

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Speaker 9: of the that just goes to you know, they're still

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Speaker 9: figuring out him versus Shingngoon who needs the ball in

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Speaker 9: their hands. And you know, he's not a demanding player.

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Speaker 9: We talk about the leadership thing. He's not an Alpha

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Speaker 9: give me the ball, give me the ball type guy,

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Speaker 9: and so sometimes he's not going to get the ball

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Speaker 9: maybe when he wants the ball because he's done demanded.

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Speaker 1: Land Zerline, NFL dot com draft analyst, doing it for

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Speaker 1: a long time, covering the league for twenty four years.

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Speaker 1: So let's just get to the quarterback and the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Mendoza is a clear number one pick, Ty Simpson, you

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Speaker 1: have late first round, which I said yesterday, there are

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Speaker 1: certain things men will spend on and reach on, regardless cars,

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Speaker 1: another driver in their golf bag, and quarterbacks. Somebody's going

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Speaker 1: to reach for Ty Simpson. Let's start with him. I

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Speaker 1: think he feels a little bit like a less mobile

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. He's talented, he faced sec defenses, he had

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Speaker 1: some good receivers, he didn't have a ton of a

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Speaker 1: run support behind him. I think he's probably with the

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Speaker 1: right coach, a franchise quarterback. How how do you view

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Speaker 1: Ty Simpson, Let's say, compared to a Jackson Dart, is

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Speaker 1: he as good a prospect as the Giants rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: this year?

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Speaker 9: I have a higher grade on Jackson Dart, but I

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Speaker 9: can tell you know, based on the way I saw

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Speaker 9: Jackson Dart play, I would put Jackson Dart over Ty Simpson.

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Speaker 9: I think Jackson Dart has a level of confidence that

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Speaker 9: you have to have. It's kind of rare for a

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Speaker 9: rookie in New York to be unfazed by that market.

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Speaker 9: And I liked a lot of what I saw from

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Speaker 9: Jackson Dart from a mobility standpoint, from a confidence standpoint,

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Speaker 9: he looked like a guy who belongs. And I feel

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Speaker 9: like I was way off on his evaluation. I think

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Speaker 9: he's going to be much much better. Ty Simpson, you

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Speaker 9: know the mistakes he makes, Colin, he does a lot

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Speaker 9: of things that are synonymous with first year quarterbacks, first

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Speaker 9: year starters. And he's twenty three years old, but he

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Speaker 9: started one season, so you know, a little bit lazy

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Speaker 9: with the eye discipline, that the feet get a little

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Speaker 9: jittery when the pocket starts to heat up. Sometimes he

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Speaker 9: doesn't know when to get rid of the football at times.

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Speaker 9: He trailed off the second half of the season. Maybe

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Speaker 9: team's got a book on him that's synonymous with quarterbacks

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Speaker 9: who've been doing it for one year. So I still

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Speaker 9: think there's a lot of growth. I see a lot

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Speaker 9: of things I like. I do think it may feel

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Speaker 9: lazy because it's Alabama Alabama, but I think from a

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Speaker 9: skill skill set, standpoint, there's a lot of similarities to

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Speaker 9: mac Jones coming out, and I had a second round

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Speaker 9: grade on Mac Jones and my grade on my greade

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Speaker 9: on Ty Simpsons is going to be two three. But

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Speaker 9: I do think he has a chance to be a

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Speaker 9: legitimate starter and a good starter in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It just really depends on He's going.

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Speaker 9: To be very dependent upon where he goes and the

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Speaker 9: type of tutelage he gets in that red shirt year.

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Speaker 9: And I think having a red shirt year is really important.

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Speaker 9: That's why I think, you know, a chance to play

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Speaker 9: with the Rams would probably be optimal for Ty Simpsons.

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Speaker 1: So Mendoza, give me the red flag. We picked these

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Speaker 1: guys apart. Give me the red flag on Mendoza. And

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Speaker 1: what worries you the most? Because we know he's big,

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Speaker 1: and he's got a decent arm, and he's a great kid,

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Speaker 1: and he's humbling, gracious, and he won big games. I

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Speaker 1: thought he got much better beginning to end of the year.

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Speaker 1: What's the red flag on him?

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Speaker 9: Red flag is going to be pocket mobility. The red

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Speaker 9: flag is going to be and this is my biggest concern.

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Speaker 9: I think he throws the ball from a from an

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Speaker 9: accuracy standpoint a baseline accuracy, like Joe Burrow did when

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Speaker 9: he was coming out. It's just it's really impressive. His

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Speaker 9: ability to hit receivers in stride and throw the ball

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Speaker 9: right to your hands every single time. He's unfazed by

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Speaker 9: a lot of what he sees. I think he gets

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Speaker 9: he attacks the intermediate pockets and zones. But my big

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Speaker 9: concern Colin is that if you don't protect him properly,

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Speaker 9: Joe Burrow could slide around in a pocket, get outside

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Speaker 9: of the problem and make some things happen.

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Speaker 4: That's not Fernando Mendoza. I know he's tough.

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Speaker 9: We all saw the touchdown run in the National Championship game.

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Speaker 9: But when the pocket heat gets you know, when it

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Speaker 9: actually leaks inside the pocket, he's pretty much cooked.

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Speaker 4: And he's not real pocket mobile.

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Speaker 9: In terms of sliding around, climbing sliding, which Ty Sampson

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Speaker 9: ironically is really good at that, Fernando's not great at it.

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Speaker 4: So I think he has to be protected.

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Speaker 9: At an above actge level and has to have a

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Speaker 9: running game to kind of neutralize, you know, defenses a

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Speaker 9: little bit. I think everything about that you mentioned about

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Speaker 9: Fernando Mendoza is dead on, But if you want to

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Speaker 9: look for a red flag, it's the fact that pressure

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Speaker 9: can maybe unduly take him out of his potential faster

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Speaker 9: than some of the other top quarterbacks we've seen over

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Speaker 9: the last few years.

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Speaker 1: If I said to you, can't miss athlete, and I

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Speaker 1: think there's a couple in this draft. If I just

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Speaker 1: said too talented to miss, give me two guys that

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Speaker 1: you just think can't miss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mansur Delaane, cornerback at LSU.

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Speaker 9: I've got him as my highest rated cornerback since Patrick Certan,

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Speaker 9: who I gave a seven to zero grade to Mansur,

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Speaker 9: I've got a six to eight, which basically means he's

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Speaker 9: on the high end of Pro Bowl to all all

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Speaker 9: pro caliber type player from LSU. If you haven't seen him,

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Speaker 9: he's very fast, he's very sticky, great feet, just a

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Speaker 9: smothering presence from from a man cover standpoint out of

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Speaker 9: press and I think think he is going to be

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Speaker 9: a fantastic cornerback and one that really gets drafted a

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Speaker 9: lot higher than some people are projecting him right now.

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Speaker 9: And then you know, I guess I'll go to my

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Speaker 9: top pick in the draft. My number one prospect is

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Speaker 9: Arville Reese. You know, Rville Reese. The one problem I

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Speaker 9: have is we have seen guys with the elite traits

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Speaker 9: lead explosiveness not pan out, especially when they're hybrid players,

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Speaker 9: because you got to pick a lane and see, you know,

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Speaker 9: see what you've become. But for Reese, he's been coached

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Speaker 9: by James Lorenidas, he's been coached by Matt Patricia, so

559
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Speaker 9: he has pro tutelage. Then you look at rare height, length, explosiveness.

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Speaker 9: He can come off the edge. I think he's a

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Speaker 9: very good linebacker. Too many people to me are just

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Speaker 9: pushing him to the edge and saying he's an edge.

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Speaker 9: He's not a linebacker. I mean, I don't know. I

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Speaker 9: think he could be a linebacker that just is a

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Speaker 9: really is a real demon and a werewolf as a

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Speaker 9: pass rusher on rush down scenario. So I think arvel

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Speaker 9: Reese's explosiveness, his toughness, he's got a little chip on

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Speaker 9: his shoulder. I think he's kind of I think that's

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Speaker 9: can't miss traits and can't miss at the athleticism.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I think about every other year it

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Speaker 1: feels like there is a running back that just feels

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Speaker 1: plug and play in the NFL and he's very good.

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Speaker 1: I thought Jean Robinson, Ladenian, Tomlinson, Ezekiel Elliott, Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: Ashton Genty I wasn't quite sure about. It was a

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Speaker 1: weak draft. But I do feel like Jeremiah Love explosiveness,

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Speaker 1: kind of core strength, strong. It just looks like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he will play as a rookie and be productive. Where

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Speaker 1: do you over the last five or six years? Is

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Speaker 1: he in that elite Bjeon Robinson group?

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Speaker 4: I think he is.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, based on my grade, I don't have as highs

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Speaker 9: Bijon and I had Ashton Gents higher. But you know

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Speaker 9: what I mean, Jeremiah Love to me, he's not even

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Speaker 9: the most natural running back on his team. I think

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Speaker 9: it's Jendarium Price has better vision, is more natural, but.

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Speaker 4: Jendarian a bit but rather but Jeremiah Love.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this guy has unbelievable speed and blowsiveness. He

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Speaker 9: runs with an urgency that at times is a little

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Speaker 9: too hot because he doesn't let the you know, the

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Speaker 9: run blocking develop. But when he hits that hole, I mean,

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Speaker 9: forget about it. He's got a great spin move, leaves

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Speaker 9: his feet too much. He tries to jump over everyone.

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Speaker 9: But I think that's his mindset. This desire to jump

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Speaker 9: over everything and just attack everything is what you love

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Speaker 9: about him, and it's what makes him such an explosive

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Speaker 9: home run hitter when the ball is in his hands.

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Speaker 9: And I'll tell you what makes him special third down talent.

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Speaker 9: He is really good at picking up blitz this and

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Speaker 9: they line him up out in the slot. They'll run

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Speaker 9: him out in the slot and he runs real routes.

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Speaker 9: So now we have somebody who can hit you home runs,

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Speaker 9: you know, from the backfield, who can mismatch people out

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Speaker 9: on the slot linebackers, so you can't put a linebacker

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Speaker 9: on him. He is a three down home run hitter

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Speaker 9: with the ability to, you know, give you an unbelievable

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Speaker 9: output relative to where you draft him. And that's not

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Speaker 9: something you can say with all running backs. That's why

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Speaker 9: you know, the analytics doesn't love running backs early. But

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Speaker 9: the output he's going to give you from day one

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Speaker 9: is going to be pretty special.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to end it here, lan ZERLINNFL dot Com.

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Speaker 1: So listen, we've seen Dak drafted in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: rock Purty in the seventh, So let's take Simpson Mendoza out.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of quarterbacks, Lance nuss Meyer LSU,

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Speaker 1: Caid club Nick at Clemson, Drew Aller at Penn State.

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Speaker 1: We came into the league where like these are lottery picks,

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Speaker 1: and it's funny. I watched Kaid club Nick. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a decent ball, he moves pretty well,

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Speaker 1: and now it's just he's off the radar. Then there's

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Speaker 1: the Vanderbilt kid. I am out on small quarterbacks. I

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Speaker 1: don't I what I'm hearing is if I said to

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Speaker 1: you there's a fourth round quarterback in this draft with

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Speaker 1: a shot to shock people? Does this draft have one?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to throw somebody out there that

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Speaker 4: you mentioned that.

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Speaker 9: I actually thought the tape was a little bit better

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Speaker 9: than my expectations.

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Speaker 4: And that's Kid club Nick. And that's this is this

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Speaker 4: is all relative.

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Speaker 1: Because I watched MS I liked him.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, he has better arm talent than

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Speaker 9: I was led to believe.

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Speaker 4: He's he is mobile.

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Speaker 9: I think that he had a situation where it was

635
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Speaker 9: just it was a bad situation, too many bad drops,

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Speaker 9: The coverage got a little rather, the protection got a

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Speaker 9: little leaky for him. I think klub Nick, with the

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Speaker 9: right offense, a ball control play action based offense. I

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Speaker 9: think he's got a chance, more so than Carson Beck,

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Speaker 9: who has you know, better traits. But I think he's

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Speaker 9: going to make too many mistakes. Aler to me might

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Speaker 9: be a lost cause. And then you know, Diego Pavia

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Speaker 9: is too small. The last guy to start an NFL

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Speaker 9: game under five foot ten, if you don't count Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 9: if we assume he is actually five foot ten, was

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Speaker 9: Eddie LeBaron in nineteen sixty three. Pavio measured in at

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Speaker 9: under five foot ten at the Senior Bowl, but his

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Speaker 9: tape is number two behind Mendozs. I mean, from a

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Speaker 9: tape standpoint, he's ahead of Ty Simpson, He's ahead of

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Speaker 9: these other guys. But it's just, you know, the size

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Speaker 9: is tough. He sails some balls because he has to

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Speaker 9: throw a trajectory to get it over you know, over

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Speaker 9: the pocket, over the offensive line, and just historically it.

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Speaker 4: Just doesn't work out.

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Speaker 9: And then you also have to ask yourself, does he

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Speaker 9: have the personality to be a second set of eyes,

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Speaker 9: to be deferential to whoever the starter is. Can he

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Speaker 9: take his hyper competitive behavior and really rein it in

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Speaker 9: as a backup.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he can do that. He had

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Speaker 4: good take though, but club Nick, if you ask me,

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Speaker 4: who is the guy?

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Speaker 9: I think Club Nick maybe would have that chance in

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Speaker 9: the middle rounds.

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Speaker 1: All right, Lance serline, good stuff is always Lance And well,

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Speaker 1: we'll check back a couple of times before the draft.