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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show everything.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everybody, it is Tuesday. We have a bread

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Speaker 2: show for everyone today. What are we apping?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot to get into this morning.

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Speaker 1: Bb Netanya who's speaking out taking questions really from the

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Speaker 1: first time extensively since October seventh, So some pretty noteworthy

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Speaker 1: comments there will bring you all of that. This comes

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Speaker 1: as an internal government document from an Israeli ministry was

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Speaker 1: to do after this GASA offensive is finished. So we'll

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Speaker 1: break all of that down for you. We'll also have

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Speaker 1: new revelations about how AID may roll out. Republicans sort

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Speaker 1: of making their opening bid, wanting to tie support for

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Speaker 1: Israel together with cutting money from the IRS from the

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that and it's process. I actually genuinely

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Speaker 1: of that, debate all of that. We also have some

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Speaker 1: new US government state sponsored censorship efforts that we want

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Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine. New pull out of IO with some

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Speaker 1: very good news for Donald Trump, good news for Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: actually very bad news for viag Ramaswami and Ron De

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Speaker 1: Santis confronted over the conspiracy which has swept the Internet

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Speaker 1: of which I am a true believer, which is that

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Speaker 1: he is wearing secret heels within those really weird and

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Speaker 2: I will hold my commentary.

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Speaker 1: I have a full analysis an investigation for you in

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Speaker 1: that block. We also are very honored to have the

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Speaker 1: brother of one of the Israeli citizens who is thought

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Speaker 1: to have been taken hostage by Hamas. He is joining

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Speaker 1: us in study. We actually just recorded the interview. I

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Speaker 1: listen to what this man has to say about how

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Speaker 1: he wants the hostages to remain front and center, and

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Speaker 1: also about how he continues to hold on to hope

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Speaker 1: for peace, which is just, you know, an extraordinary testament

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Speaker 1: to his human spirit. So I really hope you guys

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Speaker 1: important as we cover these big picture geopolitical machinations to

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Speaker 1: remember the innocent human beings that are caught in the

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Speaker 1: middle of this and are suffering so greatly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a real reminder for that for both

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Speaker 2: of us. You know, probably why we're in a somber

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Speaker 2: watch it. He talks about his sister, he talks about

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Speaker 2: the all of it. So anyway, let's start with Benjamin Netzenya,

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Speaker 2: who finally facing some questions from the Western press. We've

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Speaker 2: most important. The first was about asking him about calls

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Speaker 2: for ceasefire. Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: I want to make clear Israel's position regarding the ceasefire,

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Speaker 3: just as the United States would not agree to a

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Speaker 3: cease fire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or after

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Speaker 3: the terrorist attack of ninety eleven. Israel will not agree

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Speaker 3: to a cessation of facilities with Ramas after the horrific

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Speaker 3: attacks of October seventh. Calls for a ceasefire are calls

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Speaker 3: for Israel to surrender to Hamas, to surrender to terrorism,

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Speaker 3: to surrender to barbarism. That will not happen, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: The Bible says that there is a time for peace

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Speaker 3: and a time for war. This is a time for war,

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Speaker 3: a war for our common future. Today we draw a

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Speaker 3: It is a time for everyone to decide where they stand.

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Speaker 3: Israel will stand against the forces of barbarism until victory.

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Speaker 3: I hope and pray that civilized nations everywhere will back

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Speaker 3: But make no mistake, regardless of who stands with Israel,

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to be said there.

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Speaker 2: I would say that this is why with Neta Yahu

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Speaker 2: we talk about Pearl Harbor nine to eleven, why don't

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Speaker 4: This is purely activating for all of them.

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Speaker 2: Integrating the Bible, you know, into that discussion, a nod

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I noted is they've long

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Speaker 1: And Sagara is actually curious of what you make of

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Speaker 5: I don't think the analogy.

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Speaker 2: Quite holds well, and that's where the difficulty of it

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Speaker 2: they're not exactly looked upon the most kindly, even though

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Speaker 2: The Nazi regime, you know, the Nazi Colossus, at least

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: All of these things, as you said, come back to

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Speaker 2: you can read into it whichever one you want. You

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Speaker 2: even just beat what I said, they would say that

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Speaker 2: the fire bombing of Tokyo wasn't necessary, that the only

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Speaker 2: A lot of there's a lot of alternative historians. It

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Speaker 5: Is it analysis of a lot of historians.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really entirely sure where I fall on that.

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Speaker 2: I think some of it is hindsight and all of that,

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Speaker 2: but we're not in hindsight right now. We're in today,

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Speaker 2: way we conduct ourselves. In general, the world came together

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Speaker 2: and let's outlaw it for all time. Of course, there's

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Speaker 2: So to me, it was a change in that. This

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Speaker 6: What he said.

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Speaker 7: People can't understand why so many have people civilians have

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Speaker 7: putting them up as human shields. He's had a good

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Speaker 7: enough excuse. Are you inflicting here collective punishment on the

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Speaker 3: Not assume civilian has to die. Tramas merely has to

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Speaker 3: in southeastern Gaza Strip. There's a safe zone there. Not

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Speaker 3: So I think that you should direct your questions to Hamas.

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Speaker 4: So he says that there's a safe zone there in

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is where it's a little bit difficult

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a blatant lie. They told people

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Speaker 1: the invasion and what that might look like. But you know,

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Speaker 1: has obviously read nine a lot of fears about a

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Speaker 1: It's not like it has been a safe zone, not

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Speaker 1: Is Hamas preventing them from leaving? I don't know, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been displaced internally exactly where it's very difficult

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Speaker 1: But we know for sure many, you know, probably close

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Speaker 1: But you know, if Hamas is trying to prevent them

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Speaker 5: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: There's also this, you know, question of collective punishment, and

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Speaker 1: even if you buy all of the Israeli propaganda, which

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Speaker 1: I don't about, how they're doing everything they can to

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Speaker 1: you look at this just mass, indiscriminate bombing campaign of

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Speaker 1: I think it's very hard to take that seriously. But

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Speaker 1: That is completely morally bankrupt. Of course, the Israeli government,

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Speaker 5: Supposed to be a terrorist organization. They are supposed to.

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Speaker 1: They're holding themselves out as this beacon of the civilized world.

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Speaker 4: Are you going to resign? And he had a very

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Speaker 8: Let's take a listen, sir, it seems that the level

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Speaker 3: The only thing that I intend to have resign is Kamas.

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Speaker 4: That's the only thing I'm going to resign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he is incredibly constrained by his desire

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Speaker 2: is like a center left publication. They publish an editorial

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Speaker 2: just yesterday. Put this up there please on the screen

437
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Speaker 2: that highlights exactly what we're talking about here. They say,

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Speaker 2: this is the headline, Natagna Who's coalition must remove him?

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Speaker 4: Immediately.

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Speaker 2: The message at netanaw who posted on his social media

441
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Speaker 2: accounts in which in the midst of the war he

442
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Speaker 2: blamed those heads of the Defense establishment, necessitates his immediate

443
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Speaker 2: removal as Prime Minister after this post, notwithstanding the fact

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Speaker 2: that he deleted it and apologized weekly. Every Israeli, the

445
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Speaker 2: President of the State and others once and for all,

446
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Speaker 2: they need to continue at his faithful time is to

447
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Speaker 2: gamble with Israel's future. So what they continue to say is,

448
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Speaker 2: you know, this isn't just our analysis. This is quite

449
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Speaker 2: a few people who are inside of the country. However,

450
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Speaker 2: we do want to make sure that people understand. You know,

451
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Speaker 2: people in Israel are not just like kumbay a piece.

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Speaker 2: It's not that they want to hold off on an

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Speaker 2: invasion because they're so concerned about Palestinians or Palestinian lives.

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Speaker 2: They want to hold off an invasion because they want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that their citizens are safe. Understandable sentiment.

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Speaker 2: We just want to be very clear about what they

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Speaker 2: actually think. Let's put this up there please on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is from a poll of the Israel Democracy Institute.

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Speaker 2: So for example, they ask to what extent do you

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Speaker 2: trust each of the following institutions on the government, it

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Speaker 2: is forty eight point seven percent. The vast majority of

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Speaker 2: people not at all, do not trust the government on

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Speaker 2: not so much, it's twenty nine point nine. It's interesting too,

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Speaker 2: you can look at the breakdown between Jews and Arab

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Speaker 2: citizens of Israel in terms of people who actually trust

466
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Speaker 2: the government quite a lot. In Israel, it's thirteen percent

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Speaker 2: and an additional five don't know at three So people

468
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Speaker 2: are very decided on the issue. That's interesting. So that

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Speaker 2: does highlight netsa Nau's problem. But let's go to the

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Speaker 2: next one here. Please, to what extent do you think

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Speaker 2: that Israel should take into consideration the suffering of the

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Speaker 2: civilian Palestinian population in Gaza when planning the next phases

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Speaker 2: of the operation there, not at all. You have forty

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Speaker 2: percent of the general public. However, there's a big breakdown

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Speaker 2: between Jews and Arabs. Forty seven point five percent of

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Speaker 2: Jews say not at all, one point two percent of

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Speaker 2: Arabs on not so much. It's an additional thirty five

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Speaker 2: point nine percent. So the vast majority of Israeli Jews

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Speaker 2: saying they should not take into consideration civilian population of

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian people. But you do have four percent of

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Speaker 2: Arabs who vehemently disagree. Now in terms of the flip,

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Speaker 2: in terms of people who say we should very much

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Speaker 2: take into consideration they're suffering. It's a vast majority of

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Speaker 2: the Arab Israeli population which says that they should. There

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Speaker 2: is a big, big flip there.

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Speaker 1: It's basically a complete reversal. Keep this up on the

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Speaker 1: screen because I want to highlight these other pole questions

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Speaker 1: as well. You can just see very clearly here the

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Speaker 1: sectarian divide between these are Jews and these are Arab Israelis.

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Speaker 1: So these are not you know, people who are living

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Speaker 1: in the West Bank, are living in the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 1: These are Arab Israelis their view of what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And so here you see eighty three percent of Jews

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Speaker 1: saying basically like, don't really care about the civilian Palestinian population,

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Speaker 1: and it's completely reversed for Arabs eighty three percent say

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Speaker 1: I care quite a lot, or I care very much

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Speaker 1: about the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza visa VI this war.

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Speaker 5: Keep this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: The next question here, do you agree or disagree that

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Speaker 1: when undertaking military operations the IDF should ensure it is

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Speaker 1: not breaking international laws and rules of war. So basically like,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about war crimes? And you've got

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Speaker 1: a very large split here as well. In terms of

504
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Speaker 1: Jewish Israelis, you have it split more or less fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty whether they care much about international law or

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Speaker 1: rule of war. With Arabs completely different story. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: about eighty three percent who say, yes, you should be

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Speaker 1: caring about whether you're breaking international law and rules of war.

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Speaker 1: And the last one we wanted to highlight here, which

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Speaker 1: is very relevant both to the next conversation we're about

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Speaker 1: to have and also to our conversation that we had

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Speaker 1: with Gilly Roman, whose sister is in Israeli hostage, and

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Speaker 1: your opinion, should the State of Israel conduct negotiations with

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Speaker 1: Hamas for the release of kidnapped Israelis in return for

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Speaker 1: the release of Hamas prisoners from Israeli prisons. Here there's

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Speaker 1: a real you know, there's a real divide among Jewish Israelis.

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Speaker 1: You have the first first responses, Yes, they should do

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Speaker 1: these negotiations immediately, even if it means halting the fighting.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of take us there with Jews. Overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: that's the position with Arabs at sixty percent. The next

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Speaker 1: response is yes immediately, but don't stop the fighting. That's

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Speaker 1: the place where the plurality of Jewish.

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Speaker 5: Is rallies stand.

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Speaker 1: And I would say, based on our conversation with Gilly,

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Speaker 1: that's what he thinks. Basically, thirty seven percent say continue

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Speaker 1: to negotiate, but also don't stop the fighting. Only six

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Speaker 1: percent of Arabs hold that view. The next position is

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Speaker 1: not right now, only at the end of the fighting.

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Speaker 1: That is a relatively fringe position even among Jewish is

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Speaker 1: rallies at only fifteen percent. And then the just flat

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Speaker 1: out no, don't negotiate at all is actually pretty popular

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Speaker 1: among Jewish is rallies about twenty six percent, So that's

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Speaker 1: the most popular position. So the bulk of the public there,

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Speaker 1: in terms of Jewish Israelis say either negotiate, we keep fighting,

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Speaker 1: or don't negotiate at all, just fight and we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, unfortunately, I think it mostly tracks

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Speaker 2: with US public opinion. Post nine eleven would if you

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Speaker 2: would ask people in the United States, be like, should

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Speaker 2: we care at all about Iraqi civilians? In October of

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Speaker 2: two almost what twenty one years ago to almost to

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Speaker 2: the day. At this time when we were deciding all

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Speaker 2: these things, everyone what ninety some percent would have been like,

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Speaker 2: absolutely not wipe them out. I mean, I'm sure you

545
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Speaker 2: remember too. Course, I grew up in Texas, so I

546
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Speaker 2: heard this one a lot. They're like, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: You know everything I need to know about Islam I

548
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: found out in September eleventh, two thousand and one, like

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Speaker 2: all of these dumb refrains, which you know, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: And I even heard this from Darryl Cooper who was

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Speaker 2: on our podcast. He's like a lot of the guys

552
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Speaker 2: who had heard that from He's like, they ended up,

553
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Speaker 2: you know, going to serve in the military and then

554
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Speaker 2: finding themselves just like either reversed or just really hopeless

555
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Speaker 2: and sad about how the entire situation turned out. So again,

556
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Speaker 2: you know, history certainly does seem to rhyme in this situation.

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Speaker 2: I guess the entire point of this is just to

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Speaker 2: show you that Israel is in a complex place in

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Speaker 2: terms of how it's people feel, in terms of what

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Speaker 2: they want. But I think one thing that they all

561
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Speaker 2: are pretty much united around is they don't trust their

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Speaker 2: government and nets and Yahoo is at the center of

563
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Speaker 2: all of that, and unfortunately, I guess for us is

564
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Speaker 2: he is our number one negotiating partner and or messaging person,

565
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Speaker 2: you know, to the American public around all of this.

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Speaker 2: It's very dangerous, I think, for that country to have

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Speaker 2: him at the helm at this time whenever. He's going

568
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Speaker 2: to be so controversial to so many people inside his

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Speaker 2: own country and so many people inside of ours. Let's

570
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Speaker 2: move on, Ben to some just basic news around the

571
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Speaker 2: actual invasion and one of the preeminent goals for a

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Speaker 2: lot of the Israeli public, which is the return of

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Speaker 2: the hostages. Let's go and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. The IDF said yesterday that a female Israeli

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Speaker 2: soldier who had been kidnapped by Hamas was quote released

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Speaker 2: during IDF ground operations. The IDF is saying that the

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Speaker 2: soldier was medically checked, is doing well and is met

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Speaker 2: with their family. The details of this are a little

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Speaker 2: weird actually, because it appears that she was not being

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Speaker 2: held in a tunnel. She was being held in an

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Speaker 2: area very close to where some of these really military

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Speaker 2: operations were, didn't have a lot of military guard around her.

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Speaker 2: And this isn't just an Israeli a hostage. This is

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Speaker 2: an IDF soldier who was taken captive by Hamas. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it was a screw up or

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Speaker 2: something like that by Hamas. Clearly they had some intelligence

587
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Speaker 2: to that effect. They went in and they rescued her.

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Speaker 2: It came at the same time of the release of

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Speaker 2: a new video of some of these hostages. Of course,

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Speaker 2: let's keep this in mind before we even play it.

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Speaker 2: These hostages are being held against their will and under duress.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like we can take everything that they

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Speaker 2: say as truth or how they are actually feeling. But

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Speaker 2: we wanted to play it just to give you the

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Speaker 2: at least, this is the message that Hamas wants the

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Speaker 2: hostages to project to the Israeli public, which is going

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Speaker 2: to have some sort of impact. So take the caveat

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Speaker 2: and now let's put this up there on the screen

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Speaker 2: and I'll read some of the tough subtitles.

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Speaker 6: They say.

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Speaker 2: Biby Nechayahu, we are in Chevy Chevy Hamas twenty three

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Speaker 2: how many days? It's been twenty three days, she says

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Speaker 2: to the two people sitting next to her. Yesterday there

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Speaker 2: was a press conference with the kidnap to families. We

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Speaker 2: know that there was supposed to be a cease fire.

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Speaker 2: You were supposed to free us all. You had to

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Speaker 2: free us all, and instead we are driving in your

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Speaker 2: political security, military and political chaos. And there's nods there

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Speaker 2: from some of the people who are next her because

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Speaker 2: of the mess that quote you made on the seventh

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Speaker 2: of October, Because there was no army there, no one came,

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Speaker 2: no one listened to us. And we, innocent citizens, citizens

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Speaker 2: who pay taxes to the State of Israel, are in

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Speaker 2: Chevy in conditions, not conditions. This one is a difficult one.

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Speaker 2: You are killing us. You want to kill us ally,

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Speaker 2: You want to find a way to kill us all.

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Speaker 2: Not enough, you killed everyone. Not enough Israeli citizens were killed.

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Speaker 2: Free us, Free us, now, free their citizens, free their prisoners,

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Speaker 2: free us, free all of us, and give us, give

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Speaker 2: us to return to our families.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Really horrible situation there. I can't imagine what these women

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Speaker 2: are going through.

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 2: Who knows whether any of that is true, whether they

626
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Speaker 2: have guns pointed at their heads, but it's clear that

627
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Speaker 2: Hamas wants to exploit that message and to hammer at

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Speaker 2: home something that you would talk to almost immediately crystal

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Speaker 2: about the divisions in the Israeli public around the moving

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Speaker 2: of IDF soldiers from the border with Gaza to the

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Speaker 2: West Bank in order to protect settlers, leaving people there

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Speaker 2: feeling very exposed. Many of them are really more like

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Speaker 2: Israeli leftists, they're like peace activists in some cases. Those

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Speaker 2: two old ladies who were released, Ryan did a great

635
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Speaker 2: job of kind of talking about them and their their

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Speaker 2: peace legacy.

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Speaker 4: People haven't gone.

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Speaker 2: They've been into Gaza before to provide medical services to

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people.

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Speaker 4: So these women, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know much about them, but of course they're being

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Speaker 2: exploited and they're being projected here. But the message that

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Speaker 2: they are trying to get across is that Hamas is

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Speaker 2: desirable at this point of a ceasefire, but obvious to

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Speaker 2: take advantage or at least, you know, for whatever purposes.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it also gets to the difficulty of

647
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Speaker 2: the hostage situation and what they are then demanding. It

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Speaker 2: seems that they are saying, we want the release of

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Speaker 2: all of our prisoners in exchange. Now, the details of

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Speaker 2: any sort of hostage swap and all of that are

651
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Speaker 2: very you know, the nebulous in some cases, like sometimes

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Speaker 2: they're saying well, we want the release of all Hamas

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Speaker 2: people who were taken on October seventh, or actually want

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Speaker 2: all Palestinian prisoners who are being held by Israel or

655
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Speaker 2: in some cases have been held now for decades in

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Speaker 2: Israeli prison. And then all of this is of course

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Speaker 2: being negotiated in Katar, where the reports indicate that the

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Speaker 2: head of the Israeli Masad actually just traveled to may

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Speaker 2: not have met with Hamas directly, but as meeting with

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Speaker 2: other representatives where Hamas has representation.

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Speaker 1: There as well, a group of the family members of

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Speaker 1: Israelis who are being held hostage release that their position

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Speaker 1: is they support a swap of all prisoners for all prisoners,

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Speaker 1: or all hostages for all hostages. So at least some

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Speaker 1: portion of the hostage family members like that is their position.

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Speaker 1: They want to negotiate, they want to make that deal.

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Speaker 1: I also want to mention the fact because I think

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Speaker 1: this is really significant as well in understanding you know,

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Speaker 1: this entire dynamic. There were a lot of Palestinian day

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Speaker 1: laborers from Gaza who are actually in Israel on the

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Speaker 1: day of October seventh. They were there, you know, on

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Speaker 1: a work permit to work. They usually work in you know,

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Speaker 1: the very difficult, dirty, low paying industries that Israelis don't

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Speaker 1: want to do, so they give.

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Speaker 5: Gazens work permits.

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Speaker 1: This was part of the idea to sort of like

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Speaker 1: placate this area and try to keep tensions and security

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Speaker 1: concerns at bay. Thousands of them are missing, a number

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Speaker 1: of them have been confirmed taken I would say, basically

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Speaker 1: hostage by the Israelis as well. So when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Palestinian prisoners who could be part of some theoretical deal,

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Speaker 1: which again you have to consider you're dealing with mas here,

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Speaker 1: so how much you.

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Speaker 5: Take them at their word, etc.

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Speaker 1: But when you're thinking about Palestinian prisoners, I just want

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Speaker 1: people to understand the type of people that could be

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Speaker 1: involved in that. You know, some of them are undoubtedly

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Speaker 1: you hardened Hamas terrorists, no doubt about it, but some

689
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Speaker 1: of them are also just regular Palestinian day laborers who

690
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Speaker 1: are being held now in indefinite detention in this very

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Speaker 1: sort of like Guantanamo Bay type system that Israel has

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Speaker 1: set up exactly for you know, this type of situation.

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Speaker 1: So that's sort of the bigger picture of the potential

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Speaker 1: swap that is being discussed.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So that's the context for the current

697
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Speaker 2: hostage situation in terms of the military operation. So I've

698
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Speaker 2: been checking military operations obviously continue. The tanks remain inside

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Speaker 2: of Gaza. It appears that they are doing some sort

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Speaker 2: of movement to encircle the city, Gaza City. We broke

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Speaker 2: a lot of that down yesterday, but there hasn't been

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Speaker 2: anything significant that's happened in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: Of course, we will keep you guys all updated.

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Speaker 1: Part of what we've tried to keep the focus on

705
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Speaker 1: here from the beginning is not only what is happening

706
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Speaker 1: right now and the horrors of it and the details

707
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Speaker 1: of it and the geostrategic importance of it, but okay,

708
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Speaker 1: what's the plan for after? And to make the nine

709
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Speaker 1: to eleven comparison again, you know, I mean, going into

710
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Speaker 1: a rock at all was foolish, But we also went

711
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Speaker 1: in without a real plan for after, at least not

712
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Speaker 1: when one that made any damn sense. The Israeli government

713
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Speaker 1: has been very insistent under net and Yahoo that like,

714
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Speaker 1: we haven't really thought about that. First, We're going to

715
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Speaker 1: go in and do this thing, and then we'll figure

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Speaker 1: that out down the road. The US has reportedly in

717
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Speaker 1: one of these you know, handwringing dispatch is very concerned

718
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Speaker 1: about that, trying to pressure them to come up with

719
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Speaker 1: a plan. So we are starting to get some leaks

720
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Speaker 1: and some details about some of the plans which are

721
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Speaker 1: being crafted and floated in what I would describe as

722
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Speaker 1: basically like a domestic and international kind of trial balloon.

723
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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen from Haretz. The Israeli

724
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Speaker 1: Intel Ministry suggests relocating Gaza to Sinai after the Hamas War,

725
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Speaker 1: so completely pushing Gazans out of the Gaza strip and

726
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Speaker 1: into the Egyptian Sinai desert after the Hamas War. Again,

727
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Speaker 1: this was a leaked document that gave a number of

728
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Speaker 1: possible suggestions, but this was the one that they felt

729
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Speaker 1: was like the best idea.

730
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Speaker 5: They say.

731
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Speaker 1: A draft document prepared by the Israeli Intel Ministry suggests

732
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Speaker 1: an option to initially relocate Gaza's population to tense cities

733
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Speaker 1: in northern Sinai. This is the first indication of a

734
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Speaker 1: possible exit strategy to the war by the political leadership.

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Speaker 1: Among a number of suggestions in this new document drafted

736
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Speaker 1: by the ministry is the possible relocation in the current

737
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Speaker 1: wars aftermath. It suggests Israel mite initially relocate them to

738
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Speaker 1: ten cities, to be followed later by the establishment of

739
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Speaker 1: permanent communities in northern Sinai. So this is a permanent relocation,

740
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Speaker 1: is what's being floated here. Document presents two additional alternatives.

741
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Speaker 1: One would permit the Palestinian Authority, which has partial control

742
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Speaker 1: of the West Bank and which was ousted from Gaza

743
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Speaker 1: by Hamas in two thousand and seven, who control Gaza

744
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Speaker 1: with its current residents remaining. Another option would have Israel

745
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Speaker 1: established local Arab rule by Gaza's residents, who remain in

746
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Speaker 1: their home offices in their homes after the collapse of

747
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Speaker 1: the Hamas regime. The Prime Minister's Office said in response

748
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Speaker 1: to this article is an initial document of the kind

749
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Speaker 1: that can be found in dozens of iterations at all

750
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Speaker 1: levels of the government and the security services. The issue

751
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Speaker 1: of the day after has not been discussed at any

752
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Speaker 1: official forum in Israel, which is now focused on eliminating

753
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Speaker 1: Kamas's governmental and military capabilities in Saga. As you know,

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Speaker 1: I've long thought that it was complete bullshit that they're like,

755
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Speaker 1: we haven't even thought about that, because even before this

756
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Speaker 1: war they had thought about it. There had been position papers,

757
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Speaker 1: there had been articulated political positions. You know, Netnyahu famously,

758
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Speaker 1: as the head of Lakud, has been totally opposed to

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Speaker 1: any sort of Palestinian statehood. That's why he was interested

760
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Speaker 1: in propping up Hamas because he knew it Hamas could

761
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Speaker 1: not be negotiated with, there would be no appetite for

762
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Speaker 1: peace with Hamas. He also knew that keeping the residents

763
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Speaker 1: of the West Bank versus the Gaza strip was also

764
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Speaker 1: good for thwarting Palestinian statehood. So that's why they prefer

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Speaker 1: this idea of let's be honest, what it would amount

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Speaker 1: to the textbook definition of an ethnic cleansing. They prefer

767
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Speaker 1: that because if you allow the Palestinian authority control over Gaza,

768
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Speaker 1: then you have this little glimmer of a possibility at

769
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Speaker 1: Palestinian statehood. And the reason we should take this seriously

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Speaker 1: Number one, the reporting is that this was intentionally leaked

771
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Speaker 1: to a group of basically like right wing activists to

772
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Speaker 1: try to get it out into the press. Again, that's

773
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Speaker 1: why I call this as sort of like trial balloon

774
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Speaker 1: to see how the Israeli population responds to it, but

775
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Speaker 1: more importantly to see how we respond to it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and we also have some indications from your recall, we

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Speaker 1: covered Tony Blinken's discussion with President CC of Egypt, and

778
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Speaker 1: one of the things that he said really stood out

779
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Speaker 1: to me about how, you know, oh, they put off

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Speaker 1: the table like any relocation of Gazans. Let's put this

781
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Speaker 1: up on the screen from Reuter's Egypt. CC rejects transfer

782
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Speaker 1: of Gosen's discusses aid with Biden, and so it was

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Speaker 1: a real red flag to me that that had even

784
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Speaker 1: been seriously discussed from the US Secretary of State with

785
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Speaker 1: the President of Egypt and was again an indication that

786
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Speaker 1: this whole oh, we don't know what we want to

787
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Speaker 1: do thing was a bluff and they actually had some

788
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Speaker 1: ideas behind the scenes of what they wanted to do.

789
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Speaker 1: They just want to really come out and say it publicly.

790
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I agree that it's probably a

791
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Speaker 2: trial balloon, and it is one where the I would

792
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Speaker 2: even say the less importance is us is how the

793
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Speaker 2: Arab world will react to this. And I think it's

794
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Speaker 2: interesting that CC, it seems, had had some sort of

795
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Speaker 2: inkling around this. I mean, let's also remember CC has

796
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Speaker 2: a pretty good intelligence network. It helps whenever you are

797
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: a dictator of your entire country, and they're the ones

798
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Speaker 2: who actually warned the Israelis about October seventh, just a

799
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Speaker 2: couple of days before, just like just so you know,

800
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Speaker 2: clearly probably had some heads up that something like this

801
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Speaker 2: was being planned. I just don't think it's honestly even feasible.

802
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Speaker 2: They can try and trial balloon in all they want.

803
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Speaker 2: If they were to try and forcibly relocate a million

804
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Speaker 2: people or so into the Sinai it would absolutely spark

805
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Speaker 2: regional war.

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Speaker 4: There's no question.

807
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Speaker 2: It also flies in the face of all US policy,

808
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Speaker 2: bipartisan US policy now for multiple administrations. I believe even

809
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Speaker 2: since the Bush administration, whenever it came to the policy

810
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Speaker 2: of the United States government it has been now for almost

811
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Speaker 2: two decades. Is we believe in a two state palicy

812
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Speaker 2: and solution. This is the opposite of that. Also, it

813
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Speaker 2: flies in the face of the previous way that we

814
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Speaker 2: thought about Sinai, about the removal of Israeli troops about

815
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Speaker 2: I think even to this day, they're still US peacekeepers

816
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Speaker 2: at least in the region or nearby, because I know

817
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: that sometimes they had to run in with isis my

818
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: point being is that this is dead on arrival for

819
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Speaker 2: the entire international community. And it is, though I think dangerous,

820
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Speaker 2: especially if it's dangerous if it's came about the way

821
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Speaker 2: that you said. It's one thing to be leaked because

822
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Speaker 2: people are concerned about it. It's way of the thing

823
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Speaker 2: to be leaked because they're like, no, no, no, guys, let's

824
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Speaker 2: let's float this and let's see. Yeah, what their response is.

825
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: This would set up. I believe this actually would set

826
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Speaker 2: up a complete showdown with the Arab world. Where is

827
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Speaker 2: this is the plan and this is what they actually

828
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Speaker 2: want to commit themselves too.

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Speaker 4: That's it, We're going to work. There's no question.

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Speaker 1: They also included in here details about the way they

831
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Speaker 1: would sell the international community and the Arab world and

832
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Speaker 1: the US in particular on this idea. And I mean

833
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: it's unfolding. The plan lays out. Some of these phases

834
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: have already unfolded. So the ideas, Okay, first we push

835
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Speaker 1: them out of northern Gaza for their safety. For southern

836
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Speaker 1: Gaza also not safe, but we'll put that aside for

837
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Speaker 1: a moment. Then we do the ground invasion. We push

838
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Speaker 1: them out of the strip altogether, again for their safety.

839
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Speaker 1: You remember early on with the Biden administration, there was

840
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Speaker 1: a lot of talk of these humanitarian corridors. That is,

841
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Speaker 1: the idea of like, oh, we're going to open these

842
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: humanitarian corridors so that people can flee the fighting and

843
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: keep them safe with of course we'll let them return,

844
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Speaker 1: and then after that basically making the case that actually

845
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Speaker 1: be better off for them. And you know this is

846
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: so destroyed now on Gaza they can't possibly return home.

847
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Speaker 1: So there's a whole strategy here laid out of the

848
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Speaker 1: type of propaganda that would be used and the way

849
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Speaker 1: it would unfold to try to effectuate this outcome.

850
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Speaker 5: Now, I agree with you.

851
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Speaker 1: I think the fact that Blinken made those comments publicly,

852
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Speaker 1: that we haven't been hearing similar language about humanitarian corridors

853
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: in tense cities, etc. From the Biden administration, I think

854
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: is also another indication. But just a couple other pieces

855
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Speaker 1: on this, So just to give you an insight into

856
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Speaker 1: how the net Nyahu government thinks about this issue and

857
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Speaker 1: how different it is from the US typical conception of like, oh,

858
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Speaker 1: we're in this peace process and working to a two

859
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: state solution, et cetera. The option of reinstating the Palestinian

860
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Speaker 1: Authority rule in Gaza is described in this report as

861
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Speaker 1: the least desirable desirable because quote, the division between the

862
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Palestinian population in the West Bank and Gaza is one

863
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Speaker 1: of the main obstacles today preventing the establishment of a

864
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Speaker 1: Palestinian state.

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Speaker 5: So again, the reason they.

866
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Speaker 1: Don't like the idea of the Palestinian Authority being in

867
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Speaker 1: Gaza is because that would open up the possibility of

868
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Speaker 1: a potential to state or some sort of peace solution.

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Speaker 1: So just so you have an insight into how they're thinking.

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Speaker 1: And one last piece that I'll put out here, which

871
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: came out maybe last week, which also shows that the

872
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: seriousness and the thought that's being put into this plan.

873
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 5: Very similar plan.

874
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: Was craft and put out publicly by an Israeli think

875
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: tank that has ties into this government. Let's go and

876
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. This is a report

877
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: from this I actually wasn't familiar with this New Lines magazine.

878
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 5: It seems like.

879
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: Sort of like a neoliberal my vibe in terms of

880
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: their ideology. The headline here is as the Middle East

881
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: reels and new Option takes shape, expulsion. Years of careful

882
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: diplomacy have been overturned by the current wave of violence,

883
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: forcing major powers in the region and beyond to look

884
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: for new policies, however extreme. So they go on to

885
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: report put this up on the screen. Just this week,

886
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: a right wing Israeli think tank headed by the country's

887
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: former national security advisor publish a report on various scenarios

888
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: for the future of Gaza, including a detailed plan for

889
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: the expulsion of its Palaestinian population to Egypt. In the

890
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: paper by the Jerusalem based Miskov Institute for resign As,

891
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: Strategy and Natural Security, only one suggestion for a Postmas

892
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: future is deemed viable for Israel's long term security, the

893
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: quote transfer of the Gazia population to Sinai or other countries.

894
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Author of the report says that Washington can play a

895
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: crucial role by pressuring these countries to either contribute resources

896
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: or taken displaced Palestinians themselves. Although international law says forced

897
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: his placement of civilians as a war crime, the author

898
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: of this report argues transferring Gazins to Sinai could be

899
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: legally justified as self defense in a time of war.

900
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: So again just shows you this is something that's being

901
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: seriously considered. I think being floated as a trial balloon

902
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 1: both of the air world to us, to the Israeli population,

903
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: and is very much part of the thought process and

904
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: consideration of what the Israeli government would like to do.

905
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say about them, I mean putting aside.

906
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: I know people feel a certain way when you use

907
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: these terms. I mean, if you look up the definition

908
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: of ethnic cleansing, this f it's the definition. So put

909
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: that aside. If you don't care about the morality of it,

910
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: how are you going to be more secure if you

911
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,959
Speaker 1: just push these people out done a complete knappa. They're

912
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: in Egypt, like you no longer even have your like,

913
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, blockade and your deep surveillance, et cetera. That's

914
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: part of why I actually think that this won't fly

915
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: is because I don't know that these really public even

916
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: if they don't care about the civilians and any of that,

917
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: are going to feel safe under this certain area.

918
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: I just think this is not going to happen.

919
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: This might be their wildest dream and like if they

920
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: had total power, they could, but because there's no way

921
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: the international community will ever allow the.

922
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: Same thing, is I can't totally put it off the

923
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: table just because of you know, these multiple reports coming on,

924
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: it's clearly being floated behind the scenes, et cetera.

925
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 5: And also because it's not.

926
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: Like any of the potential post war strategies makes a

927
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of sense, like there are no good options.

928
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: I agree with you.

929
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: I mean, here's why I think it is gonna happen.

930
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna set up some sort of DMZ.

931
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: This is why they're in the northern part of the country.

932
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: That's where they're doing everything. They're going to go into

933
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: Gaza City, They're basically going to level it. Then they're

934
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: gonna take minimal casualties as much as possible. They're gonna

935
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: set up some multiple kilometer demilitarized zone which is mine

936
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: to all of hell, and then they're basically going to

937
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: say they dismantled Hamas, but let's be honest, like it

938
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: didn't actually happen, and then they're gonna pull out there.

939
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: You take minimal casualties, you quote unquote send a message.

940
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: Nothing actually fundamentally changes. Hamas will still remain like quasi

941
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: and power, which means that the right wing government can

942
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: always be like say, we don't have every serious negotiating power.

943
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: The problem in all of that is the hostages of course.

944
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: And also, and that's another thing where you almost want

945
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: to take them at their word when they say it's

946
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: a months long military operation.

947
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 4: You can read it two ways.

948
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: You could be like, whoa, they're really gonna go into

949
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: hand to hand combat. But the more that I see

950
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: the way that they're conducting themselves, I don't see it.

951
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they're barely getting out of these tanks.

952
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: You have very special forces rates, they are very very

953
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: concerned about Israeli casualties. So if you are that concerned

954
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: about it, there's no scenario where you're going to be

955
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: seriously engaged in what it would take to militarily accomplished

956
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: a subjective. The best thing you could do is just,

957
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: like I said, set up some sort of DMZ and

958
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: you probably, unfortunately, because this is one of one of

959
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: the best things that was really was between the two groups.

960
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: They're probably end the guestworker program completely and not allow

961
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Palestinians to even cross the border for anything in the future.

962
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 2: I think that just seems like the most likely sum there.

963
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Think about the Israeli public, So the idea of they're

964
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: going to eliminate hamas.

965
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not going to happen. It's just not possible.

966
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen.

967
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: Right, they know that they're not fools, right, there's no way,

968
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: and there's no other government structure in place, and you know,

969
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean there haven't any elections there in what seventeen

970
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: years or whatever like, Yes, it's not like there's some

971
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: thriving democratic society that can put up together another government.

972
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: So the idea of we're going to root out Hamas, no,

973
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: you're not, okay, So how is Israeli public going to react?

974
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: Even with Okay, we have this DMZ and we have

975
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: these additional security procedures, etc. But we're gonna let Hamas

976
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: remain in control. I just can't imagine the Israeli public

977
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: supporting that. So, like I said, the reason I don't

978
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: think you can rule it out is because number one,

979
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: we've already seen them executing a number of these phases.

980
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: Number two, you know, even prior to this war, this

981
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: was clearly like the desire of especially certain elements of

982
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Natna Who's coalition, if not him himself, but I think

983
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: also himself based on prior support and comments. There is

984
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: no good other option. And I just don't know. I

985
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: don't know how it plays out. I don't know where

986
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: it does. I don't know what the Israeli public will accept.

987
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: And I really want people to fit with the fact that,

988
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: according to this official government ministry report, they would actually

989
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: rather keep Hamas there than let in Palestinian authority because

990
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: that would open up the possibility of peace. So they

991
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: would rather have Hamas in charge than have a possibility

992
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: of a Palestinian state. I just want you to understand

993
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: that's the ideology we're dealing.

994
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: With, definitely, especially if the current government, and the other

995
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 2: possibility is the Israeli public it gets sick of war

996
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: and then they're like, look, let's actually get serious about this.

997
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: If anybody, if any public could do it, it would

998
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: be people whose grandfathers died in the Holocaust, whose fathers

999
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: had to fight in the nineteen seventy in nineteen sixty seven,

1000
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three wars, and men whose current generation

1001
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: has had to live now with debilitaring terror attacks.

1002
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 4: That can go two different ways.

1003
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 2: You know, you can go one way where you want

1004
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: complete revenge, but if that doesn't become politically sustainable, then

1005
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: you turn to the other. So I would hope that

1006
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: we can bet on that prevailing, but of course that

1007
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: is not something that we can count on in the future.

1008
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Well, the last thing to say on potentially more hopeful

1009
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: or moderate note or whatever is I mean there aren't

1010
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: really like there aren't real leftists left in the kanessid

1011
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Like it's this whole society has shifted dramatically, right, which

1012
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: is how Nniahu ends up in power. But you know

1013
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: he is and his coalition is the most extreme in history,

1014
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and he's hanging out to power by his fingernails. So

1015
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: it's not even close to clear that he and his

1016
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: government would be the ones coming up with and implementing

1017
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: whatever the strategy is for the day after.

1018
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right. Let's move on to the AID part.

1019
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: This is kind of a fascinating conversation. There was a

1020
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 2: new plan that's been revealed, so of course Speaker Mike Johnson,

1021
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: the new Speaker, said his first act was passing a

1022
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: resolution in support of Israel. The second thing that they

1023
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: really wanted to do was get some Israel AID on

1024
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: the floor. Well that Israel AID, as I brought you

1025
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: guys in news yesterday. They're breaking it apart from Ukraine AID.

1026
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: Now it's going to be fourteen billion. Now instead of

1027
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: just paying or just I guess borrowing that additional fourteen billion,

1028
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: they wanted to do an offset, and so the way

1029
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: they've decided to pay for it is by cutting funding

1030
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: for the IRS, which was included in the Inflation Reduction Act.

1031
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: Here's Speaker Johnson in an interview that just yesterday describing

1032
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: the strategy. Let's take a listen.

1033
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 9: This is a matter of good versus evil.

1034
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 10: I think what Prime Minister dot Yahu said just a

1035
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 10: couple of days ago is exactly right. It's good versus evil,

1036
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 10: it's light versus darkness. I spoke with him on the telephone.

1037
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 10: I think it's Saturday night. I've known him for some time,

1038
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 10: and we spoke in those very clear terms, and we

1039
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 10: understand what's at stake here, and I hope that everyone

1040
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 10: will put politics aside.

1041
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 9: Get that bill over the line. We're going to have

1042
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 9: pay fors in it.

1043
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 10: We're not just going to print money and send it overseas,

1044
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 10: because the other concern we have that is overwriting this

1045
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 10: is our own strength is a nation which is tied

1046
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 10: to our fiscal stability. My desire in the first draft

1047
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 10: of this bill is to take some of the money

1048
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 10: that has been set aside for the building and bulking

1049
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 10: up the IRS. Right now, they have about sixty seven

1050
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 10: billion dollars in that fund, and we'll try to take

1051
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 10: the fourteen point five necessary for this immediate and urgent need.

1052
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 9: We'll deal with the rest of that issue later.

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 2: Do you think that will drive away some Democrats in

1054
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: the Senate even or here in the House.

1055
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 10: It may, but my intention is to call Leader Shumer

1056
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 10: over there and have a very direct and thoughtful conversation

1057
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 10: about this.

1058
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 9: I understand their.

1059
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 10: Priority is to bulk up the IRS, but I think

1060
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 10: if you put to the American people and they weigh

1061
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 10: the two needs, I think they're going to say, standing

1062
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 10: with Israel and protecting the innocent over there is in

1063
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 10: our national interest and is a more immediate need than

1064
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 10: IRS agents.

1065
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: All right, he's setting up a showdown over the IRS.

1066
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Let's put this on the screen. We got some of

1067
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: the bill text here just to show you guys, so

1068
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: as you can see, the House GOP wants to offset

1069
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: the fourteen point three billion israel A supplemental with IRS

1070
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: funding from the Inflation Reduction Act.

1071
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: We've got the bill text there that lays it all out.

1072
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: So Chrystal, I know that you disagree with this on

1073
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: a policy, but I got to be honest, I think

1074
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: it's a brilliant play because they're basically daring the Senate

1075
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 2: and Biden to choose IRS funding over funding for Israel,

1076
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: which at the very least is politically popular.

1077
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 6: For now.

1078
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: IRS funding is certainly not politically popular. You can try

1079
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: and phrase it in different ways, but especially with no

1080
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: protections inside of the bill to make sure that they

1081
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: are not going after poorer people. It's one of those

1082
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: where they are setting things up I think for a

1083
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: difficult headline in the future. That said, Chuck Schumer has

1084
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: already rejected the plan. Schumer says not because of the

1085
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Speaker 2: IRS thing, although it's obviously the reason. He's like, well,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have Ukraine, we have to do it together. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then President Biden has rejected it out of hand

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Speaker 2: for the similar reason.

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Speaker 4: Neither of them doing though for the IRS funding.

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Speaker 2: So if this is the sole thing that moves from

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Speaker 2: the House floor, it will be quite a dare.

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Speaker 4: And they already have.

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Speaker 2: A Democratic vote, at least one Democratic vote said you

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Speaker 2: would join.

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Speaker 1: Them, Well, I don't want funding going to Israel.

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Speaker 5: So if this screws that up. I'm in support of it,

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Speaker 5: but can he talk for a.

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Speaker 1: Second about how stupid this is because the money that

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Speaker 1: they're talking about stripping from the IRS not only is

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Speaker 1: to go after wealthy tax cheats, it's also to finance

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00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: a free tax filing system, this one for ordinary people,

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Speaker 1: which is something I know even you support. It's like

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Speaker 1: one of the few good things that the government is

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Speaker 1: actually planning to do for us. And it's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's make sure Turbo tax can still extract their pound

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Speaker 1: of flesh from every American when it comes to tax time.

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Speaker 5: Way to go, GOP.

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Speaker 1: But the other level makes it so stupid is because

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Speaker 1: the money you spend on IRS agents actually like returns

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Speaker 1: more than the money you're spending, So it's not like

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00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: this is a pay for This would actually further increase

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Speaker 1: the deficits.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, it's.

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Speaker 1: Just obviously political political gimmick. I thought Matt Stoller had

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00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: a good take. He said, so the new speaker wants

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00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: to finance a foreign nations war by cutting a free

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Speaker 1: tax filing program for Americans and eliminating tax audits of

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Speaker 1: the wealthy ladies and gentlemen America. First, how does this

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Speaker 1: all plan on? I really have no idea because you know,

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Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson is very interested in Israel funding as well. Yes,

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Speaker 1: mean Bebe is like his buddy. He's already talked to him.

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Speaker 1: He's very ideologically, he's very like personally religiously committed to Israel.

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Speaker 1: So he also is extremely committed to Israel funding. You know,

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Speaker 1: he has already signaled that he accepts the basic argument

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Speaker 1: in favor of Ukraine funding. So I don't know how

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Speaker 1: this all plays out. Ultimately, my guess is that, you know.

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Speaker 5: The things that I would want to happen, which is

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Speaker 5: no way.

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Speaker 1: To Ukraine or Israel, are probably not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: They probably find some way to shoehorn both of these

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Speaker 1: things through, So we'll see. But this is clearly, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, an attempt to I even think the congressman,

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00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: who's the Democratic congressman who said that he would vote

1134
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: for this, he said it's like politics by political mail,

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Speaker 1: or like they're trying to phrase like the way they

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Speaker 1: would go after Democrats, which is precisely what it.

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Speaker 5: Is going on.

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Speaker 4: It definitely is what happening.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, well, honestly, I think it's kind

1140
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Speaker 2: of smart Will it work again, I don't know. Let's

1141
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Speaker 2: put the next one up there on the screen. As

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Speaker 2: I said about Chuck Schumer saying that actually it's the

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00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: Ukraine exemption. He says that exclusion of Ukraine and the

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00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: inclusion offsets is going to quote make it much harder

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Speaker 2: to pass the Senate. Obviously, it's up to him on

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Speaker 2: whether it comes to the floor. But Israel is a

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Speaker 2: massive priority for Chuck Schumer and for a lot of

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Speaker 2: Senate Democrats and for Republicans. I don't think the Senate

1149
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: Republicans would have any issue, and then you only need

1150
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: a couple of Dems actually to join. But Schumer, of

1151
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: course would have to bring it to the floor. Now

1152
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: I don't know how that will come about. Already, the

1153
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: sole objection I've seen so far from Joe Manchin says,

1154
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm fine with the IRS funding cut, but we got

1155
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: to have Ukraine in there too. Susan Collins also saying

1156
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: effectively the same thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a showdown. We'll see how it goes.

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00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: The House is going scheduled to vote on it at

1159
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Speaker 2: least sometime in the next week or so. Then it

1160
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 2: will make its way over to the Senate. They're going

1161
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: to have to decide if they outright rejected or not,

1162
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Speaker 2: and then the two bodies will come to a head,

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Speaker 2: and obviously the President is going to be on the

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Speaker 2: side of Chuck Schumer. So we'll keep you guys updated.

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Speaker 2: But it is an interesting little political wrinkle that the

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Speaker 2: GOP was able to get in there for their headline. Now,

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00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 2: speaking of Ukraine, aid, there was a remarkable per new

1168
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: profile of President Zelenski in Time magazine that we just

1169
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 2: had to bring you. I found with this quote Crystal

1170
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: buried forty five paragraphs in all the way at the bottom,

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00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: which is job dropping, honestly whenever you read it out loud.

1172
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: So let's please put it up there on the screen.

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00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read it to everybody in full. This is

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00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: a quote from this reporter who was embedded with President

1175
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: Zelenski and his team both during their US trip and

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Speaker 2: then in Kiev and also critically after the October seventh

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Speaker 2: attack on Israel. Quote, amid all of the pressure to

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Speaker 2: root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, officials in Ukraine

1179
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds.

1180
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 2: When I made this point to a top presidential advisor

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Speaker 2: in early October, he asked me to turn off my

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00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: audio recorders so he could speak more freely. Quote Simon,

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00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: you are mistaken. Simon is the profiler, he says.

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Speaker 6: Quote.

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Speaker 2: People are stealing like there's no tomorrow. Even the firing

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Speaker 2: of the Defense minister did not make officials quote feel

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00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: any fear, he says, because the purge took so long

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00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: to materialize. The president was warned in February the corruption

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00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: has grown rife inside the ministry. He dithered for more

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Speaker 2: than six months, giving his allies multiple chances to deal

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00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: with the problems quietly or explain them away. By the

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00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: time he had acted ahead of his US visit, quote,

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: it was too late, says another senior presidential advisor. Ukraine's

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00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: Western allies are already aware of this scandle by then,

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Speaker 2: and soldiers at the front have begun making off color

1196
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: jokes about Resnikov's eggs a new metaphor for corruption.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: The reputational damage was done. You know things are bad

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Speaker 2: whenever the freaking guys on the front line are aware

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Speaker 2: of an egg scandal as something that is a standalone.

1201
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: There's so much more in this piece, but to me,

1202
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: it's just like the hubris. They think they can just

1203
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: admit this out loud and get another sixty billion dollars.

1204
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the most corrupt nations

1205
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: in the entire world ahead of this warp, openly acknowledged

1206
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: by the Western government and by many others. We have

1207
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: now reports that the Biden administration held off for over

1208
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: a year on raising corruption to the Ukrainian government.

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Speaker 4: We knew it was real, we decided not.

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Speaker 2: To raise it. And what's shocking to me is that

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00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: inside the regime itself they are completely fine with it.

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00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: And not only fine, they are openly stealing everything that's

1213
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: not nailed down to the floor because now they're like,

1214
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: oh well now the funding might dry up, so we

1215
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: got to steal as much as we can. I mean,

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: these people look that make the Afghans look like charitable

1217
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: NGO operators or something. It's crazy to me that they'll

1218
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: just admit this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that comes through in this piece as well,

1220
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: in terms of like reality sort of setting in, but

1221
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: it's not really setting in. They have this line, they

1222
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: say Zelenski the usual sparkle of his optimism, a sense

1223
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: of humor, his tendency to liven up a meeting in

1224
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: the war and with a bit of banter, a body joke,

1225
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: body joke. None of that has survived into the second

1226
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: year of an all out war. Now he walks in,

1227
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: gets the updates, gives the orders, and walks out. They

1228
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: have left him without the means to win the war,

1229
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: only the means to survive it. On the contrary, his

1230
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: belief in Ukraine's ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into

1231
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: a form that worries some of his advisors. It is immovable,

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: verging on the messianic, he deludes himself. One of his

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: closest aids tells me in frustration, we are out of options,

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Speaker 1: we are not winning.

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Speaker 5: But try telling him that.

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01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: So there's a sense like he is very aware, and

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01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: this is you know, comes through in the piece that

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01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: Western support is kind of crumbling, you know, especially now

1239
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: with Israel has stolen the spotlight, so it's really been

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: put on the back burner. The counter offensive didn't go well,

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: and there's a reckoning internally within Ukraine about like why

1242
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: didn't go well and whose heads need to roll because

1243
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: it didn't.

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Speaker 5: Go well, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So you've got that they're facing another brutal winter where

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Speaker 1: there are likely to be blackouts and electricity failures, and

1247
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Speaker 1: you know, potentially civilian infrastructure targeted by the Russians, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And there's this quote in here too about like last

1249
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: winter they blamed Russia. This winter, are they're going to

1250
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: blame us that we didn't get it together to try

1251
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: to protect them during this time. So there's an awareness

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: of all these things, but there's no willingness to acknowledge

1253
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: the reality that there needs to be some sort of

1254
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: a deal cut, needs to be some sort of an

1255
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: end in sight. And you know, there's even there's a

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: lot of focus, understandably from US and from a lot

1257
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: of the international prosspot, like what weapons they need and

1258
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Speaker 1: what weapons systems, et cetera. Part of what comes through

1259
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Speaker 1: in this piece is like weapons are one thing. We

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01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: don't even have the men to fire the weapons. The

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: average age of a Ukrainian soldier is like forty five

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Speaker 1: years old average age. And so the reporter says, when

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Speaker 1: I raised these claims with the senior military officer that

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: some of the units were refusing to follow orders, he

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,479
Speaker 1: said some commanders have little choice in second guessing orders

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01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: from the top. At one point in early October, he

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01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: said the political leadership in Kiev demanded an operation to

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Speaker 1: take a certain city, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine

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Speaker 1: that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly

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Speaker 1: a decade. The answer came back in the form of

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Speaker 1: a question, with what retake it?

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Speaker 2: With what?

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01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: They don't have the men or the weapons, says the officer.

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01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: Where are the weapons, where's the artillery? Where are the

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01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: new recruits? So you're facing almost like muteness conditions on

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: the ground in the front lines in some of these areas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the most poignant one to me was the exactly

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: what you reference his own advisors saying, quote, he deludes himself,

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: we are out of options, we are not winning.

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Speaker 4: Try telling him that.

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01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: This is These are actual Ukrainian presidential advisors. Let's underscore

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Speaker 2: exactly what you just said about the actual personnel, where

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01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: they say that the shortage of personnel is more dire

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: than the deficit in arms and in ammunition. I mean,

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01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it takes a genius to figure out

1286
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: that when the average age is forty three years old, quote,

1287
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: they are grown men now, and they aren't even that

1288
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: healthy to begin with. This is Ukraine, not Scandinavia, as

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: they so aptly put it. They know that they're not

1290
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: fighting with a full deck. And this is really sad

1291
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: because we have no idea what the actual number of

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: casualties are. We know it's probably more than one hundred

1293
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: thousand that are dead, could be more than that. What

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01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: we do know, based upon unfortunately about the number of

1295
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: prosthetics that are being manufactured, is that it is now

1296
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: roughly equivalent to what the British Army was suffering for

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01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: casualties who have lost limbs from the First World War.

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Speaker 2: When you put those two things together and you consider

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Speaker 2: that Ukraine is a tiny country comp with the amount

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Speaker 2: of personnel that are available compared population wise, will fight wise,

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Speaker 2: manufacturing wise at the British Empire had its disposal at

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Speaker 2: that time.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't take a genius to figure out that in

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Speaker 4: a war of attrition, you're gone, You're going to lose.

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Speaker 4: Your best hope is probably that things stay where they

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Speaker 4: are right now, because in the long run, things are

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Speaker 4: about to get very, very difficult for you forty three

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Speaker 4: years old. I mean, this is like you read about

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Speaker 4: countries in.

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Speaker 2: Their absolute like last death throws start to get forty

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Speaker 2: three fifty year olds, and then of course what comes

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Speaker 2: next usually kids age fifteen or some sixteen, sometimes thirteen,

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Speaker 2: you know, that get drafted or or end up in

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Speaker 2: auxiliary forces or whatever behind the lines, and then they

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Speaker 2: end up getting put it in danger. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is this is like existential, but they're not behaving as

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Speaker 2: if it's existential, because when you do, and I think

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Speaker 2: this is why I honestly blame us more for this

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Speaker 2: than anybody else. We gave him the delusions that he

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Speaker 2: could be in this to win back every square inch

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Speaker 2: of his territory, including CRIMEA That's what the American political

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Speaker 2: establishment basically told them. And then at the same time,

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Speaker 2: on the corruption side, it's our fault.

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Speaker 4: We're the fools.

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Speaker 2: If somebody is going to take your money and steal it,

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Speaker 2: is that on them or is it on you for

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Speaker 2: being enough of an so much of an idiot. They

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Speaker 2: not only give them fifty billion, they give them an

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Speaker 2: additional fifty billion on top of that, even when you

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Speaker 2: know that they're massive criminals.

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Speaker 4: That's that's America's fault.

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Speaker 2: And even right now, I mean, it is an open

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Speaker 2: question whether we're not going to send these people an

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Speaker 2: additional sixty billion dollars. If I had to bet, I

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Speaker 2: would probably bet on the side of sending it to them.

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Speaker 2: I think the American political establishment doesn't care about any

1337
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Speaker 2: of this. I will say, you know, this, this profile

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: and all of that, it's making the rounds on Capitol Hill.

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01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: I had multi two sitting US senators who highlighted my

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Speaker 2: tweet about that. But that's two out of a body

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Speaker 2: of one hundred. Yeah, the vast majority, they're just gonna

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Speaker 2: ignore it. They're going to pretend like it doesn't even exist.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you that it's our fault, and I

1344
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: actually think this line that they have in here, you know,

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Speaker 1: Zelenski feels betrayed.

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Speaker 5: By his Western allies.

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Speaker 1: They have left him without the means to win the war,

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Speaker 1: only the means to survive. It is basically accurate. And

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Speaker 1: it is now really quite confirmed that the US and

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Speaker 1: the UK in particular, at the beginning of this war

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Speaker 1: scuttled a potential peace deal that was being negotiated by Turkey,

1352
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Speaker 1: and the thought was that, you know, this would be

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Speaker 1: quick and easy, and Russia was falling apart and they

1354
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: were a mess, and maybe we can get regime change.

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Speaker 1: We had all these like fanciful Maximus aims, and so

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Speaker 1: we scuttled this potential negotiation that could have ended this

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Speaker 1: conflict and ended this you know, total nightmare and horror

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Speaker 1: of a war. And we didn't want that. Not they

1359
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: didn't want it, We didn't want it. So yeah, now

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Speaker 1: you're in this Noman's land. Keep like, keep feeding the

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Speaker 1: thing even though it's you know, it's not going to

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Speaker 1: be enough to win. And the public is you know,

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Speaker 1: has lost its interest in its appetite for continuing to

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Speaker 1: be proxies in this conflict and all the while a

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Speaker 1: very dangerous situation. It's just it's a complete mess, and

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Speaker 1: it is You're right, it is absolutely a mess of

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Speaker 1: our making because you really can't blame the Lensk like

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Speaker 1: this is his country. You can't blame him for the

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Speaker 1: decisions and everything that he's trying to do. But we're

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Speaker 1: the ones who, you know, have really been driving the

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Speaker 1: train and pushing this direction from the beginning. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there will be a reckoning one day, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I hope that it comes sooner rather than

1376
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: it took us twenty years to wake up to the

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Speaker 2: grift in Afghanistan. It's taken us about two years, but

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Speaker 2: we still spent the same amount of money and arguably

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Speaker 2: even more on this one. So joke really is on

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Speaker 2: the US taxpayer and on all of us for not

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Speaker 2: listening in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Afghanistan and nine to eleven, the nine eleven

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Speaker 1: and vibes continue, and especially some of the war on

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Speaker 1: terror expansion of the security state that we saw in

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Speaker 1: the wake of nine to eleven. We now have the

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Speaker 1: White House, you know, with Korean John Pierre spokesperson here

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Speaker 1: classifying a new group of Americans as quote unquote extremists.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to this exchange.

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Speaker 6: Good bye.

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Speaker 11: I think the anti Israel protesters in this country are extremists.

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Speaker 12: What I can say is what we've been very clear

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Speaker 12: about this when it comes to anti Semitism, there's no place.

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Speaker 12: We have to make sure that we speak against it

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Speaker 12: very loud and be very clear about that. Remember, what

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Speaker 12: the president decided when the President decided to run for

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Speaker 12: president is what he saw in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 12: when he saw neo Nazis marching down the streets of

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Speaker 12: Charlottesville with vile anti Semitic just hatred. And he was

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Speaker 12: very clear then and he's very clear now, and he's

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Speaker 12: taken actions against this over the past two years, and

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Speaker 12: he's continued to be clear. There is no place, no

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Speaker 12: place for this type of violent despite despite this kind

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Speaker 12: of rhetoric, we hear you.

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Speaker 11: Guys don't talk about extremists all the time. It is

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Speaker 11: usually about Maga extremists. So what about these protesters for

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Speaker 11: making Jewish students feel save on college campuses? Are they extremeists?

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Speaker 12: I've been very very clear. We are calling out any

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Speaker 12: form of hate, any form of hate, it is not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: So basically likening their protesters to the neo Nazis who

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Speaker 1: marched in Charlottesville. Let's take a look at some of

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Speaker 1: the official government actions that are being taken here.

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Speaker 5: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Biden administration unveiling new actions on Monday to combat anti

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Speaker 1: Semitism on college campuses after an alarming uptick and incident

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Speaker 1: since the Israel Hamas War. The Departments of Justice and

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security are partnering with campus law enforcement to track

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Speaker 1: hate related threats and provide federal resources to school was.

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Speaker 1: According the plan, which was shared exclusively with NBC News,

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Speaker 1: some of what they'll be assessing include specific incredible threats

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Speaker 1: that are flagged online. So listen, you might hear that,

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: let's work. You know, everyone should be completely opposed to

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: anti semitism, which is disgusting, and there is no doubt

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Speaker 1: there has been a rise in anti semitism. There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt that some of the protesters have expressed anti Semitic sentiments.

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Speaker 1: It's also very clear that, you know, the two thirds

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Speaker 1: of American public supports a ceasefire, which is completely at.

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Speaker 5: Odds with the White House, something they have called repugnant.

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Speaker 5: You also have.

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Speaker 1: Many Jewish protesters who are in support of a ceasefire

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Speaker 1: and in support of a Palestinian statehood, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: So to paint with.

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Speaker 1: This broad brush is incredibly disturbing. And I will just

1433
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: say that, you know, you hear these things like, oh,

1434
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: combating anti semitism, like who could be against that? But

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01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: we saw the way that these things were used after

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: nine eleven and the way that yeah, we're just we're

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Speaker 1: going after you know, we're going after isis we're going

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: after the terrorists. And next thing you know, you have

1439
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: enabled and justified this massive surveillance bureaucracy and security state expansion,

1440
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: and you know now when you're expanding to a new

1441
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: massive group of extremists from the White House podium. This

1442
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: is something that people should be very concerned about. However

1443
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: you feel about this conflict or those protesters specifically.

1444
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,879
Speaker 2: Even reading the details of this Biden thing, the Departments

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01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: of Justice and Homeland Security are partnering the campus law

1446
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,520
Speaker 2: enforcement to track hate related threats and provide federal resources

1447
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 2: to school. Oh, campus law enforcement, you mean the kangaroo

1448
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: corks that have basically been set up across this country

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Speaker 2: for the last like fifteen years in the modern era.

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Speaker 4: Of like me too, I don't think so.

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: These are the people I trust, probably least on the planet,

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01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 2: And these are the last people that you want adjudicating

1453
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: what is hate speech and what is not. And I

1454
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: would just ask everybody to remind themselves of how they've

1455
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: all covered themselves in glory over the last decade or so.

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: If you want to go look at some of these

1457
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: quote unquote sexual assault case that have played out in

1458
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: most of these college campuses, which are completely devoid of

1459
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: like any due process or for amend protections and have

1460
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,839
Speaker 2: just been handled outrageously, you would not want the White

1461
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: House and the government to be surging these people with

1462
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 2: even more power. And then it goes to the question

1463
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: of like, now, how are you going to hand are

1464
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: you gonna be monitoring students on campus Wi fi and

1465
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: on networks? Like is this going to constitute expulsion? How exactly?

1466
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: And what does hate speech even mean? Because if you

1467
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: look back to what he said, Peter Doocey anti Israel

1468
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 2: pro Now, listen, you can agree or disagree with what

1469
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Speaker 2: that means. There's a difference between anti Semitic and anti Israel.

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Speaker 4: And that's a very critical Israel is a nation state.

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Speaker 2: That's like saying that it's hate speech to be anti

1472
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia or something like that. Well, there's a difference

1473
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: meaning anti Islam and anti Saudi Arabia. Same thing that

1474
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 2: applies to every country. As we always would want to

1475
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 2: remind people about America, you can be as the Bush

1476
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: administration or the US invasion of Iraq and not be

1477
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 2: against the American people, which is what most normal people

1478
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: would understand. You know, across the world, it's only extremists

1479
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: that kind of conflate the two, people like Osama bin Laden.

1480
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm very worried about this, especially the campus element,

1481
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: because that's how it all starts.

1482
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 4: And who knows.

1483
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, for what purpose can you can you repurpose

1484
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: this new like campus surveillance network. I mean, this is

1485
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: like McCarthyism. That's you know, back in the day, that's

1486
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they used to do.

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Speaker 5: Very much like mccarthurism.

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 1: And your point about what how do you define hate

1489
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: spich as a critical one because there has been a

1490
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: multi decade effort to conflate any criticism of the Israeli government,

1491
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: of the occupation, of the blockade, of Zionism, the political

1492
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: project of Zionism, and to paint that as anti Semitic,

1493
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: which is not accurate whatsoever. You can be critical of

1494
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: a government, you can be critical of, you know, Zionism

1495
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: is a political ideology. You can be critical of a

1496
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: political ideology. Himself, he says he's a Zionist, he's not Jewish.

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Speaker 1: So you can be a Zionist and be Jewish or

1498
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 1: not be Jewish. You can be an opponent of Zionism

1499
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: and be Jewish or not be Jewish, et cetera. So

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Speaker 1: to conflate those things with just being against the Jewish

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01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: people and being an anti Semite is just wrong, it's

1502
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: just inaccurate, it's not correct.

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01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 5: But there has been a long term project.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I just saw another clip of the guy from

1505
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: the ADL saying, you know, we should all see that's

1506
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: very clear now that criticism of Zionism is anti Semitism. No,

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Speaker 1: one hundred one million percent reject that. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: mean the beginning, in the early days of Zionism, there

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 1: were all kinds of competing ideological camps among the Jewish

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Speaker 1: people about whether or not they supported Zionism, about the

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01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: different types of Zionism, about the way it should be effectuated.

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Speaker 1: So there's been a long vibrant political debate around the

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01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: political ideology of Zionism. You can't take that off the table.

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Speaker 1: And if you're painting people who have a critique of

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: that as extremists or radicals or terrorists or you know,

1516
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: need to be tracked by the federal government like this is.

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01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: This is incredibly terrifying and again really encompasses a broad

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01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: swath of the American public who don't agree with the

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: Biden administration's opposition to a ceasfire. Two thirds of Americans

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Speaker 1: and eighty percent of Democrats support a ceasefire so are

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: they extremists those two thirds of Americans that you know

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: the Biden White House previously labeled as repugnant for supporting

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: a ceasefire. You mentioned the McCarthyite climate. I think that

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01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: is incredibly accurate. Every day we get more and more instances.

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01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: Usually we don't cover them every day because it would

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: just get tedious because there's so many of them. But

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Speaker 1: we'll give you a couple of examples here, This one

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01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: flagged by our own Ryan Graham of Counterpoints, and of

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Speaker 1: course of the intercept put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: We have a Providence City councilman, Miguel Sanchez, who was

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: fired from the Governor's staff. So he's a councilman and he

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Speaker 1: also worked for thement governor where he worked in constituent services.

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 1: After introducing a resolution condemning terrorism and ethnic clean past

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01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: unanimalists unanimously posting about attending a pro Palestine rally. His

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01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: post also called for an immediate ceasefire and condemned all

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01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: attacks on civilians. He was fired on Friday, with his

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01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 1: public comments sited as the reason for the firing, and sager,

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01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: just to like be sure, I went back and looked

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01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: at all of his public posts on Twitter, and it's

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01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: very like nothing he says should in my opinion, you

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 1: can be controversial just about like protecting civilian life. And

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: yes he is very sympathetic to Palestinians and their humanity

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01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: as well. But he's fired for his job for posting

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01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: just you know, sort of basic political statements, which of

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01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: course as a city councilman and someone who's also a

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01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: public figure, I mean that is also part of what

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01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: he is elected to do.

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, I also looked at it and

1549
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 2: tried to make sure it's like he didn't say anything

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01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: like Harvard esque or anything.

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't like there was no Gohams. It was

1552
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: always very careful to abhor the loss of civilian life,

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: no matter whether it was Israelian Palestine.

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: Obviously the gov can have whoever he wants on staff,

1555
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 2: so whatever. But it's obvious also like where this is

1556
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: coming from, and I do think it is really dumb.

1557
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 2: I again, you know, come back to the architecture of

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01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: the post nine to eleven movement. I would recommend people

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: go watch Glenn Greenwall had a great segment about Fire

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01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: and the First Amendment Organization where Fire who really is

1561
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 2: like taking up the mantle of what the aco you

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 2: used to be. Has been coming out very hard against

1563
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 2: some of these has been coming out very hard against

1564
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 2: things like this and other censorship efforts that have been proliferating.

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 2: So I recommend that people go and look at some

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01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: of their statements and Glenn as well, who did some

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01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 2: work on this, because I think it's now more critical

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: than ever, even if you disagree. I mean, some of

1569
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 2: these people think people are crazy, but it doesn't matter.

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01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: It's like, that's not what the point of all of

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01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 2: this is. And I think it's very sad to watch

1572
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: as people are as people are embracing all this and

1573
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,959
Speaker 2: really frankly undermining a lot of the free speech groundwork

1574
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: that's been laid over time.

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and move on to

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: Iowa here, and a new poll that came out is

1577
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 1: pretty interesting in terms of where the Republican race is at.

1578
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen from Steve Kornaki,

1579
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: the very latest here. Go ahead and put the poll

1580
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: numbers and e one up on the screen. So Trump

1581
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: is basically the same forty three percent doing just fine

1582
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: and dandy there in Iowa. DeSantis not doing so well,

1583
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: drop down three points to sixteen percent. He's now tied

1584
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: with Nikki Haley, who has searched ten points to sixteen percent.

1585
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: She was the big mover in terms of this poll.

1586
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: Next is Tim Scott is seven percent, Chris Christy four percent,

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: Vivike Ramaswami four percent, Doug Burgham three percent, and Asa

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: Hutchinson at one percent.

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 5: But a lot of.

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: People noted it if you dig into the data. One

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01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: of the things that was interesting here is while Vivik

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01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: has remained static in terms of his overall percentage of support,

1593
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: his favorables have taken a massive hit. Put this up

1594
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: on the screen from Dave Weigel. He says his Iowa's

1595
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: fade is notable. No change in overall supports in summer,

1596
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: but negatives way up from twenty to thirty seven percent.

1597
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: Biggest jump in unfavorables of any GOP candidate. And uh saga.

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01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: I saw our great friend Marshall making some phenomenal points

1599
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: about this, but basically like the more he did podcasts

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01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,799
Speaker 1: and the more people got to know him, the less

1601
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: they wanted.

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 5: To know him.

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,839
Speaker 2: That's probably I wonder how much of it is podcast

1604
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 2: I wonder of it how much honestly came off from

1605
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: the debate and just the the what did the gen

1606
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 2: zs call it? Pick me syndrome? Pick me girl or

1607
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: pick me guy? Now people have accused me of being

1608
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 2: a pickmy guy before really amanly reject said analysis. But

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01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: my point is that I believe, I believe that that

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: is the way that the vernacular would apply as in

1611
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 2: trying to put yourself at the center of attention. There

1612
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 2: are a couple of mistakes. The big mistake I think

1613
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 2: that he made is it's clear that the second lane

1614
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: in the Republican Party is not to be a Trump defender.

1615
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 2: It is to be like the moderate it girl, which

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 2: explains Nicki Haley, which is Look, the vast majority of

1617
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 2: Republicans support Trump. The vast majority of Republicans support Trump,

1618
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: like policy and all that, but there's a small little

1619
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: percentage which doesn't. And it's clear that that small little

1620
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 2: percentage likes old GOP. So the bet by DeSantis, by

1621
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: Ramaswami and others was that this number two lane could

1622
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: exist where you are somehow a Trump alternative, but you're

1623
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: supportive of Trump. But it's just very clear that if

1624
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,679
Speaker 2: people want Trump or anything to do with him, they're

1625
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 2: going to pick him. For people who want DeSantis, it's

1626
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 2: still going to be the vast majority of people who

1627
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: may feel affectionately about Trump but want to move on

1628
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: from him. And then that whatever group is left, those

1629
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 2: are just going to be very traditional Nicky Haley style

1630
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 2: suburban Republican voters, the very traditional you know, a small

1631
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: business owner, pro Israel, mostly boomers, let's be honest, and

1632
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 2: she's like made in a lab, I think for them.

1633
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I just don't

1634
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: think his political lane existed. I'm not even quite sure

1635
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 2: how much any of it had to do. I just

1636
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 2: think that when is unfavored went up, it's going to

1637
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 2: be really amongst that group of who the only people

1638
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: who exist were anti Trump or even up for grabs,

1639
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: like that's who they are. And of course they're going

1640
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: to find anything that he says repellent because he's such

1641
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: a big defender of them.

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01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a lot to that.

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: I think you're also right that that first debate, which

1644
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: he was very divisive in and some people liked it,

1645
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: and clearly a lot of people like it, didn't say

1646
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: well with them, and he even kind of showed his

1647
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: hand when in the second debate he came out and

1648
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: was like, I know a lot of people thinking that

1649
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it all, smart ass. You literally gave

1650
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: up the game of I got some feedback back and

1651
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: y'all really didn't like that much how I was, and

1652
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: he tried to sort of be more subdued than that

1653
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: second debate. That was a tell that under the surface

1654
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: of the initial positive reviews there were some problems in

1655
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: terms of Haley. Just to you know, make the case

1656
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: for some possible Trump alternative, which you guys know I

1657
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 1: have never really believed in, but I'll go ahead and

1658
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: try to make the case. You just had Mike Pence

1659
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: drop out, DeSantis is fading, does he ultimately drop out?

1660
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 1: You could imagine a coalessing basically around Nicky Haley before

1661
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 1: you get to the caucuses. And Trump support is pretty solid.

1662
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: Sixty three percent of Trump supporters say their minds are

1663
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,480
Speaker 1: already one hundred percent made up and they will definitely

1664
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: back him. But you know that means forty percent of

1665
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: them are still kind of in the market and chopping

1666
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: around and considering. And if you have this huge coalescing

1667
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: around Nicky Haley from all of the other candidates and

1668
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:31,959
Speaker 1: a lot of media outlets.

1669
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 4: Who knows.

1670
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 5: Maybe again I don't really see it, but you never know.

1671
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: That's the best case I can possibly make for her.

1672
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: We also, though, could not resist the real news and

1673
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: the really important stuff today, which is there is long

1674
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned it on this show yet.

1675
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: To be clear, we never brought it up. It's been

1676
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 2: foisted upon us and we just have chosen to take it.

1677
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: But I have been privately consuming this content. There is

1678
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: a whole conspiracy, which I would one might say it's

1679
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: more of like a.

1680
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 5: Confirmed fact at this point.

1681
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: What I want's call it consc a discussion of debate

1682
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: over whether Ron DeSantis is secretly wearing high heels with

1683
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: these like custom made boots with like a heel lift inside,

1684
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: and there's so much evidence online. If you look at

1685
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: these pictures, you're like, no one's feet are shaped this way?

1686
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 5: Why are you walking like this? Why are you sitting

1687
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 5: like this?

1688
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 13: Like?

1689
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Why do you always wear these ugly ass weird boots.

1690
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 5: So he was.

1691
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: Confronted on this allegation on the PVD podcast with Patrick

1692
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: Batt David. Let's take a listen how that went.

1693
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 13: I'm sure your marketing team points out how they're trying

1694
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 13: to troll you in the marketplace. Okay, I'm sure they're

1695
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 13: doing that. Can you bring this one clip? I know

1696
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 13: you were on what do you call it?

1697
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 3: On? What was it?

1698
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 13: Bill Maher and Bill Maher talked about the boots. I've

1699
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 13: seen you walk with these boots. Gohead and play this

1700
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 13: clip this on TikTok went viral. It doesn't have a

1701
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 13: million views, it doesn't have you know, ten million views.

1702
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 13: This thing's got one point two million life and and

1703
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 13: some people are wondering.

1704
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 14: How do they I don't even know. I haven't seen that.

1705
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 13: What there's They have not shown this to you, Okay.

1706
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 13: What they're trying to say with this is that in

1707
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 13: your boots you have heels.

1708
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 14: No, no, no, those are just standard off the rack.

1709
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 14: Luke Casey, how governor eleven.

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 13: Five to eleven? Okay, why don't you wear tennis shoes

1711
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 13: and dress shoes?

1712
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 14: I do wear tennis shoes when I work out. Yeah

1713
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 14: you do.

1714
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 6: Okay.

1715
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: I got a gift for you.

1716
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 6: I'd love for you to wear. Okay.

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01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 13: I shop at Fergamo.

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01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 14: Okay, I don't accept gifts. I can't accept that.

1719
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 5: So brutal your reaction, I mean you will deny it.

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean, look, the issue is that,

1721
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 2: given the analysis of the walking and of the way

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 2: that I've also seen his boot placed whenever he's sitting,

1723
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 2: it shows still like an elevated calf as if he's

1724
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 2: wearing a heel.

1725
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 4: I have to come down on the side of heel up.

1726
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 2: The only way that it is possible is I'm on

1727
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: the Lukezy website and I believe I'm looking at the

1728
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 2: exact model that DeSantis has and in it it does

1729
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: have like a semi substantial heel lift to it. Okay,

1730
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: so it's like a little bit of a heel. I mean,

1731
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm wearing dress boots right now, for example, just so

1732
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: we can put these where Okay, all right, let me

1733
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: cut to it and like, which way will it actually

1734
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: show it?

1735
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 6: Like this?

1736
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 13: There?

1737
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 4: There?

1738
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 5: There you go, right.

1739
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 9: All right, all right.

1740
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 5: On the desk as he copped in this once.

1741
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: All right, three two one, So I'm wearing dress boots,

1742
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: like for example, people can see there is like a

1743
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: slight heel that is on there.

1744
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 4: But when I walk, if I were to.

1745
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 2: Stand up right now, like you can look at my

1746
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: calves and like I'm still able to stand up completely right.

1747
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: So that is why you know even when I do,

1748
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: Because that's why I had to test out. I don't

1749
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: actually often wear dress boots. I just got these, so

1750
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, maybe it's like a dress boot thing,

1751
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: but I don't think so. And I've looked also, so

1752
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: Marshall actually at his wedding he wore cowboy boots with

1753
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 2: this suit, and he also didn't look like and I

1754
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: believe there's simply I don't think it's the same thing

1755
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:20,919
Speaker 2: they're to Covis.

1756
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 4: But in terms of the.

1757
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: Heel lift, whenever we were like, his gait did not

1758
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 2: appear to do the same thing. So, based upon my

1759
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: anecdotal evidence, my own personal experience, and from the videos,

1760
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 2: I have no choice but to conclude that he is

1761
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: likely wearing some sort of heel lift.

1762
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I assembled a little bit. There's tons of

1763
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: evidence in addition to this online, but I did assemble

1764
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of my own evidence to present to

1765
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: the audience. Go and put this up on the screen.

1766
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: So this is DeSantis walking. Why are you walking like?

1767
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 5: That's not weird? It is way to walk, So.

1768
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Why are you walking in this strange way? All right,

1769
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: all right, go to the next video. This is a guy.

1770
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: The next video is of a man wearing heels who

1771
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,520
Speaker 1: is not used to wearing heels, and it's a very

1772
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: similar gait.

1773
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 5: Is it not to me?

1774
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: This is very persuasive and compelling evidence that there is

1775
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: something going on with the boots. Now, Kyle and I

1776
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: have been having this ongoing debate. Obviously it's a look,

1777
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous thing, and sirey, you can go through

1778
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: the history, because we're looking at it. There have not

1779
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: really been short presents, at least in modern history, so

1780
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: it's not like it's an illegitimate concern. But Kyle and

1781
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: I have been debating, like, obviously it's a ridiculous thing

1782
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 1: to do in the first place.

1783
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 5: But let's assume you did it.

1784
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: You read the stats, who were like, okay, there are

1785
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: no US presidents who are short. I got to add

1786
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: at least like three inches here to my game or

1787
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: else there's no way I'm going to win. So you

1788
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,879
Speaker 1: do it and you get caught, do you just continue

1789
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: the liar?

1790
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 5: Do you come clean?

1791
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 4: You gotta lie?

1792
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: You take it to the grave. You maintain your five

1793
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: to eleven until the death. We're all professional liars anyway,

1794
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 2: who cares, you know, it's like, and who's really gonna

1795
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: ever find out about it? And also to your point,

1796
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 2: so I've got the history and the data in front

1797
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 2: of me, it is an existential crisis for him to

1798
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 2: even be five eleven the only.

1799
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: President there is no way, it's not a chance.

1800
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: The only president in the modern era to be under

1801
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 2: five foot eleven and a half is Jimmy Carter. And actually,

1802
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 2: this is what's really crazy. Even in times when malnutrition

1803
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: in this country was rampant, we still mostly picked tall presidents.

1804
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: And our tallest president ever is Abraham Lincoln. Obviously he

1805
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: grew up what you know, the whole story of the

1806
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: log cabin in the eighteen thirties is like you think

1807
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,040
Speaker 2: he was getting fed well, George, I actually didn't even

1808
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 2: know this. George Washington was six foot one and a half.

1809
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: That's actually the same height as I am. People like

1810
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: Chester Arthur six ' to two, Thomas Jefferson six foot

1811
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 2: two inches and a half. I mean, at that time,

1812
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: you know, to grow that big, that is very very atypical.

1813
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 2: But even six foot guys like James Monroe, John Tyler,

1814
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: James Buchanan, James Garfield Warren G.

1815
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 4: Har Arding.

1816
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 2: Gerald Ford was six foot Joe Biden is six foot.

1817
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: Trump is actually our third tallest president ever. He was

1818
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: six foot three lbj six foot three and a half.

1819
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 2: And as I said, the only president of the modern

1820
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: era to be below five foot eleven and a half,

1821
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: which was George W. Bush, to be clear, is Jimmy Carter,

1822
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: who came in in five foot nine and a half. Also,

1823
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: that's why previously I've been talking about Mike Johnson and

1824
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: I was like, man, he's only five eight. This is

1825
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, look, don't hate the player, hate

1826
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 2: the game. It's like most people who make it to

1827
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 2: the very very top of American politics are pretty tall.

1828
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: You don't don't you know, don't blame me for that.

1829
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 2: That just appears to be the way that voters respond.

1830
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: There's probably a lot of ingrained bias and all these

1831
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 2: other things that obviously all throughout history has applied to

1832
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 2: our politics.

1833
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: It's very clear, Well, there is something helpful about this,

1834
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,759
Speaker 1: which is that pee Butooter Juge's five foot eight according

1835
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: to him, there we go not even me that, so

1836
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: that makes me helpful. Perhaps he will never be president.

1837
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: So that's one glimmer on the side of the bias

1838
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: against short people here.

1839
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 5: But you know, Desantist could have owned this.

1840
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: He could have been a trailblazer, an icon for short

1841
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: men everywhere. Instead, he's you know, decided to go in

1842
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: this much more shameful, humiliating, embarrassing direction. The other thing

1843
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I had to note about the clip too of him

1844
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,879
Speaker 1: with Patrick Patt David is like there's.

1845
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 5: Not even a hint of a smile.

1846
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, Well that's a political skill exactly.

1847
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's the other issue is like I actually

1848
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 1: think a more skillful politician could have handled this in

1849
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: a way that was charming, that was funny, et cetera.

1850
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, he doesn't crack a smile. Also, you're

1851
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: totally when you say like, oh, I never saw anything

1852
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: about this, you are such a liar. You want of

1853
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: course you've seen something about That's like, it's impossible, it is.

1854
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: There is no way that you have not seen this.

1855
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,639
Speaker 4: These are so self obsessed.

1856
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: There's just so obviously looking at whatever is.

1857
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: Also, if you had genuinely not seen it, then you

1858
01:29:58,600 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't have reacted in this way.

1859
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 5: You would have been like, what what is it? What

1860
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 5: are they saying, you know, like, what are there.

1861
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: Here's what he would have done if it was for

1862
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: real and he really wasn't wearing them, he would have

1863
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 2: taken off his boots live on the air and kind

1864
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 2: of done something like I just didn't be like, you

1865
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 2: see anything right, and that actually would have settled it

1866
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 2: for all time.

1867
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 4: I also think, well, here's okay, let me say this.

1868
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: Just because it's a men's wear thing, this is one

1869
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: of the reasons why it's pretty difficult actually to wear

1870
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 2: cowboy boots with a suit. The issues of those cowboy

1871
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 2: bits are very tall, and unless you have like perfectly trailered,

1872
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: perfectly tailored trousers, it's going to be difficult for you

1873
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 2: to achieve perfect fit. Even the boots that I'm wearing

1874
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: right now, like I have those things that are on

1875
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: the side which help you kind of put them on.

1876
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: These are Chelsea boots. They sometimes interfere with the pants.

1877
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 2: So actually Patrick is right, just wear dress shoes. It's

1878
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: an easy way to actually solve all of this. And

1879
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 2: also just so you know, you you can get dress

1880
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 2: shoes with lifts in them, or you can get dress

1881
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: shoes which have a little bit more of a heel.

1882
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:55,719
Speaker 2: A lot of guys do that he doesn't.

1883
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 5: Went a little bit more.

1884
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: Well, then that's that's in the He was a like.

1885
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 5: At least three inches to what he's got going on.

1886
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 2: So I come down on the side off he's wearing

1887
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: heel lifts. Also for anyone who's like, why are you

1888
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 2: even covering this? Guys, we need to have some fun

1889
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 2: in our lives. Okay, this is this is the fun

1890
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 2: that we get to. We get to have the viral

1891
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 2: tiktoks and all that. It basically convinced me if I

1892
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: ever meet him, I'll probably have a chance, you know,

1893
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 2: at least in the next year or so.

1894
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna scope it out and see how Tali actually is.

1895
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:23,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely.

1896
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1897
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: Another thought I had is didn't he play on the

1898
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: like Harvard baseball team or something.

1899
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1900
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,480
Speaker 5: I wonder what they listed.

1901
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 1: His height at, which usually sports sports, Yeah, sports statistics

1902
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: are usually inflated, you know anyway, so if they weren't

1903
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: even listening him at five to eleven, then you know,

1904
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: he's like usually they.

1905
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 5: Add like a couple of inches to whatever they claim.

1906
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 4: The heights in of the Yale baseball team.

1907
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. Yale, Harvard, whatever, It's all the same.

1908
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: So anyway, that would be another avenue of investigation for

1909
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 1: any sluice out there that that did occur to me,

1910
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: but I was too lazy.

1911
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 5: To actually pursue.

1912
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, Okay, time to make the

1913
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: heart art ist turn in history from Rhonda Santis's Hill

1914
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: lifts two matters of literal life and death and the

1915
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 1: human beings who are suffering in the midst of what

1916
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: is happening in Israel and in Gaza.

1917
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and get to our guest, Gilly Robin.

1918
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 2: Joining us now is Gilly Roman. He is the brother

1919
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: of missing Israeli citizen Yard and his sister. He's in

1920
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 2: Washington to bring awareness about Israeli hostages and in order

1921
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 2: to make sure that we keep the spotlight on them. So, Gilly,

1922
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: we are so honored to have you here in the studio.

1923
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. Thank you so Gilly, you're

1924
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 2: here in Washington. We were connected through some mutual friends,

1925
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 2: and I was told that you're here in order to

1926
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 2: raise awareness about the hostages. So just tell us about

1927
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 2: why you've decided to make this trip here to Washington.

1928
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 2: What you want people to know and what you want

1929
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 2: people to know about your sister.

1930
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 6: As well as you say it is about awareness.

1931
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 15: It's crucial for us that the American people will not

1932
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 15: only stay bierside, that will stay stand with us. And

1933
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 15: for that it's important and even vital for me, first

1934
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 15: of all to share this our specific human story as

1935
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 15: a representative of over two hundred associating stories of innocent

1936
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 15: civilians being held hostage inside of Gaza by Ramas, and

1937
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Speaker 15: also to expand the explanation of why is it a

1938
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Speaker 15: shared story, why this attack is not only on us,

1939
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 15: but it's also on our shared values on the Western world.

1940
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Speaker 15: This is something that it's important for me to lay

1941
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 15: out and explain. And this is why I've been to Berlin. Also,

1942
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 15: my sister is a German citizen. Alongside her is a

1943
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 15: residentship show. We've been to Berlin and I extend this

1944
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 15: message message as well over there, and now I'm doing

1945
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 15: it here.

1946
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: Kelly, if you don't mind, can you share what unfolded

1947
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: that led to you know your sister being missing and

1948
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: you expect being held hostage by her.

1949
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 15: Yes, so, my sister and her husband alone and my niece,

1950
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 15: her daughter Gef and she's three and a half years old,

1951
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 15: went to visit alone's family in Kyboots, Perry. They by

1952
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 15: the way, they lived there as a family for almost

1953
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 15: four years, and they just left two months ago because

1954
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 15: then was not willing to stand the routine, as we

1955
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 15: call it, of piecel attacks over the heads of her

1956
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 15: and her family and her young daughter. So they just left.

1957
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Speaker 15: The Keyboots are very lovely Keyboots, a very peaceful Keyboots,

1958
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 15: except from the fact that it's been attacked.

1959
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 6: Every now and then. But they went to visit.

1960
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 15: We just finished a family trip in South Africa, all

1961
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 15: of us together in a small caravan. We came back

1962
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 15: on Friday and they went to Shabad dinner and on

1963
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 15: Saturday morning, the Alams woke all of us up in

1964
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 15: Tel Aviv in the south and they went to the shelter.

1965
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 15: We exchended some messages, very worried about her. Initially the

1966
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 15: regular warris and then it expanded when we saw pictures

1967
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 15: of terrorists inside with jeeps. Armed terrorists in different cities

1968
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 15: around the Kaza border. We understand that their cuboots might

1969
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 15: might also been infiltrated, and it did. Last correspondent was

1970
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 15: at ten am, and we know that around ten twenty

1971
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 15: they were abducted from their home. Her firstly Alan's mother,

1972
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 15: Geffriend's grandmother, was taken outside of their home. We saw

1973
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 15: it because Hamas published the video of her being taken

1974
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 15: alongside with three other civilians outside of the outs of

1975
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 15: their houses. It was kind of like a calm walk,

1976
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 15: so we said, maybe they are being gathered collected. But

1977
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 15: a few days later we saw the continuation of this video,

1978
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 15: so it on Instagram. Then Habas publish the four civilians

1979
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 15: dead on the ground in their own pool of blood.

1980
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 15: This is how we found out she was murdered. That

1981
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 15: was confirmed a few days afterwards by the Israeli authorities. Afterwards,

1982
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 15: his sister Carmel was taken and she's also been probably

1983
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 15: held hostage in Gaza. And then then alone and Geffen

1984
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 15: were taken together, put inside of Mitsubishi with four armed

1985
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 15: terrorists and a driver, taken towards Gaza. And what happened

1986
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 15: is they decided to escape. They decided to run away

1987
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 15: from a moving car. They seized an opportunity where the

1988
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 15: terrorists took off the car for a few minutes, leaving

1989
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 15: them with only the driver driving towards Kaza. They just

1990
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 15: jumped off. Geffen was in the hands of my sister.

1991
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 15: They started to run for their lives. Then the terrorists

1992
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 15: noticed them started to run after them, shooting in them.

1993
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 15: And at that point he then realized that it's not

1994
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 15: efficient enough when she's holding Geffen, and she decided to

1995
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 15: let go of the most pressure thing in her life.

1996
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 15: I'm sure that many people will understand and relate. Gave

1997
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 15: her too alone and he was able to run faster

1998
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 15: to find a hiding spot. He hid there with Keefen

1999
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:23,879
Speaker 15: for over twelve hours, no food, no water, absolute silence

2000
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 15: with a three year old, and then through dark time

2001
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 15: he started slowly walking in this battlefield full of terrorists.

2002
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 15: Managed to arrive in the morning to the entrance to

2003
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 15: the Kyboots where our troops were already present. And then

2004
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 15: we got a phone call for him explaining what happened,

2005
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 15: because we were, of course worried at home, but hoping

2006
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 15: they were as I said, collected maybe somebody negotiated for them.

2007
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 15: We waited for a call from here then and he

2008
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 15: explained to us what happened, and he told us as

2009
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 15: the last time he saw my sister when they diverted

2010
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:59,799
Speaker 15: after she gave geffen to him and she was stopping

2011
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 15: to hide behind the tree from the bullets. So this

2012
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 15: is what we know for sure that happened. The other

2013
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 15: information that we have is just once I ended this

2014
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 15: conversation and I.

2015
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 6: Have to go to Bery to the battlefield and look

2016
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 6: for her.

2017
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 15: So I just put my uniform on I'm an officer

2018
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 15: in reserve and got into our family car straight to

2019
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 15: the battlefield and just day after they worked with our

2020
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 15: troops on the ground, the units after Union, because they

2021
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,439
Speaker 15: replaced almost on a daily half daily basis, to inform them,

2022
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 15: to explain to them, to convince them to come with

2023
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 15: me to find the special union, the special trackers that

2024
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:46,120
Speaker 15: will help us. The area and the kits were liberate

2025
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 15: only on Tuesday, so only on Tuesday and Wednesday we

2026
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,679
Speaker 15: will be able to do extensive searches, not just one

2027
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,839
Speaker 15: hour two hour searches. So the last search was almost

2028
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 15: five hours. It was very extensive with the trekkers and

2029
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 15: they came to the conclusion according to the footsteps that

2030
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 15: they that witness around the area of the tree. Because

2031
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 15: I also asked Alan to come back again and find

2032
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 15: the exact treach and he found it. Just imagine that

2033
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 15: he had to come back to the place where he

2034
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 15: was running from. So they concluded that she was taken

2035
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 15: again into Gaza, most probably without a fight, which is

2036
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 15: very courageous of my sister. She's a very wise person.

2037
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 15: So I guess that when she understood that she cannot

2038
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 15: run away, she just went with them because we didn't.

2039
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 15: We didn't find any signs of blood or injury or struggle.

2040
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 15: And we really hope that she is there. It's a

2041
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 15: very twisted hope, but this is the hope that we have.

2042
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 6: It, Yeah, the best that we can have.

2043
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,759
Speaker 15: That she is in the hands of probably the most brutal,

2044
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 15: in humane people on earth right now, but they have

2045
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:01,680
Speaker 15: her life at their hands inside of Gaza, and we

2046
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 15: hope that she's healthy and relatively safe. And it's more

2047
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 15: than three weeks we are we're soon going to get

2048
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 15: to four weeks without my sister, without any knowledge of her,

2049
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 15: without any sign of life, any sign of her health.

2050
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 15: So also the sense of urgency is something that it's

2051
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:24,719
Speaker 15: important for me to convey.

2052
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. And so what can have you received

2053
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: communication from the Israeli government on this? Have they been

2054
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 2: able to tell you anything about that? And how has

2055
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 2: that process been I know there's been you know, we

2056
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 2: can only read in our you know, the English media

2057
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: and Israel. There's been some I know, some tension with that.

2058
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Maybe you could speak to that firsthand. Our audience would

2059
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 2: certainly love to hear from me.

2060
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 15: So in terms of information specifically to our case, the

2061
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 15: information that the authority have and the military, it's the

2062
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 15: information that we gave them.

2063
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 6: We were much more informed than them.

2064
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 15: There are some people who are the idea has more

2065
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 15: information with different sources. We will not elaborate, not in

2066
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 15: the case of my sister, and we are really hoping

2067
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 15: and looking forward to get some information. And I trust

2068
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 15: that they're doing their utmost best. I know that they

2069
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 15: invest a lot of efforts in order to get some proof,

2070
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 15: but it's extremely difficult. You need to understand that it's

2071
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 15: not the situation that everyone were captured together, being held

2072
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 15: together and being taken care of together. It's probably very scattered,

2073
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 15: not all of them in the hands of Haramas. My

2074
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 15: sister is most probably in the hands of Haramas because

2075
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 15: we know which unit, let's say, took them, because they

2076
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 15: identify themselves. But this is more or less what we know,

2077
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 15: and obviously the lack of information and the helplessness is

2078
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 15: the most excruciating part of this all.

2079
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, Yeah, it's a night that you're living

2080
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: right now. I can't even imagine when you have seen

2081
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 1: there have been a few hostages that have been released.

2082
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,839
Speaker 1: There have been a few hostage videos that have been released,

2083
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, obviously under draws from hamas a new one

2084
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 1: just came out yesterday. As a matter of fact, what

2085
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: are the emotions or what are you feeling when you're

2086
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: seeing these pieces of information lead down?

2087
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 15: So I would say it's contradicting emotions. So on the

2088
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 15: one hand, I'm very happy, not for me, but just

2089
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 15: for them, just to see people. I think everybody should

2090
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,919
Speaker 15: be happy when you see people, innocent people being rescued

2091
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 15: and getting back to their families reunited. And that helped

2092
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 15: me to imagine me reuniting with my sister and you

2093
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 15: see that time. It's hard for me not to smile

2094
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 15: when I'm when I'm thinking about it, to think about

2095
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 15: her and Gift and reuniting again those two who were

2096
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 15: almost inseparable. On the other hand, I think we are

2097
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 15: going through a continuous terror attacks things that day, and

2098
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 15: part of this terror horrific experience that we have is

2099
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:10,719
Speaker 15: the manipulation made by Hamas. So I see this release,

2100
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 15: this video alongside with a press release and different twisted

2101
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 15: information that maybe there is an exchange, maybe there will

2102
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 15: be a humanitary gesture, maybe today fifty people, maybe to

2103
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 15: day ten people. All of this I consider as severe

2104
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 15: manipulation that's opposed to extend the terror that we are

2105
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 15: experiencing as family and in general as Israelis and around

2106
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 15: the Western world. So I really try not to raise

2107
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 15: hopes regarding this incident, to be.

2108
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 6: Glad for the people who got the people alive.

2109
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 15: But also to remember that it doesn't say a lot

2110
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 15: about my sister, because at the same it does say

2111
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 15: that maybe this is our hope that she's been treated

2112
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 15: as they are treated. But we also know that Haramas

2113
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 15: can treat different people in the diferent ways. So when

2114
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:06,560
Speaker 15: we when we imagine that maybe she has a relatively

2115
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 15: safe day and being treated like we know that some

2116
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 15: of the hostes that have been released are treated.

2117
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 6: I the same.

2118
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 15: The same chances are that she's been beating every day

2119
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 15: God for being raped or tortured or whatever you can

2120
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 15: there is. There isn't any horror I know that we

2121
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 15: are right now on the verge of of Halloween. Yeah,

2122
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 15: it's a horror, So this there isn't a horror that

2123
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 15: we can imagine that that is that is out of

2124
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 15: the question with Hamas So for me in terms of

2125
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 15: my hopes and what I conclude from that, I try

2126
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 15: not to conclude anything because this is just a twisted

2127
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 15: game that I really try and it's very hard, but

2128
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 15: I'm trying to hold myself not to play to their hands.

2129
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,879
Speaker 4: Of course, yeah, I can. It must be so difficult

2130
01:44:58,960 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 4: if you do.

2131
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 2: You have confidence right now that the government is doing

2132
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 2: everything possible. When you're here in Washington, are you going

2133
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 2: to be meeting any lawmakers or you know, any other

2134
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 2: decision makers and other thing. What's what's your message to

2135
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,719
Speaker 2: them about how you want us to be resolved?

2136
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 15: Yes, of course, so it's hard to say if they're

2137
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 15: doing everything possible. But I'm more reassured in the last

2138
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 15: few days, at least from the side of the right

2139
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,599
Speaker 15: government that they invest more and to put it more

2140
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,680
Speaker 15: in a top priority. I think it's also related to

2141
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 15: the change of government that we had. What happened is that,

2142
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 15: as you probably know, we had a very right wing government,

2143
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 15: the most right wing government that we ever had. And

2144
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 15: also some of the ministers in that government expressed their

2145
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 15: let's say lack of I wouldn't say empathy, but lack

2146
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 15: of attention towards the hostages issue. Put in first the

2147
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 15: need of victory, which I and dismantal of Haramas and

2148
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 15: taken out of which we all agree upon. I think

2149
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 15: everybody understand it has to happen. They have to pay

2150
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 15: the utmost price for for these atrocities.

2151
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 15: But there they were kind of voices saying that we

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Speaker 15: should not take into consideration the houses will we will

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Speaker 15: deal with them after the war will be over, which

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Speaker 15: is completely unacceptable. And I think that now after some

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Speaker 15: more moderate, more moderate kinnessed members party UH enter the government,

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Speaker 15: I feel that there is a little bit of shift,

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Speaker 15: but maybe just the shift the shift of time and

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Speaker 15: and the way that they decided to certainly conduct this issue.

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Speaker 15: So I don't know how to read into it, but

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Speaker 15: but I think that the day is already going to

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Speaker 15: invest in more. And also I'm being asked a lot

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Speaker 15: about the ground invasion and the and uh. So I

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Speaker 15: think that currently Israel is working in a pretty calculative manner,

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Speaker 15: not letting Hamas decide what should we do and when

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Speaker 15: should we do and on the other side, not doing

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Speaker 15: things that are irrepairable it's hard to get back then

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Speaker 15: are too dangerous for our people. I'm watching very closely,

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Speaker 15: very carefully, and i want to say that one of

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Speaker 15: the things that are also reassuring is the commitment that

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Speaker 15: we see by the US, also by Germany and some

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Speaker 15: other Western actors, very firm commitment not only to the

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Speaker 15: general issue, but specifically to the hosted issues. And for me,

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Speaker 15: it's vital to be here to talk to you and

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Speaker 15: to the public, but also to different officials and politicians

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Speaker 15: in order to remain this issue a top priority for

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Speaker 15: all of them, not just because they are American or

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Speaker 15: German citizens, just because they are human beings, people, people

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Speaker 15: we are talking about over thirty kids, help their babies,

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Speaker 15: elderly people, ill people, women of course mothers. This is

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Speaker 15: something that nobody should accept and I'm saying it over

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Speaker 15: and over again. This is the case study of terrorism.

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Speaker 6: There they are.

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Speaker 15: We are just the guinea pigs of the West at

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Speaker 15: the moment, and they watching closely what is being tolerated

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Speaker 15: by the West, what is not being tolerated by the ways.

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Speaker 6: What is the price price egg of it?

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Speaker 15: How much the West is going to accept, fight for

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Speaker 15: the for the release of the hostages. What will be

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Speaker 15: the consequences for Hamas of this kind of uh of behavior?

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Speaker 15: And I think that every single terror organization and terror

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Speaker 15: and terror supporting actors in the world are currently watching

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Speaker 15: all of us, not only as well, all of us

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Speaker 15: trying to see what are we going to do, what

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Speaker 15: are we going to accept, and what we are are

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Speaker 15: we going to accept? So this is really crucial, not

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Speaker 15: just for us. This is why I said I said earlier,

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Speaker 15: it's not just staying by our side, it's stating with us.

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Speaker 1: Gilly, you, in addition to being the brother of Ardan,

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Speaker 1: you've also been peace activists. Has the experience of this

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Speaker 1: whorror change your political views? Has it changed your view

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Speaker 1: of what peace would require and what it.

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Speaker 5: Might look like?

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Speaker 15: So yes and no, I would say I would start

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Speaker 15: with that, Yes, maybe it's easier to comprehend. I invested

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Speaker 15: a lot in peace education. That was my leading role.

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Speaker 15: In my previous job as a head of international boarding

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Speaker 15: school for Peace in Israel, I had a lot of

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Speaker 15: Arab students Palestinians who from the West Bank, from Gaza,

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Speaker 15: from different Muslim countries, alongside Israelis and internationals. I invested

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Speaker 15: a lot in conversation about the conflict and resolution and reconciliation.

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Speaker 15: I think it's vital and I think that we have

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Speaker 15: to seek compromise. What these days taught me reminded me.

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Speaker 15: Let's say, amplified is the thing that cannot be compromised,

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Speaker 15: and the thing that cannot be compromised is the deodistic

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Speaker 15: ambitions to eradicate certain people. Certain state is not by

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Speaker 15: the way, it's not only our state, and it's not

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Speaker 15: only our people and values, and you cannot negotiate. And

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Speaker 15: we did a lot of simulation of negotiation and a

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Speaker 15: lot of conversation, and I hope they will be able

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Speaker 15: to find the ground to do it again, because the

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Speaker 15: Palestinian cause for liberation for independence is a legitimate cause.

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Speaker 15: I have a lot to say about how complex it is,

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Speaker 15: but I think we can all agree it's legitimate that

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Speaker 15: they will seek for it, and they will criticize the

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Speaker 15: Israel for some of the things that we are doing,

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Speaker 15: but the cause for eradication, the killing of people and

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Speaker 15: the ambition to create another Muslim empire without Western values

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Speaker 15: and without burstern people. Let's say it's completely inacceptable and

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Speaker 15: we cannot compromise on that, and that I think really

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Speaker 15: amplified the need to be clear about this distinction, to

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Speaker 15: fight very firmly against the ambition and all the actors

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Speaker 15: that are supporting this ambition. And on the other side,

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Speaker 15: this is the part where my views have not changed, that.

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Speaker 6: We have to still find a way.

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Speaker 15: I honestly don't know how will it be done, to

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Speaker 15: find a way to build trust again, to find a

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Speaker 15: way to deal honestly and patiently with the relevant issues,

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Speaker 15: with the legitimate issues with the conflict, which is very, very,

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Speaker 15: very complex. But I believe that a longer years can

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Speaker 15: be resolved if there will be no integration, very sick

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Speaker 15: integration between the Palestinian cause and the Geodistic cause. As

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Speaker 15: long as this integration is happening, there is nothing to

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Speaker 15: talk about, and the Israeli people will never feel secure,

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Speaker 15: and you will never feel secure, and once it will

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Speaker 15: be diverted, it will be separated. I hope we'll be

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Speaker 15: able to find this kind of solution, and I can

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Speaker 15: say it's a history teacher. In the end, conflicts ends.

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Speaker 15: It's just a matter of whether it's happened in your days,

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Speaker 15: in your children days and your grandchildren days. No conflict

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Speaker 15: less forever, forever. So just what is my ambition that

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Speaker 15: it will happen in our time? But this compromise will

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Speaker 15: have to be a secure compromise, it will have to

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Speaker 15: be a reasonable compromise for.

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Speaker 6: All sites.

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Speaker 15: So as you say it's a complicated answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's unimaginable that you are able to

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Speaker 1: hold on to that hope in this time, and I

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Speaker 1: think that should be a source of inspiration for everyone.

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Speaker 6: And just imagine that.

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Speaker 15: My sister gave Geffen to alone to protect her life,

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Speaker 15: to protect her future. She was willing to do this

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Speaker 15: sacrifice and be separate from her daughter in order to

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Speaker 15: secure her future. So of course I'm very worried about

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Speaker 15: my sister. I want her back, But also I share

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Speaker 15: the same the same goal as as she does, which

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Speaker 15: is to secure the future of my niece, which is

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Speaker 15: composed by these two parts that I told you, which

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Speaker 15: is the radication of the radical geodistic ambitions and trying

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Speaker 15: to find a sort of solution, a sort of path

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Speaker 15: for peace.

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Speaker 6: So I think for me it makes sense.

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Speaker 5: Kelly, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We will pray for you every day and good luck

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Speaker 1: on your trip here. I hope that you know people

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Speaker 1: with power are listening to your message. I hope you

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Speaker 1: guys are listening to this message as well, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be thinking a.

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Speaker 5: Lot about you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Gillie, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 15: I have a good day and thanks to the audience always.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you guys later