Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke Episode one. But I
Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoyed the episode zero Man, it's been
Speaker 1: a tremendous feedback. We love it. We appreciate the support.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it yet, go to Showtime Basketball
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Our first guest All the Smoke, him and
Speaker 1: Jack go way back, the one and only. I've always
Speaker 1: fun with him just because I can tell he's a
Speaker 1: lot like me. Never been teammates, but just always admired
Speaker 1: from a far Man Jr. Man, appreciate you coming to
Speaker 1: appreciate We forgot to do our hand shake too now
Speaker 1: were little close. We ain't said like like can you
Speaker 1: blow on your hands for you? Like God, damn you?
Speaker 1: You know you playing with your nuts to what was
Speaker 1: on Jergons Man, jerks really works okay? Anyway, Man, were
Speaker 1: here the opening night of the season. I mean me
Speaker 1: and Jack talked about this before you got here. There's
Speaker 1: no way you should be sitting here right now. Man,
Speaker 1: what's the latest. What's going on with you? We just
Speaker 1: caught word on on social media that the legs are
Speaker 1: very interesting. You know anything about that? Or I don't? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean I've worked out with him in the summertime,
Speaker 1: playing pick up like we always do, like most of
Speaker 1: us have. And uh, but you know, nobody's ever called
Speaker 1: and you know told me anything. So but right now,
Speaker 1: I just try to stay ready. You know, whenever somebody
Speaker 1: do call, somebody looking for something, I'll be there to
Speaker 1: feel it in. People crack me up because they're like, man,
Speaker 1: you're still working out, Like, yeah, Doc, I gotta first
Speaker 1: of all, I love the game. Second of all, I
Speaker 1: gotta stay healthy for the rest of my life where
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to just go out there and and
Speaker 1: look like a football player. I thought I've done playing
Speaker 1: basketball in my life. That is easy too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we've seen y'all have seen it. I mean we
Speaker 1: come from a different crop though, so I understand when
Speaker 1: you say you really love the game. Like people don't
Speaker 1: understand that. They put their feelings into different situations about
Speaker 1: the game and things you'dn't been through. We haven't been through,
Speaker 1: but they don't understand. We just love the game. We
Speaker 1: love the game but for anything. But but we got
Speaker 1: to the NBA, you know what I'm saying, And that's
Speaker 1: a lost art in the game to there. It's definitely
Speaker 1: loving it different daily you're still working out daily, Okay,
Speaker 1: well you want to. You're one of the people that
Speaker 1: me and Jack thought that kind of started these videos
Speaker 1: of working out with the trainers. You know, I think
Speaker 1: you're one of the first ones that kind of started
Speaker 1: with Chris back in New York. I think you and
Speaker 1: Melo were kind of the first one. Now and now
Speaker 1: it's a it's a regular fixture on Instagram. It's one
Speaker 1: of the dopest ships to watch during the summertime because
Speaker 1: that's a few times where everybody comes together, no matter
Speaker 1: what your team are, who you are, and you're just hooping.
Speaker 1: I think that's some of the best basketball. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: it's crazy because when I did it, it was like
Speaker 1: just showing people like how much I let it game,
Speaker 1: how much I appreciate the game. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: so many people I feel like, yeah, I've been around
Speaker 1: players like oh I need my trainer, I need this person,
Speaker 1: I need that, I need somebody rebound. Bro, you needed
Speaker 1: the basketball and yourself, Like that's how it started. It
Speaker 1: was in the backyard. And I mean luckily I had
Speaker 1: some brothers and stuff like that, my cousins to be around.
Speaker 1: But even when they wasn't there. It was dark by myself.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. Now I actually got a name and
Speaker 1: I could pretty much get into whatever Jim I want.
Speaker 1: What's what's holding you back? Now? Know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is the girls. The cause is that the life is
Speaker 1: like what's holding you back? Now? And so many people
Speaker 1: like and I kind of I'm happy I did it
Speaker 1: because obviously it turns you know, I helped turn it
Speaker 1: into what it is now. Yeah, but now it's like
Speaker 1: you to do now Yeah, now it's like it's doing
Speaker 1: it for cloud now you cloud chasing, not because every
Speaker 1: every player for like this something. I gotta get one
Speaker 1: of those videos to make it look like I'm working
Speaker 1: out to make it like I'm playing with the best guys.
Speaker 1: Then you got guys like you trade young that's really
Speaker 1: doing the work and going there to really get better.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, not just going to be
Speaker 1: seen and it changes because that's how to that's how
Speaker 1: to hear. You think, these kids all they want to
Speaker 1: see is Instagram, then how many likes they get in
Speaker 1: and instead of putting in the work to actually earn it,
Speaker 1: earn it because you know, when what was growing up
Speaker 1: so you gave us a pair of sneakers a team.
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, man, you see, man, what you
Speaker 1: need me to do? And I'm gonna get forty on him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That was that was our
Speaker 1: motivation anyway, to go destroy opponent. But you get a
Speaker 1: pair of sneakers. Now it's like, oh man, I can't
Speaker 1: get on Instagram like Joe big Brook. You you shout
Speaker 1: me out and help me get a blue check, a
Speaker 1: blue check where you can get your own blue check.
Speaker 1: You get a bigger check than the blue check that
Speaker 1: you're worried about. Like, what did you talk to me
Speaker 1: more when you right? Tell me the difference between because
Speaker 1: I was always someone that you. You You were one of
Speaker 1: the most skilled ball handling, off the off the dribble
Speaker 1: shooters the game has ever seen. Like I've seen you
Speaker 1: work out in person, I've seen you just green light,
Speaker 1: but you're someone that bought into your road. Tell me
Speaker 1: what the difference is when you're able just to be
Speaker 1: you in the summertime and then understanding your role. You know,
Speaker 1: I was someone that understood my role. Although I could
Speaker 1: score and do more, I knew what the funk they
Speaker 1: needed me to do. When I did it until I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it no more. You bought into
Speaker 1: a role, but you're someone that is that, you know,
Speaker 1: a legend when it comes to pick up. The thing
Speaker 1: about me was I always that was always my role,
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying. My role was always to come in.
Speaker 1: And you know, up in to the fight in New York,
Speaker 1: I was starting and Mellow was the highest scoreing duo
Speaker 1: in the league at the time. Getting to get into
Speaker 1: the fight. AI come to teage team shake up, you
Speaker 1: go to the bench. I was like, oh, bet, so
Speaker 1: now I could just all I gotta do is score
Speaker 1: and y'all saw and George was like, yeah, just gonna
Speaker 1: score as many points as you want. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, real cool. I'm just going there
Speaker 1: and put put minds up and average eighteen and then
Speaker 1: or whatever the kid and I'm out. And then it
Speaker 1: was like, all right, that came. That became my mentality.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, all right, well, now it
Speaker 1: ain't even about the winner no more. He just wanted
Speaker 1: to go get. He just wanted to get, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it's like I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: I wasn't helping my team because all I gotta do
Speaker 1: is go get my points and then you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you gotta figure the rest out. I gonna
Speaker 1: get thirty, I'm gonna go get eighteen whatever, Chuck gonna
Speaker 1: get his twenty something whatever, Kmark gonna get his twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteen rebounds, MC gonna do what he'd do,
Speaker 1: and then you know we're gonna get to that Western
Speaker 1: Conis final. We couldn't get over the hunt, but that's
Speaker 1: how the season went. How talented was that team? Know you?
Speaker 1: I tell you practice was a movie every day every
Speaker 1: day and it was crazy because Kmark was like this
Speaker 1: is this is right after Kmark current from Jersey, this
Speaker 1: second knee surgery. He came back jumping higher. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: we got MC longest blocking, give me that, give me
Speaker 1: that a R. Then Chauncey came. It was like it
Speaker 1: was it was what held y'all back though, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the West is strong, but was chemistry because I
Speaker 1: know y'all funk with each other, but sometimes that chemistry
Speaker 1: from like I'm working, it just don't work on court
Speaker 1: with it? Was it any of that? What you think
Speaker 1: John heard George wasn't a whole nut, like what was
Speaker 1: it that held you back? Because we had a similar
Speaker 1: situation with the Clippers where we had all the time
Speaker 1: to where we feel like we should have won a championship,
Speaker 1: but we ran into we but it has too much
Speaker 1: as players. As players, we never but I don't think
Speaker 1: I don't think we but it has as players. It
Speaker 1: was just like we weren't. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a mature enough team yet. And I'm saying we we
Speaker 1: had a we had a coach that was able to
Speaker 1: manipulate our minds. So we wanted to mature enough to
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, man, let me high that you such
Speaker 1: as I said this, let me talk to you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean opposed to Oh that's what he said, that's
Speaker 1: how you feel, all right? Bet well, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: my thirty five and or I'm gonna get my Tony
Speaker 1: something and then what I'm saying then it kind of
Speaker 1: it kind of was the gap within everybody into almost
Speaker 1: just get your stats, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's hard because if you're if your main players, isn't
Speaker 1: that mindset and then everybody else I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean don't get me wrong. I love Camar to death
Speaker 1: became not to do is gonna go get thirty or
Speaker 1: night right? You know what I'm saying, And you see
Speaker 1: not due what I'm saying. When this Clayser wasn't that dude.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Dante, you know, we didn't have the
Speaker 1: dudes that was doing that was in that situation where
Speaker 1: it was like we're gonna try. They're so tight, we're
Speaker 1: gonna wear's that friction, you know, Yeah, And that's how
Speaker 1: it kind of infiltrated. And I don't blame I don't
Speaker 1: blame him or them. I blame myself because I wasn't
Speaker 1: just I was still young. I had a ton of money.
Speaker 1: I thought I was like, man, look we're gonna y'all
Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. Obviously, I'm not problem doing what
Speaker 1: I gotta do, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: don't even start. So I don't even know how y'all
Speaker 1: putting it on me saying some days I played some days,
Speaker 1: I don't you know what I'm saying. So it was like,
Speaker 1: once once that came into play, it just toward the
Speaker 1: whole team. What age did you feel like you started
Speaker 1: looking in from a bird's eye view instead of everything
Speaker 1: being real personal. I think when I got to New York.
Speaker 1: When I got to New York and mean years in
Speaker 1: the game, because you came here out of high school
Speaker 1: too a lot, you know, and that's special to be
Speaker 1: able to make it, you know, that's something Jack did
Speaker 1: to be able to come in at an early age
Speaker 1: as keep it real a boy playing against men and
Speaker 1: navigating your way through the whole process. So how long
Speaker 1: did it take you to you felt like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: kind of look at it's a little different. Honestly, took
Speaker 1: me like eleven years from twelve years. That's when I
Speaker 1: got to New York because it was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at the crib, I'm home, and everybody is like,
Speaker 1: all right, what are you doing? What are you gonna go?
Speaker 1: What are you doing this? What? I'm like, damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really that important what I'm saying at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, Like Grant, I always had a name from
Speaker 1: high school and all that, playing ball that. But when
Speaker 1: you start when people start talking about you every day,
Speaker 1: talking about your social life, talking about who are you
Speaker 1: dating and who you messing with? This and that, and
Speaker 1: I'm like Yo, I'm that important, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I just took a step back. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like I ain't, I ain't ready for
Speaker 1: all that. I played in New Orleans, played in Denver,
Speaker 1: I was at Oklahoma City for a year, China, then
Speaker 1: come out come from China, back to the to the
Speaker 1: crib and then I'm I'm not that guy, but I'm
Speaker 1: that guy on that. It's like, well, it's crazy too,
Speaker 1: because it's not something we First of all, we're not
Speaker 1: really taught how to handle any of this ship from money.
Speaker 1: But then when you play in a major market and
Speaker 1: for the front, you know, they don't teach you how
Speaker 1: to deal with all that ship coming at you and
Speaker 1: how your target as soon as you step out of
Speaker 1: your house. Sometimes you're talking in your own house, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, with with some of the ships,
Speaker 1: So they don't teach you how to navigate through that
Speaker 1: and through that. I think all of us really has
Speaker 1: similar reputations throughout our career, you know, very similar. Worst
Speaker 1: for y'all is both of y'all played at home major
Speaker 1: markets too, but on and off the court, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, where I'll beat ship with my ships
Speaker 1: on TMZ and Sports Center for two different things, I mean,
Speaker 1: two different crazy things, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's just like to be able to navigate through that ship,
Speaker 1: that's what we'd helped me with, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That was something that allowed me to be able to
Speaker 1: focus through all the bullshit, because I still fu made
Speaker 1: some mistakes obviously, but it was something that made me
Speaker 1: just you know, sit back and then just take a
Speaker 1: different view, you know what I mean, Like, Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of potholes, I gotta dodge man, and I
Speaker 1: gotta slow down and take a seat back and kind
Speaker 1: of recalibrate, refocus. And that's something that really got me because,
Speaker 1: like I said, they don't teach us how to deal
Speaker 1: with that ship. They don't teach us how to deal
Speaker 1: with with with everything on top of the money they come.
Speaker 1: They forget that you had a life before they figured
Speaker 1: out who you was. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: before y'all figured out who I was, you realized like
Speaker 1: I had a whole family, I came from somewhere, I
Speaker 1: was standing for something like this was y'all just found
Speaker 1: out who I was. I've had a whole life y'all
Speaker 1: just didn't know me. You really don't know, but you
Speaker 1: still don't know. That's I'm saying. They don't know you.
Speaker 1: They know who they think. I mean. That's like, like
Speaker 1: I said, the perception of reality is perception is reality.
Speaker 1: Sometimes so they'll catch a glimpse of us two hours
Speaker 1: you get in the fight with the Knicks or some
Speaker 1: bullshit happened off the court, and I know what, like
Speaker 1: I know what masks like jacks always fighting, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They think they know who we are,
Speaker 1: but they never really get a chance to take that
Speaker 1: next that deeper look. And it's it's crazy because they
Speaker 1: don't they don't take the chance and they don't care
Speaker 1: to learn. They don't care what's really going on with
Speaker 1: and like what's going on? Let me figure out how
Speaker 1: I can help them instead of kicking them down or
Speaker 1: keeping them down, you know what I'm saying. Like people
Speaker 1: forget I went to jail when I was in the league,
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I did twenty four days in the
Speaker 1: three and one in the sale. Well I got millions
Speaker 1: of dollars for a month, and I couldn't do nothing
Speaker 1: with I'm reaching out to people. I'm calling my NBA
Speaker 1: boys all the dud yo yo, no crickets. I'm calling
Speaker 1: coaches crickets. The only person case see me once was Gert.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was like I should
Speaker 1: that should hurt me. I feeling like I'm saying my
Speaker 1: godfather to this, you my man used I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: so to deal with all that it come out, I'm
Speaker 1: on the world path, I'm on the rage. I'm living
Speaker 1: my life. I'm reckless at this point what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But people don't. People looking at like he's just riding out.
Speaker 1: They don't know what, like what what what triggered that?
Speaker 1: What happened between that? They don't realize. They don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm in the accident with my best friend passes away.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, y'all don't ask me nothing
Speaker 1: about that. All you want to know is did you do?
Speaker 1: What happened? Was you under the influence? How about what? Like?
Speaker 1: Is you good? What's going on? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like people don't care to learn from that. I think
Speaker 1: because we get paid a certain amount of money, they
Speaker 1: think we're not human still, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I mean Jack went through when I lost my mom.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I played two days after
Speaker 1: she died, you know what I mean. And people don't understand,
Speaker 1: like we go through the same ship, divorced, death, children, whatever,
Speaker 1: but we we have to keep that game face on
Speaker 1: the whole time because we get paid a bunch of money,
Speaker 1: what I mean, So you can't you can't be human.
Speaker 1: You got to be this person, like you said. They
Speaker 1: don't never take the time to dig deep, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, Okay, what he did this? What
Speaker 1: what might be the read? They don't give a funk
Speaker 1: about that, And it's crazy. Well what's crazy to me
Speaker 1: is why is it that an athlete or a basketball
Speaker 1: player is high as held to the higher standard as
Speaker 1: the president. He shouldn't be, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: why is it that y'all look up the lebron so
Speaker 1: much or step so much, and y'all hang on to
Speaker 1: every step and told that they do that, it could
Speaker 1: just tarnish their career and then go out of nowhere
Speaker 1: but the highest seat in the country. It's just the world.
Speaker 1: In the world, so the United States, I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't even say the world at this point. It can't
Speaker 1: be at this point, they're not not now what I'm
Speaker 1: saying right like that, it still if it's different standards
Speaker 1: than what like, you can't like. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. People think I'm crazy, but don't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to figure you got it. You ain't crazy.
Speaker 1: You just you know you're worth And that's what people
Speaker 1: when they can't tell you what you're worth. That when
Speaker 1: they don't control the narrative. It's a new day. Now
Speaker 1: you control your own narrative. They can't say, they can
Speaker 1: say what they want about you, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, you have the same I would let
Speaker 1: to say to to speak the truth. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You can you can't just walk around and
Speaker 1: people just gotta believe what they say. Now you can
Speaker 1: create your own narrative, and that's what's important. Right now.
Speaker 1: You gotta give Lebron and all those guys created But
Speaker 1: when he came into the league, he created a situation
Speaker 1: where he can create his own narrative and speak his
Speaker 1: own throve and nobody around can make it a for
Speaker 1: him for what I'm saying, and and nobody has done
Speaker 1: that until he got to the league. Now we're all
Speaker 1: able to do that. They can't say Stephen Jackson is
Speaker 1: doing this now. No, I'm gonna TV right now, showtime
Speaker 1: doing well. You don't say everything you think about me,
Speaker 1: you know that's bullshit. This I'm right here. You can
Speaker 1: ask me. So that's that's where we are now. So
Speaker 1: they can't. They can't sugarcoach it no more. That's what
Speaker 1: I love about it because you you can really speak
Speaker 1: your own truths, and you can tell and you can tell,
Speaker 1: you can really tell where your fan base is. Really
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's not just walking into the rain
Speaker 1: and they just drew for the whole team. You see
Speaker 1: one kid or two kids with your jersey, you know,
Speaker 1: so such such, Oh you're my favorite players, and you
Speaker 1: actually get to see where your fan base at and
Speaker 1: who really who really rock with you? And then what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I think that's special. Tell me what it
Speaker 1: was like being with Brin, playing with Brian, developing more
Speaker 1: than just teammatesing a real brotherhood with him. It was
Speaker 1: crazy because I knew Bron since I was like fifteen.
Speaker 1: I really yeah, I used to go to the Akron
Speaker 1: and uh, go work out with him and ship and
Speaker 1: how are you at the time. I was fifteen, he
Speaker 1: was sixteen. Okay, uh no, I was sixteen, he was seventeen,
Speaker 1: and um just going back and forth like like like
Speaker 1: damn this like he good. I'm saying, I'm coming from
Speaker 1: the best dude Jersey and the trashy area since like
Speaker 1: me and Sebastian, I'm like, damn flying in high school,
Speaker 1: he flying up to twenty handles passing vision. And my
Speaker 1: think the thing I liked the most because I wasn't
Speaker 1: even the basketball. I played football. He was don nice
Speaker 1: and football. I was more jealous of the factor where
Speaker 1: you got it basketball right cool? You came to be
Speaker 1: scored touchdowns like this, getting picks, he bro. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that that's what That's what hurt me.
Speaker 1: But that was my that's my man. Like his work
Speaker 1: ethic and his drive changed my life. I think what
Speaker 1: I'm saying because I looked at it from a different perspective.
Speaker 1: I was always a person who worked and surprisingly other
Speaker 1: than the Instagram like posting my videos, I never I
Speaker 1: was so insecure in my game. I didn't really want
Speaker 1: people to see. You know what I'm saying. I didn't
Speaker 1: want them to see the insecurities that I had and
Speaker 1: me missing shots. You know, we all have them within
Speaker 1: our game because that's our crap. We love it so
Speaker 1: much that that's you know, I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And he helped me like, bro, that's the reason why
Speaker 1: you hear this reason, this is why we're here. So
Speaker 1: we when we get to those moments we missed those shots,
Speaker 1: we do know, I mean. And he and he pounded
Speaker 1: that ship into my head so much that every day
Speaker 1: we was I was at the gym like three or
Speaker 1: four times a day, and I'm saying and it wasn't
Speaker 1: just like because I was always I'll go early, I wait,
Speaker 1: tell everybody leave, and then shoot later and then I
Speaker 1: come in at night. But then but he opened up
Speaker 1: a regiment for me to where I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: I can shoot with you. I can shoot with you.
Speaker 1: I can shoot with you. When y'all done, I could
Speaker 1: go to shoot with him. Then I could go shoot him.
Speaker 1: I wasn't like that before. It was before it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna shot by myself, or when not
Speaker 1: loo coming, I'm gonna shoot with him. And I'm saying
Speaker 1: or no back I'll shoot with him. Cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had by people, but it wasn't like I wasn't
Speaker 1: as open into working with people everybody. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: took my I take my ship serious like I don't.
Speaker 1: When I'm working on my shop, I'm not playing around.
Speaker 1: Maybe seem like I'm shooting some bullshit shots, but these
Speaker 1: are shots that I know. I'm a shooting the game,
Speaker 1: and these are my shots that I that y'all brought
Speaker 1: me here to shoot because you know I'm gonna shoot
Speaker 1: them and when in the situation come, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: that shot. So people were like, oh damn, he took
Speaker 1: that shot at working out, like, yeah, this is my ship.
Speaker 1: I'm working on my ship, and I take that ship serious.
Speaker 1: So when when gms and coaches and like, man, why
Speaker 1: is he over there working on that? Why is he
Speaker 1: doing that? I feel like I can't beat myself within
Speaker 1: my within my job to work on my my craft
Speaker 1: and respectfully without somebody else already judging me on who
Speaker 1: I am, and now you're judging my game on top
Speaker 1: of you probably don't even like it's that that that
Speaker 1: that tells you, you know what I mean, the organization
Speaker 1: and their focus because I was someone that got to
Speaker 1: play with Katie and Steph and to see the crazy
Speaker 1: ass shots that they took, like the coaches understood it,
Speaker 1: the gms understood it, the owners understood it. Like Okay,
Speaker 1: Steph is doing this spin around one left handed flip ship,
Speaker 1: but Steph shoots them motherfucker's in the game and he
Speaker 1: makes them. Katie is doing this off balance one foot ship,
Speaker 1: but Katie shoots the wolf balance one foot ship and
Speaker 1: make it. So to go from an organize winning organization
Speaker 1: that encouraged you to work on your game to you
Speaker 1: having to feel so insecure, like these motherfucker's are staring
Speaker 1: at me tripping about my game. I think that speaks
Speaker 1: to you know the fact of winning, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like then organization, then you go to then
Speaker 1: you go to Cleveland where Lebron creates a culture where
Speaker 1: be you it is the most important thing. But it
Speaker 1: works your ass off, and then it worked crazy because
Speaker 1: if I had that, I feel like if I had
Speaker 1: that earli early on in my career to three years
Speaker 1: and I would like and I could have actually have
Speaker 1: my added the way I wanted to, different from my
Speaker 1: whole I'm a whole different player. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a different vibe. And I don't
Speaker 1: live in the past, but that's obviously something that you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know how I mean, as when you're
Speaker 1: coming up in high school and you know, as a kid,
Speaker 1: you got a certain way you want your career to go,
Speaker 1: and you want to win championships and all, and then
Speaker 1: at a certain point that ship don't happen. Then reality
Speaker 1: said it, like, all right, this is my role, this
Speaker 1: is my player, this is the type of person I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be from from going forward. That ship ain't easy
Speaker 1: to grasp sometimes, you know what I'm saying, Like we got,
Speaker 1: like you said, you set a high buff for yourself
Speaker 1: and you get to the real you want to be
Speaker 1: maybe not maybe all right, cool, I ain't go number
Speaker 1: one pick, but I'm here. I'm gonna make my ship,
Speaker 1: all right. I'm not gonna start now, but alright, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm working my way. Alright, cool, Now, I'm a six man. Alright,
Speaker 1: bet I'm gonna start. And then I get pushed back,
Speaker 1: like you're thinking about all of this ship, this is
Speaker 1: your timeline, this is your life what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: all of this feelings and emotions, and then you get
Speaker 1: you starving kids, you get married. Like I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: a lot all that ship coming to play as basketball
Speaker 1: players two we don't understand, especially being all and fathers
Speaker 1: and been dominant men. We take on roles just coming
Speaker 1: out of the house for sure, how mastering the roles
Speaker 1: that we get naturally fathers? You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: things like that, because we've got so much thrown at us.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you to. Tim Duncan gave
Speaker 1: me that confidence. I see he was talking about Lebron
Speaker 1: and how y'all worked out together. I think Tim taught
Speaker 1: me that, and I think it's only certain players that
Speaker 1: got that in them that can that can get that
Speaker 1: out of us because we were similar. But Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: able to work out with him and for him to
Speaker 1: embrace me, that gave me confidence. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That's what I needed. I wouldn't have been a professional.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to show up. I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to work, you know what I'm saying. I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to get ready for games. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But she was talking about Lebron Tim Duncan
Speaker 1: did that for me. Yeah, that's a that's a fact,
Speaker 1: like just being like overall being professional, Like I had
Speaker 1: some really good vents, like you know, I always try
Speaker 1: to preach the coming in all time and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but I was in uh, such bad cultures at times.
Speaker 1: It was just like it ain't even like you're waiting
Speaker 1: on me. I'm saying I could be if the buses
Speaker 1: at ten, I could show up at twelve o five
Speaker 1: and I'm still not the last person. I'm the third
Speaker 1: to the fourth to the last person. So when I
Speaker 1: go to somewhere else, it's twelve o five, but I
Speaker 1: come down to the bus gone, It's like, oh this
Speaker 1: is it's really left. Like now, I'm like, that's why
Speaker 1: I always say winning started the top, and people like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean. I mean it starts with the owner,
Speaker 1: then it starts to management and starts to coaching. You
Speaker 1: let sh slide and it starts getting slopping, and my
Speaker 1: fun's gonna do what they do and they get comfortable
Speaker 1: on the in in that position, and then you just
Speaker 1: you can't win in atmosphere like that. You can win games,
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna win. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's the thing. Like again, like you
Speaker 1: said with the Clippers, you're so talented. We have so
Speaker 1: much talent. You can have some too much. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can have too much. You can definitely have We when
Speaker 1: we gonna have practice, that ship was I can imagine,
Speaker 1: like we got people trying to switch jerseys, man like,
Speaker 1: going back and forth. But it's it's all in the
Speaker 1: competitive We go to the lock, we talking, yeah, but
Speaker 1: we was busting your grass that man. Y'all know how
Speaker 1: to go. It's like it's at the end of the
Speaker 1: day when we left, we all we all knew and
Speaker 1: ask my motherucker, if we get out of here and
Speaker 1: something happened, we all go on. You know what I'm said,
Speaker 1: And that's how it was. That's how That's how it
Speaker 1: should be all the time, all the time. What's your
Speaker 1: relationship with Melolock. I think you guys are in a
Speaker 1: similar boat right now. Two guys that could definitely have
Speaker 1: the talent that you guys getting sucked over. Keep it real.
Speaker 1: He get that phone call to the GM's doing Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: They sign out a mass text with swish to do
Speaker 1: not funk with him. Yeah, y'all stop all that hate. Man,
Speaker 1: tell me what it's like knowing and seeing that you
Speaker 1: can still play in the game but not really be
Speaker 1: giving the opportunity. It hurts, man, it's just hardening. It
Speaker 1: gives your uncomfortable feeling. But as they lead what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I could do what you want with it, I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't here to tell you what I mean because
Speaker 1: I got my business and all that, and you ain't
Speaker 1: about to come over here and tell me what I'm
Speaker 1: about to do, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: respected from that manner, from the business standpoint. Um as
Speaker 1: a competitive obviously you want to play. Obviously you're looking
Speaker 1: down him when you still can. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: gotta like you gotta understand, Like you know, I play ball,
Speaker 1: I go to I go to Jim in l A.
Speaker 1: I go to Jim in Houston, I go to Jim Miami,
Speaker 1: I go to Jim New York. What what the requid
Speaker 1: tire is it? And I had no business playing, but
Speaker 1: I just because I love it. Who you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So in the midst of all of that,
Speaker 1: and it sa't no no like no hating ship. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of fact, he not better than me,
Speaker 1: He not better than me, He not better, he not better,
Speaker 1: he not better than he not better than me, and
Speaker 1: him in the back evening right, And then when people
Speaker 1: look at me like, damn, you know you're really cocky,
Speaker 1: like no, you know how much I work doing what
Speaker 1: I do, And when I see him and I see
Speaker 1: what they do, and I see thee just the way
Speaker 1: they walking to him, the way they you're not you're
Speaker 1: not even comfortable with being here, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I can. You know, you smell blood all the time.
Speaker 1: I know how. I know where the lights is on
Speaker 1: this gym, I know where to I know who to
Speaker 1: talk to. I know this whole, this whole atmosphere. So
Speaker 1: when you're walking ahead and you're looking around, like who's
Speaker 1: in here? I smell blood? I see it's you know,
Speaker 1: you can't hide. It's a good feeling, especially to pick up.
Speaker 1: Ain't no reps, ain't no coaches, ain't no you can't
Speaker 1: hide here right here, this wing. That's why I was
Speaker 1: looking at the books, and it was like they was
Speaker 1: mad at him, saying double you know, y'all can't double,
Speaker 1: Like bro, First of all, who was doubling you? Why
Speaker 1: is it first? No, no, who who who was that?
Speaker 1: I want to know who came to double? We need
Speaker 1: to talk. Why is you double guard him? If I
Speaker 1: don't care, if he'sco a hunted, take that. You guard
Speaker 1: him time, you know how to go, and then when
Speaker 1: you go to the other end, I'm going right back.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, calling for double man. I wish
Speaker 1: I wish I was. It's a different time there to
Speaker 1: play one on one full quote. When I was in
Speaker 1: Name to twelve, ain't no way, no way, bro. We
Speaker 1: come up different though, man, John Lucas and all that man.
Speaker 1: I was down there with Cotino Mobley, San Cansell, Steve Frands,
Speaker 1: young boys, young boy funding, yes yo coming. Catino Mobley
Speaker 1: was destroying me every single day in the workout me
Speaker 1: to left hand, all that post uff and I'm bigging
Speaker 1: him everything killing me. Yeah, young fella, get through that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get through that. Figure that out, and you know he
Speaker 1: the ice King, will wait till he got your weight
Speaker 1: all the way. He's strong as ship. Shout out. Cat
Speaker 1: cat School was a killer killing a killer who was
Speaker 1: the toughest person you ever had to guard. It's different
Speaker 1: for me because I got like fortunately when you played,
Speaker 1: I played long enough to when you played, you played
Speaker 1: through errors. I can, I can go through like b
Speaker 1: roy was a problem. People always talk about people always
Speaker 1: talking about obviously Kobe and tax dollars, I always But
Speaker 1: when you think about people who was a problem and
Speaker 1: people who really don't really give the respect to understanding
Speaker 1: he was a problem. Cat was a problem, a problem problem.
Speaker 1: People don't even realize how much Caro Linker was a problem.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't even like it wasn't even like he's
Speaker 1: the guy. He was just a problem that nobody was
Speaker 1: just awkward right like he like you never he was
Speaker 1: just awkward dog. You couldn't get it, like you couldn't
Speaker 1: figure him out. You could figure about my first game,
Speaker 1: I actually played Reggie open Miller, but it probably wasn't
Speaker 1: even know ice so bro. It was all picks Davis
Speaker 1: every time, Young, listen, you gotta you gotta duck your shoulder,
Speaker 1: then really hit you with the big and they and
Speaker 1: they was moving back then there wasn't no not moving screen,
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, you're going out of bounds and
Speaker 1: it's Reggie, right young, don't say nothing to me. Let's go.
Speaker 1: And I remember it funny. I actually hit Reggie in
Speaker 1: two thousand nine because I had to guard Ray Island
Speaker 1: with Boston when I was in Orlando. How do I
Speaker 1: get around these picks? What kind of tricks? What do
Speaker 1: I need to do? Because I couldn't stay with that
Speaker 1: motherfucker And they said the perk was setting these hardass picks.
Speaker 1: KG was setting these hard ass picks like and I
Speaker 1: hear Reggie like, Yo, what do I need to do?
Speaker 1: And he told me, you know, grab his jersey, grab
Speaker 1: his arm for you, take off, stick to his body,
Speaker 1: get low, cut the corner. So he was telling me
Speaker 1: all the ship that you know, obviously people that try
Speaker 1: to do to him, but that ship is that people't understand,
Speaker 1: Like the game, you don't even have to be ISOs
Speaker 1: just imagined practice. Every day I gotta chase his motherfucker
Speaker 1: around because I'm the first I'm the first two guards,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This was last year, so
Speaker 1: I got to chase him around every day in practice. Man,
Speaker 1: that should get tired and it kills your offense because
Speaker 1: you ain't got no legs. That's why I said, he
Speaker 1: in great shape. People don't understand how important Clay is
Speaker 1: to go to state because staff don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: He scored fifty something with with with three driven killer.
Speaker 1: That's crazy killer. Two thousand eighteen, Game one of the finals. Uh,
Speaker 1: you get the offensive rebound and driven towards half court.
Speaker 1: Talk about that to me? What happened the play before
Speaker 1: when it was a foul? Uh? Wasn't Lebron pastor George Hill? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was shooting free through and I'm I thought he
Speaker 1: made both of them. He did, so I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, bet, so next time George on the free
Speaker 1: I'm alright, bet we get the ball. Ship. They're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we called time out whatever, They're
Speaker 1: gonna try to foul anyway, so we do we normally do.
Speaker 1: It's alright, Bet to get the ball. Nobody called time
Speaker 1: out something. Alright, Bet, I'm about your man, dribble it
Speaker 1: back out. Then game game had to be over. I
Speaker 1: look at Brian, Brian pointing like this, oh thiss be
Speaker 1: like ship. I look over, oh man. And then after that,
Speaker 1: I was just like, I know this ship ain't just happening.
Speaker 1: I know this ship ain't just happened. Not in the finals,
Speaker 1: not in the finals. It's about to beat these niggers
Speaker 1: say with the box out, the box out looked at
Speaker 1: you didn't expect to get that ball because you had
Speaker 1: right there. There's no way he was getting no bullshit,
Speaker 1: I was told. So I was so bet on going
Speaker 1: the other way and trying to steal the rebound because
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, if the ball comes this when
Speaker 1: I'm dead, an't. So I'm thinking, at the ball going
Speaker 1: that way, I can at least at least try and
Speaker 1: tip it somewhere right in your hands the way. Look,
Speaker 1: the ball came right and I said, oh, ship crab
Speaker 1: the ball alright, bet bro, we get to we get
Speaker 1: to the time out. I can laugh about it now.
Speaker 1: Hello it before you. How long did it take to
Speaker 1: laugh about it? Because it was memes. It was all
Speaker 1: over the world. It's gonna go down in here about
Speaker 1: that ship that night. No, he did in the chat room,
Speaker 1: he said, yourself, dude, Bro, I can't. I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not a person to hold onto ship. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: hold on to no grudges. No, I'm gonna I'll never
Speaker 1: forget it, but I'm not gonna. Let's up, right up,
Speaker 1: we all messed up. So what was the time out,
Speaker 1: like man, when I tell you it was like Brian asked,
Speaker 1: what was uh? Do we have a time? Oh? My good?
Speaker 1: And nobody wanted to answer the question. I didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm telling him all the way. But
Speaker 1: what I'm telling him all the way to the bench.
Speaker 1: We gotta time out, I said, Bro, why didn't you
Speaker 1: just call it time out? Why don't just call it
Speaker 1: time out? That's why we was talking about. But why
Speaker 1: he was like walking to the bench. I'm like, he asked,
Speaker 1: he said, we gotta time out. We gotta time out
Speaker 1: when I tell you. So the players just looked away
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff looked like they could turn spook.
Speaker 1: Why does the ghost bro? I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I've replayed it. I was crying in my room. How
Speaker 1: did how did he get the downy picker up a
Speaker 1: paper towel like he has a house paper towel And
Speaker 1: just when he found out that we had time I
Speaker 1: was up. He put it on his hands and back
Speaker 1: his face. Where did he get the down the quicker
Speaker 1: picker up that he always because he all use the
Speaker 1: regular towels, you know, so he has a roll a
Speaker 1: quicker pickup down here on the side. It ain't down here.
Speaker 1: It's like, I can't lie because I using weird, using
Speaker 1: all the same towers and ship and you're trying to
Speaker 1: wash them. I ain't trying with it. I saw that
Speaker 1: though all the coaches were spooked. Don't want to say
Speaker 1: an this is this is my thing though, like if
Speaker 1: it was, if it's my fault and you want to
Speaker 1: depend it on me, all right, cool free throws first,
Speaker 1: He'll make the down free throws. Nothing, how man, that's
Speaker 1: why it happens. I'm saying, That's why I ain't. I
Speaker 1: can't be mad at him for making the free show.
Speaker 1: We couldn't. We we didn't have to be in a
Speaker 1: position to win the game. Had an incredible game, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I hit t Lou that night.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, bro, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what to say. He's like, Bro, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: You made the basketball play, it didn't work out and
Speaker 1: you messed and it happens. I was like, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: but I should have shot the ball or whatever whatever
Speaker 1: I said to him, and he was like, man, but
Speaker 1: what if you didn't get the rebound? The game would
Speaker 1: have been over anyway. So I was like, chat, when
Speaker 1: I thought about that show, I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, there's so many ships that could have happened,
Speaker 1: and what did happen? It happened and then we get
Speaker 1: swept anyway, so it was like we got Okay, we
Speaker 1: won one game, didn't want what is the difference? But
Speaker 1: that game won bron That game he had, that's one
Speaker 1: of the best games his career. For sure. Wow, for
Speaker 1: sure wo, I would have changed the whole series of
Speaker 1: if it wasn't fifth ye had ball, she'd be Grandpa something. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then you know when we played, we took serious your style,
Speaker 1: your culture. You know, you were the first one with
Speaker 1: the supreme bands and then they said you can't wear
Speaker 1: the band so you wouldn't got the tattoo on? Where
Speaker 1: did your style and and and tattoos? And tell me
Speaker 1: about that? I mean I grew up like you know,
Speaker 1: like most you know, young African American kids come into
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I ain't have a lot when
Speaker 1: I met growing up and around the way, you know,
Speaker 1: I got picked off anything I'm saying, except for my game.
Speaker 1: The only thing they could really mess with me about
Speaker 1: it closes this shoot at you if I ever come
Speaker 1: into money, If I ever, I'm gonna get this. My
Speaker 1: one thing. You can never tell tell me my crib,
Speaker 1: my cars and my clothes and my I'm gonna be straight,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then once I fell
Speaker 1: into like, once I really understood who I am, I
Speaker 1: was like, it just made it that much easy because
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable in my skin and you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So people, so many people like, oh, why would you
Speaker 1: wear this and that? Because I'm meeting That's why I
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying. Don't I don't have to be
Speaker 1: what you like. It's just I like it and I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. So people, that's what That's what fashion is.
Speaker 1: It ain't like you're following the trend. Why do I
Speaker 1: got to follow that trend? It's all it's a billion
Speaker 1: other people out here that's gonna like what I like? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Why do I gotta follow what you like? It ain't
Speaker 1: what you got on? Is who got it on? How
Speaker 1: you carry yourself with it? I mean, I ain't know
Speaker 1: the person just walking around insecure and what I got
Speaker 1: going on. I'm a dope asting I got going without
Speaker 1: you telling me that what I was telling you, I'm gonna, yeah,
Speaker 1: transition into something that that you touched on earlier. But
Speaker 1: father life and we all, you know, kind of follow
Speaker 1: your journey. We're praying for you with your with your
Speaker 1: with your daughter that you went through a hard time with.
Speaker 1: But tell me what it's like that situation and overall
Speaker 1: just being a dad and the joy that you know
Speaker 1: your kids bring to your life. Man, that's that situation
Speaker 1: really molded me as a dad because it was like
Speaker 1: it changed my changed my perspective and people, you know,
Speaker 1: I told Brownness and I told somebody else to you
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't say that again. I'm like, and I thought
Speaker 1: about it, like, nah, Like bro, if if God forbid,
Speaker 1: something happens to my daughter, I'm done. I don't want
Speaker 1: to play ball no more. Like the hell with all
Speaker 1: of this ship, I would you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then over the course of time, she was getting better.
Speaker 1: She was getting better, and luckily I had broke my thumb.
Speaker 1: I brought my thumb in Milwaukee. Um so I had
Speaker 1: already been out, but I was getting healthy at the time.
Speaker 1: And then going through that situation, it was like one
Speaker 1: day she's good, then the next day, she's back in
Speaker 1: the You're back in the fire. But my thumb was
Speaker 1: getting healthy. So it's you know, it's getting to that
Speaker 1: time for me to start, you know, working back, working
Speaker 1: my way back. Obviously we're going to the finals and
Speaker 1: ship like that. And I was like, yo, if if
Speaker 1: something happened, I'm like, I ain't. I'm done, Like y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all can go ahead. You know, I ain't. I'm going
Speaker 1: back to Jersey. We can set up shop maybe because
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't come back from this and to
Speaker 1: go who And I'm saying, it's my daughter. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying like this is it's different for me and the
Speaker 1: way I came up with my brothers and sisters and
Speaker 1: my cousins and everybody. So and I told somebody that
Speaker 1: don't don't tell nobody that I don't tell me. And
Speaker 1: I did an interview when I came back and she
Speaker 1: made it out and I was like, yo, I'm I
Speaker 1: would I was about to walk away, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I've been through instance where coaches and
Speaker 1: I ain't had my I felt like I had my
Speaker 1: fair shake, and know what I'm saying, I just felt
Speaker 1: like I was getting overall cheated by the game for
Speaker 1: the what I gave to it. But in that situation,
Speaker 1: I didn't give a different you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you could have There's nothing that I could have. There's
Speaker 1: nobody that I knew, and even if I did have
Speaker 1: the amount of money that could have made her better,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when when I got
Speaker 1: when I realized as that and I got again, somebody
Speaker 1: like Brian, we know plenty of people with plenty of money.
Speaker 1: He's just like, there's nothing that nobody There's nobody I
Speaker 1: can call there, Nobody did nothing. If she gone didn't,
Speaker 1: nobody got nothing. Can't nobody fix that? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There was a real life thought because every
Speaker 1: day you're having these conversations with the doctor. She having
Speaker 1: this procedure. She gotta go through this, she gotta go
Speaker 1: through that. I mean, my wife is just like, it
Speaker 1: took a toll on this. There's too much of a
Speaker 1: right and then it was hand yeah to handle, and
Speaker 1: then you know, and then again the people forget. Now
Speaker 1: you gotta be an athlete, Now you gotta play, you
Speaker 1: gotta wear this poker face. He's not playing with this potential.
Speaker 1: He's doing this, he's doing that. What's going on? How
Speaker 1: about his daughter is in the hospital and he might
Speaker 1: have something else going on it or not. It just
Speaker 1: might Know what I'm saying, People really think that you're
Speaker 1: just supposed to play through it all and well, she'll
Speaker 1: be okay, but go out there and win us a game.
Speaker 1: Who the fund is us? Right? Us? How can you
Speaker 1: mentally go back to that stage? It's not possible. You can't.
Speaker 1: So how much you're paying me or whatever and that
Speaker 1: if that's the case. Ship, But after, I mean, thank god,
Speaker 1: she's doing she's doing man, she too. She walking and
Speaker 1: she's trying to she's not she's not talking yet, but
Speaker 1: she's doing a little sign language and stuff. He posted
Speaker 1: a picture and recently at both of them, manute beautiful
Speaker 1: bank sisters. We had another one. How you got four
Speaker 1: four girls? All girls? I got five girls in the
Speaker 1: one roof though, right? My five guess one? Man? It's
Speaker 1: it's it's cool because I'm already telling me all the time.
Speaker 1: Like she asked me, if you want to boy, how
Speaker 1: you want to boy? I said, baby, you want to
Speaker 1: you want of the guys? True? I ain't tripping I
Speaker 1: got four girls, right, what's five gonna do for me?
Speaker 1: But help me? You know what I'm saying, And the
Speaker 1: day and age that we live in and the females
Speaker 1: around in this industry an area, I need to have
Speaker 1: six seven girls because they nobody gonna raise these girls
Speaker 1: the way I'm raising, like you can't. For the culture,
Speaker 1: we need more young African American, powerful young black women,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I know that I
Speaker 1: could provide and be that male figure in their life
Speaker 1: where they can be that and they can do that
Speaker 1: and then we can prosper as a as a culture.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It ain't just about man,
Speaker 1: what about such a such Are you going suche's gonna
Speaker 1: be messing with your daughter? The bro? You simple mind?
Speaker 1: If I raised my daughter the right way, I never
Speaker 1: got to worry about that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People don't. It's not like the fact that that you
Speaker 1: would think about that sort like what did you you
Speaker 1: know what, having a good day? But I don't even
Speaker 1: think like that. You know, have a good day? Bro?
Speaker 1: Raised you boys raised you. What's the best part about
Speaker 1: being a dad to you? Best part? Man? Every time?
Speaker 1: I walk in the house, is Christmas? Girl? I'm right,
Speaker 1: it's different. You're trying to put the game all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot these hoops. See my girl, bro, and
Speaker 1: they like like my oldest she's she's just like her mother.
Speaker 1: She like. I'll be in the house chilling, playing the
Speaker 1: video game something and she's coming around, Hey, daddy, what's
Speaker 1: going on? How you doing? I'm good, but it was
Speaker 1: good none. I just want to check on you need anything,
Speaker 1: you want something to drink something like, nah, but I'm good.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it all right. I'll be over here. Hit me.
Speaker 1: I bet I get off the game and this game
Speaker 1: maybe what's up? Like what I'm saying, I just like
Speaker 1: like that is just like it's irreplaceable. So when people like, yo,
Speaker 1: you want to play again. But I'm having so much
Speaker 1: fun with my kids, Bro, I don't. We don't never
Speaker 1: get this time. You don't get it back. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why I walked away. People don't realize that signed
Speaker 1: a three year contract in Sacramento to kind of finished
Speaker 1: my career out. They trade Boogie. We have talks. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to win and I'm going to the Warriors. We
Speaker 1: win and with two more years left on my deal.
Speaker 1: I missed my kids. You mean, I was going through
Speaker 1: some ugly ship where I wasn't get to see my
Speaker 1: kids as much. Like you don't get none of this
Speaker 1: time back, none of this time back, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's why I chose to walk away
Speaker 1: after fourteen years, was because, like my boys are seven
Speaker 1: a nine, they're about to be eleven, and in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, like this is when they need me
Speaker 1: the most, you know what I mean. So, like you said,
Speaker 1: to be able to humanize us and let people know
Speaker 1: like we we were regular dudes. We just happened to
Speaker 1: to do something really well and get paid a lot
Speaker 1: of money for it. Don't take us. It don't make
Speaker 1: us any different from the the day in, day out ship.
Speaker 1: We gotta deal with life in general. It's tough, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's just that I'm really good at a job that
Speaker 1: everybody a lot of people like that paves me a
Speaker 1: lot of money from Still, I mean, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: me no better than the teacher or a doctor who
Speaker 1: out there saving lives. Y'are actually teaching the kids, actually
Speaker 1: giving my kids knowledge that I'm supposed to trust and
Speaker 1: believe that that they're gonna use this going forward. Y'all
Speaker 1: played just as a bunch of the biggest roles as
Speaker 1: we do, and it needs to be the same. People
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, I don't understand why he gets
Speaker 1: in it. Like, bro, Like, it ain't my fault, it's
Speaker 1: just the way life is, the way you go. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit you with some quick takes. Uh. Just
Speaker 1: first thing that comes to your mind golf. I hear
Speaker 1: you love golf. Tell me about golf, aren't you? How
Speaker 1: did you get started with that most Malone? What's really
Speaker 1: rest in peace? Yeah? Charlot Lewis Um he had a
Speaker 1: golf out in Texas, this first one, and he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: come through you let me show love. And I can
Speaker 1: say this, but I was singing at the tour um,
Speaker 1: so he was out there chilling and Ship, I'm messing
Speaker 1: with the card girls taking shots. I ain't played golf
Speaker 1: at the time, and so I'm messing with everybody group
Speaker 1: dudes hitting the ball in the water, hitting it in
Speaker 1: the woods. I'm like, man, I don't ask Ship as
Speaker 1: he so most more, I pull up a most Malone
Speaker 1: group that man, y'all fella come at this ball. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I guess hall of famers. I don't. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I don't do Hall of famers, and I don't disrespect them.
Speaker 1: And they tell me to do something, I'm gonna them.
Speaker 1: Just go to the stand and give me a hot
Speaker 1: the I got you. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: he's like, I was all right, get up there, hit
Speaker 1: the ball three hunt yards down the first time. She's like, man,
Speaker 1: something that ship easy to get. Give him. Throw the
Speaker 1: club back, getting the golf cart. Pull off that I
Speaker 1: was saying, take some riding around, talking again. Pull up
Speaker 1: on this group again, and fella, come hit this ball again,
Speaker 1: he's telling people and ship. Now it's like a little crowd.
Speaker 1: I get up there. I couldn't hit the ball, bro,
Speaker 1: I couldn't hit the ball. After that, I was hooked.
Speaker 1: I went to the girlf store, got like three sets
Speaker 1: of club I'm gonna get this ship for sure. And
Speaker 1: then we're playing every sinse You went on some kind
Speaker 1: of tours. There's some of the golf courses, right yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what kind? What? What? What? What? Good courses? You hit
Speaker 1: like this in count nas and has a few courses
Speaker 1: and I play all the San fran Courses, Coyle Club,
Speaker 1: San Francisco Golf Club. Damn, what a hardened park. And
Speaker 1: it's uh, I want to spin an Oregon. So they
Speaker 1: called it the Solstice. It's called Ben and Delons. They
Speaker 1: got uh four the top one courses at the same spot.
Speaker 1: But the Solstice, you gotta It's supposed to be the
Speaker 1: longest day of the year, so you play golf from
Speaker 1: sun up to sundown. So he played seventy two holes,
Speaker 1: walked the whole time. Walk So we set off like
Speaker 1: five forty walked off, walked off at like exhausted. No, no,
Speaker 1: people understand that you played that mental focus. It's with draine.
Speaker 1: I need a quarter pound to make it through that
Speaker 1: whole q P pack of back was all eight packs,
Speaker 1: but I need them all fresh. I don't need the
Speaker 1: ones with the stems in it. I need the fresh pack,
Speaker 1: but all five of them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't need to have no goods. No I QP.
Speaker 1: I can make it through seventy two holes. I don't
Speaker 1: care where that ball go after that. At the half
Speaker 1: of the QP better but better golf for your stuff stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he could he could play. I played with a while
Speaker 1: ago that at CP wedding, but he got so much
Speaker 1: better even since then. He could play the Will could play,
Speaker 1: Ray could play Jay Kidd, Kyle Corey is really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah when did you? What age did you get your
Speaker 1: first tattoo? I was fifteen, my sister. I didn't even
Speaker 1: want to get one at first. My sister wanted to
Speaker 1: get one and she was looking not scared of ships.
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, I go with you, and my
Speaker 1: mom took us some ship when her when I heard
Speaker 1: people's uh, some biker dude new did tax and ships,
Speaker 1: so he tattered us up and like two weeks later
Speaker 1: I went back. We got my other side, because you
Speaker 1: know you're in high school. Ship, you get your tat
Speaker 1: you want it. Yes, you got to join out. Everybody
Speaker 1: was loving. I was like, nah, nah, I'm going back
Speaker 1: for sure. It was over. It was over. You're coming
Speaker 1: in them now right, Yeah, I'm I'm working on my legs. Now,
Speaker 1: what's your most painful tattoo? They looked like that shin.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you got ship. I'm coming up on his knee. Broe,
Speaker 1: I'm cool, on. I want to do my legs, but
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to get the unnecessary pain like on
Speaker 1: the knee caps. Now that I ain't that's what I
Speaker 1: ain't going. That's all I ain't going to the knees.
Speaker 1: Ain't much here, But you know it's crazy, it's easier
Speaker 1: for like, the healing process here is so much better.
Speaker 1: And where the number ship that who got? Whoever got
Speaker 1: the number? Ship that worked? Man? All the smokes sending
Speaker 1: me something. I ain't trying to be superhero and gangster
Speaker 1: me and I took man, listen, where the numb and
Speaker 1: ship that I needed? Bro, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: out here who was flamed up, tatted, who went through
Speaker 1: that another cream. But I don't feel bad. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to numb myself. I want to put me out
Speaker 1: and just to me talk, you gotta wake me up
Speaker 1: swimming that I just got the nip done in my
Speaker 1: hand and I'm an hour and a half before because
Speaker 1: I got ready to first day. I said, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like the motherfucker my hand. I think my ribs and
Speaker 1: my elbow were probably the worst. Just a numbing cream
Speaker 1: and was not hurt. Bro. You know what's you know
Speaker 1: what's funny. I was Chuck came to the team. I
Speaker 1: was I was. I was. I kept asking them, like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: your hands hurt, Like what's that joint? It was like
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, man, my hands hurt. But the dude
Speaker 1: ain't do how I wanted it. And I was like, why,
Speaker 1: I bet it's at the practice one day. So the
Speaker 1: next day we got we got a game. We play
Speaker 1: a Sacramento and and then I go to the tax
Speaker 1: shoe shop at like seven to do this hand go
Speaker 1: to practice lead a tech shop due to the other hand,
Speaker 1: go played the game. I tell you my hands forty
Speaker 1: did you killed only only switch on your tattoo time
Speaker 1: the boy touched my hand, My hands was hurting so
Speaker 1: bad from the past for sure that it was going unconscious.
Speaker 1: Unconscious there's too many beans. But you got a lot
Speaker 1: of beans in your hand. Man, I know that ship hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm cool on that. Michael Kobe, Mike, Michael is always
Speaker 1: my I mean Kobe. I think Kobe was more polished,
Speaker 1: but Mike was just wrong killer killer. It's hard for
Speaker 1: like you can't That's like, that's like asking Bruce Lee
Speaker 1: or the I P man gotta go I P because
Speaker 1: he taught Bruce said so he the masters as much
Speaker 1: as he wanted to be him. He can't never begin
Speaker 1: because I thought you everything right, right, what I'm saying right,
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't know. I get it's tough
Speaker 1: Braun and Kobe. See I've been in the trenches with
Speaker 1: bron Um, So in that respect, I would say bront
Speaker 1: the mindset and all of that. I love Kobe. See,
Speaker 1: I'm the other way with code Maude, that's what set
Speaker 1: him apart and seeing his work ethic. I'm the other way,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I think Kobe is is a
Speaker 1: you know, a step ahead to me. It's you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Kobe Braun. But Braun is right there with Kobe
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I mean. But like you said,
Speaker 1: because you went to world one of them, I been
Speaker 1: the world with Kode. It's it's seeing I called it
Speaker 1: a beautiful mind crazy, you know, obsessed whatever maybe and
Speaker 1: made them who they are a couple of times, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like when it's like when you watched watching
Speaker 1: them play, It's like it's like watching him paint this.
Speaker 1: I've seen him to do. The joint was like, uh
Speaker 1: slowed up and then like watching it you can put
Speaker 1: music behind it is watching the artists paint is one
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful things ever as you get to
Speaker 1: see you don't know where they're going with it, and
Speaker 1: you can just and at the end of the picture,
Speaker 1: just like damn, he watched Brian played like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's doing it or where he's
Speaker 1: going with it, but and then you look up. He
Speaker 1: got forty fifteen seventeen six steals and we just barely
Speaker 1: want crazy And the only reason why we wanted because
Speaker 1: he did some off the wall, shake the ship and
Speaker 1: one hand lefty. That only comes from greatness, the only,
Speaker 1: the only way. If anybody else shot that shot in
Speaker 1: that arena, we could have went through all two thousand
Speaker 1: of them others. He's the only person I've made it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's just you see that
Speaker 1: day in and day out, and then you see the
Speaker 1: determination behind it to do it day in and day out,
Speaker 1: every single days became Yeah. I mean when I walk
Speaker 1: in the gym, I love like people. I love to
Speaker 1: see somebody else working because I need that. So when
Speaker 1: I go now it's my I'm gone. I'm saying. People
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you go to lifetime. I need to
Speaker 1: see that because somebody else is working when I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting there talking to you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And for me as a competitor, I never want somebody
Speaker 1: else to have one up on me. If if if
Speaker 1: I go to the gym right now, right and I
Speaker 1: know he'd been in the gym all day, every day
Speaker 1: all summer and I'm sporadically throughout the week's uh, I
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna have a better chance of busting
Speaker 1: my ass. So why would I give him the opportunity
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna take full advantage of ship. I
Speaker 1: know I would. I'm damn sure going to you better
Speaker 1: believe it. Everything is coming out of the trick back everybody.
Speaker 1: I had a chance to do this in the season
Speaker 1: either getting it now and it's gonna work. I believe it. Craziest.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap after this craziest story you could tell us
Speaker 1: about throughout your career that stands out. Craziest story. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta. You asked somebody like us that question,
Speaker 1: Ship which one? I got? Nothing kind of mind? Last
Speaker 1: night the week before that ship I got so visy, man,
Speaker 1: you get so many playing with dude, like bro for me.
Speaker 1: I played with bet as a young boy, as a
Speaker 1: young boy, be in the boot, C p Oh Mellow,
Speaker 1: Chauncey A kalmar m c Amari Jay Kid, I mean,
Speaker 1: Brian Kyrie, Kay Love. I played with so many people.
Speaker 1: It's just like that experience that's good good, I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of them. If I never played
Speaker 1: another game again, I like I talked to I was
Speaker 1: talking to Samazelle last night. Man, He's like, one thing
Speaker 1: you count took. The only thing you can take it
Speaker 1: away from this game is your money and your memories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that. The one thing if
Speaker 1: you're gonna take anything away from this game is your
Speaker 1: money and your memories. So you really need I remember
Speaker 1: going in the locker room with these dudes every day,
Speaker 1: going to war and all of that ship, and I
Speaker 1: loved every minute of it. I'm not and I don't
Speaker 1: regret none of them because I know when I was
Speaker 1: out there, what y'all, I gave y'all everything I had,
Speaker 1: and if it wasn't good enough time ship, it just
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't good enough, y'all. Google. I have to accept
Speaker 1: it because the Dansher wasn't good enough for me at
Speaker 1: times when I was bringing my ship, he wasn't. So
Speaker 1: it just is what it is, what I'm saying, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you man. You know that, you know that.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming, my boy. That's a wrap man episode
Speaker 1: one in the can j R. Smith. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Hopefully see you on the on the court man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep us updated. Man, the Laker sign you.
Speaker 1: We know you're about to buy a house out of
Speaker 1: here anyway, so Lakers you might as well. He's here.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I'm gonna work out anyway. Free Jr.
Speaker 1: Free mellow. We'll see y'all next week. M hm m
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