WEBVTT - Plan B (2021) with Danielle Bezalel 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.120 Attention Bechdel Cast listeners a WUGA. We are doing a 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.320 live show in Los Angeles, plus it's being live streamed 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:15.240 to everywhere in the world on March second, seven thirty pm. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.840 For the in person show in LA it is at 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:24.000 Dynasty Typewriter or on your Internet and it's a Bechdel 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.160 Cast celebration. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.600 Yes, we are super, super excited. We've wanted to do 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.680 this show for a long time. We will be having 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.400 a few secret guests that we'll be announcing a little 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.000 closer to the show, but some of your favorite guests 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.239 from the show are going to be there. This is 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.600 also happening on Oscars Night, so it'll be at seven 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.440 thirty Pacific, which will be basically right after the Oscars ends. 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.599 So if you're in the area or if you want 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.080 to get a live stream ticket, it's a great chance 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.920 to have you know your Oscar's post mortem. We will 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.800 be there in our substance costplay giving our hottest, spiciest 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.000 takes possible, so we hope to see you there if 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.959 you're there in person. There's also exclusive merch, especially if 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.720 you are a member of our Matreon. Yeah, and all 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.000 proceeds from the show are going to be to victims 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.279 of the LA fires, specifically families in Alta Dina. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.920 Indeed, so grab tickets either for the in person LA 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:25.160 Show on March second or the live stream show which 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.360 if you cannot see the live stream as it's happening, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.680 if you get a live stream ticket, you'll still have 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.720 access for one week after and you'll be able to 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.800 watch it at your leisure for that week. And tickets 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.120 for both the in person show and the live stream 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.240 are on our link tree link tree slash Bechtel Cast. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.560 We will see you there, see you there, Enjoy the episode. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.840 On the Bechda Cast. The questions ask if movies have 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.840 women and them are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:02.320 Or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy zeffim vast 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.200 start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.160 Hey Jamie, Hey Caitln, do you wanna drive in my 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.960 mom's minivan three and a half hours away so that 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.839 I can get access to important reproductive healthcare. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:21.280 Sounds like a fun ramp to me. Let's go. Let's go. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.440 Wow perfect intro, no notes. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:27.880 My name is Jamie Loftis. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.519 My name is Caylin Durante. This is our podcast where 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.519 we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.920 Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. Today is 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.560 a special episode for me at least. Yes, So we're 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.120 talking about the movie Plan B, the one from twenty 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.760 twenty one, because as I was searching Plan B, there 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.240 are so many movies with that title. Yes, this is 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.720 the twenty twenty one Plan B. I think a Hulu 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:58.359 original film. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.920 It is, which is very funny because I bundle my 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.760 Hulu with my Disney Plus and so you can see 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.120 a pierced dick on Disney Plus. Pretty cool, pretty awesome. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:11.600 I have a lot of thoughts about that scene, but 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:12.240 we'll get there. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.160 I do too, So this is. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:19.160 The movie about teens trying to get access to the 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.960 morning after pill. Now the reason we're doing this movie, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.919 and we'll get into it in a moment. But I 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.160 if you're listening to this, I guess just when it 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.760 comes out or afterward. I have just gotten a hysterectomy, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.400 so I'll provide some more information about that. But I 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.000 wanted to cover a movie about trying to get access 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.080 to reproductive healthcare to line up with me getting a hysterectomy. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:49.520 So this is the Plan B episode and here to 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.840 talk with us about the movie. Is a sex educator, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.920 pleasure expert, and rom com critic. She's also the host 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.000 of the podcast sex Ed with DP. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.920 Actually the perfect guests for this. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:08.000 I mean, hello, Yeah. This podcast has a series entitled 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.200 rom Com Bomb where they go under the covers with 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:15.240 a beloved rom com strip away it's hidden toxic messages 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.120 and then rewrite the script on love and sex. Our 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.760 guest is Danielle Bezilel. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.960 Welcome, Hello, Thank you so much for having me. I 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:28.240 am absolutely thrilled to be here to talk about my 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:32.919 favorite things, which are sex education, emergency, contraception, and feminism. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.960 Yay, let's go, let's go. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.640 What is your relationship with this movie? 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.359 I really love this film. I saw it for the 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:46.000 first time last year. It had come up on my 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.640 kind of homepage on Hulu as the algorithm knows what 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.280 we like a few times, and I was just very 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:57.760 excited to get into it, to get cracking. And I 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.680 think overall it's fantastic. Really enjoy many parts of it. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.159 I think the script is very funny. I really enjoy 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.840 the realisticness of high schoolers trying to figure it all 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.520 out and just trying to get access to their reproductive 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.000 rights that they deserve. And we also at SEXI with 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.000 dB had on the actress kouhou Verma, who plays Sonny 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.000 on an episode to talk about sex scenes and the 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.680 way in which that minorities interact with their parents and 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.719 around sexual identity and culture. And it's a very rich episode. 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.320 So yeah, I really enjoy this film and can't wait. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.039 To talk about it today. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.599 Awesome, that's so cool that you had her on your show. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.480 Yeah, she's very funny, very talented, and incredible singer. I 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.640 don't know if you remember. There's a really a bos 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.120 scene where she's singing in the car and I'm like, okay, 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.520 all the phone. I need to get more information on that, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.599 and then learn that she is a trained singer and 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.320 I've seen some of her clips and she's incredibly talented. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:56.280 No big deal. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.720 Yeah, Jamie, what's your relationship with the movie. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.000 I had not seen this movie before, but I am 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.919 a longtime fan of the director of this movie, Natalie Morales, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.080 who started as an actor. I believe this is her 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.719 first directorial project. I could be wrong about that, but yeah, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.359 I think she's super talented. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:18.039 You know. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.560 I have my thoughts on the movie, which we will 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:25.080 talk about, but yeah, I enjoyed the movie a lot. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.520 I know that we covered Gosh a year or two 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.000 ago Unpregnant, which came out around the same time and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.800 has a similar theme, but I think this one took 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.720 the cake for me. We'll talk about it, but in general, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.440 you know, and I know, Danielle, like you are the 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.680 expert on this, Like, even though there are parts of 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.440 it that were imperfect for me, I just am glad 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:52.359 that this genre of movie exists and that it you know, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.520 the creative control is being put into the hands of 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.359 people with uteruses, and creatives with uteruses. Who are you know, 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.119 just starting the conversation. So yeah, I laughed, I cried. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.400 I like both. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.200 There were some moments where I was like, the comedy's 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:07.839 getting a little too broad for me, and I would 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.200 just start to check out, and then something really sweet 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.160 and beautiful would happen, and then I would be like 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.600 locked back in. What was her history with this Caitlin? 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.920 I had not seen it before, and in fact I 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.280 picked it before. I was like, this is the movie 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.520 that I'm going to have like line up with my 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.240 hysterectomy experience before even watching it, because I knew that 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.880 it was tonally light, which is something that I wanted, 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.040 and that it was about people with uteruses trying to 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.120 exercise autonomy over their bodies and their reproductive health, and 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.600 since that has been my journey with trying to get 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.600 a hysterectomy, I was like, Okay, thematically similar enough, because 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.400 the thing about movies about hysterectomies is that they don't 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:59.600 exist except for Okay. I was like googling this. There 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.920 are a couple, but they're either like TV movies that 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.600 you've never heard of and can't access, or I think 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.880 there might be a documentary about it. Anyway, I did 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:16.440 come across a nineteen ninety six TV movie entitled Maternal Instincts, 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:21.400 in which, and I quote, oh no, a pregnant doctor's 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:25.880 life is made hell by the deranged patient to whom 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.600 she gave a hysterectomy without the patient's consent. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.480 The histeror is doing a lot of heavy lifting in 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.320 that description. Yeah, she's Louise. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.200 So I was like, maybe not the vibe I'm going for, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.760 So yeah, I just decided to go with Plan B. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.920 It was a movie I wanted to watch. Anyway, We've 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.360 gotten a number of requests for it, so that's why 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.520 we're covering it. But yeah, I just wanted to talk 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.760 a little bit more about this experience of me trying 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.800 to get a history direct to me. One, I want 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.120 to normalize a discussion like this, and two it's been 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.679 a very frustrating several decades. Also, if you don't know 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.880 what a hysterectomy is, because I've discovered recently after telling 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.920 a number of people I'm getting a hysterectomy soon, people 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:17.000 are like, what's that. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.760 I honestly, before you started talking about it with me, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.960 I misunderstood what the procedure actually was because it's not 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:30.679 I mean, so much sex ed is so prescriptive aggressively 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:34.880 so but yeah, the idea of choice barely ever comes. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.320 Up for sure, So uh, what it is is that 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:43.120 I am having my uterus removed. A hystectomy also might 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:48.000 involve removal of the ovaries. I'm hoping that that doesn't 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.040 happen because that will mean that I would go into 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.520 immediate menopause. It will mean a significant shift to like 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.760 my hormones and stuff like that, so I'm hoping they're 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:03.360 able to leave my ovaries. It'll depend on how riddled 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.520 with endometriosis all of those organs are. So this is 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.920 why I'm having the hysterectomy. I have dealt with horrible, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.559 horrible period pain ever since I started having periods when 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.960 I was twelve years old. It is probably due to endometriosis, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.559 although I don't have an official diagnosis of that because. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:22.520 Those are so hard to get. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.160 Yeah, because you know, medical science doesn't give a shit 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.559 about people with uteruses. And to be clear, we're using 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.800 that phrase of people with uteruses on this episode because 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.760 people will commonly talk about things like access to birth control, 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.360 access to abortion, access to a hysterectomy as something that 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:46.280 women get. But not all women were born with uteruses. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.360 Not all people who have a uterus and who might 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.640 be trying to get birth control or a hysterectomy or 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:57.280 access to abortion or whatever are women. Obviously, we're not 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.360 trying to reduce anyone to their body parts more or that. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.280 We just want to acknowledge the pretty cisnormative way that people, 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.760 including a lot of medical professionals, talk about who has 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.760 a uterus, who needs access to reproductive health care all 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.760 of that. But anyway, So, I have wanted to get 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:21.600 a hysterectomy basically ever since I started having periods, and 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:26.760 I've been asking doctors about it since probably my twenties. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.839 One because I want to eliminate this pain, and two 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.080 because I famously do not want to have children and 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.240 therefore do not need a uterus for any reason. So 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.120 I was asking doctors about this and being like, is 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.160 this an option for me? I have this horrible pain? 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.160 And I got nothing but pushback from every doctor I 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.920 talked to. They said it wasn't medically necessary for me 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.160 to have a hysterectomy, despite the excruciating pain that I 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.280 would describe to them. 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.559 It's like, what is medically necessary? 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:56.760 Then? 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.440 If I'm telling you that this is an absolute trash 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.480 experience makes me so mad. I'm so sorry that you 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:03.079 went through. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.440 That and for so long too. Where I mean, I 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.680 know we've talked about this, and you've talked about this 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.559 on the show before, but how there is like I think, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.040 a false narrative about like we've come so far and 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.320 it's like, well, no, You've been having the same conversation 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.839 with doctors for literally decades and HM, again, it's just 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.839 like there's a lack of choice, definitely. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.439 So I would be like, well, I think I probably 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.800 have endometriosis because my mom, both of her sisters, their 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.880 mother all had to have hysterectomies because of endometriosis. So 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:39.440 I'm like, it's probably the thing with me too. But 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.800 I would talk to doctors about this and they'd be like, well, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.199 who knows if you have that, because it's really hard 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:46.960 to diagnose, and then they would just leave it at 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.720 that and like not try to diagnose it or anything 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.600 like that. So I would get pushed back about that, 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.040 or they would say like, well, you'll change your mind 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.880 about not wanting to have children, you know, all that classics. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.320 That is until I went to a doctor recently who 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.560 said that a hysterectomy is on the table for me. Again, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.520 I still don't have an official diagnosis of endometriosis. They 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.640 are just believing me about the pain I experience, and 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.920 they're believing me about not wanting to have kids. I 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.800 think it helps that I have already gotten my tubes tied, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.520 which is a procedure I had done three years ago. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.640 I think that is sufficient proof for them that I 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:30.000 don't want to have children, so they're like, yes, let's 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.840 do the hysterectomy. So at the time of this recording, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.040 it has not happened yet by the time you're listening 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:40.080 to this, it will have happened on February twelfth. So 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.080 that's why, again, I wanted to pick a movie to 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:48.360 line up with the just theme of a story about 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.640 a person with a uterus who is trying to and 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:56.280 it is eventually able to exercise autonomy over their reproductive health. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.400 And again, I wanted it to be tonally light and 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.079 fun because I wanted to like kind of reflect how 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.400 I feel about having this surgery. I know that a 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:10.080 lot of people who get a hysterectomy do not necessarily 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.600 feel the like joy and validation that I feel about it, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.280 and I fully recognize that, but for me, this is 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.440 like a very validating thing. This is exactly what I've 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.800 like always wanted. So I wanted to cover a movie 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.840 that's like light and cathartic. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.280 I also sorry, I just want to say, like, go 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.480 you for like saying this in the public, Like this 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.840 can be, you know, similar to periods. I feel like 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:37.040 as a sex educator, I'm constantly talking to people about 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.720 how they feel so much shame around their periods and 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.200 around anything having to do with their reproductive health and 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.080 their sexual health. And I just think good on you 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.320 for like being open and honest and transparent about what 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.400 you're going through, because I just feel like people are 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.680 going through similar things and it might be an isolating 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.280 experience for people, and so I feel like the way 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.120 that we combat stigma and shame is through educ and information. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:02.160 So that's what you're doing. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:08.120 Yay, Hey yeah, Lit Kay kay, Lit, Wow, I'm a hero, brave. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.000 No, But I mean it's even outside of reproductive rights 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.880 you've been talking about just difficulty accessing basic procedures you need, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:16.680 going back to the sludge era. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:17.760 Oh my gosh. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:18.080 Yeah. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.000 So for any listeners who don't know about sludge, if 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:27.920 you're new here, If you're new here, sludge refers to wow, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:29.840 this is like six years ago now, because this happened 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.680 in twenty nineteen where I had a gall bladder attack 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.920 and was discovered to have quote unquote sludge in my 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:45.520 gall bladder. Medical medical sludge yes, actually weirdly a scientific 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.960 medical term. I would come to find out bone chilling, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.080 and I had to have my gall bladder removed. So 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.560 this is not my third pretty major surgery between gallbladder removal, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.840 tube tying, and now hysterectomy. So I'm a season and veteran. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.440 But the gallbladder thing was, I had like very bad 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.480 insurance at the time. I had to drum through so 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.600 many hoops just to get access to a very simple 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.400 procedure that's like quite common. It took months and months 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.760 and months of appointments and referrals and dead ends and 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.480 all kinds of nonsense. Where what should have happened is 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.440 when I went to the er with like, you know, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:29.520 cruciating gallbladder pain. You know, in a country with socialized medicine, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.320 they would have been like, oh, yeah, this is what's wrong. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.640 Here's your surgery the next day. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.080 It's also worth mentioning even places with socialized medicine like 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.600 access can still be an issue even if financial isn't 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.920 you know, if if the problem isn't finance, sometimes it's 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:48.160 just doctors being gender prescriptive and making assumptions about your 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:48.760 body too. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:54.960 It's just definitely yeah, yeah, So I've been having difficulty 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:01.400 accessing health care for years now, but now my uterus 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.680 sludge aka presumed endometriosis. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.000 Unfortunately, I feel like so many Daniel, I'm curious what 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.480 your experiences of this, Like, I only learned what endometriosis 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.439 was when I was having tremendous pain myself and was 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.840 trying to figure out and think, I mean, I didn't 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.680 have endometriosis. I had a horrific uti but the urgent 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.399 care I went to was not listening to me, and 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.600 so I was just in the internet trench as being like, 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.880 what could this be? But I'd never heard endometriosis discussed 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.520 in any space as I'd been in. I think because 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.399 of the shame stigma, and I got very poor sex ed. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.320 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me based 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.679 on how terrible our sex that is, how unlikely we 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.280 are to listen to women and people with uterus in 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.440 particular when they're talking about pain. The average time it takes, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.760 and this is a huge range to receive an accurate 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.640 diagnosis of endometriosis between four and eleven years. I've heard 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:59.600 you know within that it's kind of like an eight 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:05.280 year diagnosis journey, And yeah, that is a multi layered 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.080 issue as to why that's happening. I feel like, you 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.360 know it's just one of the many conditions reproductive health 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.959 conditions that aren't talked about enough. Doctors aren't trained on 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.119 how to diagnose it, and doctors are also less likely 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.359 to listen and pay attention to women and people with 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.320 uterus is pain and so like that. You know, then 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.000 you're talking about like all the other kind of intersectional 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.400 feminist lenses that we're going to go through. I'm sure 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.399 in this episode of like you know, bipop folks are 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.399 less likely to get diagnoses of reproductive chronic conditions, and 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.359 so yeah, I just think it's it's a multi layered 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:42.240 issue here. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.639 For any listeners who don't know what endometriosis is, and Danielle, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.399 feel free to fill inity blanks or anything that I 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:56.360 kind of have gotten wrong. But it's basically uterine tissue 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.600 like uterine lining that would normally grow inside the uterus 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.960 and then be shed during your period. Endometriosis is when 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:09.399 that grows outside of your uterus and like attaches itself 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.680 to like the exterior of the uterus or your ovaries 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.360 or other Like the doctor who is going through all 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.080 of the possible things that might happen during my surgery, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.320 she's like, yeah, we find endometriosis sometimes on your appendix, 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.000 so we might give you an appendectomy. We find endometriosis 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.560 sometimes on your lower intestines. It might be on your 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.639 fallopian tubes. Like it can kind of grow anywhere in 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.600 that general region and it causes intense pain, or it 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.600 can especially during menstruation. At least that's been the case 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:43.120 for me. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.760 Yes, totally. And the exact cause of endometriosis unknown, right, Like, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:54.199 not enough money is going into research and scientific studies 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.520 for it. I hope that is beginning to change. But yeah, 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.320 the symptoms for folks can range and can be incredibly 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.600 painful and can even cause folks to not even be 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.600 able to like get up there in so much pain, 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.040 or they'll have to miss school or work or you know, 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.200 it's just it's just a really tough condition to have. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.159 Yeah, I would have to miss school sometimes, especially when 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.560 I was a teen. So for many years I was 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.119 on some form of birth control that would curb the pain. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.280 But I was like, I don't want to do that forever, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.399 so heince Hys directed me. But yeah, when I was 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.800 a teenager, I would miss school routinely. If I did 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.800 go to school when I was on my period, I 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.879 would often like throw up because I was so sick 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.440 a feeling, and then I would have to be sent 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:45.120 home like it was, It's been a horrible, painful journey. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.400 What's really we just to talk about the movie at 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.320 some point, I'm like, this is so interesting, though, I like, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:53.479 I've been thinking about this a lot, especially with your 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.959 procedure coming up, Caitlin, of how much of this can 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.760 be sort of like generationally passed on as deal with it, 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.560 because when I was having really painful periods that luckily 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.639 for me, is sort of ebbed as I got older, 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:09.680 But I had really painful periods when I was young, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.680 and I remember being told by like relatives with uteruses 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.119 and school nurses with uteruses like that's just sort of 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:21.119 what it is, and like do your homework, like and 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.960 then on the other end, I think about young boys, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:26.359 which is the point about this movie I want to 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.800 talk about, you know, and I mean boys as people 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.840 with penises in this case. But how if you don't 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.120 have a uterus and you're listening to this episode, keep 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.080 listening because it's so important, Like because we're not educated 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.080 on each other's bodies. I feel like it just you know, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.000 engenders this real It makes it really easy to not 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.000 empathize with people experiencing that pain because it's not treated 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.520 as valid societally, and it means that often your sexual partners, 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.440 Like I've had pain that I've described to sexual partners 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.760 who I don't think we're like not empathetic people, but 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:03.159 they just did not know what I was talking about, 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.000 and it makes it really, I don't know, like it. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.359 It is difficult to have that conversation when you're you 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.920 have to educate someone while in tremendous pain like that 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.720 shouldn't be the two hander. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.120 Well, shall we take a break and then we'll come 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:22.560 back and talk about the movie. 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:23.679 Let's do it. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.879 And we're back. Thank you for indulging me as I 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:42.480 talked about my endometriosis and uterus and periods and pain 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.560 and all of that stuff. But again, we're trying to 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:45.280 normalize it. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:48.480 Yes, anytime, please. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.840 It's important. It's you gotta what does this show for it? 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.359 If not this exact purpose? True? 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:59.040