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Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, Hey Caitln, do you wanna drive in my

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Speaker 2: Wow perfect intro, no notes. Welcome to the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jamie Loftis.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caylin Durante. This is our podcast where

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Speaker 1: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel test simply as a jumping off point. Today is

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Speaker 1: a special episode for me at least. Yes, So we're

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Speaker 1: talking about the movie Plan B, the one from twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, because as I was searching Plan B, there

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Speaker 1: are so many movies with that title. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Plan B. I think a Hulu

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Speaker 2: It is, which is very funny because I bundle my

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Speaker 2: Hulu with my Disney Plus and so you can see

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Speaker 2: a pierced dick on Disney Plus. Pretty cool, pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts about that scene, but

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Speaker 1: The movie about teens trying to get access to the

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Speaker 1: So this is the Plan B episode and here to

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Speaker 1: talk with us about the movie. Is a sex educator,

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Speaker 1: I mean, hello, Yeah. This podcast has a series entitled

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Speaker 1: What is your relationship with this movie?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I really enjoy this film and can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I wrote down this Christian hates hot topic. That's his

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Speaker 1: The girls head to school. Sonny tells Lupe that she

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so Chris Magic. I feel like that be

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Speaker 1: Dratch shows them a video that's.

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Speaker 3: Perfect casting, great casting.

435
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: Yes, the video is like promoting abstinence until marriage and

436
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: it's particularly slut shamy toward women. And Sonny and Hunter

437
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: start pointing out the sexist double standards of the video

438
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: and they're kind of vibing. And then after class, loope

439
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: wing woman's for Sonny and says, hey, Hunter, Sonny is

440
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: throwing a party tonight, which she isn't except now she is,

441
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: especially since Sonny's mom is out of town this weekend.

442
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: So we cut to the party. Eventually Hunter shows up

443
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: and he and Sonny are vibing some more. Then Sonny

444
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: gives herself a makeover after hearing that mean girl Megan

445
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: saying some very rude things about Sonny.

446
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the soundtrack to this movie. I feel

447
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: like when I was hearing it was just very early

448
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: twenty tens coded to me, where like when fuck the

449
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Painoay is playing during a makeover sequence, You're just like, Yeah, this,

450
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: whoever this director was was really raging in like twenty

451
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: eleven for sure.

452
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: So she's feeling more confident now, although she sees Hunter

453
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: leave with Megan and she's like wow, wah. Then she

454
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: starts talking to Kyle the Magician, the Chris Magich, Chris

455
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: you will. They have a heart to heart and then

456
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: they have sex. And we'll go back to this scene

457
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: because there's there's some notes to discuss here around consent,

458
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I would say, but we'll return to that they have sex. Kyle,

459
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: feeling guilty that he just had premarital sex, runs off,

460
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: and Sonny kind of reunites with Loupe. They pass out

461
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: on the couch and we cut to the next day.

462
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Sonny tells Lupe that she had sex. Lupe assumes that

463
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: it was with Hunter, and for whatever reason, Sonny doesn't

464
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: correct her. Then she goes to p and the condom

465
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: she and Kyle used falls out of her vagina and

466
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: now she's worried she might be pregnant, since it was

467
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: like sitting there all night.

468
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: I had this thought where it's like she she does

469
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: think she might be pregnant, but she also thinks she

470
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: might be gregnant, which means that maybe the better name

471
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: for this movie would have been playing g there. So true,

472
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: but that's you know, mistakes are made in every production.

473
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: And it's really weird that that kid's name is Kyle

474
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: because his name should have been Greg.

475
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: He's very greg coated.

476
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: What am I missing something about this Greg? What's going on?

477
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: No, there's just a Sometimes people think that pregnancy is

478
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: called a pregnancy, but it's actually called a Gregnancy.

479
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Actually, Danielle, I'm curious, like this actually is relevant to

480
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: your Alina study.

481
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm following, I'm following.

482
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Okay, I'm not joking out. Have

483
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: you seen that viral video from it got at least

484
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: ten years ago that is composed of like Yahoo answers questions.

485
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like we should just send you

486
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: the video. But it's a list of questions about pregnancy

487
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: from mostly since men, and it is right.

488
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: I think I know there is a version, am I?

489
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: So it's two different I understand.

490
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: So is just a bunch of people misspelling the word

491
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: pregnant and then one of them is gregnant. So that

492
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: has just caught on, understood and.

493
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: Also just speaks to I think, like genuinely does speak

494
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: to the lack of sex education in the US, because

495
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: some of the questions are like when you have sex

496
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: with gregnant, does Penis touched the baby hit his head

497
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff where you're just like, oh,

498
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: open the schools. It's very open the schools.

499
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: Energy, Yeah, force you to sit down and learn some facts. Yes,

500
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: this is this is a big yeggs roney. No, I'm

501
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: gonna have to watch that. I have seen. On the

502
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: other hand, the song video where he's like, am I

503
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: pregnant or whatever it was?

504
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's based on the same thing for sure.

505
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: For sure. Great, Okay, so she thinks she's pregnant, but

506
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: she also thinks she's pregnant, as you pointed out, Jamie

507
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: and Loupe is like, well, don't sweat it. We'll just

508
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: go to a pharmacy and get you a plan B pill.

509
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: They go to the pharmacy, but the pharmacist played by

510
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: Jay Chandras tekar Aka mister super Troopers refusal.

511
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was struggling. Okay, yep.

512
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he directed at least one, maybe multiple super Troopers movies,

513
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: and he also is one of the stars of those movies. Anyway,

514
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: he's a pharmacist and he refuses to sell them the

515
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: Plan B pill because they are in South Dakota, and

516
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: he invokes the conscience clause say that selling a minor

517
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: a Plan B pill goes against his moral beliefs.

518
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: A policy that I was not aware of. Really, Oh

519
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: my gosh, yeah, I don't know how I had never heard,

520
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: but like I fell down a rabbit hole after that,

521
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: because I mean, not surprising, but absurd.

522
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Very absurd. And so because they're both I think seventeen,

523
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: or they're minors, so he has the quote unquote right

524
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: to invoke this clause.

525
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: He can decide what happens to their bodies. Yeah.

526
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: So that means and get ready for this poetry from

527
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: yours truly, it means that their Plan A to get

528
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: Plan B if the pharmacy doesn't work out. So their

529
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Plan B is to get Plan B at Plan P

530
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: aka planned parenthood.

531
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: And somehow all of this ends up being planed G

532
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 2: just plan Greg Greg.

533
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: Oh, Greg, I'm like, I'm with you, okay.

534
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: So the point is they're trying to get to a

535
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: planned parenthood. The nearest one is like three hours away

536
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: in Rapid City, South Dakota. So they take Sonny's mom's

537
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: minivan and start driving to Rapid City. There is a

538
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: mishap with like road construction and GPS reception, and they

539
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: get lost for a little while. They stop at a

540
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: gas station and get very silly directions from a woman

541
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: named Doris Edie Patterson.

542
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: If you're a righteous Gemstones fan, She's amazing.

543
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 3: That's who she is.

544
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: I did not love that character, but I love that.

545
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: After yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they are these like

546
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: two creepy guys who harass Sonny and Loupe. Doris comes

547
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to their rescue. They smoke weed with her. By this time,

548
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty late and Doris points out that Planned Parenthood

549
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: is probably closed for the night, but Plan B is

550
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: most effective when taken in the first twenty four hours

551
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: of the sexual encounter. Then it drops down to I

552
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: think sixty one percent efficacy within forty eight hours according

553
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: to the movie. So Doris suggests that they pay a

554
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: visit to her drug dealer, nephew Andy at the local playground.

555
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: They go and meet up with Andy.

556
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

557
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Moses Storm, Yeah, played by a friend of mine. Did

558
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: not know he was in this movie. And this scene

559
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: is another one that we'll talk about. Andy doesn't seem

560
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: to have Plan B, but he's about to sell them

561
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: fake IDs so that they can acquire it at a pharmacy.

562
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: But he's selling the fake id's for three hundred dollars,

563
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: which they don't have. And he's like, well, you can

564
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: perform oral sex on me in exchange for the fake ID,

565
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: and Sonny is like, okay, I guess. And then we

566
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: see a full frontal penis nudity.

567
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: On Disney plus Disney Dyes, Disney plus Mickey's Network.

568
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: For god's sakes, we come to this place to watch

569
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Mowana and look at what I'm looking at. This scene

570
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: bugged me. We'll come back to it.

571
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: We'll come back to it.

572
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: This is where the comedy was getting so broad that

573
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: I felt like the point of the movie was being.

574
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: A little bit lost for sure. Yeah, I really struggled

575
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: with this scene, and we'll go into why. But the

576
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: point is she can't go through with this transaction, so

577
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: she like you know gets away, but in so doing,

578
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: she accidentally rips out the penis ring that's at the

579
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: tip of his penis because it gets caught in her hair.

580
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: So now they have to run off. It's all this

581
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: high jinks, but not before Loope steals the pill that

582
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: may or may not be Plan B, but it also

583
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: might be PCP. They get into the car with Loop

584
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: A driving and they take a detour to a show

585
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: that her boy friend Logan is playing in a nearby

586
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: town at a bowling alley. So they get there and

587
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: guess who else is at the bowling alley. It's Sonny's

588
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: crush Hunter.

589
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Wow, the male feminist himself has entered the entered the

590
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: bowling alley mm and he's like.

591
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I didn't hook up with Megan at

592
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: your party. I just gave her a ride home because

593
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: she was really drunk. And so Hunter and Sonny dance

594
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: and have a nice time. Meanwhile, Lupe approaches Logan, who

595
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: we think is like the lead singer dude, but just kidding,

596
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: it's the drummer who's a girl twist. And they finally

597
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: meet and they hang out and they're vibing, and.

598
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: That's played by Mahala Harald, who I recognized from Body's

599
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: Body's Bodies.

600
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Oh bye, Okay.

601
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: I thought maybe she was also in an episode of

602
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: Black Mirror that I had seen. I did not confirm that, but.

603
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I can confirm that she was great. She's popping up.

604
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: She's great. She's also in Industry, which I think is

605
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: a pretty good show.

606
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that yet.

607
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. She's in that as well. Yeah, she's

608
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: popping up right now, but nice.

609
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for her.

610
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: This is like, what a lovely moment, the debut of Logan.

611
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: Yes, I enjoyed it very much, and I enjoy their connection.

612
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: They hang out, Lupe and Logan do. But Lupe has

613
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: not told Sonny that she's queer, nor has Lupe come

614
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: out to her very religious father, and so part of

615
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: what she and Logan talk about is coming out, whether

616
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: or not they have been or will be rejected by

617
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: their family, you know, finding found family, that kind of thing.

618
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: Oh.

619
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: I love that scene. I'm sure we'll come back to it,

620
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: but I just really loved it so sweet.

621
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Sonny and Hunter are having waffles kind of like

622
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: how Donkey wants waffles and Shrek d.

623
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: Shrek coded scene. Yeah.

624
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she tells Hunter the whole story about how

625
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: she had sex with someone and now she might be

626
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: pregnant or pregnant, and that she's trying to get the

627
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Plan B pill and she's being really hard on herself

628
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: and he's being supportive and sweet.

629
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: Which I really love, Like, I love how sweet and

630
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: supportive he is. The cynical demon. Part of me did

631
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: write down was this young man raised by a stack

632
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: of glorious Steinhem books like because but I feel like

633
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: that is like a good use of like maybe slightly unrealistic,

634
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: Like it's a good model for young people to see that,

635
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: like this is hot. This is the person to have

636
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: a crush on. From a realism aspect of it's like, oh,

637
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: the one cis boy who has internalized nothing. But I

638
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: kind of he was raised by a stack of books,

639
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: and I celebrate that for him. I like that character.

640
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: He's sweet, it's nice. Yes, part of me is just

641
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: like maybe teenagers are just like that nowadays. Well I

642
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't talk to them, maybe.

643
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: Not talk to teenagers.

644
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: I personally don't know one teenager. But I kind of

645
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: love that this is a model because I think that's

646
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 3: how we learn and how young people learn. Like ideally

647
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: a young person has seen this film and thought like, oh,

648
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: that's kind of cool, like and I just think that, like, yeah,

649
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: it perpetuates the cycle if we're just consistently like putting

650
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: in kind of like sludge into our you know, our

651
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: male characters. So I I like the sweetness, even though yeah,

652
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: maybe a touch over the top.

653
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean that's yeah, that's not like an actual That

654
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: was just me having watched thousands of movies and being like,

655
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm not the target audience for this movie.

656
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: It's it's for teenagers.

657
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is nice to see a very sweet

658
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: and supportive teen boy character. And then they kiss on

659
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: the lips. Yeah okay. Oh. Then Loupe is about to

660
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: introduce Sonny to Logan and effectively come out to Sonny,

661
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: but then it appears as though Logan has stolen Sonny's

662
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: mom's van with Loupe's phone in it, so they're freaking out.

663
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: Sonny takes the pill, which might be Plan B or

664
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: it might be PCP, and she starts yelling at Loupe.

665
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: They get in a fight. They eventually find the van

666
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: via like the Find My Friend app on Sunny's phone.

667
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: It's at a party which Lupe and Sonny have to

668
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: crash to confront Logan and get the keys back.

669
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: Writing wise, I love when like modern technology is used

670
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: well within a teen movie, because I feel like some

671
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: writers give up and they're just like their phone drowned.

672
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: But I love I was like, of course, that is

673
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: exactly what a teenager would do, is like, and that

674
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: would just be an automatic reaction. I thought that was great.

675
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: Or it's like, I don't know how to implement modern

676
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: technolog in my story. So it's set in two thousand

677
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: and one.

678
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Right, which is a lot of contemporary movies where they're

679
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: just like, well, this could all be solved with Google Maps,

680
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: so I need I need to turn back time. It's like, no,

681
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: you can still fuck yourself over in the present day.

682
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: We do it all the time every day.

683
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So they find Logan. She's like, sorry, it

684
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: was my lead singer Xander, who's on drugs. He took

685
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: the van. Meanwhile, the pill that Sonny took was probably speed,

686
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: so she's you know, like at an eleven, there's altso

687
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: high jinks. They eventually get the keys back. Loupe and

688
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: Logan say goodbye, and then Sonny and Lupe head off

689
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: in the car. Sonny's like, why didn't you tell me

690
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: you're queer? And Loupe is like, I was afraid it would,

691
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, change the dynamic in our relationship, and Sonny's like, no,

692
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I love you forever, no matter what. Then Kyle calls

693
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Sonny and Loope picks up the phone, and Kyle starts

694
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: talking about all the regret he's feeling and the sin

695
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: he committed by having premarital sex, and Lupe hears all

696
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: this and she's like, what the hell I thought Hunter

697
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: is the person you had sex with. Why did you

698
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: lie about that? And so they just kind of like

699
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: air all of their grievances and talk about their feelings

700
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: and insecurities, and then Kyle's just like, what about my

701
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: feelings and they're like, we don't care anyway. It's the

702
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: next morning. They arrive at the Planned Parenthood in Rapid City,

703
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: only to discover that this location has been permanently shut down.

704
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: God, this is devastating.

705
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sonny breaks down crying. This was like, you know,

706
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: her last hope kind of thing. She really wants her mom.

707
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: Loupe consoles her. They drive back home, Loupe and her

708
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: father reconcile. She doesn't explicitly come out to him, but

709
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: it seems like he knows or he's like getting the hint,

710
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: and he seems fine with it. Meanwhile, at Sonny's at first,

711
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: her mom reprimands Sonny for taking the car and being reckless,

712
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: but Sonny explains that she was trying to get access

713
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: to the morning after pill cut to the pharmacy in

714
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: their town. Sonny's mom gets Plan B for her, so yay,

715
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: she finally got access to the healthcare she needed.

716
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: I loved I didn't see the ending coming, and I

717
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: really appreciated that her mom showed up for her. That

718
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: was like, really really cool.

719
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. And then the button at the

720
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: end of the movie is that Sonny's mom finds the

721
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: penis ring from the drug dealer's penis.

722
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: The end, Woo gives a little cent.

723
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, put that near your face. Okay,

724
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: that's the movie. Let's take another quick break and then

725
00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: we'll come back to discuss.

726
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: And we're back.

727
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Danielle, where would you like to start?

728
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: Oh my, there's so much content. I mean maybe at

729
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: the sex scene. Does that feel appropriate?

730
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start with what we didn't like and then

731
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: get into the yeah.

732
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'll place a content warning here for what

733
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: is arguably sexual assault because I think that the consent

734
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: in this sex scene between Sonny and Kyle is very,

735
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: very murky, way murkier than I would have liked.

736
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: Or hoped, which I found frustrating because at this point

737
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: the movie is like kind of like puffing its feathers

738
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: out as like having an understanding of consent in several

739
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: jokes that come before this, including like two minutes earlier,

740
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: where you know, Sonny says as a joke like I'm

741
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: not gonna take no for an answer with consent, of course,

742
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: and you know, Lupe is like, yes, of course, but

743
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: then the movie doesn't really seem to understand it was frustrating.

744
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically what happens is that Sonny initiates sexual

745
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: contact with Kyle without like checking in with him first.

746
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: You can see the shock on his face as she

747
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: does this. She proceeds onward. So like the idea that

748
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: anything that is not an enthusiastic yes is a no,

749
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: using that as a metric or like that is the criteria,

750
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, he is not giving an enthusiastic yes really

751
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: at any point in this scene.

752
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: Because she says like, I'm touching your thing or whatever,

753
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: and he says, yes, you are, which is not consent.

754
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: It's just stating already happening to him, right.

755
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: And then eventually they like things progress and he says

756
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: he does say like, yes, I want this, but we

757
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: don't know if that's just because he's feeling pressured into

758
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: this because Sonny is coming on very strong. We don't

759
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: know anything because they have not openly talked about this

760
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: in advance, so we're not sure how he's actually feeling.

761
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: They have sex immediately afterwards, Kyle freaks out. He feels

762
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: instant regret and guilt throughout the movie. He's calling her

763
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: like wanting to talk about this. She blows him off.

764
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that like women should be doing

765
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: unnecessary emotional labor for men, but like, but this is.

766
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: A different situation.

767
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

768
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: It really I felt like that character again, just like

769
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: there are moments where the movie chose comedy over what

770
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: the movie is about, and it felt like Kyle's character

771
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: was a part of that where they're like, oh, he's

772
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: a magician, he's a loser. He loves his youth group

773
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: too much, so we don't need to care about whether

774
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: he is given consent for things or or you know,

775
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: as he's calling her later that I feel like the

776
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: movie kind of treats it as absurd that a SIS

777
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: man would feel a type of way about anything. And

778
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, religious trauma around sex affects people

779
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: all genders, and I feel like, again, it's for some reason,

780
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: you know, the movie treats certain like it treats Sonny

781
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: and Lupez trauma and concerns and shame as valid, but

782
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: then there are exceptions to that, and I just it

783
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: really bummed me out for Kyle because it just felt

784
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: like and again it's like, you can you can show

785
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: empathy for that character without the movie becoming about sis boys.

786
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: Like I just thought it was weird that it seemed

787
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: like the movie took almost any opportunity to like blow

788
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: off and make fun of this character who appeared to

789
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: be first of all, like you're saying, Caitlin, the consent

790
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: was very murky, and even if the consent, even if

791
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: we're saying the consent was given, was experiencing a lot

792
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: of like religious shame and trauma after it, and that

793
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: is like a valid thing. I don't know, I was

794
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: just confused about that point.

795
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have. I have a couple thoughts on this.

796
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 3: So I think, like number one, Sonny appears to be drunk, right,

797
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: so theoretically she can't consent and a sexual experience shouldn't

798
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: have taken place. However, is this how like high schoolers

799
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 3: engage in sexual acts? Like, yes, a lot of high

800
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: schoolers are drinking and are engaging in sexual acts in

801
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: this way. So in sex ed class we like to

802
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 3: kind of talk about harm reduction right of being like, sure,

803
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 3: maybe it's not like the best case scenario, but are

804
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: we still going to participate in it? Yes? How can

805
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: we do it a little bit safely? So I do

806
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: think that like the harm reduction lens as a sex

807
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: educator feels kind of relevant here because like, people do

808
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: drink and people do have sex when they drink, and

809
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: it's similar to when we say abstinence only that doesn't work.

810
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: So I think like that framework is important for me.

811
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: And also I do think that the consent piece could

812
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: have been added here with just like two lines, like

813
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: if Sonny's character before she started touching him just said

814
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: like can I touch you? And if you just was

815
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: like uh okay, yeah, like it was just a small

816
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: piece there. Yeah, and then just like one more check

817
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: in maybe before you know, she took out the or

818
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: he took out the condom, or before they use the condom,

819
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: like that could have changed the entire scene. So I

820
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: do think it's like small little errors that were made,

821
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: and I want to celebrate the parts about it. As

822
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: a sex educator. That felt very unique and like better

823
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: than most other sex scenes that I have seen, kind

824
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: of having this lens. One there's the depiction of condoms,

825
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: which is pretty rare true. Two there's the depiction of

826
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, like there was kind of a

827
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: mess up, like she refers to it later as like

828
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: he touched her taint with his penis, but like, you know,

829
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 3: just this messiness of like first time sex. They don't

830
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: even kiss, which is kind of this like showing of

831
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: how awkward that these two people are in their bodies

832
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: and uncomfortable. They show kind of her gasping out of

833
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: like how potentially uncomfortable it is, and the session lasts

834
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: no more than ten seconds, right roughly about that amount

835
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: of time. So I just like there was a lot

836
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: that this sex scene could have improved upon, but also

837
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: got right as someone who like very much is kind

838
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: of laser eyed at sex scenes.

839
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Totally fair. Yeah, it just sucks that like all those

840
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: positives or like authentic, realistic portrayals of it are overshadowed

841
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: for me, at least by this murky consent situation. Like

842
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: you said, it would have worked so much better if

843
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: she asked, can I touch you here? And if his

844
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: giving consent was far more enthusiastic and that you could

845
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: hear it in his voice and it seemed like both

846
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: parties were very willing participants in this situation. It just

847
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: the fact that there isn't that enthusiastic yes all the

848
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: way through and the movie like, the only thing that

849
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: needs to happen for the story to proceed onward in

850
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: the way that it does is for the characters to

851
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: have sex and for him to ejaculate and the condom

852
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: gets stuck inside of her like that's why she tries

853
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: to get the plan b pill. So could we have

854
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: gotten there in a way that the consent was way

855
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: more freely given yes than we should have?

856
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Although I mean, speaking to your point, Danielle, I do

857
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: feel like it is relevant because because you are like

858
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: educating real kids, and I guess I just I wish

859
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: that if this is the way that that sex scene went,

860
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: that the parts, like Kaitlyn, what you're addressing, like came

861
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 2: up at any point, because I think that there is

862
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: some instructiveness in that, because, like you're saying, Danielle, so

863
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: many early sexual experiences because of the lack of sex said,

864
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: are awkward even if you have all the information, but

865
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: if you've been poorly educated, it can like really fuck

866
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: young people up. And you know when you add drinking

867
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: into that, like and if we're seeing one of those situations,

868
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: which Kaitlyn, like you've basically described, like it is a

869
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: very messy situation, enthusiastic consent hasn't been given, then I

870
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: feel like, based on the kind of movie that this is,

871
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: you should address that in some way, you know, like

872
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: either by adding the exchange you're talking about, Danielle, which

873
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: would resolve a lot of the problems, or like, I

874
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: think that there is a lot of value for a

875
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: movie marketed at teens like to show a sex scene

876
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: that is imperfect, because most likely that's I mean, the

877
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: way a lot of initial sexual experiences are and then

878
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: watch the characters have to deal with it and talk

879
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 2: about it and process those emotions. But that doesn't happen.

880
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like the movie is really built to

881
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: be able to do that, and it like completely disregards

882
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 2: the feelings of one of the participants. So it's just like, well,

883
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: a movie that was like less leaning hard on kind

884
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: of appatawi stuff at moments where you know, I cannot

885
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: tell a lie. I did roll my eyes when it

886
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: was the wrong drug. I was like, Okay, you know

887
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: I've seen it, but you know that like leaning into

888
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: stuff like that. To me, if that's the tone, it's

889
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: probably not a movie that's going to be able to

890
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: address a very complicated encounter like that. I don't know.

891
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: But it does handle other things so well. Yeah, So

892
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why it flubbed so badly on this

893
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: very important thing.

894
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: My assumption is that they were trying to show the

895
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 3: realistic portrayal rather than show like a model example of

896
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: like what clear enthusiastic consent would look like. And yeah,

897
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 3: like ultimately it's valid. Yeah, yeah, Like I totally obviously

898
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: agree with you in that, like enthusiastic yes must happen

899
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 3: throughout the experience. If you revoke consent, you don't. You

900
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: no longer have consent all the things that we teach.

901
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: And at the same time, I'm kind of torn just

902
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: to think, like, do teens kind of again I don't

903
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 3: know a single teen, but do teens kind of see

904
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 3: depictions of quote unquote perfect consent and roll their eyes

905
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: at it and say like this is not realistic? Like

906
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 3: what is the balance of saying like, I'm going to

907
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: teach you what the correct way to talk to people

908
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: are and how to get consent and how does it

909
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: look like in the moment for you? And like, what

910
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: what does that look like to have that conversation with

911
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 3: young people?

912
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Yeah, it almost feels to me

913
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: like they wanted to show the awkwardness of a first

914
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: time penetrative sexual encounter. It's a very common thing, not

915
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: just for people having sex for the first time, but

916
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: also like I have awkward sexual encounters regularly and I'm

917
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: almost forty, Like sex is awkward and can be really

918
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: silly and awkward. To be clear, I am giving and

919
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: receiving enthusiastic consent every time, but I'm talking about just

920
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: like oops, you put your dick in the wrong hole,

921
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: or oop, you're half flaccid still, or you know, just

922
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: like all those bodies awkward things, like the bodies are weird,

923
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: and these things happen continuously throughout our lives. So I

924
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: think what they were doing is like trying to show

925
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: and again, especially for two people who have never had

926
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: sex them having sex for the first time, how awkward

927
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: that would be. But I think I think that they

928
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: thought that not giving and receiving enthusiastic consent was like

929
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: part of the awkward experience. But you could have still

930
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: had that enthusiastic consent and it still have been also

931
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: very awkward on top of that. Totally to my point

932
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: of like I still I again give and receive enthusiastic

933
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: consent and still have very awkward sex from time to time.

934
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess I feel like I'm following

935
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: something maybe somewhere in the in the middle here where

936
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, like that is how I have sex. Now.

937
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's how I knew how to

938
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: have sex when I was having these initial encounters, So

939
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I do believe that there is value to it, But like,

940
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: I just think the movie kind of with it. I

941
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: had a more articulate thought in my head just a

942
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: moment ago. But oh, even with like, I think that

943
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: all of the information that you could pull from these

944
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: characters that we already know again, I just feel like

945
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: the fact that Kyle never physically appears again in the

946
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: movie after that is a big problem because I think

947
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: we could, you know, safely assume that Sonny is very sheltered.

948
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: She's clearly gotten info, right, but it seems like she

949
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, both of the main girls in this movie

950
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: are from pretty like conservative value families. They're not openly

951
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: talking about sex. I don't think it's out of the

952
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: line of possibility that they are under educated about consent.

953
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: Especially in the sex said class they're taking with Rachel Dratch.

954
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: Like they're not learning about consuders.

955
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't think Rachel Dratch is teaching them.

956
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: They're showing eighties VHS films totally.

957
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: And then like Kyle is in that same class and

958
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: also is hyper religious, and you know, you're not getting

959
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: great sex said at church. Uh, generally, I've never heard

960
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: of it happening, And so I think that like, within

961
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: these characters, there is a way to understand why this

962
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: initial encounter would not be morally perfect or like a

963
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: textbook perfect sexual encounter. But if that's the choice that's

964
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: being made, and the movie's agenda is to better educate

965
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: its target audience, I feel like it might even be

966
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 2: more instructive to have these characters talk about it, you know.

967
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: And I like that it's not like, oh, you know,

968
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: I think that if this movie came out thirty years ago,

969
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, I had sex with Kyle and

970
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: now I'm in love with him, and like they would

971
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: like it makes sense they don't end up together. I

972
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: don't even know if they like each other, like, but

973
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: that if they would like take each other's emotional response

974
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: to this uncomfortable first encounter seriously, I feel like that

975
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: could actually be really instructive for the target audience. I

976
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: don't know either way. It doesn't happen well.

977
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: He does try to reach out to her several times

978
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: to be like, can we talk about this?

979
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 3: I need to process he's saying, and.

980
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: She's being very very dismissive of that, and then that

981
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: magically resolves when Kyle calls her back. I think it's

982
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: no sun to apologizes to her. He's like, sorry for

983
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: freaking out I feel fine now, and it's just like,

984
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but also like you were really upset

985
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: and guilt stricken about this and you didn't get a

986
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: chance to talk through it with this person.

987
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 2: Like not to defend one of the few sis men

988
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 2: in this movie, but I really felt I really really

989
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: felt for Kyle because it almost felt like putting yourself

990
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: in a teenage situation if you I mean again, it

991
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: feels like Sunny is almost behaving like in a way

992
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: that a boy in a movie would have behaved, yeah,

993
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: like years ago, and it would have been presented as

994
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: pretty shitty behavior, because I think it kind of is

995
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: pretty shitty behavior, no matters it. And if the shoes

996
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: on the other foot and you're Kyle and you're reaching

997
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: out and you're like, I really need to talk about

998
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: like this. I feel really conflicted about it, and we

999
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: don't really get to find out the reasons why. I

1000
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: think it's implied that it's religious. But then I think

1001
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: you assume because it doesn't seem like Kyle has much

1002
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: of a support that he could go to about this.

1003
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: You can't bring this to your church youth group, really,

1004
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 2: and so it just seems like he apologizes to her,

1005
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: not because he's actually processed it, but because he's like

1006
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: embarrassed that he's bothered by it and she's not communicating

1007
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: with him. And so it almost felt like that character

1008
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: like kind of doubles down on shame where he felt

1009
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: this religious shame for losing his virginity before he was

1010
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: quote unquote supposed to, and then feels compounded shame by

1011
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: feeling like, oh, and I'm I was like bothering her

1012
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: by wanting to discuss it afterward. I just felt bad

1013
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: for the kid. He's not real, thankfully, just for Kyle.

1014
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 2: It's a fictional film, but I was like, Kyle was,

1015
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like an under explored character. Also,

1016
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: he was in a Spy Kids movie, but like not

1017
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: the Originals, the one where Joel McHale's the dad.

1018
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, interesting, is he a spy kid?

1019
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: He's one of the spy kids. He's in Spy Kids

1020
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: four D. WHOA the one you can smell.

1021
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: Also, I'm so sorry to interrupt about Spy Kids, but

1022
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: just briefly, if you guys who are listening are interested

1023
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: in hearing about kuhou Verma's takes on that sex scene

1024
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,959
Speaker 3: as an actor, I interviewed her, and a big chunk

1025
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: of the interview of Sex with dB is just like

1026
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: talking about what that is like to have to enact

1027
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: that with a fellow actor, and how to feel safe

1028
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: on set and kind of like what that really looks

1029
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: like to be mimicking that essentially in front of a

1030
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: room full of other people, depending on if it's an

1031
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 3: open or close set, and so yeah, I just I

1032
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 3: just found it fascinating as someone who is a nerd

1033
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 3: about movies and TV shows about like the way in

1034
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: which these things actually happen, and just like what her

1035
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: portrayal was of it and her experience playing that character.

1036
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: Totally.

1037
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that rocks. Yeah, listeners, go check out that episode

1038
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: of sex ad with dB.

1039
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that there's more discussion on I mean,

1040
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: it's been a huge round of discourse recently about consent

1041
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: on set and about intimacy coordinators and a pastor of

1042
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: the changing landscape there because everyone feels the type of

1043
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: way about it, and I think a lot of those

1044
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: takes are kind of like underinformed.

1045
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: The other thing, the other scene that I thought was

1046
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: really flubb a dub dubbed was the playground scene aka

1047
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: the scene where Sonny considers performing oral sex on that

1048
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: guy Andy in exchange for a fake ID.

1049
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: We love to see Moses Strom get work, but at

1050
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: what costs?

1051
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: But at what costs?

1052
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: Now?

1053
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: To be clear, I do not have a problem with

1054
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: people trading sex for goods or money as long as

1055
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: all parties involved are consenting adults.

1056
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: Those the two well, that's the thing, is like, yeah,

1057
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: they're under duress.

1058
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: They're under duress, they're under duress, and one of them

1059
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: is not an adult. In fact, both of them might

1060
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: not be adults.

1061
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: And Moses and Moses Storm is like, all right, he's

1062
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: in his thirties. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he's like a

1063
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: joke of like, oh, I mean it is a funny joke,

1064
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: but in the context of the scene it doesn't work.

1065
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I'm seventeen too, I just have never

1066
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: drank water. A funny joke. That is a funny joke

1067
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: to be visibly thirty, but like it doesn't work.

1068
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: But also we don't know if he's lying. We don't

1069
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: know what's going on. We do know that Sonny as

1070
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: a character is a seventeen year old child. Yes, Kuhu Verma,

1071
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: who plays Sonny, was I think twenty five at least

1072
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: when the movie came out, So the actor was an adult,

1073
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: but the teenage character is in this scenario. There's an

1074
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: element of coercion here. Sonny clearly does not want to

1075
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: do this. She's acting out of desperation. She's visibly uncomfortable.

1076
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: This whole thing is framed comedically for some reason. Obviously

1077
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't go through with it, but she's like in

1078
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: this scene where like her face is mere inches away

1079
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: from a like completely full frontal nudity penis and she's

1080
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: seventeen years old, And Danielle, I'm curious to hear your

1081
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on it, but yeah, that was my take.

1082
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: I was very surprised by the penis. I'll say that

1083
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: I didn't see it coming.

1084
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah on Molana's Internet.

1085
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: Dear lord, I think they could have, you know, created

1086
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: the same comedic effect if he had like a big

1087
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: septum piercing right, Like, it could have been a similar

1088
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: kind of thing where somehow her hair gets caught, you know,

1089
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 3: she tries to steal it and her hair gets caught

1090
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: in the septum piercing without us needing to have, you know,

1091
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: this sexual favors moment included, so I don't necessarily buy that, like,

1092
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: oh well, it had to come back around for the

1093
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: mom to smell the cock ring or the penis ring

1094
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: at the end.

1095
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: Especially after like such a nice moment with the mom.

1096
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the beat, guys.

1097
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great. I think that. I guess it

1098
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: was used as like a way to show again their

1099
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: desperation and in order for them to get the speed

1100
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: in order for Sonny to I don't know, it feels

1101
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: like it was kind of maybe central in the writer's

1102
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 3: eyes to like create this offshoot of what happens and

1103
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 3: the high drinks that ensue. But I didn't love it.

1104
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: It made me uncomfortable and I wish it wasn't really there.

1105
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: And at the same time, I guess I understand, yeah,

1106
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: how desperate they are Sonny is in particular to get

1107
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: this medication, and does kind of show that, like maybe

1108
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: we could use it as a metaphor that young people

1109
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: are basically willing to do whatever it takes in order

1110
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 3: to get the reproductive health care they need. But this

1111
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm stretching myself here.

1112
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: It's so hard, Okay, I also saying it is so

1113
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: hard to straddle genres in the way that this movie

1114
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 2: is trying to straddle genres, because this movie very much

1115
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: does want to be a odyssey of like broad comedy

1116
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 2: and you know, you have all the appetite beats of

1117
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: like you can name any comedy of the past twenty

1118
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: years starring teenagers and someone takes the wrong drug and

1119
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Guy Fieri's there or someone is

1120
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 2: a corn cop or whatever the fuck happens, which again,

1121
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: this is like my taste coming out where I just

1122
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 2: am like, I'm so sick of it, but like I

1123
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: feel like it. This movie's trying to straddle being a

1124
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: broad comedy that will appeal to a broad audience and

1125
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: a very personal, thoughtful story about reproductive health, and often

1126
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: it works. But the moments where it doesn't, it like

1127
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 2: to me, really doesn't, and this is one of them

1128
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 2: for sure.

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: To your point, Danielle, if the writers are trying to

1130
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: communicate like this is the lengths that people have to

1131
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: go to when they don't have access to reproductive health care, like.

1132
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be a funny care. There are a million.

1133
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: Other ways to do that though, to heighten, to have

1134
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: a very like heightened situation that's wild and hijinxy and

1135
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: potentially dangerous even without putting a minor in a situation

1136
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: where she is going to basically be coerced into a

1137
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: sexual act.

1138
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: For laughs that aren't even funny for laughs.

1139
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this is not like not the wokest take,

1140
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: but it's like, if you're going to do something that

1141
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: tone deaf, it better be arguably sunny. But this is

1142
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: just like, it's not, it's.

1143
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: Not, it's not, and it's really icky. And again, there

1144
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: were a million other scenarios that these characters could have

1145
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: been put in that would have communicated the same level

1146
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: of like look at the lengths that people have to

1147
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: go to without this like very compromising, very uncomfortable situation.

1148
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: So didn't work from at all.

1149
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 3: I think the planned Parenthood scene does this, and like

1150
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: it's not a comedic scene, but like I'm sure we'll

1151
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: get to it, so maybe I should pause on that.

1152
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: But I guess just like we see the planned Parenthood

1153
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 3: is permanently closed and we just see her breakdown and

1154
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: weep in the parking lot, like this is many people's

1155
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: reality and when they can't get the reproductive healthcare that

1156
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: they need and that they deserve, and that they want

1157
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 3: so badly, And I thought that was a very moving,

1158
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: realistic part of the film.

1159
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: And that's like where the movie is at its most

1160
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: earnest and thoughtful, and for that to come on the

1161
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: heels of I think I honestly, the late second act

1162
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: hijinks just were like not hitting for me very much.

1163
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 3: The party, I completely agree, it.

1164
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: Just wasn't a different movie where and it was and

1165
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: not that this isn't true to reproductive health, but it

1166
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: was out of context where it was like they sort

1167
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: of have a series of male obstacles to overcome, but

1168
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: they're not people who are trying to prevent them from

1169
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: getting care, just guys doing something silly in the way,

1170
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 2: in the same way that I felt like the Edie

1171
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: Patterson character, and I'm I am Edie Patterson's number one fan,

1172
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: but the gas station character felt like, just when you

1173
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: think that that character is going to be like a

1174
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: genuine ally to them, she just says something completely ridiculous

1175
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: and it chooses broad comedy over a moment that would

1176
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: advance the plot in a way that makes more sense,

1177
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: not like because it seems like, you know, we're led

1178
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: to believe that that character defends defends the girls when

1179
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: they're being sexually harassed in the gas station and parking lot,

1180
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: but then she throws that away by being like, oh no,

1181
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: I was coming out here to hit you with a

1182
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: bat because you stole a friendship bracelet. So it just

1183
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: goes with like the dumbest joke on the table instead

1184
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: of building a character. I don't know, you jut up

1185
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: a towel movies.

1186
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: I guess this is my I mean, luckily this is

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01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: not one.

1188
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: Uh but like energy wise, you know what idea, it's

1189
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: like we're too high the person said something a little

1190
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: silly instead of something that is advances the plot.

1191
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do want to shout out the writer director

1192
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: team here. So this movie was written by Protheki Schosren

1193
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: of Austin and Joshua Levy and directed by Natalie Morales.

1194
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: So it's like a predominantly women behind the camera and

1195
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: these major creative roles women of color at that. So

1196
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: that's encouraging. However, some of these scenes didn't quite work.

1197
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: Also, a shout out for behind the camera also a

1198
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 2: woman a cinematographer and composer, which I feel like we

1199
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,479
Speaker 2: don't see very often, So shout out.

1200
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: To true hell. Yeah, I don't want to talk about

1201
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: the things that I thought worked really well.

1202
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we've been we've been harping on the things

1203
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: that don't work for a while.

1204
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: They are glaring, is the thing, and they feel very

1205
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 1: out of place in this otherwise thoughtful, funny movie. Yeah,

1206
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: because I think that is most of the movie. Like

1207
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: most of it is done well. It's complicated and sensitive

1208
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: topics are generally handled with care, except for those couple

1209
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: scenes we already talked about. But like I mean, obviously

1210
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,440
Speaker 1: there's commentary in this movie on the state of reproductive

1211
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: health care and education in the US and how abysmal

1212
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: it is because you see like the ridiculous sex Said curriculum,

1213
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: which promotes abstinence until marriage and perpetuates double standards of

1214
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, women who have sex are damaged, tainted sluts.

1215
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: The fake like car sex Said video is very funny

1216
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: to me.

1217
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like great satire spot on. Yeah, there's

1218
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: commentary on just the overall limited access to reproductive healthcare

1219
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: in the US. This includes people with uteruses have to

1220
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: travel hours and hours away just to get access because

1221
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: it's not available in their area or it's highly restricted.

1222
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: Allah pharmacists invoking conscience clauses and refusing medication to people

1223
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: if it conflicts with their personal beliefs, and that is

1224
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: almost always rooted in like very shamy, like slut shamy

1225
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: type of mentalities.

1226
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like anti choice rhetoric. Yeah. Yeah, so

1227
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: that someone at CVS can change the course of your

1228
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: fucking life.

1229
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah right. The Planned Parenthood being shut down probably because

1230
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: it was defunded or you know, something happened along those

1231
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: lines that this place that is otherwise a beacon of

1232
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, reproductive health care is inaccessible now to people

1233
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 1: who need it. So that commentary that's present throughout the

1234
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: movie is very effective. The focus on female friendship is

1235
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: really nice. There's queer representation, there's nice like mother daughter

1236
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: and father daughter relationships, reppers and in the like romantic subplot.

1237
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: Like I thought most of that stuff was handled very well.

1238
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: I liked that their friendship, Like the way that the

1239
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: two main characters are written is I think, really really thoughtful.

1240
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: Where they're flawed in all of the ways that seventeen

1241
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: year olds are flawed. They are, I mean I think

1242
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: about sometimes, yeah, like the really close friendships you have

1243
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: when you're young, and how both you feel like you

1244
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: can share anything with this person, and also their opinion

1245
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: matters so much that it can lead to like withholding

1246
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: parts of yourself because if your best friend judges you,

1247
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: who do you have? And I like that you know

1248
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 2: they are these sort of like oasis is of safety

1249
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 2: for each other, and they love their parents, but their

1250
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: they can't talk to their parents about shit, and that

1251
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: even in this like close trusted friendship, there are these

1252
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: worries of like if you know every part of me,

1253
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: will that change our friendship permanently? Like again, like between

1254
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: the two main characters, like it's so layered and I'm

1255
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: still so funny, and I love moments where they're like

1256
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: singing to the Jesus Trap song. It's so funny, it's

1257
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 2: so sweet and.

1258
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 3: Like yes, very original, it was great.

1259
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 2: Like and it feels like a real lived in friendship.

1260
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: And I think also with Sunny's character, I mean, also

1261
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: it's amazing that it's two women of color who are

1262
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: leading this, which so rarely happens in any genre. But

1263
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 2: I feel like with Sunny's character, she is I think

1264
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: you could argue like the main main character and I don't.

1265
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 2: I think that usually that role would be reversed. I

1266
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: think that, like Sonny, if you wrote down her qualities

1267
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 2: of like she is less sexually experienced, I feel like

1268
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: she's has more of like how people normally write sidekicks,

1269
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: and it centers her, and it centers her story and

1270
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: her needs, and it doesn't shame her for inexperience, and

1271
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: it like really fully explores that. And I appreciate that

1272
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,919
Speaker 2: because I think that, yeah, like it's a quote unquote

1273
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: sidekick cod character who is given the full space to grow,

1274
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: and that that doesn't take away from Lupe's story either.

1275
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: True.

1276
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna ask if we could talk

1277
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: about the way that Lupe's queer identity is kind of

1278
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: like portrayed and how this, like you know, is shown

1279
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 3: throughout the film, just because I feel like it was

1280
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: just so I don't know, it felt really heartwarming to me,

1281
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: and like, you know, you could tell how nervous she

1282
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 3: was to kind of tell Sonny and the fact that

1283
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: you know, half of the movie we don't know that

1284
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 3: she's queer along with Sonny, we're kind of kept in

1285
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: the dark as the audience.

1286
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: And I just.

1287
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 3: Thought her relationship with Logan was like her budding romance

1288
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 3: was like very sweet and tender, and it felt realistic

1289
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 3: that like, these two people probably met on like snapchat

1290
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 3: on Instagram or something and they hadn't met in real

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 3: life because they're like an hour and a half away

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: from each other two hours and like they can't drive

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 3: to see each other or whatever it is. So there

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01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 3: are just a lot of great parts to it that

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed.

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01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: I really liked that like it divert. One of the

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: like diversions from this like again is like appatoo formula

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: that I feel like this movie pulls from in moments

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: is that before they get to the party. And also

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: I felt like it weirdly undercut Logan's character that the

1301
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: car was taken all that stuff, where it's like, I

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01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: don't think I would be necessarily trusting Logan quite as quickly. Again,

1303
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: but that's a separate thing. But I really liked that

1304
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: the movie took a moment and I think in what

1305
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: a normal teen comedy would be like hyjenks hyjenks hyjenks

1306
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: that both of their crushes end up being sweet and

1307
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: decent people who like and accept them, and you just

1308
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: get like a really grounded character moment and it's still

1309
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: funny and I just wish the whole movie did that,

1310
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 2: because I really like the scene between Sunny and Hunter

1311
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: and the diners very sweet and especially I mean like

1312
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: Lupa and Logan, I'm like, I love them. I hope

1313
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 2: that they snapchat each other for as long as snapchat exists,

1314
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: because it just like it was such a sweet encounter

1315
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 2: and like it was one of those cool I don't know,

1316
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: I like portrayals of moments like that.

1317
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 3: She's teaching her to play the drums too, just giving

1318
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 3: kind of little little crush moments.

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: It's really really sweet and it doesn't like in the

1320
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: way so many teen movies do. It's not like they're

1321
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: gonna get married. This is forever. It's like this was

1322
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 2: a really formative, safe, wonderful experience that like moves Lupey

1323
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 2: forward and wanting to claim her identity and like it's

1324
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: really and I think that like there that with Lupe.

1325
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: I mean, she lives in South Dakota, she's the daughter

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01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: of a pastor. I think that her anxiety is around that,

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01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 2: even if she does fully accept herself, is realistic for

1328
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: the time and place that this movie takes place in,

1329
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: and it's like really nice to see Sonny, you know,

1330
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: doesn't even have to think about it, Like she's like,

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01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: you're being ridiculous because on paper, sure, but also it's

1332
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: like when you think about who Lupia is, what her

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: experience is, and like how important Sonny is to like

1334
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 2: her supports that it would feel like a risk for

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 2: her and it's just really sweet to see her be

1336
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: accepted and just like have a beautiful moment with Logan.

1337
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 2: I wish that the whole party scene after that just

1338
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 2: didn't happen.

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01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't like that, don't like the whole van thing.

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 2: Xander. I was like, who what is that?

1341
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 3: He was in? What was that Netflix show? He was

1342
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 3: in a Netflix show that I saw playing like an

1343
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 3: a whole team. I can't remember which one of them.

1344
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 2: Was this this type cast actor?

1345
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 3: Yes, what reasons why? That's what show he was in?

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01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 2: Oh god, I can't believe that show came out in

1347
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: the last ten years. So what a what a moment?

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1349
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 3: Not great.

1350
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: Another thing I really like about the queer romance is

1351
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: that it gets as much screen time and narrative weight

1352
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: as the hetero romantic subplot between Sonny and Hunter, which

1353
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: is pretty rare to see considering that if there is

1354
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,759
Speaker 1: a queer subplot in a movie, well, first of all,

1355
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: they're often non existent, or if there are queer characters,

1356
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: there's only kind of like an implied romance between them,

1357
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: or if it is a more fully realized subplot, it'll

1358
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 1: take up less space in the story than a hetero subplot,

1359
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: or if they do kind of get together, there won't

1360
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: be any physical contact between them. But we see Loupe

1361
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: and Logan kiss before the straight people kiss each other,

1362
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, WHOA, that's also very rare to see.

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01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: They're going at it in the real estate fan exactly.

1364
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like hetero romances are often portrayed in

1365
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,759
Speaker 1: ways that leaves a lot to be desired in movies.

1366
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: But I really like the romantic subplot between Sonny and

1367
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: Hunter in the sense that Hunter is a really sweet guy.

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: Because so many hetero romances the movie is asking the

1369
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: audience to root for a very toxic man, a very

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: toxic dynamic, and in this case, like as we said,

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: it's like, are there young teen boys like this that

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01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: exists in the world. I don't definitely do. I'm not

1373
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: saying they don't, guys. I'm sorry. I think Hunter's a

1374
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: corny character and I like him, yeah, he like we

1375
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: see him challenge those sexist double standards. In the sex

1376
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: Said Class, he has this really nice interaction with Sonny

1377
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: where she tells him like, I'm a slut. I did

1378
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: this horrible thing. I had sex with someone I don't

1379
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: even like, and now I have to get the morning

1380
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: after pill. And she's being very like judging and shaming

1381
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: of herself and he's like, no, no, no, like, you

1382
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: don't have to feel like that. He's not judging her

1383
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: at all or shaming her. Like it was a really

1384
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: refreshing thing to see. I think he's really sweet.

1385
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then he responds by saying like, I mean

1386
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 2: he doesn't say this exactly, but I kind of like that.

1387
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: She's like I'm a slut, I'm awful and all this stuff,

1388
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: anticipating judgment from him, and then he's like, well, no,

1389
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: you're a nerd like me, Like, oh, it's true.

1390
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 3: Also the way that he kind of talks about the

1391
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: shitty sex ed abstinence film that they see in sex

1392
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 3: Ed Class, he actually is the one that sticks up

1393
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: for girls and women and says like, well, what about

1394
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 3: his car? Why aren't we seeing his car? Because they're

1395
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,879
Speaker 3: using this metaphor that the wife in the film's car

1396
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 3: is broken and busted aka she has had sex before

1397
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 3: marriage and therefore no one will want her, which, by

1398
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 3: the way, are metaphors that many states still use, and

1399
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 3: they're really horrific sex head classes with miss and disinformation

1400
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 3: and shaming tactics. And I really like that he's the

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01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 3: one that is questioning this because it feels like he

1402
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: is truly showing up as an ally in that moment

1403
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 3: for them.

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01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: It was nice. Does anyone have any other thoughts about

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01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: the movie?

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01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: I just, I guess wanted to acknowledge the parents one

1407
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: more time that I you know, again, it's like the

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01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: parents don't appear very much. But I did like just

1409
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: sort of the portrayal, especially between Sonny and her mom.

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 2: I think that, like Lupa and her dad, for me,

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01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 2: is like a little bit rushed at the end, where

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: I feel like the guy we met at the beginning

1413
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't keep asking her where she was, Like was it

1414
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 2: his whole thing that he was overbearing and not negligent?

1415
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 2: Like whatever, it resolves, and I like that it's sort

1416
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 2: of left as like a this Lupa is not going

1417
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: to be comfortable coming out to her father overnight. But

1418
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: they have this moment of connection and love and it's good.

1419
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: But I really really liked Sonny's relationship with her mom,

1420
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 2: and like, you know, not everyone is lucky enough to

1421
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: have that experience, but I've had times like that with

1422
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 2: my mom where it's like you, it's not even a

1423
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: question to Sonny, I can I talk to my mom

1424
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: about this? She's like, no, I can't. I will be judged,

1425
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 2: I will be shamed. That's just her assumption based on

1426
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 2: her mom's behaviors. Seems like a valid assumption. But then

1427
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: having like those moments when you're a teenager of like

1428
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 2: your parent having to sort of recognize your humanity in

1429
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: order to show up for you. I really appreciated that

1430
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: her mom was able to do that for her, and

1431
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 2: that she demolished the guy at CVS and like made

1432
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: sure that I don't know, I just I thought that

1433
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 2: that was like a very sweet dynamic and that whole moment,

1434
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: like at the when Sonny's at her lowess of like

1435
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: I want my mom, Like who hasn't felt that way?

1436
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: It's very very sweet.

1437
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciated that as well. I also appreciate that

1438
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: there is more racial diversity and body diversity in this

1439
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: cast than you'd expect from a teen movie or any

1440
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: movie in general. And something I also wanted to note

1441
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,879
Speaker 1: is that you do see a few examples of characters

1442
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: making racist comments to Sonny and or Loupe, which those

1443
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 1: characters challenge and mock. So it's just like nice to

1444
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: see the evolution of the presence of racism in teen

1445
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: comedies because in the you know, eighties, nineties, and early

1446
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: two thousands and even like after that, the racism in

1447
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: the movie was characters who we were supposed to be

1448
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: rooting for being openly racist and hateful. This seems to

1449
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: have mostly shifted to racism in a movie being framed

1450
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: as wrong and bad, and the main characters who we

1451
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: are rooting for are challenging it. So it's just nice

1452
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: to see that shift because we've covered so many teen

1453
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: movies of decades past where there were racist comments being

1454
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 1: made and we were supposed to laugh along with them.

1455
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: So it's just nice to see that shift.

1456
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 3: Totally. This is a tangential thing, but I wonder if

1457
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 3: I could have one minute to kind of assess some

1458
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: of like the science factual parts of Emergency contraception and

1459
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: Plan B in this film, yeah, because I think that

1460
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: that might might be helpful for people listening, because yeah,

1461
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 3: there are just a few things that aren't really talked

1462
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: about at all, and obviously they don't have the time

1463
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 3: or the wherewithal, but we're here now, so I'd love

1464
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 3: to share some things, please. So in terms of the

1465
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 3: most effective emergency contraception option that there is, Plan B

1466
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 3: is actually the third most effective emergency contraceptive option. The

1467
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: first is the copper IUD, which must be inputted by

1468
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: a medical provider. Quite unrealistic for people to get an

1469
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 3: appointment asap after an accident happens, but the copper IUD

1470
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 3: does reduce the risk of pregnancy by ninety nine point

1471
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 3: nine percent, and you know it also has the added

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01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 3: bonus of preventing pregnancy for up to twelve years if

1473
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: you are interested in IUD. The second most effective option

1474
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 3: is an EC pill called Ella, and Ella has to

1475
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 3: be prescribed by a medical provider taken within five days

1476
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: of unprotect did sex, and it also works best for

1477
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 3: people who weigh up to one hundred and ninety five pounds.

1478
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all know, but there are kind

1479
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: of weight suggestions for Plan B and for Plan B,

1480
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 3: which is the most accessible emergency contraception pill, you can

1481
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: get it, you know, on Amazon Prime, you can get

1482
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 3: it at CVS your local store, and if you take

1483
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: it as directed within seventy two hours after you've had it,

1484
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 3: it can reduce your risk of pregnancy by up to

1485
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 3: eighty nine percent, And if you take it within twenty

1486
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 3: four hours, it works even better. So Sonny kind of

1487
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 3: talks about this like ticking against the clock. She kind

1488
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 3: of has this number of like sixty one percent. I

1489
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: don't know where she got that.

1490
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,520
Speaker 1: It feels it's not correct.

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01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. All I know is the

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01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 3: seventy two hour mark. So yeah, so that's important to share.

1493
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: And Plan B works best for people with uteruses that

1494
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 3: weigh up to one hundred and sixty five pounds. If

1495
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: you weigh more than this, you still should take Plan

1496
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 3: B if it's your only accessible option, but it makes

1497
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: it less effective. So I just think this is like

1498
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: super fucked up that according to the CDC, the average

1499
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: American person with the uterus age twenty and over is

1500
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: actually one hundred and seventy point eight pounds. So for

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01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 3: the average person with the uterus, Plan B actually is

1502
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: not as effective as it should be. So those are

1503
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 3: kind of the main things I wanted to share, kind of.

1504
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: Just to thank you for sharing that. Yeah.

1505
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: Yes, hopefully they make some adjustments to make it more

1506
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: body inclusive.

1507
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 2: Inclusively people with userses like that's absurd.

1508
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you for sharing that information. I

1509
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: would like to talk a little bit more about my

1510
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: upcoming hysterectomy, So I do want to acknowledge that both

1511
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: as someone who has already gotten my tubes tied and

1512
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: who is getting a hysterectomy, and while both of these

1513
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: procedures were a challenge for me to get because of

1514
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: bias in American health care health care in general, where

1515
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: people with uteruses are seen as baby making machines and

1516
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: it's their duty to bear children, and doctors will routinely

1517
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: deny you access to these procedures. They will convince you

1518
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: that you'll change your mind about wanting to have children,

1519
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. This is particularly true for

1520
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: white people because there is a long history in the

1521
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: US and elsewhere around the world of particularly black and

1522
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: indigenous people with uteruses who have been forcibly sterilized without

1523
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: their consent for eugenics purposes. So even though you know,

1524
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: it was difficult for me to get these procedures to

1525
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: exercise autonomy over my body and my reproductive health, it

1526
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: is still a privilege that I was able to do

1527
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: that because a lot of people don't have and have

1528
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: not had that privilege, and they have been forcibly sterilized

1529
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: when they might have wanted to have children. So you know,

1530
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: the powers that be exercising control over reproduction has a

1531
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: lot to do with racism and eugenics. So I just

1532
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: wanted to acknowledge that, acknowledge my privilege in this situation.

1533
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: And it's like, let people make their own decisions about

1534
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: their own bodies, duh.

1535
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 3: But period point blank.

1536
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And like the same goes for just I mean,

1537
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 2: women of color are being disbelieved in medical situations constantly

1538
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 2: because you know, society conditions people to view them as

1539
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: less human than white patients, which is just like, I

1540
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: don't know, I think you hear a million stories to

1541
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: that effect.

1542
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And then the final thing I wanted to talk

1543
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: about is the etymology of the word hysterectomy buckle in everybody. So,

1544
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: as we've said, a hysterectomy is the removal of the uterus,

1545
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 1: so ectomy signifying the surgical removal of a specified part

1546
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: of the body. But we're like, okay, hister, what's that.

1547
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: What's that coming from? Well, it comes from the Greek

1548
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: word hysteria, meaning womb, and the Latin word hystericus, meaning

1549
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: of the womb. From these words evolved the concept slash

1550
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: quote unquote medical condition of hysteria, which referred to any

1551
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 1: number of health conditions that were diagnosed almost exclusively in

1552
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: women and were believed to be caused by the uterus. Hence,

1553
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: this term hysteria rooted in these Latin and Greek terms.

1554
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: So I'm pulling from an article in useless etymology dot

1555
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: com which points out that a nineteenth century American physician

1556
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: named George Miller Beard compiled a seventy five page list

1557
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: of possible symptoms of histil area, a list which he

1558
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: claimed to be incomplete. Still, so seventy five pages wasn't enough.

1559
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: There was more, according to him, But it included things

1560
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: like heartburn, vertigo, headaches, choking, depression, poor attention span, jealousy,

1561
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: who knows jealousy, anxiety, death, just name a few. You know,

1562
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: we like when I hear the word hysteria, I associate

1563
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: it with like not able to regulate your emotions, like

1564
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: having emotional outbursts, like all this sexist.

1565
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, like giving someone a reason to dismiss you. Yeah, yeah,

1566
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 2: yeah because yeah yeah right.

1567
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 1: So apparently, sometimes hysterectomies were performed to quote unquote cure

1568
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 1: quote unquote hysteria, since doctors believed that the uterus was

1569
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: the cause of these problems. Also, in ancient like Western medicine,

1570
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: there was this condition wandering womb, in which the uterus

1571
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 1: would band name right, in which the uterus would just

1572
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: move around inside your body of its own accord. It

1573
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: would just wander around in there, and that that was

1574
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: thought to cause a lot of health issues and have

1575
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 1: all these symptoms. This is, of course not a real condition,

1576
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: but this is what old timey physicians used to think

1577
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: was happening. Obviously, all of this speaks to a century's

1578
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: long fear and distrust and dismissiveness towards people with uteruses

1579
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: and their bodies and emotions. And I just think it's.

1580
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 2: Wild that So it was like exclusion from the medical

1581
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 2: field too.

1582
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, because I was like, why the fuck

1583
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: is it called a hysterectomy. That's why. I don't know

1584
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 1: how prominent this movement is, but it seems as though

1585
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: there is a movement to rename the procedure to U directomy,

1586
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: which sounds more accurate, at least more accurate. So yay,

1587
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 1: I just had a you direct to me, everybody. But yeah,

1588
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say about it.

1589
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean yeah, truly, I know that I,

1590
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 2: up until somewhat recently, was not well educated enough about

1591
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 2: what a hysterectomy or you direct me as I will

1592
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: call it beforeward, actually is and entails. This isn't a

1593
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: criticism of the movie, because no movie is qualified to

1594
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,679
Speaker 2: take on everything, but I just wanted to acknowledge as well,

1595
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 2: particularly because we're recording this two days after the second

1596
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: Trump inauguration, that reproductive access for trans patients is also

1597
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 2: something that is deeply under discussed, especially during a time

1598
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 2: where trans healthcare is going to be increasingly under attack,

1599
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: that this movie. I mean again, it's not a criticism

1600
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 2: of this movie in particular, but because reproductive health health

1601
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 2: has only really become harder to access since this movie

1602
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 2: came out less than four years ago, it's just important to, yeah,

1603
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: acknowledge that this is an issue that affects fucking everybody

1604
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: and that it's not just you know, fem presenting people

1605
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 2: who need access to healthcare and need to be.

1606
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: Believed and trusted totally. I mean bringing it back to hysterectomies,

1607
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: many non binary and trans mask people seek getting a

1608
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: hysterectomy as a part of their gender reforming care, and

1609
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: that's an uphill battle for many, if not most of them.

1610
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, uh, definitely worth acknowledging. Yeah, does anyone have

1611
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: anything else they'd like to say?

1612
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 2: I liked the Jesus Trap song.

1613
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 3: We should catch the lyrics of that, Yeah, maybe make

1614
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 3: a choreographed dance. Yeah, Yes, I guess the final yeah

1615
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 3: thing that I want to drive home is that, like,

1616
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 3: while there are many things that this movie could have

1617
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 3: improved upon, could have you know, a few scenes that

1618
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 3: maybe were unnecessary or some extra dialogue that was needed,

1619
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 3: I do think that it is a step in the

1620
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 3: right direction of portraying accurately what some of these issues

1621
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 3: that folks who are teenagers, specifically you know, women of color,

1622
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 3: girls of color are experiencing in these states, especially where

1623
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 3: their rights are just consistently being taken away, and all

1624
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 3: the more reason that we should bring attention to these

1625
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 3: issues and also hopefully laugh a bit and feel like,

1626
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 3: you know, sweet sweetness while we're learning about them.

1627
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was nothing like this. No movie is like

1628
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 1: this when I was a teenager that I could have got.

1629
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there was that scary thing from

1630
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six you described.

1631
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: To us, Oh yeah, Maternal Instincts where a deranged woman

1632
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: tries to kill her.

1633
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 2: Doctor after having the hysterical surgery. I totally agree with you, Danielle,

1634
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: where it's like, we know, picked on this movie for

1635
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 2: certain things, but this is this is the kind of

1636
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 2: movie that again just doesn't exist and is important because

1637
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: it leads to other movies like it ideally, and you know,

1638
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about so many movies like that

1639
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 2: on this podcast that even though it hasn't been very

1640
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 2: long since this movie came out, I hope, especially as

1641
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 2: reproductive healthcare continues to be a very pressing issue, that

1642
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 2: it will like inspire other filmmakers to make their version

1643
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: of this movie and sort of continue to grow. And

1644
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 2: also the fact that I really wish that more movies

1645
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 2: like this because both movies. I think it is relevant

1646
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 2: to say that both movies that came out around this time,

1647
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 2: Unpregnant and Plan B were both streamer movies. I would

1648
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,919
Speaker 2: like to see movies like this actually get a proper

1649
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,799
Speaker 2: release and marketing campaign. But I think that these stories

1650
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: are viewed in Hollywood circles as risky and like, Okay,

1651
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: we want to do you know, we vote blue no

1652
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: matter who, so we want to have this movie, but

1653
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 2: like we can't actually promote it, you know, because this

1654
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: is a movie that but I think like a lot

1655
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 2: of people would really benefit from seeing. But I don't know,

1656
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 2: I don't recall seeing very much promotion of it. Like

1657
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 2: I think if this wasn't an interest I had and

1658
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: an issue that matters a lot to me, I don't

1659
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 2: know that this movie would have just come to me

1660
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,600
Speaker 2: in the way that Sonic three does. You know, not

1661
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 2: that any teen movie gets Sonic three promotion, but you

1662
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, I think a proper theatrical

1663
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 2: release and marketing campaign obviously makes a huge difference, and

1664
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, getting the movie to its intended audience and

1665
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,799
Speaker 2: also beyond to get you know, people who wouldn't normally

1666
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 2: be thinking about reproductive health care because they don't perceive

1667
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 2: it as affecting them.

1668
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 3: So like that Book Smart, I feel like BookSmart kind

1669
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 3: of exists in this kind of tangential world where, yeah,

1670
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 3: this is kind of like an elevated Book Smart when

1671
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 3: it comes to like reproductive health issues and queer issues

1672
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 3: and like all of these things.

1673
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Oh, the movie does pass the Bechdel

1674
01:34:54,640 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: test very handily, regularly between several different combinations of care,

1675
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: which is predominantly Sonny and Loupe, but.

1676
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: Also Lope and Logans, Sonny and our mom Doris.

1677
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 3: Don't forget about door Doris.

1678
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,879
Speaker 2: There's plenty of women chatting about this, and that.

1679
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: Tell me about it. As far as our nipple scale,

1680
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: where we rate the movie on a scale of zero

1681
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: to five nipples, examining the movie through an intersectional feminist lens,

1682
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this between like a three and a

1683
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 1: three and a half. I wish I could give it more,

1684
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,200
Speaker 1: but it's just those two scenes that really bothered me,

1685
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: that feel so misguided and could have been rewritten in

1686
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: such a way so easily that they wouldn't have been

1687
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: so problematic and uncomfortable. It seems very discongruent with a

1688
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of the rest of the movie. That they're there

1689
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: and that they're written the way that they are because

1690
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: they deal with things like consent and sexual coercion. And

1691
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll give it three half nipples, docking it for those scenes.

1692
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 1: But by and large, this movie does handle other things

1693
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: very very well, and I do think it's a great

1694
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Is a very like, Yeah,

1695
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: more movies like this, please, minus those couple scenes that

1696
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: were mishandled. But yeah, I'll go three and a half nipples,

1697
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: and I'll give I'll split my nipples between the writer,

1698
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: the director, the two main leads, and I'll give so

1699
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: like three to all them. And then I'll give my

1700
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: half nipple to the nineteen ninety six TV movie Maternal Instincts.

1701
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the rev remake it.

1702
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I'll rewrite it and it'll be about me, a deranged

1703
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: person who got a hysterectomy and is upset about it.

1704
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna go three and a half as well.

1705
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 2: I think speaking to your point, Danielle, that like it is,

1706
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 2: this is a very important movie to exist. And the

1707
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 2: two things I want to say because I know that

1708
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 2: like there were times where I was coming down pretty

1709
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: hard on this movie. This movie is tasked with a

1710
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 2: lot that most movies haven't even attempted. So the fact

1711
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: that that both happened happened with a director with a

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01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: uterus that this is a very important issue to happen

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 2: with leads to women of color, like all of these

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01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: things that rarely happen in movies are happening here and

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01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: are released on a major streamer. That is like no

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01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: small feat. So well, there are my gripes with the movie,

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01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 2: or my gripes with the movie, but there are so

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01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 2: few movies like this that it is kind of a

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01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: miracle that it exists in the way that it does.

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Speaker 2: And I also wanted to just say, even though I

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01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: wasn't able to find a lot of information about the

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01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 2: production specifically, but I would not be shocked if some

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01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 2: maybe not the initial sex scene, but the Moses storm scene.

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01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 2: It feels very studio notes to me, where it's just like,

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01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 2: make something silly happen. And again it's like that's this

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01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 2: is a Hulu movie. It is very much not outside

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01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 2: the realm of possibility that a couple like dipshit executives

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01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 2: are like, I haven't what if there was a Pepe

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01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 2: that was Peers like some shitty like I don't want

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01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 2: to assume that this was all like this was always

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01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 2: the most important thing to happen. That might explain some

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01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 2: of the tonal dissonance. Maybe that's inherent to the project.

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01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it is a movie that's important

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01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 2: to exist, and the gripes that I have with it

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01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 2: are gripes that I don't have with other movies because

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01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: movies like this don't exist. So I hope it will

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01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: continue to lead to more movies that don't contain these issues,

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01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 2: that have wider releases. But I think Natalie Morales and

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01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Pratheisterna Vasin have really done something amazing. And Joshua Olivia,

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01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. I don't know. It's like

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01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 2: when people are like Noah Bombac wrote Barbie and like,

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01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 2: but like, did he did he? I really don't think

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01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: that he did. Like maybe he was nearby, like I

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01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: know they share a home, but like wrote the movie. Anyways,

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01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that's that's a conspiracy theory. At

1746
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Line was like I think that she was just she

1747
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 2: owed him a favor or something. Anyways, I'm going to

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01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 2: give it three and a half nipples, and I'm going

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01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 2: to yes, give one to Napalie Morales, one to protheys

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01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: rina vasin split one between kuhoo Verma and Victoria Morales,

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01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to give my half nipple two

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01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 2: Sonny's Mom because I uh the character but also the actor.

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01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 2: Why not? But like the character because I was really

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01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 2: pleasantly surprised by and I really liked that ending beat

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01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: between the two of them. I think that that was

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01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 2: like a really thoughtful, cool beat. So yes, the character

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01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Sunny's Mom gets my last half nipple.

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01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 1: Lovely, Danielle, how about you?

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01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Before my rating really quick, Jamie, you mentioned that

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01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 3: there aren't really many other movies like this, but I

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01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 3: want to shout out the movie fitting In. I don't

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 3: know if you I have heard of this movie, but

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01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 3: it stars Mattie Ziegler and it focuses on a teen

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01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 3: who's diagnosed with mrk H syndrome, which is a condition

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01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 3: where a person is born without a uterus. And it

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01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 3: is directed by Molly McGlynn, who I also had on

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01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 3: SEXI with dB recently to talk about this film and

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01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 3: Molly McGlynn. This is based on her own experiences, and

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01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 3: so just a really fantastic film, very well acted. Highly

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01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 3: recommend it if you're looking for more films to cover

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01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 3: about reproductive health care and conditions. But that is neither

1772
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:34,879
Speaker 3: here nor there. I'm going to give this film four nipples.

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01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 3: I think overall, I have ye hopefully planted my flag

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01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 3: about how important I think that it is that we're

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01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 3: showing realistic depictions of sex scenes. And yes, of course

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01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 3: we want enthusiastic consent no matter what, hands down period.

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01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 3: And I really like the way in which yeah, female

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01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 3: friendship is portrayed here, the kind of desire to get

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01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:05,680
Speaker 3: reproductive healthcare needs met, and the kind of silliness that

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01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 3: happens along the way. I love the way that queerness

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01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 3: is depicted in this film. And yeah, just overall, I

1782
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 3: really enjoyed this movie. I loved watching it a second

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01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 3: time around. I'm gonna give all of my nipples to

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01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,560
Speaker 3: Kuhuverma and Victoria Morales. I think I just love these actors.

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01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 3: I love the way that they portrayed their friendship, and

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01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 3: that's where all my nipples are going.

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Speaker 1: Yay, oh my gosh, thank you, and thank you for

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01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: joining us once again. And lending all of your expertise.

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01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. This has been great.

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01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:40,639
Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? Check out your work et cetera,

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Speaker 1: plug away.

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1797
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Speaker 3: us on TikTok at sex Ed with dB. And thank

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Speaker 3: you so much again Caitlyn and Jamie for having me.

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Speaker 3: This has been such a bless.

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Speaker 1: a fun little road trip, shall we?

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Speaker 2: And move some real estate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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