Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague wes
Speaker 1: hodku Wits. We're coming to you here from our studios
Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. The spring right of passage
Speaker 1: in the NFL, known as O t a S is
Speaker 1: coming up, and just to give fans uh the lay
Speaker 1: of the land here a little bit. Starting next week,
Speaker 1: the Packers will have three weeks of O t a S,
Speaker 1: which stands for organized Team Activities. Essentially, it's nonpadded practices.
Speaker 1: They can do eleven on eleven work, but shorts and
Speaker 1: helmets only, not full gear. And um so I want
Speaker 1: to use the next two episodes, this one and then
Speaker 1: our first episode next week to previ you O t
Speaker 1: a S a little bit, just to give kind of
Speaker 1: the landscape, the sense of what you and I are
Speaker 1: going to be watching for, what what the media will
Speaker 1: be looking for at these practices. Will have access to
Speaker 1: one practice per week over the next three weeks in
Speaker 1: terms of getting to watch practice and then also interview
Speaker 1: players in the locker room afterwards. So with this show,
Speaker 1: we'll focus on the offensive side of the ball to
Speaker 1: preview O t A S And I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but I think the one thing that jumps out at
Speaker 1: me that I'm gonna look for right away at this
Speaker 1: first O t A practice that we get access to
Speaker 1: next week is where somethings sit on the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Because you added Billy Turner in the off season as
Speaker 1: a free agent, Cole Madison is back from taking what
Speaker 1: would have been his rookie year off from the NFL,
Speaker 1: and then you added Elton Jenkins, the second round draft
Speaker 1: pick at number forty four. Overall, I'm a little curious
Speaker 1: just to see in terms of the depth chart what
Speaker 1: positions these guys are lining up at. These new additions
Speaker 1: on the offensive line are interesting. Yeah, Really, the only
Speaker 1: one that I'm kind of curious about is Billy Turner,
Speaker 1: just because you know, they left it open ended in
Speaker 1: terms of where he's gonna play in potentially where he
Speaker 1: could fit on the offensive line. I think we saw
Speaker 1: him a lot of guard during that voluntary mini camp.
Speaker 1: Right guards specifically, that's a spot that is open right now.
Speaker 1: He could conceivably fit in there. From from the rest
Speaker 1: of that, it's all gonna depend on the health of
Speaker 1: the starting offensive linemen, and you know, you can't really
Speaker 1: read much into really where Elton Jenkins is going to
Speaker 1: be yet we know how this works with the off
Speaker 1: season program. The story I always go back to is
Speaker 1: that people made way too big of a deal out
Speaker 1: of Alex Green being ahead of Eddie Lacey and two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen during mini camp back then, and then two
Speaker 1: you know, two months later, you know, Eddie Lacey is
Speaker 1: right at the top of the depth chart when training
Speaker 1: camp begins. So those are the things they're going to
Speaker 1: give the veterans are going to give. The guys who
Speaker 1: have status, they'll get the top end of those reps.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's gonna be really valuable
Speaker 1: for guys like uh, you know, got a guy like
Speaker 1: Cole Madison. He has been through the process before last year.
Speaker 1: He looked good throughout the offseason program, looked like he
Speaker 1: was going to be able to contend for a starting
Speaker 1: spot then obviously didn't report. But having him here getting
Speaker 1: back acclimated with a new offense, I think is gonna
Speaker 1: be really important for him. And then also, you know
Speaker 1: those guys lower down the depth chart, they are very
Speaker 1: deep on the offensive line. Lucas Patrick is a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to have to defend his roster spot, justin McCrae,
Speaker 1: Jason Spriggs, a lot of depth, a lot of versatility,
Speaker 1: and a lot of experience there, Michael, with guys that
Speaker 1: are trying to show you know that they belong. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think, uh, it's pretty clear at least, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. I'll be really surprised if
Speaker 1: Billy Turner is not the number one right guard as
Speaker 1: as we start o t S. I think that's what
Speaker 1: the Packers signed him for. That's what um the value
Speaker 1: of that contract would certainly indicate they signed him to
Speaker 1: be a starter from the get go. With Jenkins and Madison,
Speaker 1: I'm curious because the Packers are for the most part,
Speaker 1: as far as we know at this point, looking at
Speaker 1: them as interior offensive lineman, and we know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about Ken one of these guys
Speaker 1: push Lane Taylor at left guard. Now. I talked to
Speaker 1: Taylor right after the season ended, the last open locker
Speaker 1: room we had after the final game against the Lions,
Speaker 1: and had an interesting conversation with him because he he
Speaker 1: said coming off of last year he had an offseason
Speaker 1: ankle surgery. It pretty much kept him out of all
Speaker 1: of the off season program. He was ready to play
Speaker 1: Week one. He got out there, he played the bulk
Speaker 1: of the season, but he actually admitted he's like, I
Speaker 1: really didn't feel right. The ankle didn't feel right until
Speaker 1: you know about the eighth or ninth game of the
Speaker 1: regular season. And I mean, we saw Taylor didn't have
Speaker 1: the season that that he had had in the past.
Speaker 1: He and he was clearly dealing with something there. But
Speaker 1: now this is whereas a veteran, he feels like he's
Speaker 1: coming back healthy, but they're gonna be some young guys
Speaker 1: that will potentially push him here. So I think that's
Speaker 1: something to watch as we and again, as you alluded to,
Speaker 1: you take a little bit of this stuff in O
Speaker 1: t S with a grain assault, especially with offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They don't have the pads on, the hits aren't real
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But you get a
Speaker 1: sense of of kind of how things are going to
Speaker 1: set up for training camp. Maybe it's the best way
Speaker 1: to put it absolutely and what what exactly these guys
Speaker 1: are gonna be working with in terms of who's available
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I'll be honest with you, Michael, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about it. At least during
Speaker 1: my time on the beat, which is about six years
Speaker 1: shorter than yours, I think that this is the deepest
Speaker 1: they've been on the offensive line in terms of the
Speaker 1: competition standpoint. When you talk about Lane Taylor, some of
Speaker 1: these different spots where guys are gonna get pushed. Billy Turner,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's going to be the slotted top
Speaker 1: guy there. He's gonna get pushed because they think about this. Michael,
Speaker 1: you have Alex Light that was on the roster all
Speaker 1: throughout last season. Adam Panky has been on the roster before. Uh.
Speaker 1: You obviously have Justin McCrae and Lucas Patrick and the
Speaker 1: number of guys that can play different positions. And that's
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. And when you're talking about
Speaker 1: guys like Patrick and McCrae, you're talking about guys who
Speaker 1: have played in NFL games. They've taken the real lie
Speaker 1: have snaps that some of these other guys haven't. The
Speaker 1: story I always love to tell is the first year
Speaker 1: I covered this team in two thousand twelve, Jeff Saturday,
Speaker 1: about two years past his prime, was already starting at center.
Speaker 1: It wasn't much of a competition after that, you knew
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Evan Dietrich Smith and then Don
Speaker 1: Barkley squeezed out the number seven spot. Packers went into
Speaker 1: the season with seven offensive linemen. This group, the way
Speaker 1: they're structured right now, you know, if if health is
Speaker 1: not an issue here, if guys stay healthy throughout training camp,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be nine ten guys contesting for roster spots
Speaker 1: that might be in contention to really deserve them in
Speaker 1: some tough calls that they're you know, general manager Brian
Speaker 1: Dudikins is gonna have to make. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, that's that's the plight that these scouts
Speaker 1: want to have. Yeah, just one interesting little fact I'll
Speaker 1: throw out before we go on to another position. Um
Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins drafted number forty four overall. You know who
Speaker 1: the last offensive lineman was the Packers drafted at number
Speaker 1: forty four overall, Darren College Chad. Yeah, so just kind
Speaker 1: of one of those coincidental things, don't I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I always thought Clifton was a higher second. I knew
Speaker 1: he was a second on draft was number forty. Well,
Speaker 1: if this one turns out as well as Clifton did
Speaker 1: have another Hall of Famer on their hands. Well, I
Speaker 1: think another position we're certainly going to be watching closely
Speaker 1: as O. T. A. S begin is the wide receiver spot.
Speaker 1: And just to give fans a sense of what you
Speaker 1: and I do when we go to practice and the
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven stuff is what we watch the most.
Speaker 1: And again it's not full pads and these the eleven
Speaker 1: on eleven in full pads and training camp is much
Speaker 1: more indicative of where things are headed. But as soon
Speaker 1: as they started eleven on eleven period, you and I
Speaker 1: are there, We've got our notebooks, we're jotting down who's
Speaker 1: taking the first reps because for the most part, those
Speaker 1: are the guys who at that moment are at the
Speaker 1: top of the depth chart at those positions. So when
Speaker 1: it comes to wide receiver, I think you and I
Speaker 1: are both going to be looking very closely. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: look at the offensive line first and you look at
Speaker 1: the wide receivers so we don't miss anything. But if
Speaker 1: Geronimo Allison is indeed with the starting group as the
Speaker 1: number two offensive number two wide receiver, excuse me, and
Speaker 1: then the first time they have a three wide receiver set.
Speaker 1: Who's the third guy? Is it Marquez Valdes Scaling, is
Speaker 1: it eq St Brown, is it Jake Kumarro or somebody else.
Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that you and I
Speaker 1: will watch for when the starters, when Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: out there taking snaps and eleven on eleven, who are
Speaker 1: the guys that are with them? Absolutely, And it's a
Speaker 1: great point you raised there, because, as I was saying,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the offensive line, there's not a
Speaker 1: lot you can draw from because you know who's going
Speaker 1: to be out there. You know they're going to give
Speaker 1: veteran status to certain guys will get the reps, you know,
Speaker 1: and I would I would imagine unless something surprises me,
Speaker 1: that you're gonna see Lucas Patrick and Justin mccraie take
Speaker 1: reps before Jenkins, just based on that hierarchy. But at receiver,
Speaker 1: you have three receivers who are all the same age
Speaker 1: or all the same year. You have Jake Kumero having
Speaker 1: the experience that he has. It will be very interesting
Speaker 1: to see what the first move is with these receivers
Speaker 1: and also what they're asking them to do. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many a routes we're gonna see. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many team periods we're gonna see, but you
Speaker 1: are going to get a feel for what the design
Speaker 1: is going to look like for this offense. My personal
Speaker 1: feeling is Geronimo Alison is that number two guy right now,
Speaker 1: much like the number three last year when he went
Speaker 1: to training camp. I think he has a solid grasp
Speaker 1: on that and is gonna have to defend that in
Speaker 1: training camp. But those three young receivers Michael, based on
Speaker 1: every practice now and going into the summer, I can
Speaker 1: fluctuate and those guys are gonna be asked to do
Speaker 1: different things. And then also the guy I keep challenging
Speaker 1: people not to forget about is Trevor Davis. Trevor Davis
Speaker 1: is still in the thick of this thing as well.
Speaker 1: He gives them the versatility on returns and he had
Speaker 1: his moments as a receiver, most of those came in
Speaker 1: his rookie year, but they're still there. So it is
Speaker 1: going to be a very compelling case to see exactly
Speaker 1: who from this this this room of opportunity kind of
Speaker 1: rises to the top of that. Yeah, it's a good
Speaker 1: way to put a room of opportunity. Absolutely um quickly
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Speaker 1: perimeter players on offense. I know we had talked on
Speaker 1: a previous show. Just our curiosity is to maybe how
Speaker 1: things are going to shake out at running back. I
Speaker 1: really don't think we're going to get any kind of
Speaker 1: a feel for that necessarily beyond Aaron Jones as the
Speaker 1: number one until we get to the preseason games. You
Speaker 1: know that we're we're talking August and well into August
Speaker 1: before we know how this shakes out. But the thing
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching with regards to the running backs
Speaker 1: is the past catching ability. Um A, how smooth, how
Speaker 1: smoothly do they do it? And be how often in
Speaker 1: this offense are they asked to how much are they
Speaker 1: going to be repping those kinds of things, because I
Speaker 1: think that's something we might see a little bit more of.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just the checkdowns, you know
Speaker 1: when the guy is an open downfield. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the design plays and not even necessarily screen passes, but
Speaker 1: designed passing plays for the running backs that I think
Speaker 1: could be part of this Matt Lafleur offense. And how
Speaker 1: these running backs Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, Dexter Williams, Capri Bibs,
Speaker 1: these guys, how smoothly they can look in those reps
Speaker 1: when it's not full contact. That's gonna translate into maybe
Speaker 1: where they are on the depth chart comes summertime. It's
Speaker 1: a new offense, new coach, new scheme. But I felt
Speaker 1: one of the things that Mike McCarthy did well during
Speaker 1: his time in Green Bays how that position evolved and
Speaker 1: how the running back and the receivers so to speak,
Speaker 1: in the backfield sort of became more of a prominent
Speaker 1: part of the offense. When the Packers had their most
Speaker 1: success right around two thousand and fourteen, they were getting
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacy and James Stark's involved in the screen game.
Speaker 1: But then as time wore on, you had time Hontgomer,
Speaker 1: you had Randall Cob, You even had Vante Adams at
Speaker 1: some points lining up in the backfield with design Place
Speaker 1: being able to motion those guys out. See if you
Speaker 1: can pick up a few hints from what the defense
Speaker 1: is asking. I think that's gonna be a big thing
Speaker 1: in this offense with Matt Lafleur. What they're gonna ask
Speaker 1: those guys to do. It isn't just going to be
Speaker 1: the checkdown Charlie approach. It's going to be them going
Speaker 1: out into space, finding holes and getting open. That is
Speaker 1: the key to this thing. I think of the NFL
Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, we can talk for so many
Speaker 1: for so long Mike about you know, you know this
Speaker 1: offense is doing this and Sean mcveigh's doing that. If
Speaker 1: you look at the teams that made deep runs in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, this year. I don't know how much playoff
Speaker 1: football you watched. I think I watched every game. I
Speaker 1: could they a lot of those, especially the Patriots, the
Speaker 1: things that they do. The design it really, I think
Speaker 1: is incumbent on offenses now to maximize those running backs,
Speaker 1: maximize the James Whites of the world. Guys that because
Speaker 1: so often when you think about scrambled plays with quarterbacks right, well,
Speaker 1: sometimes and the quarterbacks gets free, it's because he's the
Speaker 1: guy that isn't really accounted for in the passing game,
Speaker 1: running backs have sort of become the same player. So
Speaker 1: seeing how Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, uh, you know, even
Speaker 1: Danny Vitality the fullback, these guys can handle that role.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be paramount for not only
Speaker 1: getting the roster spot, you know, Dexter Williams and Capri Bibs,
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to prove themselves in that capacity, but
Speaker 1: who ultimately is going to be the one getting the
Speaker 1: bulk of those snaps, the bolt of bulk of those
Speaker 1: touches in the opener against the Bears. Yeah, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about getting the ball to running backs in the
Speaker 1: passing game, a it's presumably higher percentage passes because they
Speaker 1: aren't downfield. They aren't they aren't highly challenged throws, and
Speaker 1: then be if the running back makes one guy miss
Speaker 1: suddenly four or five yard game can pick up a
Speaker 1: first down and off you go offensively. And I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be something that this h this Matt
Speaker 1: Lafleur offense very well could be built on. And I
Speaker 1: remember talking to Aaron Jones at the end of the
Speaker 1: regular season last year, and one of the first things
Speaker 1: he's one of the first things he said is his
Speaker 1: whole focus in the off season, aside from his health
Speaker 1: and getting his body to where he can withstand a
Speaker 1: full sixteen game and and hopefully more schedule, was about
Speaker 1: improving his route running and his pass catching out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. I think he was already sensing that that's
Speaker 1: the next step from a skill standpoint for him to
Speaker 1: become the complete, well rounded running back that you know,
Speaker 1: becomes that guy that you don't necessarily want to take
Speaker 1: off the field very often. Absolutely. And and and the other
Speaker 1: thing too, is that if the Packers are going to
Speaker 1: try to stretch the field a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 1: Davante Adams with that little quip about you know the
Speaker 1: yards per catch, you're going to go up. What happens
Speaker 1: when you start attacking the second and third levels of
Speaker 1: a defense, it starts to open up things underneath, and
Speaker 1: that's where the tight ends. That's where you have you know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams. They have to be effective
Speaker 1: in that capacity, being able to become complete players because
Speaker 1: when you look at the guy, and this isn't just
Speaker 1: for the Packers, this isn't just for the teams. When
Speaker 1: you look at the running backs now that are making
Speaker 1: money in this league's it's it isn't the guy that
Speaker 1: has eighteen hundred yards r sing anymore. It's the guy
Speaker 1: that has a thousand yards rushing in seven hundred yards receiving.
Speaker 1: It's a total yardage game now, Michael, or maybe even
Speaker 1: eight eight hundred split splitting. It isn't he isn't getting
Speaker 1: carries two carries a year and rushing yards. It's the
Speaker 1: total package. And that's what I think makes these guys valuable.
Speaker 1: It's what also is going into summer. Guards is going
Speaker 1: to extend careers because the more you can do as
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, look at Darren Sprawls, the longer you're
Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah, no question about it. Another position I
Speaker 1: want to touch on quickly before we go today West,
Speaker 1: and again I say this, uh in a very very
Speaker 1: preliminary sense, but we know that this coming summer, the
Speaker 1: training camp in preseason is gonna shape up as a
Speaker 1: potentially very legitimate battle for the number two quarterback spot
Speaker 1: between Deshaun Kaiser and Tim Boyle. With where the Packers
Speaker 1: are now and uh and Manny Wilkins has been added
Speaker 1: to that mix as a fourth quarterback at this point.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see here when we first get
Speaker 1: a look at these guys in eleven on eleven for
Speaker 1: the first time, you know, which of these backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you know, looks the smoothest, looks like mentally they're picking
Speaker 1: up everything with the offense. We know the mental acuity
Speaker 1: and the experience that Aaron Rodgers has and everything is
Speaker 1: going to carry him a long way in this transition
Speaker 1: to a new offense. But these younger guys sometimes you
Speaker 1: just don't know until you see it. And I'll be
Speaker 1: really curious just how it how it shakes out, how
Speaker 1: it starts for these guys when they get into some
Speaker 1: of these eleven on eleven reps. Right. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing too that I'm that I'm most excited to
Speaker 1: see is Tim Boyle. Uh and certainly seen Kaiser a
Speaker 1: lot of ability there. He's still only twenty three years old,
Speaker 1: and he's got he's got the playing game experience. I
Speaker 1: mean that whole season Cleveland. He got a couple of
Speaker 1: games last year. I know they didn't go as well
Speaker 1: obviously as he would have liked, but he's got the
Speaker 1: most playing experience by far of the backup quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this group. The reason why I'm really intrigued by Boyle though,
Speaker 1: is because last year this time I wrote the story
Speaker 1: when he came in for rookie right. I remember, this
Speaker 1: was a I that had a nightmare college career in
Speaker 1: terms of a guy when you look at committing somewhere.
Speaker 1: He did all the right things. He was a Connecticut
Speaker 1: State Player of the Year. He went to Yukon, he
Speaker 1: wanted to rep his state, and things did not go
Speaker 1: there three different coordinators in three different years. He obviously
Speaker 1: moved on finished his career down at the FCS level,
Speaker 1: but all along, Michael, if you see Tim Boyle walk
Speaker 1: into a locker room, that's an NFL quarterback, his body,
Speaker 1: he looks his arm, and we saw it from the
Speaker 1: get go last summer. Now he's still I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to put him in the Hall of Fame yet, but
Speaker 1: I just think when you look at the raw and tangibles,
Speaker 1: you just wipe out all the production in college. You
Speaker 1: just look at a guy that projects like a developmental quarterback.
Speaker 1: Boyle checks all those boxes. Seeing the strides he made.
Speaker 1: He spent his off season here in Green Bay. He
Speaker 1: obviously was able to be on the fifty three. He's
Speaker 1: not getting all those reps during the season, but he
Speaker 1: is getting a chance to learn from Rogers. Seeing where
Speaker 1: he's at in year two now, where he's not just
Speaker 1: the intriguing, somewhat confusing college prospect, now he's a second
Speaker 1: year player, and where he's developed from there against Kaiser now,
Speaker 1: I think is going to be one of the more
Speaker 1: compelling cases to watch. Yeah, I agree with you. Can
Speaker 1: you look at you look at his resume as a
Speaker 1: college player and you would not think that two years
Speaker 1: in he'd be a legitimate candidate to be backing up
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to the Green Bay Packers, But he very
Speaker 1: much is. And as you said, it's it's all the
Speaker 1: physical tools. And if there was a guy who needed
Speaker 1: a clean slate coming out of college and get to
Speaker 1: start over, it was Tim Boyle at the toughest position
Speaker 1: that there is on the football field, and thus far
Speaker 1: he's taken advantage of it because he's made the right
Speaker 1: first impression. Now we're going to see has he made
Speaker 1: the strides he needs to make in year two. The
Speaker 1: only thing that my heart kind of goes out to
Speaker 1: boil over is the fact that can this guy just
Speaker 1: get the same offensive coordinator and think in a year
Speaker 1: to year basis, I mean the fifth year now, I
Speaker 1: don't even know how many different hope this will be
Speaker 1: his fourth or fifth different head coach. And you can
Speaker 1: say the same thing about Kaiser as well. Look at
Speaker 1: what he's gone through from what was going on at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to too Now you know, then Cleveland and
Speaker 1: Green Bay and and all the change. Another court, another
Speaker 1: young quarterback with a lot of talent, who's been dealing
Speaker 1: with nothing but change in transition for the last four
Speaker 1: or five years. And I would be remissis not to
Speaker 1: throw out there with Manny Wilkins. The thing I like
Speaker 1: about Wilkins is Okay, you have Kaiser, elite, blue trip prospect.
Speaker 1: You know in high school and college boil NFL prototypical,
Speaker 1: you know, pocket passer, strong arm. You want to have
Speaker 1: a curveball in there. Manny Wilkins is that curveball. He
Speaker 1: succeeded at a su playing the game a little differently.
Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued to see how he responds now to
Speaker 1: this speed, to this level, and also what he could do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the ultimate plan is going to be.
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur says he does have some reservations about carrying
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks deep into training camp and everything like that,
Speaker 1: just based on him wanting to get reps to the
Speaker 1: other guys. But if Wilkins gets a chance to be
Speaker 1: around here and be on this team, I would be
Speaker 1: really intrigued to see him playing the training camp in
Speaker 1: preseason and what he can offer as a quarterback. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: with that, we will get to our defensive preview of O. T. A.
Speaker 1: S In our next show, but for now we'll call
Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers on Scripted.
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