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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague wes

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Speaker 1: hodku Wits. We're coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. The spring right of passage

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, known as O t a S is

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Speaker 1: coming up, and just to give fans uh the lay

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Speaker 1: the Packers will have three weeks of O t a S,

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Speaker 1: which stands for organized Team Activities. Essentially, it's nonpadded practices.

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Speaker 1: They can do eleven on eleven work, but shorts and

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Speaker 1: helmets only, not full gear. And um so I want

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Speaker 1: to use the next two episodes, this one and then

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Speaker 1: our first episode next week to previ you O t

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Speaker 1: the landscape, the sense of what you and I are

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Speaker 1: going to be watching for, what what the media will

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Speaker 1: be looking for at these practices. Will have access to

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Speaker 1: one practice per week over the next three weeks in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting to watch practice and then also interview

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Speaker 1: players in the locker room afterwards. So with this show,

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Speaker 1: we'll focus on the offensive side of the ball to

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Speaker 1: preview O t A S And I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I think the one thing that jumps out at

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Speaker 1: me that I'm gonna look for right away at this

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Speaker 1: first O t A practice that we get access to

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Speaker 1: next week is where somethings sit on the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Because you added Billy Turner in the off season as

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Speaker 1: a free agent, Cole Madison is back from taking what

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Speaker 1: and then you added Elton Jenkins, the second round draft

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Speaker 1: pick at number forty four. Overall, I'm a little curious

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Speaker 1: just to see in terms of the depth chart what

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Speaker 1: positions these guys are lining up at. These new additions

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Speaker 1: on the offensive line are interesting. Yeah, Really, the only

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Speaker 1: one that I'm kind of curious about is Billy Turner,

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Speaker 1: just because you know, they left it open ended in

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Speaker 1: terms of where he's gonna play in potentially where he

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Speaker 1: him a lot of guard during that voluntary mini camp.

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Speaker 1: Right guards specifically, that's a spot that is open right now.

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Speaker 1: He could conceivably fit in there. From from the rest

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Speaker 1: of that, it's all gonna depend on the health of

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Speaker 1: the starting offensive linemen, and you know, you can't really

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Speaker 1: read much into really where Elton Jenkins is going to

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Speaker 1: be yet we know how this works with the off

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Speaker 1: season program. The story I always go back to is

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Speaker 1: that people made way too big of a deal out

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Speaker 1: you know, two months later, you know, Eddie Lacey is

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Speaker 1: right at the top of the depth chart when training

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Speaker 1: camp begins. So those are the things they're going to

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Speaker 1: give the veterans are going to give. The guys who

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think it's gonna be really valuable

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Speaker 1: He looked good throughout the offseason program, looked like he

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Speaker 1: deep on the offensive line. Lucas Patrick is a guy

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Speaker 1: that's going to have to defend his roster spot, justin McCrae,

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Speaker 1: Jason Spriggs, a lot of depth, a lot of versatility,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of experience there, Michael, with guys that

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Speaker 1: are trying to show you know that they belong. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because the Packers are for the most part,

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk about Ken one of these guys

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Speaker 1: He and he was clearly dealing with something there. But

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Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about it. At least during

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Speaker 1: You obviously have Justin McCrae and Lucas Patrick and the

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Speaker 1: number of guys that can play different positions. And that's

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Speaker 1: what it comes down to. And when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: guys like Patrick and McCrae, you're talking about guys who

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Speaker 1: have snaps that some of these other guys haven't. The

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Speaker 1: story I always love to tell is the first year

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Speaker 1: the season with seven offensive linemen. This group, the way

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be nine ten guys contesting for roster spots

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Speaker 1: some tough calls that they're you know, general manager Brian

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Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins drafted number forty four overall. You know who

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Speaker 1: the last offensive lineman was the Packers drafted at number

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Speaker 1: forty four overall, Darren College Chad. Yeah, so just kind

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Speaker 1: of one of those coincidental things, don't I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I always thought Clifton was a higher second. I knew

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Speaker 1: if this one turns out as well as Clifton did

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Speaker 1: have another Hall of Famer on their hands. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think another position we're certainly going to be watching closely

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Speaker 1: as O. T. A. S begin is the wide receiver spot.

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Speaker 1: And just to give fans a sense of what you

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Speaker 1: and I do when we go to practice and the

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Speaker 1: eleven on eleven stuff is what we watch the most.

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Speaker 1: And again it's not full pads and these the eleven

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Speaker 1: more indicative of where things are headed. But as soon

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Speaker 1: look at the offensive line first and you look at

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers so we don't miss anything. But if

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Speaker 1: Geronimo Allison is indeed with the starting group as the

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Speaker 1: then the first time they have a three wide receiver set.

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Speaker 1: Who's the third guy? Is it Marquez Valdes Scaling, is

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Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that you and I

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Speaker 1: great point you raised there, because, as I was saying,

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Speaker 1: the experience that he has. It will be very interesting

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Speaker 1: know how many team periods we're gonna see, but you

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Speaker 1: feeling is Geronimo Alison is that number two guy right now,

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Speaker 1: training camp. But those three young receivers Michael, based on

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Speaker 1: He gives them the versatility on returns and he had

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Speaker 1: his moments as a receiver, most of those came in

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Speaker 1: his rookie year, but they're still there. So it is

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Speaker 1: going to be a very compelling case to see exactly

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Speaker 1: Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: tuning in, everybody, We'll see you next time.