Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast is Sorry you didn't get
Speaker 1: that quarterback you wanted.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL, a very
Speaker 2: special edition of Around the NFL, the post draft edition of.
Speaker 1: Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: Seven rounds in the books and now we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about it. Dan Hands is here, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler.
Speaker 2: It really does feel finally, finally mark the end of
Speaker 2: the yellow brick road. As we we're gonna have a
Speaker 2: great episode today. We're gonna dig in on winners and losers.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go check in on our sandwich props. We're
Speaker 2: just gonna really kind of put this draft to bed
Speaker 2: and then we are on some level set free until
Speaker 2: training camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because I think day three of the
Speaker 3: draft is it's a it's a long haul. But I
Speaker 3: was thinking today as we were creeping from the six
Speaker 3: round into the seventh, that back in the days in
Speaker 3: old Culver, in the old newsroom, when the four of
Speaker 3: us would be, you know, together in the in our
Speaker 3: cube farm, waiting for it to end, that the minute
Speaker 3: the show would end, you know, West would lead the
Speaker 3: way out of the out of the newsroom to a
Speaker 3: local tavern somewhere in Culver City, downtown Culver and.
Speaker 1: We would typical it would be Rocos Iracos.
Speaker 3: It was often and like we would sell or the cozy,
Speaker 3: but we would celebrate what you're just mentioning that this
Speaker 3: is a pivot point, a turning point in what is
Speaker 3: an off season that barely exists until now.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Dan, you know, we got we got
Speaker 4: around the AFC and NFC coming up this week, we
Speaker 4: got projected starter series is coming back.
Speaker 1: You know exactly what I mean. And I love it.
Speaker 4: I do love the feeling and I could feel it
Speaker 4: on day two once like you start seeing these rosters,
Speaker 4: because after day two it's it's guys, you're not expecting
Speaker 4: to play much kind of get filled in and you
Speaker 4: have enough of your answers and it's like, okay, now
Speaker 4: now we've kind of got the talking points, we've got
Speaker 4: the teams that we're gonna be talking and I'm ready
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 2: And yeah, of course the show will continue throughout the
Speaker 2: rest of the spring and into the summer, and we're
Speaker 2: going to have a lot of fun. But in terms
Speaker 2: of like what's coming up, what lies ahead, the draft
Speaker 2: was kind of the end of the beginning of the end.
Speaker 2: That sounds right, and now we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And we kind of have a tradition on this Saturday show.
Speaker 2: We do it winners and losers style. So why don't
Speaker 2: we get it going? And Greg, why don't you get
Speaker 2: us started?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to start with the Washington Commanders, who
Speaker 4: I don't know if we gave full, like throated enthusiasm
Speaker 4: because we knew Jaden Daniels was going to be the
Speaker 4: pick there at two and it is a really exciting
Speaker 4: time for their franchise to totally restart with a quarterback
Speaker 4: that that's that exciting. And then you look at what
Speaker 4: they did on Day two of the draft, and you
Speaker 4: had so many picks, and you know, I was going
Speaker 4: to make the first winner the team that finally stopped
Speaker 4: the slide of my boy Johnny Newton, who, yeah, maybe
Speaker 4: he felt because of that foots are, but I think
Speaker 4: they got a great, great value. He's going to be
Speaker 4: ready apparently for the offseason. At thirty six, they get
Speaker 4: another player who I think can play right away in
Speaker 4: the slot, cornerback from Michigan, Mike Sanders. Still, and again
Speaker 4: it's a reminder they loaded up on draft picks. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna pretend I have like a ton of hot
Speaker 4: takes for their other third and fourth round picks. They
Speaker 4: get a blocking tight end in the second round, but
Speaker 4: a bunch of Day two picks, and you remember, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: they gave up Chase Young, they gave up Montes Sweat.
Speaker 4: Their owner Josh Harris, kind of stepped in with the
Speaker 4: idea of like this this season with Ron Vera is unimportant.
Speaker 4: Everything is about the future. They have a ton of
Speaker 4: Day one and two picks. Jayden Daniels is going to
Speaker 4: be exciting. I love these second round picks and it's
Speaker 4: just like a lot of young guys.
Speaker 1: It's a nice start.
Speaker 4: And I think the idea that they had of trading
Speaker 4: Sweat and Young it made sense for that team ultimately,
Speaker 4: and they're going to bear the fruits of it after
Speaker 4: this draft.
Speaker 1: I love that you went here first. I'm totally with you.
Speaker 3: And you know, Mike Sandras still the nickelback like they
Speaker 3: Nick Saban called him, pound for pound, the best football
Speaker 3: player in the entire draft. I mean, and that's not
Speaker 3: someone that's going to heap false praise on someone they
Speaker 3: got Newton. It definitely comes down to how Jayden Daniels
Speaker 3: winds up. But I thought it was a big victory
Speaker 3: for Adam Peters the GM two because you know, this
Speaker 3: is a team that's been in chaos and in the
Speaker 3: abyss for a long time. And he did a number
Speaker 3: of interviews he was willing to go on with like
Speaker 3: with Bill Belichicken friends on ESPN, and you know others
Speaker 3: beyond that, and I thought he he laid out to plan. Well,
Speaker 3: you get a sense because I think when you're a fan,
Speaker 3: we're in a savvier time where like you want to
Speaker 3: know that your GM is not a head case, and
Speaker 3: like he came across as someone with a clear direction
Speaker 3: and that's something this team has been missing for a
Speaker 3: long time. They feel like a completely different team. I
Speaker 3: think when you come out of the off season process,
Speaker 3: whether it's free agency and the draft, and you feel like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, this is a completely different experience. That's
Speaker 3: a victory at least emotionally for now.
Speaker 1: Took a third.
Speaker 4: Round guard, by the way, but the offensive line still
Speaker 4: needs some work. So it's a shaky offensive line in
Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury's euroc That's the only concerns.
Speaker 1: But other wise it's exciting. Those are pretty big concerns.
Speaker 2: I think it's good that you added that part of it,
Speaker 2: but I agree with it. You said, in fact, the
Speaker 2: Commanders what are going to be my first choice as well?
Speaker 2: And I was going to then mention Adam Peters because
Speaker 2: he does also benefit from you know, we all get
Speaker 2: sometimes lucky or unlucky in life with timing. He is
Speaker 2: absolutely a benefactor of some fortuitous timing. And when he
Speaker 2: gets to the Washington football team post Dan Snyder, post
Speaker 2: that messy transition rivera year, and now they can really
Speaker 2: start this thing up, and it does feel like such
Speaker 2: a fresh start for the organization. Daniels, the way it
Speaker 2: all worked out, you know, they feel very excited about him.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a little sloppy that week leading up to
Speaker 2: the draft, but it already feels like an ancient story
Speaker 2: now about the way they handled the visits near the end.
Speaker 2: Now he's their quarterback, Newton is a highly regarded guy.
Speaker 2: As a second round pick. They are a team that
Speaker 2: they're gonna be worth watching.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: There's been a few teams in the league that have
Speaker 2: been very hard to watch for many years in a row,
Speaker 2: and this draft you come out of it and the
Speaker 2: Commanders are one of those teams where like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be fun. Now, well, there's a reason when
Speaker 2: we do our draft on Thursday for games each Sunday,
Speaker 2: why you're not gonna avoid the Commanders. And credit to
Speaker 2: Peters and the organization and Josh Harris, who I don't
Speaker 2: think is gonna walk into any restaurant and take someone
Speaker 2: else's hat off and tell them what for. I mean,
Speaker 2: that guy seems to have his act together as well.
Speaker 2: So good job by the Commanders, good job fans. This
Speaker 2: could be an exciting era for the team about to commence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the other team that you'd mentioned,
Speaker 3: Dan and you talk about like Snoozefest for years in
Speaker 3: a row, that you just so much simply avoid unless
Speaker 3: they were playing like a sexy operation. On the other side,
Speaker 3: the Bears. I mean, they've been a they've been a
Speaker 3: problematic watch for so long, and like I think I
Speaker 3: was thinking about, like when you go to Pro Football
Speaker 3: Reference and you look at like a draft from four
Speaker 3: or five years ago, and it's like either the name
Speaker 3: is highlighted and bold because they're still active, or it's
Speaker 3: not because they're not playing football anymore. And I really
Speaker 3: don't care what happened. They didn't have a lot of
Speaker 3: picks in this draft. But if if you get to
Speaker 3: a point a couple years from now that Caleb Williams
Speaker 3: and Romadunze are still operating for Chicago and doing what
Speaker 3: you hope they're doing, this is a completely different team
Speaker 3: and they have tranled just as much as Washington, but
Speaker 3: over the course of two offseasons are completely transformed. And
Speaker 3: I think Caleb Williams is a big winner because there
Speaker 3: were these floating questions about the millennial nature of him
Speaker 3: and all this stuff that I think is garbage that
Speaker 3: he put to bed. I think with his own personality,
Speaker 3: he did a great job. Right when he was drafted.
Speaker 3: He seems so proud to be a quarterback for the
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears' that's been a long time coming. And you
Speaker 3: found the wide receiver at number nine that was like,
Speaker 3: this is ideal, And so I think the combination of them,
Speaker 3: but the rest of the roster.
Speaker 1: Addie Refluss was a largely anonymous coach.
Speaker 3: To two offseasons ago, you're starting to realize, like this
Speaker 3: GM and coach together, the whole Chicago Bears situation looks
Speaker 3: so much more promising that I put them right there
Speaker 3: with Washington as a team that you feel completely different
Speaker 3: about it. It's like, I'll be annoyed if Greg is
Speaker 3: drafting the Bears, you know, early on in Week one
Speaker 3: or week two next year, because I want to watch
Speaker 3: them now and I've not felt that way about the
Speaker 3: former Mitch Trubisky led Bears in a billion years.
Speaker 1: So that's new territory for me.
Speaker 4: It's like, fine, if you're got to put them in
Speaker 4: primetime five or six times like they seem to do
Speaker 4: with the Bears every year. Now we get Caleb Williams
Speaker 4: and Rome of Dunese, I'm with you. I also liked
Speaker 4: that they have this third round tackle that, like a
Speaker 4: lot of times players say there, I was a fan
Speaker 4: with the team growing up, you know, I was always
Speaker 4: a fan. It's like now in the age of Twitter,
Speaker 4: you can go and see it. His name is Kieran
Speaker 4: I'm a god Jay, a tackle from Yale, and they
Speaker 4: found his tweets just railing the play calling from like
Speaker 4: four years ago, saying I love watching both our tackles
Speaker 4: get beat at the same time as like Nick Foles
Speaker 4: got rocked. Our leading rusher is a linebacker, for eleven yards.
Speaker 4: Make the pain stop?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 4: How come no one can call plays on this team?
Speaker 4: I just love like seeing like a now a player
Speaker 4: on the team can can see if he wants.
Speaker 1: To complain about the play calling, but I like their
Speaker 1: play caller.
Speaker 2: So Winners Commanders, Mark yours was the Bears right?
Speaker 1: And that?
Speaker 2: And you guys are killing me because that you've now
Speaker 2: hit the both the ones I was going to talk about.
Speaker 1: The Bears was almost too obvious, but you got to
Speaker 1: lead with those two. I think the Bears the Bears like,
Speaker 1: how could you do better than they did? So what
Speaker 1: are you saying that? You're saying that? Mark? And it
Speaker 1: brought it up and no, it was my too.
Speaker 4: I just mean, like you get anyone is getting too
Speaker 4: cute mentioning teams before the Bears, maybe I was too cute.
Speaker 4: Even It's like, how can you win it more than
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams and third.
Speaker 2: Winner in this selection process, I would say I'm definitely
Speaker 2: a loser in the winners section in terms of the timing,
Speaker 2: but I'll find a way to get even. I'll say
Speaker 2: that it's so it's it's so striking. The difference a
Speaker 2: difference one year makes what happened with Bryce Young and
Speaker 2: Carolina as the number one overall pick, and the way
Speaker 2: I hope teams learn from that and putting a kid
Speaker 2: into the starting lineup with nothing around him is a
Speaker 2: recipe for disaster. And that was kind of a that
Speaker 2: was a perfect storm of poop for the Panthers because
Speaker 2: to get to that number one pick, you had to
Speaker 2: trade your number one wide receiver when you didn't have
Speaker 2: much behind him at all. So you took away this
Speaker 2: you know, gifted young player in Dj Moore, and then
Speaker 2: you get the number one guy you want.
Speaker 1: Forget about the CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud component, but just the idea of not having any
Speaker 2: help around and I just I'm blown away by the
Speaker 2: difference for Caleb Williams, who has Shane Waldron coaching him,
Speaker 2: he has DJ Moore, as they said, on the outside,
Speaker 2: you have this fantastically exciting rookie prospect and Roma Dunez.
Speaker 2: And we know that wide receivers can hit the ground
Speaker 2: running as big time producers, so that's a possibility here
Speaker 2: that DJ Moore, who I think was a fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: yard receiver with a ton of touchdowns, now has a
Speaker 2: potential superstar joining him. And oh by the way, Keenan
Speaker 2: Allen is on this team, and Keenan Allen, before he
Speaker 2: went got injured last year, was on pace for like
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty catches.
Speaker 1: So that's how you do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, And they'll have to block for him obviously
Speaker 2: in the running game will have to do its work.
Speaker 2: But he is so set up well and I should
Speaker 2: mention DeAndre Swift also is added to this team, and
Speaker 2: that's a guy can make plays out of the backfield
Speaker 2: as a pass receiver too. So you know, I think
Speaker 2: from number one overall pick like confidence in a player
Speaker 2: hitting the ground running where when you combined his pedigree
Speaker 2: and what we think that this player is Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Now with what he's joining, the Bears can instantly be
Speaker 2: a threat in the NFC. And that's an exciting thought
Speaker 2: I know for Bears fans, maybe the.
Speaker 4: Best division of football now and I went up, Now
Speaker 4: we're gonna that the Packers Bears game. I mean, that
Speaker 4: could be like Sunday Night Week one. I feel like,
Speaker 4: let's flip it.
Speaker 2: Over to losers and I'll start with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It's been a tough offseason for the Dallas Cowboys. And
Speaker 2: I thought there was a chance here that they would
Speaker 2: hit on the draft in a way that was exciting.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't really matter if it's buzzy. Ultimately, the
Speaker 2: guys that they pick have to play like Tyler get
Speaker 2: in their offensive tackle out to Oklahoma. They take an
Speaker 2: edge rusher Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan with their
Speaker 2: second round pick. They take another line in Cooper Bebee
Speaker 2: with their third round pick. But there is a significant
Speaker 2: lack of sizzle here around the Dallas Cowboys and a
Speaker 2: team that needed to find a way to get better
Speaker 2: this offseason. I just don't see it, and then you
Speaker 2: have these I don't know. I think I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to say, if you're a Cowboys fan that you're
Speaker 2: a little bit nerve us about Jerry Jones as we
Speaker 2: enter these next years going ahead. He's an aging owner
Speaker 2: and they are. Obviously he has a huge voice in
Speaker 2: that room the press conference heading into Round two for
Speaker 2: a team that was desperate for running back help. Let's
Speaker 2: listen to Jerry Jones here when he talks about a
Speaker 2: running back prospect and does not do it after they
Speaker 2: take the prospect.
Speaker 1: They do it before.
Speaker 5: That's true that you could give some kind of assessment
Speaker 5: about Jonathan Brooks as an NFL prospect.
Speaker 3: And how his recovery is coming from Mashields versus.
Speaker 5: In my thirty years, I thought it was the best
Speaker 5: interview that I've ever interviewed. What's a player? He's outstanding
Speaker 5: and he's just outstanding, and he's a great football player.
Speaker 5: We got him.
Speaker 1: And he's a good showing the board, well, I got.
Speaker 6: It out here.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Who's on the far right on that day is I
Speaker 4: had the same question. That's well play They're they're personnel director. Okay, great,
Speaker 4: so that's important.
Speaker 2: If you play the rest of that clip, I'll just
Speaker 2: tell you Stephen Jones is next to him, Jerry's son,
Speaker 2: who literally elbows him and says, hey, show them the
Speaker 2: whole board. While you're at it, you have Mike mccarthur
Speaker 2: just sitting there essentially like a corpse, like I cannot
Speaker 2: believe this is what's happening. And then you have the
Speaker 2: personnel director who ends the interaction with media with and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of other guys we like too, So
Speaker 2: you get basically give away how desperate you are for
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks, who then of course goes to another team,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's direct, if it's there's
Speaker 2: a correlation, but they take Jonathan Brooks forty six in
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four draft, So the Panthers jump up
Speaker 2: and get Brooks, and I just thought it was that
Speaker 2: was like a snapshot into the world of the Cowboys
Speaker 2: right now. And the reporting that's coming out today that
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are now interested in a reunion with Ezekiel
Speaker 2: Elliott tells me everything about an organization that needs to
Speaker 2: find a way to get over the hump. But if anything,
Speaker 2: I feel like they've backed alid a little bit this offseason.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and like the I think the Ezekiel
Speaker 3: Elliott part of it is uncreative. It is embarrassing because
Speaker 3: you here's the thing. I think Jerry Jones over the
Speaker 3: last five six plus years and his team kind of
Speaker 3: kind of quieted some of the criticism about it being
Speaker 3: a bit of a Wild West operation because they drafted
Speaker 3: really well and they made good decisions. And I know,
Speaker 3: you know in the past he always like over extended
Speaker 3: his own players and paid them too much, but they
Speaker 3: were good. A team that drafted well like this in
Speaker 3: this offseason has been a complete disaster.
Speaker 1: And and there's you know it was too monchy, so
Speaker 1: you could complete disaster. That feels a little I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I don't think it's I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, because this is a team, this is
Speaker 3: one of the five or six teams that went into
Speaker 3: the offseason viewing themselves as a super Bowl team and
Speaker 3: verbalized because here's what annoys me, because you don't have
Speaker 3: to say anything. You don't have to say what you
Speaker 3: just said in that press conference. You don't have to
Speaker 3: say what you said months ago where Jerry Jones is
Speaker 3: telling the world and everyone's gonna listen and talk about it.
Speaker 3: We're all in, we're gonna do everything. And I'm tired
Speaker 3: of talking about the subject at this point too. But
Speaker 3: it's like, you're gonna say that and then you do nothing.
Speaker 4: Look, I think they ended up with a guy and
Speaker 4: Tyler Geitton that might not be ready to play right away,
Speaker 4: and yet they need him to play right away. And
Speaker 4: after trading down five, but to give them some credit,
Speaker 4: they picked up an extra third round pick because like
Speaker 4: they might need another starter to start this year, and
Speaker 4: that's Cooper Beebe.
Speaker 1: So it's like Okay, you traded down.
Speaker 4: You maybe did get an extra potential starter at guard
Speaker 4: in the third round.
Speaker 1: We'll see if that works out or not. But the
Speaker 1: Brooks thing is crazy to me.
Speaker 4: Not only did that lose me a sandwich by Jonathan
Speaker 4: Brooks Cowboys, that direct hit which I thought was gonna happen,
Speaker 4: that was before the draft. I made that pick. And
Speaker 4: then he said that the Panthers. The Panthers traded up.
Speaker 4: Of course they're aware of that, and they're probably aware
Speaker 4: that the Cowboys are heat seeking and running back anyways,
Speaker 4: and Jonathan Brooks, if he wasn't coming off of torn
Speaker 4: acl I mean his tape as a receiver and just
Speaker 4: how he can move his feet as a big guy
Speaker 4: is pretty great. Like he could have been a potential
Speaker 4: first round running back now for the injury, and yeah,
Speaker 4: you gave away the game and you don't end up
Speaker 4: with your guy in the second round.
Speaker 2: Jarro turns eighty two later this year, and I just
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it, and you can check it
Speaker 2: out on YouTube if you'd like, where the show also lives.
Speaker 2: Just seeing the way Steven Jones especially was reacting and
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy I think was in a catatonic shock at
Speaker 2: that point how they reacted to the Cowboys credit and
Speaker 2: this is to Jarro's credit, to Stephen Jones, to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: The last three seasons twelve and five, twelve and five,
Speaker 2: twelve and five, and a lot of that has been
Speaker 2: going back to strong drafting and they've been able to
Speaker 2: become a top team in the NFC. It's just I
Speaker 2: can't shake that feeling and this now I don't want
Speaker 2: to step on the around the NFC in forty eight minutes.
Speaker 2: But my overall thought is like they already had the window,
Speaker 2: was the window, and now they missed it with Dak
Speaker 2: and CD and Michael when they were young, when they
Speaker 2: were younger, before second contracts, and now they're stuck in
Speaker 2: this kind of I don't know, purgatory and they and
Speaker 2: they're not there. They can't really improve the team because
Speaker 2: they if they want to keep the core together, they're
Speaker 2: gonna have to pay all those guys. So you're kind
Speaker 2: of stuck in between. And then you have to and
Speaker 2: you're picking late in the draft because you keep on
Speaker 2: having a great regular season record, So they're kind of
Speaker 2: caught in this twilight zone. It will be interesting to
Speaker 2: see what Cowboys team we get in September.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest concern for me is the change of
Speaker 4: tone in the Dak Prescott talks that the Cowboys are
Speaker 4: kind of putting it all off, and Dak when asked
Speaker 4: about it at these charity events and stuff, has a
Speaker 4: very different tone too, and that that's an awkward situation.
Speaker 4: He has a no trade I mean a no tag
Speaker 4: clause in his contract, which is massive as he hits
Speaker 4: free agency. And yeah, they could they could decide to
Speaker 4: just like rip the bandit off. And you're right, they've
Speaker 4: drafted well, but they didn't last year when I thought
Speaker 4: they kind of reached for need. And I kind of
Speaker 4: think if you look at this drafty, they kind of
Speaker 4: reach for need too.
Speaker 2: Let me just final point when you look at their
Speaker 2: depth chart, because I really thought they needed to add
Speaker 2: a playmaker to their offense. They don't get the running
Speaker 2: back they wanted. You still obviously have CD there, although
Speaker 2: you have contract drama around him. You still have Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 2: who's a very solid guy who found his footing right now.
Speaker 2: You have Jalen Tolbert as a starter. You have a
Speaker 2: sixth round pick, Ryan Floornoy taken. You have a seventh
Speaker 2: round pick last year, Jalen Brooks on the roster. Cavante
Speaker 2: Turpin is there as an option. It's just it's not hot.
Speaker 2: It ain't hot on that depth chart. Once you get
Speaker 2: past the super duperstar and Brooks, so.
Speaker 1: Cooks, I should say.
Speaker 2: All right, how about another winner or a loser, anything
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 4: Greg Well, just because you mentioned it with Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 4: just a quick winner on Bryce Young, I thought the
Speaker 4: first round pick, you know, moving up to take Xavier Leget,
Speaker 4: it's a little risky. He's a risky prospect. He kind
Speaker 4: of reminds me of Jonathan Mingo, the guy they took
Speaker 4: at fortieth overall last years. Like he's not really a
Speaker 4: guy that gets opened, but when you see him running
Speaker 4: in the open field, he is just like a sight
Speaker 4: to behold. I would like guys that could get open.
Speaker 4: I know that they're hoping the offense, you know, help
Speaker 4: helps you out a little bit more. But then in
Speaker 4: the second round, you get the best running back in
Speaker 4: the class with Jonathan Brooks. You get a tight end
Speaker 4: in Jatavian Sanders. You spent all that money in the
Speaker 4: off season on the offensive line, just like an exorbitant
Speaker 4: amount of money. It's like, Okay, we're trying here. Like
Speaker 4: they went into this draft trying to help Bryce hung
Speaker 4: out as much as they could. Jatavian Sanders is a
Speaker 4: pretty explosive tight end. Maybe it takes them a year
Speaker 4: to get ready, but like, okay, three more offensive pieces.
Speaker 4: We spent much on the line. It's like, at least
Speaker 4: they're trying go Bryce Young, don't give up.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I thought they they had a good draft, and I
Speaker 3: mean they I think it makes sense because we saw
Speaker 3: the Bills do this with Josh Allen in a hurry
Speaker 3: and this was a Kyle Shanahan thing. Wherever he went
Speaker 3: was like a mass weapons and get your kind of
Speaker 3: offense together quickly. And I like what they've done for
Speaker 3: Bryce Young this this offseason. There are, yes, there's some
Speaker 3: question marks about parts of it, but it is wholly
Speaker 3: better than where it was a year ago. And it's like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a better read because I I don't
Speaker 3: give him a total mulligan for last season, but it's
Speaker 3: just kind of hard to assess who the player is
Speaker 3: going forward based on that. You know, a total mess
Speaker 3: of a campaign where the coach is getting fired. You're
Speaker 3: already on your second. I like, I like the idea
Speaker 3: of you're bringing a quarterback in Canalis, the guy that's
Speaker 3: saved two quarterbacks in a row.
Speaker 1: That's a good fit.
Speaker 3: And then they're putting him in a position where we
Speaker 3: can assess what Bryce Young is and then you've got
Speaker 3: to make a hard decision if he's not improved. All right,
Speaker 3: give us another one mark, So I'll give you a
Speaker 3: winner with a loser folded inside of it. I thought
Speaker 3: the Bengals had a good draft, and it's it. Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe you don't love all of it because I know,
Speaker 3: you know, we're communicating and we're hearing from like you know,
Speaker 3: the Westling brothers, and they seem kind of hot and
Speaker 3: cold with certain stuff.
Speaker 1: But like, if you get the right version, we weren't.
Speaker 4: Big on a Marius Mems, which I thought was a
Speaker 4: shot worth taking at the spot.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and that's the thing. I think.
Speaker 3: If you get like the upside, and I think they
Speaker 3: trust that they can do that, then that's a good pick.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's take a break and we'll do some
Speaker 2: more winners and losers.
Speaker 1: Just getting warmed up here. We'll be right back. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do some winters and losers coming up in
Speaker 1: these seconds. What love is that?
Speaker 2: Why you're talking so fast while you're rotating in the
Speaker 2: chair too.
Speaker 1: You were giving a little audio fantasia there for us.
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't know what fantasia means, but
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, We are going to get back into
Speaker 2: winters and losers, and we are. Let's talk about a
Speaker 2: guy that's you know, he's been in our life for
Speaker 2: a while now, and he's always struck me as a
Speaker 2: unique individual. And it's hard to it's hard to really
Speaker 2: put your finger on it. What it is that makes
Speaker 2: him such a unique individual. What like what makes Chris
Speaker 2: Ballard tick? Indianapolis Cults general manager since twenty seventeen. And
Speaker 2: I guess I will say that it's good to have
Speaker 2: a Chris Ballard in the league because he is going
Speaker 2: to come at you and he's going to surprise you sometimes.
Speaker 2: Sometimes will be by the way he looks like he's
Speaker 2: growing his hair out, like twenty eleven era Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: right now, like Tom Cruise Scientology video leaks era hair.
Speaker 3: Or twenty eleven Tom Brady. I feel like he's bad.
Speaker 2: Which is by far my least favorite Tom Brady hair era.
Speaker 2: I did that one, Just that one threw me for
Speaker 2: a loop. But anyway, with Ballard, it's like, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: always going to keep us on our toes. And with
Speaker 2: that said, he kept the entire media on their toes
Speaker 2: when he sat down after the Friday drafting of a
Speaker 2: wide receiver A done Mitchell, who is a very talented
Speaker 2: player who I guess fell down or fell off some
Speaker 2: draft boards because of reports.
Speaker 1: Is important, reports of.
Speaker 2: Character concerns, okay, and a lot of these reports were
Speaker 2: not necessarily strongly sourced, but it's stuck to Mitchell, whether
Speaker 2: he deserved to or not.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't have the data or the research to tell
Speaker 2: you whether this man should have been getting dinged with
Speaker 2: character concerned reports. But what Chris Ballard doesn't like are
Speaker 2: people throwing it out there and not putting their names
Speaker 2: behind it.
Speaker 1: So hit it, Chris, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I mean I read some of the
Speaker 7: bulls that was set on Tea. I mean just a
Speaker 7: typical excuse my language, our typical league, unnamed sources, you know,
Speaker 7: bad interview. That's such bullshit. I mean it is. It's bullshit,
Speaker 7: like put your name, like, put your name on it.
Speaker 7: I'm tired of we tear these young men down. These
Speaker 7: are twenty one, twenty two young men. And if you can,
Speaker 7: if people out there can tell me, they don't they're
Speaker 7: perfect in their lives. It's crap, it's crap. This is
Speaker 7: a good kid, and you know, for for that, for
Speaker 7: those reports to come out, like you know, I said
Speaker 7: it last year, it's it's bullshit. I'm sorry. I apologize
Speaker 7: for the language. I don't but I do.
Speaker 2: So he obviously that's that's mad. He's big mad there
Speaker 2: about it. And I did like uh. And we'll learn
Speaker 2: more about Mitchell and his NFL journey here now. But
Speaker 2: he was asked, Mitchell the receiver was asked to describe
Speaker 2: his game later that same day, and this is good.
Speaker 2: His respects the best. That's like a Liam Gallagher type response.
Speaker 4: That is a wild journey there, And look, I think
Speaker 4: it worked out for Ballard. He ends up taking Lati
Speaker 4: Latu in the first round, the top defensive player on
Speaker 4: his board, clearly because he was the first one off
Speaker 4: the board, and knowing this is a deep receiver class
Speaker 4: and to have a guy like Adie Mitchell, who everyone
Speaker 4: expected to go in the first round and had some
Speaker 4: real number one receiver type traits fall to him. It
Speaker 4: worked out well, and Ballard's mad, and I mean that's
Speaker 4: a close it's a friend of Lanceserline, who's a friend
Speaker 4: of the show. So that's a strong character connection there.
Speaker 4: I think the issue with Mitchell though, and I'll put
Speaker 4: my name on it, and I don't know. If I
Speaker 4: don't know about the character stuff, there probably was stuff
Speaker 4: out there I didn't see. But my issue was when
Speaker 4: you watched him, it just like looked like he was
Speaker 4: going half speed like a lot of the time, Like
Speaker 4: he just didn't go all out every route.
Speaker 1: And so that's not a character issue.
Speaker 4: And there could be conversations about why that happened and
Speaker 4: why that didn't, but that's gonna take him off some
Speaker 4: people's boards of like a guy that you didn't feel
Speaker 4: was giving one hundred percent every single snap in college,
Speaker 4: and there might be reasons for that, and clearly the
Speaker 4: Colts don't mind. And he's probably gonna play right away
Speaker 4: over Alec Pierce. He's a better version of Alec Pierce
Speaker 4: Ballard definitely. I mean, we've got a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: track record with him. He certainly likes traits and players.
Speaker 4: He wants big, strong, lanky, tall guys and like the
Speaker 4: Colts are built around him and like in other organizations,
Speaker 4: like I'm not sure he would have survived because they
Speaker 4: misfired on the quarterback situation post Andrew Luck so many times.
Speaker 4: But I will say this about Ballard Dan like he
Speaker 4: looks about twelve years younger to me right now. The hair,
Speaker 4: the skin, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: It's like there's a bit of a glow up happening
Speaker 3: there and like it's yet we like, I I know
Speaker 3: you've had like Ballard personality, I don't know what it
Speaker 3: is or just like the overall vibe of him. You know,
Speaker 3: the favorite type of frog thing too, that's just that's
Speaker 3: that's out there. But like he to me looks about
Speaker 3: as good as he's ever looked. He's had an incredible
Speaker 3: the frog thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite type of frog? What's your favorite type
Speaker 1: of frog? We know it was just gaslight mark and say,
Speaker 1: we have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Two if you were on that hill together because of
Speaker 3: a combine experience, I understand that, but like.
Speaker 1: Would you famously ask that.
Speaker 3: Would you say that he do you not agree that
Speaker 3: he looks younger in fresher And this is one of
Speaker 3: the biggest takeaway I have from one of the biggest
Speaker 3: takeaways I have from the draft.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I think he looks good for his age.
Speaker 2: And I think, uh, I think going back to that
Speaker 2: standing in Indianapolis, Greg, you and I next each other,
Speaker 2: and and and watching him address the media for the
Speaker 2: first time all those years ago, like this, what happened
Speaker 2: today is kind of hammering home that, like what that
Speaker 2: initial observation, like, this guy just feels a little different.
Speaker 2: He's he's got a little he's got a little something
Speaker 2: to him, a little piss and vinegar, a little bit
Speaker 2: of an unpredictable nature to him. Maybe he's a perfect
Speaker 2: GM for ownership with Jim Irs.
Speaker 4: You know something you can't quite put a finger on.
Speaker 4: But Eric Eric Hebron did that. This story got passed
Speaker 4: around so long that Eric Ebron responded to it and said,
Speaker 4: this is the same dude that trashed my name throughout
Speaker 4: the league, said he said I quit after I played,
Speaker 4: knowing I needed surgery. This is cap So he's saying
Speaker 4: that Ballard is just grand standing about a g Adie
Speaker 4: Mitchell and I think he's the worst GM ever.
Speaker 1: So that's yes, that's Eric Brown. Okay.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I didn't know this was a thing,
Speaker 4: but I guess it was a thing, all right. I
Speaker 4: have one connected to that good Colts team because I
Speaker 4: thought they were connected. That the Colts and Chargers were
Speaker 4: winners for the same reason, just that that they passed
Speaker 4: on wide receivers at spots that they absolutely could have.
Speaker 4: And if the Chargers had Malik Neighbors or the Colts
Speaker 4: to Brian Thomas Junior, like I would have liked those picks.
Speaker 4: But if you look at the combination of what they got,
Speaker 4: the Colts got Lots and Mitchell, and then the Chargers
Speaker 4: got Joe all like a really great tackle prospect, and
Speaker 4: you get lo Lad mcconckiy in the second round. You
Speaker 4: make those decisions not in a vacuum, knowing that receiver
Speaker 4: is deeper this year, that the two pack you're getting
Speaker 4: with your two premium picks is going to be better
Speaker 4: perhaps if you pass on the wide receiver early. And
Speaker 4: I just think the Chargers headed at a nice week.
Speaker 4: They also got Junior Colson. It's probably gonna.
Speaker 1: Start right away.
Speaker 4: Just a David Harris clone is kind of his his
Speaker 4: mo O, and he played for Jim Harbaugh, and it's
Speaker 4: just like, it's just so nice to have Harbor. I
Speaker 4: mentioned the quote the other day, Randy behind the Virtual Glass.
Speaker 4: Let's let's play the the other Jim Harbaugh quote talking
Speaker 4: about his brother texting him.
Speaker 1: During the drift.
Speaker 6: My brother texted me getting after the pick and he said,
Speaker 6: that's that's who I would have taken if if he
Speaker 6: was at that picks.
Speaker 1: In the phone.
Speaker 6: Let's see.
Speaker 1: Taking the phone.
Speaker 6: Oh, I haven't texted him back there. We'd be an
Speaker 6: appropriate response there.
Speaker 1: Thumbs up and I'll.
Speaker 6: I'll give him a.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's that's cool. Like my dad, Keith Hansas.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the last eighteen months or so
Speaker 2: started rocking with emojis for the first time, and it's
Speaker 2: it's a jarring moment. And I think Jim Harbaugh using
Speaker 2: emojis is not something I could ever admit. And I
Speaker 2: think he was playing along there. He had no idea
Speaker 2: what they were talking about. In terms of putting a
Speaker 2: thumbs up. He probably wrote thumbs up, that would be
Speaker 2: a move that feels like a Jim Harbaugh move. I
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought up the Chargers there too, because
Speaker 2: I agree. I think the only thing I was nervous
Speaker 2: with the Harball hire was that he's he's such a
Speaker 2: huge personality and character at this point that he's almost
Speaker 2: too big for a team like the Chargers, and it
Speaker 2: could lead to some chaos with him being unchecked power
Speaker 2: wise and some strange stuff going on, like, for instance,
Speaker 2: you know, answering the phone when the Patriots called about
Speaker 2: a trade of Justin Herbert, and I just feel like
Speaker 2: it's been a sensible I know it was a little
Speaker 2: dicey there in free agency when they essentially dump their
Speaker 2: top two wide receivers, but that's also there's a logic
Speaker 2: behind that those are thirty something receivers with injury histories,
Speaker 2: and to take the best offensive lineman prospect in a
Speaker 2: couple of years number one McConkey feels like a very
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh guy. And as much as we all can
Speaker 2: argue about Justin Herbert about at what level and how
Speaker 2: special truly is Herbert entering year five, Like, give him
Speaker 2: weapons and give him stability, and give him a good
Speaker 2: offensive line, and you're gonna get some real hard answers.
Speaker 2: So I think the Chargers are set up well here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like we talked about the Commanders
Speaker 3: and the Bears being different to us, and the Chargers
Speaker 3: to me, you know, year after year, like no matter
Speaker 3: who was in charge, seemed to be snake bit by
Speaker 3: the same football god, ill luck and misfortunes it did.
Speaker 3: They just seem the same to me always, And it's
Speaker 3: like they feel very different to me now. And I think,
Speaker 3: like like Lad McConkie, and we've talked about him a
Speaker 3: little bit before on the show. I mean, justin Herbert's
Speaker 3: gonna love him, and I think that Alt is an
Speaker 3: absolute home run pick.
Speaker 1: So it's like the Chargers to me, there's some different energy.
Speaker 3: And I think the Harball thing is not just you know,
Speaker 3: a bunch of headlines and a bunch of personality, Like
Speaker 3: there's a real plan here.
Speaker 4: And I identified him with as like an aging man
Speaker 4: who very often like sees a text I enjoy kind
Speaker 4: of look at it, laugh, but I'm in the middle
Speaker 4: of something and then I completely forget to ever respond,
Speaker 4: and then you're just I just figure, well, I guess
Speaker 4: don't ever respond.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 4: You know, people, they're gonna have to understand it. It's
Speaker 4: a totally different vibe with the Chargers, though, Jim Harborten,
Speaker 4: we got to get to this at some point in
Speaker 4: the off season. Is living in an RV park next
Speaker 4: to Greg Roman. I mean, that is just it's amazing content.
Speaker 4: And then the Chargers have built out some content.
Speaker 1: I think, dis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we bring that up, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: we can't dig deeper into that, into that top. I
Speaker 3: have a winner that I'm like a little hesitant or
Speaker 3: flat out kind of scared to bring up on this show.
Speaker 3: I don't so I'm I don't know if I should
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 1: But it's up to you guys, please, I mean, now
Speaker 1: you have to.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I know it's a little on
Speaker 3: the nose, but if you're the Eagles and you get
Speaker 3: Quenyon Mitchell falls to you.
Speaker 1: But we already did this.
Speaker 2: I already remember that reumptively named them winners on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Okay, but there's more to it, I would say.
Speaker 3: I I think that, like, for instance, some of their
Speaker 3: other picks like will Shipley is a very interesting running back,
Speaker 3: like Cooper Dejean, who I think is a loser in
Speaker 3: terms of money because I had him going like at
Speaker 3: twenty and a lot of people had him going in
Speaker 3: the twenties.
Speaker 1: But he falls to the second round.
Speaker 3: He goes at forty, but it's a great landing spot,
Speaker 3: so he's kind of a winner. It's kind of if
Speaker 3: you ever, like were younger, and you took a job
Speaker 3: that felt better to you, that had a little bit
Speaker 3: less money attached to it, and you made a good
Speaker 3: decision on top of that, Like they resigned a j.
Speaker 1: Brown.
Speaker 3: We talked about that, but Jeremiah Trotter is we've we've
Speaker 3: mentioned that we'll get the best.
Speaker 1: But it's like they did.
Speaker 3: They did, they did, they had, They didn't over they
Speaker 3: didn't trade up to get stuff that they that they
Speaker 3: had to overspend for quality failed to them.
Speaker 1: So there's some luck there.
Speaker 3: It's not all Howie Roseman is a demi god from
Speaker 3: a different part of the solar system. But it's like
Speaker 3: luck but smart decision making. They got better. Like their
Speaker 3: secondary quietly needed a lot of work, I thought, and
Speaker 3: like they addressed it, and so it was just a
Speaker 3: very solid draft for the Eagles. Where you're walking away
Speaker 3: thinking like this was a chaotic end of the last season,
Speaker 3: but we've kind of reset the board to some degree.
Speaker 2: At this point, there's two there's two conversations, and they're
Speaker 2: separate conversations. So that's that's important. Like my take that
Speaker 2: I've shared that I feel like NFL media in general
Speaker 2: is filled with a lot of copycats and people that
Speaker 2: just prib the notes off people who are seen as
Speaker 2: tastemakers in terms of opinion.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that is an.
Speaker 2: Epidemic that that as somebody who listen, you may think
Speaker 2: Dan gets a lot things right, a lot of things wrong.
Speaker 2: But I tell you, every opinion I have is my opinion,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I think, and it's something that actually comes
Speaker 2: from how I feel and I share it.
Speaker 1: There's too much.
Speaker 2: There's too much out there, people aligning themselves with people
Speaker 2: whose opinions are respected on a higher level. Greg's part
Speaker 2: of the problem with this, and and I think, what, No,
Speaker 2: you're not a part of the problem. But Greg, you
Speaker 2: are one of the taste makers, by the way, and
Speaker 2: that's a credit I'll give to you.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: That's why it makes you a little uncomfortable bringing up
Speaker 2: because Greg has has.
Speaker 4: Influence just like like the same sort of team building
Speaker 4: that like how he is into we've been too Eagles
Speaker 4: since twenty seventeen, but they Greg, Greg Dan is.
Speaker 3: Right, but there is a how we hero worship element
Speaker 3: that like, yeah, I'm not even on Twitter, I don't
Speaker 3: and you do check it out once in a while.
Speaker 1: And I think Dan's got a point there.
Speaker 2: And you have that, you have a platform Greg within
Speaker 2: the football Gagna Zancty, and you're not alone and there
Speaker 2: are other people that think Howie and his team are
Speaker 2: really sharp and and so that's that's part one of this.
Speaker 2: Now Part two is the theory I have and I
Speaker 2: think why this keeps happening every year. I believe the
Speaker 2: Eagles are very online. This is a theory I have
Speaker 2: and the Eagles. So when all of these boards come
Speaker 2: out about these draft boards, about who's a good value
Speaker 2: who these mocks, isn't it funny that the guys that
Speaker 2: are widely mocked in the first round then fall to
Speaker 2: the later rounds, it's always the Eagles that are the
Speaker 2: ones that get those guys. So I think the Eagles
Speaker 2: are the decisions they make are very similar to the
Speaker 2: mock draft community, the top mock draft community people. And
Speaker 2: then when they take that guy that, oh wait, he
Speaker 2: was supposed to go twenty three, but he's going thirty eight,
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, oh my god, the Eagles done it again.
Speaker 2: Maybe the Eagles aren't doing any work at all, and
Speaker 2: they are just like basically studying, like Daniel Jeremiah is
Speaker 2: top fifty or mel Kiper's big board, and they're taking
Speaker 2: whoever's the highest left pick. It's like the guy in
Speaker 2: your fantasy league who doesn't know anything but just takes
Speaker 2: best available player and then you're like, whoa, how did
Speaker 2: that person last into the third round? I think that's
Speaker 2: a little thing's Eagles. So I got multiple theories out there.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: I respect your football knowledge you are. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: you're part of the problem, but it's people that then
Speaker 2: follow the people that are deemed the intellectual taste makers
Speaker 2: of football universe that are on my radar. Good job, Eagles.
Speaker 2: It looks like you got better and you better get better.
Speaker 4: I love this theory because it just shows what a
Speaker 4: boondoggle it is for the roughly thirty seven men and women,
Speaker 4: mostly men. Let's be real, in suits in a white
Speaker 4: shirt with no tie. There's like an Eagle uniform that
Speaker 4: is the most crowded draft room I've ever seen. There's
Speaker 4: thirty dudes with suits on, but all they're doing is
Speaker 4: printing out the Consensus big board. And you know what,
Speaker 4: there's actually a real answer, so that you might be
Speaker 4: onto something here in reality, because the Ravens and the
Speaker 4: Bengals are like this too. There are a lot of
Speaker 4: analytical thinking that like if you go by the consensus
Speaker 4: big board, if you go way off, for instance, a
Speaker 4: consensus big board, like over time, it's been proven production wise,
Speaker 4: like the Consensus big board actually does outperform basically anything
Speaker 4: else that you could do, you really could draft off.
Speaker 4: And the consensus big board Aurifasann who's been on our
Speaker 4: show he puts it together, is from like one hundred
Speaker 4: big boards, And you're kind of right that if you
Speaker 4: do go off that over time it's been proven like
Speaker 4: that's pretty effective to maybe not be like the Jaguars
Speaker 4: who are always taking guys like fifty spots before they
Speaker 4: were supposed to go.
Speaker 3: I think you make a compelling point, Dan with your
Speaker 3: with your theory, and there is probably an element of
Speaker 3: truth to everything you're saying. But the other way you
Speaker 3: can go in the draft is be a team like,
Speaker 3: you know, like we talked about this a bunch the
Speaker 3: other night, but like the Falcons, that takes Michael Pennix
Speaker 3: when no one thought you would take them there, and
Speaker 3: then they took a defensive tackle. You know, next that,
Speaker 3: like people are saying, wait a minute, that guy's meant
Speaker 3: to go in like the fourth or fifth round, and
Speaker 3: it's like suddenly things start to look nonsensical, slightly dark,
Speaker 3: slightly crazy, and it's like that fan base that front
Speaker 3: office is thinking differently and not thinking the way the
Speaker 3: public things.
Speaker 1: But do we like that? You know?
Speaker 2: I think I've made my point on the Falcons clear,
Speaker 2: but like I think the Eagles are very well run
Speaker 2: and not overthinking things I think helps you a lot.
Speaker 1: I also think there's the NFL.
Speaker 2: Now forget about the COGNITCENTI, the NFL is also a
Speaker 2: copycat league in thinking a lot and when a player
Speaker 2: starts dropping down the board, I think there's a lot
Speaker 2: of teams that go like, oh, if so and so
Speaker 2: doesn't like them, why should we like them? And to
Speaker 2: the Eagles credit, I don't think they think the same way.
Speaker 2: I think if they they like a player, they go
Speaker 2: and get them. So there, I guess that the overarching
Speaker 2: theory here is that the reason why they keep on
Speaker 2: being the bell of the ball is their their draft style,
Speaker 2: like and their draft methods and mythology methodology connects with
Speaker 2: what everyone's obsessing about for four months and with their
Speaker 2: mocks and all the things that they're obsessed with. So
Speaker 2: when the Eagles make the pick that everyone's been spending
Speaker 2: weeks and weeks about these certain players, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, the Eagles, they did it. You're right, they
Speaker 1: legitimized not just their roster but me. You're right.
Speaker 3: But Greg, I'd asked you a question, like, why do
Speaker 3: you think that Cooper dejen fell? I think that was
Speaker 3: a genuine surprise that he felt that even that far
Speaker 3: into the second round.
Speaker 1: I think he can do a lot.
Speaker 3: He's a good return man, which matters a lot this
Speaker 3: at least this season, as a you know, in today's NFL,
Speaker 3: it's like he seemed like almost any team could use him,
Speaker 3: and it's like a lot of teams did not agree
Speaker 3: with the value.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that maybe people viewed him as a
Speaker 4: tweeter and they didn't quite know where to put him.
Speaker 4: And like, honestly, being a white cornerback, I honestly think
Speaker 4: that's that's an issue, like Bomani Jones talks about it
Speaker 4: a lot, like joking it's like white coaches let your
Speaker 4: athletes stay at cornerback, they always end up moving him
Speaker 4: to safety. They never end up getting a chance to
Speaker 4: stay and play at safety, like this is a crazy athlete.
Speaker 4: But he did show versatility and maybe just people didn't
Speaker 4: quite like he didn't fit the profile in they saw
Speaker 4: him as a safety and a guy you move inside
Speaker 4: who goes later. By the way, you share your opinion
Speaker 4: Dan with Bill Barnwell who said he responded to something
Speaker 4: I said about how he that like you, you know,
Speaker 4: how he's done it again was trending on Twitter, and
Speaker 4: he was like, as Mike Curse with Alice, he could
Speaker 4: and I think he's basically saying the same thing as
Speaker 4: you in a different way that I think he's consistently
Speaker 4: a B plus GM And when he's down, people don't
Speaker 4: like him because he's sort of defending him. But mostly
Speaker 4: when he's good, people are mad at him because, like
Speaker 4: he points out, you know, the bad picks like the
Speaker 4: Andre Dillard pick and the Jordan Davis pick, which he
Speaker 4: got a lot of credit for. The keiey Ringo pick
Speaker 4: last year Allequate, It's like he has plenty of missus too.
Speaker 1: He was not there. You mentioned it last week. He
Speaker 1: was hot for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4: I mean, right right, you know who's got to becoming
Speaker 4: the Eagles and just a quick winner is the Lions.
Speaker 4: Like the Lions secondary and the Lions confidence like their
Speaker 4: hootspa right now that you trade up for Arnold, that
Speaker 4: was a great pick Terry and Arnold. And then you
Speaker 4: you stick and you take another corner who was by
Speaker 4: far the highest guy on the board for Daniel Jeremiah's
Speaker 4: big board enis Rakestraw Junior, and you just kind of
Speaker 4: take the value in between those two guys in Carlton Davis.
Speaker 4: You've really remade your your cornerback group.
Speaker 1: And that's great.
Speaker 4: But the thing that makes me realize like they're they're
Speaker 4: a little getting high on their own supply in a
Speaker 4: good way. They've been confident to take bold picks is
Speaker 4: they traded a third round pick next year to draft
Speaker 4: Giovanni Manu, a player that was not invited to the
Speaker 4: Scouting Combine, with pick one six. So they paid a
Speaker 4: third next year for pick one twenty six a three
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty pound tackle from the universe of British Columbia.
Speaker 4: And they they think it's like they're Jordan Mailatta and
Speaker 4: that he wasn't gonna necessarily fall that much further.
Speaker 1: And that's great.
Speaker 4: They have conviction about it and they believe like they
Speaker 4: are the team to turnhim into gold. But that that's
Speaker 4: a that's a gutsy pick to trade a third for
Speaker 4: a guy.
Speaker 1: That you know it was playing in Canada.
Speaker 3: Mark, you got one I do, and it's it's a
Speaker 3: player who's already in the league. And I think it's
Speaker 3: Brock Party because we were in this forty eight hour
Speaker 3: window where like I think at the right, you know,
Speaker 3: situation have been presented. Either Deebo Samuel or Brandon Ayuk
Speaker 3: are not on the team anymore. Instead they're both on
Speaker 3: the team. They're not going to get traded, and you
Speaker 3: add Ricky Parasol. So it's like you actually just added
Speaker 3: a weapon during a weekend when you know, cap money,
Speaker 3: whatever situations relationships could have taken. Brock Purty in a
Speaker 3: very critical third year with a Super Bowl window open,
Speaker 3: had taken one of his biggest weapons away. So you know,
Speaker 3: some of this stuff that we had talked about for
Speaker 3: forty days, like Ayuk and Samuel came up more recently.
Speaker 3: But it's like in the end, like what the move
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen could end up being the biggest move
Speaker 3: for one of the best teams in the league.
Speaker 2: Did you see Ayuk texted the Niners maybe it was
Speaker 2: Lynch or Shanahan after the pearce All pick. He's like
Speaker 2: that pick was fire and not gonna lie. And then
Speaker 2: I saw somebody on Twitter pointed out, like that's like
Speaker 2: the that's a text scent from a guy that feels confident.
Speaker 1: He's not the guy that's going to be traded if
Speaker 1: a trade gets made. Exactly.
Speaker 4: He sent like an ig story too, like dancing around
Speaker 4: this week and I think he is gonna get paid.
Speaker 4: But Deebo spoke to Diana Ricini and said the team.
Speaker 4: He didn't say it that the team told him about
Speaker 4: possibly trading him or not, but she asked about the
Speaker 4: reports and he just said, I know what's going on.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. I'm good with staying with them.
Speaker 4: I'm chilling. And the way the forty nine ers talked
Speaker 4: about it after is I think they were probably open
Speaker 4: with him that like, hey, we did have these conversations,
Speaker 4: and the way they spoke publicly, it sounded like that
Speaker 4: door has closed now and that they're all going to
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 1: And so you're right, perty's a big winner. This one's
Speaker 1: kind of tough to classify.
Speaker 2: Uh, Tony Khan, who's the right man, the right hand
Speaker 2: man of Shod Khan Jaguars owner. First of all, I
Speaker 2: believe he's still wearing the neck brace. Uh, and that
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise me. Let's start here today he was today. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because when you suffer a neck injury and on a
Speaker 2: on a pile driver still paddling this one, it's not
Speaker 2: the idea that you're going to get better in a day.
Speaker 1: It might be months, it could be years.
Speaker 2: So I hope, I hope Tony's okay, because, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: despite Greg following, you know, tens of thousands of people
Speaker 2: that are wrestling fanatics, you seem to not understand that
Speaker 2: the the the bumps are very real.
Speaker 4: Well, here here's another one that's on the Pat McAfee show.
Speaker 4: He was getting on Tony Kahan. He said, if you're
Speaker 4: gonna wear the neck brace and sell it, stop moving
Speaker 4: your neck around and walking around as if you're not
Speaker 4: injured at all, Like while he's wearing the neck brace,
Speaker 4: Tony khn is just looking around and having a normal thing.
Speaker 4: So Pat McAfee of Wrestling, you know, enthusiast employee, was saying,
Speaker 4: you got to sell the neck brace better.
Speaker 2: See this is when and I was just throwing you flowers,
Speaker 2: Greg for saying that you are part of the illuminati
Speaker 2: of the NFL media sphere. But now I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to give it to you a little bit the other way.
Speaker 2: You're you're coming off a little uninformed because Tony Khan
Speaker 2: is with I believe the ae W, which is a upstart.
Speaker 2: I know that, but it doesn't change the point. And
Speaker 2: let me throw it to our own network. This was
Speaker 2: wild Mike Aarrafolo and Steve Wish with Tony Khan, uh
Speaker 2: talking about all matters of not really Jaguars, just kind
Speaker 2: of Tony Khan, which is part of my greater point.
Speaker 1: Let's listen in.
Speaker 8: And we're up against a really evil juggernaut. WWE is
Speaker 8: is our competitor, that's who we're facing. AW like the
Speaker 8: Pepsi of pro wrestling. Ww's like the Harvey Weinstein of
Speaker 8: pro wrestling.
Speaker 1: And I'm really proud of what we do down here.
Speaker 2: I think, all right, toy, we're gonna figure hold on
Speaker 2: real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1: What's the prognosis. What are the doctors telling you?
Speaker 8: Well, uh, you know, to be honest, I think you're
Speaker 8: gonna have to tune in to AW to find out
Speaker 8: what they have to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Mike Garriffalo and Steve Weiss are friends
Speaker 4: with him.
Speaker 2: Steve Weiss so uncomfortable in that moment anytime Harvey want
Speaker 2: I don't think Harvey Wantstein's name has ever been uttered
Speaker 2: on NFL network in any capacity. So you see the
Speaker 2: on live television, Steve the bells going off there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that Pat McAfee is paid by Finzerickman. So I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: obviously he's gonna be critical of Tony Kahan and not
Speaker 2: try to legitimize his injury, which seems very.
Speaker 1: Possible that I think it was when I watched Thank
Speaker 1: you sir.
Speaker 2: And and one last thing, Mark, I want to throw
Speaker 2: to you on this. Now, let's say for a second
Speaker 2: that it is all a work right, and there's no
Speaker 2: neck injury and it's just a promotional tool.
Speaker 1: How does this make the Jaguars. Look, I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not the like, I'm not the I like fun stuff.
Speaker 2: I love when people in football don't take themselves too seriously.
Speaker 1: There are on some levels limits.
Speaker 2: And when he's in the war room with the neck
Speaker 2: brace and then he's giving interviews and dropping Weinstein on
Speaker 2: NFL network and like it almost starts to feel like
Speaker 2: are we I don't know, man?
Speaker 1: Like, where were your thoughts? Mark?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I thought some of the more notable images
Speaker 3: from the weekend were when he's sitting there and I'm
Speaker 3: with Greg that there's a lot of neck movement underneath
Speaker 3: that neck brace, but you know he's turning to better Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's turning to his right, but to his right is
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson, former NFL quarterback and head coach, A large
Speaker 3: man who's you know, serious, is a very serious pivot
Speaker 3: point in.
Speaker 1: The organization careers on the industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got Trent Balki, who's you know, trying
Speaker 3: to mend fences after you know what happened to him
Speaker 3: in a press conference a couple of days ago. And
Speaker 3: it's like the looks on their faces were my favorite
Speaker 3: part of the draft on one level, because it's like
Speaker 3: wait a minute, what's going on with this? Like the
Speaker 3: son of the owner in a neck bracett and we've
Speaker 3: had him on the show and he's entertaining, and like,
Speaker 3: I think it's all for sport on some level, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure of the accuracy of the injuries injury based
Speaker 3: on the industry that he's trying to apply to us.
Speaker 3: I'd tend to write side with Greg that it's not
Speaker 3: accurate for his vanity project, which is this wrestling federation.
Speaker 3: It's gold obviously, right, but it almost kind of overshadowed
Speaker 3: everything the Jaguars were doing.
Speaker 1: It just that felt tonally.
Speaker 2: I would think maybe a little off amongst Jaguars fans,
Speaker 2: at the very least Jags fans.
Speaker 3: Let us know, I would point out that, you know,
Speaker 3: we're only a couple of years removed from Mike Rabel's
Speaker 3: teenage or twenty something year old son during the Corona
Speaker 3: Draft dressing in a full body one onesie.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: That was quite revealing and strange. And that happened on
Speaker 3: national television too, So mhmm. Was that during COVID, Yes,
Speaker 3: it was like going in COVID. Yeah, right, Maybe Maybeck's.
Speaker 1: Dog was taking picks, you know, he drafted Taekwon Thornton.
Speaker 2: I believe I have one less loser, and then I'm
Speaker 2: gonna throw to you guys for your last ones, and
Speaker 2: then we're we got to get to our sandwich props.
Speaker 2: And this this one's quite serious. We're just having a
Speaker 2: little bit of fun. But this is serious. I feel
Speaker 2: weird even saying it, because I've been, you know, a
Speaker 2: phociferous defender of this individual, which a lot of people
Speaker 2: have found ironic. But uh so it's gonna be misleading.
Speaker 2: It first or seemed that way Bill Belichick was a loser,
Speaker 2: And I don't like I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 2: like anything about it, Like because I think that you
Speaker 2: guys did this to him. And I point to everyone.
Speaker 2: You put him on a television set this weekend with
Speaker 2: a fake mel Kiper. You have him asking Adam Peters
Speaker 2: questions about his day two draft plans, like ask Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick at so what do you think.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do tomorrow? You want to tell us?
Speaker 2: You know, the exact type of inane in Sepid Burris
Speaker 2: that Belichick would dismiss in his heyday. I believe this
Speaker 2: is crass, This is beneath him. This is tragic. Theater
Speaker 2: is what it is. Is this what you meant when
Speaker 2: you said the greatest coach of all time needs to
Speaker 2: take a year off to better understand the modern game?
Speaker 1: Does this tap dancing entertain you?
Speaker 2: Because I see a legendary figure in our game debasing
Speaker 2: himself at the altar of lazy group. Think stay in
Speaker 2: the picture, they say, show a different side of yourself,
Speaker 2: smile or else. Imagine putting Vince Lombardi through these same paces.
Speaker 2: Imagine asking Bear Bryant to sing for his supper game
Speaker 2: on you.
Speaker 1: Shame on all of you.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love what you said there, but for
Speaker 3: on Saturday morning, like, I went back and watched about
Speaker 3: two and a half three hours of of that Belichick performance,
Speaker 3: and you are right that it was. It was a
Speaker 3: bit of there were a lot of antics on that set,
Speaker 3: and at times he seemed a little disembodied from it.
Speaker 3: But I thought in a in a different way, it
Speaker 3: helped Bill Belichick because he was awesome in his analysis.
Speaker 3: And I thought he looked up to Pat McAfee and
Speaker 3: gave McAfee his correct spot on that show doing it
Speaker 3: for the first time.
Speaker 1: So I I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: But like, I thought Belichick kind of shot he he
Speaker 3: shone bright. I thought he did a wonderful job in
Speaker 3: a tough setting though, because it's not it was weird
Speaker 3: to have Belichick sit there and have to like, it's
Speaker 3: not unlike, you know, a young boy in a neck.
Speaker 1: Brace with the coach two feet away.
Speaker 3: It was like he's having to deal with the like
Speaker 3: these set and best mel Kuiper parador out there on
Speaker 3: the scene so real.
Speaker 1: But are you referring to Frank Caliendo is number one? Well,
Speaker 1: I think Joey.
Speaker 3: Joey does the best mel Kuiper for my money, Like,
Speaker 3: I love Joey Mullinaro.
Speaker 1: I think his last name is but he's Oh he
Speaker 1: called his first name alone. That was pretty good.
Speaker 3: Well, he's he does all sorts of stuff, but he's
Speaker 3: he's a in a way, mel Kuiper's a winner. You're
Speaker 3: on your own network and people are like, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to do impressions of you on your own network.
Speaker 3: I thought that was kind of like mel Kiper fanboy session.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: You know, we're a show that that appreciates the lighter
Speaker 4: side of the game. We can get a little wacky.
Speaker 4: The fact that Belichick could do that. I think it's great.
Speaker 4: And look, those breakdowns were serious. Not no other broadcast
Speaker 4: is gonna let Bill Belichick just go for three and
Speaker 4: a half minutes on every prospect like I've been trained
Speaker 4: to watch these broadcasts and just TV in general. That Like,
Speaker 4: once he got through about forty five seconds to a
Speaker 4: minute of it, I was like, oh wow, this is
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: In a while.
Speaker 4: It was going on and going on, but it was cool.
Speaker 4: It's cool to hear a Belichick like he if you
Speaker 4: were dorky enough to just want to hear him dive
Speaker 4: deep on all these players, like they gave him the
Speaker 4: runway to do it. I'm sure they gave him a
Speaker 4: massive bag of cash. So I don't feel bad for him.
Speaker 4: He seemed to be having fun and there was some
Speaker 4: bad you know, let's call it for what it is.
Speaker 4: Not every editorial decision we've ever made his work, Not
Speaker 4: every bit we've ever made is great, Like the fake
Speaker 4: belt Kiper was a disastrous idea, just.
Speaker 1: Like not good, not funny.
Speaker 2: There's a song by the Who called behind blue Eyes,
Speaker 2: and I guess while everybody saw Bill tap dancing, there
Speaker 2: was I was looking behind those blue eyes and I
Speaker 2: saw a guy in his own prison that could not
Speaker 2: believe he wasn't in a war room trying to find
Speaker 2: a way to win yet another Lombardi Trophy. And I'll
Speaker 2: stand on that having fun. I'll stand on it all right, guys,
Speaker 2: what do you got before we move on?
Speaker 1: I have so much I'm gonna go. I'll stand on it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go speed round winners, speed round, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do a loser speed Round two after Mark I.
Speaker 1: Don't care singing for his supper. Cardinals hope.
Speaker 4: At seven picks in the top ninety, they're the first
Speaker 4: team since the nineteen ninety one Cowboys to have that
Speaker 4: many picks. They quietly had a really solid I would
Speaker 4: say B plus a minus considering where the picks were
Speaker 4: last year in terms of their rookie class four like
Speaker 4: real contributors. Seven picks, I don't know if they're all
Speaker 4: going to work or not, Like I'm not going to
Speaker 4: break down, like if Darius Robinson is Day one great player,
Speaker 4: but Marvin Harrison Junior adds juice and like just a
Speaker 4: lot of guys in the top three, so there's a
Speaker 4: lot of hope. I like the Packers always take guys
Speaker 4: that like don't have a lot of poppets, meat and potatoes,
Speaker 4: but they end up playing right away. Jordan Morgan's gonna
Speaker 4: play right away. Their offensive lineman, their linebacker, Edern Cooper
Speaker 4: second round probably plays right well. They had another second
Speaker 4: round pick at safety, Javon Builder, probably going to play
Speaker 4: right away.
Speaker 1: Marshall Lloyd. I liked him.
Speaker 4: He was DJ's top running back. He's a little buried
Speaker 4: at that position, but he'll play eventually. And then they
Speaker 4: make the pick of the draft. I don't know how
Speaker 4: Michael Pratt from two Lane fell this far. He changed
Speaker 4: the entire program. Maybe the greatest player in the history
Speaker 4: of the program and a legit quarterback. I will put
Speaker 4: sandwiches on it that he will outlast at least one
Speaker 4: of these first round quarterbacks in the NFL. That he's
Speaker 4: going to have like a ten year plus career. I
Speaker 4: get why he doesn't have a big arm, like maybe
Speaker 4: there was medical stuff. I'm shocked he fell to the
Speaker 4: seventh round, but at least a team that knows quarterbacks
Speaker 4: will picked him up, so that all around, I think
Speaker 4: a nice meat and potatoes draft by the Packers.
Speaker 2: I thought that's that's what they needed right Like, this
Speaker 2: is a team that's really loading up now and they're
Speaker 2: they're ready to make a real attack.
Speaker 1: In the NFC.
Speaker 2: You don't need to take big swings, just continue to
Speaker 2: build the roster in a sensible way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there running back Like their running back
Speaker 3: stable looks really interesting.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a TBD because there are
Speaker 3: open questions about this team. But you you mentioned the Cardinals,
Speaker 3: and I'm with you. They were there's a whole different
Speaker 3: feeling around them. They had eight picks at one point
Speaker 3: when the Browns had made only two. And the one
Speaker 3: thing that did pass with the ending of the seventh
Speaker 3: round is that from a draft pick angle, not a
Speaker 3: money angle, we get that, but from a draft pick angle,
Speaker 3: the Browns are free of the Deshaun Watson trade. And
Speaker 3: I give I think Andrew Berry is a winner outside
Speaker 3: of the Deshaun Watson situation, that through these seasons where
Speaker 3: they've been hamstrung without first round picks, that they've had
Speaker 3: good drafts.
Speaker 1: And I think that they took.
Speaker 3: A defensive tackle Michael Hall out of Ohio State, who's
Speaker 3: got a lot of upside. They took a guard out
Speaker 3: of Zach Zinter out of Michigan, who looks like a
Speaker 3: badass to me. But then they had no fourth round pick,
Speaker 3: and then they're picking a bunch in the sixth and
Speaker 3: seventh round, and it's like the cost comes home at
Speaker 3: some point, not only for Deshaun Watson's contract, but the
Speaker 3: fact that you're one of the You're you're one of
Speaker 3: the few teams in the league that, for seasons in
Speaker 3: a row, cannot build through the draft correctly. And I
Speaker 3: think Barry's done a good job navigating that and agency
Speaker 3: and through the draft itself. But I still wonder if
Speaker 3: this is one of the biggest mistakes an organization that
Speaker 3: has a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: On its resume has ever made.
Speaker 3: And a lot has to happen this season with that
Speaker 3: quarterback for people to feel differently about them. There's some
Speaker 3: weird stuff going on with with with the whole experience,
Speaker 3: But from a draft angle, it was it was it
Speaker 3: was it's not fun to follow a team that has
Speaker 3: nothing going on in the draft, and the reason for
Speaker 3: it isn't because of something that you can really get behind.
Speaker 4: Well, especially on a weekend where you're watching like the Steelers,
Speaker 4: I think they've added a lot of good draft picks
Speaker 4: over the like they sneak you out a great draft
Speaker 4: last year. They added two offensive linemen early too, that
Speaker 4: I happen to like higher than others. They take Peyton Wilson,
Speaker 4: this linebacker in Roman Wilson like another good mid round,
Speaker 4: and it's like you're watching the other guys in your
Speaker 4: division add quality players. Whether the Browns have been sitting
Speaker 4: it out for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Correctly, it's over. Though, here's the good news. The at
Speaker 2: least from this portion in the NFL calendar, it's over.
Speaker 2: The draft compensation is all rolled through with the Texans
Speaker 2: and Browns. Now you just have the quite messy issue
Speaker 2: of Deshaun Watson himself, who is entering year three now.
Speaker 2: And the idea was we could We're gonna able to
Speaker 2: stomach these couple of drafts of just being wiped out
Speaker 2: because we got this guy that was going to be
Speaker 2: warts and all a franchise star at quarterback, and he
Speaker 2: hasn't been. He's been an injury riddled mess, and he's
Speaker 2: been inconsistent when he's been on the field. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think where things stand right now, if things don't change,
Speaker 2: I think it becomes the worst trade of all time,
Speaker 2: and he's off to a huge head start.
Speaker 1: The Browns are in that race.
Speaker 4: All right, One more speed round here, yes, winner Drake
Speaker 4: may next five picks after him were all offense. They
Speaker 4: didn't mess around, including two receivers.
Speaker 1: Jase. I love when teams do that.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite draft tropes, team that needs needs
Speaker 2: doesn't actually do the best player available. They just say,
Speaker 2: we are only drafting one side of the ball. It's
Speaker 2: a little dunderheaded, but also I love it. It makes
Speaker 2: sense as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Drod Mayo was like, we feel pretty good about
Speaker 4: our defense. So they added receivers and they added offensive line.
Speaker 4: The Rams are just like a tougher team. They add
Speaker 4: your guy Blake Korum in terms of in the running game,
Speaker 4: and then they pair their first round pick with another
Speaker 4: Florida State kind of run stopper. So it's just like
Speaker 4: better on the run on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: Brian Flora's sneaky winner. They've really added a lot on
Speaker 4: their defense all offseason, Like he was kind of playing
Speaker 4: without really a full deck last year.
Speaker 1: Aidan O'Connell winner.
Speaker 4: Somehow they didn't draft a quarterback, and I do not
Speaker 4: believe in any world where Gardner Minshew starts seventeen games,
Speaker 4: So Aidan O'Connell will be back in our lives, wouldn't
Speaker 4: surprise Maybe plays quite about loser Saints fans who have
Speaker 4: to be worried about Marsha and Lattimore getting traded again
Speaker 4: because they drafted a cornerback high although you know it's
Speaker 4: a good pick, Coolian McKinstry. And then I thought the bear,
Speaker 4: you know bear, I mean the Bills taking Keyon Coleman
Speaker 4: with the first pick of the second round. They just
Speaker 4: have a bunch of guys who all win over the
Speaker 4: middle of the field, Like he looks like a slot receiver,
Speaker 4: and can is that, and Shakier's that, and Samuel's that,
Speaker 4: and that would be a good spot for obj Darren
Speaker 4: Waller's chances of returning. That's a loser. They drafted a
Speaker 4: tight end. It really seems like he is going to retire.
Speaker 4: And then people who drafted Devin h Chan in way
Speaker 4: too early fantasy leagues loser because they drafted yet another
Speaker 4: speed demon at running back, Jalen Wright in Miami.
Speaker 1: Drafting fantasy teams in like late April. What's this? They're crazy?
Speaker 1: These best ball leagues. I don't know. People are talking
Speaker 1: about like average draft positions. I don't know.
Speaker 4: They just can't stop doing it. I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is best ball leagues.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 2: I hope everything's okay with Darren Waller because not only
Speaker 2: has he, you know, having this moment where it looks
Speaker 2: like he's ending his NFL career, I saw a report
Speaker 2: out there that he like suddenly ended his marriage or
Speaker 2: it seems to be a lot going on with Darren Waller,
Speaker 2: guy who's had issues in his past in terms of
Speaker 2: his personal life. So it looks like the Giants are
Speaker 2: ready to move on and that was not a good
Speaker 2: trade either. All right, let's take one more break. We
Speaker 2: come back and we're gonna do some Go get my
Speaker 2: lunch recaps. Stay right there. All right, we are back.
Speaker 2: Let's close this thing up. Let's let's empty out. We
Speaker 2: had a the mods and ends. Just from the draft.
Speaker 2: There was a a fan, a super fan. I feel
Speaker 2: like there's a good chance he listens to the show.
Speaker 2: Mark if we could get his name, because our international
Speaker 2: listenership is strong. He got to announce a Panthers pick
Speaker 2: in the draft from Detroit. Let's let's listen to how
Speaker 2: we ended that.
Speaker 1: God and Talk Detroit from Germany were so one not at.
Speaker 9: First pick in a twenty twenty four NFL draft, see
Speaker 9: Carolina Panther select Chatavian sand Us tight in Texas.
Speaker 1: Keep poning. I mean, I just love that guy, love
Speaker 1: everything about him. Yeah, love him too.
Speaker 2: And I love that as a nice supplemental key pounding
Speaker 2: drop for the show going forward. I also have Brandon Graham.
Speaker 2: I love I love teams hating each other. I love
Speaker 2: like division rivals, just like talking ish because they don't
Speaker 2: they have an opportunity to and they and they don't
Speaker 2: care if it's going to be offensive. Here's Brandon Graham
Speaker 2: announcing a pick in Detroit.
Speaker 10: Hey, hey, hey gee, oh hey, yes he goes And
Speaker 10: y'all already know all day Dallas sucks all day.
Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. I like it. I always enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And Greg, you have one as well. I do.
Speaker 5: C J.
Speaker 4: Stroud uh is a revelation, incredible analysis on a like
Speaker 4: live first round reaction show for Bleacher Report was hosted
Speaker 4: by Adam Lefko, who I got a chance to meet once.
Speaker 4: Like great guy like CJ. Stroud seems like an incredible
Speaker 4: football analyst. He was breaking down like the Ricky Pierson pick,
Speaker 4: wishing why he had it and just explain all this stuff.
Speaker 4: But I especially liked when he was not afraid to
Speaker 4: confront another analyst on the desk there, which was Micah Parsons,
Speaker 4: talking about the best division in the league.
Speaker 9: Everyone's a playoff team, ANFC North was the best division
Speaker 9: in football. Washington was argued that Washington wasn't nothing, But
Speaker 9: what are you talking about? That meant the Giants Giants either,
Speaker 9: what are you talking about They lost to the Eagles.
Speaker 1: That's two years ago.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I'm saying going into it, Sam, you don't
Speaker 9: know what you're talking about. Going into last year, no
Speaker 9: one up planning except for Michael Parsons thought the NFC
Speaker 9: East was better than the ANFC North. You can't argue that.
Speaker 1: I can bro oh, I love it.
Speaker 4: And that was just like a snippet that went on
Speaker 4: for about a minute forty five and he just filayed him.
Speaker 4: And in Parsons defense, he was talking about like going
Speaker 4: into last season, but he was he was off base
Speaker 4: and that was on point.
Speaker 1: With all this stuff.
Speaker 4: You can tell how much that that guy knows ball
Speaker 4: and loves ball.
Speaker 3: Well, also thing also what I love about him is
Speaker 3: he Michael Parsons is an incredible player, but there was
Speaker 3: like absolutely zero willingness to play ball with his comments.
Speaker 3: And it's like Stroud reminds me of like my son
Speaker 3: Calton is like a huge soccer fan and a soccer player.
Speaker 3: And if you if you bring the wrong take or
Speaker 3: mention the wrong players, just like no dismissed. You're wrong,
Speaker 3: You're completely wrong, and it's just like I love it.
Speaker 3: So I totally think he was on point and like
Speaker 3: big loser the C two tests that a year ago,
Speaker 3: we're telling us that, you know, CJ. Stroud didn't have
Speaker 3: the acumen or the wherewith all to lead an NFL team.
Speaker 1: It's like seculator test. Well you it should be.
Speaker 2: Note I haven't heard much at all about that in
Speaker 2: this draft process so.
Speaker 4: Much a change to the C two test. It was
Speaker 4: the S two test. I believe, well S two I
Speaker 4: can't even remember, but you're right.
Speaker 1: I would come up one time this year. It's dead.
Speaker 1: It's dead. They took a dirt.
Speaker 2: Nap while we're on sun Corner here before we started recording.
Speaker 2: Today we have the Royals, the Double A Royals that
Speaker 2: my son plays on. I'm one of the coaches on
Speaker 2: the team and we were a little shorthanded getting warmed up,
Speaker 2: so I jogged over there. It's only a block away
Speaker 2: from the house, and thank you guys for bearing with
Speaker 2: me during that. So I got the team ready for
Speaker 2: the game, and then my son Harrison was starting on
Speaker 2: the mound, so I was like, all right, I gotta watch.
Speaker 2: I gotta watch the first half inning. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know where he gets it. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: where he gets like this maniacal competitive streak in him.
Speaker 2: But he struck out the side for starters, So good
Speaker 2: job by you, Harry in a big spot. But also
Speaker 2: the other team that we were playing, the Expos, who
Speaker 2: somehow the Expos are in this league, They're.
Speaker 1: Not the Nationals. The team was chanting.
Speaker 2: They were doing a chant from the imposing dugout that
Speaker 2: went Pitcher, Pitcher, look at me, I'm a monkey in
Speaker 2: a tree. And I kept on seeing Harrison kind of
Speaker 2: his eyes darting over. He didn't like that they were
Speaker 2: making doing that chant. And after he struck out the
Speaker 2: third batter, this is a memory that will stay with
Speaker 2: me forever. He walks off the mound, just staring at
Speaker 2: the dugout as the opposing team to the point where
Speaker 2: he starts just backpedaling back towards our dugout, staring at
Speaker 2: them at the striking out the side, no smile, dead
Speaker 2: eyed like like Max Scherzer like. It was an incredible
Speaker 2: moment that showed that he might be as nuts as
Speaker 2: his dad, and I love him for it. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Harry, my co coach, Jeff Grundel, and the rest
Speaker 2: of the staff. We are We've been fighting through it
Speaker 2: this year, but that was a nice moment. You shut
Speaker 2: that other team up. That's what I like.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's like a young Albert Bell in the making.
Speaker 3: That would be wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Bell. I'm a big celebrations guy. You know.
Speaker 4: I'm always loving the celebrations and it is fun. And
Speaker 4: I feel like Walker played his basketball game today. And
Speaker 4: there is a fine line of like when do you
Speaker 4: get too old to be Because if they hit like
Speaker 4: a couple of shots early, like some of the players
Speaker 4: you know in the eight ten ages, like oh, they're
Speaker 4: going to show the other team up. They're gonna do
Speaker 4: a little they're gonna do some celebration. They're gonna do
Speaker 4: some dancing. At some point that the other team is going.
Speaker 4: You know that other team might come come charge Jack,
Speaker 4: who knows at some point like you have to maybe
Speaker 4: die right back. But it's fun to watch little kids
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 2: I would not I would not pick against Jack, even
Speaker 2: if nine kids ran at him. If if he is
Speaker 2: fired up, he's got a he's got a wonderful temper
Speaker 2: on him. It's the one thing a difference between when
Speaker 2: we were eight, nine, ten and kids now they all
Speaker 2: know how to dance, right because they all like play
Speaker 2: Fortnite and stuff, and they have like they're all like
Speaker 2: Fred Astaire.
Speaker 1: Now, it's absurd.
Speaker 2: So I can imagine, especially in basketball, if you hit
Speaker 2: it an eighteen footer and you're ten, you're going to
Speaker 2: be doing something you completely elaborate. All right, doll, we
Speaker 2: turn our attention to the annual game of Chance Skill.
Speaker 1: Go get my lunch.
Speaker 2: Nothing, pitcher, Pitcher, Look at me, I'm a monkey in
Speaker 2: a tree.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable. All right.
Speaker 2: This year we had some success, but as usual, not
Speaker 2: a not a ton overall. Let's start with Mark Sessler. Mark,
Speaker 2: you did not hit on a prop this year. Let's
Speaker 2: go through them. Eagles select Jeremiah Trotter Junior. And this
Speaker 2: is I feel like Mark, we tried to warn you
Speaker 2: on this, like they don't have to make it two parts.
Speaker 2: We can't give you credit for having half. This is
Speaker 2: not horseshoes, this is not hand grenades. Because you also
Speaker 2: added and the chargers select Blake Korum, who did go
Speaker 2: to Sofi Stadium but to the Rams.
Speaker 1: Well I did.
Speaker 3: I did, Like you know, I went in knowing this
Speaker 3: is hyper specific and that I would pay the price.
Speaker 3: I still felt I'm not saying it from a sandwich angle,
Speaker 3: but when Trotter went to the Eagle, I felt good
Speaker 3: about that because it was it came from instinct and
Speaker 3: also a little bit of, you know, listening to some whispers.
Speaker 1: So there you go. You deserve to be happy with yourself.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 2: You've done it two years in a row, Porter, last
Speaker 2: year Trotter. It's a thing, especially in like day three
Speaker 2: when teams are if they're kind of stuck between son
Speaker 2: of Franchise Legend and Joe Blow, they're probably gonna take
Speaker 2: the Legends, just smart thinking you just went too hard,
Speaker 2: you went too specific, But you know, maybe next year.
Speaker 4: You didn't know Sean McVay was gonna sweep in and
Speaker 4: annoyed Jim Harbor and annoy Kirien Williams's fantasy owners.
Speaker 2: Next year, the Cowboys select a quarterback within the first
Speaker 2: two rounds.
Speaker 1: This was saucy. We took you on it.
Speaker 2: They ended up taking what I believe a tackle and
Speaker 2: a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Was it. Yeah? Did they take a quarterback period? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't believe so.
Speaker 4: I was kind of hoping they would be a spot
Speaker 4: for my guy Pratt in the later rounds.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen. You know, they got Trail their quarterback
Speaker 1: of the future. Oh my goodness. Let's see.
Speaker 2: They took Geiton the tackle out of Oklahoma, kneel in
Speaker 2: the edge, Cooper bbe guard.
Speaker 1: They did not take a quarterback. They didn't take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: All right, up next White a third one.
Speaker 10: There.
Speaker 2: I believe a major non sports related news story takes
Speaker 2: quote wholesale precedence close quote over the draft. There is
Speaker 2: a lot of There are a lot of important issues
Speaker 2: going on in the world right now, a lot of
Speaker 2: troubling stories out there. I believe the Republican presidential nominee
Speaker 2: is currently on trial, for instance, there's just stuff going on.
Speaker 2: But no, nothing seemed to pop up over the last
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 3: No, I think I might retire that personal flavor of
Speaker 3: like major news story overtakes what we're attempting to do
Speaker 3: with our work, because it doesn't seem to ever occur.
Speaker 4: It's gonna have one of these one of these years,
Speaker 4: and then you'll be you'll be sad you didn't.
Speaker 1: All right, Greg, So you went over three Greg four
Speaker 1: nine overall, according to go get my Lunch dot org. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with all the takes and non takes.
Speaker 2: Uh, you'd say Patriots select Drake May was this did
Speaker 2: you do this on Monday?
Speaker 1: Or is this an older one? We did it on Monday?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, No, but I mean this one I don't
Speaker 2: remember this. Oh yeah, that's you said you're gonna go
Speaker 2: straightforward with it. That was very chalky. In fact, only
Speaker 2: Mark took you on it. I did not take you.
Speaker 2: So you make one saying.
Speaker 4: Throughout the process he was plus money, like less than
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty to go. Third, people just thought, I
Speaker 4: don't know what they thought like that exactly to the Patriots,
Speaker 4: even as late as Monday. It's funny that that by
Speaker 4: the time we got to Wednesday. Then it was totally expected.
Speaker 3: Why did I take you on that one in my
Speaker 3: own mock draft, which I, you know, in theory, believed
Speaker 3: and had him going to the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Absurd. Yeah, that was a tough one. That's a bad beat.
Speaker 2: Also a bad beat the owner of the Cowboys letting
Speaker 2: every team in the league know, you better go get
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks because we're in love with him and we're
Speaker 2: going to take him in the second round to the draft.
Speaker 2: So the Cowboys select Jonathan Brooks with pick number fifty six.
Speaker 2: He went about ten picks before when the Panthers traded up.
Speaker 2: Your thinking was very sound to Greg. In fact, Jera's
Speaker 2: speech monologue, while misguided, makes you look good because it
Speaker 2: tells you that that's exactly what they're thinking. However, it
Speaker 2: costs you sangwiches and a big spot two sandwiches down.
Speaker 1: I think only.
Speaker 4: Two running backs got taken in the first three rounds,
Speaker 4: like that was Brooks mid two, Trey Benson went early three,
Speaker 4: and that was it to the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: And this one, Mark, We're gonna have to kind of
Speaker 2: just dissect this one a little bit because there's elements
Speaker 2: of it that are straightforward and we're all having fun.
Speaker 1: It's just a game.
Speaker 2: And then there's some more troubling aspects to this jers
Speaker 2: on Johnny Newton is selected within the first thirty one picks.
Speaker 2: That was a sandwich prop that Greg put out there.
Speaker 2: He really loved this defender, and Dan and Mark took
Speaker 2: him on it, and we were kind of caught off
Speaker 2: guard by.
Speaker 1: The Newton prediction.
Speaker 2: And here was an explanation from Ian Rappaport on Friday,
Speaker 2: why Newton fell out of the first round. Let's start here,
Speaker 2: which cost Greg the sandwiches.
Speaker 7: Johnny Newton considered by many to be a first round talent.
Speaker 1: So that does a guy like that follow the second round?
Speaker 7: Still dealing with the effects of a Joneses fracture at
Speaker 7: surgery in January.
Speaker 2: He's got any medical red flags? Got any off the
Speaker 2: field issues?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, Well wait a minute, though we talked, you
Speaker 3: mentioned the Jones fracture. You and I dug in on
Speaker 3: our laptops after we didn't remember we wanted to go
Speaker 3: do our own homework. I was after after that, and uh,
Speaker 3: what is the suggestion that we take this off the board?
Speaker 1: Maybe a plane fast and loose.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is, first of all, it
Speaker 2: was a rain maker too, So you're costing people money
Speaker 2: and you're you're costing Susie braces. But you also threw
Speaker 2: out that prop and when we asked you if there
Speaker 2: were any medical red flags, you told us no. So
Speaker 2: you've fed us erroneous information. But I just want to say, like,
Speaker 2: that's that's a little bit dirty pool on top of
Speaker 2: everything else.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I fed you erroneous information that hurt me.
Speaker 4: I made it more likely that you wouldn't take it
Speaker 4: what I clearly was operating from a position of ignorance
Speaker 4: about his foot injury, or else I wouldn't have done
Speaker 4: the thing in the first place. I mean, you're you're
Speaker 4: correct to point out I was an idiot, but I
Speaker 4: was not being a devious idiot. I made I put
Speaker 4: myself in You think I would have gotten I think
Speaker 4: I would have gone that pick. I just watched the
Speaker 4: tape and I was like, this guy's a top ten pick.
Speaker 2: When Mark and I are trying to decide whether to
Speaker 2: take you on the idea of him going top thirty one, yeah,
Speaker 2: if he does have a red flag medically, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: gonna make Mark and I more confident that will take
Speaker 2: you on the wager. Yeah, so it did take him
Speaker 2: on it you almost only after Mark and I did
Speaker 2: some research on the fly. But if we would have
Speaker 2: as I typically do with what you say, Greg, by
Speaker 2: your word, we would have been caught sandwiches and we
Speaker 2: would have been misled. And I think there's something else
Speaker 2: going on here, potentially.
Speaker 3: The worst aspect to it is then you have to
Speaker 3: start to you know, dial back through time this in fact,
Speaker 3: this very episode, and wonder what Greg has said about anything.
Speaker 3: It's like, do we have to go do our own
Speaker 3: research on when he picks a winner or a loser?
Speaker 3: We have to, we should, but to go, you know,
Speaker 3: check those facts too, Greg.
Speaker 2: So it's a troubling this is Heiser SoSE stuff going
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I own up to my mistakes. This was
Speaker 1: a space.
Speaker 4: I think I knew that at some point and somehow
Speaker 4: it was totally gone. I would not have put h
Speaker 4: you know, little Ali in uh Worcestershire, in England's Christmas
Speaker 4: gift on the line if I had known about that necessarily.
Speaker 4: But I still can't believe it. And in history's gonna
Speaker 4: prove me right. All the NFL teams are wrong. Johnny
Speaker 4: Newton's gonna have.
Speaker 1: A great career. How did you let this guy go?
Speaker 2: You finished six and six winnu factor in all the
Speaker 2: sanguages with one right. Finally, I almost had one of
Speaker 2: the all time sandwich weekends. Let's start with almost first
Speaker 2: round selection under I said, I thought it would be
Speaker 2: QBQBQB wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver tackle. It ended
Speaker 2: up being QBQBQB wide receiver tackle, wide receiver tackle. So
Speaker 2: was Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: And then Chargers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one off not trading out of the pick, and
Speaker 2: then a team or not picking a wide receiver, or
Speaker 2: team trade again and taking a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That ultimately cost me.
Speaker 2: So I got six out of seven, but I had
Speaker 2: to get them all, so I cost me two sangwiches.
Speaker 1: I had the Chiefs trade up for a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: They did, They indeed did do that and took an
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy and that trade. In my mind I kind
Speaker 2: of saw I saw them moving up to you know,
Speaker 2: the middle of the first round, or even getting really
Speaker 2: bold and moving up into the top ten. But they
Speaker 2: only moved up a few spots. But it was within
Speaker 2: the realm of the wager and they went and they
Speaker 2: got their man. So I got two Sangwiches there. A
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl player Slash All Pro Slash All PFF team
Speaker 2: player is traded prior to midnight Friday, April twenty sixth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. You know that the San Francisco forty
Speaker 2: nine ers stuff was very interesting, but I also I
Speaker 2: should have kept it open for the entire draft process.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have mattered anyway, but nothing was done by
Speaker 2: the end of Night one, so I lost two Sangwiches.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of our Thursday podcast when
Speaker 2: we recapped Night one, I actually or excuse me, I
Speaker 2: had one extra one Detroit Drafts a player present at
Speaker 2: the draft. I said, there's no way, given the amount
Speaker 2: of people that were going to be there, the celebration
Speaker 2: that the Lions were going to, you know, throw it
Speaker 2: to someone's living room in Central Arkansas. And I was
Speaker 2: proven absolutely correct because they made who they picking that Arrian, Arnold,
Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold and he walked and the Lions fans
Speaker 2: went mad and we had a great moment for everyone there,
Speaker 2: and I got two Sanguiges there.
Speaker 3: That is an example of you know, people can pick
Speaker 3: apart what we get right or wrong here there, But
Speaker 3: that is an example of you having a hand on
Speaker 3: the pulse of not only the league, but how show
Speaker 3: business works and how you So this was the biggest
Speaker 3: crowd ever, live live crowd ever. Detroit can can own that,
Speaker 3: and there's no way you disappoint the biggest crowd ever.
Speaker 3: And you were absolutely correct about that in a well
Speaker 3: done that was.
Speaker 1: That was pretty savvy.
Speaker 4: And they needed a little luck for Arnold to drop down.
Speaker 4: I guess they could have taken Darius Robinson. My guess
Speaker 4: is by the time they and they traded up for
Speaker 4: that pick, I think there were only two players left
Speaker 4: him and Darius Robinson. But maybe maybe they just would
Speaker 4: have just for showman's sake, taken Robinson. No matter what,
Speaker 4: that that is an impressive two pack of ones you
Speaker 4: got right there, Dan, you are I went nine and four.
Speaker 1: You are the winner. I went the winner.
Speaker 4: You could have helped you out. There was one trade.
Speaker 4: Trades kind of were the loser. We talked so much about, yeah,
Speaker 4: trades leading up to the draft, and nothing happened. But
Speaker 4: your your Jets traded Jonathan Franklin Myers to the Broncos, Right,
Speaker 4: future six. So that was the only veteran trade I
Speaker 4: can think of.
Speaker 2: And Nick fourtier does awesome work on go get my
Speaker 2: Lunch dot org, which is a living document of the
Speaker 2: his three of this podcast in many ways has changed
Speaker 2: some of the layout to the all time standings and
Speaker 2: clarified it a bit. And I don't know if this
Speaker 2: standings are updated the all time standings, Greg, but I
Speaker 2: am now five games clear of you on the win column. Uh,
Speaker 2: two thirty five and two oh five all time fifty
Speaker 2: three point four one percent, your second fifty two point
Speaker 2: fifty five to one percent two thirty and two oh
Speaker 2: eight wes. Uh, And we miss Wes always, especially uh
Speaker 2: weekends like this.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He finished one sixty three and one fifty five, so
Speaker 2: he finished fifty one point twenty six percent. And Mark,
Speaker 2: you are at one ninety six and two twenty five.
Speaker 2: You're sitting at forty six point five six percent.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, but I I think if we were
Speaker 3: to track why that's happening to me on some level,
Speaker 3: I always have to parse this, but I never took
Speaker 3: anyone on sandwiches early on in this and that's what
Speaker 3: that's bad strategy. That's on me and then some of
Speaker 3: mine are just, uh, you know you're shooting for the moon.
Speaker 1: Well, in this particular addition, you came in last.
Speaker 3: I think I've almost regularly come in last. And I
Speaker 3: think you'd have to question my overall team building and strategy.
Speaker 3: I'm not above that, and I'll just do this will
Speaker 3: be a nice roll call as we wrap up another
Speaker 3: season in a lot of ways of around the NFL
Speaker 3: that here are the guest pickers through the years. There
Speaker 3: by the way, Eric Roberts, who's correct, he's three and
Speaker 3: oh and etp and he doesn't want to pick because
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to mess with his perfect record.
Speaker 2: But he's not the only perfect record. Lakeisha Westling, the wonderful,
Speaker 2: beautiful Lakeisha, wife of Chris five.
Speaker 1: And oh all time? Did anybody know five in a lifetime?
Speaker 2: Here are the other names who have made sandwich props
Speaker 2: through the years, and people that go back all the
Speaker 2: way to twenty thirteen with us know all these names,
Speaker 2: Lakeisha Robins, Cynthia Freeland, Patra the Irishman, Connie Fox and
Speaker 2: even twenty five and twenty five all time the sandwich
Speaker 2: props Connor or Handsome Hank Kyle Brandt.
Speaker 1: Is three and three in the Sandwich Props.
Speaker 2: Claybahn td our original producer, Erica Tamposi, The gold Standard,
Speaker 2: Ali Purry's Own one Lifetime, Kevin Danger Hans This my Brother,
Speaker 2: Owen one lifetime, Spice, rack Zi Drizzle, Zach Dressler, I
Speaker 2: love Zach, the if you Know you Know, Brave Digger
Speaker 2: went Owen seven and Sidney Carlson the great iconic lassid
Speaker 2: oh and nine lifetime. We might have to get her
Speaker 2: out of Utah just to get one right, to get
Speaker 2: her out off the schne.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh and seven is in nine is somehow
Speaker 4: better than one in thirteen from the gold standard. One
Speaker 4: in thirteen is just a preposterous record. I had lunch
Speaker 4: with the gold Standard recently. Good guy, good buddy.
Speaker 1: Love that dude too.
Speaker 2: We've been very lucky to work with great people, Speaking
Speaker 2: of which you might have heard or read that Andrew
Speaker 2: Siciliano is no longer with NFL Media, which is a
Speaker 2: major loss for the company and whatever comes next for
Speaker 2: Andrew that company gets better. While our company didn't shout
Speaker 2: out to Andrew and hope to see him and Hermosa
Speaker 2: Beach in the near future. James Palmer also who's been
Speaker 2: on the show, and we he'll no longer be with
Speaker 2: the company, and bigger and brighter things ahead for him
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: It's been a long year.
Speaker 2: It's been at times a difficult year for NFL media,
Speaker 2: but those are two names we wanted to mention on
Speaker 2: the show because they were obviously huge contributors to what
Speaker 2: we did.
Speaker 3: I think also, like you're any fan out there has
Speaker 3: logged hours watching both of those gentlemen and Andrew on
Speaker 3: you know, every type of football show there is, all
Speaker 3: season long, and a lot of times you're wondering, like,
Speaker 3: who are these media people?
Speaker 1: Are they good people behind the scenes?
Speaker 3: So are they quality people or is it just all
Speaker 3: you know, the way the negative stories you hear, It's like, no,
Speaker 3: these Andrew Siciliano is one of the kindest, nicest people
Speaker 3: that's ever walked through our newsroom and literally knows everyone's name,
Speaker 3: talk to everyone, like, treats everyone equal. And James Palmer,
Speaker 3: who was often not in our newsroom, but whenever you'd
Speaker 3: see him at events, like the same goes for him,
Speaker 3: and it's like you're losing not just incredible professionals, but
Speaker 3: high quality people and they're not You can't just replace
Speaker 3: these people, you don't replace them, they're just they're not there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've watched a lot of NFL Network over the years.
Speaker 4: Rich Eisen obviously had the massive lead of just like
Speaker 4: hours logged on NFL Network for a decade. I bet
Speaker 4: Andrew passed them at some point. That Andrew Sicilliano has
Speaker 4: literally been on our air more than any person, I
Speaker 4: would guess. Ever, part of it is because of the
Speaker 4: name of our show. Remember we change from Around the
Speaker 4: League to Around the NFL to synchronize with the show
Speaker 4: that that Andrew is hosting Around the NFL, which which
Speaker 4: lasts a year or two, and then they kind of
Speaker 4: change the name to NFL Now. As it happens, we
Speaker 4: got our name. And he was so welcoming on that,
Speaker 4: and I told him this, and it's true, Like there's
Speaker 4: no one I respected more at the entire company in
Speaker 4: terms of the way he does his job and what
Speaker 4: a good job he does. And you heard that echoed
Speaker 4: from so many people. It's just an awesome host, just
Speaker 4: an awesome guy.
Speaker 2: All Right, Okay, so we'll be back Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 2: It's our Around the AFC and Around the NFC specials,
Speaker 2: and we'll hit obviously on every team, and where they
Speaker 2: look and how they stand as they come out of
Speaker 2: free agencies, and now they've come out of the draft,
Speaker 2: and they head into the off season and the programs.
Speaker 1: Then the wheel earns and turns and turns. Thank you
Speaker 1: everybody for listening. He's the call.