1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast will be prepared for the 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Robin Invasion. Welcome back to another edition of the Around 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansens and I 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: am joined to buy a room filled with some heroes, 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and Greg Rosa All. What up boys? What's up? 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Special day? Special podcast. We didn't even know we were 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: going to do a podcast until what about an hour 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: or two ago, But we we'll get a little quick 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving previewing. It's like in the eighties where the sitcoms 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: had the very special episode of Different Strokes or whatever. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: This one will deal with less sensitive topics. No bike 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: keep bike owner in a local one shop. No one's 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to decide whether they keep the baby or not. Yeah, well, 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: nod podcast. Dudley involved in this one, Dudley a lot 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: of podcasts, you know who is involved? The great gold standard? 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Behind the Glass? What's up, buddy? Not too much? How 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: you fellas doing? I like to call I'm doing well. 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to call this a zach attack behind the glass. 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: You know a little were you were you too young 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: for say, by the by the way, no, no, it's 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: a formative part of my early life. Oh, good. So 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: you enjoyed the song Friends Forever by this actect in 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: fact number one around the world. I think I have 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: her right here. That's a saucy number that's underrated as 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: a song, but the actual structure of it and a melody, Yeah, 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: it's it's catchy. I would play that on repeat in 27 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: my house. Are you on acid right now? Mark? I'm 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: just saying I thought, I think it's swatted down immediately 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: as a product when it's stronger than you think. All right, 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: very good. Much like Emmy Lou Harris songs, is West 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: contended on on Sunday Spot West By the way, you 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: haven't heard him yet. You didn't hear him say hide 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Iron at the top of the show. It's because West 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: is on his off day and he's got stuff to do. 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: West actually because he's such a pro. What did he 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: say to you, Greg when you checked in his availability. 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: He was in a game rewind groove. You know, he 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to jump out of that little groove and 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: that Greig falling for that hook line and Sinker believe 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: that that's actually happening right now. That's why he's uh, 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: that's why he's the scientist, and uh, I have to 42 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: commend you, guys. I listened to the podcast the other night, 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: and as usual, when I'm not involved, I think the 44 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: podcasts get better. I'm I'm a self hater, and it 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: just it was a very enjoyable I really would and 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, it's something I would listen 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: to in the world. We got a sweet from someone 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: saying that it was that it was not even nearly 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: as good without Craig. That was Greg, Now, yeah, that 50 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: was my dummy account. Uh yeah, No, we missed you 51 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: on Sunday and we we we went on without the Boss, 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: but we were glad to have you back. And and 53 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: Thursday show or Friday show. When will our next show 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: go up? We're gonna do another show on when on Wednesday. 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: It's gonna go Wednesday night pre in the entire week, 56 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: so well, yeah, you're gonna get this show or we're 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: just gonna break down what happened Monday night with two 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: games of course on Monday, and then going through the 59 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: three big Thursday games on Thanksgiving, a lot of great 60 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: football to be played on Thursday, and then our third 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: show the week will be all Sunday and Monday night 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: football looking at those games. So a lot of fun, 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to get to. So let's do 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: what we gotta do. We'll start with Monday Night Football, 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: actually two games on Monday, of course, because of that 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: big storm in western New York forced the game to 67 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: be moved. But why don't we start with the big, 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: more exciting or more fun game to watch that occurred 69 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: in the Superdome where the New Orleans Saints had lost 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: two in a row in their own building and they 71 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: have the Baltimore Ravens coming in. No way the Saints 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: can lose three in a row at the Superdome, right, Well, Ken, 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: that's the true story here, because the Ravens get a 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: monster day out of Justin force Set who runs for 75 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: eighty two yards and two scores, Big Drew Brees pick six, 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: and there you have at thirty the Ravens win. They 77 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: stay in the mix in the a f C North, 78 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: right in the middle of the pack. Right. Uh, it's 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: there for the taking for Baltimore and then for the Saints. 80 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what can you say? They are now four 81 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: and seven because because of the division is so bad, 82 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: the NFC South there in first place, still tied with 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. But let's just start here, and and Greg, 84 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: I'll open up with you because you got a hero 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: pick on this game. You thought the Ravens were gonna 86 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: take care of business against the Saints. You were there. 87 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: You were smart to do it because we were too 88 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: slow getting out on New Orleans. They are a bad 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: team right now. Their defensive disaster. I mean, Rob Ryan, 90 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: everywhere he goes, it seems like the first year there's 91 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: a nice sort of honeymoon here. He's like the Terrell 92 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Owens of coaches, you know what I mean. It's like 93 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,119 Speaker 1: everything's great for the first year, and then the second 94 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: year it all falls apart, and they're just they play 95 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: like Rob Ryan. They're over aggressive, and they over pursue 96 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: their linebackers, and they had no answer for Justin for set. 97 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: Every time there was misdirection and play action, it was 98 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: like the whole Saints defense went one way and the 99 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: Ravens running game went the other. And this is we 100 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: after week. They really had a very similar game plan 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: than to the Bengals who won in New Orleans just 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the week before. It seems like teams that play the 103 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: Saints are in for three or four days of gushing 104 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: praise afterwards. Because no, they really they make opposing running 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: games number one, look dynamite, Justin for Sett has had 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: a very good Season's absolutely, I mean, but but it 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: helps to go play a running defense like this. If 108 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: I knew that Baltimore was going to give up the 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: most yards it had since five yards, I would have 110 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: thought that we were gonna get this right by picking 111 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: the Saints. Yeah, and Drew Brees. You look at his numbers, 112 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, Breeze is playing like the Breeze we 113 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: know and love. Thirty five or forty five. Those are 114 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: four twenty Yeah, man, with three touchdowns and an interception. 115 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: But Breeze was not able to uh make the biggest 116 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: play of the game when he threw the pick six 117 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: it was intended for Jimmy Graham was picked off running 118 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: for the running for the score. And what was that 119 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: Will Hill that had it? Yeah, And when that happened, 120 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: really to me, the game felt over. At that point. 121 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: The Saints seemed to be uh in a hole where 122 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: they weren't going to get out, and they didn't. I mean, Breeze, 123 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: they can't. They can't afford for him to be slipping 124 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: up as he's done all season. Well, it was such 125 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: a perfect encapsulation of their season because I really don't 126 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: feel like Drew Brees is playing that bad, but every 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: mistake he makes, he just pays for it. Like that 128 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: that throw was a yard and a half off and late, 129 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: and it was because pressure came out and he shouldn't 130 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: have thrown it, and it was like, if he makes 131 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: one of those bad throws, it's just one of those 132 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: seasons where it's coming back for a touchdown. Well, and 133 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: let's give a little credit to Ozzy k Newsom because 134 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: that ANFC North Baltimore is right in the mix. I 135 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: think they maybe I still we talked, we talked about 136 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: was the most complete team, and we flipped that they're 137 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: the best team. That's part that's why I picked him. 138 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: I think they're the best team in this division. Spurg 139 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: a couple of times they've been swept by Cincinnati. I 140 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: hasn't shown up for me in big games. It hasn't 141 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: shown up. But I do think just offense, defense, running 142 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: game path the game that they're the most completely. When 143 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: they went out, they got Will Hill on defense, which 144 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: was a player the Giants gave up on for good 145 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: reason when they did. But then you know, four set. 146 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: They've he's they've gone out and they've they've had to 147 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: reshape some positions and done a nice job with it. 148 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: How about the a f C North ten one and 149 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: one against the NFC South. That's why that South is 150 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: sucking the joint up so much they cannot beat the 151 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: f C. Well, that those two divisions have a symbiotic relationship. 152 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: That's why you see I mean, you see those great 153 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: records in the NFC North because they're all three and o, 154 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: four and oh against the NFC South. And you know 155 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: we I I floated the idea downstairs before the show 156 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: of forking the Saints and just why don't we just 157 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: fork the entire NFC South the other three? Yeah, we 158 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: already forked the other three teams. He said, they have 159 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: no chance of winning the division. I mean, someone's gonna 160 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: win this division. And I I you know, I've been 161 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: getting killed picking the Saints at various points of this season. Uh, 162 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: are they going to win the division or some one 163 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: of these dud teams actually gonna steal this thing and 164 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: go into the playoffs with six or sevens could still 165 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: win this division share half a game? I mean, I 166 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: think I think the Saints will win it. And I 167 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: do think there's a really good chance that four and 168 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: eight is leading the division next week because New Orleans 169 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: is going to Pittsburgh. Carolina is going to Minnesota this week, 170 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: but that's not too hard. Atlanta has a tough game 171 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: as well this week, and I think who is it against? 172 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: You remember Atlanta and very tough game at home in 173 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta after the Pittsburgh game. New Orleans has Caroline at 174 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: home at Chicago, Atlanta at home at Tampa Bay. They 175 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: just need to take care of those home games in 176 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: the division. I could actually see them winning four straight 177 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: to finish the season, go eight and eight, because those 178 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: are lousy teams and they've mostly lost these games to 179 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: quality opponents. They they've shown they can't beat good teams. 180 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: But I do think they win maybe three or four 181 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: of those games, win seven games, win the division. I 182 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: like with Dan suggested this morning on NFL Now that 183 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: the six and ten Saints win the division, hosts the 184 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: Seahawks and beat him in the playoffs, just like they 185 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: did a couple of years ago. In reverse. I have 186 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: a bit of a sessler that we watched two playoff 187 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: teams in this game, and you know what, I can 188 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: totally see the Saints getting a little hot and knocking 189 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,359 Speaker 1: off a team in the playoffs and then getting absolutely 190 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: whooped in Green Bay or something like that. So you know, 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: these are two pretenders that we were watching in this game, 192 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: but you know the Saints aren't. Don't mark them off 193 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: like they're not gonna win another game. Still probably get 194 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: it together. It's too much talent there. It's weird though, 195 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: because we can talk about them with all this hope, 196 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: but if they're in any one of the other seven divisions, 197 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: they are absolutely the number one biggest disappointment in the league. 198 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: There's no a team that's been a bigger disappointment. And 199 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: by the way, mark one last point in the a 200 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: f C North. I I'm coming around on your thinking 201 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: that I think the Browns, if they're gonna finally get 202 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: back to the playoffs, they're gonna need eleven wins because 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens gonna win eleven and I think 204 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: the Bengals are gonna go ten five and one, and 205 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna put the Browns in a tough spot if 206 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: they go tennis three teams from that division make the playoffs, 207 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: I think. All right, moving on to the second game. 208 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: It was really the first game that was played. This 209 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: was a game. It was a game the football count. 210 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: It was a game. The New York Jets u played 211 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: a game because the Buffalo Bills were snowed under in 212 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: western New York. They moved with the game to Detroit. 213 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: As we know you would think of the Jets would 214 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: be at the advantage they got to practice all week 215 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: and under a bubble in New Jersey. Didn't work out 216 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: that way. This was an absolute disaster, a thirty eight 217 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: to three win for the Bills in a game that 218 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: was never never really close. I mean it was, it 219 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: was tight at the end of the first half, but 220 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: this was a game where the Jets looked overmatched. Um 221 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: from the start. Michael Vick had one of the worst 222 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: games of his career. He got bench in the third 223 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: quarter for Geno Smith. Uh And this to me that 224 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: when I think about this game, and I think a 225 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: lot of us, you don't have to be a football 226 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: genius to know that or a football baby to know that. 227 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan's job was pretty much over with the Jets 228 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: after the season after this, after you see the team 229 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: essentially look like they quit on him in this game. 230 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: You could start the clock right now because the countdown 231 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: is on and Rex is gone New Year's Day or 232 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: January two. I watched this game with Dan last night, 233 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: and we all we all know that Dan grew up 234 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: your dad and your your grandfather too. I assume Jets 235 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: fans through the years the hands his family and his 236 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: great grandfather founded. That's right, they've since al Right, okay, 237 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Like I would say, though, we we 238 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: kind of tried to piece it together what fan bases 239 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: have been through a longer, more brutal existence. There's not 240 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: only one or two that you could say in front 241 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: of the Jets and Greg's shaking his head, but but really, 242 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: outside of a few playoff appearances that were ill faded 243 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: in recent years, it's been long streaks of nothingness and 244 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: a lot of fan bases that feel that everyone thinks 245 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: they have the most pain but Cardinals. But then break 246 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: it down, but there's actual proof against Brown. Cardinals been 247 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl, Jets have been around. Just because 248 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: the Jets only made one game short. I mean, the 249 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: thing is last night, having to watch the game with Dan, 250 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you know, you're at the end of 251 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: another era with Rex Ryan out the door here. It 252 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: didn't work. This was six years that essentially it was nothingness. 253 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: And you know, I had some fun early a little bit. 254 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: But you know, when you lose in the n f 255 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: C title game twice, it's a lot of agony too 256 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: when you lose those games. But I really think ultimately 257 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: this is a situation where Rex is gone. I really, 258 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, I wish well for the man as a 259 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: human being, but I really hope is Zick is also 260 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: out of a job here. And you know, they Geno Smith, 261 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: they got to move on from him entirely, and Michael 262 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: Vick is nothing more than a backup at this stage 263 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: of his career. They need to hit on three big 264 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: things quarterback GM coach and it's one of the biggest 265 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: off seasons in recent memory for this franchise. But you know, 266 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: let's move to the team that's actually in the content 267 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: contention in this game, the Bills. And I don't know 268 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: how much Mark you were. You were scared watching the 269 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: Bills because you you know, the the Brownies have a 270 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: big matchup in Orchard Park next week. But I don't 271 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: know how much to take out of this game for 272 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: the Bills. I know they have skill, they can get 273 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: to the quarterback, they can make some plays. Kyle Orton 274 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: has been good enough to make the offense move. But 275 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how much I take out of this 276 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: game to really be that impressed because of the JT 277 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: just didn't show up in this game. The one thing 278 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: that in Greg's point this out, like what's the best 279 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: position group? Uh, you know, what's the best unit on 280 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: the field in a game like this. In Buffalo's defense 281 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: week after week is able to get in the quarterbacks 282 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: face and totally blow up game plans. I think last 283 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: night that was for me, even the bigger story than 284 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: anything they did on offense. That scares me isn't any weather. 285 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna be good, but their schedule down the stretch. 286 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: They have to win that Brown's game, because I think 287 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: after that they are absolutely facing a laundry list. Let's 288 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: play the schedule game. Yeah, they have no chance to 289 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: make because of the schedule, but they've had a great year. 290 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Who wants to be the arbiter of victory or defeat? 291 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: I will? I will be all right here we go 292 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: um home to Browns. I'm going to win alright, seven 293 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: and five? So well, Cleveland that's Mark Cecil. You're number 294 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: one fan at Broncos lost seven and six home to Packers, 295 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: lost seven and seven at Raiders, win eight and seven 296 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: at Pat's loss. Alright, so we don't even really talk 297 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: about this team with just because they have a ridiculously 298 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: hard schedule the rest of the It's hard to see 299 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: it happening, but it's impressive. How good a team piloted 300 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: by Kyle Orton, who they signed in August is In 301 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: that defensive line that you mentioned, I think it's the 302 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: best defensive line in the league. And I can't think 303 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: of many defensive lines over the last five years that 304 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: are better. One to four where all four of those guys, 305 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, Kyle Williams, Mario Williams, and Marcel Darius have 306 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: strong Pro Bowl cases. I think all four could go. 307 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Mariel Williams has earning that paycheck now. He has twelve 308 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: sacks now, so he's on pace for seventeen or eighteen sacks. 309 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: That's exactly what they paid for when they gave him 310 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: that huge contract a couple of years. I mean, we 311 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: before E. J. Manual rode the Pine, we looked at 312 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: the Bills as a team that might go to and fourteen, 313 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: three and thirteen, and they have a new owner and 314 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times that means new GM, new coach 315 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: sweep it out. I think Marone and I think they've 316 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: saved the job. I would doubt unless they really flame 317 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: out in these last five games. But I think they're 318 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: on some level and in a very similar boat to 319 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: the Jets. So there's still pretenders and nobody's until they 320 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: locate the quarterback, and they I would have think, just 321 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: like the Jets will be, the Bills will be very 322 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: aggressive in the first round, whether they pick at where 323 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: their spotters or look to move up because they are 324 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: not going anywhere until they find a quarterback. And Doug Welly, 325 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: who mortgages whole future on Sammy Watkins, it behooves him 326 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: to find somebody that could get him the ball in 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: the long term. Since I do, before we get out 328 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: of this game, you do have to you know, kids 329 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: will be I'll be telling my grandchildren when I think 330 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: back on this crazy game in a neutral field on 331 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: a Monday night. You know, no Bills and Jets fans 332 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: actually they're I'll describe it as the Robert Woods games. 333 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: I love me some Robert he had five beautiful catches 334 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: nine for one. Eight team like six four or five 335 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: diving catches. That was one of the games of the 336 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: year by any wide receiver. I know it was Robert 337 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: Woods and you know West isn't here to you know, 338 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: to come down and he's still gonna win his sandwich. 339 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: And there were some Bills fans and there are even 340 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: some Jets fans at that game. But I don't know 341 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: how many fans are going to remember that game. I've 342 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: never seen so many crowd shots people that were completely 343 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: completely glazed over in the eyes. There there has been 344 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: some heavy tailgat and going on. This is Detroit. I 345 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: mean what it's It's it's winter time in Detroit. This 346 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: is There is something about the neutral site random game 347 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: z act. You mentioned it on Twitter that that you 348 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: find enticing. You just like the random time neutral site games. 349 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: That's just strange magic to it. I agree, I totally agree, 350 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: there is something fun that it's just like this wacky 351 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: game you know that you never happened again. Speaking of 352 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: strange magic, and while we have you here a gold standard, 353 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about a tweet from a 354 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: couple of hours ago. If you could just shine a 355 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: light on it. Let me read it to the audience. 356 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: This is from at that Damn Yank, who was up 357 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: to almost five thousand Twitter followers. Here we go. Here's 358 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the tweet. Some people in life load up on high 359 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: value food at the buffet. Others just enjoy the buffet. 360 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, I don't want to get 361 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: too profound on everyone here, but I do so I'm 362 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna ground it an earthly circumstance. I was 363 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: at the salad bar and I saw a lot of 364 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: loading up on you know, high value ingredients. You have 365 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: your eggs, your meat, et cetera. But it didn't look 366 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: like a nice mix. And so for me in life, 367 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: I you know, I say, you get a nice mix 368 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: in there. You don't worry about what costs the most, 369 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: what the best value is. You just sort of enjoy 370 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: your life. Guess what, But you just got a favorite. 371 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Others just enjoy. You're gonna like my nacho cheese theory, 372 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, don't get it to us all. Gotta space 373 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: this out, so interesting next time. Follow Zak Goldman at 374 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: that damn Analysis. I'm still not sure what it means, 375 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like the adult in scale. I 376 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: feel a little bit like Jaden Smith. Yeah, I think 377 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Zach graduated from Oxford in like six months. So whatever 378 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: he says, I'm just gonna pretend that I following accurate. 379 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: And it is probably also very very I think what 380 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: I what I took it as was so basically the 381 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: people that you like, you are one of the people 382 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: You're just gonna enjoy. You're just gonna go there and 383 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: enjoy the buffet experience overall. You're not gonna get caught 384 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: up in trying to like maximize. You don't need to 385 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: beat the strategize how I'm going to have the best 386 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: salad and whatever. It's just like be there. I get 387 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: very annoyed at salad bars. You are famously annoyed. Yes, 388 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: I just I don't like I think that the behavior 389 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of people at salad bars is very 390 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: quick and fairness. You get annoyed by the behavior of 391 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: people and a lot of social circumstances, and you don't 392 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: like food. So it's a bad combos both of them. 393 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: So again, if you want more on Mr Goldman's buffet 394 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: slash buffoon dichotomy, how that damn yet? How many pops 395 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: is his Twitter account. I can't even get you to 396 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: mention our own folder in NFL Now, which everyone should 397 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: just like I said, go to NFL Now, put on 398 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: videos and just leave it plain for hours. Okay, yeah, 399 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: do that, and then of course, you know, go to 400 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: iTunes and click stars give us five stars. These comments, uh, 401 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: watch us on, listen to us stitcher, these other things. 402 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: Just trying very hard to not have this be a 403 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: short podcast. Not only that, we're trying hard to have 404 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: people turn off the pot. Here we go, we are 405 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: the worst. Let's move on to Thursday. Let's talk about 406 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: three great games on Thanksgiving. Really, this is when the 407 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: season begins. You have this great home stretch. Uh, and 408 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: it starts with with Stars, it starts with j Color 409 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: and you know, we we we don't have to see 410 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: the Bears too much more this season, but this one 411 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: we're locked in. I think we have one more game 412 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: with game on NFL Network. Great job there. The following week, well, 413 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: I know, well, I'm saying we're almost out of the woods, 414 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: the Bears almost out of the woods. But we are 415 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: going to watch the Chicago Bears head to Detroit to 416 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: face the lines. The lines of course a tradition always 417 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: playing at home on Thanksgiving, and the Lines are coming 418 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: off a loss to the Patriots in which they were 419 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: very competitive. But I don't know how much you can 420 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: even take from that because nobody's been competitive against the 421 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: Patriots for almost two months. As we noted in the 422 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: last podcast, they've on average outscored a poont opponent's forty 423 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: to twenty uh in the last seven weeks. So on 424 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: the other side, you of the Bears, who you know, stank. 425 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: But at the same time, they finally got to win 426 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: at home and Soldier Field against mediocre Bucks team. So 427 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: everything seems to be pointing in the lines favor here. 428 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: But can we trust the lines? This is right about 429 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: the time of year where the Lions usually go into 430 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: their fade. They fold up like a cheap seat at 431 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: the Pontiac's Silver Dome. So is that where are we 432 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: gonna see the Lines stumble in a game they need 433 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: and should win. I don't think so. This week. I 434 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: don't think so either. They have three easy home games 435 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: in a row Chicago, tamb Bay, Minnesota, and we talked 436 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: about like the best unit on the field. I do 437 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: trust that Lions defense. I mean they couldn't slow down 438 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: New England, but I don't think they'll have a big 439 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: problem slowing down Chicago. You know, the Bears have gotten 440 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: a little healthier the last week, playing teams like the 441 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: Box and the Vikings. It's a lot different on Thursday. 442 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that you know, this might be a get 443 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: well game for Detroit's offense, which has been a real 444 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: issue for them, and they're having to win games fourteen 445 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: to six, and you know, you thought the opposite would happen, 446 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: if anything in Detroit. But Chicago's defense, we don't even 447 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: know if Lance Briggs will play, Kyle Fuller might not play. 448 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: They're losing, guys. They're giving up twenty seven and a 449 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: half points a game, second worst in the league. I mean, 450 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: they can't do anything right and they don't have the 451 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: offense to bail them out. So I just I look 452 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: at this as Detroit to get well opportunity. A news flash, 453 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: do any NFL network producers listening to the show by like, 454 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: stop putting the Bears in the hunt? Joy? When you 455 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: put that graphic up, they got they always have the 456 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: Bears still in the hunt. They are in the hunt 457 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: for a top ten draft pick and maybe a new coach. 458 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: M M. Just let that sit in the air for 459 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: a minute, give us another blowtorks there more and more 460 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: and more. Alright, alright, alright, don't you guys remember, uh, 461 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: like the week after the Brady Quinn Matthew Stafford game. 462 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: Maybe this wasn't a seminal moment, for there was that 463 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: great Matthew Stafford Brady Quinn game in there was a 464 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game right after that, and I remember thinking, well, 465 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: at least we've got an exciting, fun Lions quarterback for 466 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving every year now for the next decade. But now 467 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not that excited about Matthew Stafford. He's 468 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: he's not fun to watch. Stafford is uh almost impossible 469 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: to figure out. Uh. And then we talked about this 470 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: last week that the difference between Stafford and Cutler is 471 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: perhaps just Stafford has a little flair for the dramatic 472 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: that Cutler doesn't have. You just color is a flair 473 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: for being surly and dating eleven reality stars. But like, 474 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: I think that this is a good matchup of two 475 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: guys that are enigmas. Somebody's gonna step up in a 476 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: big spot. I I agree with Wes's argument against Detroit 477 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: of late, which is that Jim Caldwell has become what 478 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: we knew he would be by this point in a 479 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: very conservative team that isn't going to take big chances. 480 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: This could be of the three games of the day, 481 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: the dullest. Let's be honest, let's get it out of 482 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: the way early. That's the way it should be. That's 483 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna less. Listen, Dominican Sue kicks some junk. Well 484 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: for the personal the game, that's right, there's always some 485 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: popping hips Thanksgiving. You can't do that. Talk to Matt 486 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: job about that. We've not seen him since. Hey, he won, 487 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: By the way, that was a great moment for the Texans. 488 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: You're right, big moment from Matt shob all right. Matchup 489 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: and lost twenty four games, uh, consecutively between the Texans 490 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: and Raiders. He wasn't really in the pay roll of 491 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: teams that we're doing that poorly. Yeah, anyway, so that's 492 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: that game. I think across the board in this room anyway, 493 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: I think we all have the lines. Anybody gonna take 494 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: a shot in the Bears. No, okay, we move on 495 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: to the middle game. Here is and Greg, you know, 496 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm a junk for NFC East football. Oh my goodness, 497 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I am excited about this. The Philadelphia Eagles traveled big 498 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: d I'm gonna move a couple more fit away from 499 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Gary World. UFA, what do we got to eight and 500 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: three teams here? You sound like you want to come 501 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: into the office and maybe covered almost almost. I'm thinking 502 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: about it, and I'm gonna kiss my wife on the 503 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: forehead and uh, pet my baby on the head and 504 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: say I got some NFCY East football. She would understand it, like, Howey, 505 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: you can watch on the TV here, and then I'll 506 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: throw the television on the Ground's like, no, I gotta 507 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: be in the office for this. Eagles at Cowboys a 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: battle for supremacy, and I would never do that, by 509 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: the way, I like my TV too much. A battle 510 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: for supremacy in the NFC East. Whoever wins this game 511 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: is in first place. I think they have a rematch 512 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: shortly down the road after that. So we don't want 513 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: to get too crazy and say the winner of this 514 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: game wins the division. However, what a huge game between 515 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: two very good teams. Uh, I am this is to me, 516 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: it feels like a bit of a coin flip game. 517 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: I don't know last time Mark. Let me just say this, 518 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: last time Mark Sanchez played on Thanksgiving but fumble and can't. 519 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: As a Jets man, it's almost impossible for me to 520 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: fathom a scenario where he gets his Thanksgiving redemption. But 521 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: then again, football is tough. Sports are weird like that. 522 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: Maybe that will be the big story that he will 523 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: have a shining moment on Thanksgiving. It makes sense of 524 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: an upset Jets fans. Your thoughts, gentlemen, who is first 525 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: of all, who's the better team neutral field? Who's the 526 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: better team Dallas? I would go Philly, which so I 527 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: is giving away where we're probably going with these picks, 528 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: although it's on the road in Dallas the Sanchez factor 529 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: or something, but I still trust Philly Moore. I just 530 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't think Phillies got a defense that can shut 531 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: down Dallas in this game. They gave up fifty three 532 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You know, this is an 533 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: incomplete team that's winning in weird ways. I give him 534 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: credit for that too, by the way, But with Dallas, 535 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: I think that this is the Thanksgiving game that Jerry 536 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: Jones has waited for for fifteen sixteen years. They're sitting 537 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: in first place. They can they can drop a hammer. 538 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: They do play him two weeks from now. I I 539 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: think that Giants game was the game. If Dallas was 540 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: gonna start to tailspin, we would have seen them lose 541 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: that and lose the moment to Odell Beckham and company. 542 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: They came through. They won the way they've been winning 543 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: all year. That by week came at the perfect time 544 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: for them. Dallas wins this game. I agree totally about 545 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: the Eagles defense. I don't see them putting up a 546 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: performance that keeps Dallas below, say thirty five points. And 547 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: I think also if I would be I'm picking the 548 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys here, and I would if if you had two 549 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen Nick Voles at quarterback right now, I would 550 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: feel a lot better about the Eagles. Chansis going on 551 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: the road and winning this game. But with two thousand 552 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: fourteen Mark Santez, who by the way, has not played 553 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: that well. That he played well against the Panthers. He 554 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: made some really nice throws, had a couple of nice drives, 555 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: but back to back weeks he has he's been very inconsistent. 556 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say he's gonna step in and 557 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: deliver a big time game. So I think the quarterback 558 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: discrepancies so big. I think Romo is playing at such 559 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: a high level this season. I think Sancha is the 560 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: middle of the road guy. And I think when you 561 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: put the game in Dallas, to me, that's why the 562 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys win. I think you guys have been hanging out 563 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: with Elliott Harrison and Michael Fabiano and all these guys 564 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: who just want to fall in love with the Cowboys 565 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: as a national story. What games have you been watching 566 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: the last home games they've had, Right, they lost, granted 567 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Weed was one of the quarterbacks. Yeah, let's let's 568 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: like they also lost equal weight that that's also lost 569 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: to Cult McCoy. Okay, And then we're giving them a 570 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: huge props because they beat those Juggernaut Giants at the 571 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: last seconds. Like that's not an overly impressive result. The 572 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: Eagles are a mystifying team too, But the Cowboys have 573 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: not impressed me in particular over the last week. You're 574 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: sleeping on the magic of the NFC East there because 575 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't care what the Giants record is. The Cowboys 576 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: go into the meadow ends of primetime that is almost 577 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: always going to be a dog fight that those teams 578 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: always play each other close wherever they're being played. There 579 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: are the Cowboys a dominant team? Are the ninety five Cowboys? No, 580 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: but I think they're a legitimately good team that's gonna 581 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: win eleven games, and they're not winning in flukey ways 582 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: there they they came out with a formula ory. They're 583 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: running the ball, and they're doing it well. Their defense, 584 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: we thought would be giving up forty points a game. 585 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: It's doing the job to some degree. It's not not 586 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: at all. But the offense has enough. They've got, you know, 587 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: a triplet action going on with Emmett or not with Emmett, 588 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: please with the with the with the modern day trio 589 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: that they have that they he can score thirty points 590 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: a game. My big advantage that I'm giving the Philadelphia 591 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: that I'll give as long as they're the two guys there, 592 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly the genius versus Jason Garrett. I don't trust 593 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett an We'll hold on so with Sanchez because 594 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: I think he what he's gonna kill you on because 595 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: what we're starting to see what he is now, he's 596 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: going to produce and do a better job than he 597 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: ever did with the Jets. But he's gonna throw that 598 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: one or two interceptions a game that kills you. I mean, 599 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna create Turno. Romo can do it too, 600 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: but it's a lot of that with Romo. We're almost 601 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: playing great. And I think Cowboys fans have to be 602 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: thrilled with how he looked on Monday night, just his mobility. 603 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he game comes down to a fourth quarter 604 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez interception with less than five minutes to go. 605 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: This Philly team is the most hard to pin down 606 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: team in the league. Like, you don't know if they're 607 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: terrible or potentially great. I'm gonna go with great, at 608 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: least on Thursdays, all right, So Greg's gonna take the 609 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: Eagles in this game, Mark and I take the Cowboys, 610 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: and the gold standard takes. Take a lot of turkey 611 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: at that, damn Yang. That's where you get that type 612 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: of humor. Every time you log in there, you're gonna 613 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: get some burd down thoughts about social issues, about football, 614 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: about football at that day. We move on to the 615 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: final game of Thursday Night football, final game of Thanksgiving football. 616 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: Here we go the Seattle Seahawks, the defending world champions 617 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions head to the Gene Center in California, 618 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: the face of San Francisco forty Niners. I can't remember 619 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: the name of the place. I liked your I thought 620 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: it was just a joke that was great. Just called 621 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: Levi Stadium. I believe it's called Santa Clara and no 622 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: one knows where miles away from the at Niners. A 623 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: great matchup, and Greg, I think you put it well 624 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter today when you said that the fact that 625 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: the Niners and Seahawks are both seven and four makes 626 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: this game even better than if they were both nine 627 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: and two and cruising at the top of the end 628 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: ofc It makes it more meaningful because it's not just 629 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: two teams cruising to the playoffs. It's two teams that 630 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: genuinely hate each other that can put a big decisive 631 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, cracking the kneecaps of the other team's playoff chances. 632 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: The losing team here is going to have an uphill 633 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: battle to make the playoffs, whereas the winning team still 634 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: has a shot to win the division, especially if it's Seattle. 635 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: They could sneak a win on the road. Then you 636 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: can start seeing that path to winning the NFC West 637 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: I think a Seattle wins on the road, that's the 638 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: one big differentiator here. They play again in a couple 639 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: of weeks, so it's like they're probably gonna go, probably 640 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: gonna split. But I think we're all picking Seattle in 641 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: this game, are we? And I would I would like. 642 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure either yet. Actually that's the game. I 643 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: haven't decided. I'm not sure. I need to see Seattle 644 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: step up on the road, you know. I I think 645 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: they've been a mediocre kind of crumby road team this year, 646 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: and it's time for them to show some spine because 647 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: the way things are shaping up, they are unlikely to 648 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: have home field throughout the NFC playoffs this year unless 649 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: some things happen with the Packers and in the NFC East. Uh, 650 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen to get a signature road win, 651 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: so this would, to me, would be the one if 652 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: you could go into San Francisco, who By the way, 653 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: the Niners have not been great in their new stadium 654 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: so far. Gene Center is what it's called Seattle to me, 655 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: on Sunday, in that nineteen and three win over Arizona 656 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: looked healthier on defense, they had their mojo back. They 657 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: just looked like last year's Seahawks, and they shut down 658 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: the run completely. Arizona could do nothing. That for me 659 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: is the matchup. They've given up eighty or less yards 660 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: and like six of the of the games of the 661 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: last eleven games this season, San Francisco has not been 662 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: running the ball the way that they have in the past. 663 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: If they can put the clamp on that and force 664 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: Kaepernick to win this game, I like Seattle's chances. I'll 665 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: tell you what else. I like. Winner of this game 666 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: wins the NFC West. How about that. I think that's fair. 667 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: I think I could see the Cardinals. I think they're 668 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: going to the tank a little bit, and I think 669 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: one of these teams is going to steal the division, 670 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: and that the regular season in the end takes us 671 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: only to the most predictable places. Yes, is if we've 672 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: learned anything about football, it's always predictable, predictable every time. 673 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: San Francisco is gonna have to go beat Arizona in 674 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: their rematch. They already have a loss against Arizona. They 675 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: have already a couple I think they have three division losses. 676 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be tough for San Francisco to win 677 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: the division, they will have to basically win out I 678 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: think for any chance of winning the division. I mean, 679 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: when we talk about the Seahawks haven't been the same 680 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: as they were last year. I would say the same 681 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: exact thing about San Francisco. They're often they're a hard 682 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: watch on on offense. To be honest, there they used 683 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: to be the most I thought they were almost creative 684 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: unit out there. I couldn't couldn't wait to see their games. 685 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: I don't feel that way this year. On the injury 686 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: side of two, one thing, you've got to keep an 687 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: eye on his Marshall on Lynch. I think Pete Carroll 688 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: said he'll be out there, but his I think it 689 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: was his back was Steffen up a little bit and 690 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: he was not effective on Sunday. So on a short week, 691 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with that. And Pete Carroll has 692 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: not one in San Francisco yet, so I have a 693 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: candlestick not in this chief's house. Whatever. Though, It's just 694 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: worth noting that the last two years when they've been superpowers, 695 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: basically they've split, they have won other home games, and 696 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: at no point in Pete Carroll's run, as he'd gone 697 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: to San Francisco in won a game. I'm not usually 698 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: you into going in, but just shows that it's a 699 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: tough thing to do. And at the end of this 700 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: new Niner Stadium, it's not offense is playing well. This 701 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: really could be like a nine to three game. The 702 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: Seahawk's offense and playing well. Seahawks San Francisco's defense is 703 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: playing outstanding right now. They are playing as well or 704 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: better than the Seahawks on defense. You know what they 705 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: should do with gene Place. They should do what they 706 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: did a candlestick where because it was such an old 707 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: facility and was a multi purpose facility, they left randomly 708 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: eleven thousand seats empty in that one corner of the 709 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: end zone. They should do that because maybe that's what 710 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: was the secret mojo of San Francisco, was that golden 711 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: zone of empty seats. Maybe that didn't help that the 712 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: game is for like forty degrees and blazing wind. And 713 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: by the way, on the on the subject of the Seahawks, 714 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: I need to say something about you know, I always 715 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: like when people say someone's on a show once on 716 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: a radio calling and they coming for three minutes, and 717 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: then the person that hosts that shows like a friend 718 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: of the show and that the player has no idea 719 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: they were ever even on the show. Richard Sherman was 720 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: on the show once and the old A T l 721 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: D Debate Club, I believe, and we talked to him 722 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: and he seemed like a nice guy. I'm real, I'm 723 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: over it. This the press conference he had on on 724 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: Tuesday in which he him and Doug Baldwin brought out 725 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: the cardboard cut out, it was. It was. It was 726 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: really like it was forced. It was labored as as 727 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: West and I sometimes save each other's bits. And and 728 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: the thing that got me the most annoyed was that 729 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: the media immediately because it's a default setting now, whenever 730 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman does or says anything, it's just that brilliant, 731 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: brilliant satire genius taking shots at the shield speaking up 732 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: for the players who don't have a voice. You know what, 733 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: calmed down, Richard Sherman, Just play some football. I'm I 734 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 1: know I'm sounding like the cranky old white guy Greg 735 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: when you say that, but but it's like, I just 736 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: the thing that annoys me is not that Richard Sherman 737 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: speaks and is outspoken. It's that if you're gonna if 738 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna try to pull that type of move, you 739 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: gotta be a little more clever and a little more 740 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: exciting about it. I didn't take anything out of it. 741 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: I thought it was just annoying, and I hate that 742 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: people just automatically say anything he does is when you you, 743 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: you and West call each other's bits labored. Well, this 744 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: was you know, this was not that entertaining to start with. 745 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: How about scripted better drop a bigger hammer and get 746 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: us into it. But it was about a half points 747 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of kind of things that we've heard about, 748 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: like complaining about the brand usage and the not being 749 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: able to plug alcohol things, just stuff kind of stuff 750 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: that it's just like tired. We've heard this a hundred times, 751 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,280 Speaker 1: gregor uncomfortable. But anyway, he could have had some music, 752 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, Zach attack. Perhaps you're one of them, you're 753 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: one of those drones. No, Richard Chairman is a genius. 754 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: I pretty much agree with you that it wasn't that exciting, 755 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 1: but I don't have any strong fear. The best part 756 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: was we had the live feed in the newsroom watching it, 757 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: and you know, his bit was mostly met to silence 758 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: in the in the press conference, and one of the 759 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: reporters goes to gather his recorder after he was done, 760 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: and he says to a woman that was also getting 761 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: her recorder, what was that? Right? Maybe summed it up 762 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: better than anyone anyway. I like this new role role 763 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: Dan is taking in as the kind of cantankerous columnists 764 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: that's been there. I would like to these kids with 765 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: their And that's the other default setting. It's if you 766 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: don't think Richard Sherman's a genius and you disagree, you're 767 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: the cranky guy that doesn't get it. I'm fine, I'll 768 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: be that guy. But it's like, no, I just don't 769 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: think necessarily everything he says is because Richard Sherman is 770 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: so genius and he's operating on another level as a 771 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: professional athlete, gold standard. Your take on this, well, being 772 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: the man with the c minus Twitter feed in the 773 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: house right now, I don't think give anyone pointers about satire, 774 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: but I will say that I did find it a 775 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: bit labored and only mildly funny to begin with, even 776 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: if well executed. By the way, the smartest guy in 777 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: the room agrees with me, I agree, that's what I said. 778 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: I basically agree with that. I just don't feel particularly strong. 779 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't drive me crazy or anything. Media watchdog all right, 780 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: anything else on this game? And I agree Greg, I'm 781 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: not sure who I'm gonna pick in this. I'm gonna 782 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: have to give it another By the way, I haven't 783 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned that I was picking Seattle. That 784 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: means nothing. I'm I'll do what I feel like doing. 785 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: We haven't made our picks yet. You can check our 786 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: picks out on weekly pick Them the Game, and we 787 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: also do our power picks on the website on NFL 788 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: dot com. It will be up a day early this 789 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: week on Wednesday because of thanks you. All right, So 790 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: that's it for Tuesday's version. Addition, I should say of 791 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast, we will be back one 792 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: day from now with our preview of all the great 793 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: Week thirteen Action Are Big preview show we do. Chris 794 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: Wessel moved back, the Mailman will be returned from his 795 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: tape watching voyage. So that's always gonna be fun to 796 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: have the whole team back together after we've been split 797 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: up for a couple of shows. So until then, thank 798 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: you for listening as always. Uh. Since Dan hansis signing 799 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: off for the Sizzler, the Boss and the gold standard 800 00:38:49,040 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 1: behind the glass. Until Wednesday, we be typing where or ever. 801 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: Well you every where ever will be free, always will 802 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: give you one I never, that's if you ever need 803 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: her more. Wait for your home