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Speaker 1: The other thing we have to admit, Jason, is because

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Speaker 1: of Luca's ball usage. I felt like he wasn't healthy

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Speaker 1: he looked beat up. So again, when when Kyrie's not delivering,

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Speaker 1: it becomes very Luca dominant, I thought, he looked. I

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Speaker 1: the guy and it's little Jalen Brunson It's like Jalen's great,

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Speaker 1: but there are limitations to you know, when Jalen went

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Speaker 1: And that's why the Celtics work is that Tatum wasn't

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Speaker 1: good in the first two games. He and Brown were

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Speaker 1: looked And that's I agree with you. Oka sees only

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Speaker 1: getting better. Denver's already favored. Boston's not getting significantly worse

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Speaker 1: It's like in the NFL, the loser of the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 4: for instance, Lakers fans last year, it's like we made

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Speaker 4: they can get stops. But where I get concerned is

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Speaker 1: They also had an elite defender right off that in Gordon,

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Speaker 1: they had a dominant record. They lost to Denver, but

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Speaker 1: bringing the guys back. You'll play with more confidence. Tatum

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Speaker 1: We can't make us a tweak. We're not a tweak

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Speaker 2: Like the league is just.

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Speaker 4: Like this Celtics team is kind of settling right in

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Speaker 1: All right, it's my buddy Nick, right, So you know

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this is the Lakers still haven't

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Speaker 2: You could argue, would you let Rob Linka run the volume?

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Speaker 2: He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: No, but he's one of those guys that's really a

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Speaker 2: And great relationships. Great, that's a the good looking, smart

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Speaker 2: I think they I think that title's as legitimate as anyone,

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Speaker 2: So to compare my how I would have done as

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Speaker 1: They didn't have an answer. Why would you ever fire somebody.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you're fired because either you were in

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Speaker 2: doors you can walk through on that. Either you never

427
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Speaker 2: actually intended to hire him and you thought having that

428
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Speaker 2: story out there would be good pr and soften the

429
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Speaker 2: blow of eventually hiring JJ Reddick, or you really did

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Speaker 2: want to hire him and you thought eleven million dollars

431
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Speaker 2: a year was gonna get it done. So either you

432
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Speaker 2: were trying to run a scam on your fan base

433
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Speaker 2: or you were too incompetent to get your guy. Either way,

434
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Speaker 2: you're unqualified. You are unqualified, And I don't think this

435
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Speaker 2: is why I brought up blink up. That is in

436
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Speaker 2: a lot of industries, man, that is a fireable offense.

437
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if somebody, if you have say, I'm not

438
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Speaker 2: going to compare you to Darbnham, that's unfair. But if

439
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Speaker 2: if you if someone, if you get if you get

440
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Speaker 2: fired and the company's like trust us and then publicly,

441
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Speaker 2: very publicly goes after someone that everybody thinks, oh well

442
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Speaker 2: that would be great. Oh they're getting costas I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just making yes.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is. And then that person says, nah, don't

445
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Speaker 2: want it, and the next day does seven radio shows

446
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Speaker 2: telling everyone about why he didn't take the job and

447
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: makes a fool of you. That person who screwed that

448
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Speaker 2: up usually is held to account, and instead we're just

449
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Speaker 2: left with they had a good meeting with JJ Reddick, Like,

450
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: give me a break, you're the Los Angeles Lakers crazy.

451
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Speaker 2: It's mortifying. It's mortifying, man.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an amazing time. I think something is

453
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Speaker 1: happening in television, in media, in sports that's really really fascinating.

454
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Speaker 1: Is that because basically television now, the platform of television

455
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Speaker 1: may be shrinking, but it's all sports. I've told you

456
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Speaker 1: this before. If TikTok banned everything except cooking and culinary

457
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Speaker 1: stuff on TikTok and it lost seventy percent of its audience,

458
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Speaker 1: it would be great for culinary because it would be

459
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Speaker 1: the only thing on TikTok. You don't have to own

460
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Speaker 1: a platform. If you're the only thing on the platform,

461
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Speaker 1: it's powerful. And I think a lot of media critics say, oh,

462
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Speaker 1: cable TV is losing its audience. The only thing that

463
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Speaker 1: works on TV today, the only thing is sports in

464
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Speaker 1: every four years politics, So television now is just Fox

465
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Speaker 1: has said on Fridays we're doing sports. Weekends were sports,

466
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Speaker 1: We're going to Fridays. In fact, if they had the

467
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Speaker 1: Amazon Thursday Games, I think Fox would say Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

468
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Speaker 1: We're a sports network, three days a primetime nonsports. And

469
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Speaker 1: so I think what's one of the things that's interesting

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Speaker 1: is that the explosion Caitlin Clark is clearly a catalyst

471
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Speaker 1: for a business that was and let's be honest, Whereas

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Speaker 1: Tiger and Connor McGregor elevated their sports, Caitlyn to some degree,

473
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Speaker 1: Caitlin to some degree financially saved the WNBA. It was

474
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Speaker 1: hemorrhaging money for years.

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Speaker 2: So that so let me can I just before you

476
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Speaker 2: get to your point. So I think that people have

477
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Speaker 2: a hard time saying that or accepting that both of

478
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Speaker 2: these things can be true. It is good and I

479
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Speaker 2: think worthwhile, and I'm glad that pre Caitlin Clark there

480
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Speaker 2: was a women's profession basketball league in America that was

481
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Speaker 2: treated as a big time league and deserved to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's act that is true, and in terms of

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Speaker 1: basketball annually.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Here's what's also true. There is proof of concept

485
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Speaker 2: overseas that women's basketball can be profitable. That's why for

486
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Speaker 2: Britney Griner, you know, ended up in prison, was because

487
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Speaker 2: a lot of these women go overseas make a lot

488
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Speaker 2: more money. And that's not charity. They're not getting paid

489
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Speaker 2: out of charity. They're because those those leagues in those

490
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Speaker 2: countries have found ways to monetize it in a way

491
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Speaker 2: the WNBA hadn't. The WNBA was not well run. Flatly,

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Speaker 2: they they had a product that could be monetized in

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Speaker 2: a way that it was not. I'm not saying the

494
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Speaker 2: teams weren't well run. I'm saying the league as far

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Speaker 2: as whoever was in chards of generating revenue, there was.

496
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Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is whosever fault it was.

497
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Speaker 2: It was a league that as a business was not

498
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Speaker 2: a highly successful one at all. It's why you could

499
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Speaker 2: get a I think you could get a franchise for

500
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Speaker 2: fifty million, Well you know the is the franchise fee

501
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Speaker 2: like it? So it is it can be true that

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Speaker 2: it was it had the potential, as being proven right now,

503
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Speaker 2: to potentially be a super valuable business. But was not

504
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Speaker 2: being treated or run as such, and I think that

505
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Speaker 2: was an oversight maybe by the upper echelon of leadership.

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Speaker 2: And now with Caitlin, they have no choice but to

507
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Speaker 2: adapt and evolve because there's gonna be money pouring in

508
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Speaker 2: because there's so many more eyeballs on it now.

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Speaker 1: But as I was thinking about this is that there's

510
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Speaker 1: always been this gap. I tend to think of my

511
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Speaker 1: show are shows in terms of, you know, like almost

512
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Speaker 1: color coded, like red hot is Labor Day until February

513
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Speaker 1: twenty third, right, and then it cools down. It's an

514
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Speaker 1: orange a hue for NFL free agency, March Madness was

515
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Speaker 1: pretty good. I thought that college basketball had a good year,

516
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Speaker 1: women helping with that, and then the draft and that's

517
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Speaker 1: like orange, and then it goes back to a little

518
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Speaker 1: stronger orange for the NBA playoffs. Then it's blue. It's cool,

519
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Speaker 1: like we got two muchs cool. And I will say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, every four years World Cups, the Copas Euros,

521
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Speaker 1: those are very good for Fox. Those getting the good numbers,

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Speaker 1: they're fascinating. But I will say this selfishly, is that

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Speaker 1: the WNBA has become on a fairly regular basis, it

524
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Speaker 1: will fill a segment every day on my show, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it because I don't talk hockey much.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it as a reach. And I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about that, how people get famous. Some people get

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Speaker 1: famous on art. Mister Rogers got famous on decency. Some

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Speaker 1: people get famous or infamous on controversy, accidental or as

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Speaker 1: a law provocateur. In that, not only is Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: a catalyst, but the racial component and the underdog being

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Speaker 1: picked on as a component. And it's a little like golf,

533
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Speaker 1: where a very insular country club, predominantly white, wealthy sport

534
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Speaker 1: had this profoundly popular, historically fantastic player and that was

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Speaker 1: part of the Tiger story. He was new on many levels.

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Speaker 1: And I do think, and I'm not saying there is

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Speaker 1: a racial component to the WNBA, but every business needs

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Speaker 1: a catalyst, and every business there explosion is different. Some

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Speaker 1: it's controversy, some it's and so I'll use it is good.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Caitlin and the physicality, I look

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Speaker 1: at it and I think, hey, just look at the

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Speaker 1: WNBA as an American business. It is an American business,

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Speaker 1: and their catalyst is an underdog from Middle America. And

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Speaker 1: there's a racial component. That is a story one hundred

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Speaker 1: years old in America.

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Speaker 2: It could be.

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Speaker 1: There's a million businesses where that has been the case.

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Speaker 1: The sports one that there's a little correlation is Tiger,

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Speaker 1: although Tiger was profoundly dominant very early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the yeah, I don't. The only part of

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Speaker 2: that is I don't necessarily I think the media, some

553
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Speaker 2: media is treating Caitlin as more of an underdog than

554
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Speaker 2: she actually is. I don't think you were as an

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Speaker 2: underdog as much as I viewer as just a rookie

556
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Speaker 2: who is going through, you know, rookie growing pains, ebbs

557
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Speaker 2: and flows, but as.

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Speaker 1: A really good player.

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Speaker 2: But he is a really good player. You were talking

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Speaker 2: about the way it doesn't I'm going to use a

561
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Speaker 2: maybe unfortunate example. I'll use it as far as it

562
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Speaker 2: doesn't really matter why you get famous, it matters what

563
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Speaker 2: you do with it. Yeah, And I think maybe the

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Speaker 2: perfect example of that is Kim Kardashian. So, Kim Kardashian

565
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Speaker 2: was semi famous, a little famous, and then became uber

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Speaker 2: famous momentarily because of a sex tape, flatly, and what

567
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: did she do with it? Created a multi billion dollar

568
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Speaker 2: business based off her skill talent and beauty. Flatly, she

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Speaker 2: has one of the longest running hit television shows. She

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Speaker 2: has you know more, I don't you know a clothing

571
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Speaker 2: line or makeup line. I'm not all the way up

572
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: to date on everything the Kardashians are doing. But she

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Speaker 2: took that spark and turned it into a forest fire.

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Speaker 2: And that is what I'm hoping the WNBA can do

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Speaker 2: with this. You have Caitlin is the spark. The rivalry

576
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: which dates back to college with Angel Reese is real

577
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: gas on that spark. The times absurd media attention is

578
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Speaker 2: turning it into a real fire that at times the

579
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Speaker 2: wrong things are being focused on, and it's and to

580
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Speaker 2: go back to our bad actors on the internet stuff.

581
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of grossness surrounded with it. But even

582
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Speaker 2: if it's just by accident, there are a lot more

583
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: eyeballs on this league enough so everyone in the sports

584
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Speaker 2: world today was aware. Oh man, Cameron Brink tore ACL yesterday. Yeah,

585
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: like that sucks. Think about that. Two years ago, there

586
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Speaker 2: was no if if the number if the third most

587
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: famous w NBA rookie got hurt mid season. It's not

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Speaker 2: like one of the biggest things that happened I'm in

589
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: the sports world that day. From an attention standpoint, people

590
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: now care, and I that sounded wrong. I know a

591
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Speaker 2: lot some people care, but it has a relevance that

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Speaker 2: it's a zeitgeist effect, that it happened before there are

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Speaker 2: it is a bigger tint there, or it's the same

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Speaker 2: sized tint and more people are crowding in. And some

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Speaker 2: of those people are real assholes, and I kind of

596
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: wish they would leave, but they're here too, and so

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: I so I agree with you. It's how I forever

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Speaker 2: because I love tennis. I was hoping, like, man, can

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00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: someone in the Big three tennis become like controversial or

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00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: that where America cares because I would love to have

601
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: some Nadal Federer Djokovic seven years ago discussions, But my

602
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: audience didn't care enough. So on the podcast, I do

603
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: Nick's tennis corner during the Majors, and that's it because

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00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: I respect what the audience wants. But Colin, I was

605
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: on your TV show for twenty minutes on the Tuesday

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: after the NBA Finals rapped, and we spent as much

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00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: time on Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees as we did

608
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: on Game five of the finals, and it was a

609
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: smart programming decision because people have takes and people are invested.

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Speaker 2: And I also think, by the way, the other important

611
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Speaker 2: thing what was a bummer for golf was nobody was

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Speaker 2: able to carry on from Tiger. There wasn't there were

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Speaker 2: you know, like, there wasn't a It was. It was

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: purely Tiger to pinning, and the people like it was like, oh,

615
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: is it gonna be rory? Is it gonna be this?

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Speaker 2: It was? It was. It wasn't really anybuff with the

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Speaker 2: w n b A. The hope is you have this rookie,

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Speaker 2: you have all the stars are already there, and you

619
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Speaker 2: have this rookie class. Next year, you're gonna have Page

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Speaker 2: from Yukon coming in Paige, who was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: Caitlin before Caitlyn as far as like transcendent star and

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Speaker 2: the young woman at USC Juju might be the best

623
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Speaker 2: of everybody. She's clever then and then you then you're

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Speaker 2: not just relying on you know, oh, this person's out

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Speaker 2: for the year.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's remember you guys in a year. America likes

627
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: football and basketball. We like our basketball. I mean, hell,

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Speaker 1: I mean we watched women's basketball in college. We like

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Speaker 1: men's college basketball. We like the NBA. So this this country,

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Speaker 1: there's been experimental leagues, you know, the the ice cube.

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Speaker 1: So the truth is there is no experimental baseball league

632
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: that works, but there's experimental football and basketball leagues. UFL

633
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: was getting a million three, so like this is I

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00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: think basketball and football. If you really break down what

635
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: America likes. Europe likes soccer, they just love it, and

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00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: we love in America, we like our basketball and our football.

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: You can you can develop stuff off both, and I

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Speaker 1: think so I do think there's a very good chance

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Speaker 1: that Caitlin will create. She is the catalyst and we

640
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Speaker 1: will start. Now we may never have quite a quite

641
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Speaker 1: a Tiger, but Rory's not tiger either either as Deshamba

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Speaker 1: or Brooks. But they're captivating. They move the needle. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's bring in my buddy John Middlecoff, former NFL scout.

644
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Speaker 1: His podcasts The Football One is three and Out. You

645
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Speaker 1: know it's it's funny about I got into this conversation

646
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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks that the last twelve years only two quarterbacks

647
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Speaker 1: have won Super Bowls, Stars Peyton, Brady Mahomes or guys

648
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Speaker 1: who are talented but yet to be paid. Russell Wilson

649
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Speaker 1: and Flacco were on the last year of their their

650
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Speaker 1: first year contract, and then the Wentz Nick Foles team,

651
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Speaker 1: where those guys weren't making any money. So essentially like

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Speaker 1: that's it, you know, Tua Dak good quarterbacks, big money,

653
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Speaker 1: no chance. And so I looked at all the teams.

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Speaker 1: I came up with twelve quarterbacks who were either I

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Speaker 1: considered like throw the ball elite fashion, and it was

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Speaker 1: Stafford and Mahomes and Allen. I put Aaron Rodgers on there.

657
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Speaker 1: I put Lamar Jackson because I think he's elite, and

658
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Those are the six, so they're in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl bubble. And then there were six other guys

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Speaker 1: who I consider really really talented and inexpensive, all under

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a cap. Hit Herbert, I think it

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Speaker 1: was Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, brock Purty, I'm missing somebody else,

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Speaker 1: but it was that group.

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Speaker 5: Would you throw golf in there?

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. So Goff was the one quarterback on the

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Speaker 1: one team I didn't. He is not great and he's

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Speaker 1: too damn expensive. So over the last twelve years, there

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Speaker 1: are no Jared Goffs. There are no as b plus

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and with no history. I mean Peyton Manning was

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Speaker 1: older in Denver, but his brain was functioning. It's Peyton Manning.

671
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Speaker 1: He could still play off. There are no golf winners.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting because I came away and I said,

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Speaker 1: I actually liked this bubble. It was you know, Ravens, Bengals,

674
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Speaker 1: it was all the teams we like, you know Texans.

675
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Speaker 1: I think we both agree. And Packers are young, but

676
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be shocked if they end up at a

677
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Speaker 1: conference championship and Detroit was my takeaway. And I also

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Speaker 1: love Dan Campbell's ability to build a culture. I don't

679
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Speaker 1: know if you get him in a game with a

680
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Speaker 1: Shanahan or Andy Reid if I feel so great about

681
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Speaker 1: highly emotional Dan Campbell. So here's a franchise. I love

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. I've been higher on Goff. You and I have,

683
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Speaker 1: I think than almost anybody in the media. Love their roster.

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Speaker 1: It's a younger version of the Niners. But there are

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Speaker 1: no examples of Jared Goff winning a Super Bowl that

686
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Speaker 1: kind of pay and quarterback. And you know it wouldn't

687
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Speaker 1: shock you if I said in five years they didn't

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: No I mean, well, they're Lions, but I do think

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Speaker 5: they have a unique window because of the trade they

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Speaker 5: met made with Stafford and how well they drafted their

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Speaker 5: team roster wise, feels more like a Raven's Oh yeah right.

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Speaker 5: They went toe to toe with the Niners, and they

694
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Speaker 5: didn't have to lose any of those guys to sign

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Speaker 5: this track. Now, when the bill comes due and his

696
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Speaker 5: number starts hitting whatever. On a yearly basis, twenty percent

697
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Speaker 5: of the CAF, it's a little different. But right now,

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Speaker 5: on a man demand basis, I would say they easily

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Speaker 5: have a top five roster because the other thing they have.

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Speaker 5: I was talking to our guy, Jeff Schwartz, who Oregon Duck.

701
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Speaker 5: He's like, do you realize that Piney Sewell is like

702
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Speaker 5: twenty three, twenty four years old? You know the players,

703
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Speaker 5: their young talent. That Jamier Gibbs, the wide receiver, meets

704
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Speaker 5: running back like he's a Christian McCaffrey, Alvin Kamara, we

705
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Speaker 5: saw Laporta. I'mon Saint Brown. They do have a question mark.

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Speaker 1: At defensive back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have question marks a defensive back in

708
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, it can be a problem. But they

709
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Speaker 5: did add in the draft. They added Carlton Davis from

710
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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay. So if they're just so. The other thing,

711
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Speaker 5: Colin is a lot of times when you're a team

712
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Speaker 5: that sucks and then a couple of years later has success,

713
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 5: people steal your coaches for whatever reason. Ben Johnson doesn't

714
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Speaker 5: want to be a head coach. I mean he's turning

715
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Speaker 5: down Josh Harris as they're flying to see him. It's

716
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Speaker 5: a unique situation with him. So yeah, Dan is not

717
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 5: mister schematic right, he's not calling the place. But he

718
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Speaker 5: didn't lose his start coordinator and now they're defense just

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Speaker 5: personnel wise, like, I think they.

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Speaker 1: Got a real chance this shitar.

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Speaker 5: They got a real chance because there's a ton of

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Speaker 5: pressure in San Francisco. I have to see how this

723
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Speaker 5: IU thing plays out. Jordan Loves got to do it

724
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Speaker 5: for seventeen games. Yeah, right, So you look around Philly,

725
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Speaker 5: we still got question marks with Sirianni.

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Speaker 2: Now the roster is.

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Speaker 5: Good, but I think the lot it's this year now.

728
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Speaker 5: Over the course of the next three or four years,

729
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Speaker 5: it gets more difficult if you're not the fourth best quarterback,

730
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Speaker 5: if you're closer to eleven and you're making huge money.

731
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Speaker 5: But I do think you've you've seen if you can

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Speaker 5: protect the guy, he's he's mentally tough, He's like a

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Speaker 5: better version. He's a different type player, but a lot

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Speaker 5: like Alex Smith, but I think better and yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: mentally tough and that matters in these playoff games. Alex

736
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Speaker 5: is just so physically limited when Andy would get him

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Speaker 5: to the playoffs, Jared has more physical case. You can't

738
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Speaker 5: run like that, but he can throw and if you

739
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Speaker 5: can protect him. The NFC, I mean, they should have

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Speaker 5: won that game, and like you said, it was a

741
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Speaker 5: I thought it was pretty reckless by Dan Campbell with

742
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Speaker 5: the kick of the field goals. But yeah, I think

743
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Speaker 5: this year they got a legit chance. If you tell

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Speaker 5: me the Lions, is it inconceivable? They're the number one seed?

745
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Speaker 5: Their division's hard, But I mean, why couldn't they win.

746
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Speaker 5: I don't know if San Francisco is gonna win thirteen

747
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Speaker 5: fourteen again, maybe they win eleven because them in the

748
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Speaker 5: Rams both eleven. What if the Lions get to twelve

749
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Speaker 5: or thirteen, have the one seed and then they get

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Speaker 5: to everything's in adult.

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Speaker 1: I would argue the two best rosters in the NFL

752
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Speaker 1: are San Francisco and Detroit. The best teams are almost

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Speaker 1: all in the AFC. It's like when USC dominated the

754
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Speaker 1: Pac twelve. The conference was just awful, but USC was

755
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Speaker 1: the best program and basically they got every California recruit

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Speaker 1: they wanted. I think the Niners. If I said this

757
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Speaker 1: before last year, if you took the Niners and the

758
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Speaker 1: Lions and just we're gonna make a Pro Bowl team

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Speaker 1: out of these two teams it can compete with. I

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Speaker 1: mean literally the offensive line, Trent Williams one side, pinas

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Speaker 1: the other.

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Speaker 5: You literally hurt people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would hurt people. So I am I think

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Speaker 1: I'm in the minority here. I want you to think

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Speaker 1: I'll go first of a team you thinks undervalued. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Denver. So they drafted an edge rusher. That

767
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Speaker 1: is an area of need. If you go back to

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Speaker 1: last year, the defense was the issue. They got the

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Speaker 1: most you could get if you go really look at

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's stats. Now, Russell doesn't see the field particularly well,

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Speaker 1: but they've got a number one receiver in Courtland Sutton.

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Speaker 1: The offensive line was rated seventh. I like their backs

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Speaker 1: capable at tight end again, a number one receiver. I

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Speaker 1: think the old lines better than people think. One of

775
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Speaker 1: the smartest play designers and callers in the sport. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders are not going to be great. The Chargers will

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Speaker 1: probably take a while to get where they want to get.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be terribly explosive vertically. The Chargers

779
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Speaker 1: can beat teams, but they're a little bit like Kansas

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Speaker 1: City last year. They're not blowing people out. They just don't.

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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 5: He's going to try to play in twenty to seventeen,

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Speaker 5: oh every week, they're.

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Speaker 1: Going to be in games with Kansas City. Kansas City

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Speaker 1: doesn't blow people out anymore, or she Rice is a

786
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Speaker 1: bit of a mess. They have a rookie. Chargers won't

787
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Speaker 1: blow people out. They could absolutely beat both of those

788
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Speaker 1: team once. They could beat the Raiders twice. They're over

789
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Speaker 1: unders five and a half. If the kid they drafted,

790
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Speaker 1: if the edge rusher works. By the way, Mems last

791
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Speaker 1: year became a really nice piece. That's why they moved

792
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Speaker 1: off Jerry Judy. They went and got another receiver. I

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Speaker 1: it's hard when I when you say smart coach, good

794
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Speaker 1: offensive line, automatic wins in Division. Bo Nicks had sixty

795
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Speaker 1: one starts. If he's capable, if he's Russell Wilson capable.

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Speaker 1: I think they're like an eight win team. I'm not

797
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Speaker 1: saying playoffs, but five Jesus John five and twelve is Carolina.

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Speaker 1: It's unwatchable. I don't think Denver's gonna be unwatchable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Bo Nick's I remember watching him right

800
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Speaker 5: after the draft. He kind of had some like Jimmy

801
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Speaker 5: Garoppolo Derek Carr coming out of college, and when those

802
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Speaker 5: guys were young, they would have been perfect for Sean

803
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Speaker 5: Payton when he was transitioning away from Drew Brees. You know,

804
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Speaker 5: this team win loss wise. They they've been in the mix,

805
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Speaker 5: but no one really took them that seriously. Seattle's offensive

806
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 5: personnel is pretty awesome. I mean DK Metcalf's like Torell Owens. Oh,

807
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 5: the receivers are great, yeah, Walker, they've improved the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: Their defense, for a team that's drafted defense that's traded

809
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Speaker 5: for defense, has been a knemick these last two years,

810
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 5: which is crazy because you remove the last like three

811
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Speaker 5: year stretch. Pete Carroll's easily one of the best defensive

812
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Speaker 5: minds over the last thirty plus years, right, but it

813
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Speaker 5: it fell apart at the end. Gino Smith I'm not

814
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Speaker 5: the biggest believer, but he has not really been their

815
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Speaker 5: issue of just being competitive. It's their defense. They couldn't

816
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Speaker 5: stop the soul. Well, they get the boy genius from

817
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Speaker 5: Baltimore who easily had the best defense in the league

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Speaker 5: last year. Listen, Stafford's already kind of bitching and moaning

819
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Speaker 5: I need a little more money. And Stafford was awesome

820
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Speaker 5: last year. But that elbow goes. We've seen what happens.

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Speaker 5: If he's on the shelf.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing.

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Speaker 5: If he misses one game, it's another thing. If he

824
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Speaker 5: misses a month and a half. You know, he's the

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Speaker 5: lynchpin of the whole operation. If something were to happen

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Speaker 5: to Stafford, I could see Seattle being right there because

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Speaker 5: you can already tell, like, are the Rams, Like, do

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Speaker 5: we really want to double down on this? It was

829
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Speaker 5: an awesome season. Can we just play out the contract?

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Speaker 5: To me, Seattle is a quarterback away in the next

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Speaker 5: couple of years. I'm sure Schneider is going to be

832
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Speaker 5: all over him in the draft this year. I think

833
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Speaker 5: that they are a very unique spot equipped in the

834
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Speaker 5: future if they could ever find just even get their

835
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Speaker 5: brock Purty or just a guy that's really good cheap contract.

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Speaker 5: They would be a problem because what Mike McDaniel or

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Speaker 5: Mike McDonald did these last two years and specifically last year,

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Speaker 5: I mean they Colin, he embarrassed Kyle Shanahan on Christmas night.

839
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 5: I had a buddy on the Baltimore Raven staff. They

840
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 5: were all calling him boy genius around the room, like

841
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Speaker 5: he is a special defensive schematic guy, and he listened.

842
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Speaker 5: We questioned that that side of the ball running a team,

843
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Speaker 5: but he does inherit players everywhere on offense and we'll see.

844
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Speaker 5: I mean, I and Grub a lot of success coaching.

845
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Speaker 5: Now going to the NFL is a little bit different.

846
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Speaker 5: But what he just did in Washington, a lot of

847
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Speaker 5: NFL people are watching. I'm not shocked to John, you know.

848
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Speaker 5: And uh, they hired him to be the offensive coordinator.

849
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Speaker 5: So they're a team I would say this year is

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Speaker 5: going to be interesting, but they're they're a bo Knicks

851
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Speaker 5: whoever their guy is over the next couple of years

852
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 5: away from being like they could be a problem.

853
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's flip it. Let's find a team that

854
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: we think is a bit overvalued. I want to pull

855
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: back on Houston so badly but Jesus, I just love

856
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: everything they're doing, every move they make, every draft pick.

857
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: I love what Houston's doing.

858
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 5: They're well, they're well run, and they got a good coach,

859
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 5: and they're What their quarterback does is sustainable. He's a

860
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 5: pocket quarterback.

861
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: So you know, I think I think about this. I

862
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: really do wonder if Aaron Rodgers is upright. The Miami

863
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: Dolphins concerned me. Basically, it's a it's a three headed team.

864
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: It's Jalen Waddell, Tyreek Hill, and Tua. Tua was healthy

865
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: last year, one of the only healthy years of his life.

866
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: The Jets, if Aaron's upright, are going to be much better.

867
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: New England's bad. Those are two wins. Buffalo's Buffalo. Their

868
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: schedule is not easy.

869
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: The AFC.

870
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Here comes Burrow, Deshaun Watson's coming back. Aaron Rodgers is

871
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: coming back. Shit man. Last year was the year the

872
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: getting was good. If you're an AFC team like it was,

873
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: it was everybody's banged up. Trevor Lawrence wasn't healthy, Anthony

874
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: Richardson got hurt. CJ. Stroud's a baby, and I look

875
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: at mind.

876
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: I think the Dolphins have like a four game lead

877
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 5: after Thanksgiving. I mean, how the hell did they blow

878
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 5: that division?

879
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: And I look at Miami and I'm like, I could

880
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: see them just I could just see this thing with

881
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: a little injury to too early. I could see it

882
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: nose diving. I think Miami's the team that I think

883
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: to myself, God last year was I mean, they're literally

884
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: weather are affected when they go north and later in

885
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: the season. Miami's the team that everybody's high on. I

886
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: could see it being a bit of a mess. What's yours.

887
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 5: I don't take them seriously at all. I don't care

888
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 5: what their record is. In September, go four and oh

889
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 5: in September, seeing that then they've done that. The best

890
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 5: teams in their conference all playing freezing cold weather, not

891
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 5: like cold weather, frigid weather, right, so they have no shot.

892
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: I think the colt are team that I'm high on.

893
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 5: Their coaches stud your guy Ballard has done a really

894
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 5: good job. I think their rosters really good. They were

895
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 5: a bad Gardner Minshew swing route from beating the Houston

896
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 5: Texans and winning the division. But their quarterback has played.

897
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 5: He's much more physically gifted and much more talented. But

898
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: a little Trey Lancy, he just hasn't played much football

899
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 5: over several years now, so you're you're very dependent on

900
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 5: this guy. It's like, well, if he's awesome, I mean

901
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: I haven't really seen him on the field. And then

902
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 5: last year it's one thing to get hit by ray

903
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 5: Lewis Wright or John Lynch in their prime and get

904
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 5: a broken shoulder or whatever. He had some injuries where

905
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: you're like, I didn't even think that hit was that violent.

906
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 5: And the thing about football is some guys are just durable.

907
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 5: They just this guy, this guy never missed a game

908
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 5: y fifteen years. Yeah, look at Jerry Rice's career, sixteen

909
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: for sixteen, So it just goes on forever. The occasional

910
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: you break a leg or whatever. But like you start

911
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 5: having concussions, shoulder issues. That concerns me. I'm probably gonna

912
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 5: pick them to make the playoffs, but I can't feel good.

913
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 5: I mean, their quarterback has played a combined I don't

914
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: know how many games you played last year, three or four,

915
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 5: and then before coming out of college he had played

916
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 5: thirteen career games. That's the thing with this class, right.

917
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 5: Hens has been playing for six years. Bo Nick's sixty

918
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 5: one career starts Caleb Williams started every game after Oklahoma

919
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: told Spencer Ratler to go, you know, to the pine.

920
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 5: JJ McCarthy like, you've seen these guys be on the

921
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: field for a long time. People get very like you

922
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 5: said with Kyler, Murray, lazy, not into it, terrifies teams.

923
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 5: Half the leaks is out. The injury stuff is tough

924
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 5: because you're like, well, what if just a weird couple

925
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 5: of years stretch and then he plays seven straight years,

926
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 5: or what if it's just something that snowballs. You really

927
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 5: don't know. You're just completely taking an educated guess. Half

928
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: the times the doctors tell you we can't draft this guy.

929
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 5: This guy goes on Navin eight your career and the

930
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 5: doctor tells you to draft this guy. He's got a

931
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 5: degenerate knee. So it's just it's tough. But that is

932
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 5: gonna concern me picking them. But if I picked the Bengals,

933
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 5: isn't Joe Burrows? Yeah, wrist injury that I don't know

934
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 5: if you read about it, it's not like a broken

935
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 5: leg or an ACL that's basically feels like one hundred

936
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 5: percent recovery. It's a much smaller percentage. Not arthritis, but

937
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 5: pain and just the throbbing as you're working back from

938
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 5: it is unavoidable. He's a quarterback, so he kind of

939
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 5: needs to use it. I love watching the guy play,

940
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 5: and he's the only guy in the AFC that went

941
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 5: toe to toe with Mames and took him down on

942
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 5: the road. But like that, that injury is has a

943
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 5: little baseball feel to it, where you're like, that picture

944
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 5: was never the same, right, Yeah, I hope that's not

945
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 5: the case, but it's it's it's scary the volume.

946
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947
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