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Speaker 1: So today we're unpacking this seismic clash between the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: the judiciary, and the broader stakes for Western civilization. We're

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Speaker 1: going to do that with my friend Josh Hammer. He's

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Speaker 1: the host of The Josh Hammer Show and America on

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Speaker 1: Trial and is the author of the new book Israel

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Speaker 1: and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation and the

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Speaker 1: Destiny of the West. He is also a lawyer, so

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Speaker 1: we're going to ask him about the federal courts that

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Speaker 1: have issued over twenty injunctions already. Is this judicial pushback unprecedented?

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Speaker 1: And what does it say about the court's rule. Today

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Speaker 1: we'll dig into the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: dusted off for only the fourth time in history. We'll

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Speaker 1: ask Josh about the Mackmoud Khalil case. His team is

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Speaker 1: saying it's free speech, the government says it's a national

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Speaker 1: security issue. Who's right? Plus, with a conservative Supreme Court looming,

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Speaker 1: will these lower court blocks hold or are we barreling

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Speaker 1: And lastly, we're going to discuss his new book, where

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Speaker 1: he argues that the fate of the West Hinges on

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Speaker 1: Israel security and a realist US foreign policy. Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for my friend Josh Hammer. Well, Josh Hammer, it's great

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show, my friend. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you've had an epic a couple of years here,

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Speaker 1: you got married, you had a little girl, baby girl,

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Speaker 1: and then now your book is crushing it and already

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Speaker 1: sold out on Amazon. So it's been a pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: epic couple of years for you, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: Praise to the big guy upstairs. That's really all I

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Speaker 2: can say. But life light, life is pretty good, my friend,

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Speaker 2: and it's certainly always good to join you as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're a great guy, and so I'm very happy

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Speaker 1: for you, and I'm looking forward to getting in the book.

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Speaker 1: But first we'll get into well, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: it may make sense, right, I mean, the left is

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Speaker 1: You know, I guess how unusual is it for federal

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Speaker 1: and kind of what does that say about the judiciari's

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it does often seem that there are two

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Speaker 2: now two sets of rules. There is one set of

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Speaker 2: rules that applies to Donald Trump, and there's one set

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Speaker 2: when Donald Trump was president the first time around to Lisa,

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Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, by my count,

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Speaker 2: nationwide injunctions, these district court judges purporting to apply their

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Speaker 2: rulings in various cases, not just as it applied to

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Speaker 2: since Donald Trump got into power, and these judges, whether

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Speaker 3: So it is unusual what we are watching.

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Speaker 2: Judge Boseberg did is he said, Okay, my ruling is

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Speaker 2: Sure, so the judicial branch a Article three has extremely

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Speaker 3: There there's really no shortage of tools.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, judicial impeachment is one that's that's getting a lot

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Speaker 2: But I'm not holding out my hope for that. Other

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Speaker 3: So you can do that if you want too.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they should do that. I'm just

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Speaker 1: And how does that play out in public perception? You know?

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Speaker 2: The American people support deporting trendyar Agua. Okay, the American

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Speaker 1: had mentioned the Khalil case, obviously, his team says that

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Speaker 2: Immigration law and constitutional law makes a real heavy distinction,

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Speaker 3: Which means we the people, because we the people are

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Speaker 2: on any visa, and we the people have said enough,

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Speaker 2: we're pulling your card. There, there's also a statutory hook,

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Speaker 2: because even the Immigration Nationality Act explicitly says above and

437
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Speaker 2: beyond what I just said, it says that if you

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Speaker 2: are a supporter of a US recognized FTO, a foreign

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Speaker 2: terrorist organization, then you cannot get a visa. And if

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Speaker 2: it turns out that you lied on your visa paperwork

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Speaker 2: by saying that you're not a supporter checking that box,

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Speaker 2: and then it turns out that you are actually a supporter,

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Speaker 2: then your visa can and should be revoked. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's pretty clearly what happened here as well. So I

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Speaker 2: view the case against Khalil as legally speaking, pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 2: Policy speaking, I think it's clearly obviously the correct thing

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Speaker 2: to do. Frankly, I hope to see a lot more

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Speaker 2: of it as well.

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Speaker 1: Well. I do think the initial reaction to the Brown

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Speaker 1: professor who was sent back to Lebanon was hilarious and

451
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Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, yeah, well, you know, she attended

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Speaker 1: the funeral of Hesbala leader, Like exactly, what the hell

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Speaker 1: have someone like this in America attending the funeral of

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Speaker 1: terror leaders. And I want to move on to your book,

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Speaker 1: but real quick before you do so, you had mentioned

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, you know, weighing in

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Speaker 1: and that statement from him about you know, more than

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Speaker 1: two centuries it has been established that impeachment is not

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Speaker 1: appropriate response to do disagreement, Wait, response to disagree. Promise

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Speaker 1: they can read an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a

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Speaker 1: judicial decision. Why did he weigh in and is that appropriate?

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Speaker 3: It's beyond then appropriate.

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Speaker 2: Roberts is completely and utterly out of line here. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised because he's done this before. So back

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Speaker 2: during Donald Trump's first administration, Trump made some offhand comment,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the context, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: about how there are Republican judges and Democrat judges, and

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Speaker 2: then Roberts issued a statement saying, oh, no, he's an

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Speaker 2: It's not true. We're all non part is in there.

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Speaker 2: And I mean literally, I guess he's right because judges

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Speaker 2: don't run for office wearing an R or a D banner.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, in practice, we all know that what

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Speaker 2: Don Trump was saying was obviously correct. So he's done

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Speaker 2: this before, and this time it's actually even worse because

475
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Speaker 2: he's not correcting what he perceives to be a misperception.

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Speaker 2: He's actually just wrong. I mean, he's literally wrong in

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Speaker 2: this case. As to what impeachment in this case, judicial

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Speaker 2: impeachment is and what it is not. Judicial impeachment is

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Speaker 2: not a far fetched, crazy thing. In fact, the Constitution

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Speaker 2: explicitly countenances it. It explicitly holds it out as a possibility.

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Speaker 2: The language and Article three says that judges shall sit

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Speaker 2: during good behavior, which means that they have life tenure

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Speaker 2: as long as they demonstrate good behavior. And what is

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Speaker 2: good behavior, Well, we actually know from some other legal

485
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Speaker 2: scholarship and the work of lawyers and historians that that

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Speaker 2: phrase has basically the same meaning as high crimes and misdemeanors,

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Speaker 2: which is the presidential Article two impeachment criteria. And then

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Speaker 2: you go back and say, okay, well, what is high

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Speaker 2: crimes and misdemeanors? Well, thankfully, we actually pretty much know

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Speaker 2: the answer to that as well. Alexander Hamilton has his

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Speaker 2: Federalist paper in Federalist number sixty five where he defines

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Speaker 2: high crimes misdemeanors as referring to an abuse of the

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Speaker 2: public trust. So by syllogism here, then we can say

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Speaker 2: that the criteria for both presidential and judicial impeachment is

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Speaker 2: an abuse of the public trust. That's not a legal standard, okay,

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Speaker 2: That is a political standard. That is a standard that

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Speaker 2: requires prudence and statesmanship and the various things that politicians do.

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Speaker 2: It's been that way literally since the origins of the Republic.

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Speaker 2: One of the first acts of digital impeachment was the

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Speaker 2: impeachment of his Preme Court justice by the name of

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Speaker 2: Samuel Chase. Most of the story think that that was

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Speaker 2: a partisan act. It was part of the partisan ranker

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Speaker 2: in the nation's first party system between the Federalist Party

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Speaker 2: of John Adams and John Jay and Alexander Hamilton on

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Speaker 2: the one hand, versus the Jeffersonian Madisonian Party the Democratic Republicans,

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Speaker 2: And maybe it was nat to Parsonship. The point is

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Speaker 2: that it is a political exercise. So for John Roberts

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Speaker 2: to come in here and criticize politicians talking about what

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Speaker 2: is quintessentially a political act is absurd. And the grand

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Speaker 2: irony of Elisa is that, ironically, in saying what he

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Speaker 2: has said, one could plausibly argue if you were trying

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Speaker 2: to be a little too clever by half, that Roberts

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Speaker 2: has himself actually done an impeachable offense.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's ship to well, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: this is all going to be fascinating to continue to

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Speaker 1: watch with all this back and forth, and then hopefully

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Speaker 1: it doesn't impact President Trump from getting some big things

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Speaker 1: done in a short period of time that he's got.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about your book, which is

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Speaker 1: killing it. I mean, it's already out on Amazon, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually sold that on publication Data itself, which

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Speaker 2: is not so although it's being rapidly replenished. So don't

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Speaker 2: hesitate to order on Amazon if your own Clinton.

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Speaker 1: But that is amazing, so tell me. Okay, So the

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Speaker 1: book is Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish

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Speaker 1: Nation and the Destiny of the West. And you argue

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Speaker 1: that the fate of Western civilization is dependent upon the

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Speaker 1: security and thriving of the Jewish people and the Jewish

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Speaker 1: state of Israel. Walk us through that, and walk us

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Speaker 1: through your thesis.

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Speaker 2: Sure so, as you correctly note, the important thing to

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Speaker 2: know about the title of the book, Israel and Civilization

533
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Speaker 2: is that Israel in the title has a double meaning.

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Speaker 2: It's referring, yes, for sure, to the capital s state

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Speaker 2: of Israel, the modern post nineteen forty eight state, but

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Speaker 2: it's very much, arguably even more so, referring to the

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Speaker 2: nation of Israel, the children of Israel, in other words,

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Speaker 2: the Jewish people. And the argument in Lisa is essentially

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Speaker 2: as follows. You know, we talk a lot about Western civilization,

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Speaker 2: and we say that the West is at a crossroads.

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Speaker 2: We can go one direction or the other direction there.

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Speaker 2: But as we just discussed, you know, for twenty five

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Speaker 2: minutes or whatnot. I'm a lawyer and I like to

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Speaker 2: define terms. So what is this West? What is this

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Speaker 2: Western civilization that we're speaking of? Well, I argue in

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Speaker 2: the book that Western civilization is largely synonymous with the

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Speaker 2: Biblical tradition, with the Bible, and with the Jeo Christian tradition.

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Speaker 2: That I stretch all the way back, at least as

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Speaker 2: far back as God's first revelation of his word to

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Speaker 2: Moses and the Israelites at Mount Sinai, and in some

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Speaker 2: of the earlier chapters of this book, I painstakingly attempt

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Speaker 2: to demonstrate that everything from the English common law, to

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Speaker 2: the US Constitution, to the American Founding, and really just

554
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Speaker 2: so much of the everyday norms and ethical considerations that

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Speaker 2: we take for grant him all ultimately go back to

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Speaker 2: the Hebrew Bible. So the relevant question that then, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: is if you if you care about the West, and

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Speaker 2: if the West is as I argue, largely synonymous with

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Speaker 2: with the biblical tradition there, I mean, I mean, how

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Speaker 2: can the West possibly survive if you're just going to

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Speaker 2: forsake the origin of it all? I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're basically just sawing off the tree. You're you're, you're

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Speaker 2: you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. Incidentally,

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Speaker 2: this is something that the American Founders. You know, we

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Speaker 2: talked a lot about the Federals papers and in this

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Speaker 2: in this show, so that you know, the the American

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Speaker 2: Founders understood this completely to a t. So, just to

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Speaker 2: give a couple of examples, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin,

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Speaker 2: they actually wanted the National Seal of the United States

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Speaker 2: to be Moses parting the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln fast forwarding,

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Speaker 2: you know, five six decades later, when not there, Abraham

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Speaker 2: Lincoln famously spoke of Americans as an almost chosen people

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Speaker 2: using this covenantal language found found in the Hebrew Bible,

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Speaker 2: and just on and on and on. You see this

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Speaker 2: play out to me, I mean, Alexander Hamilton actually has

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Speaker 2: this incredible, incredible quote where he says, quote, the state

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Speaker 2: and progress of the Jews from their earliest history to

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Speaker 2: the present time has been so entirely out of the

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Speaker 2: ordinary course of human affairs. Is it not then a

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Speaker 2: fair conclusion that the cause also is an extraordinary one,

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Speaker 2: In other words, that it is the effect of some

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Speaker 2: great providential plan. He's basically saying that one of his

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Speaker 2: reasons to know that God exists is that the Jewish

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Speaker 2: people are still alive, unlike every other nation that existed

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Speaker 2: when they were first formed back in Biblical times. There

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Speaker 2: so this idea that America has forged on Biblical precepts,

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Speaker 2: that the original people of the book have a real

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Speaker 2: role to play here. It is deeply, deeply ingrained in

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Speaker 2: who we are. Just one final example, it's literally there

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Speaker 2: on the liberty bell in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It's a quote

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Speaker 2: from the Book of Leviticus on the outside, THO shall

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Speaker 2: proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof.

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Speaker 2: So you know, people who oppose the West more broadly

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Speaker 2: understand this too, So it actually cuts in both directions.

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Speaker 2: So you know, anti Semites throughout history, they've never actually

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Speaker 2: truly been interested in the Jews. They're always interested in

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Speaker 2: something much greater and more profound than that. So Karl

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Speaker 2: Marx is actually one of my favorite examples here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Carl Marx is typically associated with communism, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 2: But a few years before he wrote the Communist Manifesto,

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Speaker 2: he had this infamously anti Semitic essay called on the

602
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Speaker 2: Jewish Question, where he made very clear his dripping disdain

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Speaker 2: for the Jews. But that's not actually what Karl Marx wanted,

604
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Speaker 2: deep in his very dark heart to achieve, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what Carl Marx wanted to achieve was nothing less than

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Speaker 2: the entire overthrowing of Western capitalism and Western Christendom, western

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Speaker 2: Christian civilization. So whether you're trying to defend the West

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Speaker 2: against the barbarians, you have to understand that it's the

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Speaker 2: Saturday people first, the Jews first, and then the Sunday

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Speaker 2: people the Christians next, And then if you're trying to

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Speaker 2: destroy Western civilization. It's the same thing in reverse. You

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Speaker 2: start with the Saturday people, then you go to the

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Speaker 2: Sunday people in that. You know, this is a reason,

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Speaker 2: for instance, why the transnational institutions like the Nine Nations,

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Speaker 2: they all start with the Jewish State of Israel.

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Speaker 3: But they're not going to stop there, Lisa.

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Speaker 2: They obviously ultimately want to go after the nation state

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Speaker 2: as a concept and whole, including but hardly limited to

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Speaker 2: the United States itself.

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Speaker 1: Well, and we've seeing this play out on college campuses

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Speaker 1: and universities across the country of You know, yes, of

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Speaker 1: course they hate the Jews, but you know, they also

623
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Speaker 1: just hate America and everything we stand for. I guess,

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Speaker 1: what does it mean about where we are as a

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Speaker 1: society today that you feel the need to defend the

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Speaker 1: fate of the Jewish people and defend why it's important

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Speaker 1: to have a secure and thriving Jewish people and Jewish

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Speaker 1: State of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Great question, and it says nothing good about where we're at.

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Speaker 2: Frankly that I felt the need to write this book, Lisa,

631
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Speaker 2: if I'm being very honest with you, this was not

632
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Speaker 2: the original book that I was planning on writing. Actually,

633
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Speaker 2: so back in. You know, I've been a writer for years.

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Speaker 2: I read a weekly sits.

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Speaker 1: So you're beautiful. Yeah, you're very talented.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, thank you. So.

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Speaker 2: But I've written god knows about the op eds columns,

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Speaker 2: law review articles. I've done basically anything everything other than

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Speaker 2: writing a book. So at some point I finally said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's time to write a book, and I started drafting

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Speaker 2: the outline for a totally totally different book that had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do necessarily with the Jews, Israel, foreign policy,

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Speaker 2: any of this stuff. And then October seventh happens, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily write the book in response to October seventh. Rather,

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Speaker 2: I wrote it in response to the reaction to October seventh.

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Speaker 2: So that's actually a lot of the first chapter of

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Speaker 2: the book, as I kind of talk about the just

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Speaker 2: disgusting things, like utterly disgusting things that have been said

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Speaker 2: and done, including within seemingly hours minutes of October seventh itself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I remember when there were thirty two or

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Speaker 2: thirty three Harvard student groups that immediately ganged up to

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Speaker 2: jointly sign a letter within hours of Jewish women Holocaustterviyers

653
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Speaker 2: being slaughtered Jewish babies being butchered. The Harvard students from

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Speaker 2: their dorm rooms in Cambridge, Massachusetts said, oh no, it's

655
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Speaker 2: actually Israel that's to blame for their own beheadings, for

656
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Speaker 2: their own babies being.

657
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Speaker 3: Cooked in ovens.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: It's actually the Jews who are to blame there. And

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Speaker 2: we saw this on and on and on. There was

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Speaker 2: a Hesbalah banner unveiled at Princeton University, the number one

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Speaker 2: ranked university in the country. There we saw Jews forcibly

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Speaker 2: excluded from campuses in UCLA. Columbia is beyond accesspool. It's

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Speaker 2: otherworldly in terms of how bad it is there. So

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Speaker 2: it was really in response to that that I said, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, this whole thing really is starting to go

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Speaker 2: off the rails, and it is time that the Jewish people,

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Speaker 2: and frankly just Judaism itself needs a defense.

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Speaker 3: But it's not. This book is not just the defense

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Speaker 3: of the Jewish people. These I want to be very

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Speaker 3: clear about that.

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Speaker 2: The book is really fundamentally calling for a Biblical restoration.

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Speaker 3: That is above all the core message of the book.

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Speaker 2: It's calling it's calling on Jews and Christians alike to

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Speaker 2: actually fall in love with the Bible and with scripture again,

676
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Speaker 2: and because we face the exact same threats. So in

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Speaker 2: this book, I identify at least three hegemonic threats that

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Speaker 2: seek to destroy all of us. I call them Wokism, Islamism,

679
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Speaker 2: and global neoliberalism. The latter is is globalism. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's the UN and it's the World Economic Forum. It's this,

681
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Speaker 2: it's this homogenizing imperative to stamp out all of our

682
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Speaker 2: differences and to basically turn us into one big blob.

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Speaker 2: So I think Jews and Christians oppose all of these forces.

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Speaker 2: We face the exact same enemies. We have a dramatically

685
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Speaker 2: shared inheritance. We are the two religions of the Bible.

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Speaker 2: And the point is, if you want to be fortified,

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Speaker 2: if you want to have the courage, the fortitude, and

688
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Speaker 2: the and and just the spine, frankly, to actually ward

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Speaker 2: off these three threats and ultimately launch a counter offensive,

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Speaker 2: to to really kind of turn back the tide, and

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Speaker 2: and and and and to and to prevail in this

692
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Speaker 2: grand clash, then you have to stand for something. I mean,

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Speaker 2: value neutrality is never an option. You got to put

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Speaker 2: a forward, an actual vision. You have you got to

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Speaker 2: stand for something. So my argument is that that's something

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Speaker 2: is the Bible itself is our biblical inheritance.

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Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break. More With Josh

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Speaker 1: on the other side, it seemed like for a while,

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Speaker 1: at least after the first Trump administration, that you know,

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Speaker 1: this radical Islamic terrorism was on the run, and that

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Speaker 1: we had conquered it, and that you know, we had won.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, we saw it under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Give rise is weakness. What do you think kind of

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Speaker 1: having a new sheriff in the town will mean for

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Speaker 1: the Middle East? Israel? And then also, you know, reconquering

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Speaker 1: this radical Islamic extremism that has seemed to reared its

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Speaker 1: head again.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's first worth noting that this resurgent

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Speaker 2: Islamism is not limited to the Middle I mean, we

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Speaker 2: obviously see it all throughout Europe. It seems like every

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Speaker 2: other day there is a driver of Syrian or Algerian

712
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Speaker 2: or some other type of origin like that in Germany

713
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Speaker 2: who's plowing himself into pedestrians. You know, it's funny least

714
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Speaker 2: to how these cars just drive themselves into people, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, as if there's no human involved there. I

716
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Speaker 2: mean literally, these media headlines these days, it's like car

717
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Speaker 2: plows over citizens. Okay, well, I mean who's driving the

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Speaker 2: car anyway. Europe is just a total cesspoo when it

719
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Speaker 2: comes to this. But even here in the US, I

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Speaker 2: mean people, I mean, when's last time you've heard anyone

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Speaker 2: mention the fact that on New Year's Day morning, at

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Speaker 2: three am on Bourbon Street in New Orleans, Louisiana, what

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Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen people were slaughtered and there were dozens more injured.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't heard that story mentioned in at

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Speaker 2: least two months. I mean, people just totally forgot about it.

726
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Speaker 2: But that was a radical Muslim who was radicalized at

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Speaker 2: a radical mosque in Houston, Texas. So you know, unfortunately,

728
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Speaker 2: this is not an actual tract issue. Anyone who pays

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Speaker 2: attention to what the imams are saying in places like Dearborn, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: These these people are openly praising hesbala that they are

731
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Speaker 2: talking about, how Hassana's Rawa, that decades long head of

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Speaker 2: of Hesbala is A is a grand martyr. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's here like like we are surrounded in some ways

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Speaker 2: by monsters. We and we we tragically have done this

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Speaker 2: of our own volition. So that's that's part of it.

736
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Speaker 2: That that's that's that's part of it for sure. But

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Speaker 2: part of it also is understanding that the tip of

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Speaker 2: the sphere of all this is is indeed the Jewish

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Speaker 2: State of Israel. I mean, they are, they are the

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Speaker 2: actual ones who are there on the ground in a

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Speaker 2: way that you know that we in in Florida, for instance,

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Speaker 2: aren't necessarily on the ground there when it comes to

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Speaker 2: trying to turn back the tide against these horrific actors.

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Speaker 2: And one thing that that that I do in the

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Speaker 2: Booklese is I have a whole chapter making the case

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Speaker 2: for US Israel relations on explicitly Maga America first foreign

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Speaker 2: policy wheel esques. Because I genuinely am a foreign policy realist,

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Speaker 2: I view every foreign policy decision through the lens of

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Speaker 2: the US national interest. And among the things that I

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Speaker 2: argue in that chapter is I explain how a lot

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Speaker 2: of people ask, oh, my god, the uscives Israel so

752
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Speaker 2: much money, what does the US get out of it?

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Speaker 2: And there are some very obvious answers here. So for instance,

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Speaker 2: last summer, over the course of a few months, Israel

755
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Speaker 2: went on this call three or four month Grand Michael

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Speaker 2: Corleoni and the Godfather as killing spree where they kind

757
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Speaker 2: of just mowed down a lot of their enemies, and

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Speaker 2: the Hassan Asrawa assassination was one of the culminations of that,

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Speaker 2: when he was cowardly hiding in his bunker in Beyroot, Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: But prior to that, Israel, the Ideaf took out two

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Speaker 2: very high ranking hesbology Haatis by the name of Fuad

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Speaker 2: Shakor and Ibraheim Akhiel. And who are Shakor and Akhiel? Well,

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Speaker 2: they are the men responsible for, respectively, the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: three US Marine barrack bombing in Baby Rout, Lebanon, that

765
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Speaker 2: slaughter over twenty forty US Marines, and then Akiel was

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Speaker 2: one who was responsible for the US embassy bombing in

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Speaker 2: Beirut that same year, which killed sixty to seventy. The

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Speaker 2: USA Department has actually had five and seven million dollars

769
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Speaker 2: bounties on those two terrors head for over four decades

770
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Speaker 2: and nothing happened until Israel literally just took them out

771
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Speaker 2: last summer. So again we have the exact same enemies

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Speaker 2: here and one way that America's interest in the region

773
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Speaker 2: can be enhanced while simultaneously allowing us to focus on

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Speaker 2: our own biggest threat, this entry, which is pretty clearly.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, in China.

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Speaker 2: The way to do that is you embolden your allies

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Speaker 2: in the ground who share your interests to patrol and

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Speaker 2: secure the region in a way there were downs to

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Speaker 2: both of your interests. Donald Trump totally gets this. It's

780
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Speaker 2: this precise logic that led to the Abraham Accords peace

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Speaker 2: deal the first time around, and I think it's the

782
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Speaker 2: exact same logic that we're seeing play out in his

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Speaker 2: early second term as well.

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Speaker 1: I also think the way that Israel has sort of

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Speaker 1: prosecuted this campaign against Hamas in such an effective way

786
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Speaker 1: a sort of you know, I guess, makes people a

787
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Speaker 1: little bit more willing to like give aid and to

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Speaker 1: help out, you know, because they're winning, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're the you know, the end goal seems to

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Speaker 1: be in sight, right, you know. Whereas if you compare

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Speaker 1: that to what's going on in Ukraine, it's, you know,

792
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Speaker 1: just we're just sort of like endlessly giving them money

793
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Speaker 1: with no en insight and no clear object you know.

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Speaker 1: So so I think sort of just the sort of

795
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Speaker 1: the nature of the fight is obviously a lot different.

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Speaker 1: You know, how how much does it matter to have

797
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Speaker 1: a president because we've got President Trump now, and you know,

798
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Speaker 1: obviously he's taking Columbia University to task for you know,

799
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Speaker 1: their role in anti Semitism and allowing it to foster

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Speaker 1: on campus and just the way they've handled everything and

801
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Speaker 1: some of these people they've employed, and just you know,

802
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Speaker 1: all of it right, and so you've got a guy saying, look,

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism is wrong, we don't want terrorists in the country.

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Speaker 1: If you're here on a green carter a visa and

805
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Speaker 1: you hate him America, like you're out, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then you compare that to what we saw under the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, where like he was so desperate to win

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Speaker 1: over Muslim voters that like he was so tepid and

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Speaker 1: his response to everything, it didn't really go out and

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Speaker 1: condemn what was happening. And how much does it matter

811
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Speaker 1: just to have like the guy taught being like, these

812
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Speaker 1: are our values as a country and this is what

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Speaker 1: the United States stands on. Now.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it makes a world of difference. I

815
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Speaker 2: think it makes an absolutely massive difference. Look, I mean,

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Speaker 2: in today's day and age, the president is really the

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Speaker 2: tribune of the people. I mean that the president is

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Speaker 2: the one who is the single indispensable figure in the

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Speaker 2: federal government. And we can debate whether or not that's

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Speaker 2: the way that it was supposed to be. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this debate was actually had at the founding Frankly, I

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Speaker 2: mean you had the Jeffersonians, who are more favorable towards

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Speaker 2: congressional power. Then you had the Hamiltonians, who are more

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Speaker 2: pro executive power. So that's a very old debate. But

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Speaker 2: regardless of the debate, the empirical obvious reality is that

826
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Speaker 2: the president is the single most important figure and.

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Speaker 3: He sets a tone.

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Speaker 2: I mean he sets a tone both substantively and rhetorically.

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Speaker 2: So when you have a president of the United States

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Speaker 2: who's out there speaking of hamas has baalah Aran, who

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Speaker 2: ths just the radical Islamic cancer, the way that Donald

832
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Speaker 2: Trump is talking about him, then I mean that that

833
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Speaker 2: goes a really really, really really long way. So for instance,

834
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Speaker 2: right now, when it comes to Gaza, I think the

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Speaker 2: ball is very clearly in Benjamin Nintennah Who's court, because

836
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Speaker 2: Donald Truv has all but said to Prime Minister Natanya

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Speaker 2: who dude, go in and finish the job. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he hasn't said it literally that explicitly, but he's all

839
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Speaker 2: but said it. He's talked about how the gates of

840
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Speaker 2: hell are going to open, there will be hell to pay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's used very, very fiery rhetoric here. And

842
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Speaker 2: the thing from Nta Yahuo's perspective that I hope, indeed

843
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Speaker 2: I pray that he understands is that Donald Trump is

844
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Speaker 2: a leader who abhorrors weakness and respects strength. So when

845
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Speaker 2: he tells you to do something you really ought to

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Speaker 2: do it or else, you're gonna start looking very weak

847
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Speaker 2: in his eyes. And that that weakness, in turn is

848
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Speaker 2: what we'll we'll we'll cause Donald Trump to to to

849
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Speaker 2: make him lose respect for you. Actually, so I I

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Speaker 2: I hope Lisa, that that this time is finally the

851
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Speaker 2: time that Israel finishes the job. I'm cautiously optimistic that

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Speaker 2: it will be. As far as the time frame on

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Speaker 2: that that, I just have no idea. Now, it's worth

854
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Speaker 2: pointing out that regardless of what the resolution ends up

855
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Speaker 2: being in Gaza, and again, I hope and pray that

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Speaker 2: it ends with Moss fully being eradicated. There's not going

857
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Speaker 2: to be full scale stability in the Middle East anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: I wish, I wish that there were, that there would be,

859
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Speaker 2: but the the reality is that as long as the

860
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Speaker 2: Iranian regime that is currently there is in power, there's

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Speaker 2: going to be instability in the region because that that

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Speaker 2: that is a cancerous regime, that that funds all sorts

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Speaker 2: of of jihad, not just throughout the region when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the Houthis, when it comes to hasbalah Hamas

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Speaker 2: and over and over again, but frankly, Iran funds a

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Speaker 2: lot of this all throughout the world as well. So

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Speaker 2: at some point that regime is going to have to go.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the United States should get involved militarily.

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Speaker 2: I've never said that, because it's not my stance. I

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Speaker 2: do think that the Trump campaign had it basically correct

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Speaker 2: the first time when it comes to this maximum pressure

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Speaker 2: campaign when it comes to crippling sanctions and just trying

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Speaker 2: to kind of choke them off and kind of get

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Speaker 2: the people to topple their own regime there. That seems

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Speaker 2: to be basically the game plan this time around as well,

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Speaker 2: and I'm certainly hardened by that.

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Speaker 1: And then before we go. What do you hope people

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Speaker 1: take away from.

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Speaker 3: Your book, Lisa, I want, above all.

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Speaker 2: Multiple things, I would say, on a very short term,

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Speaker 2: kind of practical political level, I want a lot of

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Speaker 2: younger people, younger conservatives, maybe above all, younger Christians who

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Speaker 2: might be kind of tempted to go the way of

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Speaker 2: Candice Owans and various other online provideurs. I hope that

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Speaker 2: they remember that there's nothing that's quote unquote neocon or

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Speaker 2: quote unquote Bush administration about the Israel issue. I hear

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Speaker 2: a lot of young people these days just just dismissing

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Speaker 2: US Israel relations out of him because they say, it's

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Speaker 2: like your grandfather's issue. It's a Bush administration issue, it's

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Speaker 2: a Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld issue. And again that's just

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Speaker 2: simply not true. I mean, Donald Trump is the most

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Speaker 2: pro Israel president of American history, and he's not a Neocon.

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Speaker 2: He is a hard headed Jacksonian realist because he understands

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Speaker 2: that the realist case for USS relations is overwhelming. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: it's actually a much stronger case than making the same

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Speaker 2: case on explicitly moralistic neocon terms. So it's probably honestly strong,

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Speaker 2: but in both cases, but the real's case is honestly

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Speaker 2: even stronger. So I hope that that message resonates. I

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Speaker 2: have a whole chapter on it. It's chapter seven in

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Speaker 2: the book. The broader, kind of more abstract philosophical message

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Speaker 2: is I really, really hope that Jews and Christians alike

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Speaker 2: are are inspired by my strong, repeated urge to re

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Speaker 2: engage with scripture and to basically just try to fall

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Speaker 2: in love with our biblical inheritance again, because this country, America,

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Speaker 2: really was founded as an ecumenical, biblical country. It was

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Speaker 2: founded on biblical precepts. Many of the great men in

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Speaker 2: our country's history understood this, just as Joseph's story, he

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Speaker 2: was one of the greatest conservative justice on the on

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Speaker 2: screen court in the nineteenth century, famously said that America

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Speaker 2: adapted the English common law at our founding.

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Speaker 3: We adopted it.

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Speaker 2: And then he also said that Christianity itself was actually

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Speaker 2: part of the English common law. So the great jurists,

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Speaker 2: the great statesmen have understood that the Bible and the

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Speaker 2: two Biblical religions are are inextricable from what this country is.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really hoping, I mean my ideal hope of hopes.

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Speaker 2: Lisa I'm not saying that one book can possibly accomplish this,

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Speaker 2: but my ideal hope of hopes is to possibly try

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Speaker 2: to spark some sort of biblical restoration. I I think back,

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Speaker 2: you know, I was very lucky. My first TV hit

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Speaker 2: on this book was with Mark Levin this past Sunday

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Speaker 2: on his Fox News show. And what Mark said in

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Speaker 2: talking about the book, because Mark wrote an extraordinarily generous,

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Speaker 2: generous blurb for this book, but what he said on

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Speaker 2: air on his Fox show is that if enough people

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Speaker 2: read this book, then there's going to be a renaissance

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Speaker 2: in this country.

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Speaker 3: And that's very kind of Mark.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, but that really is my heart of hearts, you

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Speaker 2: know that that's my dream come true, is that enough

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Speaker 2: Jews and Christians alike here and that we actually have

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Speaker 2: a biblical restoration, a biblical renaissance there that, truly, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: I think would actually, genuinely, honest to God, make America

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Speaker 2: and by extension, the entire West great again.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am proud of my friend Israel and civilization.

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Speaker 1: The fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of

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Speaker 1: the West is out everywhere you can go get books,

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Speaker 1: and Amazon's replenishing so you can buy it there too.

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Speaker 1: But very proud of my friend and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: that this is a success, and i hope that that

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Speaker 1: success just continues to grow.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Lisa, is so great to chat with you.

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Speaker 1: That was Josh Hammer, author of Israel and Civilization, The

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Speaker 1: Fate of the Jewish Nation, and the Destiny of the West.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate him taking the time to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week until next time.