WEBVTT - Kenny Chesney 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.119 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Leftsets podcast. My 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.680 guest today is Kenny Chesney, who's got a new word 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:22.280 of biography, part life Music. Kenny, Why this book? Why now? 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.520 Well, Bob, I have been really running pretty hard for 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:33.880 a while, and there was always, uh, I've always been driven. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.440 I've always been insanely creative, which hasn't left a lot 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:46.080 of time for reflecting. And when Holly and I first 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:47.559 started thinking about this. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.520 Holly Gleison, your co writer, Holly Lison. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.880 My co writer, and we thought about all the roads 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.320 have gone down, We thought about, you know, all the 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.240 people that did it with me, and I just decided 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.600 that I'd better write it down now because there was 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.480 some hazy years. You know, we had a lot of 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.160 fun out there. But I also, you know, I wanted 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.520 to champion pay tribute to a lot of people that 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.960 championed me along the way also, And that's why now 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.559 I felt like now that was the best time, because 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.679 I still feel very creative and and want to move forward, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.240 and but I just haven't. I just have not let 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:33.520 myself reflect that much. And until I sat down with 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.240 Holly Gleeson, and that's been like a year and something experience. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.560 So but I'm really glad we did it. You know, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:45.040 it's like almost like therapy. Every time, you know, in therapy, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.080 they had you tell the story over and over again, 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.680 and every time you tell it, you remember something else. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.480 And that's that's a lot about what writing this book 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:52.960 was Likeve. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.880 So what did you learn writing the book yourself? 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:03.400 That's a great question. I have learned that how powerful 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.320 dreams can be. I was a kid, like we say 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.200 in the book, I literally I lived with my grandmother. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.360 My mom and my real father divorced when I was one, 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.400 and so my mom married my stepfather after that, and 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.440 he was a Vietnam So we lived with my grandmother 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.160 and I would lay out in her backyard at night 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.600 and stare up at the sky because there was really 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.760 no we were so far out outside of Knoxville. We 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.919 we didn't get any light pollution, you know. So when 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.440 it was when it was dark and clear, it was beautiful. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.800 And I was dreaming, Bob, But I didn't know what 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.520 the dream was. I was just dreaming to dream, like 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.600 I said in the book. But I was just so 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.440 curious about what was past my county line, what was 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.079 past the only roads I knew to go down with 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.240 the roads to school, the roads to church with my grandmother, 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:04.799 the rose to the ballpark, and that was about it. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:10.000 And every Christmas, my grandfather would be the guy that goes, Hey, 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:11.280 we're all going to get in the car. We're going 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.799 to go to Knoxville to see the lights, right, And 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.120 he was also the person that would sit there and go, Wow, 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.920 I wonder what that lot bills costing them. So I 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.000 don't know. I think about that kid, and I think 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:27.880 about the person that I am now, and I just 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.400 think about how powerful my journey has been, about how 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.040 many and how my life has changed, and how many 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.840 how it changed the lives of people that have come 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.800 along with me. And that's a very powerful, profound thing 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.440 because we all came from different places, we all have 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:47.840 different religious beliefs, we all have different political beliefs, but 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.760 somehow we all play the same notes. And I think 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:51.440 that's beautiful. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:57.000 Okay, are you talking the book about burnout? You don't 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.080 use that actual term, but you say one thing. You're 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.760 on stage and again you can barely finish the gieg. 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.880 Yeah, I had, And I hesitate saying this because my 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.040 heroes have been on the road their whole life, right 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.040 they have. And now I've been on I have been 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.080 doing this for over thirty two years now, believe it 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.120 or not. But there was a moment in two thousand 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:26.839 and nine where I went on the road in November 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:32.200 of ninety three, and I did not stop mentally, emotionally, physically, 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:37.520 creatively at all until that night in Indianapolis. And that 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.760 was two thousand and nine. So with that sixteen years. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.560 So it was a constant, constant, and I felt numb. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:46.919 I didn't feel like I was listening to music the 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.120 same way. I didn't feel like I was creating the 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:54.160 same way. I didn't feel like that I was. I 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.240 just felt I didn't felt good or bad. I just 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.599 felt numb. And that's not the way to make music. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.960 That's not the way to create. And I wasn't a 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:06.400 great friend. I wasn't a great son. I wasn't I 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.400 just was just lost, you know, And I didn't I 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.320 was really scared because I really loved what I do, 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.479 but I could and I could just tell that I 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.880 wasn't the same up there, and I wasn't giving like 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.680 I used to, and I got really scared, and that's 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.880 why I took all of twenty ten off. I just 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:31.320 needed a break, and that's when I had already had 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:36.000 Boys of Fall recorded, and we went when I had 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.800 some time off that fall to start shooting. It was 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.400 a long form video for that song. And then when 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:45.960 we got done with it, I went and played it. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:51.360 I met the guy who was ahead of things at 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.840 ESPN at the time. His name was John Walsh. I 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.640 met him with Jimmy Buffett at the super Bowl party 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.080 a couple of years at a super Bowl party a 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.400 couple of years prior, and he said, if you ever 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.760 you know, told me if I ever wanted anything him 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.400 to look at anything, to call him. So when I 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.760 had that long form video, I sent it to him 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:14.640 and that was the beginning of a whole other chapter 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.280 for me. That's when we all of a sudden, I 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.440 am in the living rooms of Bobby Balden, Nick Saban, 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.400 Bill Parcells. I flew to San Francisco and was in 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.240 John Madden's. It wasn't his house. He had this big 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.159 warehouse and he had big screen TVs all over it 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.520 in a big kitchen, and all of a sudden, I'm 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.120 in places like that interviewing these people that were very 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.479 that were giants in football. My dad was a coach. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.160 Sports was always very important to me. So walking into 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.920 those rooms, I was like, Wow, this is this is 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:59.200 really different. But it was feeding me creatively in ways 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:04.840 that music wasn't at that time. And I spent all 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.280 of twenty ten making that documentary and it was on 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:13.040 ESPN for a good while about it took something different 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:18.160 like that to feed me in ways that I never 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.600 saw coming. I mean, I was in Joe NAMA's house 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.120 in Florida and we weren't talking about football. We were 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.680 talking about life. We were talking about how life is 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.760 not just to get you know, how football is at 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.320 a game, and how life is a game egle. But 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.520 life is the big game and you can't do it alone. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.880 You've got to have people around you. I didn't expect 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.520 that stuff to come out of Joe Namas mouth. I 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.520 was like wow, I mean, I was so inspired, and 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.680 all of a sudden, there was a moment where I felt, Wow, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:51.760 I'm back, I'm really back. And then I started listening. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:56.720 I started listening differently. I mean, my manager, Dell Morris, 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.040 some of the best advice he gave me was there's 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.720 a fine line between a groove and a rut. And 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.040 you know what's really bad is when you think you're 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.600 in a groove, but you're really in a rut. And 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.320 I was in a rut for a minute. I mean 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.520 you may not, you know, I see it all the time, 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.360 and we all see it. You know, everybody keeps making 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:21.120 the same music. Well, they're in a rut. And I 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.080 could have stayed and kept doing what I was doing, 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.000 but the boys that year I took off and getting 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.720 out of the rut Boys Will Fall helped me find 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.640 my groove again. And had I not done that, I 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.800 would have been off in an exhaustion oblivion. 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.760 How do you avoid falling into a rut and getting 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.040 burned out going forward? 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:48.079 Well, I think that just creatively, I feel right now 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:54.079 I'm taking better care of myself more than ever, I think, physically, mentally, everything. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.160 I think that for me, I try to write with 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.640 different people, and I try to I think when you've 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.000 been doing this as long as I have now, it's 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.000 very easy to get caught in the same if you 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.400 will rut melodically, especially as a writer, and so I 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.640 try to write with new people. I try to write 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.360 with younger writers that have fresh brains and doesn't have 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.600 this same neural pathway as I do. I think that's 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.760 that's the thing, is creating different roads to go down 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.920 in different neural pathways. And that's what I that I've 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.839 been trying to do, you know, for a while now. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.640 But moving forward is I just always try to keep it, 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.559 try to keep it fresh and write and be around. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.400 It's not doesn't always work out, but I mean there's 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.400 there's some great new riters in town, you know, and 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.080 that has a different They just have a different way 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.200 of thinking. And for me that's been writing the same 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.120 way for a while. That's really good to create those 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.199 neural pathways. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.280 Okay, but what's driving you? You know, you're living in 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:03.440 the booney you have a dream, you take yourself to 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.760 Nashville after college, and let's just go to the end. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:12.079 You achieve your dream. Yes, you're in the Country Music 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.840 Hall of Fame. You can't be any bigger in country music. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.600 So what gets you up in the morning? What makes 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.839 you say, well, I want fact that I don't have that, 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.080 or I want to achieve this. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.520 I would I would sincerely hope that I haven't written 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.640 my best song yet, And I sincerely hope that I 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.160 haven't made my best record yet. The idea of being better. 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.000 I try to be better. I you know, I don't 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:41.640 act like I used to out there on the road. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.960 It's pretty boring out there. I remember you being in 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.760 LA when we played the Staples Center. It was called 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.439 then you know so, and we had a big party afterwards. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.200 I mean it was We used to do that every 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.319 night and it was great. But I hadn't make a 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:03.199 decision right around I don't know, about fifteen years about ten, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.480 fifteen years ago, if I was going to do that, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:07.960 or if I was going to do this, you know, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.480 if I was going to act like that all the 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.720 time and do that. Because I realized that I couldn't 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.400 do both. I couldn't live that lifestyle and give the 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:20.160 audience exactly what they deserved. And I didn't go down 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.760 all these roads to mail it in, you know, And 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.040 I just had a I don't know, I had to 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.520 come into Jesus meeting with myself in a way you 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.720 know where I said, no, you're you're going to give 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.959 these people care about your music, they care about you, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:40.880 they care about the experience, and not only are they 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.760 going to get all of you, they're going to get 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:43.280 the best of you. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:49.720 Okay, you reference therapy earlier. You reference a therapist in 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:54.480 the book. When did you start going? Do you still go? 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:55.400 Did it help? 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.760 Oh? Well that was only went once they made me 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.560 do that, or yes they helped? I think we should all, 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:09.160 you know, I try really hard to be in shape physically, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.000 to go do what I do. My show is I 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.560 don't sit there and tap my toe. I have video 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.000 footage of me as a child in my grandmother's kitchen 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.960 listening to music, and I almost stand the same way 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.520 and move the same way. That being said, I think 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.880 it's also important for you to work out your brain too. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:37.080 And yes, hell, you know you're talking the book about 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.760 eating the same meal and eating clean and you're eating 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.480 one day and people are eating the other way? What 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.800 is driving you there? I'm sure you know you want 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.760 to be in shape, but is it also a physicality? 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.800 And don't you feel deprived that you can't have, you know, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.560 the junk that other people haven't. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.920 Well, look, I come from a family of emotional eaters, right, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.880 and I grew up loving to eat. I loved to eat. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:10.600 But I don't necessarily feel deprived, I would say I 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.920 when I made this life choice and change. I was 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.720 still on one bus, so it was it was me 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.680 and the band, and we were pulling a trailer with 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.600 all the merch right, and they would get pizza after 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.280 the show and it would be the most excruciating thing ever. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.120 So I would just open the box and smell it 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.840 and go to bed. But yeah, I mean sometimes I 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.680 feel deprived. But look, I will tell you when I'm 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.600 off the road, when I'm done. For the last how 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.800 many years, we've ended our shows. Ended our tour with 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.960 two nights in Foxboro and at Gillette Stadium, and I 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.840 trust me, I make up for it as soon as 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.880 that the next day for a while. And so but 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.760 I don't know, just being I'm so driven, and so 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.440 when I'm up there on stage, I don't it's I've 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.600 just built this. I don't know if it's a persona 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.400 or whatever it is, and it's I don't even know 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.520 how sustainable it is, to be honest with you, but 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.280 that's the way I've done it. And but I wouldn't 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:18.800 say deprived, but I I know I'm missing out, but 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.160 I'd rather do what I do. I'll eat later. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.720 Well, any other vices, so to speak. 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:33.920 None no, not really. I'm I'm I'm as pretty boring 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.400 to be honest with you. I mean, I'm one of 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.320 the reasons that I you know, one of one of 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.600 the reasons I got tired while we were talking earlier, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.680 and is doing what I do the way I do 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:52.400 it is sometimes feels I wouldn't say like I sacrificed, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.000 but I will tell you it. Sometimes it feels very robotic. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.040 So I have to go. I have to go jump 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.200 in the ocean. I have to go feel sunlight. I 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.360 have to I have to get out of my head 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:06.320 a little bit, you know. So, But that's the way 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.720 it's been for me, and it is every year. Around 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.640 the second week of January, I flipped I flipped the 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.240 switch off, and I go, Okay, now I start living 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.240 my life almost like it's like it's through a straw, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.600 like this is all you see. And I work out, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.479 I eat clean, I create, and I'm like, when we're 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.520 we already know right now that in June when we 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.800 go play the Spear again, that we're going to have 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.600 to change half that show. It took us a long 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.560 time to create that content. Well here we are almost, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:46.080 you know, almost the end of the year. And we're 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:52.240 already working forward on that. So it's just a constant cycle. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.160 But you know, look, I love it, I really do, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.280 and I love being able to see what we can 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.880 create up there. But but that being said, I have 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.160 to sit there and go, Okay, now you're gonna eat 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.240 at Christmas, you're gonna eat it Thanksgiving, you're gonna go 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.160 to the Islands, you're gonna you're gonna get on a boat, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.160 you're gonna, you know, do whatever. But it's second week 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.600 of January. You've got to prepare to start being that person. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.400 And that has been the cycle I've been on for 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:23.120 a lot of years. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.920 Okay, you go on the road, you finish in Foxborough. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.720 How long does it take you to decompress from being 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:32.280 on the road. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.120 Well, in twenty twenty four was like, we didn't do 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.960 stadium shows last year. In twenty twenty four was the 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.080 last one, and it took a minute. To be honest 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.880 with you, there is and I don't know why, but 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:55.280 that year specifically, I felt a real emotional and mental 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.160 release from it all because you and I wasn't prepared 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:01.680 for it. It was really hard, and there was such 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.280 a calm down from all of it. And you know, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:10.520 for years I've I took my band and crew, probably 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.800 one hundred people all down more than that to the 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.520 Virgin Islands after after every tour and let them jump 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.760 in the ocean and just let us celebrate the life 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:24.600 we get to live. Well, that specific year, I was 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:29.800 just emotionally so tired, and it was the first time 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:35.280 that I felt that emotional and mental release that hard. 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.080 And I don't know why, but it messed with me 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.800 a little bit, you know, and it was it took 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.600 it took about a month for me to go, oh, wait, 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.720 where did everybody go? You know, because we're just all 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.280 together for so long, and you live every day out there, 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.160 and these people that have been with me have been 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.119 with me for years. I mean, we're a family out there. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.840 But yeah, it's it's hard to say goodbye to that. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.480 To me, it's a lot like our last show of 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.920 the year. Is a lot like when we were kids. 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.440 It was a lot like the last day of school, right. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.240 I mean, you're ready for a break, but you don't 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.359 want to let go of it either because it's so great. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.480 And that's how it is for me, you know, I 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.800 look forward to my summer vacation but I start to 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.680 get antsy if I say it still too long. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:29.200 Okay, On a more a granular level, you're out there 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.280 playing maybe to fifty thousand people. You leave the stage, 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.840 you have the same people you might have known for decades. 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.080 How long did it take you to wind down and 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.000 go to sleep after a show? 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:50.760 Well, I haven't slept in years. I don't feel like 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.080 you know. I've my brain. The one side of my 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.160 brain is turning one way or the other side terms 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.640 the other, and I got to find the happy medium 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:03.960 in there. It takes a couple hours, you know. But 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.639 my after show, what after shows look like now, is 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.159 much different than when I met you originally, and when 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.520 I when all this, than when my life really changed. 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.840 Like I look forward to after the show, I don't don't. 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.159 I don't drink like I used to. I don't I 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.119 don't live that lifestyle. I truly like now. I have 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.080 an ice tub out outside my bus that my friend 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:30.880 Lard Hamilton. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.560 Let me start, How the fuck do you know Lard Hamilton? 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.639 I know Lard Hamilton for years. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:43.440 I mean no, wait, in the book, you are constantly 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:49.240 talking about different people, but you have relationships with these people. 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.639 It's not here one. It's not like you said, Nolly, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.600 I met that person, we had a conversation. No, we continue, 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.080 you know, etcetera. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.399 Here's how I met Lard Hamilton is the girl that 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.639 I was dating at the time, Mary. She and I 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.840 were in Maui and there was a lady that was 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.000 cooking us breakfast every morning, and she goes, well, where 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.760 are you guys going next? I said, well, I've never 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.960 been to Kawhi. We're going to go to Kawai. She goes, well, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.520 you should call Laird Hamilton. I said, well, he don't 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.040 know me. I don't know him, you know, why should 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.520 I call him? But I did, and him and his 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.600 wife Gabby met us down at their barn right on 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.400 the river in Kawai, and they let us go out 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.240 on their paddle boards and when we got back, they 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.800 had two open coconuts in our jeep and that was 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.080 the beginning of our friendship. And I've been they have 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.520 really been a positive impact on my life, you know, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.000 mentally and physically. I go up there and train with 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:48.880 Laird and it's a grueling thing, but yeah, I mean 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:53.560 I this goes to show you how powerful the universe is. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.480 I mean, the kid from me Tennessee is not supposed 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.760 to be friends with Larr at Hamilton, right, That's just 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.240 the way it is, or even met all these people 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.720 that I that I reference in the book. So but Laird, 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.159 I spent countless days up at Laird's house, setting in 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.479 asauna and getting an ice tub. I went, wow, this 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.040 is what I need out on the road, you know, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:17.280 because I beat my body up so much during a 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.080 show that I went, well, I need to get an 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.679 ice instead of acting like I used to, I need 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.560 to set an ice tub and let my body heal 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.280 and then go to bed. So that's basically what after 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.160 shows look like now. And it's become a thing out 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:36.600 there like now. Like I told you earlier, I take 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:38.800 a lot of Bandon crew down to the Islands after 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.960 our tour. Well, one of the caveats is is they 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:45.160 have to at least participate onints in the Cold Plunge, 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:46.960 and if they don't get in the Cold Plunge, then 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:50.359 they don't get to go. So it'll be okay. We 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:52.439 got two weeks left in the tour, and there's I 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.920 know exactly how many people haven't hadn't done it yet, 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.679 and so so and I know who they are, and 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.640 so if they want to go, they got to get 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.520 in that ice tub. And last day of the tour 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.280 is always really fun because everybody has to pay the 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.000 piper and they got to get that ice And it's 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.439 taught me a lot about I know, I'm off the 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.280 subject now, but it's taught me a lot about human 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:16.760 behavior because you never know how people are going to 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:22.359 react under pressure. Some react favorably, some react unfavorably, and 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.560 it teaches you a lot about that person, you know. 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.040 So it been it's so fun to watch them, to 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:31.240 watch that game in the ice it's great. But Lair 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:32.040 taught me all that. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:37.280 Okay, once again, a little more granular. You have the 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:39.440 people they don't you know, there's some people who die 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.960 that jump in the water. That's what the other people 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.000 they would do anything. So what did you learn about 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:46.320 people observing this? 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.280 Well, it gets everybody out of their comfort zone. I 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:55.520 mean everybody. They'll participate, but I don't know. Here's what 0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:01.480 it does. As terrible as it is for some of them, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.480 it does it's a bonding moment for all of us. 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:07.800 That's what I learned. I mean, next thing, you know, 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.360 there's fifty people around that coplonde watching everybody do it, 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.080 and it just brought us all together in ways that 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.600 you don't you don't see. You don't see that coming, right, 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:21.840 But it's just human behavior is a tricky thing, and 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.399