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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Leftsets podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Kenny Chesney, who's got a new word

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Speaker 1: of biography, part life Music. Kenny, Why this book? Why now?

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Speaker 2: Well, Bob, I have been really running pretty hard for

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Speaker 2: a while, and there was always, uh, I've always been driven.

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Speaker 2: I've always been insanely creative, which hasn't left a lot

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Speaker 2: of time for reflecting. And when Holly and I first

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Speaker 2: started thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: Holly Gleison, your co writer, Holly Lison.

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Speaker 2: My co writer, and we thought about all the roads

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Speaker 2: have gone down, We thought about, you know, all the

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Speaker 2: people that did it with me, and I just decided

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Speaker 2: that I'd better write it down now because there was

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Speaker 2: some hazy years. You know, we had a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun out there. But I also, you know, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to champion pay tribute to a lot of people that

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Speaker 2: championed me along the way also, And that's why now

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Speaker 2: I felt like now that was the best time, because

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Speaker 2: I still feel very creative and and want to move forward,

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Speaker 2: and but I just haven't. I just have not let

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Speaker 2: myself reflect that much. And until I sat down with

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Speaker 2: Holly Gleeson, and that's been like a year and something experience.

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Speaker 2: So but I'm really glad we did it. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's like almost like therapy. Every time, you know, in therapy,

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Speaker 2: they had you tell the story over and over again,

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Speaker 2: and every time you tell it, you remember something else.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's a lot about what writing this book

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Speaker 2: was Likeve.

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Speaker 1: So what did you learn writing the book yourself?

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I have learned that how powerful

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Speaker 2: dreams can be. I was a kid, like we say

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Speaker 2: in the book, I literally I lived with my grandmother.

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Speaker 2: My mom and my real father divorced when I was one,

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Speaker 2: and so my mom married my stepfather after that, and

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Speaker 2: he was a Vietnam So we lived with my grandmother

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Speaker 2: and I would lay out in her backyard at night

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Speaker 2: no we were so far out outside of Knoxville. We

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Speaker 2: we didn't get any light pollution, you know. So when

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Speaker 2: it was when it was dark and clear, it was beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And I was dreaming, Bob, But I didn't know what

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Speaker 2: the dream was. I was just dreaming to dream, like

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Speaker 2: I said in the book. But I was just so

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Speaker 2: past the only roads I knew to go down with

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Speaker 2: the roads to school, the roads to church with my grandmother,

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Speaker 2: the rose to the ballpark, and that was about it.

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Speaker 2: And every Christmas, my grandfather would be the guy that goes, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're all going to get in the car. We're going

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Speaker 2: to go to Knoxville to see the lights, right, And

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Speaker 2: he was also the person that would sit there and go, Wow,

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Speaker 2: I wonder what that lot bills costing them. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I think about that kid, and I think

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Speaker 2: about the person that I am now, and I just

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Speaker 2: think about how powerful my journey has been, about how

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Speaker 2: many and how my life has changed, and how many

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Speaker 2: how it changed the lives of people that have come

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Speaker 2: along with me. And that's a very powerful, profound thing

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Speaker 2: because we all came from different places, we all have

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Speaker 2: different religious beliefs, we all have different political beliefs, but

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Speaker 2: that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you talking the book about burnout? You don't

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Speaker 1: use that actual term, but you say one thing. You're

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Speaker 1: on stage and again you can barely finish the gieg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had, And I hesitate saying this because my

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Speaker 2: heroes have been on the road their whole life, right

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Speaker 2: they have. And now I've been on I have been

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Speaker 2: doing this for over thirty two years now, believe it

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Speaker 2: or not. But there was a moment in two thousand

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Speaker 2: of ninety three, and I did not stop mentally, emotionally, physically,

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Speaker 2: creatively at all until that night in Indianapolis. And that

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Speaker 2: So it was a constant, constant, and I felt numb.

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I was listening to music the

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Speaker 2: That's not the way to create. And I wasn't a

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Speaker 2: I met the guy who was ahead of things at

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Speaker 2: ESPN at the time. His name was John Walsh. I

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Speaker 2: John Madden's. It wasn't his house. He had this big

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Speaker 2: that were giants in football. My dad was a coach.

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Speaker 2: Sports was always very important to me. So walking into

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Speaker 2: talking about life. We were talking about how life is

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Speaker 2: not just to get you know, how football is at

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Speaker 2: life is the big game and you can't do it alone.

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Speaker 2: You've got to have people around you. I didn't expect

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Speaker 2: a fine line between a groove and a rut. And

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Speaker 2: you know what's really bad is when you think you're

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Speaker 2: the same music. Well, they're in a rut. And I

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Speaker 2: my groove again. And had I not done that, I

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Speaker 1: How do you avoid falling into a rut and getting

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that just creatively, I feel right now

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Speaker 2: I'm taking better care of myself more than ever, I think, physically, mentally, everything.

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Speaker 2: I think that for me, I try to write with

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Speaker 2: will rut melodically, especially as a writer, and so I

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Speaker 2: this same neural pathway as I do. I think that's

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Speaker 2: But moving forward is I just always try to keep it,

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Speaker 2: It's not doesn't always work out, but I mean there's

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Speaker 1: Okay, but what's driving you? You know, you're living in

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Speaker 1: Nashville after college, and let's just go to the end.

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Speaker 1: You achieve your dream. Yes, you're in the Country Music

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Speaker 1: So what gets you up in the morning? What makes

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Speaker 2: I would I would sincerely hope that I haven't written

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Speaker 2: It's pretty boring out there. I remember you being in

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Speaker 2: I just had a I don't know, I had to

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Speaker 2: know where I said, no, you're you're going to give

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Speaker 2: these people care about your music, they care about you,

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Speaker 2: they care about the experience, and not only are they

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Speaker 2: going to get all of you, they're going to get

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Speaker 1: Okay, you reference therapy earlier. You reference a therapist in

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Speaker 1: the book. When did you start going? Do you still go?

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Speaker 1: Did it help?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well that was only went once they made me

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Speaker 2: do that, or yes they helped? I think we should all,

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Speaker 2: you know, I try really hard to be in shape physically,

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Speaker 2: to go do what I do. My show is I

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Speaker 2: don't sit there and tap my toe. I have video

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Speaker 2: footage of me as a child in my grandmother's kitchen

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Speaker 2: listening to music, and I almost stand the same way

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Speaker 2: it's also important for you to work out your brain too.

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Speaker 1: And yes, hell, you know you're talking the book about

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Speaker 1: one day and people are eating the other way? What

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Speaker 1: to be in shape, but is it also a physicality?

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Speaker 1: are band members don't even hang with each other. Okay,

431
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: a person, you know, it's a well oiled machine. So

432
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: are you the type of person you know, don't bug Kenny.

433
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: He's doing this thing, He'll show up. Well, are you

434
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: the type person knows what everybody's doing, giving everybody shit?

435
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: You know?

436
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: Connected all the time? Yeah?

437
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: I try to stay connected. I don't disappear. I mean, look,

438
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm isolated enough in my life. You know. That's the

439
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: one place where I don't have to be isolated. I

440
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: got my family around me, So no, I mean I

441
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: have seen that what you're saying happen. I really have

442
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: my really big acts and people that some of my heroes,

443
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: and they don't really communicate with anybody, And I think,

444
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: I think, wow, what a You know, our life is

445
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: isolating enough. We're doing enough a good enough job on

446
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: our own doing that, you know, or I do anyway,

447
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: especially when I'm off the road. But when I'm out there,

448
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: that's where one of the places that I feel actually

449
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 2: comfortable in my skin and is communicating with everybody and

450
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: having fun. Look, I've been doing this a while now,

451
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: and I'm telling you, we have the fund meter out

452
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: there for a lot of years has been all the

453
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: way over. I mean, we have had a lot of

454
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: fun doing this, and I couldn't think of just isolating

455
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: myself and I don't know, having some sort of this

456
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: unapproachable persona. I just never understood that. I never understood

457
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: people with you know, I'd go to friends shows and

458
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: they would have all this this this over the top

459
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: security with the microphones in their face, and you know

460
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: that I just it's just I just don't do it

461
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: that way. I refuse to because it just it's I

462
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: would go to shows that would make me uncomfortable, and

463
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: I do this for a living, So you'd imagine what

464
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: somebody that that's just back there for how they feel.

465
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 2: So I've tried not to be that person.

466
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Well tell me you did say I'm isolated enough. Tell

467
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: me more about that.

468
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think over the years I have. I think

469
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: over the years I wouldn't always I was. I was

470
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: always a very people person. Now I can be up

471
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: there on stage and communicate and be intimate, I mean

472
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: so intimate, and I can take my finger and I

473
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: can move fifty thousand people to the left if I want,

474
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: and to the right if I want, and I know

475
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: how to do that. That's one thing. But over the

476
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: years I've developed I would say, some sort of social anxiety,

477
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: especially with the new technologies and all the devices that

478
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: we have, and with all and how quickly an awkward

479
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: interaction can go viral, right, and when you don't even

480
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: mean it for it to like somebody, Oh, Kenny didn't

481
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: say hi to me, he's an asshole, And maybe I'm

482
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't hear them, maybe I'm having a bad day.

483
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: Maybe I was, you know what I mean. And so

484
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: it's that way. So I have developed social anxiety to

485
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 2: a point. I'm not saying that I don't I do

486
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: get out of the house. I I'm not painting myself

487
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: into a room or anything. But it has changed out there.

488
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, but you have, as I say, it was very

489
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: notable reading the book. You have a number of people

490
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: who are celebrities, let's call them, in different walks of life. Yeah,

491
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: you maintain contact with is the type of thing where

492
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: you say, hey, I haven't heard from the guy in

493
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: a while. I'm in the text or are you in

494
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: constant communication? Are you the recipient or you the person

495
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: who does the outreach? What does it look like?

496
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: It's different for everybody, you know? Got I got a

497
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: video this morning from Joe Walsh. It was this funny

498
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: video of this guy playing guitar and it just I

499
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: forgot what was but it was just burning his hands off,

500
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: you know. And it was just Joe's a very Joe's

501
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: got a very unique sense of humor and I love

502
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: him and Joe's one of those guys that just showed

503
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: up in my life. Know it was. It was great

504
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: because me and the guy was talking about earlier David Farmer.

505
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: David Farmer had had a pool table in his garage

506
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: and we were those kids. You know that that would

507
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: take the pool sticks and play the guitar licks, you know,

508
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: to Uh to the James Gang, or to Montrose with

509
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Sammy Hagar or I mean every Van Halen record that

510
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: was ever made, we were we were doing that. So

511
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: to think that you would be later on in your

512
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: life and get being this place and you would be

513
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: friends with those people on any level. The fact that

514
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: they know who you are at all is one of

515
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: the most amazing things. That's That's about what's happened to

516
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: me in my journey that I did become friends that

517
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: one day out of the blue, Irving asof called me

518
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: and he goes, hey, Adie van Halen's gonna call you.

519
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: I went, yeah, okay, right, And next thing you know,

520
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: I answered the phone and it was Eddie. I could

521
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: tell it was Eddie. I I saw interviews I had,

522
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, and so the fact and then you fast forward.

523
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: Then Eddie and Eddie and Alice come to our show.

524
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: I think we played the soccer stadium outside of LA

525
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: and they came and showed up and got there early.

526
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: And Eddie had his long hair and he had his

527
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: shirt off and he was ripped and then all of

528
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: a sudden here are It was like a it was

529
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: such a Wayne's World moment or a Beavis and butt

530
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: Head moment, you know what I mean. It was like

531
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: we couldn't believe it. And everybody that was on the

532
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: road with me loved that music so much, not just

533
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: my crew, but every band that was on the show,

534
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: their crew and everybody. You could just see hundreds of

535
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: people stage right and stage left seeing this moment. And

536
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: my guitar player at the time, Clayton Mitchell, was one

537
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: of those guys that sat in his that sat in

538
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: his closet and learned every single lick of Eddie's. He

539
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: tried to to copy everything. So to see that moment,

540
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: it was, it was it was insane. So our communication,

541
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: my communication with Eddie was back and forth a lot.

542
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: Now with Sammy, it's it's that on steroids, you know.

543
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: I I love being around Sammy because he feels like

544
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: sunshine to me. I just I love him. And the

545
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: first time I went to play Sammy's birthday party in Cabo,

546
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: I was thirty six years old, and I talk about

547
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: this in the book, but it was a life changing

548
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: moment for me, you know, in a way, because I

549
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: was thirty six, and I felt like I had to.

550
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know where this this journey was taking me.

551
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: I had just broken up with a girl at the time,

552
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: and I was going, wow, like where is my life going?

553
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: You know? And that night I was like, we played

554
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: almost three hours at Cabo Wabo and at Sammy's bar,

555
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: and then I went back to the house the Samy

556
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: god for me and I'm the guitar out and I thought, well,

557
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't have to figure out what's next. I just

558
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: got to go and just just live it. And that's

559
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: the night that I I wrote very in Mexico, all

560
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: of it that night, and that taught me a lesson too,

561
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: about you know, creating and and just writing what you

562
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: live and how you feel and not just some something

563
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: that's made up in a a in a room with

564
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: three or four co writers on a writing trip, you know.

565
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a real that was a real

566
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: soulful there was a glimpse into my soul. Really, people

567
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: that listen to the people that I always saw that

568
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: title thought it was a drinking song, but it wasn't.

569
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: It was it was a it was a glimpse into

570
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: my soul, like I said, and it was a turning

571
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: of the page for me.

572
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: Let's go back to John Madden. You rest him. John

573
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: Madden one said, you play one game in the NFL

574
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: and your body will never be the same. Yeah, you

575
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: played high school football. How's your body?

576
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: Well, my body is a lot better than the guys

577
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: that play in the NFL. I was. I loved high

578
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: school football, but I was absolutely terrible at it. I

579
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: mean that was five six and one hundred and forty pounds,

580
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: soak and web and we were just an okay team.

581
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: I mean we lived out in the country. We lived

582
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, we had what we had. We didn't have

583
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: a lot of great athletes. We had one guy on

584
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: our team that played a Division one football. His name

585
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: was Donnie Collins and he went to the University of Georgia.

586
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: So we were just we knew that we weren't going

587
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: to play past foot class high school. But Bob, I

588
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: got to tell you, man, it taught me so much

589
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: about the way that I do business today, and especially

590
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: when you try to achieve something wonderful with a lot

591
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: of people, and football taught me that lesson. You know,

592
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: you can't everybody has to be on the same page,

593
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, whether whether you're on the road or you're

594
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: in corporate America or whatever. If not, ever, if everybody

595
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: is not aligned, and what's the same thing, it's not

596
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: it's not gonna it's gonna be really hard to achieve

597
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: anything great. But I've also learned through sports that mediocre

598
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like

599
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: mediocre people that they want because their thought processes aren't aligned.

600
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: They're not because the mediocre people think they're working hard,

601
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: but the high achievers know they're not, and so it's

602
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: never going to be aligned. Ever. So that's what football

603
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: taught me, and that's what thirty years of being on

604
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: the road has taught me.

605
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: Can you lift a mediocre person who's not working enough

606
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: for efficiently up into the upper realm.

607
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: If they're willing, Yes, if they're willing. It depends on

608
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: what work ethic I think that you know, especially if

609
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: they have if they have some sort of talent. But

610
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: you can have things without talent and still and still

611
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: you know, because you don't need talent to have work ethic.

612
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: You don't need you don't have to have talent to

613
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: be coachable. You don't have to have talent to show up,

614
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: you don't have you see what I'm saying, Like, they

615
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: have to. They have to have all those things if

616
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: they're mediocre, and then they can overachieve. For sure they can,

617
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: you could, but they got to want to be there.

618
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: And so that's what that's I've tried over my career.

619
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: I've tried really hard to look at that through a

620
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: fish eye lens and just see how people react. It

621
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: goes back to the ice cub in a way. It

622
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: goes back to how they act and react and under

623
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: pressure or when they're uncomfortable. That says a lot because

624
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's it's really. Football also taught me this.

625
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: It's really people. Really, everybody reacts favorably when things are good.

626
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: It's how when things are bad, when they see it,

627
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: you start to see you start to measure human behavior.

628
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: It's it's how people react under pressure is one of

629
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: the biggest barometers of human behavior that I've ever seen.

630
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: How do you react under pressure?

631
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I turn it up and just go.

632
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, I have the most pressure I have ever

633
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: I mean, this was the scaredest I've ever been and

634
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: the most nervous I've ever been, and the most pressure

635
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: I've ever been. Music Cares honor Bruce Springsteen in La

636
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: You're in Gramy Week and I was asked to come

637
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: sing One Step Up and Two Steps Back for him

638
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: that night, and I'd sing that song forever. I mean,

639
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: I could play it backwards. I played it in college.

640
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: It was on my No Shoes record. I did a

641
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: cover of it. But this was different. I mean here

642
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: I am me, my guitar on a stool, my piano player,

643
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: and there's Bruce ten feet away from me, and Sting

644
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: and Jackson Brown and Bruce's wife and this all these

645
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: people in front of me, and I went, oh wow.

646
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: I mean I really felt the gravity of that moment.

647
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: I mean I was like, I don't know, I could

648
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: feel sweat going down my nose. But I just took

649
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: a deep breath and I just went, hey, just go

650
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: be your authentic self. Do it just like you did

651
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: at Chucky's Trading Post in Johnson City, Tennessee. That's a

652
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Mexican restaurant I played at in college. And I would

653
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: play One Step Up because I love that song so much. Well,

654
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: I love the whole Tunnel of Love record a lot,

655
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: and because I think it had a country soul to it,

656
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 2: but especially one step up. All of a sudden, there

657
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: I was, in my life in front of the man

658
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: that wrote that song, and he's watching me say it,

659
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 2: and I don't know. It was just one of those

660
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: really surreal moments, But that was that. That is the

661
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: scariest and the most pressure I've ever felt as an

662
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: entertainer in my life. If I look, I don't get nervous.

663
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: I know this probably sounds cocky, but I don't get

664
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: nervous doing the stadium shows because I have forgotten the words.

665
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: I have fell off stage. I have, I've had fans

666
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: come on stage, so those don't Those kinds of things

667
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: don't make me nervous. But playing a really great song

668
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: for one of your heroes right in front of you

669
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: is really difficult.

670
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: It was for me. You ever get the sensation or

671
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: feeling like I don't want to do it, I mean

672
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: ultimately not doing it, but the reaction going, you know,

673
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: reacting to the pressure that you know is going to

674
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: be there.

675
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I I never I never thought that

676
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it, but trust me, on

677
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: the flight out there, it hit me. I went, oh wow,

678
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is going to be different.

679
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: This is going to be different than in college. And

680
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: but what made me so happy. You know, a couple

681
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: of weeks later, they send you the audio and the

682
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: video because they do some sort of thing they show

683
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: it the next year or whatever, and they wanted me

684
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: to approve the cut of my performance. And when I'm done,

685
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: they cut to Bruce and you can read his lips

686
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: and he's whispering to his wife Patty. He goes, I

687
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: loved it, and that made that validated my whole dream

688
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: as good as it gets. I mean, that's as good

689
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: and validated my whole dream. And so I'm glad I

690
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: did it, even though I was I was under a

691
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: lot of pressure.

692
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: What's the best show you've ever seen that you weren't

693
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: on the stage.

694
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 3: My first rock show I saw was was def Leppard

695
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: in Knoxville.

696
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the best. I mean, I

697
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: saw Bruce when they got back. It was when it

698
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: was this because him and the EA street Man hadn't

699
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: played in a while, and then they got back together,

700
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: right and it was that year. So me and Holly

701
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: went to Baltimore to see them, and I was just

702
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: stunned to see someone give every sale of their body

703
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: and to I I just couldn't believe it, you know,

704
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: and just how the how the the momentum kept going.

705
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: You thought for a minute that it was going on,

706
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: you know, because a concert is a lot like sex.

707
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: You know, it has its ups and downs. It's kind

708
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: of you know, it's it's flow. But I mean, it

709
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: was a freight train. It was a freight train. I

710
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: watched the drummer, and I watched how they played and

711
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: how they interacted with each other, and it was just

712
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: that's the best. That's the best. I walked away from

713
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: there and I was on my way home going that's

714
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: the best thing I've ever seen.

715
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Ever jumping around. Let's go back to college football. What

716
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: was your best play?

717
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't play college football. I played I met

718
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: high school. Yeah no, I was too small to play

719
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: college football. My best play I don't know. I mean

720
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: I called four passes in one game.

721
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Well that's pretty good.

722
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: That's my high school highlight. Because we weren't that talented,

723
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: and uh, we ran the ball a lot. We ran

724
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: what is called in football the power eye, which is

725
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: a running formation, and we ran the power out because

726
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: we didn't because we weren't that athletic, and we got

727
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: the ship kicked down of us a lot, you know, so,

728
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: but we had fun. And like I said, that, playing

729
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: playing football changed my life. I still love it to

730
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: this day. But I was just I mean, I was little.

731
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: I was I got to ship kicked down on.

732
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: Me, all okay, So no one was forcing me to play.

733
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: Why did you play?

734
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: I love competition.

735
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: I've played because across the board.

736
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 2: I love competition. I mean, you can ask my band,

737
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: my band, my crew. There was a moment where I

738
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: get that competition from my father and all of his friends.

739
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: I still to this day. Then I'll go back to

740
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: the band thing, but I still to this day. My

741
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: dad has two friends in Knoxville, Tennessee. One Jim cogged

742
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: on John Stay, and to this day, for the last

743
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: fifteen years, I talk to them every Saturday morning and

744
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: every Sunday morning, and we met every game on the line,

745
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: the Vegas line and the over and under on each game. Now,

746
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: we've never paid each other. I'm not a gambler really,

747
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 2: but I am with them and we've never paid each other.

748
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: And it's all in fifty dollars bets, and so it's

749
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: been a rolling amount for the last fifteen years. And

750
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: I say it in the book and I'm right around

751
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: the same thing. I'm about almost eight thousand dollars in

752
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: the hole in fifty dollars bets right now to Jim Cogging, Knoxville, Tennessee.

753
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy, but it's all about competition. There was a

754
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: time where, you know, when college PlayStation came out and

755
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: we had that football game in there and we played.

756
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: I've held shows for fifteen to twenty minutes because we

757
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: weren't done with the game. And I can do that

758
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: because I can get ready to go on stage in

759
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: less than five minutes. I got a T shirt, I

760
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: got jeans, boots, straw cowboy had. Okay, I'm ready to go,

761
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: and so I can hold it. But that's how that's

762
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: how competitive I am. And rolling down the highway were

763
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: we were somewhere in Alabama and I had a terrible game,

764
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: and I got so pissed off that I pulled the

765
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: whole game out of the console, like the whole game,

766
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: and threw it out the side, out the window, and

767
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: the band just looked at me like I was crazy.

768
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: I was that pissed off. I think I threw like

769
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: five interceptions in the game. But that's how competitive I am.

770
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: And I remember why I'm my piano player. I mean,

771
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: he kicked my ass like it was almost like the

772
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: whole week. We played every day and he beat me

773
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: by over twenty points. And we were playing rupp Arena

774
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: in Lesington, Kentucky one night. We had these big screen

775
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: TVs behind us, and why it had taken a picture

776
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: without me knowing it of the screen of the score.

777
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: And while I was introducing the band, they put that

778
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: picture up there on the on the screen, and yeah,

779
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: it really pissed me off. But I was like, that's

780
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 2: how competitive I am. So that answered to you. That's

781
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: a long answer to your question. But I just loved

782
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: I just loved being competitive, and I liked playing football

783
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: because it it got me out of my comfort zone.

784
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: That's what that goes back to Laird. Laird taught me

785
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: a lot about, especially with pool training and being out

786
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: in the ocean. Is you grow a lot as a

787
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: as a human, and you get better when you're out

788
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: of your comfort zone.

789
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you know that's not a good story. In the

790
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: bus throw you know, throwing stuff out the ego. Did

791
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: you say you're at it's great to win. But would

792
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: you say sometimes you're a sore loser.

793
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: No, well they all tell me that I'm a sore loser.

794
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: But I'm a worst winner, you know, because when I win,

795
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: I just you know, I like to I like to

796
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: run my mouth and so yeah, I mean I think

797
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 2: a lot of my band and a lot of people

798
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: have been around me. I'm so competitive that I am

799
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: a bad loser, but I'm a worst winner.

800
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: And are you someone like you know, in today's online world,

801
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: you can be you know, playing scrabble with somebody. You

802
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: can be you know, an online multiplayer game, you involved

803
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: in any of that shit.

804
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. No, that's I don't do that. Uh.

805
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: I try to stay off the devices in the computer

806
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: as much as possible, honestly. But I mean, if you're

807
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: we got a basketball, go out by the bus. I mean,

808
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: I'm you know, you can always get a game of

809
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: horse with somebody, you know.

810
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: So wait, wait there's a basketball there, it's sitting by

811
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: the hoop. No one is there. Yeah? Are you going

812
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: to be the person say hey, who's playing ones?

813
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, no question, Yeah, I really am. Look,

814
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: there's only so many, Like I said, I've been on

815
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: a bus now for thirty two years. It's crazy to

816
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: think about, but I have. And there's only so many

817
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: times that you can walk from the back of the

818
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: bus to the front of the bus and then walk

819
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: from the front of the bus back to the bus,

820
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 2: thinking you're going to see something different. So I've got

821
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: to get I've got to get out of there. That's

822
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: why I don't iscolate myself like you were talking about.

823
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you how many times I

824
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 2: walked into the production office and just to say hi, people,

825
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, just say what's up.

826
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay, you're off the road. When you're off the road, listen,

827
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: there are things you do. You answer emails, talk on

828
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: the phone. There's a little but that doesn't take twenty

829
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: four hours. You write a few songs. What do you

830
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: do with the rest of the time.

831
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: Well, this year has been different. I was with Holly

832
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Gleason Rydne's book. That's what I did this year, and

833
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: we haven't stopped. I mean once I let.

834
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: Me let me be very clear, there's work. You're not

835
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: writing a book all day long.

836
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: No, No, you're right.

837
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Let's you assume it's seven o'clock. Are you calling somebody up.

838
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: What are you up to?

839
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: Are you watching soon television? Are Yeah, I'll binge watch.

840
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll probably binge watch. And if it's football season,

841
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 4: I'll watch football, you know. Or I'll go hang with

842
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: my dad, or I'll you know, do whatever.

843
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean. It's it's I will tell you it is

844
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: when when you're really busy and you've in your brain tired.

845
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: I look forward to sitting still, I really do. But

846
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: I got to tell you, I'm I'm I'm a little

847
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: tangled in the vine. When it comes is the time

848
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: off because I crave time off. I do, But when

849
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 2: I get it, I start to freak out. I start

850
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: to I start to wonder if I'm missing something, you

851
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So it's so, I I work

852
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: out a lot. I love the ocean. I love it,

853
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 2: get on the paddle board, I I I don't know,

854
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: I visit family. I it's just whatever, you know.

855
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: So, how much time are you in the islands?

856
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 2: Now that's gotten, that's that's decreased in the last couple

857
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: of years, But a lot once I get done with

858
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: with the launch, and once I get I think I'm done.

859
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: On the seventeenth or eighteenth something like that. I'll probably

860
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: go down for a little bit. You know, it takes

861
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: me a minute because I it's it's uh, sooner or later,

862
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: I will pull the guitar out of the case. Sooner

863
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: or later. It takes it takes a minute, but it

864
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: may not take as long this year because I've been

865
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: actually done playing music since since July. And once I

866
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 2: got out, once I got done at the sphere this year,

867
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: I went straight into the audiobook. And theo book is

868
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: another animal. I don't know, but I'm telling you that's

869
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: one of the most unpleasant things I've ever done in

870
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: my life. It's the audiobook. But I'm glad I did it.

871
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: It was business. And you know, if I'm a fan,

872
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: like we were talking about my friends and heroes, you know,

873
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: if Sammy Hagar wrote, if he wrote a new book

874
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: and put it out, I'm going to want to hear

875
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: Sammy do the audiobook. You're not going to want to

876
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: hear me do it. You want him to do it.

877
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: And so I understand that it took me a month

878
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: to read this book in the studio. It was just

879
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: it was I was like I was like a week

880
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: in and I was only like on chapter four and

881
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: there's forty nine chapters in this book. I was like, wow,

882
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: this is going to take a minute, but yeah, this

883
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: But now I think when I get done with the

884
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: book launches because the guitar is going to come out

885
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: of the case a little sooner than usual because I've

886
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: been done playing music for a minute and I miss it.

887
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: When you go down, do you ever go down alone?

888
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: I yeah, because I'm not alone down there. I've got

889
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of still a really close group

890
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: of Island friends that really in ways knew me before

891
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: they even knew what I did. That that was the

892
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: beauty of it. You know, when I first went down,

893
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: I was spending time there. There was you know, it

894
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: was way before social media. It was way before you know,

895
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: everything was so instant, and I don't know that I

896
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: could insulate myself in a way. I mean I was,

897
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: I was playing arenas. I was wow. I mean I

898
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: was on the climb right. But these people didn't care.

899
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: They didn't know, so they really got to know the

900
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: real meat. And then they would come to shows and

901
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: they would see what I do on stage and they

902
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 2: would scratch their head and go, They're going, wow, we

903
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: had no idea that this person that was down here

904
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: constantly with us on boats and in bars does this

905
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: for a living. They truly, I mean, they knew what

906
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: I did eventually, but they didn't know that that was

907
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: our life at all. So it was really interesting, you know,

908
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 2: to see them see that. But yeah, I'll either take

909
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: my girlfriend down, or I'll go with my family, or sometimes,

910
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean we usually do it once a year, I'll

911
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: take some writing friends down and we'll just go hang

912
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: for a week and see what we can come up

913
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: with and see if we can find something inspired in

914
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 2: a different way. And I think as a creative person,

915
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: that's really that's really good to do, you know, because

916
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: earlier we were speaking about neural pathways. As a songwriter,

917
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: for me, I'm always feel like that I need to

918
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: get out of my comfort zone and create somewhere else,

919
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: because you can go down the same neural pathway that

920
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: a room can make you create the same thing. And

921
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: so it's always good to do that, especially after you

922
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: make a record, you know, or while you're making a record.

923
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: More importantly, I get asked for advice all the time about,

924
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: you know, how I made my records and what I've

925
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 2: done over the years. And the one thing that I

926
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: still do is in the process of making my record,

927
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: especially when I think it's almost done, I'll take that

928
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: in the sequence of the songs and I'll go listen

929
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: to that in different environments, like I'll go to the Islands,

930
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: or I'll go to easton a see because those are

931
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: my people. Or I'll go to New England, or I'll

932
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: drive across Mulholland in la or I'll just see how

933
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 2: it sits in every environment. And if it doesn't sit

934
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: great in every environment, then I'll try to, Okay, well,

935
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: what will make it sit? And that's exactly how you

936
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: and Tequila came about that whole story right there, because

937
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: I was I didn't have I did. There was this

938
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: missing piece of the Hemming Ways Whiskey record, and I

939
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: had no idea what it was. And Materesa Berg sent

940
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: me you in Tequila. I was driving north at that time.

941
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: I was renting a house. There's this market in Malibu

942
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: culture it used to be called Trapas Market, and I

943
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: was reading a house north of there, and so I

944
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: was just driving home one night and she sent me

945
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: a song and I listened to it on the way

946
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: home and it was just magic, the sun was setting,

947
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: it was it was just a perfect, perfect scenario to

948
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: hear to hear that song. And once I heard that,

949
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: I went, wow, Okay, this is the missing piece because

950
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: I had listened to that what was supposed to be

951
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: the heming Ways Whiskey record, and there was a few

952
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: things missing and that was one of them.

953
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: So what degree do you feel pressure to be part

954
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: of the game and to continue to have charge success

955
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: because you know, country is a little bit different country.

956
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like pop radio where you can

957
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: have a hit and your audience moves on. If you've

958
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: got a good audience and country, they stay with you.

959
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: There are people who that hit for a long time,

960
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: but most people, even Garth Brooks, you have your time

961
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: and you're done. You're not going to have another hit.

962
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: How do you mentally deal with all that? Well?

963
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: I think for me that we have built something a

964
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: little unique and different. I mean, I have built an

965
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: audience that I hope that you know, I don't feel

966
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: anywhere close to being out the tank, you know, I

967
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: just still feel creative. I still want to go to

968
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: do great shows, and I think that we've built an

969
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 2: audience over the years that will that will go down

970
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: that road with us, no matter what the success is. Look,

971
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: the business has changed from when I started making records

972
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: with Mary Beckett. The business is not even recogniz as

973
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: you know. You know, Barry taught me so much. But

974
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: that's a whole other podcast.

975
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: You know.

976
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's just it's just changed a lot,

977
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: you know. But for me, I mean, I think that

978
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: we have built such a unique audience and people that

979
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: not only have just listened to these songs on the radio,

980
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: they've lived their life with them and they come to

981
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: the show to experience it live, and they've given They

982
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: realize how much of myself that I've given, and I

983
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: realize how much of themselves that they give to come

984
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 2: and experience that experience. And I think as long as

985
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 2: because I've seen artists get complacent, I've seen artists dollar

986
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: in and they get to this weird point where they

987
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 2: just don't care, and I've never understood it, I still care.

988
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: And I think as long as my audience knows I

989
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: care about them, and they care about the experience and

990
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: still care about the music, then a lot of the

991
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: other stuff I don't have to worry about as much,

992
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, well, you have a.

993
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Large audience, and you know, let's use Jimmy Buffett. You know,

994
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett had his hits at the end of the seventies.

995
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: He continued to put out records until he did a

996
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: Nashville record. Long and deep into his career he had

997
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: no more chart success, but he had his audience who

998
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: consumed that to what is that okay for you? Or

999
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: do you need to have something that's on the chart,

1000
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: something that's hot in Nashville that people are talking about

1001
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: that might spread to different people.

1002
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, of course, I mean everybody would

1003
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: want to have chart success, and I still feel like

1004
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: that we're going to have some. But moving forward, I

1005
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: mean I do. I feel very fortunate to have had

1006
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 2: the chart success that I've had, and I still feel

1007
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 2: very creative and I try really hard to and I

1008
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: added myself to a phone. I really do, because when

1009
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm listening to songs and even creating, I'm like, Okay, well,

1010
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: how is this to your point? How is this going

1011
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: to fit now? Because sonically a lot of the things

1012
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: are different. They are and I've changed mixers and I've

1013
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: done a lot of stuff, but I can't sing what

1014
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: some of these people are singing about because I've already

1015
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: done it right, And so it's it's tricky. If if

1016
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: a brand new guy can go sing the next version

1017
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: of no shoes, no shirt, no problems, and he'd be

1018
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: and he'll be a genius, I can go sing the

1019
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: exact same song, and I'm repeating myself. So it's it's

1020
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: I got a thin target to hit and I know that.

1021
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: And God, I mean, I am so blessed to say this,

1022
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: because not every act in the world gets to say this.

1023
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: But I've reached a point in my life and in

1024
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: my career where I'm competing with myself and I'm thankful

1025
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: for that. But it's hard. It's hard creatively, it really is.

1026
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: So that's why it takes me longer to get there,

1027
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: because I just can't throw anything against a blank page

1028
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: and it be accepted because I'm competing with myself and

1029
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: I know that I can't go do when the sun

1030
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: goes down again, I can't. I don't even know if

1031
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: I can go do I go back again? So so yeah,

1032
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: it's harder, you know. So, But if I to answer

1033
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: your question, yeah, I still want radio success, but am

1034
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: I fine with it not having it. I don't know.

1035
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about it yet, to be honest, But

1036
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: if you really want the honest answer, I haven't thought

1037
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: about that yet. But yeah, I mean, look, I'm not

1038
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: immune to what happens to every act in the world.

1039
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: It happened to Bruce Springsteak, for God's sake.

1040
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Okay, you barely touch on romance in the book, and

1041
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: you say you want to respect the privacy of this

1042
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: one specific to Todd Lloyd romance whatever. But you're a

1043
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: fifty seven year old guy, hasn't been married, doesn't have children.

1044
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: What my average person has no idea. They have no

1045
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: idea how hard it is to make it. You have

1046
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: to literally work all day every that's right. They just

1047
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: literally have no idea.

1048
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you that. Look, my mother has asked me,

1049
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: she goes, when am I going to have grand babies?

1050
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: I said, I better hurry. I won't be deald to

1051
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: play with them. You know. But Bob, I think you

1052
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: know this, and especially everybody on my team known this.

1053
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: I had somebody say to me recently, we think it's

1054
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 2: great that you give so much of your life to

1055
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 2: what you do. And I stopped them. I said, no, no, no,

1056
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: I said, I've given everything I have, I've given all

1057
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: of me to do what I do because I felt like.

1058
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: That.

1059
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess maybe it's the way I

1060
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: grew up because we didn't we poor Bob, but we

1061
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: but it was right down the street from us, if

1062
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so I've always had

1063
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: this this thing. If I didn't give all of myself

1064
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: to everything that I'm doing, that it wouldn't happen. And

1065
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: maybe that's how I was brought up, I don't know.

1066
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: Or being competitive from my father, I don't know. But yeah,

1067
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: in ways, my look, my personal life has has I've

1068
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: sacrificed son, we're talking about sacrifice earlier. I never fell

1069
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: a personal sacrifice, but it was really hard on a

1070
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: lot of people, honestly. But I don't think now though.

1071
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 2: I think now though, Yeah, look I think for me

1072
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: now in my life now, I'm not the same. And

1073
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: I I realized at one point about three years ago,

1074
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: three or four years ago actually, that I had given

1075
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: every decision and every choice I ever made, I had

1076
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: given to the persona not the person, and whether that

1077
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: be good or bad, it got me here, right. And

1078
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: if I did make a personal choice. I had to

1079
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: check with a persona to see how it was going

1080
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: to affect all of it before I made that choice,

1081
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: and which is really hard, you know, But I didn't

1082
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: realize that until about three or four years ago because

1083
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: I was still so in the zone. You know, it

1084
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: was just so just grinding and creative and driven, and

1085
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: you're right to do it like we've done it, and

1086
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: to get to this place, it takes all of you,

1087
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: it really has. And I'm not been great at balance,

1088
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: I'll admit I haven't.

1089
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example of the separation between

1090
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: personal and persona choice?

1091
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. It was just whether I was

1092
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: going to I mean, it got so even the where

1093
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: I was going to live, right because when I met

1094
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: Lard and Gabby, I said, oh man, I'm gonna I'm

1095
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: going to move to Malibu full time. I'm going to

1096
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: train with them every day. And I do have a

1097
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: great circle of friends out there. That's at the time,

1098
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, it still is a lot healthier lifestyle for me.

1099
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: But I was going to do that, and I went

1100
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 2: my creative community in there. Your persona is not there,

1101
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: You're what you've created is here. Your creative community is here,

1102
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: so and now. But that was before you know, we've

1103
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: realized we could get on a call a lot like

1104
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: this one in FaceTime. But still it's not the same.

1105
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: But that's not how you write songs. And so that

1106
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: was just one example, you know. Or I could go, hey,

1107
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to live in the version iss I love

1108
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: getting on the boat every day. I'm going to but

1109
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: that's not I can't do that either. So because you

1110
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: have to be present, you have to be available to

1111
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 2: what I felt like I had to be available to

1112
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 2: what I built and everybody around me. And it goes

1113
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: back to this. I mean, I truly do Bob feel

1114
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: a And I don't know the answer because I can

1115
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: just see you that's ask me why on this? But

1116
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to it. But We've been

1117
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: able to achieve so much success, and I've had so

1118
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 2: many people around me to do this with me, that

1119
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: there is when you do it with all these people

1120
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: all these years, you feel some sort of sense of

1121
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: responsibility to them and to what you created. And yeah,

1122
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: so every decision you make you kind of go, oh, wow, okay,

1123
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: how is how is this decision you might want to

1124
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: make for the person going to affect the hope, and

1125
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: I deal with that a lot in my life.

1126
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: So when did you realize you were smarter than the

1127
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: average beer?

1128
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think it was I learned

1129
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: how to do the quadratic formula pretty quickly in high school.

1130
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: I still know it. You can thank my math teacher,

1131
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: Joe Hollander for that, because he would give us a

1132
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: pop quiz on it and if we got it right,

1133
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: we would get the equivalent to an A on a test.

1134
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: So I knew the quadratic formula just it's X equals

1135
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 2: negative B plus or minus the square root of A

1136
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: squared minus four a C all over two A. That's

1137
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: the quadratic formula. And I knew the protagon. Riam there,

1138
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: but I can't say it right now. I didn't know,

1139
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: but it was a round. I don't know, but I

1140
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: didn't know that I was smarter than the average Joe,

1141
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that I am now or not, but

1142
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: you definitely are, yeah, but I am. I don't know.

1143
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: I think that when I went on the road and

1144
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 2: I started to really dive into because there was a

1145
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: moment where when I first got started. There was years. Honestly,

1146
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: when I first got started that I was just trying

1147
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 2: to do whatever made sense. I was. I just wanted

1148
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: my songs on the radio. Everybody was trying to be

1149
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: a B and C version of George Strait, and I

1150
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: was right in there with them. But I still felt

1151
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: like it was when I would go up there on

1152
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: stage and I don't know, I was wearing a belt

1153
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: buckle and I had these jeans, these certain genes on,

1154
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm going it felt so disingenuous, right,

1155
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: and I was, I don't know. And then there was

1156
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: ways that I wanted to create around us the the

1157
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the answer to me

1158
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: being smarter than the average Joe, but I felt very creative.

1159
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: And I saw everybody was doing their show, and it's

1160
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: a lot like I guess having kids and being a parent,

1161
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: Like you don't I don't know how to be a parent,

1162
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: but I know what not to do, I think. And

1163
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: so when I was trying to create my show, I'd

1164
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: watched how everybody did it that I didn't like, and

1165
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: I was making mental notes. I was going, Okay, I

1166
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: don't want that, And then I would see things that

1167
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: I loved. One, Oh wow, if I ever get to

1168
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: do this. I'm gonna remember just a version of that

1169
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: and make it my own. And that's it was. I

1170
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: guess around then when I started to go, yeah, maybe

1171
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: I think differently than some people.

1172
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: So let's assume you know, you're at depth's door, hopefully

1173
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, forty odd years from now, and it turns

1174
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: out you never got married, you never had children. When

1175
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: you say, well, listen, I can't have it all. I

1176
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: dedicated myself to my career, really worked out. Or are

1177
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: you going to say, fuck, I miss something.

1178
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll say I miss something. I think

1179
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: everybody's on a different journey. I think everybody is. I

1180
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 2: sincerely hope I get married and have kid one day.

1181
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 2: I really do, because it would be really strange to

1182
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: build this and not share it with someone and let

1183
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, give it to someone, you know, just I

1184
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: don't have them give it to you know. But yeah,

1185
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: I really hope that happens. I am more available now

1186
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: for that to happen. I wasn't available until four or

1187
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: five years ago. And I look, I have not been

1188
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: my mother And I say, I think I say this

1189
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: in the book. I'm not sure if I do or not.

1190
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: But my mother This was when I was first starting.

1191
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 2: It was around two thousand and two, right when the

1192
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: Nose Shoes album came out, and things were different. They

1193
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: were just different. I've been on the road since, you know,

1194
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: ten years earlier, with my band and crew, but I

1195
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: was still available because I hadn't felt that that change yet.

1196
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: So I was available to my mother, I was I

1197
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: was available to my friends. But when all that changed,

1198
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, this is unbelievable, and that

1199
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: that dream that I was dream and that I don't know.

1200
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: It's this horniness to go and do all that and

1201
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: do experience that what we've experienced, and meet our heroes

1202
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: and collaborate with them. And the rush of the audience

1203
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: and building your audience was all a part of it.

1204
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 2: So it was all a part of this train that

1205
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: was taking me away, right And my own mother came

1206
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: up to me and she goes, I can't seem to

1207
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 2: reach you. And you know what I did. I dismissed her.

1208
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: And if you can do that to your own mother,

1209
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: you could do it to anybody, anybody. I just wasn't available,

1210
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 2: you know, because I I dismissed her because I couldn't

1211
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 2: change it, because I was gone. I was gone on

1212
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: this I was gone on this journey, and there was

1213
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 2: nothing gonna there was nothing gonna pull me back. Nothing.

1214
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: Before you started to really click, did you ever have

1215
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: doubts say, well, maybe I should do something else.

1216
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 2: No, but no, because I loved I truly believe that

1217
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: I was born to do this. I get asked a lot.

1218
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: I would like to go back and say, now, me

1219
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: and my mother have ironed all that out. Shit. I mean,

1220
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: my mother, as you can read in the book, is

1221
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: the lot of my life. But that was hard, you know,

1222
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 2: But that just shows you how unavailable I have been

1223
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 2: to certain things in my life at the you know,

1224
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: for the greater good of just being this person. And

1225
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: the answer to your question at forty years from now,

1226
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: whenever I'm at death's door, I mean, I'm going to say, wow,

1227
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: that was fun. That was a lot of fun. And

1228
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: I got to make music and I got to give

1229
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: it to people, and I got to give that to

1230
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,879
Speaker 2: the world, and I got to create with my heroes.

1231
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: I got to know them. But I think everybody has that.

1232
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: I think everybody has their own. I'm a big believer

1233
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: in the universe big and I think everybody's got their

1234
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 2: own path. Everybody's on different paths. You know. I talk

1235
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: about that specific thing in the book when I the

1236
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: night I wrote beer in Mexico. Okay, well, I'm thirty six.

1237
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: Most thirty six year olds have maybe have two kids. Here.

1238
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: I am a little buzzed at Sammy Hagar's pool he

1239
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: got for us writing a song. It just played, So

1240
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: my life was different. I just played Sammy Hagar's birthday party.

1241
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't have two kids, but I have this amazing experience,

1242
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: and so no, I don't think i'll have that. I

1243
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: hope I don't have that. Oh I wish I hadn't

1244
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: done this because I really got to do this and

1245
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:45,679
Speaker 2: that is special. And but yeah, I mean I think

1246
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: what's great for me now is I'm learning how to

1247
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: be more available now in my life, and that's a

1248
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 2: good thing.

1249
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: So you're a smart guy. I didn't realize how smart

1250
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: you were till today. You have a Southern accent. Yeah,

1251
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: every Southern accent a little bit different. A lot of

1252
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,560
Speaker 1: people in the North look down on people with accents.

1253
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: By the same token, you're very successful in the Boston

1254
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: area and other places in the Northeast. What the people

1255
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: in the North. Not get about the South.

1256
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I can't speak

1257
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 2: to that really because I swear to God. I mean

1258
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: maybe it was because of my Virgin Islands connection, but

1259
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 2: the Six States of New England has always been an

1260
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: unbelievable place for us to play music. And the audience

1261
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: is just insane there. I think there's the only difference

1262
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: between me and the audience there and a lot of

1263
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: people that live in New England is the accent. I

1264
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: say that in the book. I mean the people, their

1265
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: work ethic is insane. They love sports, they love food,

1266
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 2: they love family, and that's a lot. I mean, it's

1267
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 2: everything I grew up on and for I don't know.

1268
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: I can't speak to everybody else, but for us it's

1269
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: just been it's been such a strong connection, and I

1270
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 2: don't think they look at it north or South. For me.

1271
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 2: They made for some. I mean, look, if you got

1272
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: a bunch of corny songs, maybe you know what I mean.

1273
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 2: I think speaking of corny songs, like the only station

1274
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: in America when it was out that didn't play she

1275
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 2: thinks my Tractor Sexy was the Boston Country radio statements.

1276
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: It's not for us it's not for us. You fast

1277
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: forward two years after the song had peaked. I think

1278
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: it peaked at twelve something like that. It wasn't even

1279
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: a top ten record. Two years later, I'm playing the

1280
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 2: big beautiful theater in downtown Boston. We hadn't we hadn't

1281
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: graduated to arenas yet, but we're playing a big theater

1282
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 2: in downtown Boston. It's packed, and I go into Tractor

1283
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: and the place comes unglued right well. Jenny Brofy and

1284
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: Mike Brophy, who ran the Boston radio station at the time,

1285
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: were in the audience and they went, well, how are

1286
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: they hearing this? Because this is before streaming, This is

1287
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: before you could you could listen to anything by anybody

1288
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 2: at any moment that you wanted to. So back then,

1289
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: the only way you heard it is if you were

1290
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: if you heard it on the radio, or heard it

1291
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 2: on an album cut, if you bought the record. And

1292
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: the next Monday and one of the one of the

1293
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: one of the surfaces where it was bill Boarder or

1294
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, when R and R put out their magazine

1295
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 2: or whatever they called in the add and she thinks

1296
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: my tractor sexty two years after and they said in

1297
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 2: big letters, you probably find it. They said, the panel

1298
01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: is finally closed. And that's our joke. I mean, for years,

1299
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: you know so so, but but I get what you're saying, like,

1300
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: if you come with songs like that over and over again,

1301
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,480
Speaker 2: there will be some sort of a disconnect regionally. But

1302
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: but thank god, there was more to me than that. Uh.

1303
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper. Anderson Cooper's first segment that he ever did

1304
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: on Sixty Minutes was on me and he brought that up.

1305
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 2: He goes, well, tell me tell me about she thinks

1306
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: my tractor sex. And I told Anderson, I said, well,

1307
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 2: I was smart enough to record it, and I was

1308
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: smart enough to not record it again. So because for him,

1309
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, his mom being Gloria Vanderbilt and his whole

1310
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, New York lifestyle, he did not understand.

1311
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 5: So, so, who is the coolest, most pinch me moment

1312
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 5: person you've met?

1313
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow, that's a hard one. Hmm. One of the

1314
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: coolest people that I met, only because and look, I

1315
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: didn't realize the genius. There's two people I'm going to

1316
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: tell you. I didn't realize the genius of Bob Marley

1317
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: and the Whalers until I got into college. Like going

1318
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: back to that point on tractor, you heard what you

1319
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: were given, right. So we didn't hear Bob Marley and

1320
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: the Way There's in East Tennessee. I didn't hear that

1321
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 2: music until I went to college at East Tennessee State,

1322
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 2: and so I was. I just loved it. It was

1323
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: the most universe. I felt like, Wow, this is really

1324
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 2: aspiring and it's all about love and positive energy. And

1325
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. Years later, I got to collaborate with

1326
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,919
Speaker 2: Junior Marvin and family Man bear Ashton, family man Beartt.

1327
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: I sat on the beach with the family man Barrett

1328
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 2: we were doing the video. I talked those guys, Junior

1329
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: Marvin and family Man and some of the other guys

1330
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 2: that were in the whalers to do the video for

1331
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: me on the north to do the video with me

1332
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 2: on the North shore in Jamaica. One night. It was

1333
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 2: for the song Everybody wants to go to Heaven, but

1334
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: nobody wants to go now. And we were done with

1335
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 2: the video and me and family Man said right there

1336
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: on the beach and talked about Bob's life, how they

1337
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: met each other, and family Man said something that I

1338
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: take with me to this day. He goes, Reggae and

1339
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: country are cousins. He goes, they tell it like it

1340
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: is and uncut and that's I went, Wow, what a

1341
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: great what a great thing to share with me. But Bob,

1342
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 2: we sat there on the beach and I have it recorded.

1343
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. That I asked him if

1344
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 2: I could record it. He said yeah, And that was

1345
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: one of the coolest things that's ever happened to me,

1346
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: and one of the coolest people that I ever met.

1347
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: And just to sit there and talk to him about

1348
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 2: his life and about what it was like, you know,

1349
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:03,879
Speaker 2: with him and Bob when they were just getting started

1350
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: and everything they went through, and it just goes to

1351
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 2: show you, like we all come from different places. We all,

1352
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, have different political beliefs, different religious beliefs.

1353
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: And that's no more evident evident than being on the

1354
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: road with over one hundred people. Right, they all didn't

1355
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: go to Cedar four Baptist Church and electoral Tennessee, Right,

1356
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 2: they have. So when you go out there on the road,

1357
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: you you get you get to see a lot of things,

1358
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: and you get to meet a lot of people who

1359
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: are just so so their heart is unbelievable and what

1360
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: that tell What that told me? And in collaborating with

1361
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: them and with you, look into the audience and all

1362
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: of it. We all come from different places, but we

1363
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: play the same notes. We really do. And that's what

1364
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 2: I learned from family man Bearrack. But we couldn't be

1365
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: more different. But we loved each other. And I felt

1366
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: the same way with Bruce. The first time I met Bruce,

1367
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: I thought he was the coolest person ever. We played

1368
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: in Holmedewe, New Jersey at the Amphitheater there and I

1369
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 2: get a call from Louis Messina and Louis goes, Bruce

1370
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 2: Springsteen's want to come to your show tonight. I went, yeah, whatever, Louie,

1371
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: and he drove to the show on his motorcycle and we,

1372
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 2: I mean literally, somebody's knocking on the bus door and

1373
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: I'm looking out and it's really Bruce, you know. And

1374
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,480
Speaker 2: he comes up and we get we say our pleasantries,

1375
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 2: we say hello, and and it was time for me

1376
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 2: to go on stage. And my rod manager David, walked

1377
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: Bruce to the front of house sound mix and he,

1378
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: I mean it was he felt very comfortable there. And

1379
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 2: he walked out to the front of house board and

1380
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: watched our show and at the time we had I

1381
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 2: had a horn section. I thought I felt like I

1382
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: was wanting to be different and I had a horn section.

1383
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: So I had Jim Horn, the famous saxophone player, and

1384
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: I had the trumpet. I had the whole thing. And

1385
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: Bruce came back on the bus after the show and

1386
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 2: he was he just loved that we had Jim Horn

1387
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 2: in the band. He couldn't believe it. But we sat

1388
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: there and talked for almost two hours, and that was

1389
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: one of the coolest experiences ever. And he was so

1390
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 2: humble and real and I and you hope, you really

1391
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: hope that when and I felt this way about Jimmy

1392
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 2: Buffett too, Like you you build up in your head

1393
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: before you meet your heroes who you think they are.

1394
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: And when I met Jimmy. I met Jimmy at the

1395
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 2: Four Seasons in a cabana in Vegas. He was out

1396
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 2: hanging out by the pool with a guy named Mick Ramos,

1397
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 2: and he was reading the Wall Street Journal and he

1398
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: was just he was so cool and wonderful to me.

1399
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: But he exceeded what I had built up in my head.

1400
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 2: Bruce was the same way. I mean, he he sat

1401
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: on the bus and we talked about songwriting and you know,

1402
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: and it was just amazing to hear it this come

1403
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 2: out out of his mouth. But he said, songwriting, you know,

1404
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 2: you can write a song on a half a piece

1405
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 2: of paper, and you can put that song in a

1406
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: drawer and you can come back to it two or

1407
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: three years later and pull that song out of the

1408
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: drawer and it'll still be there. He goes, Your life

1409
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: isn't like that. Your life is way more fluid, So

1410
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: pay attention to things that matter, is what What was

1411
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: his point? But to get a life lesson like that

1412
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: from the boss, it was like, wow, I mean this

1413
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: is that was one one one of the coolest persons

1414
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: and one of the coolest experiences that I had because honestly,

1415
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: he didn't have to be there and he didn't have

1416
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 2: to care enough to give me that advice.

1417
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta go to dinner, I do.

1418
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 4: I gotta go to talk to you.

1419
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you've you've gotta go. Yeah right, Sorry, I

1420
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: long winded.

1421
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, we could talk for you talk. I

1422
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: love it. I love that you're so forthcoming and honest.

1423
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 2: No, that's true. I love talking to you. Man, you

1424
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: know that, like I've learned in my life that you're

1425
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 2: an average of the five people you hang around the most, right,

1426
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 2: So you don't get to have these conversations every day.

1427
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 2: So I'm really enjoyed it.

1428
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen, I'll just talk from myself. It's

1429
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: not easy to find people on your wavelength, and when

1430
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: you do, you can't shut up because it's so exciting

1431
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: that someone's tuned into what you're saying.

1432
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: No, I get it, I get it. I appreciate it, man,

1433
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: I really do. And it was great met I have

1434
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: seen I don't think I've seen you at all since

1435
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: since it up that.

1436
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: La Now I haven't rock.

1437
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: Was there? We had a bunch of people, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1438
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 2: I remember. I remember I walked off the bus and

1439
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: walked through the hallway and there you were. You stuck

1440
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 2: your hand out.

1441
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely listen, Kenny, it's been wonderful the book. Certainly, once

1442
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: you get continue to Rule, you find its rhythm and

1443
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: it's really honest because at first, taken out, it seems simple,

1444
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: but that's because you're getting the essence and the essences

1445
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: to go through. And you know, a lot of these

1446
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: rock biographies if you read it okay, now, I know.

1447
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: I read it and I was thinking about the messages,

1448
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: and I was saying, yeah, you know what am I doing?

1449
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 1: And you know, as they say, it's not only for

1450
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: Kenny Chesney fans.

1451
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was more about you know, for me. Yes,

1452
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 2: we talk about certain vignettes and snapshots of my journey

1453
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: in my life, but if you pull back from all

1454
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: of it, Bob, it truly is about the dream of

1455
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: it all. And that's why in the beginning we have

1456
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 2: to set the simple stuff up to see how far

1457
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: this journey has taken me, you know, because yeah, I

1458
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: mean I didn't know if I was ever going to

1459
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 2: go past my county line. But these stories I'm telling

1460
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: you about Ashton family, man, Barrett and Bruce, and I

1461
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: mean I never saw that coming. I never would. You

1462
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 2: don't know, the dream of stuff. So the book is

1463
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: more about the dream of it all than it is

1464
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: about the actual experiences. I'm proud of the experiences, but

1465
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: this book, I mean, no matter what your dream is,

1466
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 2: if it's music, if it's whatever it is, the lessons

1467
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: are kind of the same. Just just just go do it.

1468
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: You know. People ask me all the time for advice

1469
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: and I'll leave you with this. But I get people

1470
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 2: asking me for advice these new kids and whether they're

1471
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 2: in the genre or whatever, and they ask me how

1472
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: you know how to make it? And I'm going that

1473
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: eternal voice in my head right there. I don't want

1474
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: to tell them this because I'm thinking this to myself.

1475
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: And I would never I would never deflate them at all.

1476
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking these guests, guys are never going to

1477
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: make it because you don't do it to make it

1478
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: in this world of celebrity, you know, these talent shows

1479
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: on TV and people calling it is to a drives

1480
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: me crazy. But you don't do it to make it.

1481
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: You do it because it's what you do. And that's

1482
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 2: why forty years from now or whenever the Good Lord

1483
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: calls me home, I won't be that disappointed, you know,

1484
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: because I got to do what I loved and I

1485
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: got to I did it because it's what I do.

1486
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: And well, just one point on that. Bob Dylan, who's

1487
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Speaker 1: famous for obsic skating but drops truth here and there.

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Speaker 1: He was interviewed on it could have been sixty minutes

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Speaker 1: and he said, I don't tell my people my hopes

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Speaker 1: and dreams because they would laugh and they deride because

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Speaker 1: they have no idea how big and powerful they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, but it is. I don't

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Speaker 2: know when people ask me for advice like that, but

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Speaker 2: when they especially when they say that they make it

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Speaker 2: and yeah, look, I was the same kid, and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to make it. But at some point you go, wow,

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Speaker 2: I would be doing this on some level if I

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Speaker 2: didn't make it. If I wasn't this version of Kenny Chesney, right,

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Speaker 2: I would be doing it somewhere, maybe a holiday in

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Speaker 2: on a Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but talking to you now, that's all fine.

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Speaker 1: In dandy Obviously, there was something deep inside you that

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Speaker 1: had to make whether it be in music or whatever,

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Speaker 1: whether it be you know, growing up with parents who

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Speaker 1: weren't together, growing up off the grid, you know, some

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Speaker 1: personal experience somewhere inside you had to say I'm special.

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Speaker 1: I have to leave my mark.

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Speaker 2: No, that's right. There was there was, and whatever that is,

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Speaker 2: it was fuel. I'm still figuring out what that was.

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Speaker 2: I said. If you ask me right now what that is,

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you. But it was fuel for sure.

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Speaker 2: Whatever that is, whether it was I wrote a song

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Speaker 2: about a girl in my persuasion class, ironically enough, at

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Speaker 2: East Tennessee State University. It was a Tuesday Thursday class

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Speaker 2: and there was a girl that sat beside me and

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Speaker 2: I was trying to persuade her to go out with me.

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Speaker 2: And it was the first song I ever wrote in

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Speaker 2: my life, and I went, I want to write her

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Speaker 2: a song, you know. So I did that and I

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Speaker 2: gave it to her on a Thursday and it split

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Speaker 2: it across the table. So I had to wait all weekend, okay, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

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Speaker 2: and then to go back into class on Tuesday to

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Speaker 2: see how she felt about it. Well, when I walked in,

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Speaker 2: she was sitting in the furthest corner she could possibly

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Speaker 2: sit for me, and I went, hmmm, I got my

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Speaker 2: songwriter has got to get a little bit better, you know. So,

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Speaker 2: whether it's that, that was my first taste of rejection

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Speaker 2: in the music business ever. And so whether it was

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Speaker 2: that or who whatever, it was, my humble upbringings, whatever

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Speaker 2: it was, it was fuel to do whatever, to keep

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Speaker 2: the drive, you know, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just one final philipathy. Did you ever talk to

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Speaker 1: the bull again?

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Speaker 2: No? I never did.

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Speaker 1: I never talked to.

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Speaker 2: The girl again, and I just decided, you know, I've

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Speaker 2: got it before I talked to her, Before I send

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Speaker 2: another girl a song, I've got to get a little

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Speaker 2: bit better.

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Speaker 1: Well, you certainly got a whole tone better. We've been talking,

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Speaker 1: Tony chesh. We're leaving a lot on the table, but

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Speaker 1: we got a lot there.

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Speaker 2: We'll go around to you one day, Bob, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Kenny, you gotta go.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go, all right, man, until next time. I

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, it was great. Till next time. This is

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Speaker 1: Bob left sets