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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I welcome to Stephan never told you a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: And ye'all it's spooky season.

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Speaker 3: Happy spooky season, yeah, or soup season or both both?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you know what that means for our feminist

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Speaker 3: movie Friday.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Either we're doing something spooky or something traumatizing or hey,

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Speaker 3: maybe both we love both. Well, yes, I think for

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Speaker 3: this one it's both. And we're also leading more into

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Speaker 3: just wait, what like that's kind of how I fell

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Speaker 3: at the end of the movie.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah before we start spoilers ahead, as it was only

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Speaker 3: released in twenty twenty two, but is now available on Shutter,

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Speaker 3: which has become the go to streaming network for all

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Speaker 3: of horror movie needs. Not a sponsor at this current time,

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Speaker 3: just fy, but it just turns out to be that

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Speaker 3: way because it's literally a horror movie channel. So yep,

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Speaker 3: you know if you didn't know. And we're talking about

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Speaker 3: the movie Sissy, an Australian independent horror movie written and

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Speaker 3: directed by Hannah Barlow and Caine Scenes and by the way,

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Speaker 3: Barlow also plays a role of Emma, the long lost

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Speaker 3: best friend within the movie, but before we get into

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Speaker 3: that content. Warning, lots of blood, gore, all the things, death,

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Speaker 3: mental health, violence, and bullying. Surprisingly not much sexual stuff

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Speaker 3: in this, which is rare for a horror movie, independent

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Speaker 3: horror movie. I feel like, so, you know, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: that it's just straight gore.

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Speaker 2: Here you go, yep, here you go. Yeah, I saw

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Speaker 2: this movie. I mean, I've just seen whatever I can

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Speaker 2: find now. But it came up on so many lists. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was like I kept reading the description or it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I feel like this might hit too close to home.

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Speaker 2: And then I eventually was like, now I gotta watch it,

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Speaker 2: and it stuck with me. I will tell you that

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Speaker 2: it's stuck with.

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Speaker 3: Me, right. I think when I brought up this as

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Speaker 3: a possibility, your response was, oh, I have things to

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Speaker 3: say about that.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, and that's what I got.

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Speaker 2: Yep, which we'll talk about. I do have things to

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Speaker 2: say about it. I'm excited to hear it.

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Speaker 3: We purposely did not talk about it, even though we'd

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Speaker 3: watched it a while ago. So the movie, yeah, actually,

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Speaker 3: as Aie has mentioned, has topped many lists for its creativity,

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Speaker 3: dark humor, and social commentary. As The Guardian writes, quote Sissy,

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Speaker 3: a very sassy and diabolically entertaining new Australian horror movie

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Speaker 3: from the director writing team Hannah Barlow and Canning Scenes

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Speaker 3: puts in its satirical crosshairs two things once believed to

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Speaker 3: be good for humankind, but now widely regarded as evidence

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Speaker 3: of our continued discent. It is self inflicted destruction social

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Speaker 3: media and the wellness industry. So that's the critique that

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Speaker 3: I think was like, Okay, all right, I guess that's

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Speaker 3: a pretty good introduction to what this movie is. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is on top ten lists and like top for

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Speaker 3: horror movies, especially newer horror movies, and Rotten Tomatoes have

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Speaker 3: really high rating justin f Why so let's get into

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Speaker 3: the plot.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

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Speaker 3: The movie opens with a scene of Cecilia played by

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Speaker 3: Asha Dee, recording a wellness session for her social media page,

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Speaker 3: where she has over two hundred thousand followers. We see

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Speaker 3: a preview of her life as an influencer who thrives

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Speaker 2: And then we soon meet Emma, who Cecilia runs into

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Speaker 2: into it's been years since they had met, and Cecilia

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Speaker 2: And then at this engagement party, we meet Fran, Emma's fiance,

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Speaker 2: After Cecilia reminisces about her pastimes with Emma via childhood

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Speaker 3: So here we meet Emma and Frans friends Jamie and Tracy,

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Speaker 3: When they all arrived at their very fancy home in

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Speaker 3: Of course, this is not the case. During dinner, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. M Well, that night, Cecilia has a nightmare about

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Speaker 3: Then he runs away from Cecilia, but because he has

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Speaker 3: Later we find out that Alex isn't dead, but she

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Speaker 2: Yes, because Fran was the one that was like, you

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Speaker 3: Oh really those there's a few scenes like this where

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well. Cecilia returns to the house, where she beats

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Speaker 2: her nails. But soon Emma gets free and starts beating

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Speaker 2: After realizing her mistake, she turns to Cecilia but is

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Speaker 3: Right, So later we come to the end scene of

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Speaker 3: Is Cecilia, right, Like Cecilia, yeah, like you kind of

437
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: could have felt sorry for her, but then it starts

438
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: windling to like, oh, she's not real, she's a liar.

439
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: She's right, yeah in that level, yeah.

440
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: Like a liar is a good word. She And So

441
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: it was just interesting because I feel like a lot

442
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: of times the setup is you have the bully, the

443
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: transgressor you have the bullied, you root for them. She

444
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: was bullied, like I'm not going to take that away

445
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: from her, but she also was terrible. Like whether it

446
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: was from that or not, because the movie doesn't there's

447
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: a lot of instances and I know we're going to

448
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: talk about this in a second, but there's a lot

449
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: of instances where you're like, Okay, so she's dissociating, she's

450
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: having this like breakdown mentally, like, but it never explains

451
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: it other than like the things that you see.

452
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 3: Yeah right, which yeah, comes into our other theme, mental health,

453
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 3: which is okay, this is that they tried to set

454
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: it up as if she had this associate of identity,

455
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: this order, but she really doesn't. She just makes her

456
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: choices and then leans into these things, including the conversation

457
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: of just being in denial and which she says, I'm

458
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: not sissy, I'm not sissy, I'm not sissy, which is

459
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: a theme, which is why we talked about the fact

460
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 3: that she was sissy as a kid and then growing

461
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 3: up she's like, I'm Cecilia. It's Cecilia, which completely understandable.

462
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 3: There are so many things and especially if you've been

463
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: bullied with your nickname, so I get that. So they

464
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 3: kind of changed that in that perspective, so you think

465
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: for a minute, she has disassociative identity disorder, and she

466
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 3: like blacks out and stabs her in the face, which

467
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: by the way, is one of the most gruesome I

468
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god. And then the dream scene

469
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: where she talks about the scar on Alex you see

470
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: her actually put her hand underneath the scar as if

471
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: like it's still a fresh wound. It was a yeah,

472
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: but all these things that she also regrets doing.

473
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: That is kind of kind of pictures that. But I

474
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: don't think she does.

475
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: No, I think she regrets and I'm not even sure

476
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: if that's the right word. She's sad, she's mad. She

477
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: lost right, right, and that was the catalyst of her

478
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: really losing Emma. And like we didn't even talk about

479
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: the necklace. Yeah, she takes the friendship necklace.

480
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Which did you have one of those?

481
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: I did?

482
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: I did too, I did too, I had one of those.

483
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 6: I didn't do.

484
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: But I think it was meant for romantic. It was

485
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 2: like the broken heart one that you put together.

486
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is the broken heart one for the

487
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: best friends. Okay, so that's yeah, because mine was the

488
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: broken heart one that was the best friends. And it

489
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: wasn't real gold or it was plate in gold, so

490
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: if they grain or something, I'm not gonna lie. I'm

491
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: not really sure who was from.

492
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.

493
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 6: I don't know.

494
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 2: Oh, no friend.

495
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the necklace was a big key because she took

496
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 3: it off because she was jealous. A but you could

497
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: see the difference in gifts from the childhood, Like obviously

498
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: Cecilia didn't have a lot of money, so she got

499
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: her like silly nell polish, which Emma kept the entire time,

500
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: and like trinkets that she had made, as where Alex

501
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: comes in with this gold necklace that that she got

502
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: for her, you know, like it was very obvious. And

503
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: then all the girls because there was twins, which why

504
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: do they have to have twins? I'm like that was

505
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: weird twins who helped mock Cecilia or Sissy when she

506
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: was younger. They're all wearing the same dresses, so they

507
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: kind of like implies and maybe Alex had bought them

508
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: all dresses to show that they're all like a big

509
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: group of friends and Cecilia was not a part of this,

510
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: so that's interesting to me. But yeah, the whole mental

511
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: health bit, but like pushing her to that edge, you're

512
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, again, we talked about whether it

513
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: was the idea yeah or it wasn't. And then but

514
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: we also see like Emma trying to be nice, but

515
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: Emma saying like you wouldn't want to come anyway, So

516
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what that was about.

517
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that was a missed.

518
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something, and then the back and forth that

519
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: Alice just keeps calling her crazy essentially in a psychopath Yeah.

520
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: And I think this is one of the things that

521
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: I also really was interested in when I saw it,

522
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, because you see her as

523
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: this it's I mean, like you said, it starts out

524
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: this very idyllic mental health like wellness thing she's doing

525
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: for her followers. She has that circle that you make

526
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: and all of these things, and then as the plot

527
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: unravels and you see, okay, I mean or like charitably,

528
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: she is not in a good place, right, I don't.

529
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: There are a lot of indicators that you know, she's

530
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: having some kind of like PTSD freezing flashback thing. But

531
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: it also felt like at some times she was just

532
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: like thinking, oh no, if this gets out right, I'll

533
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: lose everything, right, and so she was freezing because of that.

534
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: But to see like and throughout the movie she does

535
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: this like she could have just killed someone, she'll like

536
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: start up the video and do the whole thing and

537
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: be calm that I just thought that was really telling

538
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: me about what what the social media landscape, how it's

539
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: so fake. A lot of times it is so like

540
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: catered to people that you can't trust it. And that's

541
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: not to say you can't you know, do these things.

542
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: And it may be what she was doing was helpful

543
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: for some people, but behind the scenes, if we had

544
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: known behind the scenes, we probably wouldn't be watching her.

545
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 3: It was about wellness, right, So the one thing that

546
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: I thought was interesting with that mental health stuff is

547
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: that wellness grou versus the therapist.

548
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: Like they purposely put those two together, obviously.

549
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: And if anyone was the good guy in this again,

550
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: it would have been fran maybe Emma, But at the

551
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: end Emma was like, uh, you're kind of cruel, Like

552
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: I get you didn't you were passive in all of this,

553
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: but that's still just as bad. But like I also

554
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting because as you were talking about

555
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: all her little sessions, one being the beginning, what she

556
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: does the hyperventilation thing, which I know is an actual thing.

557
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: I remember doing this at a yoga session. I almost

558
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: had a full fledged panic attack because it was not

559
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: done correctly. Because you do not have a space to

560
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: teach people what kind of mental place that you have

561
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: to be in and how to guide that and if

562
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: you have a class of literally fifty people thirty people,

563
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: and you're not sure what their state is and you're

564
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: having them do this not smart. So having a wellness

565
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: influencer do this online with two hundred thousand people viewing

566
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: or more, it's really really irresponsible. And I think they

567
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: did that on purpose because I remember thinking as I

568
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: was watching this, I'm about to have a panic attack.

569
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: It looks like she's about to have a panic attack too, purposely,

570
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: So I'm like, huh, I.

571
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: Think they did that on purpose.

572
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: I think the filmmakers made you do something that they

573
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: knew was not oftentimes done incorrectly and oftentimes done without

574
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: regard to understanding why it's used and when it's used,

575
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: which she does that throughout out, which I was like, Okay,

576
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: that's the perfect opening scene because you're already paymicked if

577
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: you're paying attention.

578
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels wrong. The whole thing just feels off.

579
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Immediately you're like, oh no, and like going off of

580
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: that too, I feel like, you know, in a way,

581
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: this makes sense. And one of the reasons I was like,

582
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: I have stuff to say about this is I worry

583
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: about this with this show is because we try to

584
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: be very clear we're not experts on anything, but we

585
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: talk about like our own personal experiences and people relate

586
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: to that. But one of the things she does is

587
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: I think she thinks she had this trauma as a

588
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: child and she's been getting trying to get over it

589
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: or trying to like she's trying to convince herself she's fine,

590
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: and she's made this business out of it, like trying

591
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: to convince herself she's fine and telling people, you know,

592
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: ride this rope and it works, so basically like turning

593
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: her trauma into a profit. And then we see that

594
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: really pay off at the end when she's like, thanks,

595
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: I survived this thing because of that, you please go

596
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: buy my book. So I feel like it comes full

597
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: circle in that way where she is. It starts off

598
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: with you know, she has this trauma and you see

599
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: her and everything feels kind of off, but she's trying

600
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: to like do this wellness thing, and you just realize, like,

601
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: oh no, she does not have this figured out. She

602
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: does not know what she's doing, and she's sort of

603
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: just using it like her trauma and like the wellness

604
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: part that comes from that to sell stuff and make

605
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: a business.

606
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: And I think the purposely leave out. I don't think

607
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: she has it, like she may have been detained or something.

608
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: They don't really talk about it, and they don't talk

609
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: about she doesn't talk about ever going to therapy ever. No,

610
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: so where does she even learn these things, which is

611
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: hilarious to me, which she had to kind of admit

612
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: to Fran who was like, I this is my tenth

613
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: year in school, trying to get a doctorate, trying.

614
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: To figure that out.

615
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: But like stepping into I thought this one scene was

616
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: hysterical but also really really disturbing. When she's burying Alex,

617
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 3: she stops to make a video about how she's digging

618
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: the dirt and replanting things like in order to give

619
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: back in the sustainability because she's hiking and ruining the ecosystem.

620
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: But in actuality, she just thinks that she has killed

621
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: a person. So she's burying her and in the middle

622
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: of it, she's sitting next to it, and you see

623
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: a mound and it's literally the body of someone she

624
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: accidentally killed that she thinks that she has killed, and

625
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: she is all covered in dirt and actually blood, but

626
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: you can't see the blood part of the way she's

627
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: cut it off, which again shows meticulous planning. So like

628
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: she does this whole thing as a video and has

629
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: all these using clicks for.

630
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: It, right, and it's very like she's reframing it into

631
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: making it this thing she can sell and this thing

632
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: she can like turn around and be positive with. But

633
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: also I feel like, yeah, the fact that she cut

634
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: off off all this horror around her again goes back

635
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: to like social media and what we see on social

636
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: media and how it is so controlled and so like

637
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: thought out. I mean, the funny version of that is

638
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: like people don't wear pants anymore.

639
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Right, right.

640
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: But the horrible version of that is there's literally blood

641
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: in a dead right, right, but neither so I.

642
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Mean it kind of began that way as well.

643
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: So you see her perfect little room with only the

644
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: pink wall, and then she walks with all these dirty

645
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 3: dishes everywhere. She's just eating pizza from a box and

646
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: sitting and watching from a very like antique TV all

647
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: the news, all the horrible things going on in the world.

648
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: That's right, that's true. Yeah, I mean it's that part

649
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: of it. As people in this industry, I was like,

650
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: oh no.

651
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 3: No, well, I mean the a good example, really sad

652
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: example right now, is someone is coming under fire and

653
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: TikTok after reporting some misinformation about what's going on in

654
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Speaker 3: the world and saying, hey, everybody, you can take a

655
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: break from social media. You can take a break, and

656
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: everybody else can be like, what is wrong with you?

657
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 3: People are dying and you're telling people to ignore it.

658
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: Take care of yourself, ignore this. This is how you

659
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: block these And there's this back and forth of like, you,

660
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: as an influencer, how do you instead of backtracking and

661
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 3: saying I'm sorry for this and these are the things

662
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: that we need to do from all the backlash, just

663
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 3: saying take a break.

664
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Speaker 1: You can take a break, and.

665
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: It's such a like divide and divorce from reality and

666
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: that they have come under pretty harsh scrutiny, as I

667
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: think they deserve it, because as much as we would

668
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: love to say, let's take a break, and there's a

669
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Speaker 3: difference from healthy understanding to trying to ignore it and

670
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: pretending something isn't existing and who that really affects and

671
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: the privilege in that, and it's like being so obtuse

672
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: in a conversation that you do this as a way

673
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 3: of gaining.

674
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Speaker 1: More popularity.

675
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that's the thing with influencers is it's

676
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: such a new media where people can make money. It's

677
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: not new media, but like people making money on it

678
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: is pretty new, and we've talked a lot about the

679
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: issues with it. I got a big juggle when I

680
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: was going on a work trip and they were like,

681
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: are you an influencer? You have to fill this out.

682
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think so, I have.

683
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: Initial producer Andrew said that we weren't. I was like,

684
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: are you talking about no or no, we're not selling anything.

685
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: We're not on social media. I guess we do sell

686
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: things when we ad yeah.

687
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Speaker 2: But it's more a traditional I don't know. I mean,

688
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: there is a blur obviously. But one of the things

689
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: with this character I think is also we've talked before

690
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: about things like spawn con and how you know, people

691
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: like the Kardashians have gotten find millions of dollars for

692
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: not being honest when they are selling you something and

693
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: not being clear about that they're selling you something and

694
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: it was sponsored. And so I feel like the wellness industry,

695
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, is a very strange place for

696
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: that because it's a very like this will help you,

697
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: this is good for you and your mental health. But

698
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: have they do they know that? Do they have any training? Right?

699
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Are they just telling you that to sell you something?

700
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Speaker 5: Right?

701
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: And which again in this specific movie, they did a

702
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: twist with an elon masks, which threw me off completely.

703
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what, what's happening?

704
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: What did I just say? Which was quite a funny

705
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 3: take on the entire thing. And with that, we've talked

706
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: about this before about the addiction to likes and follows

707
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: and comments or going viral and like that addiction to

708
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: get that constant feedback, which we hear the ding ding

709
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: ding ding ding ding Dean in the movie, and that's

710
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: purposeful how she uses that, and she actually uses that

711
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 3: during the worst parts of like her horrific killing spree,

712
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: to keep her going. So she's not lying when she

713
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: said I thought of you. It's literally those dings that

714
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: pushed her to be like, I gotta lie about this,

715
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: I gotta cover this up, I gotta figure this out.

716
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, especially early on before she's like killed anyone,

718
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: if she has these like intense moments where she's being

719
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 2: kind of bullied at this dinner or whatever, she she'll

720
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: post she'll poke something and you'll hear that dinging and

721
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: she feels better, like she's relying on it.

722
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she literally puts the phone to her heart like.

723
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: Yes, like it's giving her the validation or like, okay,

724
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: people love me. See these people, yeah, love me, and

725
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: she can't lose them, Like the fear of losing them

726
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: is what drives her to be like, Okay, I'll push

727
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: this guy off the c Yeah.

728
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Speaker 3: I mean it drove her to kill Alex because she

729
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: was afraid of beings, so she was like, I'm gonna Kelly.

730
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: But of course we also have to talk about the

731
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 3: movie tropes with the themes in here, Uh, queer people

732
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Speaker 3: dying immediately like to see that, y'all.

733
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Speaker 1: Yep, I get that you kind of were.

734
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Speaker 3: It's kind of the whole like sad but true type

735
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: of things, like at least it's centers around not sinners,

736
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Speaker 3: but at least it has good, healthy queer relationships in here.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think I died because I loved Emma

738
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: and France relationship.

739
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, too bad.

740
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Speaker 3: And I love that it was just normalized that it

741
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: wasn't anything big, like it was just like it wasn't like,

742
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: oh we have to celebrate extra It's just.

743
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: Like hey, they're they're great together here it is.

744
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: Of course, we had to have uh the mistake and

745
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 3: identities death between Emma and so Soliet, which I thought

746
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: was interesting.

747
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Speaker 5: I was like, wow, that's new. I guess yeah, yeah,

748
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: that it was unfortunate scene. A lot of it was so.

749
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Speaker 4: Right all things.

750
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: And then we've got the accidental horrific deaths, the bathtub scene.

751
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: I feel like at least every movie that tries to

752
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: put themselves on the mark has to have something over

753
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: the top that's unexpected and different way to die.

754
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the art of the death scene. I feel like

755
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: I talked about that all movie Crush once, but yes,

756
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: it's absolutely like you've got to have one where the

757
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: I always say listeners because we do podcasting. The viewers

758
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: are like, well, how is this person going to I

759
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: know they're going to die, but how is it going

760
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: to be unique to all the other deaths that I've seen?

761
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: And that was a pretty that was pretty horrific.

762
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Speaker 3: I mean like I expected her to drown her not

763
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: that not that are being sucked up.

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Speaker 2: I'll also say that this has been a big trend

765
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Speaker 2: in horror movies within the past like five years. It's

766
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: always been around but I feel like a lot of

767
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: new movies I've seen of the friend who accidentally the

768
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: friend group, it's usually a group, but in this one

769
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Speaker 2: it was just Cecilia, but a friend group accidentally kills

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Speaker 2: a friend, tries to hide the death because they know

771
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: they'd o ruin their future whatever, and then they all

772
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: kind of accidentally die and turn against each other. This

773
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: was much more just like Cecilia and things rolling out

774
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: of control, right, But it is interesting to me that

775
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: that's such a trend in horror movies, the accidental death

776
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: and then the covering up of the accidental death.

777
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, like I do definitely remember I remember

778
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: what you did last summer, which has that trope. I

779
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of like women turning into witches

780
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: are accidental deaths sometimes like it's covered up or in

781
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 3: between that that's how it's discovered. Like we feel that

782
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: happens a lot, but yeah, that is that is a

783
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: true thing. And then of course we the mental health

784
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: and that's the reason that they became killer, except they

785
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: turned that on the head instead of being like it's

786
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: not necessarily because you kind of decide, oh, no, it's

787
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: not because of mental health. She's just violent, like she's

788
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: just gonna do whatever she has to do to remain

789
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: an influencer and the victim and the main character in

790
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: her story, which I found interesting, which we've talked about

791
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: it not too long ago, about the fact that there

792
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: are more and more studies coming out now because social

793
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: media and TikTok has become bigger and bigger, that there

794
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: are now links to possible mental health diagnosis because of

795
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: the addiction to social media or what you're getting through

796
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: social media. Of course, this could be the same kind

797
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: of studies that we had what about video games and violence,

798
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: and it's kind of like, eh, that's more of an

799
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: excuse and maybe an underlying condition that we need to

800
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: talk about rather than the cause and effect being the

801
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: video games. So it could be the same thing about

802
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: social media but how it's changing people today, So that

803
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: could be that kind of conversation as well. So do

804
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: they become killers because of that? Though we have seen

805
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: that as more and more of a trope of like

806
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: social media becoming the reason.

807
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There's a whole genre of usually not

808
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: very good movies, to be honest, but some of them

809
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: are good. Like you unfriend somebody on Facebook, and.

810
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: Then murderers, right, or you get a parasocial relationship that

811
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: becomes a whole a level and that becomes a plot.

812
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do think there have been what

813
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: I would call pretty respectable sword I'm landing on. I

814
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: don't know if that's quite right, but the studies that

815
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm like that has probably got some truth to it,

816
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: where especially around women and girls and body image and

817
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: like finding that kind of you know, going to get

818
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: cosmetic surgery because of filters on social media. But I

819
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: could see it like applying here with her image she

820
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: curated and wanting so badly to protect that image. So

821
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: it's not quite it's not necessarily mental health, but the

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00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: social media didn't help what was already going on, right, Yeah.

823
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Right, I did.

824
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 3: I think the movie in itself was well done.

825
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: I think it again makes you think.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that the writer and director had a lot

827
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: of cinematic imagination and creativity because again, like the lighting

828
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: in the house would change from day to night. It

829
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: was pretty fascinating how they did that, the outdoor scenes

830
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: versus the indoor scenes, Like, it was very very interesting.

831
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: Again the beginning and end, you know, they had that

832
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: when they started that movie. This is how I wanted

833
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: to begin and ended. Yeah, so of course, like and

834
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: everything else fell in between, but that obviously was a

835
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: big point to it. I feel like Pink had It's

836
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: very like that had its own little plot for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: And I feel like Asha d did an amazing Jacapane.

839
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 3: She's a really big actress in Australia and it's known

840
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: and again, and she did a fantastic job of portraying

841
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: this like unsympathetic but sympathetic character.

842
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really did, because, like I said, I've spent

843
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: the first half like wait, I'm supposed to be sympathetic

844
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: towards you. In the second half I was like, oh

845
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: things have changed, Oh changed? Yeah, I really really enjoyed it.

846
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Speaker 5: It.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it stuck with me, which I think

848
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: is the sign of a good horror movie. It was funny,

849
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: but I was I was very disturbed. I left like, oo,

850
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to think about this. Yeah, my gosh,

851
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: she's selling that book.

852
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah that was quite I'm like, oh wow, the

853
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: book and the rope.

854
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, uh will you recommend it? If this is

855
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: your thing you like horror movies? I recommend Yes, It's always.

856
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: In the meantime, if you have any recommendations for movies

857
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: we should do next, please let us know. You can

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Speaker 2: email us at Sepidia Moms Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 2: Maya and our contributor Joey. Thank you and thanks to

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