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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is known. They called me Ben You of course

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Speaker 1: are you? And that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Today we're delving into a conspiracy, conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theory more than one years old, and it's one that

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Speaker 1: still affects the world today. Something that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: story just ripped straight from some kind of Tom Clancy

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Speaker 1: political filler, but it actually happened. Yeah, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. It's really about this bigger idea that a

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Speaker 1: single person can, for better or worse, actually change the world.

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Speaker 1: It's like what you're mom told you, only true. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh so traveled back with us. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the early twentieth century. There are all sorts

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Speaker 1: of dramatic breakthroughs in technology. They are all sorts of

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Speaker 1: fundamentally historic human moments. But unbeknownst to most, the world

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Speaker 1: was inching closer and closer to a deadly global conflict.

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Speaker 1: And it's what we today referred to as World War One.

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Speaker 1: What was World War One? You ask, Well, we shall

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Speaker 1: tell you starting with the fact that World War One

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Speaker 1: began in July of nineteen fourteen and lasted until November

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Speaker 1: of nineteen eighteen. And during that time, Germany, Austria, Hungary,

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Speaker 1: thanks to a lot of this new technology been alluded

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Speaker 1: to earlier. We're talking about trench warfare, mustard gas, all

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Speaker 1: kinds of the types of tank that you could build

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Speaker 1: One died of carnage and just human destruction, just utter, utter,

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Speaker 1: the ally Powers claimed victory, but it's at best epyric

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Speaker 1: victory because we're talking about a death toll of more

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Speaker 1: than sixteen million people, civilians and soldiers alike. I mean,

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Speaker 1: with the technology that we have now and the way

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Speaker 1: in comparison. To what we're talking about here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this was just astronomical numbers whole buddy. If you think

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Speaker 1: that European political relations are complicated and screwing, now are

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Speaker 1: you in for a wild ride. In the early twenties century,

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Speaker 1: Europe was very much a continent in transition, with a

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Speaker 1: And when I when we say like a continent in transition,

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Speaker 1: there were powerhouse economies like Austria, Hungary and Germany, and

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Speaker 1: Even now, a hundred years later, century more later, scholars

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Speaker 1: and historians continue to debate the causes of this war.

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Speaker 1: We have a little overview for you of some of

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Speaker 1: the most often cited contributing factors. One of the biggest ones,

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Speaker 1: it's this concept of mutual defense agreements. So countries that

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Speaker 1: to create this lethal domino effect. Yea, and and several

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Speaker 1: They have an agreement with Serbia and France. So I

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Speaker 1: You gotta be careful with onion dip? You know it's

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Speaker 1: not They're not not All onion dips are created equal.

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Speaker 1: So what happened in uh World War one is it's

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Speaker 1: this wonderful thing called nationalism that is a double edged sword,

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Speaker 1: that ceremony where they close and open the gate is amazing,

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Speaker 1: to swallow a cyanide pill as well. This one also

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Speaker 1: did not work, as where are they getting the cyanide

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Speaker 1: pills from a person who's really bad at making cyanide pills,

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Speaker 1: so as he raised his gun to his temple, the

429
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Speaker 1: deed was done six temper Tyrannus and all that. So

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Speaker 1: he's ready to take his own life, but authorities intervened

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Speaker 1: arrested him before he could shoot himself. Imagine a hand

432
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Speaker 1: grabbing the wrist and now it just fires into the air,

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Speaker 1: and they of course beat the ever loving Christ out

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Speaker 1: of the guy, but they kept him alive, and they

435
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Speaker 1: kept him in jail, and that's when we saw the

436
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: immediate aftermath. Things escalated. This is when you start to

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Speaker 1: see the conspiracy beat skin to be exposed to the authorities,

438
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: or at least officially, and the right people are starting

439
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 1: to see it. The inevitable events were all set in motion.

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Speaker 1: So Germany and Austria Hungary demanded a massive investigation into

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Speaker 1: what exactly happened, how did this happen and who was involved?

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00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: And the Serbian prime minister gave zero. Since we're family show,

443
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Speaker 1: I'll say Frank's zero Franks. He gave zero Franks. But

444
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: he literally told them that not only did he not

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00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: know anything about this plot, but that quote nothing had

446
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Speaker 1: been done so far and the matter did not concern

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00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: the Serbian government who Germany asked Russia to intercede. Russia

448
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: was like yeah, yeah. So then one July, Austria Hungary

449
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: issued a letter with ten demands to ensure the destruction

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Speaker 1: of the anti Austrian network in Serbia, and this document

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Speaker 1: became known as the July Ultimate Ument. Here are a

452
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Speaker 1: few choice excerpts. So they cited earlier international agreements respecting

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Speaker 1: sovereignty and peaceful relations. They also gave Serbia forty eight

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Speaker 1: hours to respond. They put a clock on that biz

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Speaker 1: and then Serbia accepted all but one demand, which was

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Speaker 1: to allow Austrian military investigators into Serbian territories. But it

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Speaker 1: turns out there was another conspiracy of play here Austria.

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Speaker 1: You see, Austria Hungary had absolutely no intention of accepting anything. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They were set to reject whatever response Serbia gave. And

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Speaker 1: they were doing this because Germany wanted a full scale

461
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Speaker 1: war and this was the perfect opportunity. On July, Austria

462
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: Hungary declared war. Hold on, you're saying Germany wanted to

463
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Speaker 1: start a world war? Histories long, it is, indeed, why

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Speaker 1: don't we hear a quick word from our sponsor and

465
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Speaker 1: we're back now, Multiple multiple shows have examined World War

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Speaker 1: One in various facets that have been many wonderful books

467
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: written about it. When I said wonderful, I don't mean

468
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: they're joy to read. I mean they're very well written. Yeah,

469
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: they're full of information. So we're looking at just this

470
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: small conspiracy, this this powder keg right and rather than

471
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: the war entire So our big question is what became

472
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: of the Black Hand. So there were multiple conspirators involved

473
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Speaker 1: in this fiasco, and they were exposed, so they were

474
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: caught and they served prison time or were executed. So

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: then towards the end of nineteen sixteen, the Prime Minister

476
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Speaker 1: of Servia decided the Hand had outlived its usefulness and

477
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Speaker 1: resolved to destroy the organization. Yeah, it seems like such

478
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: a difficult thing to do once all of those tendrils

479
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: have been released and the cells exist separately, right, I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: you can cut off the head, you know, you can

481
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: cut off one head of a multi headed monster, and

482
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Speaker 1: you know, send a message. And so by nineteen seventeen,

483
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Speaker 1: this Prime Minister had arrested a lot of the leaders.

484
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, you you start taking out the people

485
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: who are making decisions, including APIs, the leader of the

486
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Speaker 1: Black Hand was subjected to a real life kangaroo court,

487
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Speaker 1: and a kangaroo court is much less fun than it sounds. Yep.

488
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Speaker 1: Kangaroo court is something where it's a farce rather than

489
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Speaker 1: a real legal investigation. So despite the fact that he

490
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: and his other co conspirators were very obviously not the

491
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: assassins of this other assassination attempt, um, he was convicted

492
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: of it, and he, along with three colleagues, was executed

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Speaker 1: by firing squad in the twenty six of June nineteen seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And for many um this this is a a significant

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Speaker 1: ending milestone in the story of the Black Hand, and

496
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: increasingly its history continues. You know, this is further and

497
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: further and further away from us. Now, if I've done

498
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: the math right, no one listening to our show was

499
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: around when this happens. I don't want to pigeonhole anybody.

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00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: So if you were there firsthand, if you used to

501
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: hang out at a sandwich shop in Sarajevo, let us know.

502
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: But right now, I mean, we're joking a little bit.

503
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: But right now it leads us to the immediate question,

504
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: which is why should we still remember this story? Well,

505
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: because really this is just one example of how easily

506
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Speaker 1: this thing that we call civilization, all of the organization,

507
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: all of the uh the working together and the economies

508
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: and all of this, how easily it can collapse in

509
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: on itself with one small little thing because of disagreements

510
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: between groups of people. And there's a big, big difference.

511
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Speaker 1: Today our species possesses weapons of war capable of flattening

512
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Speaker 1: the planet damn near everything on it. And we're literally

513
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: we could be one wrong turn away from that. Yikes.

514
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Speaker 1: And you have to imagine this black hand that was

515
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Speaker 1: operating inside this government right, um in all parts of

516
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: it are a lot of various different parts. You have

517
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: to imagine today if you look at we're just gonna

518
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna use the United States government in military as

519
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: an example because that's where we are. But if there

520
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: are small cells, splinter groups that believe very whole, wholeheartedly

521
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: a certain way, believe that just as an example, that

522
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: the United States should break up again and turn into

523
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: independent states. Right, you have a small group of operatives

524
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: who exist and they're in high places there in low places,

525
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: they're strategically placed throughout the government in the military. That

526
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: is a possibility, that's a hypothetical, hypothetical, but that kind

527
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: of thing could exist anywhere, and when you bring into play,

528
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: like you said, Ben, our technology to destroy the world,

529
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty terrifying. Yeah, it's it's the problem is not

530
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: that it's possible, it's that it's plausible, you know. And

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Speaker 1: then you know, I think you raised a great point

532
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Speaker 1: when you said it's almost it's almost certain that there's

533
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Speaker 1: some version of this somewhere that exists now with access

534
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: to weapons that people World War One could not imagine.

535
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: So if those groups exist, and we're not saying that

536
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: we have proof that they do, but if they exist,

537
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: what are they up to? Now? That's the stuff they

538
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And we'd like to know

539
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: what you think about this. What lessons can we learn

540
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: from the Black Hand do you have? Have you heard

541
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Speaker 1: any theories in your neck of the global woods about

542
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the activities of any similar group? And speaking of hearing

543
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: from you, that reminds me it's time for shot at Kona.

544
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Our first shout out comes from Lannell. I hope I'm

545
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: saying that right, Lennell. If I'm not, I just said

546
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: it twice incorrectly, Lenell says, Hi, Ben Mattin Noel, I've

547
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: enjoyed your show for some time and finally had an

548
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: excuse to write in. I am a chemist working for

549
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: a small chemical company, and for many years, one of

550
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: my primary jobs was to answer questions from customers. I

551
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: got a call several years ago from a man with

552
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: a heavy accent looking for red mercury. I had never

553
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: heard of this, and the man did not give much

554
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: of an explanation about what he was looking for. The

555
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: name didn't make sense to me as a chemist, and

556
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: the call. It remained a mystery until I listened to

557
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: your episode. Now I wonder if I had a conversation

558
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: with a would be terrorist. Uh And Lennell says, I

559
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: love the show. Please continue exploring the strange ideas out there.

560
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, it's interesting to hear from

561
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: some firsthand experience of getting a call for red mercury.

562
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: You know. And I'm still I still on offense about

563
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: that one. Guys, I don't you know, is it all

564
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: a shaggy dog story? I am still not sure. So

565
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: thank you so much for writing in, Lennel and our

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: next Our next letter arrives from Jenna. She says, Hi, guys,

567
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I love the podcast, but something really bothered me about

568
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: the last episode's shout out corner. I listened to podcast

569
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: because you often examine things from multiple sides. The letter

570
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: you read about vaping did not do that. It encouraged

571
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: people to deny that vaping is dangerous. That is a conspiracy,

572
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: and to not believe their doctors. That is not all

573
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: the sides. My father and I thought about his smoking

574
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: my entire life, and a couple of years ago he

575
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: was excited to have almost quit entirely due to vaping.

576
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Only a few months later he died and I was devastated.

577
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: It was two days before Christmas. The cause of death

578
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: was not being able to fight off pneumonia due to

579
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: popcorn lung something and it happens when you smoke vapors.

580
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: I was so happy he had quit, and it killed him. Please, please,

581
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: please let people know that there are two sides this issue,

582
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: and vaping can kill you. Could the tobacco industry be

583
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: trying to shut it down? Of course I'm sure they are,

584
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: But the reality is the vaping is just as dangerous

585
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: as tobacco. I would not want someone else to lose

586
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: their father because I said nothing. My father and I

587
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: loved history and conspiracy theories. I'm gutted to have found

588
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: your podcast after he died. He would have loved it,

589
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: and I thank you for getting me through really hard times.

590
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: But please, when it comes to issues like this, present

591
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: both sides. Thank you. Jenna. Wow, that's terrible, Jenna, sorry

592
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: that that happened to your father. That's a reaction to

593
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: a letter from a previous episode where someone wrote to

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00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: a saying that they think vaping is a conspiracy And

595
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: just to jump in here, I did a little bit

596
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: of research on this for the research and it appears

597
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: that a lot of the issues with vaping arise from

598
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: certain food additives, flavorings, and it exists usually in fruity flavors,

599
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: and it's not as common, it's not as common as

600
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: the chemicals like the deadly chemicals are that exists in cigarettes. Right,

601
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: but it's still a problem. And there's no doubt that

602
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: when the vape phenomenon kind of hit full bore, that

603
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: there wasn't as much oversight of these various products as

604
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: the cigarette industry obviously has to deal with um. So

605
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of early adopters and

606
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: not a lot of research that was available as to

607
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: what the actual implications of using These people just automatically

608
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: assumed that it's not carcinogenic because it's not you know,

609
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: contains not cigarettes, it's not you know, burning carbon monoxide

610
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: in your lungs. But study yet, and as we see

611
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: little things trickle out, whether it's this popcorn lung study

612
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: or whether it's other you know, uh, side effects of vaping.

613
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: It takes time, you know, and the cigarette stuty has

614
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: been around for a long time. So it's the kind

615
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: of thing where we certainly wouldn't have intentionally said one

616
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: was better than the other. It's just a matter of

617
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: like kind of rolling the dice with anything you put

618
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: in your body. Right, that's yeah, And we really appreciated

619
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: your letter. Jenna wanted to get it out there because

620
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: so often when something is a newer technology and like

621
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: the public eye, people tend to um, I don't want

622
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: to say deify it, but they tend to look at

623
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: it through rose tinted glasses. It's like, this is the

624
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: all this is the safe alternative to cigarettes. Fixing a problem, right,

625
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: a lot of new technologies are meant to make a

626
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: slight adjustment on a problem that exists, and then you

627
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: got marketing that just doubles down on that absolutely, you know, so, yeah,

628
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: it's I and it's it's definitely a tricky territory. And

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure no one intended to come across as

630
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Speaker 1: promoting or anything like that. And as as we always say, listeners,

631
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: your choices, of course are your own. It is not

632
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: within our purview to tell anyone what to do. What

633
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: we do want to assure people that a lot of

634
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: advertisements are meant to sell something to you rather than

635
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: educate you. Thank you for writing. And then finally we

636
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: have a shout out from Dave Um. He says in

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Speaker 1: your episode about Red Mercury, you guys wondered why bother

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Speaker 1: to make fakes stamps? Yes, Dave, my hero, tell me

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Speaker 1: about what is the profit margin of that? Well, aside

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Speaker 1: from use on postage mass mailing, stamps were once used

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Speaker 1: as a cash substitute. I personally prefer seashells. That's me

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown talking, not Dave Um. Accepted by a lot

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Speaker 1: of mail order concerns for low dollar transactions. You know

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Speaker 1: that's funny, that makes sense? See that? Yeah, totally so

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Speaker 1: m hmm. Then, in a letter to the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: On October tenth, eighteen sixty two, post mass James Wakefield

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Speaker 1: stated that Congress had authorized quote postal currency to be

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Speaker 1: issued through the Treasury Department, which later evolved into postal

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Speaker 1: money orders. So first postal currency was issued in set

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Speaker 1: dollar amounts, and it was common to use stamps to

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Speaker 1: make up the sense uh. In addition, the Treasury did

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Speaker 1: not provide the post Office with sufficient notes for the need.

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Speaker 1: Although the postmaster noted that postage stamps are made available

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Speaker 1: for the prepayment of postage only, there were few options,

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Speaker 1: so this unauthorized use led to the trade of postage stamps,

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Speaker 1: even though they're only endpoint. Redemption came when used to

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Speaker 1: mail a letter or package. Um, and that's why you

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Speaker 1: should all use stamps dot com to matter or package.

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Speaker 1: We use it around here. So black market for stamps

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Speaker 1: right with the Kansas all Dave Back to Dave, I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking as Dave channeling Dave. A black market for stamps

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Speaker 1: with the cancelations damp washed off developed both for trade

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Speaker 1: and for postage, being used until they were too damaged

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Speaker 1: or dirty, so stamps were never printed on special currency

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Speaker 1: paper or with extra security measures, making counterfeiting easy. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to believe for us, but small fortunes could be

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Speaker 1: made on what was basically penny postage. Dave, that was

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Speaker 1: glorious on so many levels. What a fantastic letter, Just

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Speaker 1: a history nugget. Stamp frauds a real thing. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a stamp tycoon now. That's why he should use stamp

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Speaker 1: fraud dot com for all your postal fraudulent for all

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Speaker 1: your fraudulent postage needs. I really want to know what

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Speaker 1: Dave does for a living. He teaches people amazing facts.

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Speaker 1: Uh does your Thank you very much to Dave, Jenna

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Speaker 1: and Linnell. This concludes our gosh And if you want

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