1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is away right now, 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: but he will return shortly. They called me Ben. We 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: want you to know. We had a fantastic conversation just 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: a few seconds ago off air, and it was concerned 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: with several amazing, several horrifying things. Um, Matt, you know, 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: you and I have those moments sometimes where we're in 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: the middle of something really compelling and then we have 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: this beat me on this stock, we have this uh 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: we gotta go do the actual show moment right like 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: we uh oh yeah, let me let me tell you 18 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: a story, everybody, So okay, So I'm in the middle 19 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: of a table read for a different secret project that 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: you'll hear about shortly, and Ben messages Alexis and I 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: just a quick little thing. Hey, the Russian number stations 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: are going nuts and provides a link to a place 23 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: where I know we have monitored this situation before, and 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: uh there is some stuff going down, and all of 25 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the work that you're doing just feels Yeah, that's so 26 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: important when the Russian number stations are going nuts. Yeah. 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to be I didn't mean to be 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: like a jerk about it, but you follow up with 29 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: a snarky line. It was like, Matt, you asked me, 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: can we confirm this? And Alexis is like, what is 31 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: going on? And then I I just followed up with, 32 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: I guess we gotta do our little show and uh 33 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: so number stations we're talking about this. Long time listeners, 34 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, you if you understand tradecraft, you understand 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: the ingenious method of communication that numbers stations employ. This 36 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: is not a this is not a conversation about number 37 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: stations today. Necessarily. However, if you would like to hear 38 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: number stations, you can find them online because the nature 39 00:02:53,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: of the mechanism, it's just objectively, it's objectively brilliant. Long story, short, 40 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: old school Soviet stuff using one time codes, which means 41 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: that it does not matter if you hear something. If 42 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: you don't understand the signifiers and the language even the 43 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: music that gets broadcast, sometimes you will have no way 44 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: to decode the message being sent. So what we know 45 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: is that someone in Russia in control of some of 46 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: these stations put out a call and we don't know 47 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: what it means. And we are recording this a week 48 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: in advance, which means maybe we'll find out where where 49 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: that hall was going and what it meant. We are 50 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: super funny, hopefully we don't hopefully hopefully with someone saying 51 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: check the oven or something, you know for sure. Yeah, 52 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: and today is Tuesday, March one. By the way, as 53 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: we're recording this. The good thing is all we're dealing 54 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: with that existential dread, that feeling that is just tearing 55 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: away at all of us. There are things to keep 56 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: us occupied that make me personally very happy, like and 57 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: we're not sponsored by Bandai Namco. I think that's who 58 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: put it out from software. It is from software. They 59 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: literally just made the same game again and called it 60 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: something else. But there is such thing as there is 61 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: such thing as elden ring. Uh. I think uh Alexis 62 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: and I are big fans. Uh. We we had earlier 63 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: conversation and we wrapped recording, and one of the things 64 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I just said, knowing YouTube are prolific and talented gamers, 65 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: I just looked at the camera just said the two 66 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: words elden Ring. And then you both I don't think 67 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: you planned it, but you both went oh, and then 68 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: we and then we we spend some time like looking 69 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: at the different classes, looking at how to set it up. 70 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: And I had never played Dark Souls before, and I 71 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: was asking why it's so hard? Why, I know what, 72 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: like why there is no explanation for the stuff you're 73 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: supposed to do. That's too much like real life for me. 74 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: You know, I got like I got real life problems 75 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: as well. Um, but it's cool, so you're not enjoy 76 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: is a world that encompasses a lot of things. I 77 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: would say, I'm experiencing elden Ring. I am committed to 78 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: the bid, right like Matt Hillier you earlier asked me, 79 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, like, well, if you're unhappy with the character 80 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: you made, why just change it and start over? And 81 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's too it's too deep. I 82 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: got the sunk cost fallacy. I already you know, I 83 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: like killed the goblin. You know what I mean, I'm 84 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: in it. I gotta be this person now. Uh. And 85 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: and I think, um, you also hopped on the train, 86 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: and I think Matt will join us soon. But uh, 87 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: but we put the call out to you, Matt, we 88 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: need a tank. Oh yeah, I will for sure do that. 89 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: Alexis what what did you start out with as your 90 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: class I'm an astrologer. And let me say for the 91 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: record that I was already planning on buying Old and Ring. 92 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: I just didn't think I was going to have time 93 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to play it this week. But then once we were 94 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: talking about it yesterday, I was like, beat me, future doctor, 95 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm buying it now. I went to games that bought it. 96 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: In so far, I don't want to use the word addicted, 97 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: because that's a very strong word, but I definitely found 98 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: myself working today even now. As much as I love 99 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: you guys, like beer's just still a part of me 100 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: right now. It's like I thinks, yeah, souls, excuse me Runes, 101 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: as a pointed out, yeah, and also our again. One 102 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: of the few regrets I have about our show is 103 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: that a lot of our conversations take place off air. 104 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: We have we have had explorations of real and ongoing, 105 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: deep seated issues in civilization in the US and abroad. Uh, 106 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: we're we're talking about video games because that is for us. 107 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say, for the three of us, 108 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: that is a way to take a break from a 109 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: news cycle, take a break from propaganda, the war being 110 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: waged against transparency in the historical record. Anytime someone is 111 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: objecting to the concept of what's the buzzword CRT right, 112 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: the acronym for critical race theory. We talk about this stuff. 113 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: We explore it together, we explore it with you tuning in, 114 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and then at some point we go, I don't know, 115 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: let's play like a video game or something. Let's be cooler, 116 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: let's not freak out. But we are a freak out moment. 117 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: You know. I looked at the doomsday clock. Do you 118 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: remember that, Matt Plexus. Yeah, I looked at the doomsday clock, 119 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: and it's always almost midnight. It's the worst. Uh, but 120 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: what's wait, what's the what's it at right now? And 121 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: checked it on air? All right, let's do it so uh, 122 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: while you're looking it up, Matt, brief explanation of what 123 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: the doomsday clock is. The doomsday clock is a kind 124 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: of a thought experiment. It's a it's um. It's an 125 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: analogy of an analog clock if anybody remembers those that 126 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: counts down the likelihood of a nuclear exchange, nuclear weapon exchange, 127 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: and currently it's um and I think it's it's pretty close. 128 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: It's like a minute and a half away from midnight. 129 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: Midnight is when the bombs drop. Yeah, it says a 130 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: hundred seconds to midnight, and that was updated on January, 131 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: so recent events haven't been taken to account yet. Yeah. Yeah, 132 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: the doomsday clock is not a scientific measurement, necessarily in 133 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: terms of methodology, but it is important to understand that 134 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: MAD mutually a short destruction a k a. The unofficial, 135 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: the unofficial standoff that keeps world civilizations from being at 136 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: each other's throats all the time. MAD is looking increasingly 137 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: less consistent at this point. And again, we are recording, 138 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: as you said, Matt on March one. This episode is 139 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: publishing on March ten. We do not know what will 140 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: occur in the interrupt, but we do know one thing, 141 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: and it's this. You are the most important part of 142 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: the show. It makes our weak to be lucky enough 143 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: to share your stories with your fellow conspiracy realists. Um, 144 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: we did maybe the best way to start today. Um, 145 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: also I got I played astrologer in Elden Ring, and 146 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm super piste about it. I made the wrong decision. 147 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: But the thing about that game is that you learn 148 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: by failing, right, So you get you inch forward in 149 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: the game in progression by failing and dying. So by 150 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: restarting and just going back to the beginning, you're going 151 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: to know everything you gotta do, where all the items 152 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: are hidden, all the places you gotta go. I'm just 153 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: saying it's a rewarding experience. So basically you said, the 154 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: real ruins are the friends that you make along the way. Yes. 155 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: Oh so also Alexis and that are way better at 156 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: video games than I am. It's just sort of a 157 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: known thing behind the curtain of the show. We have. 158 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: We have something really interesting that we wanted to open 159 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: with today. You will recall fellow conspiracy Realist in a 160 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: previous Listener Male segment. We received a fascinating story that 161 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: recounted an anomalous occurrence of sonic booms in New Mexico, 162 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and we walked through some of the physics of how 163 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: a sonic boom occurs. We walked through some of the causes. 164 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: We also asked you or help. We asked you to 165 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: weigh in with an explanation, plausible, possible thought experiment, what 166 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: have you? And we received some answers. What are those answers? 167 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: We'll tell you after work from our sponsor and we're back. 168 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: We are turning to a message we received from someone 169 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: calling themselves K. Just the letter K. I really like 170 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: this person. I don't know anything about them, but I 171 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: like them a lot. You will. You will understand why momentarily. 172 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: This is an email, so I'm going to read it 173 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: like this, gentlemen, love the podcast funny enough A buddy 174 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: of mine at no such agency wink. Yes, that one 175 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: just turned me onto your podcast since we both enjoy 176 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories but also like to fact check just about 177 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: everything we hear called a conspiracy. So yeah, I love 178 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: the show. Anyways, onto the purpose of this communication. The 179 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: first part is about your latest listener mail segment on 180 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: sonic booms. From my experience as a combat controller, which 181 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: involves a bit of air traffic control thrown into it, 182 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: sonic booms randomly heard are nothing to worry about unless 183 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: there are more than two in a row. I recall 184 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: that Noel had a question about that in our listener 185 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: mail segment. Going back to the email, see the thing 186 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: about the US military. God love that. See the thing 187 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: about the U S Military is a very well written correspondence. 188 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, see the thing about the US military. 189 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: In the US airspace, there are a lot and I 190 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: mean a lot of special use airspace, particularly in the 191 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: Southwest United States, but spread throughout the US. And Ben, 192 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: we talked pretty extensively about especially use airspace, or at 193 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: least you talked about that in the last episode. Airspace 194 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: is restricted to normal flights that you would probably be 195 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: able to access you listening, maybe not. Ben. I don't 196 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: know if he could access some of the special stuff. 197 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend that you can because it makes no 198 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: it's not outsorry, but no, but this is an important 199 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: point just to pause here. Uh K is absolutely correct. 200 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: And also there's nothing inherently sinister nor nefarious about special 201 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: use airspace. Picture a picture any crowded traffic area. Everybody 202 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: has one in your town. What what I think we're 203 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: saying here is kay if I'm if I'm understanding this correctly. 204 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: What we're seeing is that there's a lot of stuff 205 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: in the air, and if there is not some sort 206 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: of system of guidelines, parameters, constraints, then those things in 207 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: the air might hit each other. So it makes sense 208 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: to have to have stuff cordoned off. I just wanted 209 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: to establish that's not necessarily conspiratorial. It's important, right, Yes, 210 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: that's why we have the Federal Aviation Administration. They can 211 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: they help with that stuff. And K sent us over 212 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: to a definition of Special Use Airspace by the f 213 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: a A. And I'll just it's kind of government definition. Yeah, yeah, no, no, 214 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: it's important though, it's important. We gotta do it. Okay, 215 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: Here it is special use air space or s u 216 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: A consists of that airspace wherein activities must be confined 217 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: because of their nature, or wherein limitations are imposed upon 218 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: aircraft operations that are not part of those activities, or both. 219 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's saying, okay. SUA areas are depicted on aeronautical charts, 220 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: except where controlled Firing areas or cf A. Also temporary 221 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: military operations areas m o A and temporary restricted areas. 222 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Now there, Oh, there's so much stuff that K sent us. 223 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of those things, but 224 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: let's continue with the email think and this is K. Also, 225 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm including an attachment of the m O a S 226 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: Military operation area around Tucson. That's Tucson, Arizona, so you 227 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: can see just how crowded the air spaces over there. 228 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: These things are everywhere throughout the US, and some of 229 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: them are approved for supersonic flight. This is most likely 230 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: what people are hearing talking about the sonic booms. And 231 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: it should be noted that air temperature, dew point, and 232 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: cloud layers also affect the speed of sound and how 233 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: loud it is and where it can be heard from. Now, 234 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: maybe we should just take a moment here, Ben, and 235 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: describe what Case sent us. So K sent us a 236 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: very large PDF that had a ton of information in it. 237 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: And I cannot stress to you how much information was 238 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: included in this pdf. I'm not going to read you 239 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: what the title was, just because I feel like that 240 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: might I don't know, Ben, I think we leave that 241 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: blank there, um. But it has a lot of information 242 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: about airspace around the Tucson area and some military operations. 243 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: And I took a screenshot of one of these pages 244 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: been that we're looking at right now, and it says 245 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: training airspace near Tucson International Airspace And it's a like 246 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: an overview map of really the Phoenix area of the 247 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: Tucson area. And I mean it goes like Yuma is 248 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: on the far western side and what's on the far 249 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: eastern side. I don't even know what some of the 250 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: stuff is over there. So the New Mexico Arizona border 251 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: essentially on the eastern side of the map. And there 252 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: are numerous boxes. Well, let's what do you call this polygons? No, 253 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: they're not polygons, rombuses and other shapes that are outlining 254 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: specific error space and calling the different things like ruby, tombstone, 255 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: jackal outlaw really interesting code names I guess of some sort. 256 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: And they all are just representing different special airspace. And 257 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: now back to the email from k K says, Now, 258 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: those paying attention would have noticed that I said they 259 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: are nothing to worry about unless there is more than two, 260 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: which during the last Yes Sonic Booms, which during the 261 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: last podcast mentioned that there were four. I reached out 262 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: to a few people, oh that would have this information 263 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: around that area. Now I can't disclose who they are. 264 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: Also why I am only going by k But there 265 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: was an incident that occurred during the time frame in 266 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: question for an unmanned aircraft that descended through the atmosphere. Yes, 267 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: that descended through the atmosphere at a steep angle, passing 268 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: through multiple different air layers, each of which had differing 269 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: temperatures and air pressure, which caused multiple sonic booms over 270 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: a large area. Reports of them reached as far as Denver, Colorado. 271 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the aircraft is. Most likely a 272 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: skunk Works type spacecraft prototype being tested, but I couldn't 273 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: get that information. Considering the tests that have always been 274 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: done in that area of the country, I wouldn't be surprised, Ben, what. Yeah, 275 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: it's true, It's all true. Everything everything so far is 276 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: accurate and also raising important points that we did not 277 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: hit in our previous listener mails. So what we're what 278 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: we're hearing from K to unpack this briefly, is that yes, 279 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: there is active testing of there's active testing of craft 280 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: that is not necessarily publicly acknowledged at this point. You know, 281 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: keep in mind that that is a necessity of the 282 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: testing an R and D process. Also, as we said earlier, 283 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: there's no real way to hide a sonic boom, right uh, 284 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: And and I think this is an excellent point, cave. 285 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: I think also it is it's really important to point 286 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: out that this means there was a testing situation, which 287 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: is way better than the alternative, The alternative of something 288 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: just going nuts out there in this guy just way scarier, 289 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: way scary. At least at least there's there's someone at 290 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: the figurative wheel, you know what I mean, that aircraft's wheel. 291 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: That's always figurative. Yeah, that's why, always figurative. Uh. But this, this, 292 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: this is interesting because K goes on to communicate with you, 293 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists and explain why K is reaching out 294 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: with this information. Also, I get the feeling, Okay, that 295 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: you are not you are not necessarily active on a 296 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: bunch of public social media, which I understand I think 297 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: you do too fully. Um Kay continues to be fair, 298 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: I wouldn't normally reach out with this, but considering this 299 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: aircraft had another incident a while back that caused the 300 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: shutdown of the US airspace. I'm sure you remember that 301 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: from a while back. I figured it would be worth 302 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: mentioning it to you all. Do you remember when we 303 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: mentioned that on the show, like, oh yeah, US airspace 304 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: just got shut down and nobody said anything about what 305 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, and it finishes with love the show. 306 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: Kay m hmm. Yeah. This is uh something extraordinary and 307 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: profound to be quite honest, folks. Uh, this is confirmation 308 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: of a thing in from people in the know. And 309 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: what this means is that Big Boy from earlier there 310 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: is an explanation. Dude. Yes, it sounds like there is 311 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: verified testing. Um off Mike off Air, K has bona 312 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: fides and KA knows what K is talking about here. Uh, 313 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: we can say now with a measure of certitude that 314 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: what you heard Big Boy in New Mexico, those sonic booms, 315 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: that series of sonic booms. We can say that people 316 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: have confirmed the cause, right, people have, people have I 317 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: should say, people have built a very solid case explaining 318 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: the cause of those sonic booms. And also what I 319 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: took from this mat is that that sort of testing 320 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: will continue. You know, for years, for years you and 321 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: I were speculating on oh what was it x X 322 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: thirty seven B Yeah, what's it doing up there? Right? 323 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: It's an unmanned it's an unmanned spacecraft, which is neat, 324 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: I think objective. It is super neat, but it looks 325 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot like Space Shuttle and it is not supersonic, 326 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: and uh, you know what is supersonic? Man? Okay, I wonder, 327 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I wonder if you can send us some kind of 328 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: message to confirm or maybe you can't confirm or deny. 329 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: But I have a feeling it has something to do 330 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: with exosonic. It's I remember seeing an article in Aerospace 331 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: Manufacturing about an uncrude supersonic test vehicle basically that was 332 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: going into the testing phases last year around in October. 333 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: Maybe it's this. Maybe it's something even cooler or scarier. 334 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I guess you definitely can't confirm or deny it if 335 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: it's scarier. Yeah, and you know this is somewhat unrelated. 336 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: But I I feel like K will find this enjoyable, 337 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,719 Speaker 1: the statement I can neither confirm nor deny. It has 338 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: such an interesting origin story and we figured out what 339 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. So I always always love that. I 340 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: always wish that we could we could do some of 341 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: those state level actions as individuals in one's personal life, 342 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: for instance, sanctioning people. You can't do that as a person. 343 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: You can't be like I sanction you. We talked about 344 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: that sanctions episode where unfortunately we were correct and and again. 345 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: We talked about some unintended consequences. We talked about whether 346 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: or not sanctions function as collective punishment. But we're grateful 347 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: for the correspondence we received regarding sanctions, and especially grateful 348 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: for K's correspondence here because it is a solid explanation. 349 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: It's confirmed in terms of um the legitimacy. Now, to 350 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: be clear, K is not saying that K flew an 351 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: experimental aircraft themselves. Key is just coming from a place 352 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: of expertise and saying to to our fellow listeners, this 353 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: is probably what it was. And I love it, Matt. 354 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: I love that every so often I get a solid 355 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: explanation for something for somebody. Was like, hey, my friend, 356 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: that no such agency, which is the n s A. 357 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: By the way, if if you just you know, if 358 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: you miss that, we just my friend over the n 359 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: s A. You know, let me know, give me a 360 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: hot hip, Like, Okay, how did you contact that person? 361 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: Like that's what I want to know. What COLMS channel 362 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 1: do you feel is safe enough to just even ask 363 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: a small question that doesn't even matter necessarily. Yeah, well 364 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe that's a story for another day. But 365 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: I think we filed this one as a win. And 366 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: like the next thing, we have to think about when 367 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: we hear these explanations, when they are credible, when they're verified, 368 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: Our next question is what does that mean for the future. 369 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, So, if if Big Boy is hearing some 370 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: other series of sonic booms, then does that mean testing 371 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: is simply continuing? Um. Maybe if you are located in 372 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: certain other sensitive inland regions of the US, maybe you 373 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: have heard a series of inexplicable sounds from the sky. 374 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: That's how believe what they mean. That's that's probably where 375 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: you're hearing it from. Yep. And we actually got several 376 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: voicemails in been that I haven't we haven't talked about yet, 377 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: but from places like Tampa and other parts of the 378 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: country that experienced sonic booms uh right around that same period. 379 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: So I'm just and some other weird sounds too, like 380 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: a pretty consistent train train noise level sound that was 381 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: very low frequency that was heard overhead for an extended 382 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: period of time. So like some elder guy going choo choo, 383 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: just like that, Just like, Okay, good, we got they're awesome, 384 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: go us again. We can't think enough, k We'll be 385 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: right back with more messages from you, and we have returned. 386 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: There's something that we wanted to bring it to Tensioned too. 387 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: It comes to us by way of our fellow listener, Anthony. 388 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: Anthony says, Hi, guys, love the show. The topic of 389 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: the Tulsa bombing has been a topic lately with both 390 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: HBO's Watchmen and with Lovecraft Country. However, it's rarely discussed 391 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: that Tulsa was one of over a dozen towns destroyed 392 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: during the Red Summer. Have you guys done an episode 393 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: on the Red Summer? Multiple seemingly successful African American communities 394 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: were destroyed, erased from history, and replaced just after World 395 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: War One. Since this topic is not regularly addressed in 396 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: most of our history classes, I think this would qualify 397 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: as something they don't want us to know. And Anthony, 398 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: you did something awesome and something that I think we 399 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: very much appreciate. Matt and Doc and I you repainted 400 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: us on this. Uh. We do read every email we get. UH. 401 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: We are especially fortunate that you brought this back up 402 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: to our attention. So Lovecraft Country, have you guys seen that? 403 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: Have you guys seen that show? Lovecraft Country is an 404 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: adaptation of an excellent fiction novel written by a guy 405 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: called Matt Ruff, called Matt Rough because that's his name, 406 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: so so Lovecraft Country explores a fascinating intersection between lovecrafty 407 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: and horror and the real life historical horror of the 408 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: United States in in the Green Book Years and when 409 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: people saw HBO's Watchman right there, there's also a big 410 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: central plot point, there's not a spoiler, but a big 411 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: central plot point is the Tulsa massacre. And candidly, many 412 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: people in the US we're not aware of the Tulsa 413 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: massacre before they saw Watchman, and Anthony is absolutely correct, Matt. 414 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: It's not something that textbook publishers are super excited to 415 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: talk about, you know what I mean. They don't want 416 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: to be honest about history. Sometimes. Well, I'll be honest 417 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: with you. I thought they were creating a fictional occurrence 418 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: for the show, uh the extent of it, like what 419 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: they showed on screen, and of course it was a 420 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: fictional version of the Tulsa massacre. But to me it 421 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: was like watching Watchman, uh really did it? It was 422 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: like it changed my understanding of it and it made 423 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: me re read stuff that I hadn't looked at in 424 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: years about about the massacre itself. I'm really glad we're 425 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: talking about it right now. Yeah, let's outline it. So, 426 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the Tulsa massacre is the best known instance of tremendous violence, 427 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: and it is only one example of a pattern, quite 428 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: disturbing pattern. Domestic terrorists, white supremacist attacked African American communities 429 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: and did so to a large degree with impunity. It 430 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: did not face the consequences of their actions. You can, 431 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: to the credit of the US today, you can go 432 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: to the National Archives. Go to Archives dot gov. It's 433 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: out there. It's a it's a Google search away. You 434 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: can read about what is called the Red Summer. And 435 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: it is crucial, is mission critical for us to emphasize 436 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: that this did not occur in a vacuum. This did 437 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: not occur to one t own. This occurred throughout the 438 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: United States. There was what was called a spike in 439 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: violence racially motivated and a lot of it, to be 440 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: honest with you, a lot of it was directed against veterans, 441 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: at black veterans from the US who fought for a 442 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: country that did not treat them as people, and they survived. 443 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: They came back from World War One, and when these folks. 444 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: When these individuals were in Europe, they encountered a more 445 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: equal world than the world in which they were born. 446 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: And so despite the fact, despite the fact that these veterans, 447 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: these individuals literally put their lives on the line and 448 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: survived and came back, they were targeted by domestic terrorists. 449 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the name for white supremacist. You 450 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: can dress it up however you want, but those are 451 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: actions of domestic terrorism. And history is much closer than 452 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot of people would like to imagine, you know 453 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: what I mean. And I know, Matt, I know, Doc. 454 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: There are people in our audience today, we're alive during 455 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: similar incidents. Yes, of course you're gonna get a sanitized 456 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: version of history in your textbooks, right, You're gonna you're 457 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: gonna get the highlights, the go us, the Atta boys. 458 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: But if you do not acknowledge the terrible things that happened. 459 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: And I know this sounds like a broken record, that's 460 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: a that's a meta reference. Uh, you are doomed to 461 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: repeat them, just like a broken record. The most violent 462 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: incident occurred in Arkansas in Elaine, Arkansas. Over on people 463 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: were murdered. There's no other word for it. There was 464 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: no accidental you know, like there was no um active 465 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: arson that accidentally hurt people. They were targeted and murdered. 466 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: And it's honestly, man, it's unclean that this is not 467 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: talked about more often. And I know that we on 468 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: this show we strive for transparency. We strive to discover 469 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: the present, like to dig deeper behind the headlines. We 470 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: strive to understand the possibilities of the future, and that 471 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: is not possible without acknowledging the truth of the past. 472 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk anyway, 473 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: here's a wonder wall. I yield my time. Yeah, I 474 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: I just don't know what to say. Ben. When you 475 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 1: think about, you know, our conversation surrounding critical race theory, 476 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: and then you look at the actions that were taken 477 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: during the Tulsa massacre and you look at the Greenwood 478 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: District there in Tulsa, Oklahoma. UM destroying the center of 479 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: wealth really one of one of the major centers of wealth, 480 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: one of the most prosperous places in the United States 481 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: for the black community. And it's a rough thing to 482 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: read about just that it was possible to burn was 483 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: the thirty six blocks Um. Yeah, So the reason I 484 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: think Anthony's point is so important here is because if 485 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: you're hearing this, you need to realize that sort of 486 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: thing is not distant. This is not an academic point. 487 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: These events, events very much like them, can recur. We 488 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the doomsday clock at the top of today's episode. 489 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: I want to give an especial shout out to our 490 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: old hold Robert Evans, the mastermind of an excellent series 491 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: called It Could Happen Here. Please do check it out 492 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: if you have yet to listen. But I want to 493 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: emphasize too, the dangers posed not by grandiose statements what 494 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: have you, but the dangers posed by binality, the dangers 495 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: posed by people who sit back and just say everything's fine, 496 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: like that dog. Everybody knows that meme. The weird, even 497 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: more disturbing thing about the Red Summer is that, yes, 498 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: it happened across the country. Yes it was indiscriminate. Yes, 499 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: the murdering people. It was largely a terrorist activity waged 500 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: by other veterans, which everyone who is a veteran in 501 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: the audience today, you are well aware that you are 502 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: supposed to have each other's back, right, You're supposed to 503 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: have an understanding and a mutual respect, you know what 504 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, they're like there are tons of 505 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: jokes about the Air Force, right, the Army, the Air Force, 506 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: the Marines, the Navy, they all love, you know, cracking 507 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: jokes about each other. But when the rubber hits the road, 508 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: when the sonic booms hit the air, you are supposed 509 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: to have the backs of your co workers, and you're 510 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: supposed to put the mission first. And the mission, really, 511 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: for several centuries on paper, has been to make the 512 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: US a better and more equitable place. That did not 513 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: happen here as a matter of fact, just over a 514 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: century ago, people who put their lives on the line 515 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: the idea of the Great American Experiment, we're targeted. And 516 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: they were not assisted by the government, the same government 517 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: they only stied for. They were not assisted by the 518 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: local community structure. And I do not mean to sound sanctimonious, 519 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: I do not mean to sound self righteous. But this 520 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: is in danger of becoming the stuff they don't want 521 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: you to know, and it shouldn't be, because again, you 522 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: cannot move to the future unless you have a full 523 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: awareness of the past. And the damage done by Red 524 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: Summer remains with the United States today is intergenerational damage, 525 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: is intergenerational trauma, intergenerational economic damage. These people were not compensated, 526 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: they were not helped in any shape, form or fashion. 527 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: And this is quickly becoming the stuff they don't want 528 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 1: you to know. And we cannot as a country make 529 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: any sort of forward progress unless we as a country 530 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: are transparent about the past. And I you know, this 531 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: sort of stuff is not the thing that you often 532 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: see on the news, right. Like, let's remember, of course, 533 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: earlier during the pandemic, Uncle Sam came out and said 534 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: aliens are real, and and then the world collectively said, 535 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: cool story, bro. But I got a lot of stuff 536 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,280 Speaker 1: going on. Uh. And it's easy to forget these things, 537 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: but they cannot. They should not be forgotten. I I 538 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: know this is not the best way maybe to end 539 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: our show today, and for that, honestly, I'm glad. It 540 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: should be uncomfortable. It's weird, and I think that's also 541 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: just sort of like indicative of the entire point that 542 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: it's an uncomfortable thing for people to talk about. You know, 543 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: I feel like people talk about other things in history 544 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: with a level of comfort that they don't feel talking 545 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: about this stuff. And I think that that's indicative of something. 546 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what I would say it's indicative of, 547 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: but it's a manifest They agree. So thank you very 548 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: very much to Anthony and Kay and from Software. The 549 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: three people were gonna thank today, uh no, but seriously, 550 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: Anthony and Kay, thank you so much for writing into 551 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: us and just sharing with us information that we wouldn't 552 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: have without you. You make us smarter and enrich everybody 553 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: who listens to the show. 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