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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last moments, a

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Speaker 1: stunning development in the Gabby Potito case. We now learn

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Speaker 1: Gabby Potito strangled dead Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The

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Speaker 1: to this. I'm doctor grim blewe Teton County, Wyoming corner.

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Speaker 1: After the detailed investigation by our forensic pathologists, are anthropologists,

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Speaker 1: Tetong County Coroner's office is following the fallen verder and

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Speaker 1: the manner of death of Gabrielle nor of Potito. We

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Speaker 1: find the cause and manner of the cause of death

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Speaker 1: strangulation in manner is coomicide by Wilming State Statue. Only

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Speaker 1: the cause and manner of are released their autopsy findings

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Speaker 1: and photographs, and that sort of material is not released

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Speaker 1: by state statue. What is the coroner withholding from us?

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Speaker 1: And why is there bruising? Was that manuel strangulation? Was

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Speaker 1: it a ligature? What else about that autopsy do they

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Speaker 1: not want us to know? Yet? Again, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us, with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of it all. Joining me Wendy Patrick California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com

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Speaker 1: and also today with doctor Wendy KCBQ, Doctor Angela Arnold,

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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela

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Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Founder director of Coldcase Research Institute,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum at Coldcase Crimes dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan, but straight out to

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with WFLATV joining me right now. Moss's side

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Speaker 1: on the case from the very beginning. Were you surprised

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Speaker 1: at all with what the coroner said strangulation death? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it has been just an absolutely heartbreaking day. We know

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Speaker 1: that the Petito family knew this was coming, that officials

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Speaker 1: peppering him with tons of questions. Everyone was asking him

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Speaker 1: He said, unfortunately, and I'm quoting here, he said, this

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Speaker 1: Gabby Petito's death. He's wanted to him, says Krent frauds Nancy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on right there, MASSASAITI, I usually appreciate every single

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Speaker 1: the murder, are you suggesting Massa that Brian Laundry takes

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Speaker 1: everybody around him and all the law enforcement and the

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Speaker 1: media that were there to hopefully catch us sighting. No

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Speaker 1: one saw anything. It almost makes a second guest that

426
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Speaker 1: time line, that would be one of the things that'd

427
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Speaker 1: be roundtabling if I was trying to solve this case

428
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: right now. Hey, here's what I'm trying to say. Go ahead.

429
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: The police were not looking for him until September eleventh,

430
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: when she would reported missing. He was gone by the end.

431
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they said, So what you're saying, it's

432
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Speaker 1: what I have long believed that every time the cops

433
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Speaker 1: came to the house, Remember the word was the parents

434
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't let the cops speak to him. I don't think

435
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: you was even there. I think it was long gone.

436
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: As far as to say, I bet that attorney at

437
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: never met with him. I bet he ain't facetimes with him.

438
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: Brian has been gone since the camping trip, I'm telling you,

439
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: and that's what I mean by the timeline. If the

440
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: timeline shifts, then the investigation makes more sense that nobody

441
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Speaker 1: would have seen him leave because he wasn't there to

442
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Speaker 1: begin with. Those are the kinds of questions I think

443
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: we're finally asking. I think that what is it going

444
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: to take for a murder charge to be handed down.

445
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: It's going to take some type of DNA and my

446
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: bet is going to be connected to her fingernails. That's

447
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: the only thing I can think of right now. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two nine zero. This is

449
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: the Teton County Coroner, doctor brand Blue. In the state

450
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Speaker 1: of Wyoming. There are four possibilities for a manner of death.

451
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: They are homicide, suicide, accident, and natural and those are

452
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Speaker 1: the four choices. When we do an investigation, we look

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Speaker 1: at the crime scene or the scene of the death,

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Speaker 1: of the scene of the body, the conditions of the body,

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Speaker 1: and findings of autopsy and toxicology, and that is how

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00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: we arrive at the manner of death. So it really

457
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: depends on lots of different circumstances. I've seen that in

458
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: arson cases where the medical examiner takes a look at

459
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: the case and then based on extreme circumstances, they determine

460
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: it was homicide not natural. For instance, if the purpose

461
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: removed all their clothing and all their jewelry and all

462
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Speaker 1: their family photos from the home, then leaves the wife

463
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: to die in the fire, could it be accent. No?

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00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: Not with all the jewelry and the photos and the

465
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: clothing removed and started a storage container. No, that makes

466
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Speaker 1: it homicide. Medical examiners Corners are a latical examiner today

467
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: revealing domestic violent homicide. I find that very very critical.

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Speaker 1: I want you to also take a listen to our

469
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Speaker 1: cut two ninety one again the coroner two nine. When

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Speaker 1: there are any impact on her body from weather or

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Speaker 1: wild animals in the National Park, all I could really

472
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Speaker 1: common about that is that her body was outside in

473
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Speaker 1: the wilderness for food of world weeks. Okay, granted that's

474
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Speaker 1: a setback, Joe Scott Morgan. If you are under a

475
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: tree like I believe she was, even though not buried,

476
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: there is one thing that may stay intact other than

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Speaker 1: evans inside the body. Such a seman under her nails

478
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: would be protected to some together. It would because there's

479
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Speaker 1: so much force. If folks will imagine fingernails much like

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Speaker 1: a plow on an unplowed field where they're digging into furrows,

481
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: that's what happens with fingernails. When individuals are trying to

482
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: fight people off, it curls up fingernail, and what happens

483
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: is there's such force behind that. Think about anybody that

484
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Speaker 1: has ever fought someone off. You're in just this ferocious

485
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Speaker 1: state where you're trying to get the individual off of you,

486
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: anything you can do just to save your life. She's

487
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Speaker 1: putting force behind it, and so that the fingernail acts

488
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Speaker 1: like a little hood that the skin and the tissue

489
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Speaker 1: deposits under. So yeah, it's very difficult to kind of

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Speaker 1: root that out. It's not like if you have skin

491
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Speaker 1: cells that are laying on top of a body that

492
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Speaker 1: aren't embedded, say for ends, that can be blown away.

493
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: It can be washed away, it could be compromised by heat.

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Speaker 1: Not with the fingernails. It's very very significant that they're

495
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Speaker 1: looking into this. That's going to go to the Trace

496
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Speaker 1: Evidence Section, Nancy at the FBI. They're going to take

497
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Speaker 1: a real close look at those nails scrapings. But Joe Scott.

498
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Speaker 1: I would put someone like you on the stand if

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Speaker 1: I were the prosecutor, to say how long would that

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Speaker 1: DNA last under the nails? Because your members supposedly she

501
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: scratched him in Moab, So would that then be possible

502
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Speaker 1: that it was still under the nails from that incident

503
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: or would have been fresh because of the strangulation. I

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00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: gotta tell you there's another piece to this. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you said something, Wendy. Another question that was asked. One

506
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Speaker 1: of these reporters actually had the presence of mind to say, hey, doc,

507
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Speaker 1: have you seen any evidence of previous injuries, healing injuries,

508
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing? And he wouldn't comment on that.

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Speaker 1: He said that he can't comment on that, and that's

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Speaker 1: something that I've held forward on. I'm wondering. I'm wondering if,

511
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Speaker 1: looking back to Mac's statement, if you will go out

512
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Speaker 1: and you will slap around a ninety five pound woman

513
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the street in public view, if

514
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: you'll do that, what will you do in private? Okay?

515
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: How long bread this abuse has been going on? You know?

516
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: And you were the first one that I knew of

517
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: Joe Scott to point out those resolving bruises on her

518
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: back that you spotted when she was snow when she

519
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: was sandsurfing. Do remember that those photos that she had

520
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: posted and they're very very playing to see. Guys, take

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00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two ninety four, our friends

522
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: at w f LA two ninety four. This is the

523
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: news statement just into the newsroom, a courtesy of our colleague,

524
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: investigator mass Seti. It says, quote from Stephen Bertolino, Gabby

525
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Speaker 1: Petito's death at such a young age as a tragedy

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Speaker 1: or Brian Laundry is currently charged with the unauthorized use

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Speaker 1: of a debit card belonging to Gabby. Brian is only

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Speaker 1: considered a person of interest in relation to Gabby Petito's

529
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: demise at this time. Brian is still missing. When he

530
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: is located, we'll address the pending fraud charge against him.

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Speaker 1: End quote. That is the new statement a courtesy of

532
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: my Society from Stephen Bertolino, which jumped out to me JB.

533
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Speaker 1: Is that this statement acknowledges that he is accused of

534
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: fraud using Gabby's card, which the charging document did not say.

535
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: The family attorney on doctor Phil did say they believed

536
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: it was her card. Here is the attorney for the

537
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Laundry family acknowledging that he is charged with unauthorized access

538
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: to her bank account, which I think is significant even

539
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: now that they cause of death has been determined to

540
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: be strangulation. Once again, the family of Brian Laundry, along

541
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: with their lawyer, is giving some innocuous response about the

542
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: debit card. How he's only a person of interest in

543
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: the Abbott card, He's only a suspect, He's only charged

544
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: with the debit card. As if they want me to

545
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: look there and not at the dead body? What what?

546
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: What is that? Doctor Angie Arnold Well? And also the

547
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: dead body that was found next to the van that

548
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: they were traveling in. And I have a question, Nancy.

549
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: You know this may not be the first time he's

550
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: tried to strangle her. Domestic abusers will often strangle their

551
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: partner in order to gain control over them, but they

552
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: don't always kill them when they do that, Okay, And

553
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the corner is looking for signs of

554
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: previous strangulation by this guy, because you can oftentimes it's

555
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: very unnoticeable from the outside. If someone has been strangled,

556
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: they can develop a hoarse voice and some different things

557
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: like that. But I just wonder if they're looking for

558
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: other signs of previous strangulation too. Guys, we've got Gabby

559
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: alive on August twenty seven with Brian Laundry at the

560
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: Mary Pig the restaurant. Remember that they were spotted together

561
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: on August twenty seven. Alive, all right, So that's narrowing

562
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: my timeline right there. But he's home on nine one.

563
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: We've got it narrowed now between eight twenty seven and

564
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Speaker 1: nine one. And what about the two days he was traveling.

565
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: That would be the thirty first and the thirtieth, So

566
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: now we've narrowed it even more. What about that Cheryl.

567
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: I'm telling you she was dead by the twenty eighth.

568
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I believe it took him almost three days to get home, Nancy.

569
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Speaker 1: That's a long trip. He was already fatigued, he was

570
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: freaked out, He had no money, he had no food,

571
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: he hadn't slept the night before because he's having disposed

572
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: of her, So it would have taken him a lot

573
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Speaker 1: longer to get all the way to Florida from whom

574
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: So you believe she's dead on August twenty eight. Now,

575
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Speaker 1: what do we have to do. How do we narrow

576
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: the time of death? J Scott Morgan, how can we

577
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: forensically do that with her body so I can place

578
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: him with her on that date? Yeah, one of you

579
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: know something the corner mentioned very specifically, Nancy, and I'm

580
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: glad that he brought this up. We do know that

581
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: a forensic anthropologist was involved, and it sounds like they

582
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: were present at the morgue. That's essential. But also he

583
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: said that samples had been taken by the FBI and

584
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: had been sent to the forensic entomologists. That's the guy

585
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: that the Gallus studies the bugs and the progression. And

586
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: also something's coming up forensic botany perhaps, and that's the

587
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: growth of the little plants, a little seedlings, all of

588
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: those things marry up on a timeline. And listen when

589
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: it comes to bugs, do you know that bugs actually

590
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: have manners? They only show up after other species have gone,

591
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: so we can check a progression like maggot husk and

592
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. How are these things developing? They

593
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: only show up in specific time that kind of march along.

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00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: So that's one of the way they're going to do. Scott,

595
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: the rest of us, we know what you're talking about

596
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: But you've got to break it down and regular people talk.

597
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: For instance, we find Gabby's body, and we find on

598
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Speaker 1: her body, let's just say blowflies, all right, what would

599
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: that tell? You? Break it down to real examples, not

600
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: just theoretical words or Latin phrases. Okay, what the blowflies

601
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: are looking for? And they're one of the first species

602
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: to show up in any kind of case like this

603
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: where a body is outdoors. They're looking for warm, moist

604
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: areas where they can lay their eggs, and that is essential.

605
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: That's when the cycle actually begins. The eggs are deposited,

606
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: and then they take a very specific time to develop,

607
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: and then when they develop, you'll have maggot that come

608
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: to life. They burst through out of these eggs, and

609
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into the specific details of

610
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: where they are, but as they mature, those little husk

611
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: that they develop crack open. They go through very stages

612
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: and then a new a new crop of blowflies a

613
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: present and then after that they come back and they

614
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: lay more eggs in that specific area. Nancy. And how

615
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: is that important? Well, there's a specific yes, it is

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Speaker 1: it specifically is you couple that with the little sprouts

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Speaker 1: of plants that are growing up in that area. And

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Speaker 1: if they took their time at the scene, which I

619
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Speaker 1: think they did, they collected all of this data and

620
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Speaker 1: it's gone to probably quanticus. You're saying under her body. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that there could be growth beneath, And it

622
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Speaker 1: all depends on the little seedlings. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: this is dependent upon the type of time of year

624
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: they're going to be looking at these things. Because certain

625
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: things only appear at specific times of the year. You

626
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: have to know very specific details about the geography in

627
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: which you find these bodies. So if I can properly

628
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: analyze the etymology angle of Gabby he does body, I

629
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Speaker 1: will be able to determine how long she has been

630
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Speaker 1: there based on that etymologic timeline. Yeah, you're absolutely right,

631
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Speaker 1: and that would imply and again this is very broad,

632
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: but that's how we kind of narrow things down. Did

633
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Speaker 1: a body come from another geographic location or did it

634
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: did the body succumb there? Also, we look at these

635
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Speaker 1: things like with soil. You know, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions about, well, did she die there? Well, if

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Speaker 1: you're in another location that has different kinds of soil,

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Speaker 1: you find that on the body. You know that soil

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Speaker 1: is not associated with that. That's why in forensics, trace

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Speaker 1: evidence is so very important. And that covers you know,

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Speaker 1: the gamut brol down to this Sheryl and everybody jump

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Speaker 1: in the van. Her transit is part here. Then there's

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Speaker 1: some grass right and there's a creek. Then there's a log,

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Speaker 1: and there's her body. It's right there by where. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of that is true. Everything that Joscott said was fabulous,

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna lose, you know, just use a little

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Speaker 1: horse sense here for you. They're gonna ping his delt home.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna look at where he first fought Gasolene with

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Speaker 1: her debit card, and they're going to backtrack the time

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Speaker 1: that would have taken him to drive there, even if

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Speaker 1: he was driving one hundred miles an hour. Then they're

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Speaker 1: gonna see when did he first called home, because remember

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Speaker 1: Mama changed the number of people that were going to

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Speaker 1: go camping before he got home, so there was some communication.

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna be able to tell every time he

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Speaker 1: stopped to eat, every time he got gasoline, the amount

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Speaker 1: of hours that took him to get home, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to double back and say he left

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Speaker 1: at approximately this time, which means now she was killed

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Speaker 1: between here and here as soon as he turned his

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Speaker 1: cell phone on, if he had an offering a period

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Speaker 1: of time, as soon as hers stopped working, and where

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Speaker 1: it stopped for the last time. Because remember when he

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Speaker 1: when he sent that bogus tech so the thirtieth, he

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Speaker 1: was already in a round home. So if he sent

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Speaker 1: that home from the I cannot wait to get the

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Speaker 1: ping of where that phone was when he sent the text,

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Speaker 1: no cell service in Yosemite. I mean, for all I

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Speaker 1: know it was in Alabama. No cell service in Yosemite.

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Speaker 1: That one thing, that one ping is going to tell

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Speaker 1: us so much. And all I can do right now

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Speaker 1: is think about forensic etymology and Gabby's fingernails. We wait

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Speaker 1: as the evidence unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off goodbye,