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Speaker 3: I'm Rob Parker from the Odd Couple here on Fox

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Speaker 3: Carry Roads. Yes, or played for the Jets in the

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Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals, and we are here on New Year's Day

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Speaker 3: watching the college football playoff. It is still three to nothing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Texas Tech missed the field goal and now Oregon

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Speaker 4: just faked the punt and got a first down.

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Speaker 5: Here here we go.

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Speaker 3: So Oregon up three nothing here in the second quarter,

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Speaker 3: about eight and a half minutes to go. Yes, but

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Speaker 3: bottom of the hour. We got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: to talk about, some NFL stuff to get to as well,

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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford or that MVP. Look you, I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: I'm not happy. I'm not happy. I'm just you know, Carrie,

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Speaker 3: that's not happy. That's I told you so. You know, well,

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Speaker 3: you know I say that a lot on The Odd Couple, Right,

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Speaker 3: I told you so, I told you no doubt.

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Speaker 3: So we got a lot to get to an hour

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Speaker 3: number two. Uh We'll be here for Colin and then

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Speaker 3: later on at seven pm Eastern. It's the Odd Couple

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Speaker 3: right here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Carrie, I know

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Speaker 3: the difference between underdogs and cute little stories of teams

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Speaker 3: that don't have what they need and they somehow find

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Speaker 3: a way to win.

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Speaker 5: Those are heartwarming stories. You want to do a.

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Speaker 3: Disney movie Angel in the Outfield, you know, and all

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Speaker 3: these kind of like sappy Mighty Ducks.

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Speaker 5: Say the Mighty Ducks.

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Speaker 3: Oh, my god, you know and all this stuff, Indiana

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Speaker 3: football is not one of these stories. I Am not

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Speaker 3: like what they're trying to sell you, like they're they're

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Speaker 3: fraudulent underdogs to me, because I get that when you

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Speaker 3: think of Indiana, it's about basketball. Yes, it's never been

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Speaker 3: But when you look at how they got here, tell

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Speaker 3: you they're not underdogs. Not a little engine that couldn't

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Speaker 3: during the top ten money spent on players.

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Speaker 5: Top ten, Wow, I don't know that.

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Speaker 3: Coaching staff and support staff they make twenty million dollars, okay,

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Speaker 5: Have a quarterback. Their quarterback makes two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: This is not Oh my god, how did Indiana come

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Speaker 5: Who's saying that. There are people trying to paint them.

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Speaker 5: They're trying to paint the match.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're like because of their history, of right,

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Speaker 5: Yes, Like this is incredible.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe Indiana has a chance to win the

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Speaker 5: They've never had a chance to win.

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Speaker 3: No one's ever talked about Indiana football blah blah blah

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Speaker 3: and you just name them right when you do the math. Yes,

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Speaker 3: when you spend money, they've embraced the transfer portal. They've

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Speaker 3: gotten good players from other schools, like this is a plan,

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Speaker 3: this is like we're all in here, all our chipps.

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Speaker 3: I'm not knocking them, but don't make out a false

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Speaker 3: narrative like your stunned. If you do any research, they

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Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: college football has afforded teams like Indiana, right, and Indiana

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Speaker 4: means we know they have the resources to pay those guys.

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Speaker 4: So if now, if you got a coach you believe

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Speaker 4: there's no way he's going to come to you and

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Speaker 4: say we're under dog at anything. So that's not their

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Speaker 3: And that's why I don't want to hear the narrative

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Speaker 3: and that that's my point. Yeah, yeah, yes, if you

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Speaker 3: when not okay, I'd say, yeah, what Indiana?

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Speaker 5: How you know what's going on here? What am I missing?

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Speaker 4: But you just said it, Rob. How many people have

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Speaker 4: done the research to know that they've done that? Because

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Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't even know that. I need to

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Speaker 4: that's that part. If that's the case, then no, there's

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Speaker 4: no way there. They're playing with the big boys. They

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Speaker 3: Of money spent, and money doesn't automatically mean you're gonna win.

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking away from the coach or the players.

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Speaker 3: We know that money. The Mets last year had the

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Speaker 3: money money doesn't mean automatically, but the idea that people

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Speaker 3: think that they're some great story because they are the

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Speaker 3: former team that people used to know, They're not that team.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is two years in a row

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Speaker 5: So that's why that's that's why I'm rooting against Indiana.

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Speaker 3: This ain't Indiana. This is Indiana on steroids, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, Like like, no, I'm not buy it

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Speaker 3: belief that the that the blue bud bloods, the big

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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm really waiting for. Carrie.

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Speaker 3: You you played college football, you know college football.

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Speaker 5: Same thing.

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Speaker 3: The NCAA men's basketball tournament. Oh it's great, Cinderella. They

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Speaker 3: just no mid majors won. They're not and they're not

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Speaker 3: like seriously, one school one day game. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 3: win a couple of games, but the closest State beat

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Speaker 5: You could win one game.

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Speaker 4: You can win one game in the Florida Atlantics. The

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Speaker 4: you know, Butler almost did it.

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Speaker 3: Butler almost did it, exactly almost almost.

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Speaker 5: But having done it, man, it's gonna be hard to do.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know h what I was gonna give

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Speaker 3: out our odd couple number. I'm gonna throw out all

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Speaker 3: number anyway here on the herd. If you do want

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Speaker 3: to join in, do you love this story, the Indiana story?

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Speaker 5: Does it not feel as good as you know your.

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Speaker 3: Typical underdog unbelievable stories eight seven, seven four eight four

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Speaker 4: The one thing I will say, rob really quickly about

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Speaker 4: that Indiana story. When you talk about the underdog story

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Speaker 4: and you talk about, you know, the people who are

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Speaker 4: with the underdog story and the you know, the even

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Speaker 4: though he's making money, we know all that. I'm talking

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Speaker 4: about him and his story and his play. And that's

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Speaker 4: the quarterback Mendoza, right like, he was not the super

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Speaker 4: highly tired guy. He's a guy that kind of worked

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Speaker 4: his way up and now you know he's in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: He's a likable guy. People find his story fascinating. And

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Speaker 4: I think when you put people in faces in front

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Speaker 4: of those stories, I think that's more more of the

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Speaker 4: story here, you know what I mean when it comes

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Speaker 4: to them being done the dog.

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Speaker 5: But he's making two million dollars. I know that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the way see, but his talent was enough

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Speaker 3: to command two million dollars, is what I'm saying. I

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Speaker 3: know what you'r and that and that's why I have

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Speaker 3: like Indiana.

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Speaker 5: It has two faces.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The face is oh, what a great story. This

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Speaker 3: is about the quarterback. Yes, oh what a great story.

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Speaker 3: This is about the coach. He's only been there two years.

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Speaker 3: Look at what he's turned the program around. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's a genius coach. He's got deep pockets.

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Speaker 5: Yeah they do. Yeah, I hear you.

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Speaker 3: And and and that's why I can't. I can't wrap

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Speaker 3: my hands around it. Eight seven seven for the Herd.

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Speaker 3: Are you loving Indiana? Are you all in on the

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Speaker 3: Indiana story? Maybe wanting? But now at Ohio States, how

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Speaker 3: maybe they win the national championship? They might How shocked

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Speaker 3: I could, I wouldn't be shocked, but they won the

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Speaker 3: national championship, right, No, I'm asking you, but you could

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Speaker 3: be number one? You know, No, you can't be number one,

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Speaker 3: and there'd be an underdog and you and you'd be

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Speaker 3: surprised that they want Okay, well did Then that's the

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Speaker 3: oxymoron here is that is that people are talking about

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Speaker 3: how great of a story it is, but they're the

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Speaker 5: Rob g Yeah.

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Speaker 7: With that in mind, guys, Nick Saban is of course

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Speaker 7: in very wet pasady in here ahead of the Rose

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Speaker 7: Bowl on ESPN or ABC excuse me, locally, yep, and

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Speaker 7: they're previewing the game. Obviously, Nick Saban, you would expect

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Speaker 7: to have some kind of slant towards the tide. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: but here's what he said quote. We would play the sound,

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Speaker 7: but he curses it and we can't do that, Nick Saban, Great,

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Speaker 7: great job, Nick, I know you're on television, Will been.

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Speaker 5: Doing it for a few years. Didn't know you can't curse.

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Speaker 5: Here's what he said. Quote.

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Speaker 7: The amazing thing about this is how much respect we

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Speaker 7: have for Indiana internally. But when I go play with

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Speaker 7: my golfing buddies in Alabama and they're all on the

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Speaker 7: first tea they say we should kick a blank out

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Speaker 7: of Indiana. It doesn't sound like a big dog on campus.

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Speaker 7: That sound like they're being viewed as the little bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's how people are viewing them, not like

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Speaker 3: oh my god, because they can't see Indiana and having

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Speaker 3: that kind of juice, or they don't have a track

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Speaker 3: record for them. People that have put respect on them,

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Speaker 3: but they should if they look at the team. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the amount of money they spent, the people they got

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Speaker 3: in transfer portals, like they have a talented team. There's

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Speaker 3: a reason they are where they are. No, I mean

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Speaker 3: as Pennsylvania. Greg, what's happening my man? Welcome to the

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Speaker 6: Happy new Year with a real feel of twelve degrees

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Speaker 6: of beautiful Houston Town, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 5: Wow, where is Houstontown?

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Speaker 3: Where are you on this? Indiana? I know it sounds

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Speaker 5: We got to go.

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Speaker 3: Our coaching staff is making twenty million dollars. Our quarterback

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I agree. I just think that the piece where

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Speaker 3: Oh so you're room for him? Are they going to

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Speaker 6: No, I'm for Miami, Greg, That's a good choice.

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Speaker 5: Can they go sit down? No, no, no, urban go

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Speaker 5: Oh here we go. What happened?

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Speaker 3: Can the kids have their shine?

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Speaker 5: It's your school there. Let the let those kids come on.

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Speaker 5: Themselves the focal point or look at me.

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Speaker 3: Look at me, you know my let your boy have

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Speaker 5: I couldn't see you, you know, I couldn't see you,

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Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden they started losing. None

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Speaker 3: There nobody there that that. Where are those guys? Where's

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Speaker 3: come on, where are you now? If I'm Dion, I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I got it. That's why it's phony to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that makes sense. No, I agree with you

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Speaker 5: Yes? Are they the favorite?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 5: But they have a chance to bring one back to Miami.

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Speaker 3: It's just crazy, all right.

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Speaker 7: Hey, rob g just quickly we're keep it out on

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Speaker 7: for Texas Tech, coming into that last drive, total plays

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Speaker 7: Oregon forty five to twenty total yards one sixty nine

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Speaker 7: to eighty two, time of possession twenty one point thirty

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Speaker 7: to seven oh one, and you're only up six to nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Like this is not you know, this

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Speaker 3: one touchdown and the whole thing that you work for

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Speaker 3: the first half is nothing like this is a Texas

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Speaker 3: Tech type of game, too, right, And we talk about

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Speaker 3: it right now.

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Speaker 4: In the beginning, in the first hour hour of the show,

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Speaker 4: teams that have to buy start out slow, and again

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Speaker 4: Texas Texas Tech here is starting out slow.

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Speaker 5: It's it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Because I thought the same thing, even though Miami wound

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Speaker 3: up winning, I thought they're only up fourteen to.

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Speaker 5: Nothing at the half. This one's closer. And this is

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Speaker 5: even closer.

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Speaker 3: They haven't even the organ hasn't even scored a touchdown,

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Speaker 3: I mean two field goals.

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Speaker 4: And that's the other thing we talked about it, Rob,

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Speaker 4: like we you know, we're we're kind of old school.

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Speaker 5: We're taking two turnovers and we'll take the points.

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Speaker 4: Like if Oregon kicks the kicks the field goal last,

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Speaker 4: the possession before when they went put on fourth down,

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Speaker 4: it's nine. Nothing like all these points are going to

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Speaker 4: matter as this game continues, and so passing up points early,

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Speaker 4: trying to score touchdowns doesn't always behoove their team that's

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Speaker 4: trying to be aggressive.

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Speaker 3: I agree, because nine is definitely better. Like nine, that's

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Speaker 3: two score games. That's a two score game. You only

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Speaker 3: could get six and two with the two point that's eight.

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Speaker 3: You still have an advantage over them. Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 3: All right, it is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 3: Rob Parker, Cary Roads filling in for Colin Cahurd. We're

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Speaker 3: definitely got a lot of stuff we're gonna get to.

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Speaker 3: NFL wise, We're gonna talk to Carmen Vitally from Fox

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Speaker 3: Sports Radio of course here she's a weekend host here

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Speaker 3: and all things NFL. Looking forward to this coming Sunday,

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Speaker 3: right with the NFL. A couple of games gonna decide

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Speaker 3: whether guys get in the playoffs or not, which will

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Speaker 3: be very very interested.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I know me and you disagree on the Steelers of Ravens.

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Speaker 5: Which makes me, makes it upsets me.

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Speaker 3: Rob. I'm just no, no, you upset me. You are

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Speaker 3: raven You know I'm into the Ravens. I've picked them

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Speaker 3: to go to the super Bowl the last three years.

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Speaker 3: I thought Lamar got robbed of the MVP last year.

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Speaker 3: Not happy about it. Yeah, but just so many things

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Speaker 3: the this year, that team just hasn't been whole. That's

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Speaker 3: why I think it's time for John Harbaugh to uh to,

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Speaker 3: you know, they need to part ways. It's been there

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Speaker 3: a long time and every year ends the same way.

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Speaker 3: Carry where it's disappointing, right, every every year. And I'm

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Speaker 3: it's not always Lamar. I know, Lamar gets blamed for everything.

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Speaker 3: Mark Andrews, you know, can't catch a ball in the

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Speaker 3: end zone, a tire playoff game, fumbles, a Flowers AFC

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Speaker 3: Championship game at the one yard lite.

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Speaker 5: Like I could go on and on and on anything

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Speaker 5: that can happen.

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Speaker 3: That's happened, all right. Carmen Vitality, she's joining us now,

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Speaker 3: of course. Fox Sports Radio Weekend hosts Carbon Happy New Year,

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Speaker 3: say hello to Kerry Rhades is Rob Parker here on

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Speaker 3: the herd.

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Speaker 5: What's happening, Hi, guys, Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Carmen,

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Speaker 5: what's shaking?

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Speaker 3: Did you have a good New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 5: Anything special?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 10: No, not incredibly special. That we did go over to

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Speaker 10: a friends how she had a lovely house party and

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Speaker 10: it was wonderful, just kind of ringing in the new

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Speaker 10: year with friends. And now I'm parked on the couch

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Speaker 10: watching these Bowl games. There you go, these playoff games.

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Speaker 10: I should say, they're not just bowl games.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Things have changed, all right. Let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the NFL, And so Lamar Jackson is practicing and people

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Speaker 3: still question whether or not what they should do at quarterback,

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Speaker 3: which I just can't understand.

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Speaker 5: But well, where are you on this? Should should Lamar play?

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Speaker 3: If he's seventy percent or sixty five percent regardless?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think you need to evaluate if sixty

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Speaker 10: five seventy percent Lamar is better than any other option

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Speaker 10: for you, because if it is, and I don't think

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Speaker 10: it's a it's just a question, right, And I think

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Speaker 10: the answer is probably yes. So I would I get

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Speaker 10: that you know, he's he's not one hundred percent, but

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Speaker 10: at this point, nobody in the season is one hundred percent,

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Speaker 10: So throw him out there. This is what you play for.

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Speaker 4: Do you think if the winner of that Pittsburgh Baltimore

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Speaker 4: raven game, you know, obviously the winner wins division gets

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs, actually you know, host a home playoff game,

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Speaker 4: But do you think in either one of those teams

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Speaker 4: can actually win a playoff game. And if either one

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Speaker 4: of those teams can win the playoff game, which one

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Speaker 4: would you rather throw in the mix to be a

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Speaker 4: disruptor in the playoffs.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's interesting because the Ravens there was a

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Speaker 10: large part of the season where you know, it was

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Speaker 10: almost thought to be a lost season, and then all

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Speaker 10: of a sudden, you know, they're in this position where

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Speaker 10: they're winning in they're winning like they could win the

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Speaker 10: division still, and a lot of things have gone right

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Speaker 10: for them. And it's been my experience with teams that

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Speaker 10: the ones that can make the most noise in the

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Speaker 10: playoffs aren't necessarily the ones where things have gone well

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Speaker 10: for them throughout the season, where it's been sunshine and

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Speaker 10: rainbows and there's been you know, it's kind of a

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Speaker 10: smooth sailing. It's always been the teams that have to

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Speaker 10: overcome something and they have some grit to them and

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Speaker 10: some fight to them, and they know that they're not

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Speaker 10: out of it until they're out of it. So I

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Speaker 10: don't know, I think, like I think both of these

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Speaker 10: teams are capable because of you know, they have good

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Speaker 10: Like the Ravens defense hasn't been what you want it

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Speaker 10: to be, but they've shown the ability to turn it

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Speaker 10: on here and there. Pittsburgh, I mean, defense wins championships

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Speaker 10: and I think in the postseason it becomes even more important.

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Speaker 10: But I don't know, I just I think the Ravens

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Speaker 10: they've been able to figure it out and get to

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Speaker 10: this spot when we didn't think that that was the

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Speaker 10: case six weeks ago. So I'm gonna go with the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: There you go. They heard that Ravens.

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Speaker 3: I just Carmen, I just got to admit all year

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Speaker 3: they haven't been able to put it together, and I

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Speaker 3: just every year ends out like like if they were

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Speaker 3: have lose to Pittsburgh on a fumble or something at

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Speaker 3: some point, that would that would be so fitting because

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Speaker 3: it just has been that way. What about the Houston Texans,

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Speaker 3: they have a defense to go to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure about the quarterback. And I'm gonna be honest,

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Speaker 3: Yeah you said, I'm that serious about CJ. Stroud. I've

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Speaker 3: seen some glimpses, but I've seen the droughts as well.

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Speaker 3: Where are you on the Texans? And remember after his

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Speaker 3: rookie year, they all crowned CJ. Stroud and now they're

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Speaker 3: going to the Super Bowl and all that.

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Speaker 5: Last year. It took a step back in year two

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Speaker 5: and this year has been uneven.

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Speaker 3: He was heard some his numbers aren't great and they

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Speaker 3: were winning with the backup quarterback in their Carmen. Where

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Speaker 3: are you on the Texans?

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Speaker 10: I mean, what was different about this year? It was

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Speaker 10: that the Texans didn't have who was starting for them

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Speaker 10: on the offensive line until Week one. I mean I

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Speaker 10: kind of go towards all right, what caused you know?

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Speaker 1: C J.

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Speaker 10: Stroud injury could have been mitigated. I know it's been

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Speaker 10: up and down for him, but we saw his ability

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Speaker 10: in that first year. I don't think that that just

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Speaker 10: goes away. And I understand teams kind of figure you

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Speaker 10: out and all.

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Speaker 5: That, but we've seen second years.

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Speaker 3: Jane Daniels won the same like like they do, they

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Speaker 3: figure out what your strengths are and you have to

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Speaker 3: make another adjustment. That's all I'm saying, and not that

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Speaker 3: he's going to be a bum or anything, but there's

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Speaker 3: a difference.

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Speaker 5: People can't get crowned too early one hundred percent.

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Speaker 10: No, they can't, and nor can they be given up

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Speaker 10: on too early either, which I think we've seen a

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Speaker 10: bunch of times. And I think that you know, the

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Speaker 10: process of becoming an elite NFL quarterback isn't a linear

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Speaker 10: one and it's one that you need to have patients with,

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Speaker 10: and these teams really can't afford patients in a lot

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Speaker 10: of cases because of ownership pressure, this, that the other.

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Speaker 10: There's a ton of different factors. But I think we

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Speaker 10: as an NFL community really expect too much too soon

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Speaker 10: for too long with these guys, whereas we've seen so

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Speaker 10: many examples of five six years into their career then

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Speaker 10: they're they're you know, they clearly have command of an

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Speaker 10: offense and that you know, these these quarterbacks don't enter

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Speaker 10: their prime until they're thirty. And how far away from

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Speaker 10: thirty is CJ. Strouds. So I think that there's adjustments

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Speaker 10: that need to be that are needed in Houston, for sure,

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Speaker 10: but I mean that defense, and I mean Will Anderson

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Speaker 10: and Neil Hunter are just two of the best, and

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Speaker 10: if they can keep you in games, which they can,

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Speaker 10: I think that the Texans could still make some noise.

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Speaker 3: Carmen vitally joining us here on the herd of course

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio Weekend hosts, and I do want.

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Speaker 5: To get me slide in here.

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Speaker 4: There's a so right now, somebody has to win the

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Speaker 4: NFC South Carmen, and obviously Carolina has the upper upper

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Speaker 4: hand here. They kind of control their own destiny. They

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Speaker 4: win therein even if they lose. In Tampa Bay wins

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Speaker 4: and Atlanta wins, they went off of tie break scenario,

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Speaker 4: so there's some strange things happening there. But if Carolina

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Speaker 4: gets in the playoff, we've seen them beat some really

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Speaker 4: good teams and then obviously obviously have letdowns against lesser

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Speaker 4: teams or equal teams.

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Speaker 5: In their in their world.

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Speaker 4: But do you see this team actually having a chance

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Speaker 4: to make a run in the playoffs.

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Speaker 10: I don't know about this year, quite honest. I think

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Speaker 10: there's still some glaring holes there. And I do think that, yeah, well,

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Speaker 10: like they have the capability to beat better teams, but

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Speaker 10: I think that also kind of came out of nowhere

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Speaker 10: for those teams, you know, like that was not the

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Speaker 10: narrative that for the Panthers early in the season at least,

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Speaker 10: And then I think more people have taken notice of

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Speaker 10: the Panthers as the season has gone on, and they

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Speaker 10: have beat some of these seams. But then you think

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Speaker 10: about what the environment is once you get to the

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Speaker 10: postseason and how nobody's underestimating anybody at that point, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 10: and the margin for er gets that much smaller, and

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Speaker 10: I think that that's where some of those glaring holes

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Speaker 10: in that Carolina team would come. But like to your point,

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Speaker 10: somebody has to win the NFC salth and none of

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Speaker 10: these teams. It seems like a couple of years ago

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Speaker 10: where the Bucks and it was a fout Bucks and

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Speaker 10: Falcons like literally losing games trying to give the division

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Speaker 10: to one another. And you're just like, all right, like

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Speaker 10: someone has to step up here. And I don't know

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Speaker 10: that any of those teams are built right now to

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Speaker 10: do much in the postseason. But we've been wrong.

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Speaker 3: Before speaking of the postseason. Is this a big postseason

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Speaker 3: for Sam Doneld, because.

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Speaker 5: Very seldom do you win fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Games like he did with Minnesota and them not being

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Speaker 3: interested in keeping a guy right back. He goes to

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Speaker 3: Seattle and he's had a.

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Speaker 5: You know, really good year. There's been some bumps, but

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Speaker 5: he's bad a really good year.

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Speaker 3: And where they are and people are still waiting because

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Speaker 3: in that game against the Rams, he turned in a

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Speaker 3: stinker in the first half, and people.

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Speaker 5: Are like, there we go.

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Speaker 3: It's not oh, the narrative on him. No, it's not

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Speaker 3: a narrative. This is a fact, like in these big

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Speaker 3: games he hasn't played well, but they came back, they

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Speaker 3: won the game, and whatnot. How important is it for

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Speaker 3: him to win a playoff game if you're Seattle and

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Speaker 3: for people to get off of the Sam Donald can't

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Speaker 3: win a big game talk.

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Speaker 10: I think there there's something to be said for the

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Speaker 10: legitimization of Sam Donald by winning a playoff game. I

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Speaker 10: really do, just because if you look at, you know,

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Speaker 10: other good quarterbacks when they have bad games, nobody's saying, oh,

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Speaker 10: you know, they're they're they're they're a terrible quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 10: Matthew Stafford turned in a stinker last week and people

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Speaker 10: are just like, well, he's still in the MVP. Conversation

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Speaker 10: still deserving it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be, that'll be seen. I mean we got

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Speaker 3: to wait and see, because come back, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: gotta watch the mouth. You can't talk about Matthew Ahead.

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Speaker 10: I'm pro Matthew Sabbard. I'm just saying, Matthew Stafford has

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Speaker 10: put together a body of work that lets you, you know,

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Speaker 10: he gets you get the benefit of the doubt with that.

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Speaker 10: With Matthew Stabbert. Yes, Sam Donald doesn't have that luxury

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Speaker 10: because he doesn't have that body of work yet. And

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Speaker 10: so I think going going into the playoffs with a

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Speaker 10: strong of a team as Seattle has, with as strong

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Speaker 10: of a defense as Seattle has, and winning a playoff

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Speaker 10: game can go a long way into giving Sam Donald

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Speaker 10: the benefit of the doubt and saying, oh he is

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Speaker 10: a good quarterback. Sure can he turn in you know,

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Speaker 10: some some sinkers every now and again. Of course every

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Speaker 10: quarterback can. But do we actually think that Sam Donald

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Speaker 10: is a good quarterback? And postseason success is the quickest

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Speaker 10: route to that?

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Speaker 4: All right, Carment, I'm gonna put you on the spot

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Speaker 4: a little bit here, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 4: going to ask you to pick your represent representatives of

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Speaker 4: the NFC and AFC in the championship in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 5: Do you who do you have?

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Speaker 10: Listen, I had this pick going into the season. This

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Speaker 10: Super Bowl matchup is still on the table, so I

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Speaker 10: don't feel as confident about it. But I'm not one

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Speaker 10: to back down from something that's still possible. I had,

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Speaker 10: I had Bill Packers.

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Speaker 5: Bill's Packers. You still feel good about that. I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying that I don't. You should change your pick, right,

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying.

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Speaker 10: Right, I don't feel good about it, however, because it's

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Speaker 10: still possible, like I mean, and especially if it actually happens, then,

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Speaker 10: I mean, bragging rights would be infinite. At that point,

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Speaker 10: I would never shut up about it because I'm going

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Speaker 10: to stick to it.

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Speaker 3: No, you always got to stick to your pick. Because

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Speaker 3: I had the Packers and the Ravens. That was my

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Speaker 3: original pick.

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Speaker 5: But he's picking Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: I'm ticking Pittsburgh because of what the Ravens have done

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Speaker 3: all year.

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Speaker 10: You think you think Pittsburgh is going to get out

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Speaker 10: of the AFC.

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Speaker 3: No, But I'm no, no, no, I mean I'm picking Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: to beat Baltimore.

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Speaker 5: So that you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Eliminates my pick, right, and like, normally you wouldn't do that,

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Speaker 3: but I just I really don't feel like Baltimore has

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Speaker 3: been able to put it together. And then you're telling

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Speaker 3: me Lamar is not going to be totally healthy. You know,

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Speaker 3: if he's a healthy Lamar, then then yeah, I'm all in.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know what I'm what I'm going to get?

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Speaker 3: What was your original pick? I'm Ravens and Rams? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you still feel good about the Rams the last

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks. Yes, they stink. They waiting for they

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Speaker 3: had the number one Carmen had the number one seed

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Speaker 3: locked up ten days ago.

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Speaker 10: And look at where they are now to someone else.

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Speaker 10: Y'all didn't even bring up the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, we did not. But he's but Carmen, he's

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Speaker 4: he's a big believer in Caleb Williams. So am I

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Speaker 4: but he's I was.

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Speaker 3: On the Caleb Williams believing when everybody was talking about

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Speaker 3: always going to be benched at half midway in the season,

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Speaker 3: and uh, Ben Johnson doesn't like him and all this

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Speaker 3: other stuff.

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Speaker 5: He's put together an unbelievable season.

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Speaker 10: I mean, from what we've heard at the podium these

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Speaker 10: last couple of weeks actually, like it really seems like

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Speaker 10: something's clicked for Caleb where he's in command of this offense,

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Speaker 10: not just along for the ride anymore. And everything we've

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Speaker 10: heard from Caleb too is that they didn't really like

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Speaker 10: each other in the beginning, and that's consistent with how

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Speaker 10: Ben Jonson and Jared Goff's relationship developed as well. Ben

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Speaker 10: is the exact same person every single day, from the

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Speaker 10: first day you meet him to you know, day one

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Speaker 10: hundred into your relationship, and that can rub people that's

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Speaker 10: the wrong way sometimes because he comes in very intensely

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Speaker 10: and you know, he has really high expectations and it

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Speaker 10: takes a while to kind of trust that. And Caleb

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Speaker 10: kind of admitted to that the last week, I believe

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Speaker 10: when he was talking about it, and so their relationship

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Speaker 10: wasn't there, but it is now and now that that

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Speaker 10: relationship has gotten so much better, and you can tell

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Speaker 10: that Caleb is starting to kind of see the field

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Speaker 10: the way Ben wants them to and the way Ben

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Speaker 10: himself does. I mean, this is a really good It

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Speaker 10: looks like it's going to end up being a really

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Speaker 10: good pairing. Now if only the Bears could figure out

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Speaker 10: their path rush and their run defense, then then we

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Speaker 10: can start talking about real postseason Chicago pack.

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Speaker 3: All right, hey, Carmen, we appreciate you joining us here

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Speaker 10: Happy New Year, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: All right, I tried to tell you Matthew Stafford's MVP

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Speaker 3: case was fraudulent.

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Speaker 5: We'll get into that next here on the Herd.

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Speaker 3: It is Rob Parker and Kerry Road sitting in for

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Speaker 3: Colin right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: But come on, he took he took a song from

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Speaker 3: A banger banger. I mean, like a lot of people

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Speaker 3: know this song is exactly it's so many samples from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all the music was sampled at that time, right, believable.

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Speaker 3: Rob G jump in. Everybody thinks I have some personal

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Speaker 3: thing against Matthew staff You do, past had.

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Speaker 5: Chris So.

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Speaker 7: Coming into Monday Night's game, Matthew Stafford was the favorite,

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Speaker 7: betting favorite, consensus favorite, media favorite.

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Speaker 5: He was gonna win the.

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Speaker 7: NFL m VP. He had a minus two to twenty

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Speaker 7: five favorite all the shops. And here's the thing. After

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Speaker 7: throwing your two interceptions first eleven games. He has now

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Speaker 7: thrown six since Week thirteen, including three on Monday nights

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Speaker 7: during that stretches Week thirteen only should Nor Sanders with

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Speaker 7: eight and Brady Cook with seven have more interceptions after.

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Speaker 5: Stafford literally limping to.

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Speaker 7: The finish line as a result, after Monday's game, Stafford

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Speaker 7: was minus two twenty five favorite.

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Speaker 5: It's flipped the complete opposite direction.

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Speaker 7: Drake May now minus four hundred to walk a rank

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Speaker 7: with the hardware carry.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this, of course, the bad game, two

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Speaker 3: bad games, and even in that. He played well in

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Speaker 3: the Seattle game in the beginning, but the second half

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Speaker 3: and the fourth quarter he couldn't get anything going. Here's

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Speaker 3: why Stafford is not gonna win the MVP. Ooh okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: because it's harder to give it to you when your

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Speaker 3: team is the fifth or sixth seed, where they were

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Speaker 3: the number one seed, Drake May. You could take a

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Speaker 3: look at whatever and say Stafford has eight more touchdowns whatever,

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Speaker 3: but did.

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Speaker 5: A number umber one overall seed.

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Speaker 3: That's the hard part giving it to a guy whose

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Speaker 3: team's not even in the you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: could be sixth seed in the NFC.

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Speaker 5: That's the argument.

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Speaker 3: You could look back and look and go see, you'd

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Speaker 3: probably be hard pressed to find a quarterback who's won

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Speaker 3: the MVP where their team is not in the top

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Speaker 3: two or three as far as in their conference.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's made it tough right now, right, he made it.

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Speaker 5: He's made made it a real conversation. Where two weeks

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Speaker 5: ago he was a clear Ten days ago, they were

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Speaker 5: the number one overall seed everything.

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Speaker 4: I mean, people were saying they're the best team in

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Speaker 4: the league. And now you have two stinkers like that

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Speaker 4: in a row and you're part of that. I can

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Speaker 4: see why people would vote the other way. I mean,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, he's still the guy, but I can

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Speaker 4: see the other way now.

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Speaker 3: But you remember when Lamar won it over Rock Party.

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Speaker 3: They went into San Francisco. Yes, Rock Party threw four picks.

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Speaker 3: I remember they said it was tied going into that game.

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Speaker 3: Lamar played well. In what happened, Lamar won easily one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Agree, And doing that in national televised games where you're

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Speaker 4: the only team playing, that hurts everybody's watching.

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Speaker 5: Matthew Steventh, though, do picks against that six and nine

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Speaker 5: Falcons team going nowhere? Yeah? That hurts.

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Speaker 3: So that's a bad part, all right. Our number three,

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Speaker 3: the final hour of the program here on the Herd

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Speaker 3: coming up, and we're gonna talk about Lamar Jackson and

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Speaker 3: whether or not he should start for the Ravens. We'll

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Speaker 3: get that and much more so. You know what you

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Speaker 3: need to do the Herd is you

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Speaker 4: Need to stick and stay unless you play bad in

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Speaker 4: the USA.