Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, ding dong culture. I
Speaker 1: heard from a friend of a friend that that dick
Speaker 1: was a ten out of ten? What wait wait? What
Speaker 1: are you wait? Yeah? Okay, wait wait wait can I
Speaker 1: tell you? Can I be very real? Yeah? I thought
Speaker 1: this could have been anything because we did have sort
Speaker 1: of a pride weekend, um, and so that that's sure.
Speaker 1: But you can actually heard that from I had. I
Speaker 1: had a pretty sexless pride weekend, which I know, which
Speaker 1: is not the goal. I just want to say that
Speaker 1: mine was very chaste. It was a very chaste pride weekend. UM.
Speaker 1: Did have some lovely little dance floor moments with some
Speaker 1: some individuals, but otherwise kept it really responsible. Not no,
Speaker 1: I take that back, That's not the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I kept it s east irresponsible. What get to clothes?
Speaker 1: I did not get to clothes? I did not. I
Speaker 1: didn't even. All I did was open up my you know,
Speaker 1: my button down for a couple of moments, and that
Speaker 1: was that. Anyway. What was yours? Like mine was you know,
Speaker 1: sort of um. To be honest with you, I've realized
Speaker 1: now more than ever, I really can't stay out past
Speaker 1: like one, and so a lot of it was finding
Speaker 1: a friend and leaving um and whether that meant just
Speaker 1: going to have a nice meal or go fall asleep somewhere.
Speaker 1: It was sort of, um, a lot of that. But
Speaker 1: I would not consider my my Pride weekend sex filled.
Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't. I don't. Yeah, I mean, but I
Speaker 1: kind of want to d I want I want to
Speaker 1: sort of debunk this whole notion that like sex is
Speaker 1: what's driving pride. I don't think that's what's happening. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's ever been what's happened for most people.
Speaker 1: And that's it's okay for us to all admit that
Speaker 1: as um a collect to. Yeah, I think that honestly,
Speaker 1: what I wanted out of it was to sort of
Speaker 1: be back in New York, go to all these events
Speaker 1: that I've been seeing, Like I really wanted to go
Speaker 1: to Thai Tee finally, and we made it to Tie
Speaker 1: te Um and by way, I mean me and I
Speaker 1: sort of like did get to experience all of it.
Speaker 1: But I have to tell you, ultimately, I'm I'm only
Speaker 1: exhausted at the end of pride Um, and I sometimes
Speaker 1: feel as as if at the end of it, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if I had fun. Now, remember like, uh,
Speaker 1: this this comes after the end of a few days
Speaker 1: of go go go, go, go go go, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot, and so sometimes your
Speaker 1: serotonin is sapped. But I really didn't take substances this
Speaker 1: time that really sapped my serotonine. I mean, you and
Speaker 1: I did half a Molly and we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll
Speaker 1: say it, but you, I think it took more substances
Speaker 1: than I. I whether whether or not that's true, I
Speaker 1: definitely snaps. I definitely hit a breaking point and I'm
Speaker 1: still kind of in that space where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I had a moment where it was dark and I
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it, like I was like fun.
Speaker 1: And I talked to our good friend, good good good
Speaker 1: friend friend Toronto about this because um, he was dealing
Speaker 1: with the kind of a similar thing where it was
Speaker 1: like we're both like fucking the marshals of fun and
Speaker 1: had to like concierge people's asses into like doing fun things.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, uh, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a drain. And I don't mean to like make it
Speaker 1: sound like, I hate that I'm like framing this in
Speaker 1: terms of something transactional, but like it did feel like um,
Speaker 1: I was like things were being procured from me. And
Speaker 1: by the end, by Sunday, like circa eight thirty pm,
Speaker 1: I was like, you, guys, figure out what you want
Speaker 1: to do because I have facilitated everything up to this point,
Speaker 1: and one of you figure out which fucking car to
Speaker 1: go into because I'm not about to make that decision
Speaker 1: for you, can I? And I'm I'm just being open
Speaker 1: about that with you and you and you and you.
Speaker 1: You came in like a very good sister and like
Speaker 1: really talked me down, and I'm very appreciative of that.
Speaker 1: But I the fact still stands at like I finally
Speaker 1: fucking like, I don't know, I I bottomed out chemically,
Speaker 1: emotionally legit like you know, um um on a producer
Speaker 1: lee level. I feel like I was producing the weekend
Speaker 1: for people and I was like, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this anyway. I think that
Speaker 1: the what what what it's popularly how it's popularly phrased
Speaker 1: is she snapped, And I think that I am. I
Speaker 1: was happy to be there for my sister when I
Speaker 1: saw the sort of limb limb breaking and I was
Speaker 1: there to hold my sister's hand because you are right.
Speaker 1: You were sort of like kind enough to like be like,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. And I think it
Speaker 1: was exciting in the beginning, but I could see even
Speaker 1: on I think Thursday, I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: going to be a lot. And I want to say
Speaker 1: I've been saying for years, and I think I have
Speaker 1: to sort of correct myself. Be a bit to your
Speaker 1: closest friends, this pride. But sometimes you don't even have
Speaker 1: to be that close of our friend to be a
Speaker 1: bit to people. You can just be riding their back
Speaker 1: and be a goddamn acquaintance. And to your acquaintances this
Speaker 1: pride and I we love we we I would say
Speaker 1: this every single person I saw this weekend I love.
Speaker 1: And I even saw people that I didn't love before
Speaker 1: this weekend, I looked them in their eyes and I said,
Speaker 1: I love you, actually and how I really believe it.
Speaker 1: But this is a weekend to get on the very
Speaker 1: last nerve of the people around you, and by the
Speaker 1: end we all need a break. And I think now
Speaker 1: we have a boundary for next year. This is of course,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll see, we'll see. I hope, I hope we
Speaker 1: all sort of take away one lesson this year, which
Speaker 1: is um like just like just just just pull it
Speaker 1: back a little bit, because it was be a bit
Speaker 1: to your ease, as the kids say on Twitter, like
Speaker 1: like like every like you know, it was a lovely
Speaker 1: experience to hear people be like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: you know, I know that gay from Twitter it is
Speaker 1: and it's so nice to see them out in the wild.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that we're able to finally
Speaker 1: externalize all of these relationships that have only played out
Speaker 1: on the Internet in the past year and a half.
Speaker 1: God bless But also I mean, oh, careful now, careful now,
Speaker 1: because there are some things and those relationships that are
Speaker 1: not fully earned yet. And you maybe and I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not speaking from experience. I did not deal with this,
Speaker 1: but I've heard I've heard some people recount add interactions
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, this person that I've known from
Speaker 1: the Internet, that I've that I'm convinced I'm in love
Speaker 1: with has rebuffed my advances and I feel like garbage
Speaker 1: And I'm like, damn, that sucks. And I'm very sorry.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of those where it's just like
Speaker 1: you experienced that I I'm I have experienced a sort
Speaker 1: of so. And especially it's like when you're coming to
Speaker 1: a new city, um, and when you're coming in it's
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of expectation around seeing people that
Speaker 1: you've talked to online. And the thing about the pandemic
Speaker 1: is I've talked to thousands of people online and like
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, like, what do you know
Speaker 1: that's a little but I think that I've got a
Speaker 1: lot of those like, um, like truly online relationship time.
Speaker 1: So many readers can can identify with this where it's
Speaker 1: just like some someone out there, it's like you really
Speaker 1: have like a firm relationship with them in terms of
Speaker 1: the d m s. And then you get to the
Speaker 1: city and it's just like there's an expectation to sort
Speaker 1: of meet up. Meanwhile, there's so much to do, So
Speaker 1: it's it's the expectation to like match the tone of
Speaker 1: the d m s when you're in person, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like whatever, this is like we're not even saying
Speaker 1: anything new, but it's like there is like and it's
Speaker 1: like some like diluted version of like online dating. What's
Speaker 1: that You've been talking with the person for like months
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, finally we're meeting it. Isn't this
Speaker 1: so nice? But wait, we have to like triangular I'm
Speaker 1: saying this word too much. I'm sorry, triangulate, but we're
Speaker 1: we have to triangulate based off of it's a rule
Speaker 1: of culture. It's really good number seventeen. We have to
Speaker 1: try and have to triangulate imperative. Conte said, it's a
Speaker 1: category categorical imperative that we triangulate. Um. It doesn't adendum
Speaker 1: to the rule, to the rule as rule number seventeen,
Speaker 1: as one said, we doesn't have to try to triangulate
Speaker 1: um anyway. I overall like it was a lovely time,
Speaker 1: but you know the writer, it wasn't. There's this writer Andrew.
Speaker 1: When they write for um Ne York magazine. They also
Speaker 1: perform under the drag alias Dynasty. We saw them. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you weren't there yet, Oh no, you did? You saw
Speaker 1: that They did it? They did um guido, they did
Speaker 1: that numb from not unbelievable And we have to say
Speaker 1: we had the best time at Knockdown Center, like Fan Pride,
Speaker 1: Wonder Fan prim Yes, it was so fun. I mean
Speaker 1: it was incredible, and I saw I think the first
Speaker 1: time I really had seen something I didn't know I
Speaker 1: always wanted, which was drag performance. Well, yes, obviously no
Speaker 1: I've seen We've seen it before, but a drag performance
Speaker 1: of a call from the Vatican from nine, the Penelope
Speaker 1: Cruise version, Help Christs version, So dynasty, we love you.
Speaker 1: But um so Andrew Wynn also is the one who
Speaker 1: has maybe not the one. I don't want to give it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put this all on them, um,
Speaker 1: but they've certainly helped start the conversation, the the discourse
Speaker 1: around the Christopher. Christopher Maloney is like, um, a gay
Speaker 1: sex object or not even gay, just just an object
Speaker 1: of desire. And who's someone who is like leaning into
Speaker 1: And I think Chris is finally leading into like you know,
Speaker 1: like ass like, well if you love the first for
Speaker 1: the first one, yeah, I mean, but it was always there,
Speaker 1: like you know, like you know, Oz has been there
Speaker 1: all along. But now I think Mr Maloney is really
Speaker 1: understanding what he what he's providing to the community. And
Speaker 1: I think Andrew Wynn was writing about us for the
Speaker 1: Cut for a long time and now you know now
Speaker 1: they're they're bemoaning the fact that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are reaching out to them and DMS being like, have
Speaker 1: you seen this bit of Christopher Maloney news? And they're like, God,
Speaker 1: this is like the beat that I've chosen, and so
Speaker 1: this is like the bed that I've made. And I'm like, no, Andrew,
Speaker 1: it's okay, Like you have started this conversation in a
Speaker 1: very good way. But also they said I saw them
Speaker 1: post something on Monday. They were like I most years,
Speaker 1: and this year especially, I feel even more sad and
Speaker 1: cynical after Pride than I do, like happy and hopeful,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, I think deep down we
Speaker 1: all will relate to this. I don't know, is that
Speaker 1: is that too bleak? I'm sorry we're starting. No, I
Speaker 1: mean this is a redux of our serotonin deficit, episode
Speaker 1: of our serotonin bottoming out. And I will say this,
Speaker 1: I actually I was looking forward to this episode because
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to checking in with you, because
Speaker 1: I actually think there might be a difference in in
Speaker 1: our legit serotonin level right now because I, for you,
Speaker 1: actually avoided Molly. I think I might have like because
Speaker 1: it was so because Memorial Day weekend was so much.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm actually going to take a step
Speaker 1: back and sort of like, you know, not that this
Speaker 1: is better, but like it was a very much an
Speaker 1: alcohol forward Pride weekend for me. Like the amount of
Speaker 1: tequila sodaes I I'm really impressed with myself actually or
Speaker 1: not impressed, but like she can drink still, really really
Speaker 1: really in a in a major way. Um, but I
Speaker 1: avoided like drugs and I think as of maybe it's
Speaker 1: because I knew I had to work, I'm working this week,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, I I really I'm happy
Speaker 1: I didn't go as hard as I have in the past,
Speaker 1: because I know what you're saying, and I don't really
Speaker 1: want to feel that way about Pride weekend, but I
Speaker 1: find that I often do like my maybe my expectations
Speaker 1: are so high. And also, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, because of World Pride, I think we had
Speaker 1: like an uncommonly good time because we had so many
Speaker 1: people there that um we're from, you know, everyone came
Speaker 1: up and it was not such an asset to get
Speaker 1: tickets to things like you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: also think maybe you shouldered a lot of that because
Speaker 1: it was so hard to get into stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: you know you were able to like provide that experience
Speaker 1: from people, and so you did did shoulder a lot
Speaker 1: of that and like, I know, like people are very
Speaker 1: grateful to you. I'm so grateful to you. And I
Speaker 1: also don't want you to feel some type of way
Speaker 1: about me because I came in from l A like
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just go with Bowen because I just
Speaker 1: want to go with you. And there I was sort
Speaker 1: of like seeing what it was, what it was doing
Speaker 1: well not to not to sound not to sound whatever,
Speaker 1: but like it was like I'm happy to provide that service.
Speaker 1: It's not a service. I'm happy to provide that for
Speaker 1: you because I I have reason to want you to
Speaker 1: be in the same places that I am. But it's when,
Speaker 1: but it's literally when it's like, oh, be be exploited
Speaker 1: by your furthest acquaintances, this pride. I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this? Who the funk am I
Speaker 1: letting in? I don't know this person anyway, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just I just um, it was just like things
Speaker 1: being like I don't know, I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: talked to our good friend recent guest of the pod
Speaker 1: Celestium about this um and and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: because they had witnessed me like being sort of like
Speaker 1: just they had witnessed me attending to a lot of wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful people coming up to me and being like, wow,
Speaker 1: you have Well, first of all, it's the thing that
Speaker 1: we talked about with a D right when like when
Speaker 1: it's like someone like Kyle Mooney is a Disney World.
Speaker 1: It's like a bunch of people been like come on guy,
Speaker 1: and then with like eighty it's like you have changed
Speaker 1: the way that I look at myself. And then I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh ship, that is a different kind of approach. And
Speaker 1: then like I was getting I'm sorry to say, and
Speaker 1: I know, like, first of all, funk off. I don't
Speaker 1: think so many of the people who are like Bone's
Speaker 1: complaining about celebrity rights, No, they're not. They're literally not
Speaker 1: this matter. This isn't no, they're they're here. They're fucking snitches,
Speaker 1: Like who listened to that there are They're not readers,
Speaker 1: they're fucking snitches is And I will literally fucking pop
Speaker 1: your jaw off if I see you. I'm I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm like getting I'm like honestly getting to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm okay with threatening violence. I'm like
Speaker 1: listening to a lot of we know you've always been okay.
Speaker 1: We we know that Boon Yang is bon Yang is
Speaker 1: violent whatever I anyway, Oh my god, this is so dark.
Speaker 1: This is purely okay. You can can you can everyone
Speaker 1: tell that my dope imine receptors are like no, you're
Speaker 1: not on the list, You're not allowed, like they're not
Speaker 1: taking any chemicals, and I, um, but fucking whatever. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm talking about a specific kind of thing where it's
Speaker 1: just a frequency and a volume of like interactions that
Speaker 1: I feel like as a human being, I have to
Speaker 1: honorwar when people are telling me like wow, like my
Speaker 1: my my self perception um as it relates to like
Speaker 1: my my queer Asian nous is like is this different?
Speaker 1: Is hitting a different level? And like I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to have that conversation. I saw multiple people this weekend
Speaker 1: where we've had conversations where it's like, let's talk about
Speaker 1: like what this experiences as like Asian people, which is
Speaker 1: no matter what's going to be heavy, but it's it's
Speaker 1: not like what you want to do when there's a
Speaker 1: drink in your hand watching a drag show, right exactly.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not that it's not a
Speaker 1: matter of what I want to be doing. It's just
Speaker 1: that like I kind of feel like or that I
Speaker 1: am o blind to do. It's something that you were
Speaker 1: like kind of like conversationally, like you got to engage
Speaker 1: in for a little bit, and over time that like
Speaker 1: accumulates to a level where it like I feel like
Speaker 1: on top of like everyone everyone fucking hitting me up
Speaker 1: for like getting me, getting themselves into things or like
Speaker 1: picking up things from me, I'm just like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait, I'm mentally I don't have the fortitude for this,
Speaker 1: and like this is the first time and I think
Speaker 1: like two years where I've I've been like fuck off, stop,
Speaker 1: go away, go away, get away from me. I can't
Speaker 1: be here. I can't I have to, Like I where
Speaker 1: I broke. I broke for the first time in years,
Speaker 1: and anyway, I'm sorry. Is this no, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: nothing to apologize. I honestly, this is why I kind
Speaker 1: of was like Okay, on that last night of Sunday,
Speaker 1: I was like, let me stick right here next to
Speaker 1: bone because I can kind of sense because I was
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm about to leave, like let me
Speaker 1: just say goodbye to the girls and leave. And I
Speaker 1: also like, I think I experience some version of what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, maybe about fifteen percent of it. And
Speaker 1: even I think it's a little overwhelming. I have to
Speaker 1: had people come up and say, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: it's so lovely, but but it's the nicest thing in
Speaker 1: the world. But but it is like you also want
Speaker 1: to I get that you also want to be able
Speaker 1: to like provide, like and I think that you do
Speaker 1: a great job. But I do I do understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying where it's like when you are meaningful to
Speaker 1: someone and they tell you that like it's um, when
Speaker 1: it's not happening just once, it's happening sort of again
Speaker 1: and again and again. And I also think it probably
Speaker 1: was just a different pride experience for you, because honestly,
Speaker 1: you that I saw someone someone sent me like um
Speaker 1: and not to literally do this to you in the
Speaker 1: in this on this episode, but someone sent me like
Speaker 1: tweet that was like bow and Yang just gave me
Speaker 1: propers So I guess that's pride, like and I thought
Speaker 1: that was funny. I laughed, but I was like, but
Speaker 1: you were sort of like an attraction at Pride at
Speaker 1: a certain point, and I like it felt like that
Speaker 1: people were coming up and I was just like, I think,
Speaker 1: I totally no, it's not dark because you make people
Speaker 1: proud and and you like and I know it's like,
Speaker 1: but I'm not saying I'm not saying I don't understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I fully understand what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: it's gotta be a little exhausting. It was different experience.
Speaker 1: I was happy to provide the poppers, but in that
Speaker 1: in that experience for that person, um, it was I
Speaker 1: I was like, like, Bowen gave me something which I'm
Speaker 1: not which is does not illustrate anything. It's just that
Speaker 1: like and whatever. I'm like, this fucking dude is hitting
Speaker 1: me up. I haven't heard from him in two months,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's like, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be in New York and maybe I can come a
Speaker 1: fire Island. I'm like, no, stop taking things from me,
Speaker 1: Stop asking me for things, stop stop procurement. I am
Speaker 1: not here for access to like this thing for you, Okay,
Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying that, like that is not
Speaker 1: my attitude about, you know, opening poppers on the dance form,
Speaker 1: like passing them around to people, but like for this
Speaker 1: person to be like that's pride Bow and Yange gave
Speaker 1: me popper something like I don't want I don't want that.
Speaker 1: Like you saying that I'm an attraction is weird to
Speaker 1: me because it's like like where are you, Like are
Speaker 1: you like what is what are you extracting from me?
Speaker 1: And I know again this sounds like I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of remember when eight. Okay, not to bring
Speaker 1: it back to eighty literally sister life hashtab, but remember
Speaker 1: when eight was like I've never related to anything more
Speaker 1: as it relates to like whatever being known. Then when
Speaker 1: Brittany was shaving her head, I'm like, I'm about to snap.
Speaker 1: Not at that level, obviously, I'm nowhere near dealing with
Speaker 1: what Brittany was has has dealt with anything before or
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I'm like, I'm like I need to
Speaker 1: reclaim something. I need to reclaim something. And literally I
Speaker 1: was walking home from from this thing on Sunday that
Speaker 1: I saw you at and I was telling myself, I
Speaker 1: was like, the only way I can give back to
Speaker 1: myself is by like this sounds so fucking soft and cloying,
Speaker 1: but the only way I can give back to myself
Speaker 1: is to like create and is to like make something
Speaker 1: for me. And that is what I'm going to do
Speaker 1: the rest of the summer, and I will probably pump
Speaker 1: the brakes and like going to these these social things
Speaker 1: being social at all. I have like been pretty bad
Speaker 1: about getting back to people's texts in the last few days,
Speaker 1: just being like not like someone being like, let's go
Speaker 1: to the beach. I'm like, no, we're not. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be perceived. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be I don't want to be seen. I'm sounding I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess like for the reader, it's like you guys
Speaker 1: are kind of extemporaneously listening to me sort of think
Speaker 1: through this in you know, in real time, Like I am,
Speaker 1: I have to re estab. I need to like triangulate.
Speaker 1: There we go, you have to I'm triangulating where I
Speaker 1: land and based on like what that with that extremity,
Speaker 1: with that extreme version of of what I kind of
Speaker 1: what stresses me out is and um, what my ideal
Speaker 1: is literally, Matt, I was, you know, I was I took.
Speaker 1: I took my half a pill on Sunday, twenty minutes later,
Speaker 1: as my role was starting, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna be here. I can't be here.
Speaker 1: And I said by to you. I was rolling by
Speaker 1: myself in my apartment, listening to fucking like you know,
Speaker 1: Tyler the Creator and Dojic. I was and like sucking
Speaker 1: the time and Taylor. I was like, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be my musical buffet. I'm gonna like fucking have a
Speaker 1: great time by myself in my apartment. And I had
Speaker 1: a blast. I'm sorry, I'm no. And I actually I
Speaker 1: said to you when when you said you were going
Speaker 1: to leave, I litterally, I think I literally said to you,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's gonna be a blasting your apartment.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're going to have such a better
Speaker 1: time in your apartment listening. I was like, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna be up to like six I wasn't, well, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I thought you were ted taking a full molly.
Speaker 1: So that's that's happened to me so many times where
Speaker 1: I'll like be like, yeah, sure, I'm gonna do this,
Speaker 1: And then I realized I look around where I am
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I don't like this and I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it, and I was like, why did
Speaker 1: I do it? And then I go home and I
Speaker 1: am up fully late, like listening to musically truly raging
Speaker 1: raw rang as I've been saying in my apartment by myself,
Speaker 1: and it's fine and it's great and I love it,
Speaker 1: and I just don't I think again, it's like an
Speaker 1: expectation thing, you know what I mean. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want you to worry about how it sounds to people,
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you had a Pride weekend that
Speaker 1: was very up and down. And I think that that
Speaker 1: is sort of speaking to something that everyone can understand,
Speaker 1: which is that there's a lot of expectation and a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot going on mentally, emotionally, socially during
Speaker 1: Pride weekend for everyone. And I think that, like like
Speaker 1: and so I think it's completely understandable what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I also had it on a little bit of a
Speaker 1: pedestal because I was coming back and I realized, like,
Speaker 1: there's really not a moment unless I'm like literally at
Speaker 1: something surrounded by three or four people. I really want
Speaker 1: to be with at that moment that I don't have
Speaker 1: an element of like stress, anxiety, fomo um or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's like intangible. It's like an intangible thing
Speaker 1: I can't really put my finger on where I stop at,
Speaker 1: Like at like it's like a maximum of joy for
Speaker 1: me at like eight percent. It's like in the moments,
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying myself. And then I think it's because,
Speaker 1: like I think social media plays into it. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that we've been through the pandemic plays into it.
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you know, like things
Speaker 1: have changed with the way you're right, you are perceived
Speaker 1: and the way you are looked at and approached, And
Speaker 1: I think that that's all really understandable. And I also
Speaker 1: think drugs drugs and like I don't know, like don't
Speaker 1: do them everybody. There's no like, there's no like blanket application,
Speaker 1: there's no like, I don't know, this is my really
Speaker 1: I normally don't really do them this and I kind
Speaker 1: of this The occasion for doing the drugs was pride,
Speaker 1: and that kind of is its own darkness for me,
Speaker 1: where I'm like, why did I feel that it was
Speaker 1: compulsory to do that you know anyway, But honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is what you were saying, But
Speaker 1: like the most fun moments on hand were this is
Speaker 1: so this is so cheesy, but I'm looking, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to my sister. We're with you. I was like laughing
Speaker 1: the most when I was with you. We were doing
Speaker 1: stupid fucking bits and like this is this is the
Speaker 1: difference this. Do you relate to this? Yes, that is
Speaker 1: what I wanted pride to be, yea. But in terms
Speaker 1: of the approach, my it's my favorite thing when people,
Speaker 1: when you and I are together and someone is able
Speaker 1: to to say, oh my god, I love the pod
Speaker 1: so much, And I'm like, that is different for me
Speaker 1: because that is like are like kind of like that
Speaker 1: is the quintestants of like us and like how we
Speaker 1: like to like talk to pe and like that is
Speaker 1: and that is like us like with no like I
Speaker 1: don't know, no weird. People relate to it in a
Speaker 1: in a way that feels like pure and people like
Speaker 1: that and people and people know how to approach us,
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a duo of sorry I roll,
Speaker 1: but it's like people know how to approach because we
Speaker 1: make it very clear on this show, like how we
Speaker 1: feel generally about things, and they know like, okay, like
Speaker 1: you know, Matt's sensitive to this, but insensitive to that.
Speaker 1: Let's you're the most respectful. For sure. There are one
Speaker 1: thousand percent the readers that we meet are the most
Speaker 1: respectful people. One and I will say to it's um,
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there there was the very the first
Speaker 1: night of Pride me being here anyway, was on Thursday
Speaker 1: night and we went to the Boom Boom Room. We
Speaker 1: went to that Madonna thing and it was it was
Speaker 1: so I was so disheartened the second we got there
Speaker 1: because it was so crowded. You guys, it was so crowded,
Speaker 1: it was so seen, and it was so much and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I'm here and
Speaker 1: already I'm like I'm confronting like what this is in
Speaker 1: terms of reality and what this was in terms of expectation,
Speaker 1: and I'm already like so tired and overwhelmed. And then
Speaker 1: literally I won't say who, but someone provided the best
Speaker 1: weed I have ever smoked in my It's a previous
Speaker 1: guest of the show. It's a previous guest of the
Speaker 1: show who is a damn legend he's a legend, legend,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and I have I'm like, whatever, we
Speaker 1: can't get into this, but I was like swept off
Speaker 1: my fucking feet. Anyways, Uh provided the best godsamn read
Speaker 1: I've ever had. And I'm telling you, I could have
Speaker 1: stood there and bopped my head and not talked to
Speaker 1: anyone for hours. Was like, I am totally fine. I'm
Speaker 1: looking around and it's like, literally, it's so funny because
Speaker 1: and I'll just say this, it's like you turn to
Speaker 1: your left and it's like land Spass and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are the blueprint of this party, like you are
Speaker 1: exactly who's here. And I'm just like, but I didn't
Speaker 1: feel stressed because this weed just like dropped me all
Speaker 1: the way in. And it's like you look across the
Speaker 1: room and there's Andy and Anderson by themselves talking and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so happy, that's real, Like there they are.
Speaker 1: And then you look over and it's like Adam Lambert's there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell? Then Madonna comes out
Speaker 1: and her fucking blue wig looking like Sydney Bristow from
Speaker 1: Alias Crawling on the Bar. I'm like, this is so funny,
Speaker 1: and it just was all. It all got to a
Speaker 1: point where maybe it was because this we really came through,
Speaker 1: but I was able to just chill for a sound.
Speaker 1: I was like chill because of the weed. Despite the
Speaker 1: I've never experienced the chaos of that room. It was
Speaker 1: not a good venue for it. And and we love,
Speaker 1: we love, we love ever playing and we love everybody
Speaker 1: who made that happen, and thank you. And it was
Speaker 1: it was an experience, but it was like so there,
Speaker 1: it was just every kind of stimulus you could possibly
Speaker 1: think of was there to like was there to like
Speaker 1: fucking press down on you? And it felt like being
Speaker 1: like twenty feet underwater, like like the pressure of it
Speaker 1: was just like what could have crushed you, well literally
Speaker 1: physically we were being crushed. And so we finally found
Speaker 1: like a little place to go. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of it, Like I'm telling you, it felt
Speaker 1: like being in hell, in like a in like a
Speaker 1: cool way. You know those parties that are like it's hell,
Speaker 1: Like the aesthetic is the pit of hell, but in
Speaker 1: a cool way. And it's like there's nothing to make
Speaker 1: you more afraid than the words no fear in red
Speaker 1: letters honking at you at the wall. It's like the
Speaker 1: words courage and no fear in all red letters, just
Speaker 1: like blare ring at you while this music played, and
Speaker 1: it's like truly red lights and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: just so it was so aggressive that I thought once
Speaker 1: I once I smoked, I was like, oh, I might
Speaker 1: have just made the biggest mistake of my life. But
Speaker 1: luckily it was such good weed. And I just had
Speaker 1: sat there and I was like, Okay, now I'm good,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I hope no one like looks
Speaker 1: over at me, and it's like, oh, that guy's not
Speaker 1: talking to anyone. I don't want to speak to anyone.
Speaker 1: And then I foundly found you and like sat down
Speaker 1: and we we were able to talk like my sister,
Speaker 1: but like I was like, I'm totally good now that
Speaker 1: I'm like completely like zoned in, like I'm okay. And
Speaker 1: I needed that so bad because I was I was panicking.
Speaker 1: It was I know, this is how you know that
Speaker 1: was the best weed was because cent the problem, that's
Speaker 1: the probability that it would have any other strain of
Speaker 1: weed would have throttled you the other direction. And this
Speaker 1: is the word You've even more anxious and even more
Speaker 1: like on edge and wow for the weed to like
Speaker 1: fucking relax, you actual change, your change, your mental gravitational
Speaker 1: pull is like incredible, and God bless, God bless the
Speaker 1: supplier that night, God bless and I and I mean,
Speaker 1: this nut is so good. One struck no no way
Speaker 1: O me. Oh look, I just I was enchanted by you.
Speaker 1: Whatever we kiss him, it is the man is hot.
Speaker 1: But okay, so here let's just say the people that
Speaker 1: want to know what did Madonna do, here's the answer.
Speaker 1: Mostly in auction. Most it was most she did. She
Speaker 1: started with Vogue, which is such a crazy move right now.
Speaker 1: She did Vogue, and then she did Hung Hung Up,
Speaker 1: and then she did the auction with Zachary Quinto, who
Speaker 1: dressed in a pussy bow blouse, and God bless the
Speaker 1: two of them raised a lot of money. I imagine,
Speaker 1: we're really, we're really proud. I kind of like couldn't
Speaker 1: get a spot, so I went to the back, and um,
Speaker 1: I was just like I'm good with this, and I
Speaker 1: think I did see Madonna sort of passed through through
Speaker 1: the crowd and it was just it was I mean,
Speaker 1: her kids were out. We just have to say, like
Speaker 1: she gave you everything that you want from Madonna, she
Speaker 1: was serving you and in all the ways you can imagine.
Speaker 1: It was just I was happy to be there once.
Speaker 1: I was happy to be there, but before that, it
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, this is I mean, it was packed. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so this is another thing. I realized that you're hearing,
Speaker 1: you're listening to the two of us. It's sort of
Speaker 1: like already like wax analytical and nostalgic about this, like
Speaker 1: you know, pride experience that was just specific to one city,
Speaker 1: and we hope that like you listening at home, in
Speaker 1: the car, wherever you are, whatever your relationship with Pride is,
Speaker 1: if you've never even participated in it, if you don't
Speaker 1: have access to like it's like you know, programming beyond
Speaker 1: like a parade on Sunday, Like it's it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're not really missing anything. We're
Speaker 1: reporting back to you, like the fun, cute little details,
Speaker 1: but overall, what we're reflecting back to you, we hope
Speaker 1: you understand. It's like an emotion which is, oh god,
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot, this is a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: it's okay to be a human being, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I think that That's when I never realized I'm more
Speaker 1: human than one of these weekends where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I feel crazy because I'm like, should I should?
Speaker 1: I want to stay out until six right right? And
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. That's maybe there was like and
Speaker 1: maybe I missed when I had the energy to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, but like I wasn't really doing
Speaker 1: this type of thing when I was and now I'm
Speaker 1: thirty one and I'm just like, by the way, this
Speaker 1: is the first weekend of my life where I ever
Speaker 1: was asked how old are you? I said thirty one
Speaker 1: and someone goes, that's okay, I was, and I laughed.
Speaker 1: I was like, I want you to know I still
Speaker 1: consider myself to be very young. And they were like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you are you are? And I was like, and I
Speaker 1: don't need you to reassure me. No, no, it was
Speaker 1: like it was yeah, and can we just say something.
Speaker 1: The twenty four year olds walking around these events, UM
Speaker 1: are are not in the are not in the sort
Speaker 1: of UM are not in the power dynamic they believe
Speaker 1: they are. I just want to say that, I just
Speaker 1: want to make that loud and clear. It's like you
Speaker 1: don't you of being twenty four, though I know it's
Speaker 1: part of being twenty four, but it's like it would
Speaker 1: just help if you had. And I think this is
Speaker 1: why we did not stay. I don't know whatever it's
Speaker 1: I had some awareness went back when I was that
Speaker 1: young that like I wasn't fucking I wasn't ship like
Speaker 1: I was I was. I was a fucking idiot, I
Speaker 1: was a clown. I think we didn't have good self
Speaker 1: esteem then. So I I think here's what I think.
Speaker 1: If you're twenty four and you're ready to stay outntil
Speaker 1: six and you fucking are feeling yourself, I wish that
Speaker 1: for you. I just wouldn't say to someone who says
Speaker 1: their thirty one that's okay. But also I do think
Speaker 1: the person that did it, because it did make me
Speaker 1: laugh very much a lot, and I I love it.
Speaker 1: What is your thirty one? And that's okay. Let's just
Speaker 1: let's just talk. Let's just put this out there. Lately,
Speaker 1: you Matt Rodgers have experienced weird age fuckory with thirty
Speaker 1: one and that's okay. And oh, Matt, are you didn't
Speaker 1: think I was left in? So? How do how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Well? I'll tell you what I did.
Speaker 1: Have readers finally get in my d M s and
Speaker 1: we're like the episode, we listened to the episode, and
Speaker 1: we're on it. We're making your Wiia page. Then one
Speaker 1: person said, I tried, but they say you don't have
Speaker 1: enough sourced articles, babe, And I'm like, okay, well I
Speaker 1: can't do anything about that. And again, this is not
Speaker 1: like bloating my ego. This isn't like helping me. But
Speaker 1: it's also it also is like very humbling in a
Speaker 1: way that I think is great. I was just like, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. And apparently there is one
Speaker 1: in process now, but it's like it's true, I don't
Speaker 1: have that much that much like media. Hopefully it'll change soon.
Speaker 1: And I will say, okay, so while you sort of
Speaker 1: while you sort of like talked about your product experience,
Speaker 1: I think that honestly, something happened to me last week
Speaker 1: that's sort of like numbed me out in a way
Speaker 1: for a pride where it was like I really didn't
Speaker 1: So the Q Force trailer came out and um, it
Speaker 1: was like so crazy the response it got on Twitter,
Speaker 1: because like it was so it's so funny because it's
Speaker 1: like a forty second trailer, and people were so like
Speaker 1: people who are on Twitter only, and I'm convinced don't
Speaker 1: live off of it, um and if they, if they do,
Speaker 1: it's probably very dark and sad. But came for this
Speaker 1: trailer so hard and it's just like I couldn't even
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is how stupid people are,
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna watch this forty second trailer that like
Speaker 1: Netflix put together for Pride Weekend, which you know it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit like you know, just my
Speaker 1: nature of what that is, like it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little yas queenish and I'm like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just it's never gonna hit in a
Speaker 1: trailer like for these people online, like these zoomers that
Speaker 1: needed it to be what they needed it to be.
Speaker 1: But it's just so funny the type of complaints I
Speaker 1: was getting. It was like, well, the type of complaint
Speaker 1: is all parritage ship, Like they said the same thing
Speaker 1: I was telling you this Like it was it was
Speaker 1: almost word for word, the same fucking quote tweeted stuff
Speaker 1: that was like when um Our Little Pride song came
Speaker 1: out for the finale in Vessel. We wrote, we wrote,
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, this is like so clearly um
Speaker 1: modeled after Girls Night Out by Charlie and like Holiday
Speaker 1: Bay Madonna, and like it's just it's not like it's
Speaker 1: it's not like a fucking like masterpiece. It's just a
Speaker 1: cute little song about like a little like about what
Speaker 1: lived in Pride experiences are, which is like everyone spins
Speaker 1: out and whatever and so, and then the quote tweets
Speaker 1: on it were this feels homophobics. Somehow this feels homophobics.
Speaker 1: Somehow this feels homophobics. Somehow this it was all the
Speaker 1: same stuff. I was like, okay, like we're not even
Speaker 1: like coming up with like original takes on this anymore.
Speaker 1: After the third or fourth quote tweet, it's just regurgitated
Speaker 1: fucking bollus mush. Okay, that's what this is. And it's
Speaker 1: just because it's just because we're in this like consumption
Speaker 1: mode now maybe um where it's like, okay, this isn't
Speaker 1: exactly what's being what I want reflected back to me,
Speaker 1: then let me immediately write it off as garbage and drivel.
Speaker 1: That's fine, They're allowed to do that. Um, it just
Speaker 1: seems like it now, but now it just seems just
Speaker 1: like it seems like this thing where it's like oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but like there is not any nuance beyond I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but I hate this right and it's just
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say is that it feels like
Speaker 1: something that is that that creates like a shame in them,
Speaker 1: I guess, and I honestly think it's like, well, let
Speaker 1: me just say this, and this is almost I hesitated
Speaker 1: if I even wanted to bring this up, but you
Speaker 1: were being vulnerable, so I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: something that happens, so I wanted to talk about it
Speaker 1: because even though even as the audience of this podcast, girls,
Speaker 1: I do consider, like you know, the readers of the
Speaker 1: pod like family, and like I do always want to
Speaker 1: be honest with myself on this show, and um, I'm
Speaker 1: also very aware that, like you know, we're you and
Speaker 1: I are getting more opportunities and we're lucky, and I'm
Speaker 1: so fucking excited for you and excited for myself. When
Speaker 1: the Q Force trailer came out and it got like
Speaker 1: this like bizarre reaction on Twitter from a few people
Speaker 1: that made it seem like it was a lot of
Speaker 1: people like like hating on it. Let me just make
Speaker 1: it very clear to anyone that that that might like
Speaker 1: have like commented on this or whatever in a negative way.
Speaker 1: You took nothing from me. I am so fucking psyched
Speaker 1: about Q Force. I know how funny it is, I
Speaker 1: know how good it is. I know exactly what it is,
Speaker 1: I know who it represents, I know who's involved in it.
Speaker 1: I'm so freaking excited to be a part of the
Speaker 1: cast and to have written on it, because yes, I
Speaker 1: was a big part of creating it as well as
Speaker 1: being on screen in it. So you're never going to
Speaker 1: take away how excited I am and how proud I
Speaker 1: am to be a part of it. Ever, I think
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. It is, if you give it a chance,
Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted to be. It's an incredibly diverse,
Speaker 1: dynamic show that represents all different facets of the queer community.
Speaker 1: The core four of it is Sean, Wanda, Psychs, Patti Harrison,
Speaker 1: and me, and then it's like other people in the
Speaker 1: cast play different roles and there's got an incredible supporting
Speaker 1: cast and guest cast that hasn't been announced yet. It's
Speaker 1: incredibly fucking gay as shit. I don't care at all.
Speaker 1: If you are someone who watches it and and like
Speaker 1: has a problem with my character saying something happened to
Speaker 1: his butt hole when he's turned on, you're really not
Speaker 1: gonna like it. When my character jokes about getting bred,
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what you think about it.
Speaker 1: I love it. If you have a problem with the
Speaker 1: fact that there are gay men out here and queer
Speaker 1: people out here talking about getting fucked like I have,
Speaker 1: I have to break it to you. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of goddamn horse and like, this is just gonna
Speaker 1: be what this character is. And I hope that you
Speaker 1: like it. It's not the whole fucking show, but I
Speaker 1: just hope that you give it a chance because it's
Speaker 1: so funny. And if you had any idea, if any
Speaker 1: of you had any idea, how difficult it is to
Speaker 1: get something queer made, how difficult it is to get
Speaker 1: any thing made, it all in general, but then how
Speaker 1: difficult it is to get anything queer made, you would
Speaker 1: have shut the funk up. And let me say something else.
Speaker 1: When you make something queer, it has to check so
Speaker 1: many more boxes. And when you make something from a
Speaker 1: marginalized perspective, it has to check so many more boxes
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what, if Entourage gets rebooted, no
Speaker 1: one's going to talk about the lack of diversity. But
Speaker 1: Sex in the City does, and everyone has something to
Speaker 1: say about it, because when women make something, when pocs
Speaker 1: makes something, when queer people make something, everyone has something
Speaker 1: to say. And it comes from I think, when it
Speaker 1: comes from our community. It comes from a real it's
Speaker 1: always no, but it's top down and then it's bottom
Speaker 1: up to were we're in a fucking like bear trap.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know what, I understand, like watching that
Speaker 1: trailer and think I'm not representative in that, and so
Speaker 1: I fucking hate it. And it's like worse for my
Speaker 1: community that it exists. And it didn't give it a
Speaker 1: fucking chance to be smarter than to judge something based
Speaker 1: on a forty second trailer made by Sorry but Netflix,
Speaker 1: give it a fucking chance to be the thing you
Speaker 1: wanted to be, because it is and it was truly
Speaker 1: made for you. And I just I'm sorry to get
Speaker 1: like upset about this. And I put at the top
Speaker 1: of my list and from the beginning and the start
Speaker 1: of my career when I was making no money. For years,
Speaker 1: all I ever wanted to do was make content and
Speaker 1: make comedy for people like me and in my community.
Speaker 1: And I've been so lucky to be able to be
Speaker 1: one of those people that when I log onto something
Speaker 1: that I'm proud of and I see, fuck this, this
Speaker 1: is homophobics somehow coming from what I know our UM
Speaker 1: queer Twitter accounts and being like this is the reason
Speaker 1: why people like UM, why why we have hate crimes
Speaker 1: against our community. Guess what, even if my voice is
Speaker 1: a little raised right now and it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: getting to me, I'm only fired up to keep going
Speaker 1: because I know what I make, and I know what
Speaker 1: you make, Boon Yang, and I know what people that
Speaker 1: came up with us make, and we're coming from a
Speaker 1: place of wanting to entertain and provide and represent the
Speaker 1: queer community. And if you don't like it, then keep
Speaker 1: sitting on the fucking couch. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: I don't need you. There is just something so unsophisticated
Speaker 1: and like unformed and like pure, like college freshman or
Speaker 1: aspiring college freshman to say this is setting the movement
Speaker 1: back when it comes to anything, when it comes to
Speaker 1: I hear this from Asian people, I hear this from
Speaker 1: queer people. I hear this from just just people, like
Speaker 1: not not even queer people, who are like, what Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang's doing is really setting gay people back. I'm like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, your your your your version of um, you know,
Speaker 1: your pseudo activism is that such a low frequency that
Speaker 1: no one's gonna fucking hear it. It doesn't register, babe,
Speaker 1: So don't even bother. Don't even fucking bother. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's like and I checked in
Speaker 1: with people that also worked on the show about it,
Speaker 1: and and like, you know, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I've been like in a little bit of
Speaker 1: denial about the fact that it bothered me because flat
Speaker 1: out and like, I'm not gonna get upset. But all
Speaker 1: I ever wanted to do was make the queer community
Speaker 1: proud and all. And that's all I ever wanted to do,
Speaker 1: was like like and and like so much of what
Speaker 1: I do was like I feel like explicitly comes from
Speaker 1: my queerness, and it's been from the beginning, like it
Speaker 1: makes me who I am. I genuinely feel like I
Speaker 1: only ever really found myself as a comedian when we
Speaker 1: started this podcast, and I was able to really key
Speaker 1: into who I was and came into who we were
Speaker 1: because it was us together and it was by accident,
Speaker 1: and I felt like it's it's been like it's been
Speaker 1: such a long road and so like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be proud of my success actually, and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: really proud of Bowing success and no one's gonna fucking
Speaker 1: do anything to take that away. So it's and it's
Speaker 1: like you and you can keep watching because it's gonna
Speaker 1: you're gonna see more of us. So how about that
Speaker 1: there is no developmental process. There's still no developmental process
Speaker 1: for queer people. Two land in a space where they
Speaker 1: are able to make comedy and and and try to
Speaker 1: like try to have every consideration and hold every consideration
Speaker 1: and take those into account while making something that makes
Speaker 1: it inevitable. Remember when b D said that, I've been
Speaker 1: I've been quoting that and like every single thing, I've
Speaker 1: been quoting this to myself. Where it's when when Bed
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's like when people say, like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: why hasn't there been an Asian person on SNL and
Speaker 1: forty five seasons? It's not because like there aren't eight
Speaker 1: funny Asian people out there. It's because there is no
Speaker 1: process of like making sure that this will happen no
Speaker 1: matter what, that that it will be inevitable for whatever,
Speaker 1: an Asian person to land on a show like SNL
Speaker 1: or for a queer person to make an animated show
Speaker 1: about spies like perfect you know, um or something that
Speaker 1: like won't elicit like fucking weird, unmoored outrage. Clearly it
Speaker 1: is un founded outrage because these people don't know why
Speaker 1: they're mad. They I mean, they don't know. What they're
Speaker 1: talking about is their complaints are factually inaccurate. And so
Speaker 1: it's this it's this thing where it's like it's the
Speaker 1: worst kind of emotion, whether it's guilt, fear, anger, love,
Speaker 1: the worst the worst versions of those things are the
Speaker 1: versions where you form them out of thin air, out
Speaker 1: of nothing. And that's what's and that's what is kind
Speaker 1: of happening a lot more now. UM. And I just
Speaker 1: want I just want people to like really like kind
Speaker 1: of like try to like scope out and take a
Speaker 1: holistic view of things and be like, oh wait, we're
Speaker 1: figuring this out as we go. We're making sure that
Speaker 1: this happens that there are better versions of this that
Speaker 1: we like, that this is a recursive thing where like
Speaker 1: people like come out with better things moving forward. We're
Speaker 1: just making this easier for the next person and the
Speaker 1: next group of people to make something even better for
Speaker 1: queer people as we go along, because that structure has
Speaker 1: not been built yet. Okay, That's that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's interesting is it's like, I
Speaker 1: think in our own ways, we are sort of a
Speaker 1: part of like or maybe like a direct like half
Speaker 1: like quarter generation away from the first like queer mainstream
Speaker 1: version of a lot of these things. And I genuinely
Speaker 1: think that, like it's like it's almost like we don't
Speaker 1: know how to celebrate ourselves or it's like a rocky
Speaker 1: road we've got We've gotten much better, We've gotten so
Speaker 1: much better, much better. Remember when Guy Brandon we used
Speaker 1: to say, like the only gay men who were celebrated
Speaker 1: are porn stars and dract queens. That is no longer true.
Speaker 1: That is no longer true. And I think Guy would
Speaker 1: even cop to that, right, right, And I think that
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, it's just it's interesting, and this
Speaker 1: is what I hope I hope that a lot of
Speaker 1: these accounts that are saying these things that would say
Speaker 1: something like that about your Pride sketch or any of
Speaker 1: the characters that you do on us and Now, or
Speaker 1: that would be commenting on Q for uce or something
Speaker 1: that I do out there based on like something like
Speaker 1: a hot dog or whatever. Um. It's just like I
Speaker 1: just hope that that's not reflective of like a young
Speaker 1: a queer generation who are like posts, who are like
Speaker 1: post celebrating clearness. I just it's it's like it's a
Speaker 1: rational fear that I have. We're not going to like
Speaker 1: broadly apply that to everybody. No, that's that, that's not
Speaker 1: what's happening. Like I'm I don't think someone. I hope not.
Speaker 1: You know, it just it just got weird for a
Speaker 1: second there, and it's you know, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this actually right before I got on, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I was watching All Stars six and we were all
Speaker 1: talking about it earlier, and we were all talking about
Speaker 1: it in the chat and I hadn't seen it yet,
Speaker 1: but you guys were like not loving and I watched
Speaker 1: it and I was like, wait, I think I love this.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm having fun watching it, like I
Speaker 1: loved Jara Sophia, I think a curious looking good at
Speaker 1: I think so many of the queens are looking so great, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just like I was happy to
Speaker 1: watch it, and I was happy to do it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, it sucks for these queens that
Speaker 1: they're being premiered on the serotonin dump weekend. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Everyone's unhappy. Everyone. Everyone's gonna be so
Speaker 1: unhappy for the next week as they finally catch up
Speaker 1: with like a download fucking paramount plass and like get
Speaker 1: to consume this. I'm like, I think that maybe my
Speaker 1: sisters in the chat earlier, like and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't deny your opinions, but I will say, like, continue
Speaker 1: to give it a shot because you know it's good.
Speaker 1: Although I do say I have some qualms about All
Speaker 1: Star Stix. If you want to sort of transition out
Speaker 1: of this moment, and we thank the readers for going
Speaker 1: on this right with us. Thank you, Thank you readers. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just like little things where I'm like some of
Speaker 1: the cast I'm like, okay, like, maybe we didn't need
Speaker 1: thirteen cast members if we're going to consider this person
Speaker 1: like an All Star, and that's not shade to them,
Speaker 1: it just is facts. Not everyone is an All Star. Like,
Speaker 1: if you appear on three episodes of your season like
Speaker 1: or one, you know you're probably not an All Star
Speaker 1: and so the steaks of watching you on the show
Speaker 1: are just not gonna be there. Um so and with
Speaker 1: thirteen queens, you know, on an all star season, you
Speaker 1: have to think that way, I think. And also it's
Speaker 1: a it's sort of getting to the point where like
Speaker 1: with the challenges, I feel like we're repeating ourselves. Like
Speaker 1: seeing another Denim runway, it's just like or like another
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I watched both and I was just like, okay,
Speaker 1: Like this is stuff we've literally done before. And so
Speaker 1: if we're just gonna if we're gonna be so drag
Speaker 1: and drop, not to make a pun, but I guess
Speaker 1: I did with the show, then let's like find new
Speaker 1: things to do on the runway and new challenges to do,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough to talk about drag race because we don't
Speaker 1: know on a decision level, like how much of this
Speaker 1: is like a icon CBS thing where they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's put All Star six on, you know, on
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus it is and uh, you know, and these
Speaker 1: poor queens like probably can't even vocalize how they feel
Speaker 1: about it in an honest way. And I just think,
Speaker 1: I just think like drag Race itself is going through
Speaker 1: a period where it is like adjusting, and I think,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't the show itself doesn't get too much credit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get enough credit for like evolving, like you know,
Speaker 1: like remember like you know, three or four seasons ago
Speaker 1: when a lot of the discussion was around like Rube
Speaker 1: being very exclusionary towards trans queens, and it's like now
Speaker 1: it's like you got Giggli, you got, you got, you got,
Speaker 1: like and even before that was like Gia and all this,
Speaker 1: and it was it was just like, oh no, Like
Speaker 1: it has not declared itself like we are Chap. It's
Speaker 1: not being it's not been terribly declarative about the ways
Speaker 1: it's changed. And yet it has, Yes, it is it
Speaker 1: is responsive to like the collective critique of it, which
Speaker 1: I think is very valid um. And so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think like I was just kind of like ribbing
Speaker 1: on drag Race on All Star six to like the
Speaker 1: thread being like oh God, like what is this like
Speaker 1: what is this talent? What what does happen? And then
Speaker 1: but then like also obviously finding the moments of like
Speaker 1: true like true like ah and greatness with like you know,
Speaker 1: Josphiel like shaking like her big, her big latex tits
Speaker 1: around and like this is actually this is the best
Speaker 1: of this is the best of what the show has
Speaker 1: to offer always, you know, and so like if there's
Speaker 1: value in launching it, of course, And I will say
Speaker 1: like in that second episode you haven't seen yet, incredible
Speaker 1: lip sync at the end, like true, And I mean
Speaker 1: like the show. Before I got on, I was actually
Speaker 1: really happy because I was beaming. I found myself beaming
Speaker 1: up at my television like like truly happy, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh great, And yeah, do I have
Speaker 1: a note for the whole thing that it's on Paramount
Speaker 1: Plus because do I think it really is a big
Speaker 1: fuck you to the bars? Yeah? I think it's a
Speaker 1: I think it's a major funk you to the bars
Speaker 1: who really could use this now of course, not for nothing,
Speaker 1: for nothing, and I know that like they're doing like
Speaker 1: you know, like when it actually lead debuts like the
Speaker 1: bars will do whatever, but to have it on streaming, Like,
Speaker 1: I understand the movement towards streaming, and nothing that we
Speaker 1: say or do was going to like stop that. And
Speaker 1: I also totally understand, you know, they want people to
Speaker 1: watch Paramount Plus and subscribe to Paramount Plus. I get it.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a shame that the communal
Speaker 1: experience that drag Race was built based on is not
Speaker 1: an inherent part of it anymore, because it still was
Speaker 1: even as people sort of like you know now now
Speaker 1: sort of um, you know, they accept drag Race as
Speaker 1: part of the real, true mainstream like Emmy winning repeated
Speaker 1: again and again and again culture, Like it's so like
Speaker 1: on straight people do consume it so much now and
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like this thing that like was on
Speaker 1: logo and there was commercials for Luban during it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's not that anymore. But I
Speaker 1: still think, like you have to acknowledge that like that
Speaker 1: experience of going out and watching it like are it's
Speaker 1: it's not not even just so important for the show.
Speaker 1: It's so important for the communities, and it's important for
Speaker 1: these like businesses. So it's the optimal experience of watching
Speaker 1: the show because towards the end of season thirteen, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: stuff was stuff was opening back up in New York
Speaker 1: as far as like an outdoor experience went um and
Speaker 1: uh you know you and I went to went to
Speaker 1: went to a viewing outdoors and the first time I
Speaker 1: went back, it was so funny. It was so the
Speaker 1: first time I went to a bar to watch season thirteen,
Speaker 1: it was so funny too, Like turn at the table
Speaker 1: next to me during a runway and be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're cheering for that queen that I don't care for.
Speaker 1: This is what This is why that communal experience is
Speaker 1: so important and funny because you're like, oh, I disagree
Speaker 1: with them and that's and that's great. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't know. I'm like, they do not have that,
Speaker 1: Like they don't have like the same standards that I do.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is why it's fun because you're
Speaker 1: you're able to like disagree in real time to be
Speaker 1: like and then everyone we day and like I just
Speaker 1: I mean it was that was like my first genuine
Speaker 1: moment of like euphoria in the pandemic of like, oh
Speaker 1: I'm with people again in this space that like is
Speaker 1: mostly queer people enjoying this, like whatever, like show that
Speaker 1: was kind of originally made for us, no matter how
Speaker 1: mainstreamed it's gotten. I'm like, this is fun and so
Speaker 1: like even they try to do that with uk Um
Speaker 1: when uh, like they would just play it the next
Speaker 1: day at night, and I was like, this is it
Speaker 1: kind of was nice, but like I agree with you,
Speaker 1: like it's it's truly a shame that like it didn't
Speaker 1: it did not that that that that conversion for Paramount
Speaker 1: Plus in terms of like getting users to like sign
Speaker 1: up for it is like prioritized over but of course
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's it's it's capitalism baby. Well, and
Speaker 1: I think going forward, like and I would I would
Speaker 1: suggest to all the readers, are like hope that all
Speaker 1: the readers would like create their own experience with it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I know I do
Speaker 1: know that the bars are doing this, like they will
Speaker 1: show the episode at a certain time, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, just like check in with your friends and
Speaker 1: um and you know the places around you that are
Speaker 1: doing that because it is fun. And like I have
Speaker 1: to disagree with my sisters. I think that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun goofy season. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a fun season. I'm just like, I just don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm like, oh God, I'm like what.
Speaker 1: I keep asking myself why which is which I guess
Speaker 1: is a compelling thing, and like why thirteen queens instead
Speaker 1: of ten? Why these queens from these seasons? Why that
Speaker 1: queen again from that from those seasons. I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: so many question marks, and that's what's throwing me off.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm distracted from like the pure quintestants of
Speaker 1: the show because there are so many random ass fucking things.
Speaker 1: That's all. Yes, And I would say here's here's what
Speaker 1: who's that? Here's what I would say in the second
Speaker 1: episode one if I would say the more random queens
Speaker 1: involved in the season, like turns it and and and so.
Speaker 1: I won't give spoilers, but it's it's like some of
Speaker 1: the queens. When I saw the list, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: so it is that thing of like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Asia O'Hara keeps saying no, or Ligne just can't handle
Speaker 1: coming back, or kim ch is just you know, you know,
Speaker 1: feels above it maybe or like whatever where I'm like
Speaker 1: this is the girls were ending up with. But I
Speaker 1: will say, you're reminded that just because of how you
Speaker 1: do want a drag race season has really no reflection
Speaker 1: or bearing on how you are as a queen. And
Speaker 1: I think it's cool to see them understand what the
Speaker 1: show is and then come back with like less of
Speaker 1: a insecurity or less of a notion of what they
Speaker 1: have to do, or less of uh, you know, block
Speaker 1: up and come in and have fun with it. Because
Speaker 1: another thing is it feels like because these girls all
Speaker 1: know what All Stars is and they kind of know,
Speaker 1: it's like fucked and like it's like you get voted
Speaker 1: out for like stupid reasons and there's so much fuckory.
Speaker 1: They all care a little bit less and so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit lighter in a way. That's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's a that's a really that's
Speaker 1: a good observation. I like that. I like, like I
Speaker 1: want to feel stressed during a regular season. During an
Speaker 1: All Star season, I kind of wanted to be like
Speaker 1: they get voted out and it's like got me out,
Speaker 1: you know, like sort of that energy like oh I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't win this silly game. You know just
Speaker 1: by the fact that there's real money and real stakes.
Speaker 1: No that is I think maybe the producers are very
Speaker 1: conscious of that fact that an All Star season is
Speaker 1: just going to be like a different species of animal,
Speaker 1: because it's like you're you're you know who these queens are,
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting. You're just seeing what the
Speaker 1: mixes and seeing how things play out. But again, the
Speaker 1: stakes aren't as crazy, whereas like, I mean with thirteen,
Speaker 1: I was like so with it. I was I was
Speaker 1: glued to the fucking screen the entire time because I was, yes,
Speaker 1: this is all new. And by the way, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of the thirteen girls were at Booming Room
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and I think I turned to you at
Speaker 1: one point I was like, wait, thirteen was like one
Speaker 1: of the more incredible seasons, like because I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like over there, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: got make I was like, it's got mcenny news and
Speaker 1: Simone over there and then and then we love and
Speaker 1: from twelve was I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I don't think like I think
Speaker 1: we've like filled that. We keep like like the show
Speaker 1: does a good job of filling the well again with
Speaker 1: like great reality characters and great drag queens where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I would love to see them on. It's not it's
Speaker 1: because because what's happening now with All Star six is
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people are like, oh, they've run
Speaker 1: out of great queens, and I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: That's not think that's true. That's not true in the
Speaker 1: casting of All Stars six, because there's some great great
Speaker 1: queens on six. Uh. And I'm also like there's plenty
Speaker 1: of like you know, there's plenty from the Reserve. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean from in the future, like even from season thirteen,
Speaker 1: like and and and Jen is the only queen from
Speaker 1: season twelve on. So it's like there's great queens from
Speaker 1: twelve who, by the way, remember that was a pandemic
Speaker 1: season and they did not really get their shine afterwards
Speaker 1: in terms of performing live. So there's great girls from
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen that are going to come on. By
Speaker 1: the way, I had a moment with Candy Muse, so
Speaker 1: I'm a mom I had. I had a moment with
Speaker 1: G and G and I really connected and like I
Speaker 1: like was like it was like my one moment of
Speaker 1: like being star struck all week I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, yeah, literally was there and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I was like Smane and
Speaker 1: it was like literally like g I have to tell
Speaker 1: you like you're so you're so wonderful and like I
Speaker 1: can tell your good energy and like, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: and anyway, superstar and I'm thinking about g G being
Speaker 1: on All Stars. I mean, come the total that's in
Speaker 1: our future. Um. Candy Muse is sitting in the v
Speaker 1: I P section and by the way, she was sort
Speaker 1: of like sour Plus in the V I P section,
Speaker 1: like doing doing that and I love I live for it.
Speaker 1: So she turns to me, looks me in the eyes
Speaker 1: and goes like this beckons me over and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't I'm in I'm in trouble. I think I
Speaker 1: might be in trouble here because I did the Grinder recaps.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I'm literally thinking in my head as
Speaker 1: she as she's as she's calling me over, She's like,
Speaker 1: was I like a bit too? Can the mus I
Speaker 1: don't think? So? I love Candy Muse. I think I
Speaker 1: was always like a Candy Muse fan, even though it
Speaker 1: was like an up and down Season four candy muse,
Speaker 1: like we can say objectively, I think I was always
Speaker 1: like pro candy and good to her. But I guess
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out. So she whispers in my ear,
Speaker 1: were you the one that did the Grinder recaps? I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, yes, that was me. She goes, I
Speaker 1: thought I'd recognized you, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I love you, and
Speaker 1: she lends down and gives me a kiss and goes,
Speaker 1: I love you too, baby, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: thank god. I was like that could have been a
Speaker 1: candy muse a moment. Like I was like, I hope
Speaker 1: she doesn't like it was all sent something that like
Speaker 1: I said, like maybe shady one time during her more
Speaker 1: off weeks, but like love, they know what it is.
Speaker 1: Um Kenny was also there are poppy juice and I I, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah and yes, and I was like I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, like I am too. I was like I
Speaker 1: respect Candy too much to like go up and like
Speaker 1: kind of like like kind of like harsh the vibe
Speaker 1: a little do the thing, and like we were technically
Speaker 1: co hosts the event of the function, but like I
Speaker 1: got a little follow I was like okay. So she
Speaker 1: like she like kind of saw me across the way
Speaker 1: and was like, we're doing the same job right now,
Speaker 1: this this one and I and I'm like respect respect
Speaker 1: we I I was always pro Candy, you know, even
Speaker 1: even even in the fucking like the Creature Challenge, the
Speaker 1: Animal Challenge with the fucking alien around her neck, but
Speaker 1: like the don I was living for. I was on
Speaker 1: the group chap like, no, I don't care what you
Speaker 1: guys say. I fucking love the look. I was loving
Speaker 1: every Candy look that came out every single week. I
Speaker 1: have been pro candy this whole time. And also here's
Speaker 1: the thing about Candy. Candy has it, but this is
Speaker 1: what Candy has it behind her eyes. Candy believes it,
Speaker 1: and so I believe it. Even when she came out
Speaker 1: and something that wasn't like perfect, and I said during
Speaker 1: my Reek have a bunch, I was like, she is
Speaker 1: wearing what she's wearing, but like, look at how she's
Speaker 1: selling it, Like you can tell her nothing. You can
Speaker 1: tell her nothing, and that's what I love. Like And
Speaker 1: even in that alien get up, everyone was like this
Speaker 1: is bad. This is one of the worst things ever.
Speaker 1: I'm like says I was like, and I will say
Speaker 1: again and again and again, sometimes things that are bad
Speaker 1: are the best things. That's camp, that's called that's reveling
Speaker 1: in bad taste. To come on. Also the fact that
Speaker 1: just Candy was very much the show a lot of
Speaker 1: this season music the producer muse it is her name.
Speaker 1: I we understand that simone want the soft drink challenge,
Speaker 1: yea sweet tooth. But Candy, I mean, what's the case specials?
Speaker 1: These special glanced to the side, glanced back at camera.
Speaker 1: I con without Jim one of the honestly one of
Speaker 1: the smarter commercials. And also like something that like people
Speaker 1: like people that are the inherent audience at home are
Speaker 1: going to be laughing at you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like like truly like watch that Oh my god, were
Speaker 1: watching an episode together and cackling at home, being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so stupid and funny, like
Speaker 1: Candyusa Cacalusa, Um, oh my god, you know what. Sorry
Speaker 1: not to fully swerve the other direction, but um, speaking
Speaker 1: of stupid like whatever, I just I have not really
Speaker 1: reckoned with the idea that I have been like a
Speaker 1: conan fucking freak since day one and Conan ending like
Speaker 1: on the perfect note. On the perfect note, did you
Speaker 1: watch Did you watch His Little Fair? Well? I did not,
Speaker 1: just because I've been swept up but you lately, But yeah,
Speaker 1: you should. You specifically should watch it because he's just
Speaker 1: like all it is is him thinking people and thinking
Speaker 1: that people have stood by him all these years, and
Speaker 1: at one point he's like thinking like Lisa Kudrou And
Speaker 1: then there's a whole segment where he and like Lisa
Speaker 1: like go to like this fucking like sidebar at Largo
Speaker 1: where they met for the first time in an improv class,
Speaker 1: and that was really they both recognized they both like
Speaker 1: they were so young, they were like in their twenties,
Speaker 1: like both twenty two, like recognizing each other as like
Speaker 1: that person is funny. I don't know, it's not to
Speaker 1: be cheese, but like I remember exactly where I was.
Speaker 1: I'm not even with you when like he did like
Speaker 1: the whole like synesism is my least favorite quality and
Speaker 1: all you have to do is work hard to be
Speaker 1: kind to people and amazing things. What happened? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm crying. It's I love Conan so much. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. This is this is like the pure
Speaker 1: surge this is this is the drugs by the way,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, I mean he I know, I
Speaker 1: know that, I know that's a legend. He's a legend,
Speaker 1: like and it means something to you, And I was
Speaker 1: I was really happy that on that episode with Nikki
Speaker 1: you were able to externalize that, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you haven't really talked about on the podcast. No and
Speaker 1: like no, but like Roger, I'm calling you rog l
Speaker 1: o L like Josh Stripe does. But like every night
Speaker 1: watch every guy in middle school in high school, like
Speaker 1: I would stay up to watch and like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and so I know, like work hard and
Speaker 1: be kind of people, is like on every fucking like
Speaker 1: basic like withered, like the distressed wood poster in the world.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, like that's been like that's
Speaker 1: like that's like such a perfect distillation of like who
Speaker 1: he is, how he conducts himself. But then the way
Speaker 1: he ended this one, um, this TBS run was the
Speaker 1: last thing he says, is my whole life, my whole
Speaker 1: career has been about finding that sweet intersection of spart
Speaker 1: and stupid. He's like, that's what I spent my whole
Speaker 1: life chasing. Is that like that little that little like
Speaker 1: tangential point of smart and stupid, and like that is
Speaker 1: exactly what Conan is, right, like every cone and bit
Speaker 1: is perfectly stupid, perfectly smart. I immediately me, boonyng, I
Speaker 1: immediately thought of you. I thought of you, and study.
Speaker 1: I thought of you and students like those are the
Speaker 1: people that I know in my life who do that
Speaker 1: the best. And then and then he's says, as I say,
Speaker 1: I thought of you two. He says, um um, so
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can do what you love
Speaker 1: with the people you love, that's the closest thing to
Speaker 1: heaven on earth. And I was just that I thought
Speaker 1: of you guys, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this man is my hero. He's been my hero all along,
Speaker 1: and he like is the reason why I've like stuck
Speaker 1: with the people that I love is because I knew,
Speaker 1: like that was like the sauce, Like that's like what
Speaker 1: like that's like what everyone wants and like I'm so
Speaker 1: lucky to have that. And I'm sorry, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm like literally sobbing over Conan. O'Brien l o L
Speaker 1: who I love you, and you know I feel the
Speaker 1: same way, and I just uh and honestly that is
Speaker 1: emotional because it's like he has been such a constant
Speaker 1: for so many people. And I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think in the Late Night conversation he does get
Speaker 1: a little bit lost because I think in terms of
Speaker 1: whenever when everyone talks about like Late Night legends, it
Speaker 1: feels like only only like comedians will talk about Conan.
Speaker 1: I think maybe because you know, it got a little
Speaker 1: weird there with like his his representation in Late Night
Speaker 1: with the Tonight Show of it all. But that man
Speaker 1: is and he is a singular icon, and I mean,
Speaker 1: like talk about one of the best interviewers. I mean
Speaker 1: also you'll hear like many many celebrities coming out now
Speaker 1: are notable people that have been out, they will They're
Speaker 1: all coming out of the woodwork right now saying that
Speaker 1: my favorite interview was the one I did with Conan O'Brien,
Speaker 1: or I never felt taken care of communically like I
Speaker 1: did with Conan O'Brien. I never felt like I could
Speaker 1: actually go out there and be do a real bit
Speaker 1: like or or Honestly, Conan O'Brien, like some interviews that
Speaker 1: he did like made people's careers in ways. I mean
Speaker 1: Aubredy Plaza like on tonor O'Brien is like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a comedic touchstone for some people, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he made people feel like they're
Speaker 1: funniest self and that is a skill and that is
Speaker 1: a talent, that is a that is a gift and
Speaker 1: to to in order to those interviews, I was like,
Speaker 1: Oh that guy bow like wow, and like it was
Speaker 1: like pure like Conan like setting him up for like
Speaker 1: to shine. I'm sorry, no, I mean I think I
Speaker 1: guess very real. You did not comeing off at all.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this this is someone who
Speaker 1: means something just so many and means some something to
Speaker 1: you and so like that's a part of this podcast, babe.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you like like letting letting everyone
Speaker 1: know that Conan Conan is one of my culture is
Speaker 1: like moments that made me say cultures for me one
Speaker 1: thousand percent down like Conan like fucking shaped like the
Speaker 1: way I related to comedy because I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, who is that writer. That's Miriam Toland. That's fine.
Speaker 1: I was like I was like getting granular about this
Speaker 1: about comedy and about how comedy is made like that
Speaker 1: is huge, Like I was never curious about it until Conan.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm crying. Oh my god, I'm crying. Um
Speaker 1: you know what's funny too, Like the person that makes
Speaker 1: me cry obviously Kelly and one of one of I
Speaker 1: one of my favorite cod ever did earlier in her
Speaker 1: career was when she was on Conan and she sat
Speaker 1: down on the chair and she turned to the audience
Speaker 1: and she goes, this is my favorite show, you guys,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I love her because I believe it.
Speaker 1: And then they had an interview that was so fun
Speaker 1: and good and I could just tell she felt comfortable
Speaker 1: and like this one, I was watching everything she ever did,
Speaker 1: like downloading it truly like a little fact, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I need to download everything on my computer.
Speaker 1: But I remember her interview with him like made me
Speaker 1: so happy. I think I watched it thousands of times,
Speaker 1: but I get it because he made people feel good.
Speaker 1: He made you feel good, and I honestly like to
Speaker 1: see him really really get his flowers in this last week,
Speaker 1: like um, as people like say goodbye to the show,
Speaker 1: or as it is now anyway, or him as he's
Speaker 1: been on television pretty much our entire developmental life, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was really special, was
Speaker 1: really special. It was very cool and um oh my god,
Speaker 1: of course I'm but intersection of Martin stupid like that
Speaker 1: is like, oh that's like that, that is like perfect.
Speaker 1: That is like every anytime I laugh and something you say,
Speaker 1: it's because you know how you're being so smart about
Speaker 1: how stupid you're being that. I know how to sick her.
Speaker 1: I always know. And that's why I said, my sister
Speaker 1: needs me in a vulnerable moments. I'll just stay right here, sisters,
Speaker 1: my sister. We could sit here and we could actually
Speaker 1: like do a follow up on our Brittany episode and
Speaker 1: fucking say like say something about that, or we could
Speaker 1: start I don't think so honey, because mine has to
Speaker 1: do with that. Let's just I think the I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey will sort of jump start the conversation.
Speaker 1: So I am actually very happy with that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: that means that we um on this episode everyone readers.
Speaker 1: We are moving into I don't Think some one right now,
Speaker 1: which is our one minute segment where we take something
Speaker 1: in the pop culture and we just, you know, we
Speaker 1: let it know the way we feel about it currently
Speaker 1: and sort of there's been a lot of I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey energy in this episode, and you know
Speaker 1: you can count on that when the sister and I
Speaker 1: get together after a harsh, long, hard weekend. Um, but
Speaker 1: I have something to say about about this, yeah, I,
Speaker 1: and I would really trust I. I want your take
Speaker 1: on this more than anybody's. I really do. So this
Speaker 1: is Mount Rodgers is. I don't think so, honey, And
Speaker 1: as time starts now, I don't think so honey, Jamie
Speaker 1: Lynn spears, you need to shut the funk up. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you have to say, because where where
Speaker 1: the funk have you been? If you are in her
Speaker 1: life just as her sister, which you say you are now,
Speaker 1: like I'm not part of her team, I just part
Speaker 1: of her life as her sister, and I want what's
Speaker 1: best for Brittany, Then what where the funk have you been?
Speaker 1: Because if she's now saying that she's basically lived as
Speaker 1: like what she describes as like a slave, basically in
Speaker 1: a situation she compares to sex trafficking, and you're in
Speaker 1: it just for your sister, then where a fuck have
Speaker 1: you been? I don't trust you at all at all?
Speaker 1: And I don't trust the entire family, and noticed that
Speaker 1: Brittany said my entire family did nothing. She didn't leave
Speaker 1: you out of it. And last I checked, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have another sister, and you publicly are someone that we
Speaker 1: associate with her and you're lucky for that. So I
Speaker 1: don't trust you at all. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And you need to shut up unless you have something
Speaker 1: real to say. That's what I have to say about that,
Speaker 1: because hearing what Britney Spears had to say for herself
Speaker 1: broke my heart in half and in half again. And
Speaker 1: it's just so fucked up that this person has been
Speaker 1: so afraid and has felt so like closeted and restricted
Speaker 1: and tamped down that she had to publicly get on
Speaker 1: on her Instagram with what I assume had to be
Speaker 1: like at least a metaphorical gun to her fucking head
Speaker 1: to say that she's the happiest she's ever been. And
Speaker 1: now the second she gets some freedom, she says that
Speaker 1: she cries every day, that she feels like she's so angry.
Speaker 1: It's insane that she is an I U d that
Speaker 1: she won't she won't take out of her body because
Speaker 1: she's not allowed to because of her conservatorship. Where the
Speaker 1: funk have you been as her sister, as someone who
Speaker 1: you claim is only involved in her life and a
Speaker 1: sisterly capacity. That's not how sisterhood works. That that that
Speaker 1: that that only when someone steps up and says how
Speaker 1: much pain therein? Can you also speak to that pain.
Speaker 1: It's your job. It's your job to be there for her.
Speaker 1: If that's what you said you're there for, where the
Speaker 1: funk have you been? I don't trust to screw at all.
Speaker 1: So clear about it being her entire family, she like
Speaker 1: that that that that whole statement was so thorough that
Speaker 1: she it is it is no mistake that she said,
Speaker 1: my entire family has has should should take full responsibility
Speaker 1: for or they have they have inflicted this upon her.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: the way that you sort of consumed the story, but
Speaker 1: like I read the text of the statement the day
Speaker 1: that it came out, and I was just like, holy
Speaker 1: sh it, and then did not know that the audio
Speaker 1: was available, And so then I looked at the next
Speaker 1: day and I was like a true like my blood
Speaker 1: went cold. I was like, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean it's obviously one who has been abused for years.
Speaker 1: The lithium thing is the most but I mean, besides
Speaker 1: the I d besides, like Jamie spears, overall, I'm like
Speaker 1: the lithium thing because she refused to like do a
Speaker 1: dance move is fucking crazy. Uh. And first of all,
Speaker 1: it's like, it's so funny to assume that anyone in
Speaker 1: that room is going to know better about like what
Speaker 1: dance moved to do than her. That her punishment for
Speaker 1: a disagreement or a difference opinion is that she gets
Speaker 1: put on lithium, which could have and I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe did fuck her up forever. Like, this is so
Speaker 1: fucked up. You've got someone begging for their life and
Speaker 1: there's still a conversation about whether or not something's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We need to seriously, this is one of those moments
Speaker 1: where as a society we need to fucking zoom out,
Speaker 1: because if you zoom out for a second, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: It is a human rights issue. It's it's it's and
Speaker 1: and if there's conservatorships out there that are this abusive,
Speaker 1: what she says that there are, and I believe that
Speaker 1: the people involved in them and that are victims of
Speaker 1: them do not have a platform like this. Then I
Speaker 1: feel really fucking embarrassed and ashamed that we have a
Speaker 1: legal system that can't do anything about this. Like it's
Speaker 1: just this is just crazy because I care a lot,
Speaker 1: this is I care a lot. It's like this whole
Speaker 1: system of conservators ships is is only designed to exploit people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and look, I'm doing my I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: based on Jamie Lynn spears, because I don't know something
Speaker 1: just like about her using her sisterhood with her or
Speaker 1: as like and you could never understand, so back off.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, girl, where have you been? Where have
Speaker 1: you been? We can't understand it on some level, on
Speaker 1: a deep ish level, because we've heard firsthand from Brittany.
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you talking about? We don't understand
Speaker 1: Brittany has Brittany has related none of that to you,
Speaker 1: except for say, except by saying my family has fucking
Speaker 1: destroyed me. That is the latest possible expression of her
Speaker 1: relationship to you as a sister. Right, And she was
Speaker 1: also pretty and this it was a pretty long statement
Speaker 1: and she was pretty specific. I'm pretty sure if she
Speaker 1: really wanted to exonerate you, she may have and also
Speaker 1: not for nothing. But when the most when the most
Speaker 1: compassionate statement of the weakest from Christina Aguilera, It's like,
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on? Like I don't trust
Speaker 1: this family at all? Obviously. Anyone that listens to that
Speaker 1: statement or read the statement, or is invested in this
Speaker 1: story at all knows it's messed up. It's just crazy
Speaker 1: to me that I'm watching the news cover and there's
Speaker 1: still like a discussion about what's going to happen because
Speaker 1: of this legal system. You have someone begging for their life,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, well I don't understand them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't fully have the best
Speaker 1: legal understanding of this obviously, but like the statement is
Speaker 1: so explosive that like the judge has to at least
Speaker 1: like push for some investigative, like close investigative effort here
Speaker 1: to make sure that like to see to see it
Speaker 1: to verify these claims. And then from there it's like,
Speaker 1: no fucking way do you like side with the family?
Speaker 1: There's no I mean also, like just the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter being that he makes money off of her works,
Speaker 1: she works, and then makes money that they that goes
Speaker 1: in their bank account based on her efforts and her
Speaker 1: image and her brands, and then they were able to
Speaker 1: make decisions for her. It doesn't make sense. Jamie's a
Speaker 1: fucking deadbe who like couldn't fucking hack. It is like
Speaker 1: some like I don't know what even he did, Like
Speaker 1: I don't from the documentary like what he's she was
Speaker 1: just trying to like do some grift somewhere and then
Speaker 1: he came back as soon as Brittey's career was popping
Speaker 1: off and the night it's like that is it's so pathetic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait did you watch Wendy and I
Speaker 1: say that clipp with Wendy Williams, right, I just heard
Speaker 1: her talking about this, the whole situation. And then she goes,
Speaker 1: shame on you, Jamie, Jamie, and Lynn spears shame on you.
Speaker 1: She goes death to them all and only death to
Speaker 1: all of them. She was the only death and no, no,
Speaker 1: and then the audience is like oh and then and
Speaker 1: then wait do you make she like Wendy realizes and
Speaker 1: that splits like and then she's gone too far and
Speaker 1: then she makes a face like oh, like she's like yeah,
Speaker 1: I said that, and there's like yeah, that's at to
Speaker 1: them all. Title of that well, it's very someone someone
Speaker 1: on Twitter pointing this out and then had lost cultures.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's very Aaron Jackson energy on last culture
Speaker 1: dark dark killed them all. I did see them. I
Speaker 1: did see this tag and I didn't watch. You have
Speaker 1: to you have to watch it now. Hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: sending you the link you have. I want to get
Speaker 1: your real time reaction. Okay, okay, okay, I'm watching rehab
Speaker 1: that her father forced her into. Was a rehab where
Speaker 1: they knew the paparazzi was there every day. How dare you?
Speaker 1: Mr Spears? You had me fooled? And you too, Mrs Spears?
Speaker 1: Death to all of them? What? What? To all of them? That?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Honestly, thank you that's the title of the
Speaker 1: death exclamation point all of the period. Honestly. That the
Speaker 1: only levity we need in the whole situation. Call for
Speaker 1: Jamie and lind Spears to be killed. That is why
Speaker 1: Wendy will always be number one. She can't do that.
Speaker 1: And then just look at the audience like y'all know
Speaker 1: I'm playing, but also like not really, how dare you? Mr? Spears?
Speaker 1: And you too, Mrs spears death. So that really is
Speaker 1: Aaron My god, I killed them all. One is crying again,
Speaker 1: but this time for Joy, this time for Joy. But
Speaker 1: I just I would feel remiss if we didn't revisit
Speaker 1: our our Brittney episode with this, because because honestly, when
Speaker 1: she came out and said the documentary really made me
Speaker 1: sad and I wish I every almost stopped talking about me.
Speaker 1: I almost felt badly about doing that episode because I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe we are talking about someone that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know what the situation is.
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't speak to it. But no, you know what,
Speaker 1: sometimes Spade is a full fucking spade. The woman is
Speaker 1: like like like indentured. It's crazy. I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: I I can only like follow the story as it
Speaker 1: keeps developing because it's just like if I spend too
Speaker 1: much time thinking about like what her like life has been,
Speaker 1: I just I can't. It would just destroy me. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. It's just which is which is which
Speaker 1: is not? Which is not my way of like ignoring
Speaker 1: the story obviously, it's just like this is so um.
Speaker 1: This is one of the great tragedies of show business.
Speaker 1: I think one of the and as far as like
Speaker 1: an individual story goes, like this is this is among
Speaker 1: the most tragic stories of like of like a performer,
Speaker 1: someone who like all they wanted to do is entertained
Speaker 1: being brought down so low that like we as a
Speaker 1: society have to like think about how we have thought
Speaker 1: about them over the years, how um, what we can
Speaker 1: do to help, Like it's it's it's truly I were works.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone understands that we are living
Speaker 1: that we were. We're watching something play out that is
Speaker 1: like fucking that is like really really like a huge story.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything new to me. It feels it
Speaker 1: feels like the same kind of cultural conversation we should
Speaker 1: be having when we were talking about about like you know,
Speaker 1: like fucking I don't know anything having to do with
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. You know, It's like this is like this
Speaker 1: is something like that has like such a such a
Speaker 1: sadness to it that we are that we have to
Speaker 1: confront um what that means in or like you know,
Speaker 1: celebrity media diets. Anyway, Absolutely, I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was surreal to here and obviously hashtag free Brittany as always,
Speaker 1: and I will say in game show last week. Um, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, if everyone, if anyone, if anyone came
Speaker 1: out to game show last week and is coming this Friday.
Speaker 1: It's been so exciting to perform again. But the boy's
Speaker 1: lips sank too stronger by Brittany, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: this woman hasn't given us so fucking much, like I mean,
Speaker 1: she's just that song is just so rousing, and like
Speaker 1: I was just there's just so many millions of people
Speaker 1: across the world that support her and want her to
Speaker 1: live a free life. Like it's just anyway, Um, do
Speaker 1: you have something for I don't think so, honey. This
Speaker 1: week I do. I do. Well, that's good to hear. Um,
Speaker 1: So everyone this on the episode death to them, all
Speaker 1: all of them, to all of them. That's what it is,
Speaker 1: death all of them. This is this, we laughly cried,
Speaker 1: this is bone Yanks never nothing. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Ice at parties? Why are you always running out? Why
Speaker 1: is it always bring ice? Oh my god, we're out
Speaker 1: of ice, bring ice, and yet and yet we all
Speaker 1: it's it is a truth. University Universally acknowledged that if
Speaker 1: you buy ice, no matter how much I see buy
Speaker 1: for a party, no matter what size, you're gonna run
Speaker 1: out of it. What is going on there? What is
Speaker 1: the witchcraft that is happening? Was it Agatha all along?
Speaker 1: Probably because the ice keeps disappearing? And I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I bought five bags of ice from the grocery store
Speaker 1: to make sure that all of my guests drinks this
Speaker 1: weekend at my house party were cooled and chilled to
Speaker 1: their satisfaction. And no, and still to no avail, even
Speaker 1: with an hour left for the party to go. My
Speaker 1: guests had to mix drinks with no ice in them,
Speaker 1: and I and I wept for their experience because I'm
Speaker 1: a better host than that, and ice, you will not
Speaker 1: make me a fool of a host. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: Why does ice always parties? It's because, well, I first
Speaker 1: of all, there's many elements famously melts, and so many
Speaker 1: you know, it's not even that, it's not even that
Speaker 1: it melts. It's that no matter how many it goes away,
Speaker 1: it goes away. I know, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: So so listen, when when so many people want to drink,
Speaker 1: they're gonna want ice for that, and so you'd say,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a bunch of people at this party,
Speaker 1: and everyone wants a drink, even if it's not alcoholic.
Speaker 1: You're needing, gonna know what drink even more even more
Speaker 1: everyone all around, especially especially on a hot day like
Speaker 1: that day. And I will say this, I've never I
Speaker 1: love the city of New York. I love the city
Speaker 1: of New York. I have never been more sure than
Speaker 1: I made the right decision. And this is boring, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I came back to l A because
Speaker 1: I have to do a job this week. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where I live, and fucking thank god. The
Speaker 1: heat is bad, humidity is bad, it is dark, it
Speaker 1: is dark sided. And right now that's true. We pray
Speaker 1: Forrest right now, which is going through an insane heat wave.
Speaker 1: My hands and more walked to remember, pray to be only.
Speaker 1: I will say this to be on the as I
Speaker 1: know now you're my only. I would say that one
Speaker 1: of the best songs of all time, one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful women of all time, one of the great films.
Speaker 1: You talking about how stress you are, like sort of
Speaker 1: getting people on list for parties and getting tickets for
Speaker 1: parties full on hosted, like a big party at your apartment.
Speaker 1: Didn't too much. You did too much. And so you
Speaker 1: know what bowen boundaries boundaries for next time. I said,
Speaker 1: next year, maybe you don't even do pride, take yourself
Speaker 1: on a vacation. I'll go with you. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: doing that. I'm like, I'm talking to like people who
Speaker 1: like have just got on trips, like queer people who
Speaker 1: are like, oh no, I just I went I went away.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, you did the right thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's no there's no Folmo, if you're on vacation,
Speaker 1: if you're like on a fucking beaches really culture number
Speaker 1: one hundred and three, there's no if you're on a
Speaker 1: vacation and you're like beach, it's true. Absolutely, So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing next year. And anyway, I just
Speaker 1: thank you readers for listening to this whole episode. We
Speaker 1: Matt and I were working through things in real time.
Speaker 1: Our emotions are are little postmortem, as they call it.
Speaker 1: About pride, I cried about you know, a straight white
Speaker 1: man who has happened to be very influential to to
Speaker 1: my life. And some of them are good. Some of
Speaker 1: them are good. Conan is one of the best ones.
Speaker 1: I gotta say Conan is one of the best ones. UM.
Speaker 1: We talked about Brittany, we talked about drag Race, we
Speaker 1: talked about what we what you said we would talk
Speaker 1: about actually was the new Jojo Cat album and we
Speaker 1: did not talk about that. But quick thoughts. Quick thoughts
Speaker 1: is okay, just in my thoughts in a nutshell. Doja,
Speaker 1: I think with this album is officially like she's going
Speaker 1: for Rihanna status. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: she's going to be like occupying that niche that Rihanna occupied,
Speaker 1: which is I will come out with hits an album
Speaker 1: wall to wall of pop hits like every year. Like
Speaker 1: I do think that Doja like is feeling herself right
Speaker 1: now where it's like that last album had all bangers.
Speaker 1: This album has album as all bangers, and we will
Speaker 1: be seeing her live performances on every UM Music show
Speaker 1: because you know she can deliver that. I think Doja
Speaker 1: is there for ubiquity and I think that, like wal
Speaker 1: to Wall, this is great. I think she is the
Speaker 1: maybe like in the in one of the premier pop
Speaker 1: girls right now, and I love her problematic. She is
Speaker 1: she's kind of like creating the new a new pop
Speaker 1: persona of like we know her to be chaotic, but
Speaker 1: someone who is like and this is maybe similar to
Speaker 1: be on it, like, I don't fucking I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck, I don't care, uncancellable. You say I'm canceled,
Speaker 1: I say I'm not. And so um there's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think this is a very I mean, this
Speaker 1: is an album where she where I think the statement
Speaker 1: is I can do it all because I think hot Pink,
Speaker 1: her last like full like Studio album released was like
Speaker 1: this is Me, like giving you Dr Luke like bops,
Speaker 1: and and this time she I think he's only on three.
Speaker 1: He's only on the three the first three singles, Um,
Speaker 1: he's only on kiss Me More and need to Know
Speaker 1: and that one with the Weekend If I don't know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called. You're right, You're right. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: But the rest of the album, which I think and
Speaker 1: I think there's some great fucking songs on it into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't do drugs. Love to Dream is so beautiful,
Speaker 1: Love to Dreaming, gorgeous song, sound good, No, like She's
Speaker 1: here to stay and like you know, like we can
Speaker 1: all I think, but I think this is what we
Speaker 1: need to come to as like as a community and
Speaker 1: as a culture. Like it's okay to say she is
Speaker 1: fucking nuts and that like her past is like very
Speaker 1: checkered and questionable. That is not like that is not
Speaker 1: that is not like a contentious point. That is not
Speaker 1: that is a moot point in fact, as they call it,
Speaker 1: like it is it is part of her like persona
Speaker 1: now that she is like all over the damn place,
Speaker 1: and like that is maybe like the value, that's the appeal,
Speaker 1: that's whatever, but like the work stands for itself in
Speaker 1: a way, like the work is good. Um. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: also think this is an interesting conversation that we might
Speaker 1: need to unpack later on. But like the new, the
Speaker 1: New Tyler the Creator album excellent. Um. It's also Josh
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this. Josh Rip and I
Speaker 1: were talking about this where it's like Tyler is such
Speaker 1: an interesting person to talk about in terms of like
Speaker 1: who owns homophobia? Right, It's like he was on Goblin
Speaker 1: like saying faggot, faget, faggot like got eminem like like
Speaker 1: like kind of like tease it out of Eminem again
Speaker 1: to call him the faggot and like then like kind
Speaker 1: of brush it off, like Tyler is someone who would
Speaker 1: and then and then like and then like the ultimate
Speaker 1: gag was surprised, I'm gay too, Like what absolves what
Speaker 1: doesn't absolve anything? Who gets to like be homophobic? Now?
Speaker 1: It's like really interesting, I think, I think, I think
Speaker 1: Tyler is like a really interesting study and like what
Speaker 1: what like a popular artist can do, not can do?
Speaker 1: But like how they how they like occupy their queerness
Speaker 1: can they like because like part of the reason why
Speaker 1: I think Tyler is successful because he's been able to
Speaker 1: navigate the industry as someone who has not announced that
Speaker 1: he was queer, but then kind of like come out
Speaker 1: like once he was established. It's so interesting. I was
Speaker 1: I see him as such an such a such a
Speaker 1: great artist, but someone who is like kind of like
Speaker 1: in in the way that like we think about doja
Speaker 1: like but way like did you like bypass a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff? Not bypass a lot of stuff, but like
Speaker 1: are you like letting things slide off like in a
Speaker 1: way that is like confusing to people, like are we confused?
Speaker 1: And is that helpful? Is that hurtful? I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot there but you but you, you know,
Speaker 1: Matt and anyone our readers, if you partake um just
Speaker 1: like smokabolet or honestly drinking tea, listen to it. It's
Speaker 1: got jazzy lounge. It's like igor but unless of a
Speaker 1: through line, it's so good you would love it. And
Speaker 1: I think I mean that. And also before we go,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to briefly touch on Lil Noex's performance
Speaker 1: at the Awards. I mean talk about breaking new fucking ground,
Speaker 1: and also the trailer for his album being a marvel
Speaker 1: I loved, I loved, And I'm also like, you know what,
Speaker 1: like in such a short time, he's amassed all these
Speaker 1: like images and clips that could come together and this
Speaker 1: like thing that the entire m c U can like
Speaker 1: do as well. And it's like he's he's saying like
Speaker 1: I'm this big and I'm doing this on this stage,
Speaker 1: and that was like I would be nervous to do
Speaker 1: to do what he did on that stage in private
Speaker 1: sometimes you know what I mean, like talk about like
Speaker 1: announcing yourself. And then I've loved the way he's responded
Speaker 1: to like ha ha l O l by the way
Speaker 1: fuck you criticism, like by him being like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm living myself out on stage and finding
Speaker 1: myself out on stage because you actually, like as a
Speaker 1: society never allowed me to do this and like I'm
Speaker 1: finding it and because y'all are too afraid because you
Speaker 1: don't have an m amazing tweet about this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean just like I just I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I'm loving it, and it's like anyway, it's sort of
Speaker 1: calls back to what we're talking about before. It's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm gonna enjoy myself and do this the
Speaker 1: way that I know how from the heart first out
Speaker 1: and like from the loins forward. It's so it's so
Speaker 1: like wait, can I okay, I'm gonna share I'm gonna
Speaker 1: share with the readers my my little encounter story. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I told you this right, I'll recognize it immediately
Speaker 1: once you started talking about that season finale after party,
Speaker 1: like he like, he like, I like, he comes, We
Speaker 1: go up to each other and then he's like he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: like I can tell you have good energy because we
Speaker 1: like because we like because we'd like worked with it,
Speaker 1: because we've done like the Pride so long thing, and
Speaker 1: like I like, I was like when I was like
Speaker 1: in the booth with him, like when he was recording
Speaker 1: his first um, He's like, I can tell you have
Speaker 1: good energy. And I was like, you do too, and
Speaker 1: then I and then I said to him, I was
Speaker 1: like and and by the way, I was like, I've
Speaker 1: never said something like this, but I'm really glad the
Speaker 1: kids have you, and he was and he like looked
Speaker 1: at me and he smiled and nodded, and then he
Speaker 1: was like whatever, and then and then he was like,
Speaker 1: let me give you my number, and then and then
Speaker 1: he and then he texted me happy Pride out of
Speaker 1: nowhere one day, like three weeks ago, and I was like,
Speaker 1: happy Pride, Montero. I was such a little like fucking fan.
Speaker 1: I was like happy Pride. I was. I was just
Speaker 1: like this. I was like, this person is really fucking
Speaker 1: smashing ship down in a way that is perfect. And
Speaker 1: he knows what it's about. He knows where it's coming from,
Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing, why people are reacting the
Speaker 1: way they're reacting, and why it's okay that there, and
Speaker 1: why it has nothing to do with him. He's like
Speaker 1: it has everything to do with why with you guys
Speaker 1: hating each other, like hating yourselves all just because I
Speaker 1: kissed a dude, you know, and you're still talking about
Speaker 1: me giving state in the lap chance because you're like
Speaker 1: fucking you have no like mooring on your own lives,
Speaker 1: in your own spirituality and your own belief system to
Speaker 1: like understand why you're mad. Like that's it's beautiful. I
Speaker 1: love it. And ultimately, maybe everything we've said should we
Speaker 1: should just take back. And Pride was excellent after all
Speaker 1: because that got to take place. I agree that that
Speaker 1: was worth I mean, Leno Tex doing that made my
Speaker 1: pride bottom mounts all worth it, all worth it. And
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. I love you, And ultimately, like
Speaker 1: I'm coming back on the first, and I know you'll
Speaker 1: be you'll be leaving shortly after that, but I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see you for a few days and I'm happy
Speaker 1: I got to see you and be there with you
Speaker 1: for Pride, and I'm proud of you. It was the
Speaker 1: great joy of my ear to see you and spend
Speaker 1: that time with you. Have more time soon, and you
Speaker 1: better stay tuned readers, because there is some good stuff.
Speaker 1: There's some coming and some gay stuff coming. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you can believe that. Whatever. Now, at the top of
Speaker 1: my I'm giving, so I would name man, and then
Speaker 1: I lift my mind prayer to be, prayer to be,
Speaker 1: pray to be. You're my my, oh oh. Well, the
Speaker 1: fact that we ended it with that song huge. That's
Speaker 1: very queer, very clear, happy ride.