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Speaker 1: don't want you to worry about how it sounds to people,

427
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: because it sounds like you had a Pride weekend that

428
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: was very up and down. And I think that that

429
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: is sort of speaking to something that everyone can understand,

430
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: which is that there's a lot of expectation and a

431
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: lot of a lot going on mentally, emotionally, socially during

432
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Pride weekend for everyone. And I think that, like like

433
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: and so I think it's completely understandable what you're saying.

434
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: I also had it on a little bit of a

435
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: pedestal because I was coming back and I realized, like,

436
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: there's really not a moment unless I'm like literally at

437
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: something surrounded by three or four people. I really want

438
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: to be with at that moment that I don't have

439
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: an element of like stress, anxiety, fomo um or whatever

440
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 1: it is. It's like intangible. It's like an intangible thing

441
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: I can't really put my finger on where I stop at,

442
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: Like at like it's like a maximum of joy for

443
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: me at like eight percent. It's like in the moments,

444
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying myself. And then I think it's because,

445
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: like I think social media plays into it. I think

446
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the fact that we've been through the pandemic plays into it.

447
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: And I think the fact that you know, like things

448
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: have changed with the way you're right, you are perceived

449
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: and the way you are looked at and approached, And

450
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: I think that that's all really understandable. And I also

451
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: think drugs drugs and like I don't know, like don't

452
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: do them everybody. There's no like, there's no like blanket application,

453
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: there's no like, I don't know, this is my really

454
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: I normally don't really do them this and I kind

455
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: of this The occasion for doing the drugs was pride,

456
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: and that kind of is its own darkness for me,

457
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: where I'm like, why did I feel that it was

458
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: compulsory to do that you know anyway, But honestly, I

459
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: don't know if this is what you were saying, But

460
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: like the most fun moments on hand were this is

461
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: so this is so cheesy, but I'm looking, I'm talking

462
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: to my sister. We're with you. I was like laughing

463
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: the most when I was with you. We were doing

464
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: stupid fucking bits and like this is this is the

465
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: difference this. Do you relate to this? Yes, that is

466
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 1: what I wanted pride to be, yea. But in terms

467
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: of the approach, my it's my favorite thing when people,

468
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: when you and I are together and someone is able

469
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: to to say, oh my god, I love the pod

470
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: so much, And I'm like, that is different for me

471
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 1: because that is like are like kind of like that

472
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: is the quintestants of like us and like how we

473
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: like to like talk to pe and like that is

474
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: and that is like us like with no like I

475
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: don't know, no weird. People relate to it in a

476
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: in a way that feels like pure and people like

477
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 1: that and people and people know how to approach us,

478
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a duo of sorry I roll,

479
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: but it's like people know how to approach because we

480
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: make it very clear on this show, like how we

481
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: feel generally about things, and they know like, okay, like

482
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, Matt's sensitive to this, but insensitive to that.

483
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Let's you're the most respectful. For sure. There are one

484
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: thousand percent the readers that we meet are the most

485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: respectful people. One and I will say to it's um,

486
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there there was the very the first

487
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: night of Pride me being here anyway, was on Thursday

488
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: night and we went to the Boom Boom Room. We

489
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: went to that Madonna thing and it was it was

490
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: so I was so disheartened the second we got there

491
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: because it was so crowded. You guys, it was so crowded,

492
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: it was so seen, and it was so much and

493
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, I'm here and

494
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: already I'm like I'm confronting like what this is in

495
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: terms of reality and what this was in terms of expectation,

496
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: and I'm already like so tired and overwhelmed. And then

497
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: literally I won't say who, but someone provided the best

498
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: weed I have ever smoked in my It's a previous

499
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: guest of the show. It's a previous guest of the

500
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: show who is a damn legend he's a legend, legend,

501
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: oh my god, and I have I'm like, whatever, we

502
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: can't get into this, but I was like swept off

503
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: my fucking feet. Anyways, Uh provided the best godsamn read

504
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: I've ever had. And I'm telling you, I could have

505
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: stood there and bopped my head and not talked to

506
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: anyone for hours. Was like, I am totally fine. I'm

507
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: looking around and it's like, literally, it's so funny because

508
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: and I'll just say this, it's like you turn to

509
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: your left and it's like land Spass and you're like, yeah,

510
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: you are the blueprint of this party, like you are

511
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: exactly who's here. And I'm just like, but I didn't

512
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: feel stressed because this weed just like dropped me all

513
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the way in. And it's like you look across the

514
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: room and there's Andy and Anderson by themselves talking and

515
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm so happy, that's real, Like there they are.

516
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: And then you look over and it's like Adam Lambert's there,

517
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what the hell? Then Madonna comes out

518
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: and her fucking blue wig looking like Sydney Bristow from

519
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: Alias Crawling on the Bar. I'm like, this is so funny,

520
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: and it just was all. It all got to a

521
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: point where maybe it was because this we really came through,

522
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: but I was able to just chill for a sound.

523
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: I was like chill because of the weed. Despite the

524
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: I've never experienced the chaos of that room. It was

525
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: not a good venue for it. And and we love,

526
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: we love, we love ever playing and we love everybody

527
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: who made that happen, and thank you. And it was

528
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: it was an experience, but it was like so there,

529
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: it was just every kind of stimulus you could possibly

530
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: think of was there to like was there to like

531
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: fucking press down on you? And it felt like being

532
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: like twenty feet underwater, like like the pressure of it

533
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: was just like what could have crushed you, well literally

534
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: physically we were being crushed. And so we finally found

535
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: like a little place to go. But I will say this,

536
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of it, Like I'm telling you, it felt

537
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: like being in hell, in like a in like a

538
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: cool way. You know those parties that are like it's hell,

539
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: Like the aesthetic is the pit of hell, but in

540
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: a cool way. And it's like there's nothing to make

541
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you more afraid than the words no fear in red

542
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: letters honking at you at the wall. It's like the

543
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: words courage and no fear in all red letters, just

544
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: like blare ring at you while this music played, and

545
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: it's like truly red lights and I'm like, this is

546
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: just so it was so aggressive that I thought once

547
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: I once I smoked, I was like, oh, I might

548
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: have just made the biggest mistake of my life. But

549
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: luckily it was such good weed. And I just had

550
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: sat there and I was like, Okay, now I'm good,

551
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: and I felt like I hope no one like looks

552
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: over at me, and it's like, oh, that guy's not

553
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: talking to anyone. I don't want to speak to anyone.

554
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: And then I foundly found you and like sat down

555
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: and we we were able to talk like my sister,

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: but like I was like, I'm totally good now that

557
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: I'm like completely like zoned in, like I'm okay. And

558
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I needed that so bad because I was I was panicking.

559
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: It was I know, this is how you know that

560
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: was the best weed was because cent the problem, that's

561
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: the probability that it would have any other strain of

562
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: weed would have throttled you the other direction. And this

563
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: is the word You've even more anxious and even more

564
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: like on edge and wow for the weed to like

565
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: fucking relax, you actual change, your change, your mental gravitational

566
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: pull is like incredible, and God bless, God bless the

567
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: supplier that night, God bless and I and I mean,

568
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: this nut is so good. One struck no no way

569
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: O me. Oh look, I just I was enchanted by you.

570
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: Whatever we kiss him, it is the man is hot.

571
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: But okay, so here let's just say the people that

572
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: want to know what did Madonna do, here's the answer.

573
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Mostly in auction. Most it was most she did. She

574
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: started with Vogue, which is such a crazy move right now.

575
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: She did Vogue, and then she did Hung Hung Up,

576
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: and then she did the auction with Zachary Quinto, who

577
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: dressed in a pussy bow blouse, and God bless the

578
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: two of them raised a lot of money. I imagine,

579
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: we're really, we're really proud. I kind of like couldn't

580
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: get a spot, so I went to the back, and um,

581
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: I was just like I'm good with this, and I

582
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: think I did see Madonna sort of passed through through

583
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: the crowd and it was just it was I mean,

584
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: her kids were out. We just have to say, like

585
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: she gave you everything that you want from Madonna, she

586
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: was serving you and in all the ways you can imagine.

587
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: It was just I was happy to be there once.

588
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I was happy to be there, but before that, it

589
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, this is I mean, it was packed. Yeah.

590
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: And so this is another thing. I realized that you're hearing,

591
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: you're listening to the two of us. It's sort of

592
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: like already like wax analytical and nostalgic about this, like

593
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, pride experience that was just specific to one city,

594
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: and we hope that like you listening at home, in

595
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the car, wherever you are, whatever your relationship with Pride is,

596
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: if you've never even participated in it, if you don't

597
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: have access to like it's like you know, programming beyond

598
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: like a parade on Sunday, Like it's it's okay, it's okay.

599
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're not really missing anything. We're

600
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: reporting back to you, like the fun, cute little details,

601
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: but overall, what we're reflecting back to you, we hope

602
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: you understand. It's like an emotion which is, oh god,

603
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot, this is a lot. Well,

604
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: it's okay to be a human being, you know, Like

605
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I think that That's when I never realized I'm more

606
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: human than one of these weekends where I'm like, okay,

607
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and then I feel crazy because I'm like, should I should?

608
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: I want to stay out until six right right? And

609
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. That's maybe there was like and

610
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: maybe I missed when I had the energy to be

611
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: able to do that, but like I wasn't really doing

612
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: this type of thing when I was and now I'm

613
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: thirty one and I'm just like, by the way, this

614
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: is the first weekend of my life where I ever

615
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: was asked how old are you? I said thirty one

616
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and someone goes, that's okay, I was, and I laughed.

617
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I want you to know I still

618
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: consider myself to be very young. And they were like, no, no, no,

619
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: you are you are? And I was like, and I

620
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: don't need you to reassure me. No, no, it was

621
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: like it was yeah, and can we just say something.

622
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: The twenty four year olds walking around these events, UM

623
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: are are not in the are not in the sort

624
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: of UM are not in the power dynamic they believe

625
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: they are. I just want to say that, I just

626
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: want to make that loud and clear. It's like you

627
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: don't you of being twenty four, though I know it's

628
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: part of being twenty four, but it's like it would

629
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: just help if you had. And I think this is

630
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: why we did not stay. I don't know whatever it's

631
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: I had some awareness went back when I was that

632
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: young that like I wasn't fucking I wasn't ship like

633
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: I was I was. I was a fucking idiot, I

634
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: was a clown. I think we didn't have good self

635
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: esteem then. So I I think here's what I think.

636
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: If you're twenty four and you're ready to stay outntil

637
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: six and you fucking are feeling yourself, I wish that

638
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: for you. I just wouldn't say to someone who says

639
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Speaker 1: their thirty one that's okay. But also I do think

640
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Speaker 1: the person that did it, because it did make me

641
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Speaker 1: laugh very much a lot, and I I love it.

642
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Speaker 1: What is your thirty one? And that's okay. Let's just

643
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Speaker 1: let's just talk. Let's just put this out there. Lately,

644
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Speaker 1: you Matt Rodgers have experienced weird age fuckory with thirty

645
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Speaker 1: one and that's okay. And oh, Matt, are you didn't

646
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Speaker 1: think I was left in? So? How do how do

647
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Speaker 1: you feel about that? Well? I'll tell you what I did.

648
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Speaker 1: Have readers finally get in my d M s and

649
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Speaker 1: we're like the episode, we listened to the episode, and

650
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Speaker 1: we're on it. We're making your Wiia page. Then one

651
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Speaker 1: person said, I tried, but they say you don't have

652
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Speaker 1: enough sourced articles, babe, And I'm like, okay, well I

653
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: can't do anything about that. And again, this is not

654
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: like bloating my ego. This isn't like helping me. But

655
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: it's also it also is like very humbling in a

656
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: way that I think is great. I was just like, yes,

657
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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. And apparently there is one

658
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: in process now, but it's like it's true, I don't

659
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: have that much that much like media. Hopefully it'll change soon.

660
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Speaker 1: And I will say, okay, so while you sort of

661
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: while you sort of like talked about your product experience,

662
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: I think that honestly, something happened to me last week

663
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: that's sort of like numbed me out in a way

664
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Speaker 1: for a pride where it was like I really didn't

665
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: So the Q Force trailer came out and um, it

666
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: was like so crazy the response it got on Twitter,

667
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: because like it was so it's so funny because it's

668
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: like a forty second trailer, and people were so like

669
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: people who are on Twitter only, and I'm convinced don't

670
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: live off of it, um and if they, if they do,

671
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: it's probably very dark and sad. But came for this

672
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: trailer so hard and it's just like I couldn't even

673
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is how stupid people are,

674
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna watch this forty second trailer that like

675
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Netflix put together for Pride Weekend, which you know it's

676
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit like you know, just my

677
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: nature of what that is, like it's gonna be a

678
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: little yas queenish and I'm like, you know what I mean,

679
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just it's never gonna hit in a

680
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: trailer like for these people online, like these zoomers that

681
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: needed it to be what they needed it to be.

682
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: But it's just so funny the type of complaints I

683
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: was getting. It was like, well, the type of complaint

684
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: is all parritage ship, Like they said the same thing

685
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: I was telling you this Like it was it was

686
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: almost word for word, the same fucking quote tweeted stuff

687
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: that was like when um Our Little Pride song came

688
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: out for the finale in Vessel. We wrote, we wrote,

689
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, this is like so clearly um

690
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: modeled after Girls Night Out by Charlie and like Holiday

691
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: Bay Madonna, and like it's just it's not like it's

692
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: it's not like a fucking like masterpiece. It's just a

693
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: cute little song about like a little like about what

694
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Speaker 1: lived in Pride experiences are, which is like everyone spins

695
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: out and whatever and so, and then the quote tweets

696
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: on it were this feels homophobics. Somehow this feels homophobics.

697
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Somehow this feels homophobics. Somehow this it was all the

698
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: same stuff. I was like, okay, like we're not even

699
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: like coming up with like original takes on this anymore.

700
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: After the third or fourth quote tweet, it's just regurgitated

701
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: fucking bollus mush. Okay, that's what this is. And it's

702
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: just because it's just because we're in this like consumption

703
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: mode now maybe um where it's like, okay, this isn't

704
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: exactly what's being what I want reflected back to me,

705
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: then let me immediately write it off as garbage and drivel.

706
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: That's fine, They're allowed to do that. Um, it just

707
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: seems like it now, but now it just seems just

708
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: like it seems like this thing where it's like oh no, no, no,

709
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: but like there is not any nuance beyond I don't

710
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: know why, but I hate this right and it's just

711
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say is that it feels like

712
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Speaker 1: something that is that that creates like a shame in them,

713
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: I guess, and I honestly think it's like, well, let

714
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: me just say this, and this is almost I hesitated

715
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: if I even wanted to bring this up, but you

716
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: were being vulnerable, so I was just like, this is

717
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: something that happens, so I wanted to talk about it

718
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: because even though even as the audience of this podcast, girls,

719
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I do consider, like you know, the readers of the

720
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: pod like family, and like I do always want to

721
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: be honest with myself on this show, and um, I'm

722
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: also very aware that, like you know, we're you and

723
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: I are getting more opportunities and we're lucky, and I'm

724
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: so fucking excited for you and excited for myself. When

725
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: the Q Force trailer came out and it got like

726
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: this like bizarre reaction on Twitter from a few people

727
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: that made it seem like it was a lot of

728
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: people like like hating on it. Let me just make

729
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: it very clear to anyone that that that might like

730
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: have like commented on this or whatever in a negative way.

731
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Speaker 1: You took nothing from me. I am so fucking psyched

732
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: about Q Force. I know how funny it is, I

733
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: know how good it is. I know exactly what it is,

734
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: I know who it represents, I know who's involved in it.

735
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm so freaking excited to be a part of the

736
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: cast and to have written on it, because yes, I

737
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: was a big part of creating it as well as

738
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: being on screen in it. So you're never going to

739
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: take away how excited I am and how proud I

740
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: am to be a part of it. Ever, I think

741
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. It is, if you give it a chance,

742
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted to be. It's an incredibly diverse,

743
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: dynamic show that represents all different facets of the queer community.

744
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: The core four of it is Sean, Wanda, Psychs, Patti Harrison,

745
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: and me, and then it's like other people in the

746
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: cast play different roles and there's got an incredible supporting

747
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: cast and guest cast that hasn't been announced yet. It's

748
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: incredibly fucking gay as shit. I don't care at all.

749
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: If you are someone who watches it and and like

750
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: has a problem with my character saying something happened to

751
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: his butt hole when he's turned on, you're really not

752
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna like it. When my character jokes about getting bred,

753
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what you think about it.

754
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I love it. If you have a problem with the

755
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: fact that there are gay men out here and queer

756
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: people out here talking about getting fucked like I have,

757
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: I have to break it to you. I know a

758
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: lot of goddamn horse and like, this is just gonna

759
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: be what this character is. And I hope that you

760
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: like it. It's not the whole fucking show, but I

761
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: just hope that you give it a chance because it's

762
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: so funny. And if you had any idea, if any

763
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: of you had any idea, how difficult it is to

764
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: get something queer made, how difficult it is to get

765
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: any thing made, it all in general, but then how

766
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: difficult it is to get anything queer made, you would

767
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: have shut the funk up. And let me say something else.

768
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: When you make something queer, it has to check so

769
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: many more boxes. And when you make something from a

770
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: marginalized perspective, it has to check so many more boxes

771
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you what, if Entourage gets rebooted, no

772
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: one's going to talk about the lack of diversity. But

773
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: Sex in the City does, and everyone has something to

774
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: say about it, because when women make something, when pocs

775
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: makes something, when queer people make something, everyone has something

776
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: to say. And it comes from I think, when it

777
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: comes from our community. It comes from a real it's

778
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: always no, but it's top down and then it's bottom

779
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: up to were we're in a fucking like bear trap.

780
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know what, I understand, like watching that

781
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: trailer and think I'm not representative in that, and so

782
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: I fucking hate it. And it's like worse for my

783
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: community that it exists. And it didn't give it a

784
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: fucking chance to be smarter than to judge something based

785
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: on a forty second trailer made by Sorry but Netflix,

786
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: give it a fucking chance to be the thing you

787
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be, because it is and it was truly

788
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: made for you. And I just I'm sorry to get

789
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: like upset about this. And I put at the top

790
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: of my list and from the beginning and the start

791
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: of my career when I was making no money. For years,

792
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: all I ever wanted to do was make content and

793
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: make comedy for people like me and in my community.

794
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: And I've been so lucky to be able to be

795
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: one of those people that when I log onto something

796
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: that I'm proud of and I see, fuck this, this

797
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: is homophobics somehow coming from what I know our UM

798
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: queer Twitter accounts and being like this is the reason

799
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: why people like UM, why why we have hate crimes

800
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: against our community. Guess what, even if my voice is

801
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a little raised right now and it sounds like you're

802
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: getting to me, I'm only fired up to keep going

803
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: because I know what I make, and I know what

804
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: you make, Boon Yang, and I know what people that

805
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: came up with us make, and we're coming from a

806
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: place of wanting to entertain and provide and represent the

807
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: queer community. And if you don't like it, then keep

808
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: sitting on the fucking couch. I don't give a fuck.

809
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't need you. There is just something so unsophisticated

810
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: and like unformed and like pure, like college freshman or

811
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: aspiring college freshman to say this is setting the movement

812
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: back when it comes to anything, when it comes to

813
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: I hear this from Asian people, I hear this from

814
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: queer people. I hear this from just just people, like

815
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: not not even queer people, who are like, what Bowen

816
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Yang's doing is really setting gay people back. I'm like,

817
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: excuse me, your your your your version of um, you know,

818
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: your pseudo activism is that such a low frequency that

819
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: no one's gonna fucking hear it. It doesn't register, babe,

820
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: So don't even bother. Don't even fucking bother. I mean,

821
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's like and I checked in

822
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: with people that also worked on the show about it,

823
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: and and like, you know, I was just like, you know,

824
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: I think I've been like in a little bit of

825
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: denial about the fact that it bothered me because flat

826
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: out and like, I'm not gonna get upset. But all

827
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: I ever wanted to do was make the queer community

828
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: proud and all. And that's all I ever wanted to do,

829
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: was like like and and like so much of what

830
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I do was like I feel like explicitly comes from

831
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: my queerness, and it's been from the beginning, like it

832
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: makes me who I am. I genuinely feel like I

833
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: only ever really found myself as a comedian when we

834
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: started this podcast, and I was able to really key

835
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: into who I was and came into who we were

836
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: because it was us together and it was by accident,

837
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Speaker 1: and I felt like it's it's been like it's been

838
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: such a long road and so like, I'm going to

839
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: be proud of my success actually, and I'm gonna be

840
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: really proud of Bowing success and no one's gonna fucking

841
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: do anything to take that away. So it's and it's

842
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: like you and you can keep watching because it's gonna

843
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna see more of us. So how about that

844
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: there is no developmental process. There's still no developmental process

845
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: for queer people. Two land in a space where they

846
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: are able to make comedy and and and try to

847
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: like try to have every consideration and hold every consideration

848
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Speaker 1: and take those into account while making something that makes

849
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Speaker 1: it inevitable. Remember when b D said that, I've been

850
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I've been quoting that and like every single thing, I've

851
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: been quoting this to myself. Where it's when when Bed

852
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's like when people say, like, oh, like,

853
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: why hasn't there been an Asian person on SNL and

854
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: forty five seasons? It's not because like there aren't eight

855
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: funny Asian people out there. It's because there is no

856
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: process of like making sure that this will happen no

857
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: matter what, that that it will be inevitable for whatever,

858
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: an Asian person to land on a show like SNL

859
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: or for a queer person to make an animated show

860
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: about spies like perfect you know, um or something that

861
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: like won't elicit like fucking weird, unmoored outrage. Clearly it

862
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: is un founded outrage because these people don't know why

863
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: they're mad. They I mean, they don't know. What they're

864
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: talking about is their complaints are factually inaccurate. And so

865
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: it's this it's this thing where it's like it's the

866
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: worst kind of emotion, whether it's guilt, fear, anger, love,

867
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: the worst the worst versions of those things are the

868
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: versions where you form them out of thin air, out

869
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: of nothing. And that's what's and that's what is kind

870
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: of happening a lot more now. UM. And I just

871
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: want I just want people to like really like kind

872
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: of like try to like scope out and take a

873
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: holistic view of things and be like, oh wait, we're

874
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: figuring this out as we go. We're making sure that

875
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: this happens that there are better versions of this that

876
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: we like, that this is a recursive thing where like

877
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: people like come out with better things moving forward. We're

878
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: just making this easier for the next person and the

879
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: next group of people to make something even better for

880
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: queer people as we go along, because that structure has

881
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: not been built yet. Okay, That's that's what we're dealing with.

882
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what's interesting is it's like, I

883
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: think in our own ways, we are sort of a

884
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: part of like or maybe like a direct like half

885
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: like quarter generation away from the first like queer mainstream

886
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: version of a lot of these things. And I genuinely

887
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: think that, like it's like it's almost like we don't

888
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: know how to celebrate ourselves or it's like a rocky

889
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: road we've got We've gotten much better, We've gotten so

890
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: much better, much better. Remember when Guy Brandon we used

891
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: to say, like the only gay men who were celebrated

892
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: are porn stars and dract queens. That is no longer true.

893
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: That is no longer true. And I think Guy would

894
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: even cop to that, right, right, And I think that

895
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, it's just it's interesting, and this

896
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: is what I hope I hope that a lot of

897
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: these accounts that are saying these things that would say

898
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: something like that about your Pride sketch or any of

899
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: the characters that you do on us and Now, or

900
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: that would be commenting on Q for uce or something

901
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: that I do out there based on like something like

902
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: a hot dog or whatever. Um. It's just like I

903
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: just hope that that's not reflective of like a young

904
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: a queer generation who are like posts, who are like

905
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: post celebrating clearness. I just it's it's like it's a

906
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: rational fear that I have. We're not going to like

907
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: broadly apply that to everybody. No, that's that, that's not

908
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: what's happening. Like I'm I don't think someone. I hope not.

909
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: You know, it just it just got weird for a

910
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: second there, and it's you know, I was thinking about

911
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: this actually right before I got on, because I was like,

912
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: I was watching All Stars six and we were all

913
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: talking about it earlier, and we were all talking about

914
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: it in the chat and I hadn't seen it yet,

915
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: but you guys were like not loving and I watched

916
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: it and I was like, wait, I think I love this.

917
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm having fun watching it, like I

918
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: loved Jara Sophia, I think a curious looking good at

919
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I think so many of the queens are looking so great, um,

920
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just like I was happy to

921
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: watch it, and I was happy to do it, and

922
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, it sucks for these queens that

923
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: they're being premiered on the serotonin dump weekend. You know

924
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: what I mean. Everyone's unhappy. Everyone. Everyone's gonna be so

925
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: unhappy for the next week as they finally catch up

926
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: with like a download fucking paramount plass and like get

927
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: to consume this. I'm like, I think that maybe my

928
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: sisters in the chat earlier, like and I don't I

929
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: don't deny your opinions, but I will say, like, continue

930
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: to give it a shot because you know it's good.

931
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Although I do say I have some qualms about All

932
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: Star Stix. If you want to sort of transition out

933
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: of this moment, and we thank the readers for going

934
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: on this right with us. Thank you, Thank you readers. Um,

935
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: it's just like little things where I'm like some of

936
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: the cast I'm like, okay, like, maybe we didn't need

937
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: thirteen cast members if we're going to consider this person

938
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: like an All Star, and that's not shade to them,

939
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: it just is facts. Not everyone is an All Star. Like,

940
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: if you appear on three episodes of your season like

941
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: or one, you know you're probably not an All Star

942
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: and so the steaks of watching you on the show

943
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: are just not gonna be there. Um so and with

944
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: thirteen queens, you know, on an all star season, you

945
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: have to think that way, I think. And also it's

946
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: a it's sort of getting to the point where like

947
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: with the challenges, I feel like we're repeating ourselves. Like

948
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: seeing another Denim runway, it's just like or like another

949
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I watched both and I was just like, okay,

950
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: Like this is stuff we've literally done before. And so

951
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: if we're just gonna if we're gonna be so drag

952
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: and drop, not to make a pun, but I guess

953
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: I did with the show, then let's like find new

954
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: things to do on the runway and new challenges to do,

955
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's it's tough.

956
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: It's tough to talk about drag race because we don't

957
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: know on a decision level, like how much of this

958
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: is like a icon CBS thing where they're like, okay,

959
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: let's let's put All Star six on, you know, on

960
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: Paramount Plus it is and uh, you know, and these

961
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: poor queens like probably can't even vocalize how they feel

962
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: about it in an honest way. And I just think,

963
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: I just think like drag Race itself is going through

964
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: a period where it is like adjusting, and I think,

965
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: like it doesn't the show itself doesn't get too much credit.

966
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't get enough credit for like evolving, like you know,

967
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: like remember like you know, three or four seasons ago

968
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: when a lot of the discussion was around like Rube

969
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: being very exclusionary towards trans queens, and it's like now

970
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: it's like you got Giggli, you got, you got, you got,

971
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: like and even before that was like Gia and all this,

972
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: and it was it was just like, oh no, Like

973
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: it has not declared itself like we are Chap. It's

974
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: not being it's not been terribly declarative about the ways

975
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: it's changed. And yet it has, Yes, it is it

976
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: is responsive to like the collective critique of it, which

977
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: I think is very valid um. And so I don't know,

978
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: I think like I was just kind of like ribbing

979
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: on drag Race on All Star six to like the

980
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: thread being like oh God, like what is this like

981
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: what is this talent? What what does happen? And then

982
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: but then like also obviously finding the moments of like

983
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: true like true like ah and greatness with like you know,

984
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Josphiel like shaking like her big, her big latex tits

985
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: around and like this is actually this is the best

986
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: of this is the best of what the show has

987
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: to offer always, you know, and so like if there's

988
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: value in launching it, of course, And I will say

989
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: like in that second episode you haven't seen yet, incredible

990
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: lip sync at the end, like true, And I mean

991
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: like the show. Before I got on, I was actually

992
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: really happy because I was beaming. I found myself beaming

993
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: up at my television like like truly happy, and I

994
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: was just like, oh great, And yeah, do I have

995
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: a note for the whole thing that it's on Paramount

996
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Plus because do I think it really is a big

997
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: fuck you to the bars? Yeah? I think it's a

998
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a major funk you to the bars

999
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: who really could use this now of course, not for nothing,

1000
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: for nothing, and I know that like they're doing like

1001
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, like when it actually lead debuts like the

1002
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: bars will do whatever, but to have it on streaming, Like,

1003
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: I understand the movement towards streaming, and nothing that we

1004
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: say or do was going to like stop that. And

1005
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: I also totally understand, you know, they want people to

1006
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: watch Paramount Plus and subscribe to Paramount Plus. I get it.

1007
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: But I do think it's a shame that the communal

1008
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: experience that drag Race was built based on is not

1009
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: an inherent part of it anymore, because it still was

1010
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: even as people sort of like you know now now

1011
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: sort of um, you know, they accept drag Race as

1012
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: part of the real, true mainstream like Emmy winning repeated

1013
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: again and again and again culture, Like it's so like

1014
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: on straight people do consume it so much now and

1015
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like this thing that like was on

1016
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: logo and there was commercials for Luban during it, you

1017
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's not that anymore. But I

1018
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: still think, like you have to acknowledge that like that

1019
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: experience of going out and watching it like are it's

1020
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: it's not not even just so important for the show.

1021
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: It's so important for the communities, and it's important for

1022
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: these like businesses. So it's the optimal experience of watching

1023
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: the show because towards the end of season thirteen, you know, uh,

1024
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: stuff was stuff was opening back up in New York

1025
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: as far as like an outdoor experience went um and

1026
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: uh you know you and I went to went to

1027
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: went to a viewing outdoors and the first time I

1028
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: went back, it was so funny. It was so the

1029
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: first time I went to a bar to watch season thirteen,

1030
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: it was so funny too, Like turn at the table

1031
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: next to me during a runway and be like, Oh,

1032
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: they're cheering for that queen that I don't care for.

1033
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: This is what This is why that communal experience is

1034
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: so important and funny because you're like, oh, I disagree

1035
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: with them and that's and that's great. And I'm like, oh,

1036
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: they don't know. I'm like, they do not have that,

1037
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: Like they don't have like the same standards that I do.

1038
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is why it's fun because you're

1039
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: you're able to like disagree in real time to be

1040
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: like and then everyone we day and like I just

1041
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: I mean it was that was like my first genuine

1042
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: moment of like euphoria in the pandemic of like, oh

1043
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm with people again in this space that like is

1044
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: mostly queer people enjoying this, like whatever, like show that

1045
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: was kind of originally made for us, no matter how

1046
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: mainstreamed it's gotten. I'm like, this is fun and so

1047
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: like even they try to do that with uk Um

1048
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: when uh, like they would just play it the next

1049
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: day at night, and I was like, this is it

1050
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: kind of was nice, but like I agree with you,

1051
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: like it's it's truly a shame that like it didn't

1052
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: it did not that that that that conversion for Paramount

1053
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: Plus in terms of like getting users to like sign

1054
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: up for it is like prioritized over but of course

1055
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's it's it's capitalism baby. Well, and

1056
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: I think going forward, like and I would I would

1057
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: suggest to all the readers, are like hope that all

1058
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: the readers would like create their own experience with it,

1059
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I know I do

1060
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: know that the bars are doing this, like they will

1061
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: show the episode at a certain time, and I think,

1062
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, just like check in with your friends and

1063
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: um and you know the places around you that are

1064
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: doing that because it is fun. And like I have

1065
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: to disagree with my sisters. I think that it's gonna

1066
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: be a fun goofy season. I think it's gonna be

1067
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: a fun season. I'm just like, I just don't know

1068
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm like, oh God, I'm like what.

1069
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I keep asking myself why which is which I guess

1070
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: is a compelling thing, and like why thirteen queens instead

1071
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: of ten? Why these queens from these seasons? Why that

1072
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: queen again from that from those seasons. I'm like, there's

1073
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: so many question marks, and that's what's throwing me off.

1074
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm distracted from like the pure quintestants of

1075
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: the show because there are so many random ass fucking things.

1076
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: That's all. Yes, And I would say here's here's what

1077
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: who's that? Here's what I would say in the second

1078
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: episode one if I would say the more random queens

1079
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: involved in the season, like turns it and and and so.

1080
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I won't give spoilers, but it's it's like some of

1081
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: the queens. When I saw the list, I was like, oh,

1082
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: so it is that thing of like, you know, maybe

1083
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: Asia O'Hara keeps saying no, or Ligne just can't handle

1084
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: coming back, or kim ch is just you know, you know,

1085
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: feels above it maybe or like whatever where I'm like

1086
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: this is the girls were ending up with. But I

1087
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: will say, you're reminded that just because of how you

1088
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: do want a drag race season has really no reflection

1089
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: or bearing on how you are as a queen. And

1090
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: I think it's cool to see them understand what the

1091
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: show is and then come back with like less of

1092
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: a insecurity or less of a notion of what they

1093
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: have to do, or less of uh, you know, block

1094
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: up and come in and have fun with it. Because

1095
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: another thing is it feels like because these girls all

1096
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: know what All Stars is and they kind of know,

1097
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: it's like fucked and like it's like you get voted

1098
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: out for like stupid reasons and there's so much fuckory.

1099
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: They all care a little bit less and so it's

1100
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: a little bit lighter in a way. That's fun to watch.

1101
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's a that's a really that's

1102
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: a good observation. I like that. I like, like I

1103
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: want to feel stressed during a regular season. During an

1104
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: All Star season, I kind of wanted to be like

1105
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: they get voted out and it's like got me out,

1106
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, like sort of that energy like oh I

1107
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't win this silly game. You know just

1108
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: by the fact that there's real money and real stakes.

1109
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: No that is I think maybe the producers are very

1110
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: conscious of that fact that an All Star season is

1111
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: just going to be like a different species of animal,

1112
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: because it's like you're you're you know who these queens are,

1113
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting. You're just seeing what the

1114
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: mixes and seeing how things play out. But again, the

1115
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: stakes aren't as crazy, whereas like, I mean with thirteen,

1116
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: I was like so with it. I was I was

1117
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: glued to the fucking screen the entire time because I was, yes,

1118
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: this is all new. And by the way, I mean

1119
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: a lot of the thirteen girls were at Booming Room

1120
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: on Thursday, and I think I turned to you at

1121
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: one point I was like, wait, thirteen was like one

1122
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: of the more incredible seasons, like because I was like, yeah,

1123
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: I was like over there, I was like, oh my god,

1124
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: got make I was like, it's got mcenny news and

1125
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Simone over there and then and then we love and

1126
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: from twelve was I was like, I was like, oh,

1127
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I don't think like I think

1128
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: we've like filled that. We keep like like the show

1129
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: does a good job of filling the well again with

1130
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: like great reality characters and great drag queens where I'm like,

1131
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: I would love to see them on. It's not it's

1132
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: because because what's happening now with All Star six is

1133
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people are like, oh, they've run

1134
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: out of great queens, and I don't think that's true.

1135
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: That's not think that's true. That's not true in the

1136
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: casting of All Stars six, because there's some great great

1137
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: queens on six. Uh. And I'm also like there's plenty

1138
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: of like you know, there's plenty from the Reserve. Oh yeah,

1139
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean from in the future, like even from season thirteen,

1140
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: like and and and Jen is the only queen from

1141
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: season twelve on. So it's like there's great queens from

1142
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: twelve who, by the way, remember that was a pandemic

1143
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: season and they did not really get their shine afterwards

1144
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: in terms of performing live. So there's great girls from

1145
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen that are going to come on. By

1146
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: the way, I had a moment with Candy Muse, so

1147
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm a mom I had. I had a moment with

1148
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: G and G and I really connected and like I

1149
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: like was like it was like my one moment of

1150
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: like being star struck all week I was like, I

1151
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: was like, wait, yeah, literally was there and I was like,

1152
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I was like Smane and

1153
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: it was like literally like g I have to tell

1154
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: you like you're so you're so wonderful and like I

1155
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: can tell your good energy and like, you know whatever,

1156
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: and anyway, superstar and I'm thinking about g G being

1157
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: on All Stars. I mean, come the total that's in

1158
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: our future. Um. Candy Muse is sitting in the v

1159
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: I P section and by the way, she was sort

1160
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: of like sour Plus in the V I P section,

1161
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: like doing doing that and I love I live for it.

1162
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: So she turns to me, looks me in the eyes

1163
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: and goes like this beckons me over and I'm like, oh,

1164
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: this isn't I'm in I'm in trouble. I think I

1165
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: might be in trouble here because I did the Grinder recaps.

1166
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I'm literally thinking in my head as

1167
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: she as she's as she's calling me over, She's like,

1168
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: was I like a bit too? Can the mus I

1169
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: don't think? So? I love Candy Muse. I think I

1170
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: was always like a Candy Muse fan, even though it

1171
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: was like an up and down Season four candy muse,

1172
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: like we can say objectively, I think I was always

1173
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: like pro candy and good to her. But I guess

1174
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out. So she whispers in my ear,

1175
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: were you the one that did the Grinder recaps? I

1176
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: was like, yes, yes, that was me. She goes, I

1177
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: thought I'd recognized you, and I was like, I was like,

1178
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: I want to tell you that I love you, and

1179
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: she lends down and gives me a kiss and goes,

1180
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: I love you too, baby, and I was like, oh

1181
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: thank god. I was like that could have been a

1182
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: candy muse a moment. Like I was like, I hope

1183
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't like it was all sent something that like

1184
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: I said, like maybe shady one time during her more

1185
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: off weeks, but like love, they know what it is.

1186
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: Um Kenny was also there are poppy juice and I I, oh,

1187
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: yeah and yes, and I was like I was like,

1188
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I am too. I was like I

1189
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: respect Candy too much to like go up and like

1190
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: kind of like like kind of like harsh the vibe

1191
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: a little do the thing, and like we were technically

1192
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: co hosts the event of the function, but like I

1193
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: got a little follow I was like okay. So she

1194
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: like she like kind of saw me across the way

1195
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: and was like, we're doing the same job right now,

1196
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: this this one and I and I'm like respect respect

1197
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: we I I was always pro Candy, you know, even

1198
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: even even in the fucking like the Creature Challenge, the

1199
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: Animal Challenge with the fucking alien around her neck, but

1200
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: like the don I was living for. I was on

1201
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: the group chap like, no, I don't care what you

1202
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: guys say. I fucking love the look. I was loving

1203
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: every Candy look that came out every single week. I

1204
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: have been pro candy this whole time. And also here's

1205
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: the thing about Candy. Candy has it, but this is

1206
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: what Candy has it behind her eyes. Candy believes it,

1207
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: and so I believe it. Even when she came out

1208
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: and something that wasn't like perfect, and I said during

1209
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: my Reek have a bunch, I was like, she is

1210
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: wearing what she's wearing, but like, look at how she's

1211
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: selling it, Like you can tell her nothing. You can

1212
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: tell her nothing, and that's what I love. Like And

1213
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: even in that alien get up, everyone was like this

1214
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: is bad. This is one of the worst things ever.

1215
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,959
Speaker 1: I'm like says I was like, and I will say

1216
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: again and again and again, sometimes things that are bad

1217
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: are the best things. That's camp, that's called that's reveling

1218
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: in bad taste. To come on. Also the fact that

1219
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: just Candy was very much the show a lot of

1220
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: this season music the producer muse it is her name.

1221
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: I we understand that simone want the soft drink challenge,

1222
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: yea sweet tooth. But Candy, I mean, what's the case specials?

1223
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: These special glanced to the side, glanced back at camera.

1224
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: I con without Jim one of the honestly one of

1225
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: the smarter commercials. And also like something that like people

1226
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: like people that are the inherent audience at home are

1227
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: going to be laughing at you know what I mean,

1228
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: like like truly like watch that Oh my god, were

1229
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: watching an episode together and cackling at home, being like,

1230
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so stupid and funny, like

1231
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: Candyusa Cacalusa, Um, oh my god, you know what. Sorry

1232
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: not to fully swerve the other direction, but um, speaking

1233
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: of stupid like whatever, I just I have not really

1234
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: reckoned with the idea that I have been like a

1235
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: conan fucking freak since day one and Conan ending like

1236
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: on the perfect note. On the perfect note, did you

1237
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: watch Did you watch His Little Fair? Well? I did not,

1238
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: just because I've been swept up but you lately, But yeah,

1239
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: you should. You specifically should watch it because he's just

1240
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: like all it is is him thinking people and thinking

1241
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: that people have stood by him all these years, and

1242
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: at one point he's like thinking like Lisa Kudrou And

1243
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: then there's a whole segment where he and like Lisa

1244
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: like go to like this fucking like sidebar at Largo

1245
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: where they met for the first time in an improv class,

1246
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: and that was really they both recognized they both like

1247
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: they were so young, they were like in their twenties,

1248
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: like both twenty two, like recognizing each other as like

1249
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: that person is funny. I don't know, it's not to

1250
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: be cheese, but like I remember exactly where I was.

1251
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm not even with you when like he did like

1252
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: the whole like synesism is my least favorite quality and

1253
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: all you have to do is work hard to be

1254
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: kind to people and amazing things. What happened? Oh my god,

1255
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm crying. It's I love Conan so much. I'm sorry.

1256
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god. This is this is like the pure

1257
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: surge this is this is the drugs by the way,

1258
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, I mean he I know, I

1259
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: know that, I know that's a legend. He's a legend,

1260
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: like and it means something to you, And I was

1261
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: I was really happy that on that episode with Nikki

1262
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: you were able to externalize that, because I feel like

1263
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: you haven't really talked about on the podcast. No and

1264
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: like no, but like Roger, I'm calling you rog l

1265
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: o L like Josh Stripe does. But like every night

1266
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: watch every guy in middle school in high school, like

1267
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: I would stay up to watch and like, oh my god,

1268
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and so I know, like work hard and

1269
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Speaker 1: be kind of people, is like on every fucking like

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01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: basic like withered, like the distressed wood poster in the world.

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01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, like that's been like that's

1272
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: like that's like such a perfect distillation of like who

1273
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: he is, how he conducts himself. But then the way

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01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: he ended this one, um, this TBS run was the

1275
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: last thing he says, is my whole life, my whole

1276
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: career has been about finding that sweet intersection of spart

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01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: and stupid. He's like, that's what I spent my whole

1278
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: life chasing. Is that like that little that little like

1279
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: tangential point of smart and stupid, and like that is

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01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: exactly what Conan is, right, like every cone and bit

1281
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: is perfectly stupid, perfectly smart. I immediately me, boonyng, I

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01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: immediately thought of you. I thought of you, and study.

1283
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: I thought of you and students like those are the

1284
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: people that I know in my life who do that

1285
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: the best. And then and then he's says, as I say,

1286
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: I thought of you two. He says, um um, so

1287
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can do what you love

1288
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: with the people you love, that's the closest thing to

1289
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: heaven on earth. And I was just that I thought

1290
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: of you guys, and I was like, oh my god,

1291
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: this man is my hero. He's been my hero all along,

1292
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: and he like is the reason why I've like stuck

1293
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: with the people that I love is because I knew,

1294
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: like that was like the sauce, Like that's like what

1295
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: like that's like what everyone wants and like I'm so

1296
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: lucky to have that. And I'm sorry, oh my god,

1297
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm like literally sobbing over Conan. O'Brien l o L

1298
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: who I love you, and you know I feel the

1299
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: same way, and I just uh and honestly that is

1300
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: emotional because it's like he has been such a constant

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: for so many people. And I do think, you know,

1302
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: I think in the Late Night conversation he does get

1303
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: a little bit lost because I think in terms of

1304
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: whenever when everyone talks about like Late Night legends, it

1305
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: feels like only only like comedians will talk about Conan.

1306
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,479
Speaker 1: I think maybe because you know, it got a little

1307
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: weird there with like his his representation in Late Night

1308
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: with the Tonight Show of it all. But that man

1309
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: is and he is a singular icon, and I mean,

1310
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: like talk about one of the best interviewers. I mean

1311
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: also you'll hear like many many celebrities coming out now

1312
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: are notable people that have been out, they will They're

1313
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: all coming out of the woodwork right now saying that

1314
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: my favorite interview was the one I did with Conan O'Brien,

1315
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: or I never felt taken care of communically like I

1316
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: did with Conan O'Brien. I never felt like I could

1317
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: actually go out there and be do a real bit

1318
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: like or or Honestly, Conan O'Brien, like some interviews that

1319
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: he did like made people's careers in ways. I mean

1320
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: Aubredy Plaza like on tonor O'Brien is like it's like

1321
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: it's like a comedic touchstone for some people, you know

1322
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he made people feel like they're

1323
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: funniest self and that is a skill and that is

1324
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: a talent, that is a that is a gift and

1325
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: to to in order to those interviews, I was like,

1326
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: Oh that guy bow like wow, and like it was

1327
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: like pure like Conan like setting him up for like

1328
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: to shine. I'm sorry, no, I mean I think I

1329
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: guess very real. You did not comeing off at all.

1330
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this this is someone who

1331
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: means something just so many and means some something to

1332
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: you and so like that's a part of this podcast, babe.

1333
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you like like letting letting everyone

1334
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: know that Conan Conan is one of my culture is

1335
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: like moments that made me say cultures for me one

1336
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: thousand percent down like Conan like fucking shaped like the

1337
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: way I related to comedy because I was like, oh

1338
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: my god, who is that writer. That's Miriam Toland. That's fine.

1339
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: I was like I was like getting granular about this

1340
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: about comedy and about how comedy is made like that

1341
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: is huge, Like I was never curious about it until Conan.

1342
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm crying. Oh my god, I'm crying. Um

1343
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: you know what's funny too, Like the person that makes

1344
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: me cry obviously Kelly and one of one of I

1345
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: one of my favorite cod ever did earlier in her

1346
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: career was when she was on Conan and she sat

1347
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: down on the chair and she turned to the audience

1348
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: and she goes, this is my favorite show, you guys,

1349
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, I love her because I believe it.

1350
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: And then they had an interview that was so fun

1351
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 1: and good and I could just tell she felt comfortable

1352
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: and like this one, I was watching everything she ever did,

1353
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: like downloading it truly like a little fact, Like I

1354
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: was like, I need to download everything on my computer.

1355
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: But I remember her interview with him like made me

1356
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: so happy. I think I watched it thousands of times,

1357
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: but I get it because he made people feel good.

1358
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: He made you feel good, and I honestly like to

1359
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: see him really really get his flowers in this last week,

1360
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: like um, as people like say goodbye to the show,

1361
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: or as it is now anyway, or him as he's

1362
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: been on television pretty much our entire developmental life, you

1363
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was really special, was

1364
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: really special. It was very cool and um oh my god,

1365
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: of course I'm but intersection of Martin stupid like that

1366
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: is like, oh that's like that, that is like perfect.

1367
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: That is like every anytime I laugh and something you say,

1368
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: it's because you know how you're being so smart about

1369
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: how stupid you're being that. I know how to sick her.

1370
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: I always know. And that's why I said, my sister

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 1: needs me in a vulnerable moments. I'll just stay right here, sisters,

1372
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: my sister. We could sit here and we could actually

1373
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: like do a follow up on our Brittany episode and

1374
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: fucking say like say something about that, or we could

1375
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: start I don't think so honey, because mine has to

1376
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: do with that. Let's just I think the I don't

1377
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: think so honey will sort of jump start the conversation.

1378
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: So I am actually very happy with that. Okay, Okay,

1379
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: that means that we um on this episode everyone readers.

1380
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: We are moving into I don't Think some one right now,

1381
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: which is our one minute segment where we take something

1382
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: in the pop culture and we just, you know, we

1383
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 1: let it know the way we feel about it currently

1384
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: and sort of there's been a lot of I don't

1385
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: think so, honey energy in this episode, and you know

1386
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 1: you can count on that when the sister and I

1387
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: get together after a harsh, long, hard weekend. Um, but

1388
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: I have something to say about about this, yeah, I,

1389
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: and I would really trust I. I want your take

1390
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: on this more than anybody's. I really do. So this

1391
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: is Mount Rodgers is. I don't think so, honey, And

1392
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: as time starts now, I don't think so honey, Jamie

1393
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: Lynn spears, you need to shut the funk up. I

1394
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: don't care what you have to say, because where where

1395
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: the funk have you been? If you are in her

1396
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: life just as her sister, which you say you are now,

1397
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not part of her team, I just part

1398
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: of her life as her sister, and I want what's

1399
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: best for Brittany, Then what where the funk have you been?

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01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: Because if she's now saying that she's basically lived as

1401
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: like what she describes as like a slave, basically in

1402
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: a situation she compares to sex trafficking, and you're in

1403
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: it just for your sister, then where a fuck have

1404
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: you been? I don't trust you at all at all?

1405
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: And I don't trust the entire family, and noticed that

1406
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: Brittany said my entire family did nothing. She didn't leave

1407
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: you out of it. And last I checked, she doesn't

1408
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: have another sister, and you publicly are someone that we

1409
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: associate with her and you're lucky for that. So I

1410
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: don't trust you at all. I don't think so, honey,

1411
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: And you need to shut up unless you have something

1412
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: real to say. That's what I have to say about that,

1413
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: because hearing what Britney Spears had to say for herself

1414
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: broke my heart in half and in half again. And

1415
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: it's just so fucked up that this person has been

1416
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: so afraid and has felt so like closeted and restricted

1417
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: and tamped down that she had to publicly get on

1418
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: on her Instagram with what I assume had to be

1419
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: like at least a metaphorical gun to her fucking head

1420
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: to say that she's the happiest she's ever been. And

1421
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: now the second she gets some freedom, she says that

1422
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: she cries every day, that she feels like she's so angry.

1423
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: It's insane that she is an I U d that

1424
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: she won't she won't take out of her body because

1425
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: she's not allowed to because of her conservatorship. Where the

1426
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: funk have you been as her sister, as someone who

1427
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: you claim is only involved in her life and a

1428
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: sisterly capacity. That's not how sisterhood works. That that that

1429
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: that that only when someone steps up and says how

1430
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: much pain therein? Can you also speak to that pain.

1431
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: It's your job. It's your job to be there for her.

1432
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: If that's what you said you're there for, where the

1433
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: funk have you been? I don't trust to screw at all.

1434
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: So clear about it being her entire family, she like

1435
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: that that that that whole statement was so thorough that

1436
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: she it is it is no mistake that she said,

1437
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: my entire family has has should should take full responsibility

1438
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: for or they have they have inflicted this upon her.

1439
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, I don't know if this is

1440
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: the way that you sort of consumed the story, but

1441
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: like I read the text of the statement the day

1442
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: that it came out, and I was just like, holy

1443
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: sh it, and then did not know that the audio

1444
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: was available, And so then I looked at the next

1445
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: day and I was like a true like my blood

1446
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: went cold. I was like, oh my god, oh my god.

1447
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's obviously one who has been abused for years.

1448
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: The lithium thing is the most but I mean, besides

1449
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: the I d besides, like Jamie spears, overall, I'm like

1450
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: the lithium thing because she refused to like do a

1451
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: dance move is fucking crazy. Uh. And first of all,

1452
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: it's like, it's so funny to assume that anyone in

1453
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: that room is going to know better about like what

1454
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: dance moved to do than her. That her punishment for

1455
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: a disagreement or a difference opinion is that she gets

1456
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: put on lithium, which could have and I don't know,

1457
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: maybe did fuck her up forever. Like, this is so

1458
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: fucked up. You've got someone begging for their life and

1459
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: there's still a conversation about whether or not something's gonna happen.

1460
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: We need to seriously, this is one of those moments

1461
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: where as a society we need to fucking zoom out,

1462
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: because if you zoom out for a second, this is crazy.

1463
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: It is a human rights issue. It's it's it's and

1464
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 1: and if there's conservatorships out there that are this abusive,

1465
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: what she says that there are, and I believe that

1466
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: the people involved in them and that are victims of

1467
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: them do not have a platform like this. Then I

1468
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: feel really fucking embarrassed and ashamed that we have a

1469
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: legal system that can't do anything about this. Like it's

1470
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: just this is just crazy because I care a lot,

1471
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: this is I care a lot. It's like this whole

1472
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: system of conservators ships is is only designed to exploit people. Yeah,

1473
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: and look, I'm doing my I don't think so, honey,

1474
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: based on Jamie Lynn spears, because I don't know something

1475
01:15:55,240 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: just like about her using her sisterhood with her or

1476
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: as like and you could never understand, so back off.

1477
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: It's like, no, girl, where have you been? Where have

1478
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: you been? We can't understand it on some level, on

1479
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: a deep ish level, because we've heard firsthand from Brittany.

1480
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you talking about? We don't understand

1481
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: Brittany has Brittany has related none of that to you,

1482
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: except for say, except by saying my family has fucking

1483
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: destroyed me. That is the latest possible expression of her

1484
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: relationship to you as a sister. Right, And she was

1485
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: also pretty and this it was a pretty long statement

1486
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: and she was pretty specific. I'm pretty sure if she

1487
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: really wanted to exonerate you, she may have and also

1488
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: not for nothing. But when the most when the most

1489
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: compassionate statement of the weakest from Christina Aguilera, It's like,

1490
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: what the funk is going on? Like I don't trust

1491
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: this family at all? Obviously. Anyone that listens to that

1492
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: statement or read the statement, or is invested in this

1493
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: story at all knows it's messed up. It's just crazy

1494
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: to me that I'm watching the news cover and there's

1495
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,719
Speaker 1: still like a discussion about what's going to happen because

1496
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: of this legal system. You have someone begging for their life,

1497
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: and it's just like, well I don't understand them, Yeah,

1498
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I don't fully have the best

1499
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: legal understanding of this obviously, but like the statement is

1500
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: so explosive that like the judge has to at least

1501
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 1: like push for some investigative, like close investigative effort here

1502
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that like to see to see it

1503
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: to verify these claims. And then from there it's like,

1504
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: no fucking way do you like side with the family?

1505
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: There's no I mean also, like just the fact of

1506
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: the matter being that he makes money off of her works,

1507
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: she works, and then makes money that they that goes

1508
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: in their bank account based on her efforts and her

1509
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: image and her brands, and then they were able to

1510
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: make decisions for her. It doesn't make sense. Jamie's a

1511
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: fucking deadbe who like couldn't fucking hack. It is like

1512
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: some like I don't know what even he did, Like

1513
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't from the documentary like what he's she was

1514
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: just trying to like do some grift somewhere and then

1515
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: he came back as soon as Brittey's career was popping

1516
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,440
Speaker 1: off and the night it's like that is it's so pathetic.

1517
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait did you watch Wendy and I

1518
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: say that clipp with Wendy Williams, right, I just heard

1519
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: her talking about this, the whole situation. And then she goes,

1520
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: shame on you, Jamie, Jamie, and Lynn spears shame on you.

1521
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: She goes death to them all and only death to

1522
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: all of them. She was the only death and no, no,

1523
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: and then the audience is like oh and then and

1524
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 1: then wait do you make she like Wendy realizes and

1525
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: that splits like and then she's gone too far and

1526
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 1: then she makes a face like oh, like she's like yeah,

1527
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: I said that, and there's like yeah, that's at to

1528
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: them all. Title of that well, it's very someone someone

1529
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: on Twitter pointing this out and then had lost cultures.

1530
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: They're like, it's very Aaron Jackson energy on last culture

1531
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: dark dark killed them all. I did see them. I

1532
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: did see this tag and I didn't watch. You have

1533
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: to you have to watch it now. Hold on, I'm

1534
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 1: sending you the link you have. I want to get

1535
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: your real time reaction. Okay, okay, okay, I'm watching rehab

1536
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: that her father forced her into. Was a rehab where

1537
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 1: they knew the paparazzi was there every day. How dare you?

1538
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: Mr Spears? You had me fooled? And you too, Mrs Spears?

1539
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: Death to all of them? What? What? To all of them? That?

1540
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Thank you? Honestly, thank you that's the title of the

1541
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: death exclamation point all of the period. Honestly. That the

1542
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,640
Speaker 1: only levity we need in the whole situation. Call for

1543
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: Jamie and lind Spears to be killed. That is why

1544
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Wendy will always be number one. She can't do that.

1545
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: And then just look at the audience like y'all know

1546
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm playing, but also like not really, how dare you? Mr? Spears?

1547
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: And you too, Mrs spears death. So that really is

1548
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: Aaron My god, I killed them all. One is crying again,

1549
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: but this time for Joy, this time for Joy. But

1550
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 1: I just I would feel remiss if we didn't revisit

1551
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: our our Brittney episode with this, because because honestly, when

1552
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: she came out and said the documentary really made me

1553
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: sad and I wish I every almost stopped talking about me.

1554
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: I almost felt badly about doing that episode because I

1555
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: was like, maybe we are talking about someone that, like,

1556
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: you know, we don't really know what the situation is.

1557
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't speak to it. But no, you know what,

1558
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: sometimes Spade is a full fucking spade. The woman is

1559
01:20:53,640 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: like like like indentured. It's crazy. I just yeah, I

1560
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: I I can only like follow the story as it

1561
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: keeps developing because it's just like if I spend too

1562
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: much time thinking about like what her like life has been,

1563
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: I just I can't. It would just destroy me. I

1564
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: can't do it. It's just which is which is which

1565
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: is not? Which is not my way of like ignoring

1566
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: the story obviously, it's just like this is so um.

1567
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: This is one of the great tragedies of show business.

1568
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: I think one of the and as far as like

1569
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,600
Speaker 1: an individual story goes, like this is this is among

1570
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: the most tragic stories of like of like a performer,

1571
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: someone who like all they wanted to do is entertained

1572
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: being brought down so low that like we as a

1573
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: society have to like think about how we have thought

1574
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: about them over the years, how um, what we can

1575
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: do to help, Like it's it's it's truly I were works.

1576
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone understands that we are living

1577
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: that we were. We're watching something play out that is

1578
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: like fucking that is like really really like a huge story.

1579
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything new to me. It feels it

1580
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: feels like the same kind of cultural conversation we should

1581
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: be having when we were talking about about like you know,

1582
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: like fucking I don't know anything having to do with

1583
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. You know, It's like this is like this

1584
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: is something like that has like such a such a

1585
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: sadness to it that we are that we have to

1586
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 1: confront um what that means in or like you know,

1587
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: celebrity media diets. Anyway, Absolutely, I mean it was it

1588
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: was surreal to here and obviously hashtag free Brittany as always,

1589
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: and I will say in game show last week. Um, which,

1590
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: by the way, if everyone, if anyone, if anyone came

1591
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: out to game show last week and is coming this Friday.

1592
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: It's been so exciting to perform again. But the boy's

1593
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: lips sank too stronger by Brittany, and I was just like,

1594
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: this woman hasn't given us so fucking much, like I mean,

1595
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: she's just that song is just so rousing, and like

1596
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: I was just there's just so many millions of people

1597
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: across the world that support her and want her to

1598
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: live a free life. Like it's just anyway, Um, do

1599
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: you have something for I don't think so, honey. This

1600
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: week I do. I do. Well, that's good to hear. Um,

1601
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: So everyone this on the episode death to them, all

1602
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: all of them, to all of them. That's what it is,

1603
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: death all of them. This is this, we laughly cried,

1604
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: this is bone Yanks never nothing. I don't think so, honey.

1605
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so honey.

1606
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Ice at parties? Why are you always running out? Why

1607
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: is it always bring ice? Oh my god, we're out

1608
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: of ice, bring ice, and yet and yet we all

1609
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: it's it is a truth. University Universally acknowledged that if

1610
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: you buy ice, no matter how much I see buy

1611
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 1: for a party, no matter what size, you're gonna run

1612
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: out of it. What is going on there? What is

1613
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 1: the witchcraft that is happening? Was it Agatha all along?

1614
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: Probably because the ice keeps disappearing? And I swear to god,

1615
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: I bought five bags of ice from the grocery store

1616
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that all of my guests drinks this

1617
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: weekend at my house party were cooled and chilled to

1618
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: their satisfaction. And no, and still to no avail, even

1619
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: with an hour left for the party to go. My

1620
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: guests had to mix drinks with no ice in them,

1621
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: and I and I wept for their experience because I'm

1622
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: a better host than that, and ice, you will not

1623
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: make me a fool of a host. That's one minute.

1624
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: Why does ice always parties? It's because, well, I first

1625
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: of all, there's many elements famously melts, and so many

1626
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's not even that, it's not even that

1627
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 1: it melts. It's that no matter how many it goes away,

1628
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: it goes away. I know, I know, I know, I know.

1629
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: So so listen, when when so many people want to drink,

1630
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna want ice for that, and so you'd say,

1631
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a bunch of people at this party,

1632
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,440
Speaker 1: and everyone wants a drink, even if it's not alcoholic.

1633
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: You're needing, gonna know what drink even more even more

1634
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: everyone all around, especially especially on a hot day like

1635
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: that day. And I will say this, I've never I

1636
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: love the city of New York. I love the city

1637
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: of New York. I have never been more sure than

1638
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: I made the right decision. And this is boring, but

1639
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I came back to l A because

1640
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: I have to do a job this week. I'm like, yeah,

1641
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: this is where I live, and fucking thank god. The

1642
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: heat is bad, humidity is bad, it is dark, it

1643
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: is dark sided. And right now that's true. We pray

1644
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Forrest right now, which is going through an insane heat wave.

1645
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: My hands and more walked to remember, pray to be only.

1646
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: I will say this to be on the as I

1647
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: know now you're my only. I would say that one

1648
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: of the best songs of all time, one of the

1649
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 1: most beautiful women of all time, one of the great films.

1650
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: You talking about how stress you are, like sort of

1651
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: getting people on list for parties and getting tickets for

1652
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: parties full on hosted, like a big party at your apartment.

1653
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Didn't too much. You did too much. And so you

1654
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: know what bowen boundaries boundaries for next time. I said,

1655
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: next year, maybe you don't even do pride, take yourself

1656
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: on a vacation. I'll go with you. I'm not I'm

1657
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 1: doing that. I'm like, I'm talking to like people who

1658
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: like have just got on trips, like queer people who

1659
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: are like, oh no, I just I went I went away.

1660
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, you did the right thing. Yeah,

1661
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,919
Speaker 1: because there's no there's no Folmo, if you're on vacation,

1662
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: if you're like on a fucking beaches really culture number

1663
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and three, there's no if you're on a

1664
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: vacation and you're like beach, it's true. Absolutely, So yeah,

1665
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing next year. And anyway, I just

1666
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: thank you readers for listening to this whole episode. We

1667
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: Matt and I were working through things in real time.

1668
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: Our emotions are are little postmortem, as they call it.

1669
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: About pride, I cried about you know, a straight white

1670
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:27,560
Speaker 1: man who has happened to be very influential to to

1671
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 1: my life. And some of them are good. Some of

1672
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: them are good. Conan is one of the best ones.

1673
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say Conan is one of the best ones. UM.

1674
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: We talked about Brittany, we talked about drag Race, we

1675
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: talked about what we what you said we would talk

1676
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: about actually was the new Jojo Cat album and we

1677
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: did not talk about that. But quick thoughts. Quick thoughts

1678
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: is okay, just in my thoughts in a nutshell. Doja,

1679
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: I think with this album is officially like she's going

1680
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: for Rihanna status. And what I mean by that is

1681
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: she's going to be like occupying that niche that Rihanna occupied,

1682
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: which is I will come out with hits an album

1683
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: wall to wall of pop hits like every year. Like

1684
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: I do think that Doja like is feeling herself right

1685
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: now where it's like that last album had all bangers.

1686
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: This album has album as all bangers, and we will

1687
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: be seeing her live performances on every UM Music show

1688
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: because you know she can deliver that. I think Doja

1689
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: is there for ubiquity and I think that, like wal

1690
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 1: to Wall, this is great. I think she is the

1691
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: maybe like in the in one of the premier pop

1692
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: girls right now, and I love her problematic. She is

1693
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: she's kind of like creating the new a new pop

1694
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 1: persona of like we know her to be chaotic, but

1695
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: someone who is like and this is maybe similar to

1696
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 1: be on it, like, I don't fucking I don't give

1697
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: a fuck, I don't care, uncancellable. You say I'm canceled,

1698
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I say I'm not. And so um there's I don't know.

1699
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 1: I just think this is a very I mean, this

1700
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: is an album where she where I think the statement

1701
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: is I can do it all because I think hot Pink,

1702
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: her last like full like Studio album released was like

1703
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: this is Me, like giving you Dr Luke like bops,

1704
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: and and this time she I think he's only on three.

1705
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: He's only on the three the first three singles, Um,

1706
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 1: he's only on kiss Me More and need to Know

1707
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: and that one with the Weekend If I don't know what,

1708
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called. You're right, You're right. Yeah. Um.

1709
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: But the rest of the album, which I think and

1710
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I think there's some great fucking songs on it into it. Yeah,

1711
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't do drugs. Love to Dream is so beautiful,

1712
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Love to Dreaming, gorgeous song, sound good, No, like She's

1713
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: here to stay and like you know, like we can

1714
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: all I think, but I think this is what we

1715
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: need to come to as like as a community and

1716
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: as a culture. Like it's okay to say she is

1717
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: fucking nuts and that like her past is like very

1718
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: checkered and questionable. That is not like that is not

1719
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 1: that is not like a contentious point. That is not

1720
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: that is a moot point in fact, as they call it,

1721
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: like it is it is part of her like persona

1722
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: now that she is like all over the damn place,

1723
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 1: and like that is maybe like the value, that's the appeal,

1724
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: that's whatever, but like the work stands for itself in

1725
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a way, like the work is good. Um. Anyway, I

1726
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: also think this is an interesting conversation that we might

1727
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: need to unpack later on. But like the new, the

1728
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: New Tyler the Creator album excellent. Um. It's also Josh

1729
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this. Josh Rip and I

1730
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 1: were talking about this where it's like Tyler is such

1731
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: an interesting person to talk about in terms of like

1732
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 1: who owns homophobia? Right, It's like he was on Goblin

1733
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: like saying faggot, faget, faggot like got eminem like like

1734
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 1: like kind of like tease it out of Eminem again

1735
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 1: to call him the faggot and like then like kind

1736
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: of brush it off, like Tyler is someone who would

1737
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 1: and then and then like and then like the ultimate

1738
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: gag was surprised, I'm gay too, Like what absolves what

1739
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: doesn't absolve anything? Who gets to like be homophobic? Now?

1740
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: It's like really interesting, I think, I think, I think

1741
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 1: Tyler is like a really interesting study and like what

1742
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: what like a popular artist can do, not can do?

1743
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: But like how they how they like occupy their queerness

1744
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: can they like because like part of the reason why

1745
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I think Tyler is successful because he's been able to

1746
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: navigate the industry as someone who has not announced that

1747
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: he was queer, but then kind of like come out

1748
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: like once he was established. It's so interesting. I was

1749
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I see him as such an such a such a

1750
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: great artist, but someone who is like kind of like

1751
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: in in the way that like we think about doja

1752
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: like but way like did you like bypass a lot

1753
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: of stuff? Not bypass a lot of stuff, but like

1754
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: are you like letting things slide off like in a

1755
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,520
Speaker 1: way that is like confusing to people, like are we confused?

1756
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: And is that helpful? Is that hurtful? I don't know.

1757
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,680
Speaker 1: There's just a lot there but you but you, you know,

1758
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Matt and anyone our readers, if you partake um just

1759
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: like smokabolet or honestly drinking tea, listen to it. It's

1760
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: got jazzy lounge. It's like igor but unless of a

1761
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 1: through line, it's so good you would love it. And

1762
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I think I mean that. And also before we go,

1763
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I just wanted to briefly touch on Lil Noex's performance

1764
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: at the Awards. I mean talk about breaking new fucking ground,

1765
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: and also the trailer for his album being a marvel

1766
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: I loved, I loved, And I'm also like, you know what,

1767
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: like in such a short time, he's amassed all these

1768
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: like images and clips that could come together and this

1769
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: like thing that the entire m c U can like

1770
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,560
Speaker 1: do as well. And it's like he's he's saying like

1771
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm this big and I'm doing this on this stage,

1772
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and that was like I would be nervous to do

1773
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: to do what he did on that stage in private

1774
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: sometimes you know what I mean, like talk about like

1775
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: announcing yourself. And then I've loved the way he's responded

1776
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: to like ha ha l O l by the way

1777
01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: fuck you criticism, like by him being like, yeah, you

1778
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: know what, I'm living myself out on stage and finding

1779
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: myself out on stage because you actually, like as a

1780
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: society never allowed me to do this and like I'm

1781
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 1: finding it and because y'all are too afraid because you

1782
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: don't have an m amazing tweet about this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1783
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: and I mean just like I just I'm loving it.

1784
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm loving it, and it's like anyway, it's sort of

1785
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 1: calls back to what we're talking about before. It's like, no, actually,

1786
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm gonna enjoy myself and do this the

1787
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: way that I know how from the heart first out

1788
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: and like from the loins forward. It's so it's so

1789
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: like wait, can I okay, I'm gonna share I'm gonna

1790
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: share with the readers my my little encounter story. Okay,

1791
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: and I told you this right, I'll recognize it immediately

1792
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,719
Speaker 1: once you started talking about that season finale after party,

1793
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: like he like, he like, I like, he comes, We

1794
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: go up to each other and then he's like he's like, hey,

1795
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: like I can tell you have good energy because we

1796
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: like because we like because we'd like worked with it,

1797
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 1: because we've done like the Pride so long thing, and

1798
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: like I like, I was like when I was like

1799
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: in the booth with him, like when he was recording

1800
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: his first um, He's like, I can tell you have

1801
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: good energy. And I was like, you do too, and

1802
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: then I and then I said to him, I was

1803
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: like and and by the way, I was like, I've

1804
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: never said something like this, but I'm really glad the

1805
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: kids have you, and he was and he like looked

1806
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 1: at me and he smiled and nodded, and then he

1807
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: was like whatever, and then and then he was like,

1808
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: let me give you my number, and then and then

1809
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: he and then he texted me happy Pride out of

1810
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: nowhere one day, like three weeks ago, and I was like,

1811
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: happy Pride, Montero. I was such a little like fucking fan.

1812
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: I was like happy Pride. I was. I was just

1813
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: like this. I was like, this person is really fucking

1814
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: smashing ship down in a way that is perfect. And

1815
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: he knows what it's about. He knows where it's coming from,

1816
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing, why people are reacting the

1817
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: way they're reacting, and why it's okay that there, and

1818
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: why it has nothing to do with him. He's like

1819
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: it has everything to do with why with you guys

1820
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: hating each other, like hating yourselves all just because I

1821
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: kissed a dude, you know, and you're still talking about

1822
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: me giving state in the lap chance because you're like

1823
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: fucking you have no like mooring on your own lives,

1824
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: in your own spirituality and your own belief system to

1825
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: like understand why you're mad. Like that's it's beautiful. I

1826
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 1: love it. And ultimately, maybe everything we've said should we

1827
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: should just take back. And Pride was excellent after all

1828
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: because that got to take place. I agree that that

1829
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: was worth I mean, Leno Tex doing that made my

1830
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: pride bottom mounts all worth it, all worth it. And

1831
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. I love you, And ultimately, like

1832
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm coming back on the first, and I know you'll

1833
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 1: be you'll be leaving shortly after that, but I'm excited

1834
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 1: to see you for a few days and I'm happy

1835
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I got to see you and be there with you

1836
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: for Pride, and I'm proud of you. It was the

1837
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: great joy of my ear to see you and spend

1838
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that time with you. Have more time soon, and you

1839
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: better stay tuned readers, because there is some good stuff.

1840
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: There's some coming and some gay stuff coming. Okay, if

1841
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 1: you can believe that. Whatever. Now, at the top of

1842
01:35:53,640 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: my I'm giving, so I would name man, and then

1843
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: I lift my mind prayer to be, prayer to be,

1844
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: pray to be. You're my my, oh oh. Well, the

1845
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: fact that we ended it with that song huge. That's

1846
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: very queer, very clear, happy ride.