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Speaker 3: It is Tuesday, September seventeenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
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Speaker 3: gonna get into today. Cowboys are into now starting to
Speaker 3: flip the page from the debacle that was last Sunday
Speaker 3: versus the Saints, and as of tomorrow, will start on
Speaker 3: their preparation for the upcoming game against the Baltimore Ravens. Yesterday,
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy had his time with the media and there
Speaker 3: were a couple of things that came out of that,
Speaker 3: as well as Jerry Jones this morning on Sean RJ
Speaker 3: and Bobby where he had a couple comments. But we'll
Speaker 3: talk about a little bit a little bit about those things.
Speaker 3: Brian in the second segment is going to have a
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Speaker 3: the mind of Brian brought us. And then finally in
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Speaker 3: talk about Mike McCarthy. Yesterday, he had his time with
Speaker 3: the media. One thing he talked about, uh, this was
Speaker 3: a reaction to the loss. He said, we look like
Speaker 3: a young, inexperienced football team, calling them veterans to make
Speaker 3: an impact mentally and physically. Were the problems as you
Speaker 3: went back and looked at it, were the problems that
Speaker 3: you saw related to youth and an experience?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when we went through we'd started talking
Speaker 4: about miss blocks, guys stumbling on routes, you know, guys
Speaker 4: not extending for the ball, left tackle, center, you know,
Speaker 4: how about your how about Mayr Sleafal at linebacker? Yeah,
Speaker 4: they got a lot of young guys playing, and that
Speaker 4: was something I felt like that when he said it,
Speaker 4: I it was a very clear picture that they are
Speaker 4: relying on a lot of young guys to play, and
Speaker 4: and that's no excuse, but young guys. They're going to
Speaker 4: make mistakes. They're not going to get the blocks all
Speaker 4: the time. They're not going to run the right routes
Speaker 4: all the time. They're they're going to jump around blocks.
Speaker 4: They're going to play like they're at Oklahoma or at
Speaker 4: Notre Dame or South Carolina and into these other places
Speaker 4: with those Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a little bit different.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that if that's part of the
Speaker 4: that's part of the the hazard of playing young guys
Speaker 4: is they they will eventually go from being guys inexperience
Speaker 4: to having experience, and you know, you hate to have
Speaker 4: a game where, you know, but there was a there
Speaker 4: was a lot wrong with really the whole team. It
Speaker 4: wasn't just the young guys, but it was pretty evident
Speaker 4: when you watch the tape that there were young guys
Speaker 4: in positions or that they put in position to make
Speaker 4: plays that for their first time, it was it was
Speaker 4: a little bit of a daunting task.
Speaker 6: You know, I give a lot of credit to all
Speaker 6: these younger players and what they're doing. Again, you're you
Speaker 6: took a gamble in the offseason. You took a gamble
Speaker 6: during free agency and decided to go the drafting route
Speaker 6: once again and rely on that. And that's a big
Speaker 6: gamble that you take on putting hoping that these young
Speaker 6: players can perform to the level that you need them
Speaker 6: to perform. And just like Ryan mentioned, it's not it
Speaker 6: wasn't just the young players. It was a collective thing
Speaker 6: with everything exactly. But but the point is you knew
Speaker 6: that going in. And I don't like to pressure these
Speaker 6: young players and blame them and all that, because that's
Speaker 6: completely unfair. I think they're doing a good job. There
Speaker 6: is time for the development, growth and those kind of experiences.
Speaker 7: You only get it through actual game day.
Speaker 6: You can practice as much as you want on during
Speaker 6: training camp, week to week practices, but the actual experience
Speaker 6: and growth in that aspect just comes from actual game
Speaker 6: day plays. And it's just that's that's what that's what
Speaker 6: they're that's what they have, and that's what they got
Speaker 6: to figure out and deal with. And it sucks to
Speaker 6: be put in that situation, but there's no other way.
Speaker 4: They eventually grow up. What you don't have is time, yeah,
Speaker 4: and and and and what happens when you're a draft
Speaker 4: and developed team is you're always going to go this route.
Speaker 4: You're not going to you know, and especially if you have, uh,
Speaker 4: the players on your roster that are the top players
Speaker 4: in the league, you're gonna have to play with a
Speaker 4: lot of younger guys. And and that's the way it
Speaker 4: really is around all the league. And you know, the coaches,
Speaker 4: they they you know, they're they have a lot of
Speaker 4: faith in these kids. They have a lot of faith.
Speaker 4: And I mean when they talk about lea foul and
Speaker 4: they I mean, I remember his visiting with Mike Zimmer
Speaker 4: at training camp, like, gosh, this kid gets it. He
Speaker 4: understands that he's he's talented, you know that. And you're
Speaker 4: going on and on and on and and they you know,
Speaker 4: and then he plays in the game and then you're
Speaker 4: kind of like, man, he looked like he missed this reader,
Speaker 4: he missed that reader, he missed this. And I'm just
Speaker 4: saying him, I'm not.
Speaker 3: In general just a Gerald.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys like could say Brooks
Speaker 4: is a really young guy. Everybody is saying, oh, well,
Speaker 4: Brooks is better than Tolbert Brooks. You know, they kept
Speaker 4: saying Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, and You're like going, okay, well,
Speaker 4: you know, Tolbert has a little bit more experience. But yeah,
Speaker 4: let's go with Brooks. And you know, you miss a
Speaker 4: block on the edge, you get overpowered there by the
Speaker 4: nickel corner, and then you do you fall down running
Speaker 4: on an inside route, Well, you can't fall down. That's
Speaker 4: to be an interception. Ninety percent of the time. If
Speaker 4: you're running an inbreaking route and you fall down, somebody
Speaker 4: in the middle fields can intercept that ball. But those
Speaker 4: are experience he has. He's like, Okay, I've got to
Speaker 4: be a little bit more controlled on my brakes. I
Speaker 4: got to make sure that when I plant that I
Speaker 4: don't stumble. And I think a lot of guys it
Speaker 4: was a very eye opening game for a lot of guys.
Speaker 4: You know, as much where where Guidon's eye opening moment
Speaker 4: was in Cleveland last week. When you watch Miles Garrett rush,
Speaker 4: you're like, going, damn, this is the NFL. I'm not
Speaker 4: blocking somebody from you know, Louisiana Monroe or any you know,
Speaker 4: I'm blocking real dudes here right now. You no offense
Speaker 4: to Louisiana Monroe. But you do what I'm saying there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go on to a conversation that our
Speaker 3: question that was asked about the effectiveness of the running game.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy says, the run game is difficult. It's a
Speaker 3: commitment to the run game. It's tough to play if
Speaker 3: you don't play it all the time. But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, it all comes down to fundamentals.
Speaker 3: Jerry followed up this morning when asked about the running games,
Speaker 3: and he was specifically asked about Dalvin Cook. His respons was,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily see a change that would involve Cook
Speaker 3: this week. My question for you guys is does Dallas
Speaker 3: need more commitment to the run or do they need
Speaker 3: different personnel, because it really is I try it. It
Speaker 3: could be both.
Speaker 4: I tried to help you in week one. I tried
Speaker 4: to help you in week one with game in hand
Speaker 4: and just go ahead and try and work on the
Speaker 4: running game. You know, there could have been a commitment there.
Speaker 4: You know, this is where sometimes coaches drive me nuts,
Speaker 4: where you talk about there needs to be a commitment.
Speaker 4: There could have been a commitment in the second half
Speaker 4: of the Browns game with game in hand. You knew
Speaker 4: they weren't coming back on you. You know, if you
Speaker 4: run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, and
Speaker 4: you keep going three and out with Okay, now you
Speaker 4: have an idea, we committed it to fix. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: now understand that. To me, the running game was not
Speaker 4: a problem in this game. You know why, because there
Speaker 4: was no need to go to the running game. You
Speaker 4: were behind twenty one to three, twenty one to six,
Speaker 4: twenty eight to you know it, just this, you never
Speaker 4: got to stop to where you know, now if the
Speaker 4: game would have would it would have been able to
Speaker 4: if you'd got closed and had got tight and you okay,
Speaker 4: we've got to run the ball here to to try
Speaker 4: and you know, get first downs and stuff like that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I get it. That's but you were so the score
Speaker 4: was so whacked and you weren't gonna stop them. The
Speaker 4: only way you had a chance of coming back in
Speaker 4: this game is throwing the football. Last week was the
Speaker 4: week to work on the running game when the game
Speaker 4: was in hand. You know that, that to me was
Speaker 4: the missed opportunity. Even Zach Martin said that, you know,
Speaker 4: don't you don't have to believe me, failed NFL scout.
Speaker 4: Believe the guy that's playing right guard for you, he's
Speaker 4: the one. We might have missed an opportunity there, you know,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden if you, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: we would have felt better about the running game if
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're running against Cleveland at you know,
Speaker 4: second half, and you're like, well, that's a pretty good
Speaker 4: front seven you're running against right there. You know, now
Speaker 4: we have this unknown feeling. We still have an unknown feeling,
Speaker 4: even when we had a chance to maybe either say, hey,
Speaker 4: this thing is going to be all right, or boy,
Speaker 4: we're in an s load of trouble right now, you know,
Speaker 4: and we don't know that. We're saying, well, you got
Speaker 4: to be committed to it. Well, you could have committed
Speaker 4: it to game in hand. You missed an opportunity there.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, that's exactly I mean, going into week three,
Speaker 6: that's not an ideal situation to be in. And I
Speaker 6: mean I would hope that we do see Dalvin Cook
Speaker 6: going to this game, but because that at least gives you.
Speaker 7: A new something to work with.
Speaker 6: What you're putting on film right now, what you've put
Speaker 6: on film this past two weeks. Who are you scary?
Speaker 6: You're not scarying anybody. Like, no defensive coordinator is looking
Speaker 6: at this game saying, oh man, we got to make
Speaker 6: sure we stop them. From running the ball. It's not happening.
Speaker 6: You haven't done it, you haven't shown or proved that
Speaker 6: you can do it. And I've had faith going into
Speaker 6: this game. I do still think that if they come
Speaker 6: up with different ways to do it and be more
Speaker 6: creative with it, that there is a possibility for these
Speaker 6: running backs to be able to actually run the football
Speaker 6: and be more effective than what they've been. But like
Speaker 6: you say, Brian, they missed that chance week one, when
Speaker 6: they the game, they had it in hand.
Speaker 7: They could have tried different.
Speaker 6: Things and have a better whether good or bad. Right,
Speaker 6: you know, Okay, this is what we got and this
Speaker 6: is what we can do. So again, hopefully this is
Speaker 6: a week where we do see despite what Jerry Jones
Speaker 6: commented and said, I hope we do see Darvin Cook
Speaker 6: go in there and hopefully he's in good shape. He
Speaker 6: is in good shape, he's healthy, but hopefully he can
Speaker 6: add some spark and bring something else to the run game.
Speaker 4: We're all learning about these metrics when you have backs,
Speaker 4: but it's not just Zeke. When you have backs that
Speaker 4: have not made anybody miss, that's a metric. That's the
Speaker 4: stat they keep missed, you know, make people miss Dallas
Speaker 4: both backs neither one. I think vond three.
Speaker 3: I had seven last week, right, seven in game two?
Speaker 4: Right, So you have in the game where you don't
Speaker 4: have anybody miss and then all of a sudden, look
Speaker 4: at ten yard runs. You know you're near the bottom
Speaker 4: of the league in that. So to me, this week
Speaker 4: was a you weren't going to run because there was
Speaker 4: no reason to run. You were you were too far behind.
Speaker 4: You're playing catchup. So it's still now here. We go
Speaker 4: into week three and there's that that unknown factor. If
Speaker 4: you run the ball, you're like, okay, great, But now
Speaker 4: it's kind of like, well, how committed he talks about
Speaker 4: being committed? How committed are you going to be? You
Speaker 4: know going forward? That that's what bothers me out. Coaches
Speaker 4: they say you have to be committed. Well, Mike, you
Speaker 4: can make that call. You're the primary play caller. You
Speaker 4: look down your play card and you say, okay, today
Speaker 4: this series, I'm going to try this, I'm going to
Speaker 4: try this, I'm going to do that, And you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, It's just I don't know why you'd
Speaker 4: want to keep not knowing.
Speaker 6: Well, also, in this game, I feel like how it's
Speaker 6: going now it's starting to add that unnecessary pressure to
Speaker 6: it where it's like, now maybe he sees himself being
Speaker 6: forced to Okay, let's try to run the ball more,
Speaker 6: even in situation where you don't necessarily want to. So
Speaker 6: I think it starts with that added pressure. It starts
Speaker 6: taking away from from the logic aspect of the game
Speaker 6: and be more logical and the things in the plays
Speaker 6: that you should run.
Speaker 3: I will point this out Brian talking about those mistackles.
Speaker 3: I think for this last game, Daddle, as I said,
Speaker 3: had seven on four carries, which to me is not
Speaker 3: a bad clip. That's a little better than what the
Speaker 3: other guys are doing. You certainly want more, as you
Speaker 3: were saying, we want more volume. I want to see
Speaker 3: what that looks like if you get to fifteen carries
Speaker 3: or twelve carries, even like having four carries is just
Speaker 3: not enough. And I understand how the game played out,
Speaker 3: but that did give me reason to believe that maybe
Speaker 3: just make you and I can be right on this one,
Speaker 3: that Donald can be a guy that can carry. They
Speaker 3: just got to give him opportunity to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna see Dalvin Cook. I
Speaker 4: really don't I don't know how they get him up.
Speaker 4: That's that's the thing that Jerry. I mean, they're probably
Speaker 4: looking at other situations, at other positions and stuff, and
Speaker 4: probably feeling far more pressed than having Dalvin Cook up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't think a lot.
Speaker 4: Of Dalvin Cook might be a break glass in case
Speaker 4: of emergency. Guy and I you know they I don't know.
Speaker 4: They probably don't look at it that way right now.
Speaker 3: And quite frankly, as the season goes on again, I
Speaker 3: don't know that any of these backs are the type
Speaker 3: that really put fear, as you said, Amber in opposing defense.
Speaker 3: So maybe the thought is hold Dalvin and it just
Speaker 3: gives a new wrinkle later in the season as you
Speaker 3: make if you need him or if you don't need him,
Speaker 3: it's just a new rink.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't I don't know, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: I don't know if we can if I don't know
Speaker 4: about the back. I think I have an idea about
Speaker 4: the backs. I don't know about the line. I think
Speaker 4: this running game could be really good because maybe the backs,
Speaker 4: but the line could be awful, you know, Or it
Speaker 4: could be a really good running game with the line
Speaker 4: and the backs are not any good. That was my fear,
Speaker 4: that that they were going to be able to create
Speaker 4: lanes and holes and gaps and stuff, but they weren't
Speaker 4: able to get somebody to and through the hole. That
Speaker 4: was that was my big issue. There's so many still
Speaker 4: we don't even know.
Speaker 3: There's so many question marks when you think about the
Speaker 3: offensive line and you think about the backs that it's
Speaker 3: like everything has to go right right, There's so many
Speaker 3: question marks, so many things that are not what you
Speaker 3: thought they were, or you just didn't know because you
Speaker 3: didn't have the experience of knowing. All right, let's go
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Speaker 3: We'll get into the mind of Brian brought us. He's
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Speaker 4: I got a few questions for you guys, and I
Speaker 4: know you guys will give me some good answers, So
Speaker 4: here we go. Ag. I'll start with you, did Tolbert's
Speaker 4: overall play make you feel better about the receivers behind lamb.
Speaker 7: Um better than last year?
Speaker 6: Yes, if we're comparing it, if we're using something to
Speaker 6: compare it with, I think Tolbert has taken a step
Speaker 6: up in his in the way that he plays branding Cooks.
Speaker 6: He's still branding Cooks, and I mean he's still very
Speaker 6: talented and skilled and fast and everything, and Tolbert, he
Speaker 6: he's grown. And I would say, like if you look
Speaker 6: at what happened last year, the way he played, and
Speaker 6: also what they had in Michael Gallup last year, which
Speaker 6: was not much. He never recovered from really from that
Speaker 6: injury and what he was dealing with. But this year
Speaker 6: and even some of the plays that we saw this
Speaker 6: past weekend, I thought he's playing with more confidence, more
Speaker 6: he's more assertive in the decisions that he's making. He
Speaker 6: still needs to be better, but I think he I
Speaker 6: feel a lot more comfortable with the receivers right now
Speaker 6: behind Ceedy Land.
Speaker 4: Do his overall play in that game make you feel
Speaker 4: better about the receivers behind Lamb.
Speaker 3: It's a two part question for me. I'm a two
Speaker 3: point answer for me. I think I feel better about
Speaker 3: the third wide receiver position than what I felt last
Speaker 3: year about Michael Gallup. I still feel like the wide
Speaker 3: receiver position isn't getting what it needs from Brandon Cooks
Speaker 3: because I look at that and I'm like, giving him
Speaker 3: two opportunities in a game where you're down by as
Speaker 3: much as you were that. To me, you're not utilizing him.
Speaker 7: You need he needs. I was gonna say, I mean,
Speaker 7: are you putting it on him?
Speaker 3: No, no, this is not this is not on him.
Speaker 3: He has what happened at two targets, right, he had
Speaker 3: two targets and two catches for nineteen yards, So it
Speaker 3: ain't on him. And what I will say is what
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'll have to I'll have to
Speaker 3: defer on this one because I haven't still a chance
Speaker 3: to get to my film yet.
Speaker 7: Come on, crazy, system isn't working.
Speaker 3: But but I haven't been able to see was he
Speaker 3: not getting open? Where there are bad routes? I know
Speaker 3: at least one player I saw in real time he
Speaker 3: was wide open. Now the playmate, now I've been to
Speaker 3: designed for him, so I get all that. But but
Speaker 3: but my point is, I think there are opportunities that
Speaker 3: I think are being left on the field when it
Speaker 3: comes to Brandon Cooks. And to me, that's where I
Speaker 3: want to see more for the receiver position. I'm glad.
Speaker 3: I think the third wide receiver position, I think you've
Speaker 3: upgraded from what you were getting out of Michael Gallup
Speaker 3: at the point at the end of his career, and
Speaker 3: so I do think that improves, but they got to
Speaker 3: get more. They got to figure out how to get
Speaker 3: Cooks more involved in.
Speaker 4: The Cooks was he was open and some of those
Speaker 4: and that just doesn't always get him the ball. That's
Speaker 4: something that's it's it's it's mind blowing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes his speed is a difference maker.
Speaker 4: It is difference maker, it really really is. And the
Speaker 4: thing the only issue that I had with Tolbert in
Speaker 4: that game, I wish the ball he would just extend
Speaker 4: it for that ball went right before the half when
Speaker 4: Dak threw it to him along the sideline. Yeah, by
Speaker 4: waiting on the ball, he let Tyron Matthew have a
Speaker 4: run at him, you know. And if he if he
Speaker 4: extends it, secures it, then gets down or gets out
Speaker 4: of bounce, maybe he doesn't take that hit. Then I mean,
Speaker 4: that's a big play right there. Now, you you know,
Speaker 4: now you've got yourself into position where you can throw
Speaker 4: it at the end zone. A couple of plays later,
Speaker 4: what happens they throw the interception, you know, and so
Speaker 4: you kind of needed to make that play, you know,
Speaker 4: just just extend your hands, reach for the ball, don't
Speaker 4: wait for it to get to you and then try
Speaker 4: and do something with it. But that was really the
Speaker 4: only one where I felt like that he kind of
Speaker 4: lets you down on a play. Other than that, all.
Speaker 6: Of those catches that he had to me, I guess
Speaker 6: maybe because my expectations are lower based on what I
Speaker 6: saw last.
Speaker 7: Year, but I was like, oh, okay, there you go.
Speaker 4: Well it was very gallup, like yeah, that vertical pass
Speaker 4: like that, but he.
Speaker 3: Gave you some plays in world there were harder catches
Speaker 3: to make, so I was happy with what he did
Speaker 3: in this game.
Speaker 4: Derek, I'm coming back to you on this one. Do
Speaker 4: you feel as if you can now rely on Luke's
Speaker 4: schoon maker from what you saw?
Speaker 3: Well, let me say this, I think I think for
Speaker 3: what he was asked to asked to do this game,
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty good. I think he gave
Speaker 3: you He gave the quarterback an outlet in situations where
Speaker 3: you need to be able to get the ball to
Speaker 3: the tight end. So from that standpoint, I think he
Speaker 3: was fine. I still don't think he has that ability
Speaker 3: that that that we've grown accustomed to with being able
Speaker 3: to catch up the stuff that you can get where
Speaker 3: you get the ball in his hands and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden he turns up Phil. He's supposed to be tackled,
Speaker 3: but he's not tackled. He's still running. I think that's
Speaker 3: the part that I think we're missing a little bit
Speaker 3: without Ferguson, and I would want to see that again.
Speaker 3: If you talk about my expectations of what I would
Speaker 3: have thought for a second round tight end would be,
Speaker 3: I would get a little bit more of that. But
Speaker 3: all things being considered, it's a step in the right direction.
Speaker 3: He's growing in the right direction, and you talk about
Speaker 3: it all the time. I mean, we have veried tight
Speaker 3: ends around.
Speaker 4: Him over the years, and then it takes it.
Speaker 3: Just takes a little bit of time and then eventually
Speaker 3: they get it. So I'm very happy with the progress
Speaker 3: of what I saw in this game versus what I've
Speaker 3: been seeing before.
Speaker 4: You feel that if you can now rely on Luke
Speaker 4: schoon Maker.
Speaker 3: A little more.
Speaker 6: For a game, sure don't extend the past that I
Speaker 6: will say. I do give him credit because he has
Speaker 6: developed and despite all the little injuries here and there
Speaker 6: that he's dealt with since the moment he got here,
Speaker 6: he's maintained his will to participate, to learn to do
Speaker 6: what he can in part of the recovery and I
Speaker 6: miss out whatever is happening on the field. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, I'm totally with Derek and what you said.
Speaker 6: You still don't have that level of athleticism that you
Speaker 6: get with the guy like Jake Ferguson, So you are
Speaker 6: missing that spark in that dynamic in the offense. But
Speaker 6: I think he's a guy like you can rely on
Speaker 6: emergency type of same scenario of like Cooper rush you, you don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's actually a good.
Speaker 6: You're good for like a couple of games, but don't
Speaker 6: make it a habit. You know, let's let's let's get
Speaker 6: our starter back and healthy and back in there. Because
Speaker 6: he just elevates and he just it takes the offense
Speaker 6: to another level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like how you put that because essentially what
Speaker 3: you're saying is he's not gonna hurt you, Like, he'll
Speaker 3: be fine. He can play the role, he can give
Speaker 3: you a little something. He's not gonna hurt you. He
Speaker 3: may not be the difference in a win versus a loss,
Speaker 3: but he certainly isn't going to hurt you. And that's
Speaker 3: a good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think in this game he was always like
Speaker 4: to say that he was a plus player, and you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes if you're a negative player, you're you're you're gonna
Speaker 4: get beat with a negative player. I feel like in
Speaker 4: this game he was a plus player that he wasn't
Speaker 4: doing anything that was getting you killed. In this game,
Speaker 4: he wasn't making his job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can ask you this question. Sure, and I
Speaker 3: assume you've gotten access to the film at this point.
Speaker 3: I don't know how right I'm like, but anyway, what
Speaker 3: if you what do you see from him from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of blocking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a couple of times where they ran
Speaker 4: you know, they ran the reverse with it down down
Speaker 4: in the red zone where he or actually assume it
Speaker 4: was the flip play that they made with Zeke. They
Speaker 4: tried to run kind of the option and it was
Speaker 4: an example of him release and because they blocked the inman,
Speaker 4: they let the in man on the line of scrimmage
Speaker 4: go and then he was up on the second level.
Speaker 4: He could do a pretty good job when he has
Speaker 4: to play in space that way. You know, that's something
Speaker 4: that if he comes off the ball, he can engage
Speaker 4: and and and and hand fight that way, he's going
Speaker 4: to have to work on the aspect of the of
Speaker 4: getting his nose in there and and he will tribe.
Speaker 4: He just doesn't have that snap right now. Where you
Speaker 4: watch the way the Saints were blocking your edges with
Speaker 4: their big guys. They you could see them getting you know,
Speaker 4: they hook their guy, they get movement, they turn them,
Speaker 4: and he's trying his best. His movements come from his
Speaker 4: ability to move with so the guy's moving and then
Speaker 4: he's moving with the guy. That's where he's at his best.
Speaker 4: But to just come off the ball and this flat
Speaker 4: back somebody and try and and get him out of
Speaker 4: there right now, that's just not where he's at his game. Okay, uh,
Speaker 4: I'll go with you on this one, Derek or who
Speaker 4: would go first? Last time I was it was Derek.
Speaker 4: I think I'll go with you Ambar on this one.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to kind of back and forth here for
Speaker 4: you talk too much. Should we amber? Should we be
Speaker 4: concerned about Zach Martin?
Speaker 7: You know, this thought had not crossed my mind.
Speaker 4: That's why I am until.
Speaker 3: We have died into the mind of Brian.
Speaker 7: It's carrying there. I don't want to be there.
Speaker 6: Take me out, take me back out.
Speaker 7: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: Because I've learned something. By the way, whenever you say
Speaker 4: that's a great question, you're fishing for an answer.
Speaker 3: Because it's a great question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard when every time he hear space, well,
Speaker 4: that's a great question, you're fishing for an answer.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: I think we all new going into this season that
Speaker 6: this might be Zach Martin's last year with the team.
Speaker 6: I think that's a topic of conversation that was lightly
Speaker 6: talked about earlier the like during training camp in that time,
Speaker 6: so it is something to definitely consider. You see some
Speaker 6: of the plays I even noticed a few times, and again,
Speaker 6: Derek and I have not been able to watch the
Speaker 6: freaking film because the system is not working.
Speaker 4: It works for me. I don't know how, but it
Speaker 4: knows not to mess with me.
Speaker 1: In the game.
Speaker 6: I did see live a few plays where it was
Speaker 6: unlike Szack Martin, you know, like there were certain places.
Speaker 4: There you see knocked the ball at his Dack's hands,
Speaker 4: and then there was a crazy fumble that Tolbert recovered
Speaker 4: that I didn't expect Zach Martin to kind of get
Speaker 4: pushed in a way that could be closer.
Speaker 6: It braces an eyebro. You're like Okay, I wouldn't expect
Speaker 6: that from him. He displayed at such a high level
Speaker 6: all throughout his career that anything that starts being lower
Speaker 6: than that, you're like, all right, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong. He's still a guy that I
Speaker 6: want all year long, and he's still a guy that's
Speaker 6: gonna give you his best. But maybe and I don't
Speaker 6: want to say this because it's too soon for me
Speaker 6: to even speak those words out of my mouth, because
Speaker 6: I highly respect him and I admire him, But it
Speaker 6: is something to keep an eye on in the next
Speaker 6: few weeks because it might be something that starts trending
Speaker 6: that way. And not because nothing against him, but age
Speaker 6: hits at a certain time.
Speaker 7: You're giving so much to the.
Speaker 6: Game that it's only natural that you you start missing
Speaker 6: some of those those plays.
Speaker 7: But let's let's keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is you look at him
Speaker 3: and you're like, when you have a player that plays,
Speaker 3: it's such a high light their career. It's like it
Speaker 3: happened with Tyron Smith, right. He plays at such a
Speaker 3: high level that when he gets a little older and
Speaker 3: he's not that player anymore, and now he's doing their
Speaker 3: normal things that happen. To the normal exact and even
Speaker 3: to the pro guard, he looks like a Pro Bowl
Speaker 3: guard exactly exactly, and so you're like and so. But
Speaker 3: but for us, we're like, well, wait, how did you
Speaker 3: beat exactly like so? So it is very jarring to
Speaker 3: see it, and I think that's part of what we're
Speaker 3: what we're seeing right now. I don't think he's Zach
Speaker 3: Martin from from early in his career when he was
Speaker 3: absolutely the best offensive guard in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's that necessarily anymore. But I will
Speaker 3: still take him where he is right now, above the alternatives.
Speaker 3: And I think you got some good guards on this team.
Speaker 3: I still think I would take him above those guys
Speaker 3: because I still think he's playing at a high level.
Speaker 3: It's just not the highest level necessary.
Speaker 6: It's more of us having to adjust our own personal
Speaker 6: expectations of him.
Speaker 7: And while we've been used to watching.
Speaker 3: Right, that's the thing you got to remember, our offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you could have seventy plays, Oh no,
Speaker 3: you do everything right, and one or two and then
Speaker 3: all of yeah, and then all of a sudden, you're like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, what's happening with this player. But it's
Speaker 3: like you look at the percentage, it's a pretty good game.
Speaker 3: It depends on what happened on those one or two plays.
Speaker 3: If quarterback got hurt, that's a horrible game.
Speaker 4: Right, YEA sixty seven pluses and three minuses in the
Speaker 4: one minus gotch you being right exactly? We have time
Speaker 4: for one more question. Yeah, one more Okay, I'll ask
Speaker 4: you this question, Derek is well, Mike Zimber, figure out
Speaker 4: how to get over Shown on the field more in
Speaker 4: base packages.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, it's going to happen. And the reason why
Speaker 3: it's going to happen is number one, because I think
Speaker 3: they all believe that Demarveion over Shown. It's a player,
Speaker 3: and you find ways to get players on the field.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you get into games, and Brian, you knows as
Speaker 3: much as anybody, you get into games and you kind
Speaker 3: of follow your game plan. Well, if we're in base,
Speaker 3: you're not on the field, right and and and then
Speaker 3: a team does something where they keep you in base
Speaker 3: and you get in the game, you look at the statue,
Speaker 3: you're like, he only played eighteen Okay, we ain't doing
Speaker 3: that no more. Right, Now, let's mix him into the
Speaker 3: base like. I think that'll be the way they look
Speaker 3: at it. I think my expectation at least will be
Speaker 3: that going forward, he'll be a part of some base packages.
Speaker 3: They will figure out ways to get him on the
Speaker 3: field rather than have him on the sideline, just because
Speaker 3: here was kind of our game plan into this one.
Speaker 3: Another team does this to us, We're going to figure
Speaker 3: out a way to get him on the field. That's
Speaker 3: how I look at it.
Speaker 6: I like that, but I agree, and it's something like,
Speaker 6: how can you not after you go in, come back
Speaker 6: into the building and watch film and're like okay, And
Speaker 6: then the times that he has been on the field again,
Speaker 6: this past game wasn't a great game.
Speaker 7: We all saw that. We all witnessed what we saw.
Speaker 6: But you can't take away that he has been pretty
Speaker 6: impressive so far, given that he was out a whole
Speaker 6: year coming back in and he's been explosive, He moves
Speaker 6: around so well, he's doing He's playing so much better
Speaker 6: than what I thought he would be. I thought he
Speaker 6: would take him a few more weeks to kind of
Speaker 6: get going, but he's been so good overall. Again, taken
Speaker 6: to kind of consideration, what happened last week and everybody
Speaker 6: play bad, but he's still very athletic. And again, I
Speaker 6: think that after you look at the game, watch film
Speaker 6: and see the overall results, there's no way that you
Speaker 6: cannot be like, Okay, let's figure out how to keep
Speaker 6: him more man.
Speaker 4: They love Luifell, they love they love him, and it
Speaker 4: might be because of his spot. So I will be
Speaker 4: interested to see. I think you guys are going down
Speaker 4: the right path. I'll be interested if they if they
Speaker 4: if they adjusted though that quick.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this and I'm gonna throw this.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna save this question for tomorrow when we talk
Speaker 3: about the Cowboys defense and how they match up against Baltimore.
Speaker 3: But should there be a consideration at some point to
Speaker 3: where you get over shown more on the field in
Speaker 3: favor of maybe having on the side. That's a question
Speaker 3: that we should talk about, absolutely, because I do think
Speaker 3: that there's some there's some thought there, there's who are
Speaker 3: the guys that should be on the field. How much
Speaker 3: I think there's some conversation.
Speaker 4: You absolutely that, like you say, if they're gonna they
Speaker 4: probably will it will see because the Ravens are a
Speaker 4: team that will get into the twenty one and twenty
Speaker 4: two personnel stuff. And if that's the case, how do
Speaker 4: they respond this way? They play their base defense that way.
Speaker 4: But I think it's I think it's gonna happen. I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's gonna be this week or how soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about that tomorrow. Thank you, all right, Brian,
Speaker 3: appreciate that that was good, good segment, good questions. They're
Speaker 3: good answers.
Speaker 7: Amber you too, Derek Eingleton.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that. It's nice to hear compliments.
Speaker 3: This time's coming from.
Speaker 6: You, all right, and listen to you guys. The fans
Speaker 6: will make sure that Derek sticks to his word on
Speaker 6: this upcoming segment.
Speaker 7: So sending your questions, all right.
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Speaker 16: What up, guys, Brian. Some things for y'all to think about.
Speaker 16: If you're talking about the younger players, we are looking
Speaker 16: at JK. Dobbins leading the league for one point one million.
Speaker 16: Zeke is down in the twenties for three million. Tobert
Speaker 16: had to come back for that ball and make an
Speaker 16: incredible catch. That ball was underthrown and he was starting
Speaker 16: to separate. The ball was thrown at Zeke's feet for
Speaker 16: a touch for a possible touchdown, possible touchdown to CD
Speaker 16: which if he had been led on the inside, the
Speaker 16: ball was overthrown into the outside. We know that Jerry
Speaker 16: had no choice.
Speaker 2: But to give Dak the money.
Speaker 16: My question to you guys, had he given them the
Speaker 16: money that they were going to get anyway and did
Speaker 16: get early restructured, you could have gotten some players if
Speaker 16: you were really all in so pounding on these young guys.
Speaker 16: Nobody ever mentions Terrence still had a horrible year last year,
Speaker 16: and he had a sack the other day. But we're
Speaker 16: talking about the young I get frustrated with his picking
Speaker 16: on the young guys. He likes the young guys because
Speaker 16: they're cheaper. Let's be honest, Well, I don't.
Speaker 4: Think we're picking on the young guys at all. I
Speaker 4: think that you know that Mike McCarthy brought it up
Speaker 4: in his press conference yesterday, and we're just commenting on
Speaker 4: the fact that they are playing with a lot of
Speaker 4: young guys, and when you play with young guys, you're
Speaker 4: potentially going to have mistakes. I don't think we were
Speaker 4: going after any of these kids.
Speaker 3: And not only that, let's also mention yesterday when we
Speaker 3: talked about on the show. There were plenty of veteran
Speaker 3: guys and Brian you Ms earlier veteran guys that have
Speaker 3: problems yesterday. Absolutely, this was not a this was not
Speaker 3: just a young guy problem. Quite frankly, the young guys
Speaker 3: are the part you feel better about because you feel
Speaker 3: like they're going to be better. That's what's talking about.
Speaker 3: Better guys are the ones I'm a little more worried about,
Speaker 3: Like when you got those defensive tackles Phillips and and
Speaker 3: and Lynn Vald Joseph and the play games that they played. Sure,
Speaker 3: I'm a little more concerned about them than I am
Speaker 3: a young guy, But I do want to also point
Speaker 3: out something real quick. On that play you mentioned that
Speaker 3: the caller mentioned about he should have led Lamb. It's
Speaker 3: it's since that time, there's been some conversations that have
Speaker 3: made it pretty apparent that it was the wrong route,
Speaker 3: like he should have stayed more upfield, and Dak was
Speaker 3: throwing to the spot he should have been throwing to,
Speaker 3: so I'd be careful throwing that one on the Dak ledger. Yes,
Speaker 3: Dak missed Zeke on that throw, and Dak wasn't perfect yesterday,
Speaker 3: but on that particular pass. I would be careful giving
Speaker 3: that on giving that to dak Ye. All right, let's
Speaker 3: get a call from Carmen in New Jersey. There, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what's up.
Speaker 16: How are you doing good?
Speaker 2: How are you good?
Speaker 4: You're on the air, sir.
Speaker 17: I'm sorry. I agree with everything you guys say, the
Speaker 17: top notch. The only thing is, I know we're worried
Speaker 17: about running backs and wide receivers. I just can't see
Speaker 17: us doing anything but stopping to run unless we get
Speaker 17: a better DT. What do you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for Carl.
Speaker 4: He feels like that. And this is the general managers
Speaker 4: thoughts this morning was that he they feel like that
Speaker 4: they have the personnel to be able to play now.
Speaker 4: And I've said this yesterday. I've said on a couple
Speaker 4: of different platforms. Now, if you don't protect these linebackers,
Speaker 4: you're not going to be a very good run defense
Speaker 4: because I don't think you're gonna be able to add anything.
Speaker 4: You know, And if I steered you wrong about Jordan Phillips,
Speaker 4: I apologize to you guys for that. But the the
Speaker 4: things that you know with Joseph and you know and
Speaker 4: and and you know Phillips and guys like that and
Speaker 4: Mazy and and Osa. You know, yeah, they've got to
Speaker 4: do a better job because your your your key to
Speaker 4: stop in the run is going to be your linebackers'
Speaker 4: ability to free up and go get the ball. You know.
Speaker 4: But if they're dealing with blockers all day, and there's
Speaker 4: certain amount of blockers that are going to have to
Speaker 4: deal with in games. But if you just let linemen
Speaker 4: have free run at your linebackers, it doesn't matter. You
Speaker 4: could have you could have Aaron Donald playing defensive tackle.
Speaker 4: It ain't gonna matter, you know, because your your linebackers
Speaker 4: are going to be the key to this defense. And
Speaker 4: when you're gonna play a good run defense, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be it's gonna be Kendrick's playing downhill. It's gonna be
Speaker 4: lea foul playing downhill. It's gonna be Overshown playing down hill.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Micah when he's off ball linebacker playing downhill.
Speaker 4: You know, that's where this thing is going to have
Speaker 4: to get better, because you're not going to be able
Speaker 4: to go out and add a defensive tackle. And you know,
Speaker 4: to to their credit, yes, you have to give them
Speaker 4: they forever were never going to draft a defensive tackle
Speaker 4: in the first round. It just so happens that they
Speaker 4: have one right now that's really really struggling. That's you know,
Speaker 4: the you know, they tried, they tried, they they it
Speaker 4: looks like at this point in time that they might
Speaker 4: not have got the right guy. You know, let's see
Speaker 4: what happens. But uh, you know it's they they made
Speaker 4: an effort to do it. And you'll say, well, damn
Speaker 4: brought us. They went out and got a bunch of
Speaker 4: cheap dudes at the end in August and all said, well,
Speaker 4: I hate to say this, but maybe it can have
Speaker 4: even been worse than what we saw the other day.
Speaker 4: If you were playing with some of the guys that
Speaker 4: you were going to plan on playing with, it could
Speaker 4: have that could have maybe been a lot worse. So
Speaker 4: if you don't keep these linebackers free, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: You won't be able to play any run defense.
Speaker 3: And quite frankly, I think that's across the league. I
Speaker 3: think that's just the nature defense. If your linebackers are
Speaker 3: fighting offensive lineman all day, all, that's going to be
Speaker 3: a problems, be a problem. You've got to have guys
Speaker 3: in the front that could eat up blocks that's really
Speaker 3: especially for the Cowboys. You think about there, the strength
Speaker 3: of their linebackers is their speed and their ability to
Speaker 3: kind of get places. If they're fighting offensive lineman all day,
Speaker 3: it will not be good.
Speaker 4: It will not matter.
Speaker 3: Let's get a one more phone call from blind Man
Speaker 3: in North Carolina. Blindman, what what's up?
Speaker 2: Hey? It's Greg. First time caller listening to Brian on
Speaker 2: different platforms. I really love his show. Appreciate that, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, damn, Brian, we've got a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of old guys in August.
Speaker 4: How about that we did?
Speaker 2: You know? I just want to bring up one point.
Speaker 2: You know, when you have everybody that works for you
Speaker 2: on a deal that's going to end that year, I
Speaker 2: expect him to go out with the best put to plan,
Speaker 2: to coordinate, to coach. I mean, when you're scared of
Speaker 2: losing your job from week to week, you can't expect
Speaker 2: the best. And that's all I got. Thanks so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I appreciate what you're saying, But you
Speaker 4: go into this business not, you know, thinking that you
Speaker 4: have any type of security. Think about the coordinators at
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Eagles last year. Both those guys probably had
Speaker 4: three year deals. You know, ownership said.
Speaker 3: Felt like that security.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff Leury, you know, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 4: do this. You know, we're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna give
Speaker 4: you the opportunity to come in and coach Brian Johnson
Speaker 4: those guys. You know what happened first year, Both those
Speaker 4: guys gone this league. There's no guarantees, there's no promises.
Speaker 4: You know, you coach really year to year, you really do,
Speaker 4: especially with the way that some of these front offices now.
Speaker 4: The one thing here is, you know, this group is
Speaker 4: pretty locked in when the cubs of the front office,
Speaker 4: but they're locked in and they're locked in with the Giants.
Speaker 4: They're locked in with Pittsburgh, they're locked in with Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: They're a lot of teams that have the way that structure,
Speaker 4: very similar structure to what you have here. You know,
Speaker 4: So if you're a coach a scout, you do not
Speaker 4: expect to have multiple years to get things done. You
Speaker 4: just don't. You're always working with the darkness over you
Speaker 4: that this could be your last day.
Speaker 3: And I think also when you think about the psychology
Speaker 3: of humans, there are kind of two phrases that we've
Speaker 3: heard before when it comes to pressure, pressure bus pipes
Speaker 3: and pressure makes diamonds right, And it depends on what
Speaker 3: kind of person you are. You know, some people respond
Speaker 3: to pressure in a positive way, some people respond to
Speaker 3: pressure in a negative way. It just depends on what
Speaker 3: kind of person you are. I don't know. I've haven't
Speaker 3: had that experience with this particular group to know how
Speaker 3: they're going to respond to it. But some people really
Speaker 3: excel from that. And I know Jerry's talked about in
Speaker 3: the past like sometimes he wants to create that kind
Speaker 3: of pressure to see how people respond, and whether that's
Speaker 3: the right approach or not. Who knows for this group.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is there is a possibility that Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy is the type that you give him that added pressure,
Speaker 3: he's going to step up to the occasion. I just
Speaker 3: don't know that.
Speaker 6: I think it brings a different fire in you because
Speaker 6: you either want to prove them wrong. And also, even
Speaker 6: if it wasn't here, you're still having to show up
Speaker 6: for something for those that might be able to hire you.
Speaker 6: So it's just like with players coming out right right,
Speaker 6: you got to present something good, regardless whether it is
Speaker 6: to stay here or for somebody else to come in
Speaker 6: and hire you. So I think it would it's completely different.
Speaker 6: I think you performer at a different level. Rather than
Speaker 6: having that job security that you're like, people would be like, oh,
Speaker 6: well they're not going to lose their job.
Speaker 7: They still they're still gonna be here regardless.
Speaker 4: There's some satisfaction knowing that you did a job well
Speaker 4: done despite feeling like the people who or your bosses
Speaker 4: didn't feel like that you were going to be able
Speaker 4: to do it. There's some satisfaction to that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, guy, Joing. So we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We're gonna start diving into Cowboys versus Ravens. Brian will
Speaker 3: have the breakdown of the Ravens offense versus the Dallas defense.
Speaker 3: That will be a very interesting matchup. Till then, for
Speaker 3: I'm brought us Ambergarci, I'm Derek Eagles and this has
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