1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Cowboys, Let's go. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 4: Yes? 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: We were on. 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: With mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: It is Tuesday, September seventeenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: episode number thirty one. Welcome to the latest edition of 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: The Break. We're live from that WBC Mortgage Studios at 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: the Start, presented by LG. LG is the world's number 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 3: one OLED TV brand for eleven years in counting. See 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: why at LG dot Com Forward slash O led Evo. 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: All right, let's go. We got lots of things we're 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: gonna get into today. Cowboys are into now starting to 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: flip the page from the debacle that was last Sunday 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: versus the Saints, and as of tomorrow, will start on 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: their preparation for the upcoming game against the Baltimore Ravens. Yesterday, 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy had his time with the media and there 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: were a couple of things that came out of that, 25 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 3: as well as Jerry Jones this morning on Sean RJ 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: and Bobby where he had a couple comments. But we'll 27 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: talk about a little bit a little bit about those things. 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: Brian in the second segment is going to have a 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: game for us. He's got some questions. We'll go into 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: the mind of Brian brought us. And then finally in 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: the third segment, we will take some time, much to 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: the chagrin of Amber, We'll take some time to let 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: you guys sound that means you didn't like the idea, 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: but we're gonna go anyway. And I really want to 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: advocate for our fans here and give him an opportunity 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: to call in and so you're justly and talk to us, 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: and you got to be able to call us. 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: Through this. 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: We want you to call us eight eight five five. 40 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 6: To you need to advocate for the fans. We will 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 6: try to make Tuesday a day that you can actually 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 6: reach out. Yes and Wolf, make Derek make time for 43 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 6: you guys, because ever since this podcast that NICKI what 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 6: does it call again? 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 4: Storyline? 46 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 7: Storyline? 47 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 3: You just want to take a shot at Nick storylines. 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 6: It's we can talk to the fans too. Okay, let's 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 6: give them a voice here. 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: We just can't give them T shirts. 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: Derek is too cheap, so he won't allow us to 52 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 6: come up with shirts to give away. 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: No, we only do shirts on storyline, and we only 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: do that once. All right, let's let's jump in. Let's 55 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: talk about Mike McCarthy. Yesterday, he had his time with 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: the media. One thing he talked about, uh, this was 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: a reaction to the loss. He said, we look like 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: a young, inexperienced football team, calling them veterans to make 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: an impact mentally and physically. Were the problems as you 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: went back and looked at it, were the problems that 61 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: you saw related to youth and an experience? 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when we went through we'd started talking 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 4: about miss blocks, guys stumbling on routes, you know, guys 64 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: not extending for the ball, left tackle, center, you know, 65 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: how about your how about Mayr Sleafal at linebacker? Yeah, 66 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: they got a lot of young guys playing, and that 67 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: was something I felt like that when he said it, 68 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 4: I it was a very clear picture that they are 69 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 4: relying on a lot of young guys to play, and 70 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: and that's no excuse, but young guys. They're going to 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 4: make mistakes. They're not going to get the blocks all 72 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 4: the time. They're not going to run the right routes 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 4: all the time. They're they're going to jump around blocks. 74 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: They're going to play like they're at Oklahoma or at 75 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 4: Notre Dame or South Carolina and into these other places 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 4: with those Yeah, yeah, you know, it's a little bit different. 77 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that if that's part of the 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: that's part of the the hazard of playing young guys 79 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: is they they will eventually go from being guys inexperience 80 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 4: to having experience, and you know, you hate to have 81 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 4: a game where, you know, but there was a there 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 4: was a lot wrong with really the whole team. It 83 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: wasn't just the young guys, but it was pretty evident 84 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 4: when you watch the tape that there were young guys 85 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: in positions or that they put in position to make 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: plays that for their first time, it was it was 87 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 4: a little bit of a daunting task. 88 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 6: You know, I give a lot of credit to all 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 6: these younger players and what they're doing. Again, you're you 90 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 6: took a gamble in the offseason. You took a gamble 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 6: during free agency and decided to go the drafting route 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 6: once again and rely on that. And that's a big 93 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 6: gamble that you take on putting hoping that these young 94 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 6: players can perform to the level that you need them 95 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 6: to perform. And just like Ryan mentioned, it's not it 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 6: wasn't just the young players. It was a collective thing 97 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 6: with everything exactly. But but the point is you knew 98 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 6: that going in. And I don't like to pressure these 99 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 6: young players and blame them and all that, because that's 100 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 6: completely unfair. I think they're doing a good job. There 101 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 6: is time for the development, growth and those kind of experiences. 102 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 7: You only get it through actual game day. 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 6: You can practice as much as you want on during 104 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 6: training camp, week to week practices, but the actual experience 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 6: and growth in that aspect just comes from actual game 106 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 6: day plays. And it's just that's that's what that's what 107 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 6: they're that's what they have, and that's what they got 108 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 6: to figure out and deal with. And it sucks to 109 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 6: be put in that situation, but there's no other way. 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: They eventually grow up. What you don't have is time, yeah, 111 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 4: and and and and what happens when you're a draft 112 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: and developed team is you're always going to go this route. 113 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 4: You're not going to you know, and especially if you have, uh, 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: the players on your roster that are the top players 115 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: in the league, you're gonna have to play with a 116 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: lot of younger guys. And and that's the way it 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: really is around all the league. And you know, the coaches, 118 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: they they you know, they're they have a lot of 119 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 4: faith in these kids. They have a lot of faith. 120 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 4: And I mean when they talk about lea foul and 121 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 4: they I mean, I remember his visiting with Mike Zimmer 122 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 4: at training camp, like, gosh, this kid gets it. He 123 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 4: understands that he's he's talented, you know that. And you're 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 4: going on and on and on and and they you know, 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: and then he plays in the game and then you're 126 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 4: kind of like, man, he looked like he missed this reader, 127 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: he missed that reader, he missed this. And I'm just 128 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 4: saying him, I'm not. 129 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: In general just a Gerald. 130 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys like could say Brooks 131 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: is a really young guy. Everybody is saying, oh, well, 132 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: Brooks is better than Tolbert Brooks. You know, they kept 133 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 4: saying Brooks, Brooks, Brooks, and You're like going, okay, well, 134 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: you know, Tolbert has a little bit more experience. But yeah, 135 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 4: let's go with Brooks. And you know, you miss a 136 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: block on the edge, you get overpowered there by the 137 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: nickel corner, and then you do you fall down running 138 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: on an inside route, Well, you can't fall down. That's 139 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 4: to be an interception. Ninety percent of the time. If 140 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: you're running an inbreaking route and you fall down, somebody 141 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: in the middle fields can intercept that ball. But those 142 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: are experience he has. He's like, Okay, I've got to 143 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: be a little bit more controlled on my brakes. I 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: got to make sure that when I plant that I 145 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 4: don't stumble. And I think a lot of guys it 146 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: was a very eye opening game for a lot of guys. 147 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: You know, as much where where Guidon's eye opening moment 148 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: was in Cleveland last week. When you watch Miles Garrett rush, 149 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: you're like, going, damn, this is the NFL. I'm not 150 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: blocking somebody from you know, Louisiana Monroe or any you know, 151 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: I'm blocking real dudes here right now. You no offense 152 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: to Louisiana Monroe. But you do what I'm saying there. 153 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's go on to a conversation that our 154 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: question that was asked about the effectiveness of the running game. 155 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy says, the run game is difficult. It's a 156 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: commitment to the run game. It's tough to play if 157 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: you don't play it all the time. But at the 158 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: end of the day, it all comes down to fundamentals. 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 3: Jerry followed up this morning when asked about the running games, 160 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: and he was specifically asked about Dalvin Cook. His respons was, 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily see a change that would involve Cook 162 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: this week. My question for you guys is does Dallas 163 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: need more commitment to the run or do they need 164 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: different personnel, because it really is I try it. It 165 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: could be both. 166 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: I tried to help you in week one. I tried 167 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 4: to help you in week one with game in hand 168 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: and just go ahead and try and work on the 169 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: running game. You know, there could have been a commitment there. 170 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: You know, this is where sometimes coaches drive me nuts, 171 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: where you talk about there needs to be a commitment. 172 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: There could have been a commitment in the second half 173 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 4: of the Browns game with game in hand. You knew 174 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 4: they weren't coming back on you. You know, if you 175 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: run the ball, run the ball, run the ball, and 176 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: you keep going three and out with Okay, now you 177 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: have an idea, we committed it to fix. Yeah, we 178 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: now understand that. To me, the running game was not 179 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 4: a problem in this game. You know why, because there 180 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: was no need to go to the running game. You 181 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 4: were behind twenty one to three, twenty one to six, 182 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: twenty eight to you know it, just this, you never 183 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: got to stop to where you know, now if the 184 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: game would have would it would have been able to 185 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 4: if you'd got closed and had got tight and you okay, 186 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: we've got to run the ball here to to try 187 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: and you know, get first downs and stuff like that. Yeah, okay, 188 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: I get it. That's but you were so the score 189 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: was so whacked and you weren't gonna stop them. The 190 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 4: only way you had a chance of coming back in 191 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 4: this game is throwing the football. Last week was the 192 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: week to work on the running game when the game 193 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 4: was in hand. You know that, that to me was 194 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: the missed opportunity. Even Zach Martin said that, you know, 195 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: don't you don't have to believe me, failed NFL scout. 196 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: Believe the guy that's playing right guard for you, he's 197 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 4: the one. We might have missed an opportunity there, you know, 198 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden if you, you know, maybe 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: we would have felt better about the running game if 200 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you're running against Cleveland at you know, 201 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: second half, and you're like, well, that's a pretty good 202 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: front seven you're running against right there. You know, now 203 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 4: we have this unknown feeling. We still have an unknown feeling, 204 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: even when we had a chance to maybe either say, hey, 205 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 4: this thing is going to be all right, or boy, 206 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: we're in an s load of trouble right now, you know, 207 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: and we don't know that. We're saying, well, you got 208 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: to be committed to it. Well, you could have committed 209 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: it to game in hand. You missed an opportunity there. 210 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 6: I think, yeah, that's exactly I mean, going into week three, 211 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 6: that's not an ideal situation to be in. And I 212 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 6: mean I would hope that we do see Dalvin Cook 213 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 6: going to this game, but because that at least gives you. 214 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 7: A new something to work with. 215 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 6: What you're putting on film right now, what you've put 216 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 6: on film this past two weeks. Who are you scary? 217 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 6: You're not scarying anybody. Like, no defensive coordinator is looking 218 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 6: at this game saying, oh man, we got to make 219 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 6: sure we stop them. From running the ball. It's not happening. 220 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 6: You haven't done it, you haven't shown or proved that 221 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 6: you can do it. And I've had faith going into 222 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 6: this game. I do still think that if they come 223 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 6: up with different ways to do it and be more 224 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 6: creative with it, that there is a possibility for these 225 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 6: running backs to be able to actually run the football 226 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 6: and be more effective than what they've been. But like 227 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 6: you say, Brian, they missed that chance week one, when 228 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: they the game, they had it in hand. 229 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 7: They could have tried different. 230 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 6: Things and have a better whether good or bad. Right, 231 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 6: you know, Okay, this is what we got and this 232 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 6: is what we can do. So again, hopefully this is 233 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 6: a week where we do see despite what Jerry Jones 234 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 6: commented and said, I hope we do see Darvin Cook 235 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 6: go in there and hopefully he's in good shape. He 236 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 6: is in good shape, he's healthy, but hopefully he can 237 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 6: add some spark and bring something else to the run game. 238 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 4: We're all learning about these metrics when you have backs, 239 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: but it's not just Zeke. When you have backs that 240 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: have not made anybody miss, that's a metric. That's the 241 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 4: stat they keep missed, you know, make people miss Dallas 242 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 4: both backs neither one. I think vond three. 243 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: I had seven last week, right, seven in game two? 244 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 4: Right, So you have in the game where you don't 245 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 4: have anybody miss and then all of a sudden, look 246 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: at ten yard runs. You know you're near the bottom 247 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: of the league in that. So to me, this week 248 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: was a you weren't going to run because there was 249 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: no reason to run. You were you were too far behind. 250 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: You're playing catchup. So it's still now here. We go 251 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 4: into week three and there's that that unknown factor. If 252 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: you run the ball, you're like, okay, great, But now 253 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: it's kind of like, well, how committed he talks about 254 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: being committed? How committed are you going to be? You 255 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: know going forward? That that's what bothers me out. Coaches 256 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 4: they say you have to be committed. Well, Mike, you 257 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: can make that call. You're the primary play caller. You 258 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: look down your play card and you say, okay, today 259 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 4: this series, I'm going to try this, I'm going to 260 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 4: try this, I'm going to do that, And you know, 261 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 4: I don't know, It's just I don't know why you'd 262 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 4: want to keep not knowing. 263 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 6: Well, also, in this game, I feel like how it's 264 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 6: going now it's starting to add that unnecessary pressure to 265 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 6: it where it's like, now maybe he sees himself being 266 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 6: forced to Okay, let's try to run the ball more, 267 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 6: even in situation where you don't necessarily want to. So 268 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 6: I think it starts with that added pressure. It starts 269 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 6: taking away from from the logic aspect of the game 270 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 6: and be more logical and the things in the plays 271 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 6: that you should run. 272 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: I will point this out Brian talking about those mistackles. 273 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: I think for this last game, Daddle, as I said, 274 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 3: had seven on four carries, which to me is not 275 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: a bad clip. That's a little better than what the 276 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: other guys are doing. You certainly want more, as you 277 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: were saying, we want more volume. I want to see 278 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: what that looks like if you get to fifteen carries 279 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: or twelve carries, even like having four carries is just 280 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: not enough. And I understand how the game played out, 281 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: but that did give me reason to believe that maybe 282 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: just make you and I can be right on this one, 283 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 3: that Donald can be a guy that can carry. They 284 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: just got to give him opportunity to do it. 285 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you're gonna see Dalvin Cook. I 286 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: really don't I don't know how they get him up. 287 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: That's that's the thing that Jerry. I mean, they're probably 288 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 4: looking at other situations, at other positions and stuff, and 289 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: probably feeling far more pressed than having Dalvin Cook up. 290 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't think a lot. 291 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 4: Of Dalvin Cook might be a break glass in case 292 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: of emergency. Guy and I you know they I don't know. 293 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: They probably don't look at it that way right now. 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: And quite frankly, as the season goes on again, I 295 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: don't know that any of these backs are the type 296 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: that really put fear, as you said, Amber in opposing defense. 297 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: So maybe the thought is hold Dalvin and it just 298 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: gives a new wrinkle later in the season as you 299 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: make if you need him or if you don't need him, 300 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: it's just a new rink. 301 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: Well, I don't I don't know, to be honest with you, 302 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if we can if I don't know 303 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: about the back. I think I have an idea about 304 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: the backs. I don't know about the line. I think 305 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 4: this running game could be really good because maybe the backs, 306 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 4: but the line could be awful, you know, Or it 307 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: could be a really good running game with the line 308 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: and the backs are not any good. That was my fear, 309 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 4: that that they were going to be able to create 310 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: lanes and holes and gaps and stuff, but they weren't 311 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: able to get somebody to and through the hole. That 312 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: was that was my big issue. There's so many still 313 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: we don't even know. 314 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: There's so many question marks when you think about the 315 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: offensive line and you think about the backs that it's 316 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: like everything has to go right right, There's so many 317 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: question marks, so many things that are not what you 318 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: thought they were, or you just didn't know because you 319 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: didn't have the experience of knowing. All right, let's go 320 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: ahead and uh and take our first break. We'll come back. 321 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: We'll get into the mind of Brian brought us. He's 322 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: got some great questions for us. 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Slash o Ledevil Welcome Back. 385 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 3: It is the second segment of The Break live from 386 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: the SWBC Mortgage studios. At the start of the segment, 387 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: brought to you by blockchain dot Com. All right, let's 388 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: go into the mind of Brian brought us which you 389 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: got for us. 390 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: I got a few questions for you guys, and I 391 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: know you guys will give me some good answers, So 392 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 4: here we go. Ag. I'll start with you, did Tolbert's 393 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 4: overall play make you feel better about the receivers behind lamb. 394 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 7: Um better than last year? 395 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 6: Yes, if we're comparing it, if we're using something to 396 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 6: compare it with, I think Tolbert has taken a step 397 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 6: up in his in the way that he plays branding Cooks. 398 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 6: He's still branding Cooks, and I mean he's still very 399 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 6: talented and skilled and fast and everything, and Tolbert, he 400 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 6: he's grown. And I would say, like if you look 401 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 6: at what happened last year, the way he played, and 402 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 6: also what they had in Michael Gallup last year, which 403 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 6: was not much. He never recovered from really from that 404 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 6: injury and what he was dealing with. But this year 405 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 6: and even some of the plays that we saw this 406 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 6: past weekend, I thought he's playing with more confidence, more 407 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 6: he's more assertive in the decisions that he's making. He 408 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 6: still needs to be better, but I think he I 409 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 6: feel a lot more comfortable with the receivers right now 410 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 6: behind Ceedy Land. 411 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: Do his overall play in that game make you feel 412 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 4: better about the receivers behind Lamb. 413 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: It's a two part question for me. I'm a two 414 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: point answer for me. I think I feel better about 415 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 3: the third wide receiver position than what I felt last 416 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: year about Michael Gallup. I still feel like the wide 417 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: receiver position isn't getting what it needs from Brandon Cooks 418 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: because I look at that and I'm like, giving him 419 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: two opportunities in a game where you're down by as 420 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: much as you were that. To me, you're not utilizing him. 421 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 7: You need he needs. I was gonna say, I mean, 422 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 7: are you putting it on him? 423 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: No, no, this is not this is not on him. 424 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: He has what happened at two targets, right, he had 425 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: two targets and two catches for nineteen yards, So it 426 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 3: ain't on him. And what I will say is what 427 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'll have to I'll have to 428 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: defer on this one because I haven't still a chance 429 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 3: to get to my film yet. 430 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 7: Come on, crazy, system isn't working. 431 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 3: But but I haven't been able to see was he 432 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: not getting open? Where there are bad routes? I know 433 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: at least one player I saw in real time he 434 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: was wide open. Now the playmate, now I've been to 435 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: designed for him, so I get all that. But but 436 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: but my point is, I think there are opportunities that 437 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: I think are being left on the field when it 438 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: comes to Brandon Cooks. And to me, that's where I 439 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: want to see more for the receiver position. I'm glad. 440 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: I think the third wide receiver position, I think you've 441 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 3: upgraded from what you were getting out of Michael Gallup 442 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: at the point at the end of his career, and 443 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: so I do think that improves, but they got to 444 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: get more. They got to figure out how to get 445 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 3: Cooks more involved in. 446 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 4: The Cooks was he was open and some of those 447 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: and that just doesn't always get him the ball. That's 448 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: something that's it's it's it's mind blowing. 449 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes his speed is a difference maker. 450 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 4: It is difference maker, it really really is. And the 451 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 4: thing the only issue that I had with Tolbert in 452 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: that game, I wish the ball he would just extend 453 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: it for that ball went right before the half when 454 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 4: Dak threw it to him along the sideline. Yeah, by 455 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: waiting on the ball, he let Tyron Matthew have a 456 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 4: run at him, you know. And if he if he 457 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: extends it, secures it, then gets down or gets out 458 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 4: of bounce, maybe he doesn't take that hit. Then I mean, 459 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: that's a big play right there. Now, you you know, 460 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 4: now you've got yourself into position where you can throw 461 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 4: it at the end zone. A couple of plays later, 462 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 4: what happens they throw the interception, you know, and so 463 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: you kind of needed to make that play, you know, 464 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: just just extend your hands, reach for the ball, don't 465 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: wait for it to get to you and then try 466 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 4: and do something with it. But that was really the 467 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: only one where I felt like that he kind of 468 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 4: lets you down on a play. Other than that, all. 469 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 6: Of those catches that he had to me, I guess 470 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 6: maybe because my expectations are lower based on what I 471 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 6: saw last. 472 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 7: Year, but I was like, oh, okay, there you go. 473 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 4: Well it was very gallup, like yeah, that vertical pass 474 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: like that, but he. 475 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: Gave you some plays in world there were harder catches 476 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 3: to make, so I was happy with what he did 477 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: in this game. 478 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: Derek, I'm coming back to you on this one. Do 479 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: you feel as if you can now rely on Luke's 480 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 4: schoon maker from what you saw? 481 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: Well, let me say this, I think I think for 482 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: what he was asked to asked to do this game, 483 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty good. I think he gave 484 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: you He gave the quarterback an outlet in situations where 485 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: you need to be able to get the ball to 486 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: the tight end. So from that standpoint, I think he 487 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 3: was fine. I still don't think he has that ability 488 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: that that that we've grown accustomed to with being able 489 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 3: to catch up the stuff that you can get where 490 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: you get the ball in his hands and all of 491 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: a sudden he turns up Phil. He's supposed to be tackled, 492 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: but he's not tackled. He's still running. I think that's 493 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 3: the part that I think we're missing a little bit 494 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: without Ferguson, and I would want to see that again. 495 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: If you talk about my expectations of what I would 496 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: have thought for a second round tight end would be, 497 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: I would get a little bit more of that. But 498 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: all things being considered, it's a step in the right direction. 499 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: He's growing in the right direction, and you talk about 500 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: it all the time. I mean, we have veried tight 501 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 3: ends around. 502 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 4: Him over the years, and then it takes it. 503 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: Just takes a little bit of time and then eventually 504 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: they get it. So I'm very happy with the progress 505 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: of what I saw in this game versus what I've 506 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 3: been seeing before. 507 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: You feel that if you can now rely on Luke 508 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 4: schoon Maker. 509 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: A little more. 510 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: For a game, sure don't extend the past that I 511 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 6: will say. I do give him credit because he has 512 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 6: developed and despite all the little injuries here and there 513 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 6: that he's dealt with since the moment he got here, 514 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 6: he's maintained his will to participate, to learn to do 515 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 6: what he can in part of the recovery and I 516 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 6: miss out whatever is happening on the field. But at 517 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 6: the same time, I'm totally with Derek and what you said. 518 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 6: You still don't have that level of athleticism that you 519 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 6: get with the guy like Jake Ferguson, So you are 520 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 6: missing that spark in that dynamic in the offense. But 521 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 6: I think he's a guy like you can rely on 522 00:24:53,160 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 6: emergency type of same scenario of like Cooper rush you, you don't. 523 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's actually a good. 524 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 6: You're good for like a couple of games, but don't 525 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 6: make it a habit. You know, let's let's let's get 526 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 6: our starter back and healthy and back in there. Because 527 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 6: he just elevates and he just it takes the offense 528 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 6: to another level. 529 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like how you put that because essentially what 530 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: you're saying is he's not gonna hurt you, Like, he'll 531 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: be fine. He can play the role, he can give 532 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: you a little something. He's not gonna hurt you. He 533 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: may not be the difference in a win versus a loss, 534 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 3: but he certainly isn't going to hurt you. And that's 535 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 3: a good. 536 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think in this game he was always like 537 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 4: to say that he was a plus player, and you know, 538 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: sometimes if you're a negative player, you're you're you're gonna 539 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: get beat with a negative player. I feel like in 540 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: this game he was a plus player that he wasn't 541 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: doing anything that was getting you killed. In this game, 542 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 4: he wasn't making his job. 543 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can ask you this question. Sure, and I 544 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 3: assume you've gotten access to the film at this point. 545 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 3: I don't know how right I'm like, but anyway, what 546 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 3: if you what do you see from him from the 547 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: standpoint of blocking. 548 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a couple of times where they ran 549 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 4: you know, they ran the reverse with it down down 550 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: in the red zone where he or actually assume it 551 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 4: was the flip play that they made with Zeke. They 552 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: tried to run kind of the option and it was 553 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 4: an example of him release and because they blocked the inman, 554 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 4: they let the in man on the line of scrimmage 555 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: go and then he was up on the second level. 556 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 4: He could do a pretty good job when he has 557 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: to play in space that way. You know, that's something 558 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 4: that if he comes off the ball, he can engage 559 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 4: and and and and hand fight that way, he's going 560 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 4: to have to work on the aspect of the of 561 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 4: getting his nose in there and and he will tribe. 562 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 4: He just doesn't have that snap right now. Where you 563 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: watch the way the Saints were blocking your edges with 564 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 4: their big guys. They you could see them getting you know, 565 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 4: they hook their guy, they get movement, they turn them, 566 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: and he's trying his best. His movements come from his 567 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 4: ability to move with so the guy's moving and then 568 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 4: he's moving with the guy. That's where he's at his best. 569 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: But to just come off the ball and this flat 570 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 4: back somebody and try and and get him out of 571 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 4: there right now, that's just not where he's at his game. Okay, uh, 572 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 4: I'll go with you on this one, Derek or who 573 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 4: would go first? Last time I was it was Derek. 574 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 4: I think I'll go with you Ambar on this one. 575 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: I'm trying to kind of back and forth here for 576 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 4: you talk too much. Should we amber? Should we be 577 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: concerned about Zach Martin? 578 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 7: You know, this thought had not crossed my mind. 579 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 4: That's why I am until. 580 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: We have died into the mind of Brian. 581 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 7: It's carrying there. I don't want to be there. 582 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 6: Take me out, take me back out. 583 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 7: It's a great question. 584 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 4: Because I've learned something. By the way, whenever you say 585 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 4: that's a great question, you're fishing for an answer. 586 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: Because it's a great question. 587 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard when every time he hear space, well, 588 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: that's a great question, you're fishing for an answer. 589 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: Well. 590 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 6: I think we all new going into this season that 591 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 6: this might be Zach Martin's last year with the team. 592 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 6: I think that's a topic of conversation that was lightly 593 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 6: talked about earlier the like during training camp in that time, 594 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 6: so it is something to definitely consider. You see some 595 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 6: of the plays I even noticed a few times, and again, 596 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 6: Derek and I have not been able to watch the 597 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 6: freaking film because the system is not working. 598 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: It works for me. I don't know how, but it 599 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: knows not to mess with me. 600 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: In the game. 601 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 6: I did see live a few plays where it was 602 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 6: unlike Szack Martin, you know, like there were certain places. 603 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 4: There you see knocked the ball at his Dack's hands, 604 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 4: and then there was a crazy fumble that Tolbert recovered 605 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: that I didn't expect Zach Martin to kind of get 606 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 4: pushed in a way that could be closer. 607 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 6: It braces an eyebro. You're like Okay, I wouldn't expect 608 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 6: that from him. He displayed at such a high level 609 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 6: all throughout his career that anything that starts being lower 610 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: than that, you're like, all right, hold on, hold on, 611 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 6: don't get me wrong. He's still a guy that I 612 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 6: want all year long, and he's still a guy that's 613 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 6: gonna give you his best. But maybe and I don't 614 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 6: want to say this because it's too soon for me 615 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: to even speak those words out of my mouth, because 616 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 6: I highly respect him and I admire him, But it 617 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 6: is something to keep an eye on in the next 618 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 6: few weeks because it might be something that starts trending 619 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 6: that way. And not because nothing against him, but age 620 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 6: hits at a certain time. 621 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 7: You're giving so much to the. 622 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 6: Game that it's only natural that you you start missing 623 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 6: some of those those plays. 624 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 7: But let's let's keep an eye on that. 625 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 626 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: I think part of it is you look at him 627 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 3: and you're like, when you have a player that plays, 628 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 3: it's such a high light their career. It's like it 629 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: happened with Tyron Smith, right. He plays at such a 630 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: high level that when he gets a little older and 631 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: he's not that player anymore, and now he's doing their 632 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: normal things that happen. To the normal exact and even 633 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 3: to the pro guard, he looks like a Pro Bowl 634 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 3: guard exactly exactly, and so you're like and so. But 635 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: but for us, we're like, well, wait, how did you 636 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: beat exactly like so? So it is very jarring to 637 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: see it, and I think that's part of what we're 638 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: what we're seeing right now. I don't think he's Zach 639 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: Martin from from early in his career when he was 640 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: absolutely the best offensive guard in the National Football League. 641 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 3: I don't think he's that necessarily anymore. But I will 642 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: still take him where he is right now, above the alternatives. 643 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: And I think you got some good guards on this team. 644 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 3: I still think I would take him above those guys 645 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: because I still think he's playing at a high level. 646 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: It's just not the highest level necessary. 647 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 6: It's more of us having to adjust our own personal 648 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 6: expectations of him. 649 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 7: And while we've been used to watching. 650 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: Right, that's the thing you got to remember, our offensive lineman. 651 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 3: It's you know, you could have seventy plays, Oh no, 652 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 3: you do everything right, and one or two and then 653 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: all of yeah, and then all of a sudden, you're like, 654 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, what's happening with this player. But it's 655 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: like you look at the percentage, it's a pretty good game. 656 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: It depends on what happened on those one or two plays. 657 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 3: If quarterback got hurt, that's a horrible game. 658 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 4: Right, YEA sixty seven pluses and three minuses in the 659 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 4: one minus gotch you being right exactly? We have time 660 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 4: for one more question. Yeah, one more Okay, I'll ask 661 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 4: you this question, Derek is well, Mike Zimber, figure out 662 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 4: how to get over Shown on the field more in 663 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 4: base packages. 664 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, it's going to happen. And the reason why 665 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: it's going to happen is number one, because I think 666 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 3: they all believe that Demarveion over Shown. It's a player, 667 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 3: and you find ways to get players on the field. 668 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes you get into games, and Brian, you knows as 669 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: much as anybody, you get into games and you kind 670 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: of follow your game plan. Well, if we're in base, 671 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 3: you're not on the field, right and and and then 672 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: a team does something where they keep you in base 673 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: and you get in the game, you look at the statue, 674 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: you're like, he only played eighteen Okay, we ain't doing 675 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: that no more. Right, Now, let's mix him into the 676 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: base like. I think that'll be the way they look 677 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 3: at it. I think my expectation at least will be 678 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 3: that going forward, he'll be a part of some base packages. 679 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: They will figure out ways to get him on the 680 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: field rather than have him on the sideline, just because 681 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 3: here was kind of our game plan into this one. 682 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: Another team does this to us, We're going to figure 683 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: out a way to get him on the field. That's 684 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 3: how I look at it. 685 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 6: I like that, but I agree, and it's something like, 686 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 6: how can you not after you go in, come back 687 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 6: into the building and watch film and're like okay, And 688 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 6: then the times that he has been on the field again, 689 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 6: this past game wasn't a great game. 690 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 7: We all saw that. We all witnessed what we saw. 691 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 6: But you can't take away that he has been pretty 692 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 6: impressive so far, given that he was out a whole 693 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 6: year coming back in and he's been explosive, He moves 694 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 6: around so well, he's doing He's playing so much better 695 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 6: than what I thought he would be. I thought he 696 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 6: would take him a few more weeks to kind of 697 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 6: get going, but he's been so good overall. Again, taken 698 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 6: to kind of consideration, what happened last week and everybody 699 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 6: play bad, but he's still very athletic. And again, I 700 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 6: think that after you look at the game, watch film 701 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 6: and see the overall results, there's no way that you 702 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 6: cannot be like, Okay, let's figure out how to keep 703 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 6: him more man. 704 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 4: They love Luifell, they love they love him, and it 705 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: might be because of his spot. So I will be 706 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: interested to see. I think you guys are going down 707 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 4: the right path. I'll be interested if they if they 708 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 4: if they adjusted though that quick. 709 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you this and I'm gonna throw this. 710 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna save this question for tomorrow when we talk 711 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: about the Cowboys defense and how they match up against Baltimore. 712 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: But should there be a consideration at some point to 713 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: where you get over shown more on the field in 714 00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: favor of maybe having on the side. That's a question 715 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: that we should talk about, absolutely, because I do think 716 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: that there's some there's some thought there, there's who are 717 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: the guys that should be on the field. How much 718 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 3: I think there's some conversation. 719 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 4: You absolutely that, like you say, if they're gonna they 720 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 4: probably will it will see because the Ravens are a 721 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 4: team that will get into the twenty one and twenty 722 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 4: two personnel stuff. And if that's the case, how do 723 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 4: they respond this way? They play their base defense that way. 724 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 4: But I think it's I think it's gonna happen. I 725 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 4: don't know if it's gonna be this week or how soon. 726 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about that tomorrow. Thank you, all right, Brian, 727 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: appreciate that that was good, good segment, good questions. They're 728 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: good answers. 729 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 7: Amber you too, Derek Eingleton. 730 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate that. It's nice to hear compliments. 731 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: This time's coming from. 732 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 6: You, all right, and listen to you guys. The fans 733 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 6: will make sure that Derek sticks to his word on 734 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 6: this upcoming segment. 735 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 7: So sending your questions, all right. 736 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 3: You could also call us eight five five two two 737 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 3: ninety seven is the number again, eight eight eight eight 738 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: five five too. 739 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 4: If we can do this, I don't care what they 740 00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 4: got to say. 741 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: Don't run me, all right, we're gonna go down final break. 742 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 4: We'll be back. 743 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio it's. 744 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 14: The official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Jack 745 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 14: Black and right now, Cowboys fans can get fifteen percent 746 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 14: off their seventy five dollars order plus. 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Call us eight eight eight eight 798 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 3: five five two two ninety seven. We already have a call, 799 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 3: a couple calls on the Lion. Let's get to Keith 800 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: and East Texas. Keith. 801 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 16: What up, guys, Brian. Some things for y'all to think about. 802 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 16: If you're talking about the younger players, we are looking 803 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 16: at JK. Dobbins leading the league for one point one million. 804 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 16: Zeke is down in the twenties for three million. Tobert 805 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 16: had to come back for that ball and make an 806 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 16: incredible catch. That ball was underthrown and he was starting 807 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 16: to separate. The ball was thrown at Zeke's feet for 808 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 16: a touch for a possible touchdown, possible touchdown to CD 809 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 16: which if he had been led on the inside, the 810 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,240 Speaker 16: ball was overthrown into the outside. We know that Jerry 811 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 16: had no choice. 812 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 2: But to give Dak the money. 813 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 16: My question to you guys, had he given them the 814 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 16: money that they were going to get anyway and did 815 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 16: get early restructured, you could have gotten some players if 816 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 16: you were really all in so pounding on these young guys. 817 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 16: Nobody ever mentions Terrence still had a horrible year last year, 818 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 16: and he had a sack the other day. But we're 819 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 16: talking about the young I get frustrated with his picking 820 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 16: on the young guys. He likes the young guys because 821 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 16: they're cheaper. Let's be honest, Well, I don't. 822 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 4: Think we're picking on the young guys at all. I 823 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 4: think that you know that Mike McCarthy brought it up 824 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 4: in his press conference yesterday, and we're just commenting on 825 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 4: the fact that they are playing with a lot of 826 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 4: young guys, and when you play with young guys, you're 827 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 4: potentially going to have mistakes. I don't think we were 828 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 4: going after any of these kids. 829 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 3: And not only that, let's also mention yesterday when we 830 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: talked about on the show. There were plenty of veteran 831 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 3: guys and Brian you Ms earlier veteran guys that have 832 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 3: problems yesterday. Absolutely, this was not a this was not 833 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 3: just a young guy problem. Quite frankly, the young guys 834 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 3: are the part you feel better about because you feel 835 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 3: like they're going to be better. That's what's talking about. 836 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 3: Better guys are the ones I'm a little more worried about, 837 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 3: Like when you got those defensive tackles Phillips and and 838 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 3: and Lynn Vald Joseph and the play games that they played. Sure, 839 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 3: I'm a little more concerned about them than I am 840 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,919 Speaker 3: a young guy, But I do want to also point 841 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 3: out something real quick. On that play you mentioned that 842 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 3: the caller mentioned about he should have led Lamb. It's 843 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 3: it's since that time, there's been some conversations that have 844 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 3: made it pretty apparent that it was the wrong route, 845 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 3: like he should have stayed more upfield, and Dak was 846 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 3: throwing to the spot he should have been throwing to, 847 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 3: so I'd be careful throwing that one on the Dak ledger. Yes, 848 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 3: Dak missed Zeke on that throw, and Dak wasn't perfect yesterday, 849 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 3: but on that particular pass. I would be careful giving 850 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 3: that on giving that to dak Ye. All right, let's 851 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 3: get a call from Carmen in New Jersey. There, Yeah, 852 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 3: what's up. 853 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 16: How are you doing good? 854 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 2: How are you good? 855 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 4: You're on the air, sir. 856 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 17: I'm sorry. I agree with everything you guys say, the 857 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 17: top notch. The only thing is, I know we're worried 858 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 17: about running backs and wide receivers. I just can't see 859 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 17: us doing anything but stopping to run unless we get 860 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 17: a better DT. What do you think? 861 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for Carl. 862 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 4: He feels like that. And this is the general managers 863 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 4: thoughts this morning was that he they feel like that 864 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 4: they have the personnel to be able to play now. 865 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 4: And I've said this yesterday. I've said on a couple 866 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 4: of different platforms. Now, if you don't protect these linebackers, 867 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 4: you're not going to be a very good run defense 868 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 4: because I don't think you're gonna be able to add anything. 869 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 4: You know, And if I steered you wrong about Jordan Phillips, 870 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 4: I apologize to you guys for that. But the the 871 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 4: things that you know with Joseph and you know and 872 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 4: and and you know Phillips and guys like that and 873 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 4: Mazy and and Osa. You know, yeah, they've got to 874 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 4: do a better job because your your your key to 875 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 4: stop in the run is going to be your linebackers' 876 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 4: ability to free up and go get the ball. You know. 877 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 4: But if they're dealing with blockers all day, and there's 878 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 4: certain amount of blockers that are going to have to 879 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 4: deal with in games. But if you just let linemen 880 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 4: have free run at your linebackers, it doesn't matter. You 881 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 4: could have you could have Aaron Donald playing defensive tackle. 882 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 4: It ain't gonna matter, you know, because your your linebackers 883 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 4: are going to be the key to this defense. And 884 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 4: when you're gonna play a good run defense, it's gonna 885 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 4: be it's gonna be Kendrick's playing downhill. It's gonna be 886 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 4: lea foul playing downhill. It's gonna be Overshown playing down hill. 887 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 4: It's gonna be Micah when he's off ball linebacker playing downhill. 888 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 4: You know, that's where this thing is going to have 889 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 4: to get better, because you're not going to be able 890 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 4: to go out and add a defensive tackle. And you know, 891 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 4: to to their credit, yes, you have to give them 892 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 4: they forever were never going to draft a defensive tackle 893 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 4: in the first round. It just so happens that they 894 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 4: have one right now that's really really struggling. That's you know, 895 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 4: the you know, they tried, they tried, they they it 896 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 4: looks like at this point in time that they might 897 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,439 Speaker 4: not have got the right guy. You know, let's see 898 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 4: what happens. But uh, you know it's they they made 899 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,319 Speaker 4: an effort to do it. And you'll say, well, damn 900 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 4: brought us. They went out and got a bunch of 901 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 4: cheap dudes at the end in August and all said, well, 902 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 4: I hate to say this, but maybe it can have 903 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 4: even been worse than what we saw the other day. 904 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 4: If you were playing with some of the guys that 905 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 4: you were going to plan on playing with, it could 906 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 4: have that could have maybe been a lot worse. So 907 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 4: if you don't keep these linebackers free, it doesn't matter. 908 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 4: You won't be able to play any run defense. 909 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 3: And quite frankly, I think that's across the league. I 910 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 3: think that's just the nature defense. If your linebackers are 911 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 3: fighting offensive lineman all day, all, that's going to be 912 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 3: a problems, be a problem. You've got to have guys 913 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 3: in the front that could eat up blocks that's really 914 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 3: especially for the Cowboys. You think about there, the strength 915 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 3: of their linebackers is their speed and their ability to 916 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 3: kind of get places. If they're fighting offensive lineman all day, 917 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 3: it will not be good. 918 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 4: It will not matter. 919 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 3: Let's get a one more phone call from blind Man 920 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 3: in North Carolina. Blindman, what what's up? 921 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 2: Hey? It's Greg. First time caller listening to Brian on 922 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: different platforms. I really love his show. Appreciate that, and 923 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, damn, Brian, we've got a whole 924 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 2: bunch of old guys in August. 925 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 4: How about that we did? 926 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 2: You know? I just want to bring up one point. 927 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 2: You know, when you have everybody that works for you 928 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: on a deal that's going to end that year, I 929 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 2: expect him to go out with the best put to plan, 930 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 2: to coordinate, to coach. I mean, when you're scared of 931 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 2: losing your job from week to week, you can't expect 932 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 2: the best. And that's all I got. Thanks so much. 933 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I appreciate what you're saying, But you 934 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 4: go into this business not, you know, thinking that you 935 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 4: have any type of security. Think about the coordinators at 936 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 4: the Philadelphia Eagles last year. Both those guys probably had 937 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 4: three year deals. You know, ownership said. 938 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 3: Felt like that security. 939 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff Leury, you know, hey, we're gonna we're gonna 940 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 4: do this. You know, we're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna give 941 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 4: you the opportunity to come in and coach Brian Johnson 942 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 4: those guys. You know what happened first year, Both those 943 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 4: guys gone this league. There's no guarantees, there's no promises. 944 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 4: You know, you coach really year to year, you really do, 945 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 4: especially with the way that some of these front offices now. 946 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 4: The one thing here is, you know, this group is 947 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 4: pretty locked in when the cubs of the front office, 948 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 4: but they're locked in and they're locked in with the Giants. 949 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 4: They're locked in with Pittsburgh, they're locked in with Cincinnati. 950 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 4: They're a lot of teams that have the way that structure, 951 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 4: very similar structure to what you have here. You know, 952 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 4: So if you're a coach a scout, you do not 953 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 4: expect to have multiple years to get things done. You 954 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 4: just don't. You're always working with the darkness over you 955 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 4: that this could be your last day. 956 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 3: And I think also when you think about the psychology 957 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 3: of humans, there are kind of two phrases that we've 958 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 3: heard before when it comes to pressure, pressure bus pipes 959 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 3: and pressure makes diamonds right, And it depends on what 960 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 3: kind of person you are. You know, some people respond 961 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 3: to pressure in a positive way, some people respond to 962 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 3: pressure in a negative way. It just depends on what 963 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 3: kind of person you are. I don't know. I've haven't 964 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 3: had that experience with this particular group to know how 965 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,919 Speaker 3: they're going to respond to it. But some people really 966 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 3: excel from that. And I know Jerry's talked about in 967 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 3: the past like sometimes he wants to create that kind 968 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 3: of pressure to see how people respond, and whether that's 969 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 3: the right approach or not. Who knows for this group. 970 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 3: What I'm saying is there is a possibility that Mike 971 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 3: McCarthy is the type that you give him that added pressure, 972 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 3: he's going to step up to the occasion. I just 973 00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 3: don't know that. 974 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 6: I think it brings a different fire in you because 975 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 6: you either want to prove them wrong. And also, even 976 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,319 Speaker 6: if it wasn't here, you're still having to show up 977 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 6: for something for those that might be able to hire you. 978 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 6: So it's just like with players coming out right right, 979 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 6: you got to present something good, regardless whether it is 980 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 6: to stay here or for somebody else to come in 981 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 6: and hire you. So I think it would it's completely different. 982 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 6: I think you performer at a different level. Rather than 983 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 6: having that job security that you're like, people would be like, oh, 984 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,879 Speaker 6: well they're not going to lose their job. 985 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 7: They still they're still gonna be here regardless. 986 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 4: There's some satisfaction knowing that you did a job well 987 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 4: done despite feeling like the people who or your bosses 988 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 4: didn't feel like that you were going to be able 989 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 4: to do it. There's some satisfaction to that. 990 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 3: I appreciate you, guy, Joing. So we'll be back tomorrow. 991 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 3: We're gonna start diving into Cowboys versus Ravens. Brian will 992 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 3: have the breakdown of the Ravens offense versus the Dallas defense. 993 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 3: That will be a very interesting matchup. Till then, for 994 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 3: I'm brought us Ambergarci, I'm Derek Eagles and this has 995 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 3: been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 996 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 997 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.