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Speaker 1: Welcome to Giants' Top one hundred Players, presented by Bud Light.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bob Papa as we continue our countdown to the

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Speaker 1: top one hundred players in the history of the franchise,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined by Vinnie Detrani, who spent forty two

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Speaker 1: years covering the National Football League, thirty four years covering

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Speaker 1: the Giants in twelve years as a Hall of Fame voter.

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Speaker 1: And Vinnie, this was an interesting process. Over five thousand

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Speaker 1: men have worn a Giant's uniform since nineteen twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and we had the task of whittling it down to

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't easy, was it.

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Speaker 3: It was not easy at all.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, especially you're trying to compare one ear

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Speaker 4: with numbers anymore because you know, receivers now catching you know,

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Speaker 4: one hundred passes a year. There they used to catch

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Speaker 4: thirty passes a year. So it wasn't very easy at all. No.

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Speaker 4: But and you know, I had the privilege of watching

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Speaker 4: these Giants in the fifties, and you know, we had

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Speaker 4: connor Ley and Gifford and those guys I was in

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Speaker 4: Yankee Stadium. So I saw those guys and then I saw,

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Speaker 4: you know, the group of George when you know, be parselves,

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Speaker 4: and then with Justin with confident, So you know, I

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Speaker 4: I saw all these guys, but trying to put them

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Speaker 4: not easy at all.

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Speaker 1: Now, and we're gonna We're gonna go through numbers twenty

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Speaker 1: one through thirty here, and.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with number twenty five. George Martin.

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Speaker 1: George, when you think about the history of this franchise

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Speaker 1: and you were here during the lean times to deliver

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Speaker 1: the Giants their first championship in thirty years, what does

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Speaker 1: it mean to be acknowledged by this very blue ribbon

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Speaker 1: panel of being the twenty fifth greatest player in the

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Speaker 1: history of the franchise?

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Speaker 3: You know, Bob, it's a great question.

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Speaker 5: And first of all, before I answered, let me just

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Speaker 5: say it's I'm steeply honored. It's a real privilege for me,

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Speaker 5: especially being an eleventh round draft choice, but to share

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Speaker 5: a stage with someone like Justin Tuck today, it's it's

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Speaker 3: So, uh, I really want to applaud.

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Speaker 5: You guys for having this forum for guys like us,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's absolutely amazing looking back over my career.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was just fortunate to have been selected

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Speaker 5: by uh an organization, which I think is one of

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Speaker 5: the class organizations in the National Football League. And even

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Speaker 5: though it was doing an eraway as you say, we weren't,

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Speaker 5: you know, the toast of the town, we emerged and

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Speaker 5: eventually became Super Bowl champions. And that's just something that

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Speaker 5: I will take to my grave as being one of

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Speaker 5: the greatest accomplishments in my life.

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Speaker 2: Elway is looking for a target, goes out to the

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Speaker 2: right side, its.

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Speaker 3: Door, fart.

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Speaker 1: Five forty five downway, takesty thirty five.

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Speaker 3: Thirty Come on the twenty fight the ten reason. Hey, George,

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Speaker 3: have you ever run that far with the football? You

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Speaker 3: gotta be kidding with the ball? Never, George?

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Speaker 4: When Super Bowl twenty one, when halftime, yeah, down ten

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Speaker 4: to nine. Yeah, but you knew you were the better team.

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Speaker 3: Back to the two, George, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We knew we're the better team. Although we were a

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Speaker 5: little bit concerned. I think we were more and I'll

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Speaker 5: be honest with you. We'd come from a cold weather

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Speaker 5: was just the temperature, the adjustment that we were getting

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Speaker 5: it was.

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Speaker 3: A different marking game altogether.

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Speaker 5: We had that confidence that at halftime, and Parceales was

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Speaker 5: we got it. He says, keep your poise. He kept saying,

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Speaker 5: keep your poise, keep your poise, and fight, fight, fight,

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Speaker 5: and we.

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Speaker 3: Will become champions.

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Speaker 5: And when you're that close to becoming are you going

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Speaker 3: And that's what we did. The rest of your life,

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Speaker 3: the rest of your life. Man, nobody can ever tell

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Speaker 6: Do it.

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Speaker 1: Justin You come in at number thirty on this list.

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Speaker 1: When you think about all the great players and the

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, similar to George Man, I'm a kid from Kelson, Alabama.

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Speaker 6: There's almost more people on this list than it is

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Speaker 6: in my hometown. I mean as a kid, I think

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Speaker 6: everybody told me that they saw me like playing at

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Speaker 6: a higher level because I guess I was the best

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Speaker 6: of like saying that you're going to play in the league,

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Speaker 6: You're gonna do this. But I never really gave it

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Speaker 6: But I think about the Giants, and you know what

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Speaker 6: important about what you did off the field. So being

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Speaker 6: able to represent this franchise, which I think is the

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Speaker 6: best in the NFL, not just one of the best.

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Speaker 6: I do think that it is the best, And I

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Speaker 6: hate to have been in your shoes to be to

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Speaker 6: have to put this down to one hundred players, because

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Speaker 6: I feel like there's a hundred defensive players that could

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Speaker 6: have been on this list by itself, and then like

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Speaker 6: we're biased defensive ends. I feel like there's probably twenty

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Speaker 6: like one, thank you for putting together. Thank you guys

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Speaker 6: for even having my name in and running. But again,

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Speaker 6: when you think about this list and you think about

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Speaker 6: my time at this Giants, I got the opportunity to

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Speaker 6: not only play with great players, but be tutored and

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Speaker 6: mentored by great people of what it meant to be

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Speaker 6: a part is franchise. And I tried to embody that

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Speaker 6: throughout my entire career and I still try to embody

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Speaker 6: that today. So thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: George.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that kind of makes the Giants unique

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Speaker 1: in the sense that paying it forward, You know, you

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Speaker 1: were a great player, you were mentored when you came along,

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Speaker 1: and then to know that you kind of helped pass

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I've always had a philosophy do unto others as you

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Speaker 5: would have them do unto you. And what was done

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Speaker 5: to me was there are a group of guys along

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Speaker 5: sort of nurtured me and tutored me. It's a difference

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Speaker 5: that distinction was made to me almost immediately, and it

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Speaker 5: was supported, i think, very affirmatively by the organization itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're here to become.

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Speaker 5: A professional athlete in a support of football, but there's

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Speaker 5: also an obligation that you have as a player off

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Speaker 5: the field, you know, to the general public, the people

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Speaker 5: about this organization. Almost immediately they integrated us with a

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Speaker 5: helped to support them by them helping them support us

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Speaker 3: Was that I think was just it was just invaluable.

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Speaker 4: One thing I've learned about covering the Giants is that

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Speaker 4: most of the guys in that locker room, whatever year

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Speaker 4: it was, were good, straight guys, and the organization seemed

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Speaker 4: to go for those kind of players, like the two

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Speaker 4: of you that you know, who are good, solid citizens

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Speaker 4: as well as really good football.

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Speaker 1: Players justin Obviously, a two time Super Bowl champion, you

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Speaker 1: played with so many great players. When you think back

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Speaker 1: on your time with the team, what were some of

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Speaker 1: the things that the most fun I mean, obviously Sack

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Speaker 1: and Brady twice in Super Bowls is pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Not doing it once, but twice Brady Back has top.

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Speaker 3: Steps up, get took a couple of football.

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Speaker 2: It's local the Growley scrabble for it, Giant Paul Brady.

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Speaker 3: Back to throw up back the game, not to rob

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Speaker 6: In there the game stuff. I gotta be reminded about

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Speaker 6: had some mean moments.

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Speaker 2: Brady is back, he's under pressure and he gets sucked.

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Speaker 2: That's the thirteen yard line.

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Speaker 6: But like I kind of blacked out in games and

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Speaker 6: like you watched the film and like you remember, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I remember doing that right, But some of some of

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Speaker 6: the stuff in the Super Bowls you kind of just

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Speaker 6: to that question won't be anything on the football field.

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Speaker 6: It's more of the stuff around the travel. It's more

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Speaker 6: here the barrier dynasties, business as usual. A lot of

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Speaker 6: times people ask me whether I miss most about playing

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Speaker 6: It's the first thing, but the second thing is just

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Speaker 6: the camaraderie around all of us coming from different walks

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Speaker 6: was blessed to be captain of this team for a

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Speaker 6: lot of years. Your job is to figure out how

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Speaker 6: to bring fifty three guys to pull the rope the

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Speaker 6: same direction y'all wanted to day. I gotta read, christ

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Speaker 6: you ain't got one. You don't know what you feel like. Brock,

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Speaker 6: you ain't got one. You don't know what it feel like. Limbly,

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Speaker 6: you ain't got one. You don't know what it feel like. Boss,

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Speaker 6: you ain't got one. You don't know what it feel like.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you right now, it's the best feeling in

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Speaker 6: have one. I've missed and we were less to do

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Speaker 6: that better than most two years out of the years

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Speaker 6: I was here. And that's the difference I think is

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Speaker 6: as far as like what I think about now versus

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Speaker 6: in the moment, you just don't think about these things.

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Speaker 6: But now I'm past that and I'm out of it.

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Speaker 6: I look back and be like, man, I remember having

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Speaker 6: a discussion with whoever JPP around how to play the

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Speaker 6: three technique in thirty and five plus situations and him

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Speaker 6: look in his eyes when he got it right or

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Speaker 6: whatever else. Those are things you miss and you feel

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Speaker 6: pretty proud about because you know you had an impact on,

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Speaker 6: whether it be the individual or the team, or you know,

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Speaker 6: a lot of cases both.

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Speaker 5: I echo those sentiments, by the way, almost identically, because

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Speaker 5: I think people confuse the fact that we can be

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Speaker 5: quote unquote football players without being football fans. And that's

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Speaker 5: what basically he's saying, because you know, you have the

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Speaker 5: opportunity to go out there and do something that is

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Speaker 3: It's a job.

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Speaker 5: And I always tell people when they asked me, say,

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Speaker 1: As you went on to win that second Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Leonard went from what we commonly used to say, from

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Speaker 1: I mean, Leonard is blocked not once, but twice, gets

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Speaker 3: George is right.

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Speaker 6: rush from from back and you know as a joker

442
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 6: package and stuff like that. I think I think that's

443
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 6: that's the one thing I tried to like make sure

444
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 6: that I did a lot of because in this league,

445
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 6: you're gonna become the old guy, or you're gonna become

446
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 6: the guy that's not as good as you used to be,

447
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 6: and like you stick around by being able to do

448
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 6: multiple things. That puts a wrinkling a lot of things

449
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 6: that offenses like to do. So I think that's the

450
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,719
Speaker 6: common common thing that the trade I look at from

451
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 6: like some of these past rush as we're talking about.

452
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 5: I was part of that graduate evolution that took place

453
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 5: over time, because when I first came into the Giants,

454
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 5: it was a four to three defense, and then we

455
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 5: eventually evolved to a three four defense, and that your qualifications,

456
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 5: your requirements, your talents, have to adjust to that, and

457
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 5: then inevitably, over the evolution of my career, I became

458
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 5: a specialist, a pass rushing specialist. But people forget that

459
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 5: I was also played. I was a third tight end

460
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 5: on offense. Because they always ask me how many say

461
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 5: I see you paid play. You made seven touchdowns in

462
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 5: your career, and I have to correct him. I said, no,

463
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 5: I didn't make seven. I made eight, and they won't

464
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 5: give me credit for the eighth one because I made

465
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 5: it as a tight end. But that just speaks to

466
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 5: the diversity that is required in professional athletics.

467
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 4: Ourselves used to say that the ball goes, the ball

468
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 4: finds him by all comes.

469
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Speaker 2: Number twenty one on this list is Arnie Weinmeister.

470
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: He was a guy that started in the old AFL

471
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: with the New York Yankees and winds up coming to

472
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: the Giants. But he was also a quarter back who

473
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: basically NFL history says he was the first star defensive player.

474
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's that's true. I mean even before,

475
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: you know, the defense didn't really become popular until the

476
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: Giants in the fifties with Huff and all those guys

477
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 4: that kind of brought the defense to you. Know to

478
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 4: Lanta was all you know, offense, offense, but I think

479
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 4: he was one of the first players back in the

480
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 4: dead boy years. Shall we say who was He was

481
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 4: a defensive stalwart, and yeah, I think he was. He

482
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 4: may well be the first really star defensive player.

483
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: Another guy I want to ask you about Brad van

484
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Speaker 1: Pelt because I know as a kid he was like

485
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: my favorite player. Yeah, and a linebacker wearing number ten. Yeah,

486
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: coming out of Michigan State. But as dominant a player

487
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: as there was in the NFL.

488
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: He was my lt And that's quite a statement. Brad was.

489
00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 5: He was just unreasonably talented because if you look at yeah,

490
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 5: he was tall, he was kind of gangly, but he

491
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 5: had such determination and he had such just raw ability.

492
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 3: He was phenomenal.

493
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 5: And I think it had it not been for his

494
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 5: abilities over there. Complimenting mind, I probably not have made

495
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 5: it early on because he shut the rundown and he

496
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 5: pressured the passer and he had great depth to get

497
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 5: to the drop zone to defend the pass when the

498
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 5: ball was snapped. He was one hundred percent.

499
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 4: To think about what he did in college, I mean,

500
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: I don't think any player now in major colleges can

501
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 4: do this anymore. He was All American safety. In the fall,

502
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 4: he was the starting forward and basketball team at Michigan State,

503
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: and in the spring he was a star relief pitcher

504
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 4: who was actually drafted in the first round by the

505
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: Cardinals Saint Louis Cardinals baseball team in nineteen seventy three.

506
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: He was drafted at all three sports.

507
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: He was all three sports. I mean, how many guys

508
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 4: in college now can do that. And I think one

509
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 4: of the reasons the Giants were able to draft him

510
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: in the second round in seventy three was because a

511
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 4: lot of teams thought he was going to play baseball

512
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 4: right exactly, so he dropped into the second round the

513
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: Giants were able to get him. But yeah, I mean,

514
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: how many guys you know, I know that we've been

515
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: two sports, guys like Bo Jackson and you know Kyler Murray.

516
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 4: You know, guys would play baseball, football, but all three sports,

517
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't do that anymore, because you know,

518
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: you get your one sport, you're you know, football, you

519
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: got spring football, you got your offseason.

520
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: It's hard to play.

521
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: But he played all three starters and was a contributor

522
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 4: in all three sports.

523
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Number twenty two on this list, Jim kat Cavige. We're

524
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: keeping it on the defensive thing, the other defensive end

525
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I mean, it wasn't an official stat, but

526
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: when the Giants made it to the NFL Championship Game

527
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: in sixty three, by today's metrics of looking back at

528
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: the game tape and everything else, he would have had

529
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: twenty five sacks that season.

530
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was kind of overshadowed at at first because

531
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: he played with Andy Robostelli and Huff and uh, you know,

532
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: Jimmy Patten and Rosie Greer and uh you know, Dick

533
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: Lynch and Rich Barnes. That was a great defense and

534
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 4: he was kind of like, you know, a guy was there.

535
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 4: But he developed into a really star player on his own.

536
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: And I have to make a plug here. He went

537
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: to University of Dayton, which where I went, so so.

538
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: But anyway, he really was kind of over underrated until

539
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 4: he really, you know, till to those guys left and

540
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 4: then he became like the star.

541
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 5: You have to put things in context subab because it

542
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: was more of abbreviated season back then exactly.

543
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: That was before they even went to fourteen.

544
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: Wow. So that was a heck of a step.

545
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they didn't throw the ball as much either.

546
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 6: I was just sure I was going to that point

547
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 6: like that. It wouldn't like they were throwing feet the time.

548
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: Low Tittle was, well, yeah, he's great because his thirty

549
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: six touchdowns that year. That that record stood until Marino

550
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: broke at eighty four, which is pretty interesting. So speaking

551
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: of offense, guys that you don't like because they're trying

552
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: to score and you're trying to stop and to score.

553
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: But Del Schaffner twenty three.

554
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: Well that changed. He and Tittle changed that whole team.

555
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 4: I mean, until then it was defense. You know Connerly,

556
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: you know they did. They plugged Gifford in Webster and

557
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: they plugged along on offense. There's a story that defense

558
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 4: got to turn over one day and Robistell, who was

559
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: coming off the field and Kyle Rohat was going on

560
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: and Robi Steley said them, okay, now hold them. But

561
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: then when Tiddle and Schaffner got there, it changed the

562
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 4: whole thing. I mean, they just I mean I remember

563
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: sitting in the bleachers at Yankee Stadium, fifty cents. We

564
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: could get into the game in the fifty cents. In

565
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 4: your high school card. You could sit in the bleachers

566
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: at Yankee Stadium and watch those guys, and you know,

567
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 4: they were just phenomenal. Schaffner was such a such a

568
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 4: smooth player. I mean, and and you know, and Tittle

569
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: of course had his best years with the.

570
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: Giant eighteen yards of catch during his trying career, I know, I.

571
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: Mean, he was just so And I was there today

572
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: he had was the twelve catches against this poor Klaud

573
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: Krab was the cornerback for the Redskins. He just killed them.

574
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: And then speaking of Kyle, wrote, he's twenty four on

575
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: this list and maybe one you know, like these guys

576
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: talking about leadership and fellowship within their team, Kyle wrote,

577
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: was maybe the most popular player on his team. What

578
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: was it like seven guys named their name their sons, Kyle, Yeah,

579
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: with teammates because they respected him so much.

580
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: Right, that's a that's a pretty big bet.

581
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 4: I mean, he you know, he made the adjustment from

582
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 4: running back to receiver.

583
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: Also, here was a Giant thrill of the year, wrote,

584
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: slips like quicksilver into the open. He runs the field

585
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: for fifty two yards. He was back on his own

586
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: college Grande on the Giants went at twenty four to six.

587
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was.

588
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: He was a terrific little little I mean compared to

589
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 4: some of these bigger guys, but he was a terrific.

590
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: Number twenty seven on the list.

591
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Homer Jones because I think Giants fans,

592
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, they think.

593
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Of Odell and his explosive plays, and uh.

594
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a Monti Tumor franchise all time leading

595
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: receiver and Victor Cruz, and there's been a list of them,

596
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: but Homer Jones really is the standard. Twenty two yards

597
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: to catch for his career.

598
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: Yard to catch for his career, for his career.

599
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 6: Wow, that's that's up there. Where is that staying like historically?

600
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: Like well, in nineteen sixty seven, he had forty nine catches,

601
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: he averaged twenty four yards to catch, and he scored

602
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns. And he finished his career for any receiver

603
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL with at least two

604
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: hundred receptions, he has the most yards per catch of

605
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: any player in the history of the sport twenty two

606
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: point twenty six.

607
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: That's phenomenal phenomena.

608
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: And inventing the spike, that's right, he invented.

609
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: The bike, the spike.

610
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: More than worthy of the top one hundred week say.

611
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: Nothing.

612
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: What's crazy about that is like he's twenty seven, there's

613
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 6: twenty six, that's right.

614
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: I went to Giant camp one year and before I

615
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: started covering them, actually, and Ali Sherman was the coach,

616
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: and he said, I'm calling their special teams the money

617
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: teams now. So because he wanted a lot of his

618
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: regulars to play on the special team, and one of

619
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: them was Homer Jones, he wanted him to return kicks,

620
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: and so Homer Jones says, okay, I'll return kicks, he says,

621
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: but I'm not going to return punts. And they said,

622
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 4: well why not, he says, because the balls up there

623
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: and everything that can hurt you, and I can't watch

624
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 4: both of them at the same time, So I'm not

625
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 4: returning punts.

626
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: All right.

627
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: So number twenty nine, let's talk a little bit about

628
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Joe Marris, Joe Morrison and what he brought to the table.

629
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: Joe Morrison was a quarterback University Cincinnati to Giants. Drifton

630
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: was a halfback running back, but then Marson went on

631
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: to play played running back, fullback, wide receiver, tight end,

632
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: and people forget nineteen sixty one Championship game in Green Bay.

633
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: He was a starting strong safety for the Giants, so

634
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 4: that you know, his versatility was incredible and the numbers

635
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: he put up just on his longevity, you know, are

636
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: great and you know, very very, very talented player.

637
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: Again, guys, this has been a lot of fun. It

638
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: is such an honor to sit here with both of you.

639
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Once a giant, always a giant, and now once a giant,

640
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: always a giant, a top one hundred giant.

641
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: When I say that to George Martin, what do you think, I.

642
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 5: Think someone made a mistake. No, seriously, it's an honor

643
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 5: that I could never dream of. And the organization, as

644
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 5: Justin said earlier, it's just the top of the list,

645
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: and you are a member of an elite de notion

646
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 5: within that organization, and it's something that will outlive me.

647
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: And I'm so proud of that. But I'm also proud

648
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: of the guys who I've called teammates. It's just unfathomable.

649
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: I had to have a hard time comprehendive. It's been

650
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: the greatest thing in my life.

651
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: Justin, same question for you, Once a giant, always a giant,

652
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: now forever a top one hundred of all time.

653
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 6: I think legacy is so important to me being from

654
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 6: where I'm from, to get to do the things that

655
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 6: I've gotten to do, to be around the people that

656
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 6: I've gotten to be around, to have the experiences I've

657
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 6: got to experience. I really am somewhat at lost the

658
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 6: words for like what this truly means, and it'll sit

659
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: in over time as my kids I understand it more

660
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 6: as you know, I get older, et cetera, et cetera.

661
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 6: But being on this list, being a part of this franchise,

662
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 6: being in the same breath of people like George and

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00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 6: everybody on this list.

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Speaker 3: Just truly blessed, truly truly blessed.

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00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 6: To be a part of it, and also humbled in

666
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 6: a way, like to know, like you guys had a

667
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 6: narrative down to one hundred players, you could have you

668
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 6: could have been at five hundred and still would have

669
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: been just as difficult when you think about the names

670
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 6: of guys that we played with that we've heard about.

671
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 6: I don't know what it means yet, to be honest

672
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 6: with you, but I know it's it's definitely special. I

673
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 6: know it's something that, like Georgia said, will live beyond

674
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 6: me and hopefully for all those fans out there that'll

675
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 6: watch this and see this list, they'll realize, you know,

676
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 6: all the bus swating tears that we put into it.

677
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 6: And to Georgie's point, it wasn't just that we was

678
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 6: playing football. It was it was a vocation and we

679
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 6: approached it as such, and it's something that just is

680
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 6: super super special.

681
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: Gosh, thank you so much, Benny. Thank you for your

682
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: work as far as helping us get this list together.

683
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: Actually it was kind of fun. I mean it was difficult,

684
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: but it was kind of fun to go trying to

685
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: who does this go go?

686
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: Where does this guy go?

687
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: You know, and then when you see the list and say, well, gee,

688
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: I didn't have that guy that high, and you know,

689
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: you wonder why, you know, or had I had this

690
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: guy higher than other people, and you know, it was

691
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: just it was a mind thing.

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Speaker 3: Really, I'll get that check to you.

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Speaker 7: Hey, I think I vote a for you Giants fans

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Speaker 7: as uh you check out all the Giants social media

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Speaker 7: platforms as we continue our countdown to the top one

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Speaker 7: hundred players in the history of the New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: So for George Martin, Justin Tuck, Vinnie De Tranny, and

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Speaker 1: Bob pop up. Thanks for joining us for this edition

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Speaker 1: of Giants Top one hundred Players presented by bud Light