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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast Big Bone.

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Speaker 2: Randy is beautiful from the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: It's Around the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he is, because beauty comes in all shape and

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Speaker 2: soysus case in point. I am Dan Hansis I am

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Speaker 2: joined by Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: Ladies two options on the spectrum.

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Speaker 3: I mean you might want a third option. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but yes, I think you're only two options. We show

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Speaker 3: the various ways men can be beautiful and you can

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Speaker 3: check that out are differing, you know types on my

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Speaker 3: last Instagram post on our little photo shoot we took

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Speaker 3: one day when Mark didn't show.

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Speaker 2: Up for striking the photos, striking the differences in physical builds.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we forget because we work so closely and then

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Speaker 2: you see a photo.

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Speaker 3: By the way, to be clear, Randy is Randy Bullock

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Speaker 3: that the everybody knows that I know, but just to

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Speaker 3: make sure, because we do have someone in the chair

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Speaker 3: also name is Randy.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about Big Funk, Big Funk.

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Speaker 3: I don't want the listeners who are just joining the

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Speaker 3: show and maybe weren't work with us.

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Speaker 1: But this is such a twenty fourteen season.

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Speaker 2: It's such a Greg slash Larry David moment. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: why are you connecting the dot? You know that's borderline

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Speaker 2: body shaming itself.

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Speaker 3: I'm not connecting any dots. We have a we have three.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry that the people with the microphone right now

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Speaker 3: one of them is named Randy. I think it's okay

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Speaker 3: to tell the people about the history of Randy Bullock

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Speaker 3: from the Texas.

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Speaker 1: Just being a little fresh. It was Mother's Day. You

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Speaker 1: go see your mom's like, have you been exercising? And

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Speaker 1: then you come that one I've got.

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Speaker 4: We all get it.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you get the birthday gift that's like Jim closed,

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, all right, mom, I got you.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Uh, there is another there's another body

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Speaker 2: type not in the studio right now. Mark Sessler is

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Speaker 2: not with us today, but he'll be back on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Leave it there. Coming up on today's show.

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Speaker 2: It's many thirteenth, and yes, happy Mother's Day to all

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Speaker 2: the moms who listened to this show, which there are

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Speaker 2: dozens and everyone. I hope you were good to your mom.

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Speaker 2: Were you good to Deb Rosenthal?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I mean she's in Massachusetts, so it would have been nice

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Speaker 3: to be there. Yeah, spoke enough and some flowers, the

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Speaker 3: same stuff talked t had a big week. She had

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Speaker 3: a special art show in Martha's Vineyard. If anyway it

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Speaker 3: happens that to be in Martha's Vineyards, it's still going

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Speaker 3: the next three weeks check out at the Vineyard Playhouse

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Speaker 3: with Debbie Rosenthal retrospective.

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Speaker 2: What I mean do you ever think do you ever

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Speaker 2: think you're or brother Dean correct? Yeah, a very talented musician. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like almost a virtuoso, right.

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Speaker 3: Went to Yeah classical he composes classical music and went

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Speaker 3: to school for it. And yeah, he's great, more talented

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Speaker 3: than you.

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Speaker 1: Your mother.

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Speaker 2: She's actually has showcases and arguably more talented. In the

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Speaker 2: Rosenthal Power rankings, you might be third. That's all just

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Speaker 2: throwing it out. There's an option. It's me Rade, I

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Speaker 2: got your back.

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Speaker 1: Tom. Give him some to think that he lays his

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Speaker 3: We decided who was more talented when I took him

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Speaker 1: So he's fourth. You can figure dubs or you can.

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Speaker 2: Because it's May thirteenth, we're gonna do random stuff like

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Speaker 2: just talk about tight ends today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about tight ends.

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Speaker 2: Tight end palooza with John Ledyard, who is a really

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Speaker 2: really smart football guy who does the Audibles and Analytics podcast,

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Speaker 2: among other things, and he's going to join this on

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Speaker 2: that conversation.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, let's hit the news just overall.

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Speaker 5: It hit me this morning about three thirty four in

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Speaker 5: And uh, maybe that's just another way of saying attack

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to pinch yourself and remind yourself that

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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh is back in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love that he's Justin Herbert's coach.

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Speaker 1: Them to do well and they and I know you

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Speaker 1: will again this year. Yeah, Now, isn't it Is it

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Speaker 3: He's sixty years old, so I think we're starting to

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Speaker 3: Like whatever care you had about trying to hold back

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Speaker 3: He's Jim Harbo. He just won the national championship. He's

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Speaker 3: going to lean into all things hard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like there might be a tipping point

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Speaker 2: in that realm when you're the leader that's an organization.

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Speaker 1: But maybe we're not there yet.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just out of curiosity, because there is,

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Speaker 1: He's behind these.

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Speaker 2: Like shaded glasses and the eyes are kind of bulging

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Speaker 2: he's saying these kind of crazy things. I just figure,

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Speaker 5: it's not just another day, it's two day. And uh,

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Speaker 5: maybe that's just another way of saying attack this day

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Speaker 5: when an enthusiasm unknown to mankind.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a it was a great day.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you know what I mean now what

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you like, just look at it

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Speaker 1: I I hear that there's a little bit of terrified.

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Speaker 3: Like he John Harby always has thought, has had that

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Speaker 1: What's really that John? Jim is like that to another level.

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Speaker 3: The thing I'd be scared about is, yes, the history

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Speaker 1: That was like the last contract that he got, So

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Speaker 2: Disagree with you that John gives me any type of

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Speaker 2: no doubt intense as well, and he could be very

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Speaker 2: you on that. Iagine I agree. All right, let's get

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Speaker 2: to the news finally. Yes, the schedule will be released.

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Speaker 2: We can say this not breaking news. It's coming on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: and we will our schedule this week will reflect that

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little different. We'll do a Wednesday

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Speaker 2: kick off with the defending Super Bowl champion Chiefs facing

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Speaker 2: the Ravens at Arrowhead on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: The game will be on NBC.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Gregi a rematch of the AFC title Game,

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Speaker 2: seventeen to ten, and then won their third title in

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Speaker 2: it makes sense that they kick off the season last

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Speaker 2: think Katarius Tony fantasy owner.

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Speaker 1: But this game should be similarly exciting to watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't thrilled, just because I like the Ravens

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Speaker 1: Though you know Lines pulls it off. Why not the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: For a ring. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My only quibble is the because that's why I thought

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Speaker 2: Chiefs Lines was perfect last year. Yes, Intra conference or

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Speaker 2: whatever these mega tilts for that, could you know, decide

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Speaker 2: tiebreakers at the end of the season happening in week

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Speaker 2: one after you know nobody even plays in the preseason anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's a little early for a game this Titanic. But

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Speaker 2: also we're all going to be, you know, chopping at

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Speaker 1: So that will be how the season starts.

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Speaker 2: And then I believe is that this year they'll have

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Speaker 2: a Friday night game also.

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Speaker 3: The Brazil game, so NBC gets back to back games.

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Speaker 3: I think it's Peacock Friday Night in Brazil, Eagles, Packers

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Speaker 1: You start you on Thursday. How about that? How about that?

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Speaker 3: In other news, we also got to get the international

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Speaker 3: Wednesday morning to announce the international game. So that will

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Speaker 2: I have an announcement, by the way, that will be

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Speaker 2: But that's a tease as well. In other news, you know,

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Speaker 2: connected to the schedule. It's all connected. In other news,

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Speaker 2: fire the trope alert off because the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Want you to know. Yeah, go ahead, the.

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Speaker 2: True Antonio Pierce with that interim tagged freshly ripped off,

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Speaker 2: has a quarterback decision to make well. I think most

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Speaker 2: of us assume it's Gardner Minshew who they signed in

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Speaker 1: But Pierce said, uh, this week, when was it? Did

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Speaker 1: he say it? There's I believe that over the weekend and.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend that Aidan O'Connell has quote earned the

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Speaker 1: Do we have the sound of that.

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Speaker 7: Aiden is already kind of taking a bull by the

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Speaker 2: Like the idea of someone not just figuratively looking over

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Speaker 2: Or, as Mark Sessler would say, Brett Rippiam. All right,

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Speaker 2: so let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see news.

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Speaker 2: This just went on before we This just went down

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Speaker 3: Four years, eighty four million dollar extension, forty five million

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Speaker 2: Here is an ever huge, huge headline banner headline on

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Speaker 1: History. Okay, that's where I will. I want to see.

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Speaker 3: He's been a little not up and down, because he's

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Speaker 1: And this is interesting. Schefter pointed out he.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear some Nate Hackett. By the way, we got

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Speaker 2: There was this this idea like, why wouldn't you replace

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Speaker 2: But it's not like a regular beat reporter anymore either.

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Speaker 2: of the game with Bill.

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Speaker 1: They'll be able to do that, you would imagine at

441
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Speaker 1: a very high level.

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Speaker 3: Believe the report indicated it would be like first quarter.

443
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Speaker 3: So he's gonna have all this preparation. He's going to

444
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Speaker 3: be coming on what's happening by how these teams are looking.

445
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's also can get to bed a little earlier.

446
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Speaker 3: That way, you know, maybe if he wants.

447
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Speaker 2: More agism, that's perfect. I am with a warm cup

448
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Speaker 2: of milk. So he's in bed by ten.

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Speaker 3: Greg, I'm just saying, these games are on late and

450
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Speaker 3: fourteen years old. You just want it to be an

451
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Speaker 3: easier lift. If you're Bill Belichick, can I pick my quarter? Okay,

452
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Speaker 3: I'll take the first. I'm with you. The parts where

453
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Speaker 3: it's just Manny and Elight. To me, they should just

454
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Speaker 3: have faith that that's the best part of the show.

455
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Speaker 3: And I've always thought watching this show, if they did

456
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Speaker 3: two guests instead of four, it'd be better, Like, just

457
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Speaker 3: just pick two guests.

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Speaker 2: We don't need it every quarter. And Peyton is so

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Speaker 2: Peyton is so skilled in the media. He does a

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Speaker 2: great job that he's able to kind of show run

461
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Speaker 2: in real time. But sometimes you can see the gears

462
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Speaker 2: turning on Peyton that he has to like maneuver certain

463
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Speaker 2: things as like the host of the show all elis

464
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Speaker 2: just doing his ELI thing, Like just let Peyton cook too,

465
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Speaker 2: so he doesn't have to worry about doing that because

466
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Speaker 2: some of us can do it easily, like some of

467
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Speaker 2: us can be high level entertainers and steer the show.

468
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Speaker 2: Some of us struggle a little with it. That's that's

469
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Speaker 2: just the way it is. Greg talk about takes the

470
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Speaker 2: show where it needs to go.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've all improved though, you know from that

472
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Speaker 3: they're now entering year three. I'm with you, and I like,

473
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Speaker 3: I like, what about my uli.

474
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Speaker 2: Barry Horowitz patting myself on the back monologue there.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking about myself too, that all of us, when

476
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Speaker 3: I've listened to that first season of shows, we all

477
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Speaker 3: got better.

478
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, reps help and everything in life.

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Speaker 2: Uh real quick, Mike McCarthy, Cowboys head coach Zeke Elliott

480
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Speaker 2: is back in the building and there's this horrifying thought

481
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Speaker 2: of Zeke Elliott and all the pop the hood stats.

482
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Speaker 1: Around Zeke are horrific. That he is a.

483
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Speaker 2: Good goal line back, perhaps still or a competent one,

484
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Speaker 2: but is maybe the slowest running back in the league

485
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Speaker 2: or high up on that list. He can't possibly be

486
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Speaker 2: their starter in twenty twenty four, while Mike says probably not.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't think that's fair. I mean, what

488
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Speaker 4: do you mean? I mean, he guy carried a ball

489
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Speaker 4: more than anybody in history of football in the first

490
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Speaker 4: couple of years. You know, that's that's not going to

491
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Speaker 4: be his role. You know, we're we're running back by committee,

492
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Speaker 4: you know. But I think he'll definitely play at the

493
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Speaker 4: level that he's played. I know, my time here, I

494
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Speaker 4: anticipate that. I don't see, you know, any drop off

495
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Speaker 4: in the way he moves.

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Speaker 1: He's in good shape, all right.

497
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Speaker 2: So Mike's gonna say that in May, but he's obviously

498
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Speaker 2: a much lesser player at this point. Zeke and I

499
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Speaker 2: feel like this is a team they're gonna add somebody,

500
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Speaker 2: somebody's gonna shake free, or they're gonna make a move.

501
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Speaker 1: It just feels like that depth chart's not done, do you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing projected starters for NFL dot Com. The

503
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Speaker 3: first one's up AFC East and yeah, looking at that Cowboys,

504
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Speaker 3: it's like Rico Dubtele or Zeke Orduce Vaughan.

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Speaker 1: They'll probably add someone late in camp, you know.

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Speaker 3: I found though looking this up, looking at Zeke's numbers,

507
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Speaker 3: he was the leading receiver by receptions at least for

508
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three New England Patriot. Though, if you

509
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Speaker 3: want to know why that offense, Uh, that's one one

510
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Speaker 3: way to use zero in.

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Speaker 1: That's horrifying.

512
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Speaker 2: It's pretty I might have to like, have you say

513
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Speaker 2: that's stat again with this scary Jim Harborough music under you?

514
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Speaker 1: All right? Uh, quick hitters Patriots.

515
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Speaker 2: Zeke's former team hire Elliott Wolf as their personnel chief.

516
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Speaker 2: We talked about that last week that it was coming,

517
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Speaker 2: and now it is a deal. The Chargers signed pass

518
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Speaker 2: rusher Bud Dupree Zay Jones, the wide receiver heads to

519
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Oh your boy, Greg Washington's second round pick,

520
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Speaker 2: Johnny Newton needs yet another foot surgery.

521
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Speaker 1: It's explaining why he fell in the draft.

522
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Speaker 2: And uh, remember you try to bury that info to

523
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Speaker 2: win a sandwich prop But I said, does he have

524
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Speaker 2: any medical red flags? And he was like no, no, no,

525
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Speaker 2: Now he's having another I mean, I hope he keeps

526
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Speaker 2: the foot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, another surgery. It's not what

528
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Speaker 1: you want right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: And finally sad news, Former Chargers General manager A. J.

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Speaker 1: Smith passed away over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: And AJ Smith Greg was a very notable figure in

532
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Speaker 2: Chargers history.

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Speaker 1: He was there during In fact, he's the winningest GM

534
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Speaker 1: in Chargers history.

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Speaker 2: He kind of was the architect of those great early

536
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Speaker 2: you know aughts Chargers teams and also never got over

537
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Speaker 2: the hump in the playoffs obviously, but built some really

538
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Speaker 2: damn good rosters in his time there.

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Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that I think about if

540
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Speaker 3: we had a podcast then he would have been a sneaky,

541
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Speaker 3: huge figure in it, because those were the best teams.

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Speaker 3: Year after you had the fourteen and two season where

543
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Speaker 3: it was one of the best regular season teams I've

544
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Speaker 3: ever seen that lost in the playoffs to the Patriots,

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Speaker 3: and then they fire Marty Schottenheimer after a fourteen and

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Speaker 3: two season and A. J. Smith and Marty Schottenheimer had

547
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Speaker 3: these kind of knocked down, drag out stuff where impressers.

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Speaker 1: A J.

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Speaker 3: Smith was really cutting to his team to his coaches,

550
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Speaker 3: to the reporters, and he was that dude.

551
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Speaker 1: And he also stared down the Manning family, made Eli Manning.

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Speaker 3: Hold up the Chargers jersey, and while that was happening live,

553
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Speaker 3: this is pre Twitter, like, we didn't really know how

554
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Speaker 3: that was gonna go, and he didn't totally know either.

555
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Speaker 1: He had a good feeling that it's like they're gonna

556
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Speaker 1: blink and they're gonna give us what we want.

557
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Speaker 3: And he got Philip Rivers and yeah, they were always good,

558
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Speaker 3: the North Turner ones with him never quite got over them.

559
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: They were always like a nine to seven team, but

560
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: he built up some superpowers and was a weirdly huge

561
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Speaker 3: figure in the NFL for like six seven years.

562
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Speaker 1: So rip a j Smith.

563
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they lost that the crushing Patriots game with all

564
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: that bad blood I as a Jets fan.

565
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: The Jets knocked off two big.

566
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Speaker 2: Time Chargers gems where they were the underdog in both years,

567
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Speaker 2: both times in San Diego, and that was obviously just

568
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Speaker 2: kind of the story of those teams filled with talent,

569
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Speaker 2: big time regular seat and then could never get over

570
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Speaker 2: the hump.

571
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Speaker 3: But the one time they overachieved, they get to the

572
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Speaker 3: conference finals and there it's Philip Rivers with the torney

573
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Speaker 3: sal playing on a torn a ceo. Danian Thomlinson kind

574
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: of moping on the bench. Come on, also hurt, but

575
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Speaker 3: that's why it is moping.

576
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Don't mope, fight through it anyway. A j Smith passes

577
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Speaker 2: away at the age of seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Rest in peace. Let's take a break and when we

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Speaker 1: come back, it's John Ledyard time.

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Speaker 9: Blurs it out in the flat caught Kelsey forty five

581
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Speaker 9: across midfield hurdles a defender George Kettle chucking away, go

582
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Speaker 9: underneath and this is clot from a joke.

583
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Speaker 1: Could carry the defender on his bench.

584
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Speaker 2: Jackson points cruising down till Andrews got free.

585
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Speaker 1: Remark couldn't give it.

586
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Two and they cut it anyway more than chitch by

587
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Speaker 2: Andrews wit two seconds.

588
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Speaker 1: Back on the clock. There he is a rookie porter.

589
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a big year in twenty twenty three

590
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: for the tight end and now we're going to talk

591
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: about it, both the current class and a little atm

592
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: history lesson going back in the last thirteen years or so,

593
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Speaker 2: and to help us.

594
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Speaker 1: Along on that ride.

595
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Speaker 2: As a man who knows his ball, he is a

596
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: host on the Audibles and Analytics pod.

597
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: You could find him all over the place.

598
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Speaker 2: In fact, John Ledyard, Welcome to around the NFL.

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, is an honor to be with you, guys.

600
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Speaker 9: I'm excited to talk some tight ends with y'all.

601
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: How did a feel when Greg Rosenthal, the man who

602
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Speaker 2: once built rode a world brick by brick with his

603
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: bare hands his calloused hands, connected with you randomly and said,

604
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: do you want to talk about tight ends?

605
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Hey?

606
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 9: Well, I didn't have it on my bingo card, but

607
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 9: I was greatly honored. Greg and I have fought each

608
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 9: other for a while, and so it was exciting when

609
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 9: he jumped in and was like, Hey, would you like

610
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 9: to jump on this pod? And I was like, you

611
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 9: guys have probably more fun than anybody else in the

612
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 9: NIMAL on a podcast. You're definitely in the top five

613
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Speaker 9: of the fun rankings, and so I was like, man,

614
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 9: opportunity to talk ball with those guys as a dream

615
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 9: come true. So I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

617
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: And you mentioned yeah, rankings, so that's it's the off season.

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Speaker 3: I like little rankings. We're gonna do, We're gonna do,

619
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Speaker 3: take a little snapshot. We might revisit this various times

620
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Speaker 3: in the off season. It's fun to kind of take

621
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Speaker 3: a snapshot of a position, talk about where they're at now,

622
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Speaker 3: and then also, yeah, we're going to look back and

623
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Speaker 3: try to decide who are the best tight ends of

624
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Speaker 3: the since twenty ten?

625
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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking who knows ball?

626
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Speaker 3: And I've been listening to the Audibles and Analytics podcast.

627
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm a relatively recent convert during draft season, a little

628
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: late later in the playoff season, and you and Annie

629
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Speaker 3: Ollie Connolly, I should say, do a great job. So

630
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: everyone should check out John's substack right and with it.

631
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Speaker 3: And I also felt bad because I gave him a

632
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Speaker 3: lot of like homework kind of it was like a

633
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Speaker 3: little as we're a little ass minute, I try not

634
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: to give you kind of want to give homeworks. But

635
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Speaker 3: he seemed like of all the people and this is

636
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Speaker 3: meant as a compliment that wouldn't feel like maybe it

637
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Speaker 3: was a huge burden last minute to all of a

638
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Speaker 3: sudden conjure up multiple sets of rankings.

639
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Speaker 1: I thought John would be a honest show. It is

640
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Speaker 1: that how you feel.

641
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Speaker 9: Would he read it extremely well? I may or may

642
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 9: not do this in my spare time, so I may

643
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Speaker 9: or may not have been prepared.

644
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: But you know, while John is perhaps an exception, I

645
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: just want everyone to know out there that has a podcast,

646
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: which is most of America and beyond. H when you

647
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: have someone on as a guest, don't try not to

648
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Speaker 2: give them a homework assignment.

649
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Speaker 3: Depends, depends, depends if you give him like a week's notice,

650
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Speaker 3: at least not twenty four hours.

651
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Speaker 2: I mean, just take it easy. Okay, they're coming on

652
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Speaker 2: your show. That should be enough. Let's get into it. John,

653
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Speaker 2: you came up with a list. Let's start with the

654
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Speaker 2: modern day, the current, the twenty twenty three into now

655
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four tight end class. We each submitted to

656
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Speaker 2: our production team our top ten, and then I believe

657
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: Funk and ETP did there wiz and took those three

658
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Speaker 2: options or those three lists and made it into one

659
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Mondo list.

660
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Right, So we do not know the results of these rankings.

661
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: Let's put them up. We do not see them yet.

662
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: I see I see them back in the control room.

663
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: We need to see them.

664
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: All right, Fly him up, all right? So this is

665
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: this is what the interesting, all right, So here we go.

666
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: I'll go ten to one here. Dalton Kincaid not in

667
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: my top ten. Came in at number ten. Evan Ingram

668
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: of the Jaguars, number nine, Dallas Goddard, number eight, David

669
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: Njoku my guy, number seven, t J. Hockinson, number six,

670
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 2: Trey McBride. Oh it's number five. This is what I'm

671
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: talking about. This are all these young guys new on

672
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: the scene. Number four, Sam Laporta of the Lions, number three,

673
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews of the Ravens, number two, George Kittle of

674
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: the Niners, and of course number one, Travis.

675
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: Kelsey of the Chiefs. All right, let's start at John.

676
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Do you have when we look at our combined list here,

677
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: do you have a name that kind of does not

678
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: jibe overall that you've had somebody higher or lower.

679
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Let's start that way.

680
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 9: I don't have any big gripes with this list. Honestly,

681
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 9: it's not too far off from mine. The only player

682
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 9: in this ten that I didn't have in mind was

683
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 9: Evan Ingram, and he was eleven for me, just outside,

684
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 9: so very strongly consider him. I also kind of split

685
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 9: mine up into tiers a little bit, so when you

686
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 9: get past the first six guys, to me, I think

687
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 9: there's about six or seven guys after that that, I

688
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 9: would say you could put them in any order, and

689
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 9: I would understand your reasoning. Depending on the scheme that

690
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 9: you're looking at to fit with a certain quarterback or

691
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 9: coordinator offensive system, you could prioritize different things at that position,

692
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 9: different skill set traits you value. So it really does

693
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 9: become after I think the first six or so, I

694
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 9: think it does become almost like a dealer's choice.

695
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean almost the whole list.

696
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was hard to decide who is sort

697
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 3: of a top the tight end mountain right now, Let's

698
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: start there, because our top three is Kelsey, Kittle, Andrews Kittle. First,

699
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: I feel like Travis, I mean, George Kittle was the

700
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: best tight end in the league last year. I think

701
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: I'm always going to lean a little bit to a

702
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: guy who's that dynamic as a blocker. He hasn't stayed

703
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: as healthy and explosive as you would want, but he's

704
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: still much younger than Travis Kelce, and he was healthy

705
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: and mostly explosive last year. So I'm guessing the two

706
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: of you both had Kelsey number one. I almost I

707
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: think I had a Kelsey a few spots lower because

708
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this year, and I expect that

709
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: decline to come. And then as I did the process

710
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: and went into him, where I was like, I can't

711
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: doubt this guy. It's ridiculous to put him any lower

712
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: than two. At least I had Kelsey at number one.

713
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: But I could see why you went down that road.

714
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: With Kelsey wasn't quite as good as he was the

715
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: previous season, where I think he was heading shoulders the

716
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: best tight end in the league. And Kittle, if you

717
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: look at some of the advanced numbers at PFF, i'll

718
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: cite them. First of all, he was their highest graded

719
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: tight end by quite a margin over Travis Kelcey, who

720
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: was second.

721
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: And then he had some really numbers.

722
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: He Kittle had twenty nine games of fifteen plus yards,

723
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: which is tied for first among all tight ends. He

724
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: led all tight ends in deep receiving yards. He averaged

725
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: ten yards depth per target, seven point three yards per

726
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: after the catch game two hundred and seventy nine yards

727
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: after contact John And of course everyone knows Kittle is

728
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: the complete tight end and is a boss as a

729
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: blocker as well. So for a guy that sometimes can

730
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: get overlooked in certain conversations, he had a great season,

731
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: playing five hundred and sixty eight snaps.

732
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 9: I thought the first three guys, which you've mentioned, two

733
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 9: of them, Kelsey and Kittle, and then for me it

734
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 9: was Sam Laporto was the third and we'll talk about him,

735
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 9: and those three were in a tier together for me

736
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 9: at the top. And the reason why it was difficult

737
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 9: to rank him and I did rank Travis kelce first,

738
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 9: as you mentioned, Greg, was that the playoffs. Honestly, that

739
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 9: was the big part of it. I don't think in

740
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 9: the regular season that Travis Kelcey was as transcendent as

741
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 9: he normally is. I think he was fine, He was

742
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 9: very good, But I don't think you were like, Wow,

743
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 9: this guy is just on a historic pace still at

744
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 9: his age, all this kind of stuff, and then he

745
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 9: goes into the postseason thirty two catches on thirty eight targets,

746
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 9: three hundred and fifty five yards, three touchdowns, and four

747
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 9: playoff games. To me, just the stage that he was in,

748
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 9: the spotlight that was on him, considering the fact that

749
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 9: they didn't have a lot of other weaponry like that,

750
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 9: to me took it to another level when you consider

751
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 9: like the role he played in actually winning a championship

752
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 9: this past year. Now we're projecting ahead, and you're right, Greg,

753
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 9: at some point that is good. That decline is going

754
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 9: to continue to come for Kelsey and perhaps that was

755
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 9: his last hurra and it goes downhill from here. But

756
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 9: with Kittle, who I think is the most complete tight

757
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 9: end in the NFL and probably the one if we

758
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 9: were just saying I'm starting a neutral team and I

759
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 9: want to pick a guy for this season, like just

760
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 9: to be on that team, and the situation is just

761
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 9: we don't know yet all question marks at quarterback play

762
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 9: car he'd probably be the guy you pick because he

763
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 9: can pretty much do anything, and also you get the

764
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 9: splash play on and he's probably the best downfield tight

765
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 9: end in the league. All of that combined makes him

766
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 9: very enticing target to pick, even in be number one.

767
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 9: But I just kept coming back to, Okay, Kelsey has

768
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 9: hardly missed any games since entire career, and Kittles has

769
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 9: had more nagging degrees that he's dealt with and worked through,

770
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 9: and perhaps that all changes this year, but that gave

771
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 9: Kelsey a slight edge to me, but very close between

772
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 9: those two guys, and even Laporta being in that mix.

773
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 9: For me, I had a hard time sputting up those guys,

774
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 9: thinking about twenty twenty four as the kind of the

775
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 9: barometer by which we're saying we want these guys on.

776
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: Our teap This's why it's good to have three of

777
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: us combined on these because now you've kind of tuked

778
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: you guys, have tucked me into it, giving anyone else

779
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: the top of the mountain other than Travis Kelcey and

780
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: giving it to a guy who, in Kittle, now thinking

781
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: about it, had a total of four catches in those

782
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: last two games. He wasn't a huge part of that

783
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: offense with Kelsey had three times the production.

784
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: You're right in the playoffs.

785
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: So if you're trying to pick between the two, even

786
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: though he's a little more dynamic Kittle, it's hard to

787
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: go against that. The super Bowl was on yesterday and

788
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: I kind of let Walker watch. It's like, I won't

789
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 3: let you watch TV. Force Well, no, I'm not forcings.

790
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 3: He's dying, but uh, you know, on the weekends, okay,

791
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: you can watch some sports. You don't don't watch TV,

792
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: but you canna have sports on. So he's watching the

793
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: super Bowl, and yeah, you're reminded that. It's like it's

794
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 3: Rashid Rice or Kelsey on all the big plays, which

795
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: you know the situation there and now it reminds you

796
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: how important Rice was to them. And otherwise it's like

797
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: Richie James on clearout routes. And they won a Super

798
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: Bowl that way, not like dominating the Oy. You kind

799
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: of forget they didn't score the first twenty five minutes

800
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: of that Super Bowl. They got it done. I do

801
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: want to hear from you why you had Laporta that high.

802
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: I still put Andrews ahead of him, but Laporta is

803
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: better as a blocker than probably we would have expected

804
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: as a rookie. And just his usage was incredible, Like

805
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: how how they used him for him to step in

806
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: and be that good that right away. I had him forced,

807
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 3: so I wasn't too far off, but you had him

808
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: a whole whole tier ahead.

809
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm curious why.

810
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 9: For me, the biggest thing with the Porte is that

811
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 9: I think to already be able to do I'd rather

812
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 9: be early than late on a guy like that that's

813
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 9: that good. I loves a puge him. Coming out of

814
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 9: college too, he was my number two tight end behind

815
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 9: Kim Kid in the class. I thought he was the

816
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 9: real deal, and it was easily a top thirty player

817
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 9: in the class. And the fact that he was able

818
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 9: to go into that situation in Detroit where they obviously

819
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 9: have a bunch of targets to earn the trust of

820
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 9: the staff enough from camp you could tell right away

821
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 9: they're like, Oh, not only are we going to play

822
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 9: this guy, his role isn't going to be siloed. He's

823
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 9: going to play in line forty seven percent of the time,

824
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 9: twenty six percent of the time will play out wide

825
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 9: for us. We'll match him up against corners and he

826
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 9: will beat them off the line of scrimmage, and at

827
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 9: the top of the route one v one he'll be

828
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 9: in the slot twenty six percent of the time. Give

829
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 9: him a two way go he can function a flot

830
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 9: receiver for us. So just the fact that he can

831
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 9: do everything at the position at his age with such

832
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 9: limited experience, I mean, almost nine hundred yards and ten

833
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 9: touchdowns last year in the regular season. I already think

834
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 9: he's the best tight end in the league at the

835
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 9: top of his route. When we just talk about who

836
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 9: creates max separation at the top of the route with footwork, quickness,

837
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 9: explosiveness out of the break to me that support. I

838
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 9: think it was a big calling guard for him in

839
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 9: college too. They literally took what he did at Iowa

840
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,919
Speaker 9: and they said, it's going to be an exact carbon Coffy.

841
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 9: We we're gonna ask you to do in the NFL,

842
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 9: only against way better competition. And he was able to

843
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 9: do that as a rookie. I just think that's incredibly rare.

844
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 9: I think he is a very special player. Also, fourteen

845
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 9: of twenty two on contested gatch situations. Last time he

846
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 9: forced thirteen miss tackles. So really where the weaknesses with

847
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 9: the porters where I think I kind of like had

848
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 9: a hard time ranking him lower than this.

849
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Him, Laporta and goff in play action was absolute death

850
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: to defenses last year.

851
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: I had him as four. I put Mark Andrews just ahead.

852
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: And he's kind of a guy that maybe gets overlooked

853
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: just because you know, he missed the end of the

854
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: last season with an injury. He's been banged up at times.

855
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: But a good data point here, Andrews generated the second

856
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: highest passer rating when targeted among tight ends one thirty

857
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: five point one when Lamar was targeting him last year

858
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: before he went down.

859
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Here's a little good Ravens nug for you, GREGI all right,

860
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: the only.

861
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: Person that had a higher passer rating target was at

862
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: one forty one point two isaaa likely of the Ravens,

863
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: So that works.

864
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: He's on my long list.

865
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: We'll get to some of the guys that didn't make

866
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: the ten, because I do think at least one name

867
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: is very interesting to talk about, but likely when I

868
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: made my long list out, he was like top fifteen.

869
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 3: He's pretty dynamic. I do want to get to Trey

870
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: mcbridebeing so high. I thought I was going to be

871
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: the highest on him, but apparently we all were if

872
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: he just about if he ended up fifth, he is

873
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: one of those guys thinking about him versus Kyle Pitts

874
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: who didn't make the list, And we can get to

875
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts, but like if it's by the way he

876
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: was eleven.

877
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: On him, Oh really, he was just.

878
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: He was just off of Mi okay, So that's how

879
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 3: Kincaid slipped on there because I had Kakaid quite high.

880
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: I think Kaid's movement is just crazy and he's set

881
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 3: to have a big season, and part of his production

882
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 3: last year being a little lower I think was just

883
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: him getting used to the league, and by the end

884
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: of the season you can see he is a special,

885
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: special mover.

886
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: I get why you had him t one in.

887
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 3: A great class, but McBride, Like, if you just watched

888
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: Trey McBride's tape from last season and you told me

889
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: he was taken in the top twenty picks in the

890
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: NFL draft, was like, I would believe that. Like, to me,

891
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: he does everything he is. He is a special ball winner.

892
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: He is good after the catch, like he's tough. There's

893
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: kind of nothing I don't see. And he just kept

894
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: backing it up week after week. And he started to

895
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: show it a little bit late in his rookie year too,

896
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: that like, I don't have that many more questions. To me,

897
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: he's sort of at that level that now I expect

898
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: him to be a Pro Bowl caliber player for the

899
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: next some odd years.

900
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: John die for me. Yeah, Okay, there we go. That's

901
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: how it happened.

902
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 9: Yes, I'm a huge I saw I had McBride forth.

903
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 9: I'm a huge fan of McBride. I mean, so this

904
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 9: was the most interesting stat one of the most interesting

905
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 9: stats that I found, Uh, his yards per route run

906
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 9: last year. He was first amongst all tight ends over

907
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 9: two point over two yards per route run last year

908
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 9: for McBride, and better than the better than Kelsey, better

909
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 9: than all these guys here about how great their seasons were.

910
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 9: And with McBride, I just kept coming back to man, like,

911
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 9: what is the weakness was? I watched him and remember

912
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 9: he had that rookie year that was so nondescript and

913
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 9: everything was a mess. Obviously, then he did half this

914
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 9: season without great quarterback play here and Kyler comes in

915
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 9: and it gets a little bit better, I think. But

916
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 9: I mean to be the ball winning that you talked

917
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 9: about is a really valuable thing at this position. I

918
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 9: think tight ends are often working the middle of the

919
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 9: field down seams. Windows on them are usually closing pretty

920
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 9: quickly with guys working top down on them, and so

921
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 9: to be able to make catches with your back to

922
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 9: defenders I think is really important. You often have somebody

923
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 9: crowding your space as you're making catches at this position.

924
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 9: So love that forced twelve miss tackles. He's not like

925
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 9: super elusive in space or anything like that, but just

926
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 9: the fact that he's so tough. He's just very physical player,

927
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 9: you know, And I watched him, I said, power forward

928
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 9: type of player. He doesn't have this elite on ground

929
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 9: athleticism kind of but when you watch him, you just

930
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 9: think power forward and everything that he does. He bulldozes people,

931
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 9: He knocks people back his physicality at the top of

932
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 9: the route, you know where Laporta kind of sinks and

933
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 9: cuts and accelerates and is so smooth, and you can

934
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 9: see the athleticism. McBride just like knocks guys out of

935
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 9: his path and subtle though he doesn't mean nobody gets

936
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 9: called for OPI consistently in the NFL, but he's just

937
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 9: a very physical player. You were not going to set

938
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 9: the tone on him. Good blocker as well. He can

939
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 9: do a lot of different stuff too. I think that's

940
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 9: what it being going to be one of the more

941
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 9: valuable things when we talk about this position. How many

942
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 9: guys can do a lot of different stuff. McBride can

943
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 9: block in line, he can block on the move, which

944
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 9: he does frequently for them, and on the perimeter as well.

945
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 9: A great stock blocker, and so they trust him a lot,

946
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 9: I think, and that's a big thing with him and

947
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 9: Laporta to be really young and to be trusted as

948
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 9: much as they are to do as many different things

949
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 9: as they are is just not very common in today's NFL,

950
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 9: so that's why I have them both so high up

951
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 9: the list.

952
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: He also was had like thirty straight minutes of him

953
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: during a in season hard Knocks. I believe it was

954
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: or all or nothing. I don't even remember at this

955
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: point that literally no one on earth watched other than

956
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: me a solid thirty minute chunk in one episode. And

957
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: I think I'm just like glad that that. I feel like,

958
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: now that paid off for me.

959
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: That's good, that's important, and I'm glad it enriched you

960
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: in your analysis. Can we talk a little Davin Joku,

961
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: because your guy, he's my guy. I always believed in him,

962
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: and it was a little bit of a slow train

963
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: to get where it needed to be. But I really

964
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: thought it happened last year, especially when Flacco got involved.

965
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: He set career highs in targets, catches, touchdowns, He led

966
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: all tight ends, john in mistackles, forced also in explosive gains.

967
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: This was a guy who was absolute terror. I could

968
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: I could just picture it. It happened against my team,

969
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: the Jets, but happened against a lot of teams this

970
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: year where in Joku all of a sudden streaking over

971
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: the middle like a rampaging Mustang.

972
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to bring down.

973
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 2: I think he could even be better if he ever

974
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: gets truly consistent quarterback.

975
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: Play your thoughts on njuco in Djoko in Juko.

976
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 9: For me, he was seventh, uh he but I am

977
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 9: a huge fan of his game. He was my number

978
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 9: one tight end in the draft when he came out

979
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 9: that you remember that was oj Howard m and Ingram.

980
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 9: There was a lot of guys in that class and

981
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 9: for him, like, the biggest thing I thought when I

982
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 9: watched him was that just the post catchability, which honestly

983
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 9: we've kind of seen a little bit of over the

984
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 9: course of his career, but this was the first year

985
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 9: where it felt like it really all came together for him. Man.

986
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 9: I mean, just you speak about intangibles, and I think

987
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 9: that batters a ton like let's I mean, and Djoku

988
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 9: has those right. One of the toughest dudes in the league.

989
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 9: Physical Uh, he's selfless. His teammates love him. Remember when

990
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 9: we thought.

991
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: The freaking face burned off and he was playing the

992
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: next week, John, Yeah, dude, it's.

993
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 9: Fas like it just one of those dudes that he

994
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 9: will talk to talk and walk the walk. And I

995
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 9: remember when early in his career we were like, maybe

996
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 9: they'll trade him, like it doesn't seem like it's working

997
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 9: out there, and they were like, no chance, we're trading

998
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 9: this guy, like we know it's going to come around,

999
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 9: and he's still only twenty seven. I think that's just

1000
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 9: an insane part of all.

1001
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: This when you could try safeties with no eyelashes, like

1002
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: that's that's different, Like you're built different.

1003
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's put the list back up there.

1004
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: Eric, You're right, some of these guys are sneaky young,

1005
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: like in Joko you just mentioned. I couldn't believe TJ. Hockinson,

1006
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: who I think comes in at number six. Let's see

1007
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: the list, Eric, He's still just twenty six years old.

1008
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: It feels like TJ. Hockinson's been in the league forever.

1009
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: He's coming off a tourney ACL.

1010
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: That's such a bummer because he was he had had

1011
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: a perfect place in that offense and hopefully he's able

1012
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: to come back as the same TJ.

1013
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and John made a good he asked me, and

1014
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: this is why you know he's a pro. He's like,

1015
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: if we're talking about yea, John, take it for twenty

1016
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: twenty four. He's like, are we holding it against Hockinson

1017
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: that he's coming off with torn acl because he might

1018
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 3: not be even ready for the start, As I say,

1019
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: a personal don't don't hold it against him, so that

1020
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: I put him where right in the middle. Goddard's been

1021
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: kind of slumping lately, and then looking at Ingram.

1022
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: You missed my top ten by the way.

1023
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just didn't look like the same guy, and

1024
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: you do worry about the miles that he's put on him.

1025
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: But if we had done this exercise last year, would

1026
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: have been in my top four. So I had a

1027
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 3: hard time putting a much lower. I think I had

1028
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: him eight or nine. I'm guessing John, you had him

1029
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 3: somewhere in that ballpark because Dan five.

1030
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 9: Actually I thought ahead of Andrews. This is probably my

1031
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 9: most controversial ranking.

1032
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: I guess it's well there, No, that's where he was

1033
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 3: for me initially, and then I just kept sliding him down,

1034
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 3: thinking like, he just didn't quite look like the same

1035
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 3: guy a year ago.

1036
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: But tell me if I'm wrong, Well, both.

1037
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 9: These guys have that. The Goddard and Andrews conversation is

1038
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 9: both like are they who they were last year? Or

1039
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 9: are they who they've been in the past. I think

1040
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 9: is the conversation with both of them moving forward. I

1041
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 9: believe in Goddard maybe a little bit more because it

1042
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 9: goes back to how much does your team trust you,

1043
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 9: how much does your team, how many different things does

1044
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 9: your team ask of you? How important you are? Are

1045
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 9: you to your team's success? And I think you saw

1046
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 9: it a lot right that Eagles offense really struggled when

1047
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 9: God wasn't in there. And it's not so much about like, oh,

1048
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 9: he wasn't around to literally catch the football and produce

1049
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 9: like in that way. It's because of how much he

1050
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 9: gives that offense and what he's able to do as

1051
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 9: a player, just in part of being a big part

1052
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 9: of their RPO game game as a blocker, what they

1053
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 9: do with him on the move as a blocker, A

1054
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 9: very hard player to find a fact simile for. He's

1055
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 9: a second best blocker on this list, I think other

1056
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 9: than Carol and Joki's playing that conversation too. So he's used,

1057
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 9: He's formed himself into an all around player. I really

1058
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 9: don't love Field, not that the way Philly uses him

1059
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 9: is bad. I think they use him in ways that

1060
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 9: are helpful to their offense, but not as helpful to

1061
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 9: Dallas Goddard as they could, whereas Andrews is like the

1062
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 9: feature piece I think in Baltimore. To me with Goddard,

1063
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 9: the A dot is just plummeting, like can we get

1064
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 9: him targets down the field?

1065
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: Can we?

1066
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 9: I mean, he has done this stuff in his career.

1067
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 9: We know he can be this player. I think a

1068
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 9: big reason for what if Philly is going to go

1069
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 9: back up on offense, if they are going to climb

1070
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 9: the rankings again and truly be one of the most

1071
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 9: feared offense in the NFL again, I think they have

1072
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 9: to expand their usage of Goddard again. It's it just

1073
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 9: became so narrow of a usage for him, and I

1074
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 9: think he's just capable a lot more so. I did

1075
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 9: have him five and Andrews six. That was a very

1076
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 9: close one. They're in the same tier for me. Andrews

1077
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 9: I think is still very good. What is great about

1078
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 9: his game I think last year, even when he played,

1079
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 9: he was eighty percent of the time in the slot,

1080
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 9: So he's kind of like he's become like a big

1081
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 9: slot receiver, which he's always spent a good amount of

1082
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 9: time in there, But is he much of an inline

1083
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 9: guy at all anymore? His A dot was just way

1084
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 9: down last year in that offense, and so does that

1085
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 9: system know how to use him?

1086
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: As well?

1087
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 9: As another question with him, I think he had some

1088
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 9: ugly drops. It wasn't his best season as a blocker.

1089
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 9: He's never been the biggest playmaker with the ball in

1090
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 9: his hands. But I think everything about his game is

1091
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 9: still like pretty good, I think. And he's only twenty

1092
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 9: seven to two, which is crazy. So who bounces back

1093
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 9: out of those two is probably going to determine which

1094
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 9: ones in the top five next year when we do.

1095
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: This, right, you think the Eagles going back to God.

1096
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 3: It is such a great situation for him, But you

1097
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: said it right, And actually Jalen Hurts might not be

1098
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: like the best quarterback for him because Jalen Hurts his

1099
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: best attribute is on the outside, Like he's just not

1100
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: as consistent working in the middle of the field. He's

1101
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: great at, you know, throwing the go balls, and they

1102
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: build the offense around that. So maybe that hasn't helped

1103
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: him vice versa like the flip side of that. As

1104
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: Everitingram had one hundred forty three targets last year. I

1105
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: was like, I can't believe that I'm glad Evan ingraand

1106
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: find found the role that like he deserves to have

1107
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: because I always thought he had something to him and

1108
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: the Jaggars have gotten that out of him.

1109
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Before we move on to by the.

1110
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: Way, check out the splits too, because Ingram was very

1111
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: quiet in the first half. Even he's getting targeted, he was.

1112
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: He was a really good player for them and productive.

1113
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: He's great after the back.

1114
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 3: He's great at what they what he does, which is

1115
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 3: just those those drag routes and everything.

1116
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: Is Kyle Pitts. Are we sure he's good?

1117
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: I guess I'm the only person that didn't put him

1118
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: in the top ten. He's He's someone i've actually I

1119
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 3: have watched a lot of them, and I just don't

1120
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: think he moves the same way as we that he

1121
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: did coming out of college or even his rookie year.

1122
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: And and I know the quarterbacks have been bad and

1123
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 3: that's a big part of it, but I look at

1124
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: Drake London and I think, Okay, Drake London's really underrated.

1125
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: If he was in a different situation, he'd be like

1126
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 3: a top ten wide receiver. And I don't know watching

1127
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: week after week, I don't I don't know if I've

1128
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: seen that totally out of Pits. There's always a lot

1129
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: of miscommunications with Pitts, which is tough to know, Like

1130
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: is that his fault to the quarterbacks? But when it's

1131
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: happening so much, you kind of think it's him. So

1132
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: he was my number eleven player. I was like, these

1133
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: other guys have have been a little more consistent, and

1134
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: I don't totally see like the special athleticism anymore than

1135
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: I have expected, because probably because he's playing through injuries.

1136
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: What do you think, John, Yeah.

1137
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 9: I had inn Djoku seven, Hawkinson eight, Kincaid nine, and

1138
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 9: then Pitts ten. And you're completely right about bets, Like,

1139
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 9: he wasn't a better player than Evan Ingram last year,

1140
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 9: So you could put Jake Ferguson over him, you could

1141
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 9: put him further down the list.

1142
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 3: For me, Friarmuth is in that mix guys that didn't

1143
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: make Yeah Shultz.

1144
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 9: I mean there were a lot of guys that were

1145
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 9: better than him last year. I just think about his age,

1146
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 9: I think about the offense he was in, and I

1147
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 9: just wasn't a big fan of a lot of the

1148
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 9: usage for him and I think he basically just has

1149
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 9: to be like this field stretcher, Well, what else can

1150
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 9: he do for your team? Like I think he can

1151
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 9: do more things for your team. All that is. All

1152
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 9: that said, there's no doubt Cowpits, and I don't think

1153
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 9: we talked about this enough. Cow Pits has not played

1154
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 9: well enough in the NFL. Frankly, Like, there's no question

1155
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 9: about it, Like when it comes to route running, when

1156
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 9: it comes to mental mistakes, when it comes to making

1157
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 9: tough catches. Look at his contestant goat trades and then

1158
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 9: watch the tape and you'll see a lot of those

1159
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 9: concerns show ups So this is very much of twenty

1160
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 9: twenty four. Who am I taking? Like, if I need somebody,

1161
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 9: I still want to bet on the upside around this range,

1162
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 9: just because I think the upside is a little more

1163
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 9: limited as you get further down the list. But there's

1164
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 9: no doubt that this is This is a critical year

1165
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 9: for cow Pits, obviously for payment long term all of

1166
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 9: those kind of things. He goes into a pivotal fourth season,

1167
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 9: but this is it for him. I mean, he's got

1168
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 9: to put it all together. There's still unbelievable traits here

1169
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 9: We've seen the flashes. Yeah, a thousand yards of a

1170
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 9: rogie like this guy is capable of it, it just

1171
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 9: hasn't happened consistently.

1172
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 3: We were in London for one of the high moments

1173
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: of his career. He lit up the Jets that game.

1174
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah they went like seven or something.

1175
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: So, yeah, he's got one thousand yard season on his

1176
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: resume and maybe some of those miscommunications. He's had a

1177
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: lot of quarterbacks, a lot of bad quarterbacks. I think

1178
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: this is a perfect setup for him. He might only

1179
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: get Kirk Cousins for one year because of their absurd

1180
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 2: roster strategy, but give me a consistent quarterback that puts

1181
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: it on the numbers. How many times you see Kyle Pitts,

1182
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, jackknifing trying to reach behind his body and

1183
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: throws over his career so far, I'm really excited by

1184
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: his upside. And we're gonna take a break and then

1185
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 2: quickly talk a little more historical in the last fifteen.

1186
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: Years or so.

1187
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: But I want to let everyone know that I put

1188
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: Taysom Hill at number nine and whoa, that doesn't count

1189
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: because he's not a real tight end. But if you

1190
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 2: give me three hundred receiving yards and four hundred rushing

1191
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: yards and six touchdowns, and you could throw a nice spiral,

1192
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: you could find the back ten, back half of the

1193
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: back ten of me.

1194
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: For me, that's every time that is bold.

1195
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 3: I gotta say last year was the year that I

1196
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: did start thinking, Okay, Taysom Hill actually is underrated. He

1197
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: actually was very helpful to their winning and was making

1198
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 3: pretty consistent plays. We got you tasting top ten is

1199
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 3: a little rich for me, but I got you Saints

1200
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: fans pretty unique.

1201
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and we'll be right back.

1202
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: All right, we are back just for fun. This is

1203
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: Greg's idea of fun. And I was like, yeah, let's

1204
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: go for a ride. Let's go through the mind of

1205
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: Greg and with John along for the ride. He said,

1206
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: you know what's even more from the talking tight ends,

1207
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: Let's crank back the clock and let's talk about our

1208
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: favorite and the best tight end since twenty ten, which

1209
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: is somewhat arbitrary. I thought it was a little like

1210
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: he just wants to talk about Gronk and and I

1211
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: thought to myself, I here's my logic, here's what let

1212
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: me just say number So I know that a big

1213
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: part of this conversation for Greg now is so he

1214
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 2: could say Gronk's better than Travis Kelce.

1215
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: So here's what I did. I.

1216
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: Even if I don't totally believe it, put Travis Kelce

1217
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: one over Gronk. And my hope, my hope is that John,

1218
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: who we don't know each other prior to this conversation,

1219
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: He's probably gonna put Cronk number one. But if he doesn't,

1220
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: if he put Travis Kelce number one, that's two to one.

1221
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: It's Kelsey beats Gronk, and the entire idea of the

1222
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: exercise turns and collapses in on itself on GREGGI in

1223
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: a big spot.

1224
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: So, without further ado, the it also means I'm not

1225
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: allowing anyone else to vote.

1226
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: Next time the top ten tight end since twenty ten.

1227
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: Come on, Travis number one. Give it to me, Give

1228
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: me what I need because we need it to.

1229
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: Stick it to Gregy in a big spot. It sounds

1230
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: like you already know the end. I don't know. Let's

1231
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: see it. Oh yes, Kelsey, Oh big time, what a win.

1232
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I get up in the morning. That's

1233
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: why I love this job. We big focused on his

1234
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: arms up in the air, too.

1235
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: This is preposterous, all right. Here always have for like

1236
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: wins and losses. What is it that Jim Harbos said

1237
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 3: at the top.

1238
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: Of The Urracious Loser, It's happened, and now you got today.

1239
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: It's today? What was it?

1240
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: Number number ten, Mark Andrews number nine, Vernon Davis number eight,

1241
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: Zach Ertz number seven, Antonio Gates number six. Greg Olsen, Yes,

1242
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 2: that Greg Olsen. It was a quite a fine tight

1243
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 2: end before his feet turned on him. Jimmy Graham at

1244
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: number five, Jason Whitne at number four, George Kittle at

1245
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: number three, Rob Gronkowski Gronk himself number two, and Kelsey

1246
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: the Great Travis Kelsey comes in at number one. Let

1247
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: us Greg before you can, because you deserve the opportunity,

1248
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: because now that this segment is imploded on itself in

1249
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 2: a big spot for you, I'm gonna give you the floor.

1250
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move out of the way, But first I

1251
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 2: want to hear yes, iris.

1252
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: John, your opinions? Why John said Travis over Rob? Go ahead, John, Yeah.

1253
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 9: Greg's probably regretting having me on the show. I apologized, Greg.

1254
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 9: I had to do this, so this actually hurt me too,

1255
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 9: because I covered Gronk in Tampa Bay for a couple

1256
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 9: of years and just an absolute joy if as a

1257
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 9: player as everything to be able to cover. And honestly,

1258
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 9: if you this is obviously a great conversation or probably

1259
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 9: discourse that'll happen for years. These guys are obviously in

1260
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 9: the same tier. There's no wrong ranking here in my opinion.

1261
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 9: Oh Greg might disagree. But the big thing for me,

1262
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 9: I think is when you look at games played, there's

1263
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 9: an edge with Kelsey. I think even though he is

1264
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 9: still he's still has when you look at the starts

1265
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 9: of their career, Kelsey didn't even really play his first year,

1266
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 9: I think, so you go back to that a little.

1267
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: He's like a season he's a season up.

1268
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: Just to put the stats out, he basically has sixteen

1269
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: games up on Gronk now going in.

1270
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 2: And Gronk started at age twenty one. Kelsey's career didn't

1271
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: really start to lage twenty five, which is interesting.

1272
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 9: Right, and I think Kelsey's still adding to that. Plus

1273
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 9: just really always being healthy is a big part of

1274
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 9: this ranking. Now if you ask, it's kind of like

1275
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 9: the Kittle Kelsey debate. Honestly in a little ways, like

1276
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 9: if you're just saying I'm starting both these guys at

1277
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 9: the beginning of the career. I'm starting a neutral franchise.

1278
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 9: Who do I want to build my offense around. I

1279
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 9: think there's definitely a real strong argument for Gronkowski because

1280
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 9: of how good he was as a blocker. You could

1281
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 9: play Gronk and you could do this with Kelsey two

1282
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 9: to a degree. You could play him as an ax

1283
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 9: like by himself. You could put him on the back

1284
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 9: side of three by one on the single receiver side,

1285
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 9: and he was like in his heyday, he was like

1286
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 9: cash money basically.

1287
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: That And that's the reason why let him think they

1288
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: beat the Chiefs in that game was exactly that reason

1289
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: that they could do that.

1290
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: Greg, You're gonna get your check.

1291
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 9: I've just never really seen anybody win the way Kelsey win,

1292
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 9: Like I've never seen him. He isn't even a great

1293
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 9: athlete anymore. And he's open all the time. How like,

1294
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 9: how is he he knows everything that's happening around him

1295
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 9: all the time. I obviously he has cart blanche to

1296
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 9: kind of do what he wants as a route runner,

1297
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 9: which is incredible to watch. But I just don't know

1298
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 9: how anybody who moves like the way he does is

1299
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 9: getting open to the degree that he is at his

1300
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 9: age and staying healthy all the time. It's just watching

1301
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 9: him is remarkable to me because I feel like, okay,

1302
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 9: like you should be able to knock him around, like

1303
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 9: he's not that fit. You should be able to like

1304
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 9: stay in his hip pocket. He can't think he's not

1305
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 9: that explosive. Like you look at his contested catch numbers

1306
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 9: and it's like he does a good job, but he's

1307
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 9: also hardly ever in contested catch situations, so you just

1308
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 9: like it doesn't make any sense. And then you watch

1309
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 9: him in every single game. He's open all the time,

1310
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 9: all over the field at all levels. When they needed

1311
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 9: him to be the vertical guy last year because they

1312
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 9: had absolutely nothing, he goes out and he makes plays

1313
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 9: down the field. I'm just like, I don't even understand

1314
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 9: the production is the counting numbers are a little bit

1315
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 9: on his side over like when you look at yards

1316
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 9: and things like that, But he's got the game's advantage

1317
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 9: there too a little bit since twenty ten. So it's

1318
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 9: a fascinating discussion. I've bounced around throughout my lifetime uncovering

1319
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 9: these guys and watching them play, but I think that

1320
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 9: there really is no wrong answer on it, but I

1321
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 9: just had to go with Kelsey because of a couple

1322
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 9: of those factors.

1323
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: I get it everything that you said is right on

1324
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: when it's talking about why Kelsey is so great, and

1325
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: he's he's kind of a genius in term of football,

1326
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: genius in terms of route running, and he gets to

1327
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: play with another one in Mahomes, and that's awesome, like

1328
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: you think about players that never got that chance, like

1329
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: the fact Randy Moss get to play with Tom Brady

1330
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: at that point in both of their careers. You got

1331
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: to see greatness elevate each other, and Kelsey has done that.

1332
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: And the argument to me is a little bit compiler

1333
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: versus peak. But I have to give it to Kelsey

1334
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: that his peaks now are all so pretty awesome. So

1335
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: it truly is an argument where two or three years

1336
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: ago I really didn't think it was an argument. The

1337
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: reason I feel strongly it's Gronk is I'm gonna take

1338
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 3: the guy who, if it's close enough, is better at

1339
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: their their respective peaks. They're both four time first team

1340
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: All Pro, so they've been literally the best tight in

1341
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: the league both four times. But there's two parts where

1342
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: Gronk is just clearly better. And that's explosive plays including

1343
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: touchdowns and blocking like those are two massive components of

1344
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 3: playing the tight end position. And it took me looking

1345
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: at this to remember Rob Gronkowski averaged like fifteen yards

1346
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 3: per catch for his career, like that is that is

1347
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: just outrageous. And he still has Kelsey by a good

1348
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: margin in terms of touchdowns, in terms of if you're

1349
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: just like playing like fantasy points, just like you know,

1350
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: just fantasy points, like he'd even have Kelsey per game

1351
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: over that, and that's because of all the touchdowns. So

1352
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: when I think, like, what makes a tight end special,

1353
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 3: like scoring explosive plays, and I do think the explosive

1354
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 3: plays gets a little lost in the grond conversation to

1355
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: average fifteen yards per catch the tight end, you're I'm

1356
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: looking at all these lists and I sorted it on

1357
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: Pro Football Reference. I mean, there's no other tight end

1358
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 3: that's even remotely in the ballpark. Everyone's two yards per

1359
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 3: catch like behind Gronk. And then you add the touchdowns,

1360
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: and then most importantly, I think you add the blocking.

1361
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: Where at his peak and he kept it going pretty

1362
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: well to the end of his career, they could just

1363
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 3: do so many things because of the way he blocked.

1364
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: Not only did he do a great job blocking, but

1365
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 3: they just could call plays in such a different way

1366
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: that that was almost impossible to defend. And that was

1367
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: because of Gronk. And I think he does have that

1368
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 3: in a way that that's better than Kelsey at his peak.

1369
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to kill you for going Kelsey

1370
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: at this point. I think it's an argument he's not

1371
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: a good one.

1372
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: But here's yeah, here's here. Here it is to me, like,

1373
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: can't you can't say anything negative about Gronk? Maybe his

1374
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: durability and there's a reason why he kind of left

1375
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: the game in twenty nineteen because he got so beat

1376
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 2: up over the years he came into the league with

1377
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: the back surgery. Obviously it led to the Patriots I think,

1378
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: being able to get him in the first place where

1379
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: they did, whereas Kelsey has been just an iron man

1380
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: for that team and the things that's more like what

1381
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 2: do I what kind of excites me a little bit

1382
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: more as a football fan. Kelsey's cerebral nature is so

1383
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: incredible and John, I'll point to two instances in the

1384
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 2: last couple of years. One is one of the plays

1385
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: many plays that Kadarius Tony ruined for the team last year,

1386
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: that long play against the Bills where he catches the

1387
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: pass and then in stride throws a perfect ball across

1388
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: the field to complete an unlikely touchdown that you know

1389
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 2: would have swung that game, and he gets called back

1390
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: as Tony lined up off sides, and.

1391
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, can you believe that Travis Kelcey would

1392
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: do that?

1393
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: And then after the game, everybody's like, no, Kelsey does

1394
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: that stuff all the time in practic Like he just

1395
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: sees the field in a way that other people don't,

1396
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: and then he has this incredible ability to make plays

1397
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: because he's just so naturally athletically gifted. The other play

1398
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: all point two is the thirteen seconds game the Divisional

1399
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: round playoffs, also obviously against the Bills, and on that

1400
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 2: amazing sequence where they were able to tie the game.

1401
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: It's Kelsey who kind of calls out or sets up

1402
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: the play on the first Tyreek Hill game and then

1403
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: says to Mahomes, all this happening in real time, Hey,

1404
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: if they stay in that same defense, look for me

1405
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: because I'm going to have a seam. And sure enough,

1406
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 2: he gets hit for the huge pass games, so he

1407
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: kind of set up both those plays and allowed them

1408
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: to escape and win that game.

1409
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: So those are just two examples.

1410
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 2: And while I'm not going to get on Gronk because

1411
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: everybody knows Gronk's not a rocket scientist, although I know

1412
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: he leans into the gronkness of it all, just Kelsey,

1413
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: I think, separates himself with his ability to be like

1414
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: his brother it did on the offensive line physically gifted

1415
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: but also mentally superstar.

1416
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 9: Well, it's also absolutely crazy that just when you talk,

1417
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 9: we'll look at the production for both these two guys.

1418
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 9: There's so many things to just be like jaw on

1419
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 9: the floor about. But Kelsey has since twenty ten, almost

1420
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 9: almost three hundred more catches than Ron Gronkowski now, and

1421
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 9: Gronkowski still has eighteen more touchdowns than him, which speaks

1422
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 9: to Green's point. Also speaks to the fact that Andy

1423
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 9: Reid is just this savant near the goal line, and

1424
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 9: obviously everybody like Anthony Sherman's and those types of players

1425
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 9: are getting touchdowns that Kelsey probably would get if he

1426
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 9: was featured as much as Gronk down there. But I yeah,

1427
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 9: speaks to just like the production that Gronk had as

1428
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 9: a red zone guy and as a big play guy,

1429
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 9: if he just never had all the injury concerns that

1430
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 9: he had, and now he's over two thousand yards bying

1431
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 9: Kelsey as well since twenty ten. Like the numbers in

1432
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,479
Speaker 9: the production we would have seen from this guy would

1433
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 9: have just been off the charts. And it's just such

1434
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 9: a bummer that he ended up, hey, you know, retiring

1435
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 9: and this and that year and then we have plenty.

1436
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: I feel like, well, maybe maybe I'm speaking out of turn,

1437
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 3: but I feel like it could have gone different ways.

1438
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 3: We could have seen less of Gronk. I mean the

1439
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 3: fact that you got five or six great seasons. You

1440
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: think about the last two times he played Travis Kelcey.

1441
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: You know, not for nothing that AFC Championship game. They

1442
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: win it in part by putting Gronk out to the

1443
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: left and on the game winning drive he makes big plays.

1444
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 3: Kelsey has a quiet game, and then he scores a

1445
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: couple of touchdowns in the Super Bowl with the Buccaneers

1446
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 3: at the very end. So he still did get kind

1447
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 3: of a nice little Gronk spike at the end of

1448
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: his career. Even if even if you guys are going

1449
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: to put him first. Should we just zoom through the

1450
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: rest of the list at least I would say, like

1451
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 3: Jimmy put that back up. Yeah, Jimmy Graham had like four,

1452
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: he ends up five on this list. I had him

1453
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 3: three because he just for the four for four or

1454
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 3: five years. He just had absolute monster years. He was

1455
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: a first team All Pro, like during Gronk's prime a

1456
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 3: couple times, and it fell off fairly quickly. But we

1457
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 3: have Kittle third. No problem with that, in who to

1458
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: me was a little bit of a compiler, I don't think.

1459
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: I think that's not fair though, because he was what

1460
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: you dream of in a tight end a guy, a

1461
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 2: great safety, valve slash, moved the chain guy in a

1462
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 2: big third down. He did so much for them and

1463
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: had some huge years as well in terms of straight.

1464
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: Production, and got a couple first team All pros too.

1465
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 3: And then I was happy to see greg Al sitting

1466
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: on this list. I sorted by a couple of different measures,

1467
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: but on Pro Football Reference they have something called approximate value,

1468
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: which it's not perfect, but it's trying to be there

1469
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: be all end all, I just wanted an initial list.

1470
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: They had him fourth since twenty ten behind Kelsey Gronk

1471
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: and Jimmy Graham. And that just shows the kind of production.

1472
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: And he was a very John intelligent player too.

1473
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: John.

1474
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: I killed Antonio Gates's ranking here because I left him

1475
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: off only because his last kind of big time year

1476
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: was twenty ten and then he hung around and had

1477
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: the issues obviously health down the line. But if he's

1478
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: still finished seventh, you must have had him high up

1479
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: as well.

1480
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 9: I had him, Yeah, what did I have him?

1481
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: Sixth?

1482
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 9: I think was on my list I had I actually

1483
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 9: had Graham lower. I had Graham eighth, and so I'll

1484
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 9: contribute to I contributed to him being probably five. It

1485
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 9: seems like you would have been hired for you guys. Actually,

1486
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 9: my most controversy, I had Kittle third as well. I

1487
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 9: had Greg Olsen fourth, and wit in fo wow Gate sixth,

1488
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 9: Arch seventh, and I had Graham eighth and Vernon Davis

1489
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 9: ninth and then tenth. I was like Mark Andrews. Jared Cook.

1490
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 9: I don't know, like it's.

1491
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: Jared Cook made the list. Dang Jared Cook. Yeah, he

1492
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: you know his production is there though, on all these

1493
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: lists of yards.

1494
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 3: When I sorted in approximate value, he's top seven or eight,

1495
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 3: and you're like, dang, Jared Cook's had a nice career.

1496
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 9: I sent the list that I refused to just put

1497
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 9: Jared Cook because we ever think of him as a

1498
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 9: top ten tight end in the last fifteen years.

1499
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: But he just.

1500
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 2: Underhead one of the best catches you'll ever see from

1501
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: a tight end in a playoff game against Dallas with

1502
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 2: the Packers. I just threw Darren Waller at number ten,

1503
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: and I know that he has not been able to

1504
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: keep it up and sustain it, but when he did

1505
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 2: lock into that zone, he was as impossible to cover

1506
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: as anyone. So I game a little love. I don't

1507
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: even know if his career is contending with at this point,

1508
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: but little pop for day.

1509
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like there was like nine solid apparently

1510
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 3: for all of us, because I actually had Vernon Davis tenth.

1511
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: I split nine and ten with Vernon Davis's old teammate

1512
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: on the Super Bowl reaching twenty twelve forty nine or seen.

1513
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: I gave Delane and Walker a little love and old

1514
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 3: West fail almost three Pro Bowls, a great blocker, great

1515
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 3: at his very peak, and so he's snuck in at ten.

1516
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm glad you mentioned Gates.

1517
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 3: That is the last thing I want to say, because

1518
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: he didn't make the Hall of Fame last year, and

1519
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 3: I was just like, what he'll get there.

1520
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: I know who got there, and you gotta wait.

1521
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 3: It's like Devin Hester and Patt I love Patrick Willis,

1522
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 3: but like if you had said in the middle of

1523
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 3: their primes, like who's a better player? And Antonio Gates

1524
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: was so good And this exercise was interesting because this

1525
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 3: was the second half of his career where he just

1526
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 3: kind of cruised as terrific, where he did the compiling

1527
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 3: that you often need for Hall of Fames and he

1528
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 3: was still making a lot of Pro bowls and he's

1529
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 3: six hundred to eight hundred yards, but the first five

1530
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: he has that Jimmy Graham and Gronk type peak too

1531
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 3: before that, and then he cruised along, So to me,

1532
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 3: it was crazy. He's even even waiting a year and

1533
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: it's just an awesome all time great.

1534
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 9: All right, all those guys are pretty I mean, I

1535
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 9: think after the top three that are I think going

1536
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 9: to be pretty consensus. All those guys really are kind

1537
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 9: of a pretty similar clump up until you get probably

1538
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 9: to the Vernon Davis range and Wherever's it nine or

1539
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 9: ten for you. But I just thought Olsen is kind

1540
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 9: of one of the forgotten. Yes, he had three one

1541
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 9: thousand yard seasons in a row, and if he had

1542
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 9: not had the foot injuries, when you just talk about

1543
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 9: peak of your power stuff, he was just Remember they

1544
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 9: didn't have a ton of other guys in Carolina and

1545
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 9: they said super Bowl. He was the guy like talk

1546
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 9: about cerebral leadership, consistency across the board until those injuries.

1547
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: Some hands like just great everything, great rats, I mean

1548
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: really friendly.

1549
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 2: When who ran him and ran into him in Vegas

1550
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 2: and he was feeling no pain at all in the casino.

1551
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 3: I mean, he's very nice guy. He's doing it right,

1552
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: he's living well. He's had a great life.

1553
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: Like if you I try to make the case to

1554
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: Andrew Marshawn that Greg Olsen was really the you know,

1555
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: the big loser of the offseason in terms of the

1556
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: Tom Brady of it all in the broadcasting booth.

1557
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: But no, Greg Olsen is doing great.

1558
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 9: Greg Golsen, he's the JJ Reddick of the I think

1559
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 9: he's on that trajectory right, great player who's kind of

1560
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 9: forgotten about a little bit, goes great analysts now it's a.

1561
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 3: Good although Reddick actually got head coaching interview and might

1562
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 3: get more.

1563
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: Olson Olsen has poked his head around there. He tried to,

1564
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: He tried to.

1565
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 3: There was some like you know, source report that Greg

1566
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: Olsen would be open if you would want to talk

1567
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: to him, but they never did.

1568
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: All right, John, You've said it all.

1569
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: Follow John on Twitter at Ledyard NFL Draft, Like I said,

1570
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: the Audibles and Analytics pod, and he's a busy man,

1571
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: So just keep an eye on him because he's doing

1572
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: all sorts of great coverage of ball.

1573
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy for joining Strong Jaw to appreciate it.

1574
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 9: John, Hey, my jawsband comped to Bill Cower at times.

1575
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: Very nice John Ledyard everywhere, John, we'll be right back

1576
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: to closing size.

1577
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: All right, we are back close some things up. Nice

1578
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: conversation there with John Ledyard. Good addition, I.

1579
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 3: Love that stuff. I don't know where I saw. I

1580
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 3: think it was a book I read. It was just

1581
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 3: like men, or maybe it was a tweet Like all

1582
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 3: men like to do is just like rank thing ranks,

1583
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, let's rank.

1584
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that. I mean, who better than us

1585
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: to do it? We've been doing this show we've been following.

1586
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: Who's Got a Better of Us? Yes again, Mark Sessler

1587
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:39,480
Speaker 2: not with us today, but Mark will be back on Wednesday,

1588
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: so tune in for that. Also Wednesday is the schedule

1589
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 2: release show, so we will be breaking down all the

1590
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: interesting tidbits that are coming out of that. And before

1591
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: we say goodbye, we were just talking tight ends and

1592
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: all the fun ranking of it, all that men like

1593
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: to do. There's some heat between one of the great

1594
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: tight ends of all time. He retired before he would

1595
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,520
Speaker 2: be part of this conversation.

1596
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: We just had.

1597
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: But Shannon Sharp, who was most recently seen kicking the

1598
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: hell out of us in a podcast award show, right,

1599
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: they flew him down there.

1600
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: That's what we knew.

1601
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 3: We were done, well I knew, and they not only that,

1602
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: they had their own roped off section that we were

1603
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 3: that I tried to get it.

1604
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: Oh that was rough. As soon as we got to Austin, like,

1605
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: oh my god, this was all a trap.

1606
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: But Shannon Sharp is one of the great tight ends

1607
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: of the nineties into the two thousands. But he came

1608
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 2: after a Shaquille O'Neill, the NBA legend. You know what

1609
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: if shack you know, really tried hard, and Shack didn't

1610
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: take too kindly to that.

1611
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: Let's check out this. This I just thought was awesome because.

1612
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: Shack cited gil Brandt's NFL dot Com write ups multiple times. Okay,

1613
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: so Shack cited gil ranking Sean Sharp eleventh all time,

1614
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: tight ends gilbrand who rest in peace, left us a

1615
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:14,759
Speaker 2: year ago, former Cowboys general manager. And I just like that, Shaks,

1616
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: post's gotta be top ten in your profession before you

1617
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: speak on someone in there in their profession tough, they're

1618
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: they're their break for Shaq in a big spot there.

1619
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: But Shacks pointing to gil Brandt putting Shannon Sharp number

1620
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 2: eleven as the bible and the be all end all

1621
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: of rankings, I just got to kick.

1622
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 3: Not only that it's an old school NFL dot Com

1623
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: photo gallery. I can't believe Sharp didn't make the.

1624
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: Top Labenberg special. But then I look at.

1625
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 3: Who is in it, for instance, and you can't you

1626
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 3: can't really fault gil gil Wait, actually I do fault

1627
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: some things. He's got Jason Witten fourth and Gronk like

1628
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: two spots, but you know what's going to give Jason

1629
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 3: Witten a little extra pop. But either way, I love

1630
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 3: this rap beef that I never knew anything.

1631
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 9: I know.

1632
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 2: This is the this is the new Drake and Lamar

1633
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: pull up the Instagram feed one again because there's I

1634
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: love coded messaging that It's.

1635
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: Like, what's going on? Does everybody know about about this

1636
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: but us?

1637
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 2: But at one point Shack and his long die drop

1638
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: against Shannon Sharp over nonsense rights.

1639
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: Don't forget I know what you did to get where

1640
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: you were at. Oh hell yeah, what's that all about? Whoa?

1641
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: What's that all about? Whoa? Whoa? Oie? Oh I need

1642
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: more on that.

1643
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 3: I do like that, Shack said, Google me four rings seven,

1644
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 3: Top seventy five, NBA PA.

1645
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: He calls himself. You think I have too many nicknames?

1646
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: He calls him he hashtags at the end, Apex Predator.

1647
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: Young Shaq was the most dominant athlete I've ever seen

1648
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: in my life. We took a growing up in you know,

1649
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 2: right on the border of northern New Jersey. We couldn't

1650
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 2: get into the garden to see the Knicks because they

1651
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: were very popular and successful at the time, but you

1652
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: could always get to a Nets game down at the Metalands.

1653
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 2: So there was like a clash trip to go see

1654
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: Shack when he was a rookie at the me We

1655
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: took the bus down. My dad was one of the chaperones,

1656
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: and we just saw Shack just thrash a NETS team

1657
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: that was like looking at each other like, how is

1658
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: this grown man on the court and we are but

1659
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: little boys. So maybe Shannon needs to remember that he

1660
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: was a specimen Shack and his numbers stack up pretty

1661
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: well with the all time greats.

1662
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: Football is completely different than basketball.

1663
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: All Right, we'll be back Wednesday. Great job behind the glass.

1664
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: Tag team effort.

1665
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: Kind of tag. What tag team would they been? Demolition?

1666
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 3: I think the Legion of Doom Doom aush

1667
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 7: He the gall