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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. After sweeping

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Speaker 1: Theis in Anaheim, the Cubs, I think we said it

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Speaker 1: on our first episode, we weren't quite sure if that

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Speaker 1: offense was back. It doesn't look like it is after

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Speaker 1: dropping the first two in San Francisco. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not just Kyle Tucker. Kyle Tucker has had a couple

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Speaker 1: of hits in San Francisco. They've had they just haven't

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Speaker 1: come up with the big I think I think when

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Speaker 1: what day was it? Wednesday night? Uh, it was just

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Speaker 1: kind of prototypical about how things are going. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I mean the pitching didn't show up on Wednesday. Colin

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Speaker 2: Ray wasn't good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Those two double plays with the bases loaded, I mean

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Speaker 1: those it just felt like once that second one happened,

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Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you can't do that twice you

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Speaker 1: big time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you were asleep back home in

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Speaker 3: the Chicago area, did not watch the Cubs game in

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Speaker 3: the past the previous two nights, you did not miss much.

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Speaker 3: It was exactly as you described early in the game,

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Speaker 3: having those opportunities to kind of break the game open

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Speaker 3: or at least put Counsel in a place to where

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Speaker 3: he could manage more aggressively or differently, to not have

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Speaker 3: Reese Maguire the backup catcher pitching in the eighth inning.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of where Wednesday Night's game devolved towards. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean Anaheim Angel Stadium, Tucker PCA, not just because

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Speaker 3: they won, but it was just just kind of more newsy,

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Speaker 3: the games are more interesting. Stuff was happening. Kyle Hendrick's pitching.

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Speaker 3: San Francisco's felt a little sleepier, and we're recording before

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Speaker 3: showed it at Managa Pitches on Thursday, and that was

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Speaker 3: pretty much the answer in Wednesday Night's clubhouse was like, well,

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Speaker 3: we got showed to going tomorrow. We'll see you know,

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Speaker 3: so things things could change in that regard, But also

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Speaker 3: missed opportunity as well with the Brewers losing Wednesday night,

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Speaker 3: and there aren't that many losses you can build in

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Speaker 3: if you're going to track them down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you I mean, if you want to track them down,

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Speaker 1: you have to capitalize on every opportunity. I go back

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Speaker 1: to the Reese Maguire grants lamb on Saturday, and exactly,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't look at I don't think momentum

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Speaker 1: is a thing or trends are a thing in baseball,

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Speaker 1: like from day to day, like you never know what

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Speaker 1: could change day to day. But but like the momentum

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Speaker 1: of a game matters. So when you when you hit

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Speaker 1: that grand slam, that makes a two to zero game

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Speaker 1: a six to zero game, and you just it feels

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Speaker 1: very different obviously, Uh, just a base hit in one

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Speaker 1: of those situations Wednesday night, just one with the bases loaded,

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Speaker 1: and the game suddenly feels differently.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Colin Ray's thinking a little differently. I did have it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love this series just because they played a

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Speaker 1: good series against the Brewers. The Giants did and I

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Speaker 1: and when you have a player like Raphael Devers, you

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Speaker 1: just don't know when he's going to have a good series.

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Speaker 2: You just don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know he's been inconsistent this year, he hasn't been

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Speaker 1: himself this year. It doesn't seem like especially with San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: but you just know that that guy can turn it

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Speaker 1: out at any time. It's kind of like Kyle Tucker.

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Speaker 1: You can say like, oh, he's been something for a month, okay,

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Speaker 1: but then he has a weekend like you did in Anaheim.

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Speaker 1: So I just don't you know, the Giants aren't playing

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Speaker 1: great baseball overall this season.

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Speaker 2: They've disappointed.

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Speaker 1: They're just not a team like Anaheim or even this

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Speaker 1: weekend in Colorado where you can say like, they're just

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Speaker 1: not good. It's not that they're not talented, it's not

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Speaker 1: they just they haven't been playing great. There still can

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Speaker 1: be a problem, and then you can.

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Speaker 2: Talk about showda going.

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Speaker 1: But they got unless something changed, Logan Webs.

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Speaker 3: Got right, that was that was omitted. But you're right though.

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Speaker 3: I mean I walked into the Giants clubhouse on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: trying to work on a couple different things, and you

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Speaker 3: you look around and there are some really accomplished individual players.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a certain future Hall of Famer Justin Verlander,

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Speaker 3: Matt Chapman walking through the room, Willie Damas. Like obviously

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Speaker 3: Logan web pitching, you had circled this series, I feel

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Speaker 3: like a while back, and just the diverse factor of like,

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Speaker 3: if this guy goes off, is going to be really

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Speaker 3: hard to win a series on the road and it's

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Speaker 3: basically impossible when you don't get good pitching, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we're not sounding the alarm bells on Matthew Boyd yet

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Speaker 3: and Colin Ray has been way better than the Cubs

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Speaker 3: could have hoped for. But yeah, back to back nights,

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Speaker 3: the pitching was not as sharp, and when that happens,

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Speaker 3: you just don't really have a chance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of angst among Cubs fans.

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Speaker 2: I understand it.

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Speaker 1: We were going to do a mailbag episode that'll be

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Speaker 1: up on Friday, so we'll we'll answer a lot of

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Speaker 1: your angsty questions. I think I think there are some

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Speaker 1: fair questions. I think there are some things. It's going

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Speaker 1: through these questions. It's very interesting what people think are

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Speaker 1: the problems and and what they're absolutely sure of as

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Speaker 1: far as who's been bad and who's been good. It's

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Speaker 1: just interesting what we see a Carson Kelly double play

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Speaker 1: and assume he's been terrible all the month there. But

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Speaker 1: but there are some things that I'm curious about and

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Speaker 1: I and we will address it. But I do think

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Speaker 1: Matt Shaw batting ninth is you know, how long are

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Speaker 1: we going to do that? How long is Greig Council

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Speaker 1: comfortable with that. I get it. He needs to he

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Speaker 1: needs to feel comfortable and he needs to like thrive

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Speaker 1: wherever he's hitting. But my guess is Matt Shaw is

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Speaker 1: confident enough to be moved up. We'll we'll address that

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Speaker 1: in a little bit. You know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: take the thunder away from our mail bag episode, but

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Speaker 1: fans are up in arms right now, and it's interesting

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Speaker 1: how quickly it swings. Three games in Anaheim, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the division again, three days later and suddenly everything's

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Speaker 1: a mess.

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Speaker 3: And you can add to that uncertainty Jamison Tyne's growing injury.

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Speaker 3: He will be going on the injured list and replaced

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Speaker 3: by Javier assad And I wrote about that in San

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Speaker 3: Francisco just because I thought it was interesting how it

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Speaker 3: was presented and how openly Tyne was talking about the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: and that essentially the quote was this is how it

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Speaker 3: was presented to me that if it were up to him,

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be starting this weekend at cors Field.

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Speaker 3: But this is someone who's had a fairly extensive injury history.

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Speaker 3: He has had a recent injury issue just this summer

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Speaker 3: that cost him almost two months more or less, and

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Speaker 3: they have a sod who is a very capable major

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Speaker 3: league starter, and to hear counsels say things like I

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Speaker 3: think he could pitch, I don't think it'll be smart

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Speaker 3: to pitch. He could probably push it, This isn't the

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Speaker 3: time to push it. And then to hear tie On

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Speaker 3: talking openly about we want to be in a good

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Speaker 3: spot for October. Things like that. You know, that doesn't

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Speaker 3: really happen that often. It doesn't certainly doesn't happen really

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Speaker 3: before this point. But it felt like, Okay, the Cubs

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Speaker 3: have just under thirty games here, they know what's in

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Speaker 3: front of them. They can be pragmatic because of their

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Speaker 3: hope that this pitching staff continues to step up. They've

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Speaker 3: done it all year long. You just wonder how long

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Speaker 3: can they do it. I think the segment was almost

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Speaker 3: almost forty games prior. I think they have the best

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Speaker 3: rotation er and the majors and just don't know if

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Speaker 3: that's going to continue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's going to be tough for yeah

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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs As far as TI owned is it, did it

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Speaker 1: sound like this is like a minimum stay. It's just

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Speaker 1: the way you were talking and the way the quotes

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Speaker 1: that I read, it seemed like this is extra caution

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Speaker 1: and like you said before October, but it I mean,

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Speaker 1: is this like a two weeks on the shelf and

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Speaker 1: he's back, is what they're thinking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see. They described it as expected to

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Speaker 3: be a minimal stint. We're talking about basically two starts.

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Speaker 3: They were working through some of the details. Tyon thought

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Speaker 3: be a little longer. But it was revealing too in

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Speaker 3: that Council is extremely conservative and he keeps pictures health

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Speaker 3: and trust. And so we'll see. Tyon made it sound

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Speaker 3: like this is kind of a minorish thing, something that

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Speaker 3: the playoffs were going on right now. But we'll just

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Speaker 3: have to see. I think everyone knows in these sort

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Speaker 3: We'll just have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's take a quick break and come

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Speaker 1: back and talk a little bit about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: Okay, Patrick, we had the twenty twenty six schedule come

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Speaker 1: out earlier this week. No Japan trip, no no what's

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Speaker 1: called the Field of Dreams game, no London trip, nothing

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Speaker 1: crazy this year, So there's no no dates to circle

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Speaker 1: and say, this is it. This is the big thing

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Speaker 1: everyone's focusing on. Frankly, I liked that let's stress about

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Speaker 1: our budget and where we'll be. But but I know

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Speaker 1: fans enjoy those those fun trips. I mean, it's only

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Speaker 1: been since twenty twenty three, but it feels like it's

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Speaker 1: been a while since they opened it home and what

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Speaker 1: a weird opening homestand with the Nationals and Angels.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I try not to complain about schedules and balanced schedules

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Speaker 1: and things like that, but I'm starting to wonder if

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Speaker 1: if this, you know, a very balanced schedule is kind

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Speaker 1: of boring and lead leads to stuff that I'm just like, really,

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Speaker 1: they're opening against the Nationals and then the Angels come

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Speaker 1: to town like in April, and at like March and

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Speaker 1: April and Chicago, Like this sounds terrible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously, when the schedule comes out, I

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Speaker 3: think we look at it for selfish reasons of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Can't remember a season where there's just one three city

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the trip I am currently on, it's

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Speaker 3: I guess the other September thing for me was six

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Speaker 1: And the reliever that they pay Cup that's thirty six

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what their offseason looks like, how good

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Speaker 1: Tommy hot Toby brought up something interesting. Kyle Hendricks pitching

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was kind of a back and forth on Friday,

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Speaker 3: To do that against, you know, a future Hall of

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Speaker 1: You know, it'd be tough to leave him off that

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Speaker 1: these guys and who else goes on that list. I

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Speaker 1: feel like Kyle Hendricks, Fergie Jenkins probably I didn't even

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Speaker 1: say Greg Maddox.

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Speaker 3: Like he's got to go on there, even if like

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Speaker 3: he's a symbol of like organizational incompetence and like one

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Speaker 3: of the worst, you know, bungled negotiations. Ever, I think

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Speaker 3: ultimately people think of him more with the Braves, even

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Speaker 3: though he was a homegrown cub. Yeah, I think it's Fergie,

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Speaker 3: of course, Maddox just because this is where he started

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Speaker 3: and he came back and you know, he clearly has

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Speaker 3: you know, very it is to their credit that they

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Speaker 3: were able to mend that relationship, and like he still

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Speaker 3: seems to it was just such a legendary figure. I

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Speaker 3: think he's got to go there, Hendrix. And then fourth,

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Speaker 3: I would probably go John Lester, but I'm curious, see

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Speaker 3: what you'd said.

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Speaker 1: I I think I I agree with you on that,

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Speaker 1: and then I start I would think about, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: does matics not go on there?

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Speaker 2: And you put Sutcliffe on.

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Speaker 1: There or uh, but for like, I think I'd lean

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Speaker 1: back to just going, yeah, you have to have Maddix

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Speaker 1: on there. He's one of the greatest pictures of all time.

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting debate would be Jake Arietta, for

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Speaker 1: that stretch that he had. Is that good enough to

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Speaker 1: put him on there? Just for that stretch? I think

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Speaker 1: the end of his time is second stint with the

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Speaker 1: Cubs was so bad that maybe you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's enough to say, like, Okay, this debate isn't worth having.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two names. Rick Suckliffe and Arieta. Carrie

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Speaker 1: Wood has a moment. If we're doing Moment Hall like

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Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore, Carrie Woods on there. He has one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest games ever pitched, period and he did it

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Speaker 1: in the Cub's uniform as a rookie. It's like one

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Speaker 1: of those unforgettable moments. You know, career marred by injuries

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Speaker 1: and and you know he's a he's a great Cub.

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Speaker 1: It just it's hard to put him on that on

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Speaker 1: that list. Other than that, I mean, there are names

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Speaker 1: that I'm just not super familiar with, like Rick.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know who Rick Rushell is right.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't, you know, watch him pitch you know

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Speaker 1: the rest of these, I mean, Carlos and Browno is

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Speaker 1: a great name to put on that list. Ken Holtzman,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, these are the names

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Speaker 1: that I think of, but like that they're not I

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Speaker 1: think I think you have the right list. I think

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Speaker 1: that's like, as much as I debate it, some of

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Speaker 1: those names, I think ultimately that's those are the four

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Speaker 1: I would go with. And I like these debates. I

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Speaker 1: like thinking about it. And it was fun to see

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Speaker 1: Kyle Hendrix out there and.

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Speaker 2: Kind of do it.

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Speaker 1: Like we didn't really talk about this, but he kind

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Speaker 1: of pitched like he always does. He didn't he wasn't

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Speaker 1: you know, like there wasn't any dominance or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't twenty sixteen version of Hendrix, but it was

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Speaker 1: the guy that just kind of gets by and it's

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Speaker 1: like wait, you look up and it's like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: had a pretty decent start. I don't remember dominating in

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Speaker 1: any way, but he got the job done. Obviously the

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Speaker 1: Angels didn't win, but he was solid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think for me, if Carlosenbrano would be more

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Speaker 3: of like a mount Moore rush More of like cubby

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Speaker 3: character characters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean because his numbers are are up there. Just didn't

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Speaker 3: quite put everything together, but just as like an amazing

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Speaker 3: homegrown sort of story, just a volatile character who was

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Speaker 3: also extremely funny and could be very warm and just

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Speaker 3: super entertaining. Like I think when you think of like

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Speaker 3: the Cubs and the Cubs being this like machine circus,

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Speaker 3: like he is there and a guy who produced for

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Speaker 3: a very long time, and I think, Carrie, what is

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Speaker 3: more one of those like Mount Rushmore of sort of

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Speaker 3: like kind of what the Cubs became almost or just

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Speaker 3: of like kind of the he encapsulates a lot of

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Speaker 3: the Cubs experience. That was always cool how he just

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Speaker 3: kind of you know, settled in the Chicago area and

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Speaker 3: hearing little stories about like him being like you know,

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Speaker 3: a bench coach on like youth baseball travel teams or

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Speaker 3: whatever it was, like photos and stuff like that. You

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Speaker 3: just see him around with someone you know who gets

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Speaker 3: it and was a you know, great link I think

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Speaker 3: to you know, Ron Santo and someone who really appreciated

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Speaker 3: playing at Wrigley. And then yeah, after that, a lot

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Speaker 3: of guys you way before our time not really modern baseball.

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Speaker 3: Not gonna put them over it, but I think I

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Speaker 3: think we got to got to a good place on

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Speaker 3: this one. Thank you Tommy Hottevey for programming our segment here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it, Tommy.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back with another episode, a mail

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Speaker 1: bag episode episode and really let you guys vent. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how Thursday's game goes. But even so, whatever happens,

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Speaker 1: I think still still there's a lot of banks in

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Speaker 1: kubby Land. Thanks so much for listening to everyone. This is

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Speaker 1: much everyone.

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Speaker 2: And everything I.

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Speaker 1: Like. Wad do they