1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Laverne Cox Show, a production of Shondaland 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Audio in partnership with iHeartRadio. Welcome to the Laverne Cox Show. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: My name is Laverne Cox. I started thrift store shopping 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: when I was in middle school. I remember I used 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: to wear lab coats. It girl. I mean, it was 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: probably a mess, but it was a way to express 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: myself creatively. And drifting in vintage shopping was something I 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: did through high school, college and after college because it 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: was affordable. And then when I got the job of 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: being Red Carpet host for E in twenty twenty one, 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I have to step up my 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: fashion pussy to paraphrase Ts Madison and also Nicki Minaj 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: had to step my pussy up. And I did that 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: in relationship to my stylist and we were like trying 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: to really like just up the anti in terms of fashion. 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: But also in twenty nineteen, well before I was a 17 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Red Carpet host, I started collecting vintage Terry Muglayer. So 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: obsessed with Mouglayer since I saw the Two Funky video 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two. If you don't know the Two 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Funky video, go to YouTube and watch it, but manfree. 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Terry Muglayer, the late Terry Muglair, who passed away just 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: a few years ago, directed that video as the George 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Michael song, and all the fashions in the video are 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Mooglayer and the Cowboy looked that Connie Fleming Waars is 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: from Spring nineteen ninety two a late Cowboy. Anyway, when 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I became Red Carpet host, my collecting like went kind 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: of went through the roof. I started like collecting more 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: and shopping more. I guess since I've been a public figure, 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of like what I've worn, I've gone through 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: my stylists, like for Red Carpets, for interviews and stuff, 31 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: and I've shopped for but not a lot. So since 32 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I've been really interested in like expanding 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: my own personal wardrobe and having that, like, I guess, 34 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: figuring out at this stage of my life, what my 35 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: fashion vision is separate from my incredible stylist right, and 36 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: so much of that has been about delving into the 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: archives of Terry Muglaire, the archives of Jean Galliano, his 38 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: own line and as well as what he did for 39 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Door and for Juvon She Alexander McQueen what he did 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: during his lifetime, and some of the pieces that in 41 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: collections that Sarah Burden has done since the queen has 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: passed away, come to Garson and is Simiaki. Those are 43 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: the main designers I've been kind of interested in over 44 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: the past several years, and I think what many of 45 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: them have in common is all of them have avant 46 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: garde tendencies. Not all of their work is avant garde, 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: but there are moments of sort of being avant garde 48 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: that I think Gaulliano and McQueen certainly have that Mouglair 49 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: certainly has, and very clearly Issi Miaki and Comte de 50 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: Garcon are more sort of known for being a little 51 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: more avant garde. And the pieces I don't have a 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: lot of Miaki, but a lot of the Miyaki pieces 53 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: I do have are pieces that Grace Jones is worn. 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: I just bought a piece of auction from the late 55 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: nineties that Grace Jones wore, and there's a couple of 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: pieces that Grace wore back in the day. There's actually 57 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this Jean Paul Gautier sort of 58 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: pick that I found that I saw Grace wear in 59 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: a photo. Literally I have the whole look now, I 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: have this hooded isi miaki, you know, pleaded two piece, 61 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: and then I have the pick that Grace woar. So 62 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: maybe for Halloween I'll be Grace Jones again. I've done 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Grace for Halloween before, living for that and come to Garson. 64 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: I love the come to Garson and Mouglaire. Those designers, 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: particularly the structural, the architectural aspects of the design really 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: excite me. I've always been into very structured clothes, and 67 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: part of the reason I love Muglair are the shapes 68 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: and the way that Muglayer's close sort of structure the 69 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: body right that there's sort of cinched waste Moveglayer is 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: known for. But like just the big broad shoulders or 71 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: the big hips and just these beautiful structures and architectural 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: designs that just accentuate the body in this really beautiful way. 73 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: And some of the designs are very sort of hyper feminine. 74 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: It's really interesting reading reviews of Mooglair's work from the eighties. 75 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: He was controversial, the shows were controversial, the clothes were controversial. 76 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: I remember there was a critic who said, but I 77 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: don't think Muglair likes women very much. This is in 78 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: the eighties, late eighties, and you know, there's a very 79 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: kind of Muglair called this woman very empowered. The Muglair woman, 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: in his eyes, was a very empowered woman. But he 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: was incorporating things like latex and a lot of course 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: its and the high heels. You know, the Muglair's woman 83 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: is very sexy, and a lot of people found this 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: offensive at the time or not sort of as high 85 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: fashion as they would have liked it to be. But 86 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean his suits. I mean I came to Muglair 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: sort of really through the two Funky video, but my 88 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: obsession with him really happened with a structured suit. I 89 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: love and I'm obsessed with the way Manfrey Terry Muglair 90 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: cut a suit. I have so many blazers from Muglare 91 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: that are just that I'm obsessed with, Like the workmanship 92 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: and the seeming and just the way he constructs a 93 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: jacket is just so utterly and completely exciting to me. 94 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: It's like I don't collect art, but I collect vintage clothes, 95 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: and there's something about vintage too, and like certain time periods, 96 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: and there was something so exciting about Galliano in the 97 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: nineties and or in the two thousands as well. What 98 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Gallianna did for Duore in the two thousands was just 99 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: so groundbreaking and exciting, and I'm obsessed. But I'm also 100 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: really obsessed with nineteen nineties Galliano as well. I own 101 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: now a number of pieces of Galliano's from the late nineties. 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: I have a few pieces from he was at Givonci 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: for a year, and I have a couple of blazers 104 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: from that collection that he did two collections for Gievonci 105 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: before he was moved over to Dire And so it 106 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: just feels lovely to have these pieces that feel kind 107 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: of historic and part of fashion history and art history 108 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: where sort of art and fashion meet. I find also 109 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: really exciting, and I think all of these designers sort 110 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: of encompass and encapsulate like the spaces where art and 111 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: fashion meet. If you look at these beautiful pieces by 112 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: Comte de Garson that are just full on art, and 113 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: it's wearable art though it's art that you can sort of, 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, put on your back. I have this beautiful 115 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: dress from Comor Garson's Blood and Roses collection from I 116 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: think it's twenty thirteen beautiful red dress. And this the 117 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: structure of it and how it's able to sit on 118 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the body and away from the body, and the asymmetry 119 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: of it is just so dope and it's so cool, 120 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: and it's just like it's just the way it's able 121 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: to like sort of exist in the world. Like it's 122 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: just so exciting. It's so exciting to me. And it's 123 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: been one of these things where I like have to, 124 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, sort of be critical and like, you know, 125 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: be careful about my spending because like some you know, 126 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: rare advantage gets, it can get really pricey, so I 127 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,119 Speaker 1: have to be careful. I don't want to go into 128 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: dead because I'm buying fashion. But I don't have children, 129 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: so my advantage is this, like my kids, it's a 130 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: college fond. I'm going to the school of like intage fashion. 131 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: It's just fun to get to wear some of these pieces. 132 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: The music video that I just released, Summertime A Trip Opera, 133 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: it's all pieces from my personal vintage collection. There are 134 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: two pieces from Mouglayer that I wear in the video, 135 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: one from his nineteen ninety five twentieth anniversary collection, another 136 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: one from around nineteen ninety two. It was a best 137 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: of Mooglaire show and Lady Miss Kir wore this boostier. 138 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if that boostie existed before that show, 139 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: but I do know that it was worn by Lady 140 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Miss Kir. I have documentation. It's cool and it's also 141 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: fun when I love a piece and I don't know 142 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: what collection it's from, and so then I'm like researching, 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm on Pinterest, I'm on the internet, I'm 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: reading articles, I'm finding research or if people send me things, 145 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: and then I figure out what collection it's from. It's 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: like really exciting. I did a video for YouTube and 147 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: there was a particular jacket. I thought it was from 148 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: his Buick Winter Collection, which is a election that was 149 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: inspired by cars that mister Muglair did, and I thought, 150 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: because of the hardware is from that collection. And then 151 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: I was like just on YouTube looking at a show 152 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, that's my jacket, 153 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: you know. And That's happened a number of times. Like 154 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: it's one of those I'll list if I'm working and 155 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: I'm feeling really stressed, I'll like open Pinterest and start 156 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: looking at black ads from like the seventies or eighties, 157 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: muglaer ads from the seventies or eighties, and like I'll 158 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: see like a piece that I've owned for years and 159 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: I like didn't have documentation of it, but like I'll 160 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: see it in an ad. I'm like, oh my god, cool. 161 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: And those things are really cool for me. And there's 162 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: just it's interesting certain collections that I gravitate towards. I 163 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: was watching his Fall nineteen ninety three collection on YouTube 164 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, I have that jacket, 165 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have that dress, Oh my god, 166 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: I have this And there's so many pieces from that collection. 167 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: I think we're maybe there'll be a video where I 168 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: just do like I have a lot of pieces from 169 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Fall nineteen ninety three. I have a lot of pieces 170 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: from Fall nineteen ninety eight. I actually have a number 171 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: of pizzas from his twentieth anniversary collection. I'm really interested 172 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: in seventies Mooglayer two. I found this this beautiful dress 173 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: that's like it's a La May dress. We're altering it 174 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: right now. It's almost done, and it's from his nineteen 175 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: seventy nine collection. It's his Brown label, and it's just 176 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: it's just so delicate, and it's so just to like 177 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: own pieces that are that old and that sort of 178 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: seminal in his development as a designer. And there's a 179 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: beautiful blazer that I found through this retailer on Etsy 180 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: of all places, and it's an impeccable condition. It's brown label, 181 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: so it was probably nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. And 182 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: there are these this front seeming that appears a lot 183 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: in his nineteen eighty eight she Double collection. But like 184 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: he was experimenting with these structural elements in blazers in 185 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: the late seventies and really perfected them and took them 186 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: to the next level by the late eighties. And that's 187 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: something really exciting for me as just a student of 188 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: a Mouglaire and a fan and a collector to see 189 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: these early iterations of these design elements that would really 190 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: be realized and taken to the extreme later in these 191 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: really beautiful, amazing ways. So exciting, so exciting. This is 192 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: a good time to take a little break. Alrighty, we're back. Also, 193 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: the process of altering as well has been really interesting. 194 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: My tailor Morgan Foot, who I found through my stylist 195 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Christina Bachell. She really created the monster. For years, I 196 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: was online and I didn't buy things because they wouldn't fit, 197 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and Morgan was like, well, I have a client who 198 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: buys something in any side and this I also and 199 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: we make it fit. And I was like, really, we 200 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: can do that, that can be done. So then I 201 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: started like buying things and crazy sizes that didn't fit, 202 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: and then we have had to do major surgery on things, 203 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: and sometimes there's too much surgery that's required so they 204 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: just don't fall properly on my body after all the work. 205 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: So I'm making different decisions unless it's really rare and 206 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: like I probably will never see it again. There's a 207 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: rare suit from nineteen ninety four that I found for 208 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: so cheap on the real reel, and I was just 209 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: like I had to get it. And it's tiny, it's 210 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: like a thirty six, and Morgan's working on it now 211 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: and it is indeed major surgery, but it's like I'm upset. 212 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: I've been obsessed with this suit forever and now I 213 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: have it and we're working on it, and it just 214 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: makes me really excited and actually am. One of my 215 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: diaries earlier, I mentioned that I love seam ripping. So 216 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: so at one point Morgan gave me a seam ripper, 217 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: and like, I love seam ripping, and what it's been 218 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: so wonderful for me personally about seam ripping some of 219 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: the Mugler jackets. There's one specifically that it's the it's 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: the jacket that opens the twentieth anniversary collection fall in 221 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five that I wore to the opening of 222 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the Mugliar retrospective Bibrooklyn Museum. And I saw that jacket 223 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: on Etsy from this Japanese retailer and it was like 224 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: equivalent to like a thirty six or even a thirty four, 225 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: tiny and it but I had never seen the jacket before. 226 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: I didn't think i'd ever see it again, and so, 227 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: and it was expensive, but I bought it, and I 228 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: was like, Morgan help. But before I gave it to Morgan, 229 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: I seam ripped it myself. And like sometimes I've gotten 230 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: better at seam ripping. At the beginning, I would open 231 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: the wrong seams or I would do I've gotten better 232 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: and then but the intricacies of that jacket blew me 233 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: away and scared me. When I opened it up. There 234 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: was just all these little pieces that moose to mug 235 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: Layer cut and put together to create the structure of 236 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: this jacket, and when you pull it apart and seam 237 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: rip it, it's like, oh my god, this is like 238 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: how do you even think to do this? You know, 239 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: It's like it's you really get into the genius of 240 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: the cut when you take it apart. And so, yeah, 241 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: it's been super super exciting fun stuff. Yeah. I like 242 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: sometimes them like La Burn, You're weird, but I'm not 243 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: judging it. But there's certain jackets I would never touch. 244 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: There's a jacket that was in my Muglayer video that 245 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: Kate Moss wore in the twentieth anniversary collect It's like 246 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: a gold silk jacket. The nature of the fabric was 247 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: so delicate. There was no way I was going to 248 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: sea rip that myself. There are certain pieces I absolutely 249 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: would never ever touch. That. Morgan absolutely has to be 250 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: the one to take it apart sometimes, you know, like 251 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: all short and sleeves on things, and so that's just 252 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: completely changing the design. But then a lot of what 253 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: we do when we alter, like we add hip pads 254 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: or we exaggerate the shape to try to sort of 255 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, get what I dear friend of mine worked 256 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: on the retrospective that of mister Muglair's worked that was 257 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: at the Brooklyn Museum. They stuffed paper apparently in some 258 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: of the blazers to you know, exaggerate the hips or 259 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: exaggerate their shoulders. Now, all those beautiful shapes that mister 260 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: Muglair did, and so when you buy the pieces, they 261 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: might not have that same shape. A lot of them do. 262 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: A lot of them are constructed in such a way 263 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: where they're just the peplum stands out in just this incredible, 264 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: awesome way. But then we'll add little things to like 265 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: really honor the shape that you see on the runway 266 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: for the piece, and then honor my body. Like I 267 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: have a long torso and I'm really tall, so most 268 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: of the waist of Muglair jackets don't hit my waist. 269 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: They're a little bit higher, so we have to adjust 270 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: for that. So making things fit for your body is 271 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: I think so important trying to especially if you alter 272 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: things that are like sort of historic pieces, you want 273 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: to be true to them and not alter them too 274 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: much because because there's resale value and stuff that I 275 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: do think about, you know, I'm like if I sell this, 276 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: then it's been altered too much, you know, it changes 277 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: the value of it. They have, I guess, become investments. 278 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: The mini pieces that I started collecting before mister Muglair 279 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: passed away, I got for so cheap, and I'm seeing 280 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: them on the secondary market for like three or four 281 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: times what I paid for them. And I've had such 282 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: a good time on the internet lately trying to negotiate 283 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: prices down. I just negotiated this beautiful suit from the 284 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: Buick Winder collection, one of my favorite collections, Fall nineteen 285 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: eighty nine. It was okay, well, it was listed for 286 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: like four two hundred, and I like put in a 287 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: bid for like, I like made an offer of like 288 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars and then they counter it with like 289 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: they countered it too, when I was like, oh my god, 290 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: that's wow. I didn't expect that. And then I counted 291 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: at fifteen hundred and then it took them a while 292 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: to reply, and I was like, oh, they're insulted. They 293 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: accepted it. They accepted it, girl, I'm like, oh my god, 294 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: it work. So I love finding a really good deal, 295 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: and like, I've found pieces that I think are insane 296 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: and incredible for like dirt Sheep from like collections that 297 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: I think are seminal, and then there's some pieces that 298 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: are clearly iconic that have been and exhibits that are 299 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: just going to be more expensive. And yeah, So I'm 300 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: at this point because I have so much muglair, I'm 301 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: trying to be very curated in my purchases and very 302 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: like is this iconic? Have I wanted this for a 303 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: realson on time. There's a suit that's coming today from 304 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: his nineteen Fall in nineteen ninety one. Excuse me Fall 305 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety collection. It's like cabaret collection, and it's a 306 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: piece that I never thought I would own. I literally 307 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: saw it online the other day and I was just like, 308 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: what the f And it was like really reasonably priced, 309 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and I obviously snapped it up. It's a forty two 310 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: in mooglair, So we'll see it's coming today, we'll see 311 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: if it fits. Hopefully we don't have to do too 312 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: much surgery. Forty and forty two, Like it's close. So 313 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: that was like a steal. That was one of those 314 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: moments of like, holy crap, this is iconic and I 315 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: own it. I have a number of pieces like that 316 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: of Mouglairs now that feel iconic to me personally. I 317 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: don't know if anyone else would feel that way. And 318 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: it's really about what brings you joy when it comes 319 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: to collecting, to vintage, like whatever it is you may collect, 320 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: it's like, does it put a smile on my face? 321 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: And these pieces, you know, I'll just like hang them 322 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: up and look at them, you know, put them on 323 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: a dress form and just look at them, or put 324 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: them on and just twirl around my apartment and play 325 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: dress up for myself. At the end of the day, 326 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: I'm buying these pieces so I can wear them, and 327 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: it's just like, ah, it's just really awesome that, like 328 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: I get to own some of these pieces that I've 329 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: been obsessed with for thirty years and now I they're 330 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: in my closet or they're in storage. A lot of 331 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: them are in storage. So yeah, that stuff brings me joy. 332 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: The research brings me joy. The old fashioned shows that 333 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: are so theatrical bring me joy. And just feeling like 334 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: a part of that in that particular time period in fashion, 335 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: something that feels historic. The fact that there are pieces 336 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: I have pieces from like the late seventies that are 337 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: in pristine condition that were so well made that obviously 338 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: the people who own them took really good care of them, 339 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: but like they're constructed in such a way that they've 340 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: just you know that they're timeless. Some pieces are probably 341 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: arguably dated, and I don't care because I love them. 342 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: There's some pieces from His Fall, these quilted jackets that 343 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: my brother thinks are so dated, and I don't care. 344 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: I just think they're fucking fabulous. So it's just, you know, 345 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: it's wearable art, it's art history, it's fashion history, and 346 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: it's just beautiful things to have in my life. So yeah, 347 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: if you can surround yourself with beauty in your life, 348 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: I think that is an incredible thing to do for yourself. 349 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't have to be expensive. It 350 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: just something that like puts a smile on your face 351 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: that you can look at every day. That's really what 352 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: it's all about. So what else is true for me 353 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: today in the realm of art meeting fashion. What else 354 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: is true is that I just feel like so empowered. 355 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: I've grown so much in terms of my fashion. But 356 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: I think, like what it's been so beautiful about collecting 357 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: vintage and really like building out a collection. Is that, 358 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: like my own sense of style has like evolved in 359 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: a way where I just feel like more myself in 360 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: terms of what I wear and what I choose to wear. 361 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: Particularly when I style myself like I'm like, this is 362 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: just me. And so it's just really exciting to be 363 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: evolving at this stage of life, you know, having a 364 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: point of view that's like grounded in like history and 365 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: where fashion meets art feels so me feels so authentic. Yeah, 366 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: And in the spirit of Andrelian Talley, he began his 367 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: career working for Deanna Rieland at the Metropolitan Museum of 368 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: Art putting together fashion exhibits, and he ended his career 369 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: doing fashion exhibits of various kinds in Dallas and it 370 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: span a College of Art and Design, et cetera. And 371 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: so there is something so exciting to me about seeing 372 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: fashion in the context of a museum and what makes 373 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: it art? You know, is there something this is something 374 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: about the structure it, There's something about the materiality. It's 375 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: something about the cut what elevates it to that space 376 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: of like wearable art. That's a great topic for conversation. 377 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: What do you think? Let me know, thank you so 378 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: much for listening to The Laverne Cox Show. Please like, subscribe, 379 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: and tell everybody you know about our little podcast. 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