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Speaker 1: rock with your game. We've been watching you since Wake

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Speaker 2: Bro, I appreciate, and I rock with y'all just as

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league, who was the

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Speaker 2: We go ahead and get it point straight to the

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Speaker 2: on that right left elbow. No dribbles either, just straight

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Speaker 2: jab me off, pull up. So it was a nice

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Speaker 2: interesting fade away. Hey, listen, that was right when you

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Speaker 3: Everybody probably think I say feeling, But Nash was next.

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Speaker 2: Nash was a tough guard and you know he was

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Speaker 3: So for me having to deal with.

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Speaker 2: Them, two guys right out right out of college, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Who outside of your squad did you get? Like when

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Speaker 4: you got in in a game, who gave it to

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Speaker 2: Man consciously thinking when I had to chase Rip Hamilton

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Speaker 2: all over the court on those pin downs and those

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Speaker 2: charlolewis Well. Boy, listen, hey, that's when NBA I would

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Speaker 2: say it was more like pinned down back screens.

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Speaker 3: You had to chase a guy and it was harder,

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Speaker 4: Open clothes underneath, and you got, you got, and you

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Speaker 1: When they running off, you gotta go around. Now you

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Speaker 2: Man, it made the game fun because you already knew

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Speaker 5: We live on location.

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Speaker 4: Me and the blackest one here virtually connected through them towers.

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Speaker 5: Today we had to.

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Speaker 4: Go to Dallas, Big d Dallas, Texas to get Winston

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Speaker 4: Salem's finest wake Forest, one of their greats. We got

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Speaker 5: Bro, thank you, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: With them Salem, sir, North Carolina boy man. When you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the best way my mama used to describe

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Speaker 2: And man, here I am today, man, and every day

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Speaker 3: It's crazy that y'all said that.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect y'all to bring that one out, you.

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Speaker 3: And I was like seeing eleven trying.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, having to.

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Speaker 6: Letting me say, they don't understand that, boy.

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Speaker 3: They don't they think you get cussed out.

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Speaker 6: Now they understand that. That's how I was.

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Speaker 1: That's how it helped me not make too many mistakes

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Speaker 3: And it helped with criticism.

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Speaker 2: Like, Bro, if you could take an old head from

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Speaker 5: That you're anything. There, you go there.

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Speaker 2: It ain't that bad man. That's why I say some

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Speaker 1: Man, Glenn High School, when did you take basketball series

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Speaker 5: So when I got to Glenn.

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Speaker 2: I was like, hell nah, like the kick ass and

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Speaker 5: Here's what it was, right.

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Speaker 1: Up, you decided to lead school and go to military school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well after your senior year, how was military school instead

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Speaker 2: I compared it to like, you know, being in jail.

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Speaker 3: But the part that I took from it was the accountability.

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Speaker 2: You know, understand that I had to do these things

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Speaker 2: I still wasn't the guard that I should have been.

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Speaker 2: So that military school was it was ahead of its time.

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Speaker 2: Now these kids doing it like it ain't nothing, but shoot,

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then so he went to the same school he

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that was what you He was my

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Speaker 4: on all of the ring it was hard grade military.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I do remember that. And I was

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Speaker 6: So what what year you graduated? Graduated? Oh so you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not class. He went to he went to

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's why I said, I don't know that I

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Speaker 3: I used to listen. I tried to get up with y'all.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the different regions we was in, it

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Speaker 6: That's anybody that almost got you didn't wait?

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Speaker 2: Appalachian State and n C State, those were the two.

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Speaker 3: And he was like, shit, Josh, I want you to

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Speaker 2: But you know, as country boys, I was like, nah,

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Speaker 1: Eventually you got yourself to Texas anyway, Yeah, Texas man

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Speaker 3: Now you at college and everything.

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Speaker 4: Did the hard grave military help you get prepared for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely was prepared when I got out of

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Speaker 3: But I was completely opposite.

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Speaker 2: I was coming in there taking people's jobs, and that

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Speaker 1: You playing center in high school, did that help you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with my mid range game, you know, anything

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Speaker 2: they always taught me, like if nobody was paying attention,

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Speaker 3: One dribble, I'm getting to the basket.

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Speaker 2: So I used to always keep those little things in mind,

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Speaker 2: Lord going right though, Oh you know I have problems

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Speaker 2: I've always been a team player, man, And that's that's

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Speaker 2: what it was about. You know, sh I won championships

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Speaker 3: So I always try to keep that shit in mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, going through your sophomore year, y'all, y'all go to

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Speaker 6: But then your senior years.

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Speaker 1: Like it's all came came into fluition, like it all

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Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, man, it was a grind, man, because you know,

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Speaker 2: he helped me realize that it was more than life

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Speaker 2: like after what I wanted. So when we got to

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Speaker 2: second round, but we.

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Speaker 3: Were pretty good my senior year.

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Speaker 2: Bro, they had us slated to be last in the

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Speaker 3: To go out like that my senior year.

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Speaker 2: And I knew I could have came out for the

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Speaker 2: I stayed in and went ahead and graduated. But Bro,

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Speaker 2: every morning I put the standings above my apartment room

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Speaker 2: I was like daily reminder, Yeah, bro, and I had

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Speaker 2: five freshmen justin Gray, Eric Williams. Shoot, boy, I'm so old.

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Speaker 2: I can't really name a team. Oh, Chris ellis.

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Speaker 2: Boy, Jesus, Yeah, so them boys. I willed them boys

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Speaker 2: to play man. And that's one thing I say for

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Speaker 2: I've seen it, I've done it. So it's just a

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Speaker 2: the things that I did that year really, you know,

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Speaker 2: even that's how I met Markue's dames. I know, we're

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm gonna say. You're talking about your senior year.

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Speaker 4: Your senior year, you got National Player of the Year,

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Speaker 4: like to like you say, to do it at wait

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Speaker 4: how much did that mean to you? And like like

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Speaker 4: you said, you you pretty much topped it off, you

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Speaker 3: Man, it was a gratifying moment.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I had the haters when I went

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, nah, y'all on one man, like that,

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Speaker 2: So again, to do all that and see the haters

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Speaker 2: just because I didn't think I.

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Speaker 3: Was gonna make it in the league.

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Speaker 2: But again, you know, I had to get that mindset like, nah,

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Speaker 2: So it worked out for the best because I think,

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Speaker 2: Harry Giles was another one to come right behind me

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Speaker 2: and you know, make it.

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Speaker 5: To the league. Y'all. I know my impact.

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Speaker 2: It was just crazy to sit back and think about

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Speaker 2: it now, like dang, that was. That was every bit

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Speaker 2: of twenty plus years ago. Man, So I'm just thankful

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Speaker 2: to you know. It's all over. Dog Gray is crazy crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talked to keiths Man and he told y'all first

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Speaker 1: interaction said, when he was playing y'all in the tournament, Man,

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Speaker 1: they was talking noise to you, and he was like, man, nah,

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Speaker 1: I ain't one of them.

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Speaker 6: I ain't finna go. That's your first interaction.

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Speaker 1: With Keith and y'all wind up being real close homeboys

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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 6: Y'all was the second seed in Auburn Beach.

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Speaker 2: Y'all right, Yeah, beat us beat us by I want

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Speaker 2: to say six something like that. But it was a

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Speaker 2: hell of game. He's canceled each other out. It was

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Speaker 2: this player named Bird. He was a defensive player. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I still remember this ship, this boy that got his

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Speaker 5: And we were.

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Speaker 2: Like, Yo, can anybody Damn, I'm gonna call out my

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Speaker 2: boy Justin.

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Speaker 6: Gray little he went on scouting report.

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Speaker 2: He was on it, but it was for defense, Like this,

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Speaker 2: dude ain't gonna score nothing. Ended up scoring about twenty

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Speaker 2: and that was that was the difference in the game.

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Speaker 2: And then, like I said, my boy Justin Gray, who's

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Speaker 2: the head coach at Coast of Carolina, shout out Justin.

444
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,480
Speaker 2: He decided to be a freshman that wanted to shoot us.

445
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 3: Out the game. I'm just gonna call it out like that.

446
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: So I should have been getting the shots that he you.

447
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 5: Know, it is what it is, man.

448
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 2: He was confident enough to take him and I believe

449
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 2: in him. They just didn't fall. So it was the

450
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: hell of a game. And like you say, for me

451
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 2: and Marquis to form that bond that we did and

452
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 2: she get drafted to Dallas both man, it was just

453
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: like you know, dang, I got a brother from another mother,

454
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 2: kind of like y'all too shit, Like y'all too you

455
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Well, we just did a lot together,

456
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,919
Speaker 2: We meshed, we related to a lot of stuff. We

457
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 2: grew up in a lot of similar situations, so it

458
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: was just like a brother from another Let me.

459
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 4: Ask you this, with your draft process, did you how

460
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 4: many workouts did you do?

461
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 3: Uh? Because I was I did nine?

462
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 5: Okay, if nine me and Keiths was in the teens,

463
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 5: you feel me and Keith was in the teens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: That was a grind too, you know for me to

465
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 2: hear that, because a lot of y'all young at that

466
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 2: time had to grind it out, because a lot of

467
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: a lot of us were similar, I would say. So

468
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 2: even in my case, like I didn't even get drafted

469
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,239
Speaker 2: in the lottery, and I knew what the reason was,

470
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: but you know, I just had to deal with it,

471
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So for me, just knowing

472
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: that Dallas believed in and understood that I was steal

473
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: in the draft, it was like shit, fuck all the

474
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: rest of these teams like gonna make them all, you know,

475
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 2: understand why they should have.

476
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 4: So you was supposed to be projected a lottery pic

477
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 4: but you dropped.

478
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest, the only reason I dropped

479
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: because I was honest about who I was at the

480
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 2: time before everybody started doing their thing. You catch my drift?

481
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's crazy to see it come around

482
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: for a circle. Now where ain't a problem. So you know,

483
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 2: for me, you know, sometimes you got to be the

484
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 2: guy that takes the bullet and it is what it is.

485
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: But you know, being ahead of the curve tells you

486
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 2: a lot about who you are and how you process things.

487
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 6: So definitely do, definitely do.

488
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 5: Did you actually go to the draft?

489
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: Nah?

490
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: Man, I was at home because you know, I was

491
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 2: realistic man like, I'd rather be around my family, and

492
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: that's just me in a nutshell. I'd rather be with

493
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 2: the people who've seen me come up than just random

494
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: people that I don't know, you know, And that's not

495
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Speaker 2: a dig at them, it's just again, I'm more of

496
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 2: a family oriented person the way I was raised. A

497
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: lot of people don't notice, but I was raised around

498
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Speaker 2: a bunch of women. So he was just me and

499
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: like my brother and my older cousin and then everybody

500
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: else with girl cousins and aunts. So I got to

501
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 2: hear a lot of the game from women and how

502
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: to hamble myself as a man the way women wanted

503
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: to see you get what I'm saying, And so for me,

504
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: that's why I said a lot of people and they

505
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: even judged me for some of the things I said

506
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 2: back in the day where they didn't have a clue

507
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: that I was educated black man. They just went off

508
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: of what I said. It was just like, yo, people

509
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 2: don't know me or know us as individuals. So you know,

510
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: I'm just being thankful to know who I am and

511
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: be able to push through all that type stuff to be.

512
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Speaker 3: A great colla.

513
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

514
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: I was raised by the women too, some tough women, man.

515
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: All dam they put it on and let me slack

516
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 1: it all and to beat you up. Oh yeah, yeah,

517
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: my mama had a Louisville slugger ready to swing something,

518
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: ready to swing something.

519
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 5: Hey. So so let me ask you this.

520
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 4: You was at the crib with your family like and

521
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 4: I know you probably looking at dudes because you got

522
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 4: picked twenty knights, So you had to feel in my

523
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 4: head like you looking at all these people get picked

524
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 4: and you.

525
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: Just seize it.

526
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: But even still, how did it feel when you did

527
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 4: finally get to hear your name called and know that

528
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: you you know what I'm saying, You didn't fulfill this

529
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: moment that you've been working for for a long time.

530
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: Man, it was surreal, man, Like, just like you saying

531
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: that just brings the memory back. Like I was outside,

532
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: like y'all in the last we just ready to jump

533
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: the agent.

534
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 4: We so we was ready as.

535
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: He stayed in the house. Was about number fifteen, me

536
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: and my home. But we went outside and started drinking,

537
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: you know, just like fuck it is what it is, yeah, man,

538
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: Bro Felers. I came back in the house literally twenty

539
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: ninth pick was about to start. I'm walking in the

540
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 2: house and I'm like, man, fuck this shiit second round

541
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: with the pick in the whatever draft the Dallas Mavericks take.

542
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: Because mind you, like I said, I did nine workout.

543
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I ain't work out for these buthers.

544
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: Like man, they called my name fellas and it was real.

545
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 2: They just started showing my highlights and I'm looking like, man,

546
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: they that's me.

547
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 3: And so my grandma.

548
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: Man, I've seen her and all I could think about

549
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: is everything she's done for the family.

550
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: My mama and I just went over.

551
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: There, held him and started crying, Bro, because I like

552
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: you say, what we worked for, man, the lifestyle we've

553
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: had the young black men, Bro, and this outlet is

554
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: sometimes the only outlet we have to get out of

555
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: where we're from.

556
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 5: Bro.

557
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: It was like a weight, not all the weight.

558
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: But a lot of that lived after show I went

559
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: through and it was the same thing. It was just

560
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: a rewind of everything I went through, every game, every

561
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: time I was in the gym to that moment to

562
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: get to that moment, and it just went through my

563
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 1: head real quick. And the sacrifice that my mom and

564
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: my grandmama and everybody else made at that moment, you

565
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying to get there.

566
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Speaker 6: So I definitely feel what you're saying that yeah.

567
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 3: Bro, and that I can say for a lot of

568
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: us that means a lot. Man. So that's why we

569
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 3: meet coaching, because I'm.

570
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: Coaching at the NAII level and I know I don't

571
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: get the best kids, but mentally preparing them to become men.

572
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: It's like, Bro, a lot of these kids are lost

573
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: with that Instagram or trying to get gratification. I be

574
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: having to break these to break it down. Like yesterday,

575
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: I had to break it down with one of my

576
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: players because I'm telling him about trusting and how coaches

577
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: have to trust you in order to play you.

578
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: Like again, like there's no me just saying here you

579
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: go because you're on my team.

580
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: Fellas, Like you got to do something to make me

581
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: believe in you, Like I believe y'all already, but got

582
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: trust you on that.

583
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: Court, bro.

584
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you when you can make third graders

585
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: and fourth graders look like they don't make mistakes and

586
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: look good from highlights, yeah, just imagine what you can

587
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: do for a middle school or high school. Like, Yeah,

588
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: I can make your five shots that you make, make

589
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: it look like you hit thirty thirty with these high eyes,

590
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: with these highlights. But when you really sit down and

591
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: see you and down your game, you ain't really who.

592
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 5: They say you is, man.

593
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: And it's a highlight era to put it on Instagram

594
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: to show that you you look like something. But when

595
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: the when the ship hit the fan, you know it,

596
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: when you put them in front of somebody that's just

597
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna dog theyea exactly.

598
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: Listen, I say what you're gonna do when you start

599
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: smelling that popcorn and the other lights come on?

600
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 5: Straight up?

601
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 4: Hey, that's the real one right there. Still on the

602
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: draft night? Who So, did you get a call after

603
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: you got drafted? The qube call you?

604
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: How did that happen that you fly private the next

605
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 5: day to Dallas?

606
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, listen rask the riches real quick, right.

607
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 5: What I want to know is this is your first time.

608
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 5: This is your first said, this is your first time

609
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: on the private it's your first time. You know the

610
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: little corporate airport here, you know the regular airport.

611
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Clear So like you got the call from Cuban and

612
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: Donnie and don they told me the next day to

613
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: fly the Greensboro airport, which is the reason.

614
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 5: He said, ain't ain't no but twenty two, like what's

615
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 5: going on? My mom? And got.

616
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: Got to Dallas in like an hour thirty minutes. They

617
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: picked me up, did my interview because it was just

618
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: me that got drafted, so it was real easy, and

619
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: then they flew my ass back to North Carolina.

620
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 5: Again.

621
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: For me, it was just like wow, like damn, I

622
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: done made it. Like I say, we had to chill,

623
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: get ready for the summer league. And when I never forget.

624
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: When I got the summer league, I seen him in

625
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: the line. I said, oh, get what's up? He said, yeah,

626
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: they drafted me the second round. I said, ship And

627
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: from that point on, Bro, we've been together, walking to

628
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: practice together, just learning.

629
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 6: They said, yeah, it was roommates. And that's when y'all started.

630
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 2: Man you say, y'all, I just just became one to

631
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: Vine started. Yeah, man, and just just I mean, it

632
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: was some things that happened that we could kind of

633
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: see like it was gonna be me in him versus

634
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: the world. But we understood it, you know what I'm saying,

635
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: Like we knew like on being in this league long.

636
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: We had to go and let them know he was

637
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: gonna be in this league. So like what Keith did

638
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: his rookie year playoff series. Fellas like to be live

639
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: watching it and seeing how they treated us like rookies

640
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: the whole year. But Keith was like fuck it and

641
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: like I'm going to get my bag. Listen, Fellas, Key

642
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: should shit, I should have got traded before Keith just

643
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: because of the value he brought this shit. I know

644
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: people might disagree, but Keith was a big guard and

645
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: he could see the floor. He could score it wheel

646
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: and that's what I loved about his game. He played defense.

647
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I was telling him, like, man, they

648
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of veterans, and they always brought in

649
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: former veterans that was superstars to other teams and kind

650
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: of meshed them together. But the key piece was y'all

651
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: because y'all was the two versatile players that they had.

652
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: Y'all had to got all the tough guys that like

653
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: all the hard the Kobe's, the d way.

654
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: Them y'all. Y'all always brought.

655
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: The energy for them to bring these other veteran guys

656
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: in and to having y'all was like that piece that

657
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: like I love when they start really playing y'all and

658
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: start playing y'all together, it's like y'all chemistry.

659
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: It was.

660
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 5: It was.

661
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: It was different outside of you know, you definitely have Dirk,

662
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: and you have Nash, and you have all these other guys,

663
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: but you and Keith chemistry was like that one recipe

664
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: that that put that pot to make that gumbow.

665
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: Taste real real good.

666
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: And like we always rock with y'all and love the

667
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: way out y'all rock together.

668
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah again, I take a page out of y'all book.

669
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: Fellas like I don't, well, I know y'all noticed, but

670
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't think y'all get y'all flowers enough on how

671
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: influential y'all were to a generation.

672
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: Fellas like me and Keith.

673
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: Watched y'all and was like, she looks they play like

674
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: they together and they having fucking fun. That's that's the thing.

675
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Y'all was having fun. And so for me and Keith,

676
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 2: it was like, well, shit, we know we're gonna make

677
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: our mistakes, but let's have fun like the boys doing

678
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: over there, Like let's really show these this team that

679
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: we are the glue that.

680
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: Keeps everything together. So again, thank y'all being.

681
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: Y'all because y'all helped us be us.

682
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 5: How was it?

683
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Because I know, man, I didn't really realize what I

684
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: had in like Q and Kean and Cory them until

685
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I got traded to Cleveland.

686
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 6: Of having somebody.

687
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: There that like they in the locker room with you,

688
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: they they had practiced with you, they at the games

689
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: with you that you can kind of compensate with and

690
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: kind of brainstorm with and.

691
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 6: Go back and forth and having keys there.

692
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: You know, somebody that that's your age.

693
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 6: That's going through the same thing that you kind of

694
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 6: going through.

695
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: But you you got a guy there that you can

696
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: actually talk to because you know, you go home, you

697
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: can talk to your homeboys and all that stuff, and

698
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: they always gonna take your side, but they don't really

699
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: know what's going on in the.

700
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: Locker room, what's being said.

701
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: But to have cuter with me and key on them

702
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: to kind of check me if I'm tripping and kind

703
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: of give me my props if I'm doing something good.

704
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: How was that to have Key Starre with you to

705
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: go through the mental part of it.

706
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good, Like you say, to have somebody

707
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: to lean on them and vice versa for him, because

708
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: again that learning curve, even though we was good in college,

709
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: it's still a lot you got to learn those first

710
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: two or three years in the league. And too many

711
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: people coming in the league as rookies and you already

712
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: know doing their thing.

713
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: It's only like two people have three maybe, So if you.

714
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: Say to have that counterpart again that has similar backgrounds

715
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: from you understand what it is to be humble, And

716
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: that was another thing I say to Keys, he was

717
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: a humble young man and that, you know, for me,

718
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 2: that's a I hang around as people who understand what

719
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: it is to be grateful of what they have. It

720
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: really helped us prepare ourselves again. And we have great vets.

721
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: Like I said, Dirk hands down one of one of

722
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: the greatest vets to lead by example. Didn't say much,

723
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: but watching his man rhythm how you practiced was awesome.

724
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: Findly definitely was another one that helped me and Kes

725
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: just become better professional trip Yeah.

726
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: Bro man like Mike Lowry. We call him Mike Lowry.

727
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: I feel yeah, Mike Lowry, he got the whips, gonna

728
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: be dressing fly clean.

729
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 5: As a west. Let me ask you this and do

730
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: you like to tell you the other part?

731
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Every time you seen Finn, he had his shirt tucked

732
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: and neat, and every day it was like perfect, right.

733
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Make sure it's tucked in and everything yep, shoes placed

734
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: precisely professional even to the game. If it's a sweat suit,

735
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: a little two piece suit. Whatever, he cleaned.

736
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: You don't even got no lint on that thing. That

737
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: thing is just perfect and and and tied. Nothing moved

738
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: off to the right and nothing looking. Everything looked perfect.

739
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: Everything. They trust me, trust me, Josh. I studied Finn.

740
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: You hear me for somemmers on end. I used to

741
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: get to the gym and just watch Finn and Juwan Howard.

742
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: Just watch what they doing, like watch how they vibe.

743
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: We called both Mike Lowry. They both was the ogs

744
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: with the flyers whips cause money mat.

745
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: You said, they was.

746
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 4: They had to respect of everybody and they were good dudes.

747
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: They always were gonna holler at the young boys, holler

748
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: at them.

749
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: And try and put some game to them and stuff.

750
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 5: And I always got respect for Finn.

751
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: And like he did a lot for the Maths organization man,

752
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: and I just again respect him because when he left,

753
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: that was another piece that helped me get to where

754
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: I was at. And I knew they was passing the

755
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: torch to me, but it was like, Damn, I'm seeing

756
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: my big bro another big bro go. So you know,

757
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: like I say, to see them guys when I go

758
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: back to the Gameland. It's just it's just cool to

759
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: be able to say I was a teammate to them

760
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: because I learned from them and we had great memories

761
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: that we produced as me straight.

762
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Up playing for a team like Dallas the years that

763
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: you was there, Like I said, they always brought like

764
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: the different type of superstars. I know, before you got

765
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: to league, you was watching all these guys and now

766
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: these guys is coming through the door. The you know,

767
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: the Antoine Walkers, the Antoine Jamison's, the Michael Finleys, the Dirks,

768
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: the Jason Terry's and all of the bull How was

769
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: that to play on these teams with these guys that

770
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: you just you know, you was watching your whole basically

771
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: your whole life watching them coming up and now they

772
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: coming through Dallas.

773
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 6: And you with them. You know what I'm saying, you

774
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 6: playing with them, Well, it kind.

775
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: Of grew me up fast to the point that I

776
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: couldn't be starstruck you know what I'm saying as far

777
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: knowing that ship, I'm a player just like these mud

778
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: like I gotta do my job. So for me, I

779
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: will never have my fan moments, especially like watching him

780
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: when I was in middle school and they was in college.

781
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: Because I never forget when Travis Best was my team,

782
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I used to watch you, Jordia Tech.

783
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: I used to think it was cold like Travis bess left.

784
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 6: Best was that dude that he was.

785
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: Listen and you were again having that. It was like

786
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: damn or either I throw this name. I was gonna

787
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: mess you up. That I was a fan of Tony

788
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: Delk listen to.

789
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 6: Get up.

790
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: Nobody will ever bring his name up as a bucket

791
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: geter because they don't give him his flowers that listen.

792
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: I learned from guys that hoopers too, So like you said,

793
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: I was very fortunate and Keys for was to to

794
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: get put at an organization. And I think y'all agree

795
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: with me too, that was ahead of the curve too

796
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: compared to organ other organizations at that time.

797
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that with Keys. We say, goddamn, Q,

798
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: get he get he get the little pioneer wards on

799
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 4: making them, making a lot of people, making a lot

800
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: of teams, do a lot of things, man, and make

801
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: some improvements. Because that buzz of what he had going

802
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: on in Dallas, everybody in the league was talking about.

803
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 4: It was Dallas was at the time being Portland has

804
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: some like y'all on the Paul Allen was doing it

805
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: big too, but like nobody had more buzz about their

806
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: organization and what the owner was doing than Q when

807
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: he came. When he it was it was crazy because

808
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 4: like we went today. You remember we went today. We

809
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 4: came to Dallas one time just we had we used

810
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: y'all practice for like we was walking around like kids,

811
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: and we thought we were some kids that then found

812
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: our way to the North Pole.

813
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: Bro. Mind you, I gotta put it into perspective. Mind you.

814
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 4: We practicing at Southwest Juco, a junior college in south

815
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: central l A. Bro in South central l A. Bro,

816
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 4: no showers. We don't even get the shower. We gotta

817
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 4: put the towns on our to drive home and take

818
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 4: a shower. Bro, they have no shower. Is it like

819
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: it was?

820
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: Like it was like high school.

821
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: High We got the little things just stuck in the

822
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 4: thing with the spouts all around.

823
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 5: You don't even watch, but you can't. It don't even work.

824
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 6: We had to go home and take We.

825
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: Had to go to Like when we came to Dallas

826
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 4: and we used y'all presidences were looking like PlayStations and

827
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: they got.

828
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: TVs and that individual team thought we was in the future.

829
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: We like and it's crazy, like you said, because that

830
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: piece in itself, like you said, when you know the

831
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: owner is taking care of you, you're play harder for him.

832
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, your respect, the fact that

833
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: you have this stuff. Like now, granted, did we play

834
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: those PlayStations. I know I never played mine, but just

835
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: knowing that.

836
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: I had it and the fact.

837
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: That everybody wanted to be a part of that made

838
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: me understand the importance of taking my job seriously. That

839
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: was another part of it. And also you know, played

840
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: the part in us being successful.

841
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: Because Hey, I just thought about this. This this is

842
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: stupid side boy, But tell me the story about when

843
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: you were supposed to you had the mic and you

844
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: was about to say something and d A came up

845
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: and said, how about the cowboy.

846
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: I forgot about and that we should not exclude.

847
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: That they was man, they were big man.

848
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 5: D know, we talked about it with d A on

849
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 5: the thought about it. Theybody get out of town on

850
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 5: that one.

851
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: Trade him that night at night because Washington Reskins me

852
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: Dallas like literally we fin the talk how about them

853
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: cowboys was like like like we just lost, like literally

854
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: and we ain't trying to think about that.

855
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: So the fails hot about us. Yeah, but d A

856
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: two and I he definitely helped us grow up. Like

857
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: d A story and I know y'all did it and

858
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: looking at like his story is amazing.

859
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: And that's another North Carolina boy.

860
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: Man.

861
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: So to this day, man not talk to that guy.

862
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 2: He always got something to say that makes sense.

863
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Man, one of the Yeah, he one of the guys

864
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: that we love seeing him coming, man, because he gonna talk,

865
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: He's gonna break the ice. He make it easy love

866
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: to play against him. Man, he out there doing this

867
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: thing and He just reminded me of one of them

868
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: dudes from the hood that can hoop real, real good

869
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: and made it all the way to the league. Like

870
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I seen a lot of dudes from my hood, just

871
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: like da you you.

872
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: Just seeing you see twenty d as at the park

873
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: right now? He had them to go the whole way,

874
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 4: but like they act.

875
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 6: Just like d like him.

876
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: Man, he reminded me of somebody from my hood. That's

877
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: why I always related to him and rock with him,

878
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: because man, he he was dope to me.

879
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: Man, they tell me about this though, like because you

880
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: was a dude that came right in and got the play.

881
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: So tell me, like, how was that for you? When

882
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 4: you got you came away for it, So you know,

883
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: you didn't get picked as high as you wanted to get,

884
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: But then you got to this dope ass team and

885
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: you get to be a you a rotational player, you

886
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: in it like you playing for don Nelson. You know

887
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. The MAVs, Like, how was that for

888
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: you to be? Like all right, like, nah, you know

889
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 4: that happened, but like I'm still out here representing, I'm playing.

890
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 4: I'm putting in work too. Yeah it let me know.

891
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: I was trending in the right direction.

892
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't gonna be that offensive guy was

893
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: leaving wake far As because of you already know Dirt

894
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: Nash Finn like that.

895
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 5: I didn't dirt scool.

896
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: I needed to find my niche and I never forget

897
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: this one practice practice Donnie was like, you know, you

898
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: know why this rookie plays because he rebounds and he

899
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 2: defense and that's all I could do, you know what

900
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So, you know, for me finding that niche

901
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: and getting us like an extra what eight possessions you know,

902
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: went a long way. I knew if I could get

903
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: us some more possessions that would help us, you know, win.

904
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: And then defensively, qu was a defensive stopper. The mind

905
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna you d wasn't good. He was ready

906
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: to meet people at the rim. But Q understood, like, Bro,

907
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: I gotta be you hear.

908
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: That hold up out never played No, indeed, Bro, I

909
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: can't believe you said no ship like that?

910
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: Why is you acting like this right now? Man, this

911
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 4: is somebody we had to see.

912
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 6: He no, like, this is that ship right now?

913
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 4: This is this is an on going debate. Proof in

914
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 4: the flap don't try to.

915
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 6: Change his brother.

916
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 5: Man, he already talked to his take that.

917
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 4: Man there being bad to your guess.

918
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 5: You're not letting you guess talk. Man, Let your guest talk.

919
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 5: He a guest, he is his time to talk.

920
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: Say something after that, I'm saying, Josh, you have the floor.

921
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: The mins we played Phoenix a lot, a lot of

922
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: series you rich.

923
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: Joe like I had to guard him.

924
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: They had to guard me Bro and they played d

925
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: now ready was a high scoring game, but they played defense.

926
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: I can't shoot you down like.

927
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: He just want to hate Bro. He just want to

928
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 4: hate Josh. Like you know what I'm saying.

929
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 5: There wasn't no teafens and stopping when we was in

930
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 5: LA the first two years.

931
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: I wasn't no defensive stop up. But like he acts

932
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 4: like he wasn't watching me. After that, like I had

933
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: to do what I had to do. I had a

934
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 4: gauntlet every night when I started to play, I had

935
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 4: to see Kobe ray Allen him who like every night

936
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: it was if I don't d up, I'm on I'm

937
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: on the highlight where you at.

938
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: I ain't on nobody's highlights. Getting just murdered.

939
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 7: And he was strong on your ass to get hit.

940
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 7: You say, he know, Josh, there he is, No, he

941
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 7: just be talking ship. Can I talk?

942
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 6: Josh?

943
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: Ship was going real This ship was going real good

944
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: until you said some ship like that.

945
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 6: Ain't no way in hell.

946
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Then you then you're gonna say he'll defend and he'd

947
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, d I you just meet him

948
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: at the rim, Black.

949
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 5: Shot, Loud team magg and all that stuff.

950
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 6: What you talking about?

951
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: You see how loud we get fresh.

952
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 6: From high school, from high school the best.

953
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: Well you right the mins.

954
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 6: You weren't doing nothing but blocking shot.

955
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 5: But you don't get this motherfucker prompts. No, we can fit,

956
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: we can d this ship right now?

957
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: This is that ship.

958
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 6: Wow, this is a clip ship heard on the old

959
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 6: knuckle Head.

960
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: This is a clip. This is an all team clip you.

961
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 6: Got playing that ship you got you know, Josh.

962
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 5: Dam I'm sweating. I got one.

963
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Q was just a violent motherfucker from Chicago that was

964
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: out there just island.

965
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 6: Motherfucker's hard and ship.

966
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 5: That's all he was. He went out there playing O

967
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 5: goddamn d I can't believe.

968
00:43:54,200 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: This stupid all the old film. Now I'm like, Okay,

969
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: ain't no Jay.

970
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: I appreciate We got it on wax now, baby, we

971
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 4: got it on wax now.

972
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 5: Baby.

973
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: Can't you keep taking the physicality from the actual d man?

974
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 6: You can't move him.

975
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: Goddamn feet.

976
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 5: You can't move the motherfucking feet, fat feet.

977
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 6: Motherfucking he could feet, he couldn't move.

978
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: The man who wears the size twenty, says the man

979
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: who side who wears the size twenty.

980
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: He telling me, I couldn't move my puppies. How you

981
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 5: moving them? Damn boats?

982
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 6: I was faster than you.

983
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 5: Man. It was on skis out there. That's why here

984
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 5: be had jet skis on his seet. Boy, what size twenty?

985
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 6: You see what what you started?

986
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: Man?

987
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 5: This ship was going right?

988
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 6: Did you mention that ship?

989
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm reeling it back here, let's get back on that.

990
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: Just as long as the world had heard that q

991
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 4: Rich was a defendant and on your shot blocker.

992
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 6: Now that's crazy.

993
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: I never heard nobody say no ship like that.

994
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: You have to go out because now I'm over here thinking, boy,

995
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: you have to deal with the young Kgs, the Tim Duncans,

996
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: the yeah brother come on now, yeah.

997
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 6: As you know that wasn't true.

998
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: I was locking some ship up to block shot here

999
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: there but he was getting his ass tattooed. Dunk jump, Uh,

1000
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: Chris Webber jump. The man was a eighty five soaking wegs.

1001
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: He couldn't do nothing with that.

1002
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: He could beat him up.

1003
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 4: Like you said, you meet somebody rim and swatch some

1004
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: ship in it be on Sports Center and he on

1005
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 4: sports and then he go dunk on somebody.

1006
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's gonna get you on the little side.

1007
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 4: He's gonna hit you with the iron cy crossover right

1008
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: the left and then go dunk on you.

1009
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 5: And he blocked the shot.

1010
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: You know, bro, no, bro, no, I was more of

1011
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 4: a lock up defensive than you are. You had more

1012
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: block I.

1013
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Think you He did that because cowboys at the cause

1014
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: were doing bad, right the cowboys at the beginning of

1015
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: the interview, and he just wanted to do that to

1016
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: spite me. Oh that's crazy, man, Defender, since we.

1017
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 4: Talking about defense and stuff and this, defenders talked talk

1018
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 4: to me about like, man, you had one of the

1019
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: hardest assignments in your first finals. Man, you had to

1020
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 4: guard that flash Man, you had to guard that d Wade.

1021
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 4: That was the and that was the young and young

1022
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 4: and thunk and d Way when he was trying to

1023
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: make a name, and he was hungry, Like, tell me

1024
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 4: how that was for that series to have to chase

1025
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 4: that man man around because he was a man on

1026
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: a mission.

1027
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 5: That that man.

1028
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely was a man on the mission man.

1029
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: And it was a hell of a series, you know,

1030
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: especially with us being up too. Oh yeah, you know,

1031
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: we just didn't finish the series out there. You know,

1032
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: hats off to them because they had leadership in there,

1033
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 2: and we had leadership also, but they had leadership that

1034
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: had one rings, so you know, he was able to

1035
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: hone in on what they was talking and doing and

1036
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: also being able to execute, you know, and ultimately that's

1037
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: what it boiled down to. It was just the execution,

1038
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: and they was able to finish us off man. But

1039
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: being able to play against the young d Wade, who

1040
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: I also played against in college too, I understood what

1041
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: it was that we was on that same plan field,

1042
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: and he got the keys to an organization which caused

1043
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: him to really excel, really understand what it was what

1044
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: he was doing in college and you know, make it

1045
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 2: expand in the league. So I think he took full

1046
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: advantage of his opportunity and I'm so I'm excited to

1047
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: see even you know, even though the statue looked a

1048
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: little crazy, but he got a statue. And it's just

1049
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: dope to see people really the respect of the league

1050
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: because I feel like, you know, before our era, it's

1051
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: a lot of these basketball players that should have statues

1052
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: or something, you know, showing what they did or these organizations, man,

1053
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: because a lot of sacrifice into that.

1054
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: I know y'all can feel me when I say this.

1055
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: We got a lot of as and pains after we retire,

1056
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: and a lot of that shit comes from us as

1057
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: selling out and you know, selling out for organization, man.

1058
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: So I feel like the decent thing they can do

1059
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: is just really you know, show love to a lot

1060
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: of these form players.

1061
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 4: Nah, especially when you talk about d Wade, but that's

1062
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: somebody who you know, d Miles played a you with that.

1063
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: I knew him from a young age and then you know,

1064
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: to know where he came from and you know, be

1065
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: rewarded in that way like he.

1066
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: Should because we watched it, We watched.

1067
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 4: It in real time and he he is the best

1068
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: that organization has ever had. So I love the way

1069
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: that he you know what I'm saying, show love. They

1070
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 4: always celebrate him. They always go way over the top

1071
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: and do it as big as they can and do

1072
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: it super first class and make it a big, big

1073
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: thing every time. And so I love like you said,

1074
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: I love that they appreciate him and they show him love,

1075
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: and they every single time he shows up in Miami,

1076
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 4: it's a celebration.

1077
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 5: It's a big deal.

1078
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 4: Don't matter if it's a plan, if he just show up,

1079
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: that fan base, that organization, they celebrate him and champion

1080
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: him like they absolutely should. And I feel y'all agree

1081
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: with you, like the County Wade, County name the street

1082
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 4: after them, get him a strat you and I'm sure

1083
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: they'll find some other way to celebrate him again because

1084
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 4: he deserves it, and they continue to do the right thing.

1085
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 4: And I know you d Zo and all them boys

1086
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: to be up next because they definitely deserve their statues too.

1087
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, real talk, Re'll talk.

1088
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: That year y'all went to the finals, Like that year,

1089
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you kind of came into your own.

1090
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: You came you became like the third leading scorer on

1091
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: the team and just going all the way to the

1092
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: finals and being the number one defender on y'all team.

1093
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: And even though y'all lost, going into that next season,

1094
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: you stepped up even more. You start averaging eighteen points

1095
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: and you made your first All Star game. To where

1096
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: was you when you heard that you made the All

1097
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Star team? And you know, when you make an All

1098
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Star team, your peers and everybody appreciating the way you

1099
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: playing the game and what you bringing to the table

1100
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: on the winning team. So where were you at when

1101
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: you first heard it? How did you feel when you

1102
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: heard you was going to the All Star team?

1103
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: Oh, he was.

1104
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: In practice, just like any other day. He was in

1105
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: practice doing a thing, and Avery stop. It was like, yeah,

1106
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: they did that All Star thing today. You know, Avery,

1107
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: I can't get his voice all the way. It did

1108
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: that All Start thing today. But I think they made

1109
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: a mistake and they put this boy named Josh Howard

1110
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: on that.

1111
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 5: And I'm looking like, how.

1112
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: You already know they ain't fooling with me? So let

1113
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: me see. Everybody started looking at me like you own it.

1114
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh shit, like I made it because Carlos

1115
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: was heard of something and Steve Nash so I think

1116
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 2: it was the West that was up next. And man,

1117
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: like I said, for me again, it was kind of

1118
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 2: like draft day, like it was just the hard work

1119
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: and seeing like all I put in over those four years, steadily,

1120
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, gaining the trust of Hall of famers like

1121
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Dirk and Finn, and they trusted me with the ball,

1122
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: and you know Don and Avery, who are Hall of

1123
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: Fame coaches, like, let me play it, just let me know,

1124
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: like I was again trending in the right direction. Yeah, man,

1125
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: it was just like I said, an amazing feeling. Man,

1126
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: because I Man, I didn't grow up thinking I was

1127
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: gonna be no NBA player like Felas, Like basketball didn't

1128
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: come into my mind, like literally being legit until like

1129
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: my junior year of college. Like I did not think

1130
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna get that kid that was gonna make

1131
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: it out and just you know, ball out. So to

1132
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: sit back and be like, damn, this kid from Winston

1133
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: made it to an All Star and ain't nobody handed

1134
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: to him. He just went and took it. I don't

1135
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: give a damn if I played in one like that. Hey,

1136
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: that one is better than anybody's ever three teams.

1137
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 6: That's all you need is one.

1138
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: That's all you need is one, man, That's all you

1139
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: need one. How was it walking in the locker room

1140
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: and you walking in the locker room, and you seeing

1141
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: the rest of the all stars in that locker room

1142
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: they jerseys up, and then seeing your last name hung

1143
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: up in your locker.

1144
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: I was a little amongst them, like a surreal moment.

1145
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: But then motherfucking KG started talking ship right off. Oh

1146
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: what oh this young you know, I'm like, oh, here he.

1147
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 4: Goes and then trying to stand in front of his

1148
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: lock and remin this, and my man, KG, look at this.

1149
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: But that you know, like I said, y'all know, KG Sai,

1150
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: y'all know. He was just fooling with me.

1151
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: So it was just like damn, he wanted my all

1152
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: time NBA players, So, like I say, just to be

1153
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: in the same locker room with him, or you know

1154
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan who went to wait for us before me

1155
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: and he congratulated me. And of course Dirk has been

1156
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: there so many times. He was just like, come on,

1157
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: young fellow, let me show you where you need to be.

1158
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: It was just a feeling being around cold that right

1159
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 2: there in itself, because I was still starstruck like Cole

1160
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: literally like after Jordan is like my number two, So

1161
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: sitting up beside him and knowing what he had been

1162
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: through and how he got through everything to get to

1163
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: where he was. Was just like, damn, sitting beside Covid

1164
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: like I got a picture. I'm sitting beside him. I'm

1165
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: just like a kid, and I'm like, damn, yeah, this

1166
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: is a gratifying moment.

1167
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1168
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 6: So you was in the locker room. You wasn't saying ship.

1169
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 6: You was just looking at it like.

1170
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: I'm with the upper classman.

1171
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Now, Like this room smelled different, man.

1172
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 6: The room smell different.

1173
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 5: Man. An hair is better.

1174
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, it's how they treat y'all up top,

1175
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: all right, let me let me, let me stay.

1176
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: Again.

1177
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: It put me in the mindset of going and taking

1178
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: more because I feel like that next year, I should

1179
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: have made the All Star team in New Orleans, but

1180
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: I didn't. So you know, it took me back to

1181
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: a place where I understood, like it's all in you know, politics,

1182
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: and you know, just keep doing I can do for

1183
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 2: my team and I get I get the reward. So yeah,

1184
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: but like I said, nobody else take that ship away

1185
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: from me. They can't say yeah from no.

1186
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: I mean, like you.

1187
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 4: Said you as a dub the next year, so I say,

1188
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: you should have made dogs start too, like went up

1189
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: a point averaging.

1190
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, yeah, they never take that away.

1191
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 5: Man.

1192
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: But like, I just love seeing stories like that, man,

1193
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: because you know, you put all this work in, you

1194
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: play hard, and you do what you do, but when

1195
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: your peers reward you for it, man, ain't no better feeling.

1196
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 6: You know.

1197
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: It feels like everybody is looking at you do your

1198
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: thing and what you sacrifice to get to where you

1199
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: need to get to.

1200
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's like you say, that's the

1201
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: big thing and the word sacrifice. People don't see what

1202
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: we do when the camera's off of when we're at

1203
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: that gym, man, so they don't understand. Like I said,

1204
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: go back to the body aches and stuff like, man,

1205
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm still I still got injuries that hurt that I

1206
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: did like ten to fifteen years ago, you know what

1207
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And they don't get like, bro, how we

1208
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: still gotta go see chiropractice or we gotta go see

1209
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 2: just because my back still.

1210
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 5: That's why they listen. That's why me and Black down

1211
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 5: here in this flow. The weather. Warm weather is more

1212
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 5: you know, you do.

1213
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 4: You appreciate it a little bit more, and it's hard

1214
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 4: to get up and move around you in that cold

1215
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: weather boy, keep.

1216
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 6: You all up on down here in that Florida.

1217
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 5: Now, Man, this humidity, keep it, keep it, keep it.

1218
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 5: Knees up, these knees.

1219
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: I can get out to bed without bed stiff. Now

1220
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: these knees is still all up down here in this Florida.

1221
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: This damn Texas heat different. But trust you tell me this.

1222
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 4: Where were you at when you found out you was

1223
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 4: going to be traded from Dallas and you was going

1224
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: to the Wizards?

1225
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 3: At a party?

1226
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 5: He was out.

1227
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was All Star weekend and it was here

1228
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: in Dallas and you know Los like maybe a week before,

1229
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: and I literally was getting ready to go into a

1230
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: party with my agent Commons like, yeah, they finish traded

1231
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: you to the Wizards. And I was like all right,

1232
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: you know because at that point on me and Rick

1233
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: Carlisle wasn't saying out of eye. They went from playing

1234
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: me to sit me down, and they brought it to

1235
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: Sean Area and so I seen it writing on the wall,

1236
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So for me, it was

1237
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: just understanding that, you know, it's time to move on now.

1238
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing was I didn't know the Wizards was

1239
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: at the other side of the poll as far as

1240
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: being a bad team because I didn't pay attention to

1241
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: other teams also wrapped up in us being good. So

1242
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: you know, going to an organization like that, you know,

1243
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: it was just like, well, ship, I got to get

1244
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: ready to change again.

1245
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: And also you know to give with the renting situation

1246
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: was going on.

1247
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 4: That was just going on, right, yeah, yeah, that that

1248
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 4: just that that man was chaos.

1249
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: Chaos listen and like they say, the grass ain't always

1250
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: grint on the other side.

1251
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 4: Because that that definitely And then I got what type

1252
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: of shock was that when you got there you saw

1253
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: that craziness happening.

1254
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: You was just like what am I doing? I got

1255
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: to see the video just this bullshit, this straight bullshit man,

1256
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: like just at the end of the day, you know

1257
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you know, we make a lot

1258
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: of money. So the ship they was doing compared to

1259
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: like you know, what's being with the Clippers or you

1260
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: know Dallas, it's like, bro, y'all didn't eve gott to

1261
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: do all this shit, man, like cut the shit, man,

1262
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: let's go miss the games man. So that was the

1263
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: part I see. But you know, what was the learning

1264
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: experience for me to help me grow up. Even though

1265
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: I got hurt and I got another year there, But

1266
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if I wouldn't have got hurt, I

1267
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: damn showed that would have been a nice little place.

1268
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 3: To call home.

1269
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah mm hmm, Like you just said, like leaving an

1270
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: organization like that because you have saw these veteran players.

1271
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: You don't even have that type of stuff going on

1272
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: off the court or even on the court with the team.

1273
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 5: You played for.

1274
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I had a culture shot with leaving the Clippers, even

1275
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: though the Clippers won the best organization out there, but

1276
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: just leaving them going to Cleveland, a team that won

1277
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: sixteen games out of eighty two before I got there,

1278
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: it was like a big, big culture shop owner wise,

1279
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: because you know, Mark Cuban is the best owner in

1280
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: NBA history owner wise. What was the difference, Like you

1281
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: never really seen the owner, You never really seen like

1282
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was like a different environment organization

1283
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: wise when you went to the Wizard.

1284
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because, like I said, with the stuff that happened

1285
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: with Gil. Also, the former owner, I think his name

1286
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: was Ad. He had just passed away, so I think

1287
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: his name was Ted. I don't want to say his

1288
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: last name wrong. But I think it was Ted Liaison

1289
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: and Leon, Yeah, Leon, and then he also that's when

1290
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: I think the w NBA. I think he bought the

1291
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: w NBA team too, So he was coming in as

1292
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: a fresh administration, you know, kind of trying to do

1293
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: what Cuban did and making sure our players were doing

1294
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: what were supposed to do. My second years when we

1295
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: drafted John Wall number one pick, so you know, for us,

1296
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a revitalization through John. I

1297
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: think they tried their best, but what happened previous to

1298
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: John getting there kind of shook a lot of stuff up,

1299
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: and the trust of the fans in Washington was just

1300
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: kind of hard to gain at that time. But they

1301
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: did a better job. I guess that's the years of

1302
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: about the John. They forgot better at this time.

1303
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: You get a chance to watch the Dallas maverickge go

1304
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: to the finals and beat lebron them in the championship.

1305
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: How was that to see them, like you've been to

1306
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: the finals with them and you've seen how the organization

1307
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,479
Speaker 1: was moving and they actually pull it off this time

1308
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: by playing the Heat again and winning that championship. What

1309
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: was your thoughts about that? When they won the championship

1310
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: when Dirk and then pulled it off.

1311
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: Oh shit, First off, I wish I was them, you

1312
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that that was the first right,

1313
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: Like damn a year and a half later, you sons

1314
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: bitching this year and a half lay they got it,

1315
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: So definitely exciting for them, especially because there was only

1316
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: three guys left from when we made it inn O

1317
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: six that was still on the team, and that was

1318
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: Dirk and j T. Darryl was a player development coach,

1319
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: so those are the three, yeah, And so to see

1320
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: those guys win it definitely was gratifying because again, like

1321
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: they he was there when we lost it, so I

1322
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: was definitely happy for those guys. And then, like you said,

1323
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 2: getting over that hunk, because I was a part of

1324
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: moving the needle for the Mavericks along with of course

1325
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: that group dirt as Fendly, So to see them finally

1326
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: get it and yo, it was it was amazing.

1327
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: Like, I was definitely happy for him.

1328
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: I couldn't make it to the parade because I think

1329
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: I was I think I was out of the country

1330
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: or something, but I definitely would have showed.

1331
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 3: Up if I had the chance to.

1332
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 6: How was it when you heard you going to Utah?

1333
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I decided because you know, Washington, I could tell

1334
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: like wasn't gonna paying out how I planned on it.

1335
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: And on top of it, I had my first major injury.

1336
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: So for me, I wanted to venture back into having

1337
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: a black coach, and Tyrone Corbin had just took over

1338
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: at Utah, so I just went.

1339
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: On ahead and said, let me let me go to Utah.

1340
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: And I already knew as far as organizational wise that

1341
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: they were second to none, So I knew I wasn't gonna.

1342
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: Have to worry about BS again.

1343
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: I could just go out there play and have a

1344
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: good time, which I was able to, you know, transfer

1345
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: my game because like I said, after that injury, I

1346
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't have Slasher that y'all remember me to be like now,

1347
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: I had to really like, come on, spring Rolls, knock down.

1348
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: The shot that yeah you got you gotta get out

1349
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: there and do what you need to do.

1350
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: So I made sure I stayed out the way and

1351
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 2: I had a great team there. I had with Roger Bell,

1352
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: Earl Watson, Devin Harris, big Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Gordon Haywood.

1353
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 3: As a rookie, Jeremy Evons CJ.

1354
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: Miles, Like, so for me seeing that team, it was like,

1355
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: I know I can help this team get better and

1356
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: be a vent.

1357
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 5: So I love it.

1358
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: Like I tell people, they their expectation of Utah's because

1359
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: it's out in the middle of nowhere. But I enjoyed

1360
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: that year playing out there. It was definitely a good

1361
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: time to, like I say, grow and develop as a

1362
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: vent too.

1363
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: Just one of the questions I like to ask, Like,

1364
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: you know, we talked about how you come from humble

1365
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: beginnings and you know you got your grandma, your mom

1366
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 4: and your aunties and stuff. When you got that bag,

1367
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 4: you know, you got a nice couple of bags. You know,

1368
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 4: you know you got that bag. I ain't talking about

1369
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 4: taking care of my dukes and stuff. What if Josh

1370
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: do with that bag that you look at now like, yeah,

1371
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 4: they're probably crazy, But like in that time, in that moment,

1372
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 4: you were like this the ship right here.

1373
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 3: Let's see. Probably because I'm a country boy and I got.

1374
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: You strike me as an old school cat, did you

1375
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 4: because I still got two of them now that I

1376
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 4: can't let them go.

1377
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 6: But what you get, what you get?

1378
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: I got a seventy three drop talker priest and I

1379
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: got a to coop the veal, and I kept.

1380
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: The coop the bill Broy.

1381
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: I love driving in that that's my car, like I

1382
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 3: love that because I made everything.

1383
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: I made everything original how it was, but redone everything.

1384
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that.

1385
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 6: That's you gotta keep it original, you gotta keep it

1386
01:02:59,360 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 6: a risin.

1387
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think it was. Was it something?

1388
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, to be honest, I think the

1389
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: biggest thing though, and I think I'll been feeling that

1390
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,479
Speaker 2: when I first got that bag, I told my mama

1391
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: she could retire, like oh yeah, it was like going

1392
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: to a job. I still remember that, like it was

1393
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: just like, Mama, you can tell him you quit, like

1394
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: tell them, you know what I'm saying.

1395
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: And she didn't do it. But I think it took

1396
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 3: about like my son for real.

1397
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: It always be that when you can retire somebody or

1398
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: retire your parents, you tell them, man, go in there

1399
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: and tell them for fuck y'allut you ain't coming back.

1400
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: And they always be like, well, no, I can't, I

1401
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: can't do that.

1402
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 6: I'ma gonna let it all.

1403
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna keep it trial.

1404
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 4: Like my pops, bro, he didn't know, he ain't retire.

1405
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 4: My pops didn't retire like he did. He rode the

1406
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: CTA train that's Public Transportation Chicago train. He drove that

1407
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: joint for thirty nine years, bro, And like my whole

1408
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 4: almost like I don't know, like like my whole career

1409
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 4: was still didn't and it wasn't because like I didn't

1410
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 4: want her to do it. But he was like, tell

1411
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 4: you mean, I don't what I'm gonna do with all work,

1412
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 4: Like you know, he's just like that's just how he cut.

1413
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 4: Like even now now that he's finally done and retired,

1414
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 4: now he got projects every day around the house.

1415
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 5: He's doing something. He can't sit still.

1416
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that old school man. That's the real

1417
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: old school man.

1418
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 5: A trip.

1419
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: She went back to work and just do part time

1420
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: stuff now because like you say, it's just like.

1421
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 5: Because they ain't just trying to sit there and not

1422
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 5: do nothing. Yeah.

1423
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: I told when when ain't got to worry about me

1424
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: doing nothing?

1425
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: You know that though, cause we'd have been through war.

1426
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: This body don't feel the same. If you had to

1427
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: name four other players that you played with over your career,

1428
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: all in their prime, to make an ultimate team with you,

1429
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: who would beat them?

1430
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 5: Four other players.

1431
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: All in their prime. Ultimate team four. Count me the

1432
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: fifth one or the fourth.

1433
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: On you whatever, you can play the two three four,

1434
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: however you want to put it, just your your ultimate

1435
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: five to make us starting ultimate five to it.

1436
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 4: Don't matter when you played with him, if you played

1437
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 4: with him when they wasn't in their prime or not prime.

1438
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: They all in their primesh Ship, I'm gonna would be

1439
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: your ultimate five.

1440
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: I gotta keep my teammate Dirt because, like I said,

1441
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: I have seen him do unreal stuff. Utah, I'm taking

1442
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: big Al Jefferson and from a center because he could

1443
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: score off one drible anywhere on the block jump. I'm

1444
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: gonna take Dirt from a four. Okay, take myself for

1445
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: three my two guard, Oh that's rough. All right, look

1446
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: nobody from Washington. I love you'all guys, but for my

1447
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: watch to guard, i'm gonna have to go with a

1448
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: damn y'all too guard. I'm gonna go with Steve Nash

1449
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: and then point guard. I'm gonna take Jason.

1450
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 4: Kidd okay, and the reason that can work can guard

1451
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 4: the two.

1452
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1453
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: So the only thing is the defense maybe.

1454
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: Just maybe national guard the one, yeah, guard the two.

1455
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what kid, kid, I like that.

1456
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: I like that fine, Yeah, definitely, definitely.

1457
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: I can't think of nobody else that I could take

1458
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: out it.

1459
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 5: I like it.

1460
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1461
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: I wanted to put Paul Mills up in there because

1462
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: he definitely when he was in his crime Jesus, a.

1463
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: Lot of people slip on him too.

1464
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, it was crazy. Used to get busy too.

1465
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 4: Hey, tell me this, did you know you wanted to

1466
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 4: be a coach, Like how did you become and get

1467
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 4: into coaching? Like did you see that while you was

1468
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 4: playing or just something that like once you stopped playing,

1469
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 4: you kind of like just kind of slowly just got

1470
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 4: into it.

1471
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1472
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: So you know, the MVPA offers that players coaching situation

1473
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: in the summertime. So I went head up there and

1474
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: got certified in that, like in twenty fifteen after I

1475
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: retired and sixteen, I started like just doing like personal

1476
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: workouts with kids back in my hometown because, like you say,

1477
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: when we retired, we really kind of be lost for

1478
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do and kind of getting acclimated to

1479
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: being the normal citizen again. So I was working these

1480
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: kids out at the first place I ever coached that

1481
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: which is PEMR International and men. The president was real

1482
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: cool and I'll never forget on that particular day in June,

1483
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: he came to me. It was just like his coach

1484
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 2: had just resigned out the blue and if I knew

1485
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 2: anybody that could be a coach. And I was like, well, shit,

1486
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: I you know, I know basketball players and coaches. I

1487
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,479
Speaker 2: can call around and see. But on that particular day

1488
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: was the same day, seven year years prior that my

1489
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: head coach, Skip Prosser had passed away from a heart attack.

1490
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: So for me, I.

1491
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: Looked at it as like a sign that just could

1492
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: be something for me to do. And so I told him,

1493
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: you know, after that workout and talking to him that

1494
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: I called him back like later on that afternoon, and

1495
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: I went and said a little prayer in my car

1496
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: and called him back and told him I'd take the job.

1497
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: And that's how I fell into coaching, because I definitely

1498
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: didn't want to do nothing like that. Like I never

1499
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: like thought I would be a coach after basketball. I

1500
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: just thought I was going to be an investor and

1501
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, kind of ride off in the sunset, just

1502
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: been you know.

1503
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: A cool, cool dad.

1504
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: But you know, I think God had some mother planned

1505
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: in my life as far as being able to mentor

1506
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: to these young men and women about basketball and how

1507
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: it could take the mother places. So once I started coaching,

1508
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: I realized that I was actually pretty good at it

1509
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: and it was easy to motivate and kind of do

1510
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 2: what I did on the court.

1511
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 3: But from the sideline.

1512
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: And shit, I'm in my ninth year now and I'm like, damn,

1513
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 2: I'm about to really retire from this about another five years.

1514
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 2: So falling into it just seeing how I've helped kids

1515
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: make it overseas. And like I said, granted I'm at

1516
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: a lower level, I don't necessarily want to coach D one,

1517
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,839
Speaker 2: D two because of the the strain of the life

1518
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: as far as like being a coach. When I'm in

1519
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: the NAI, I still can go pick up my kids

1520
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 2: from school, take vacations, you know, still live like a

1521
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: normal person and just have to coach. So it kind

1522
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: of helps me just kind of still be, you know,

1523
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: in a life where I can still do what I

1524
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: need to do but also help others.

1525
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 3: So i'ma keep doing.

1526
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: It for another five six years and then I'll probably

1527
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: bow out gracefully.

1528
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 5: That's dog, That's what's up.

1529
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,879
Speaker 6: I want you to speak about just what the game brings.

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: When it brings in friendship, you find a brother from

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: another mother that you relate to. It's just like you

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: in your instance, Man, that the relationship you have with

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01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: Daryl Armstrong, the relationship you have with Marqui Daniels, these

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: are guys that's gonna be lifelong friends for you.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 6: Your family's kind of intertwine.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what that means to you to just have

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: them friendships that you grew with, somebody that you didn't

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01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: grow up with, but you bonded over this ball and

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: what this ball can bring to you when it comes

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: to friendship.

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01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean it brings a lot.

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: Knowing that you got somebody that you can really reach

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: out to outside of your family that actually relates to

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 2: everything you've been through because y'all been through the similar wars,

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01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: and knowing that they're going to give you the best

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: advice and they're not going to be yes men. And

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Speaker 2: that's the part that I think a lot of NBA

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01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: players or people in the professional need is people that

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01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: are honest with them about what they're doing.

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01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: And it can help you really learn how to correct

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01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: certain things.

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,919
Speaker 2: Man, And like I said, keep your confidence in yourself

1553
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: knowing that you do have a support system that you

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01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: can lean on. And that's another driving force from you know,

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 2: bonding with people who you know you never knew had similarity.

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01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: So that basketball man, like I tell people, it can

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: take you a lot of places if you just sit

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: back and really learn the game and accept right up

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: what's coming to you from basketball. So for me, again,

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: I think that's another reason why I coach, you know,

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 2: to help these young men and women realize that, because again,

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: if they don't have basketball, what would these kids be doing.

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01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: You know, what have we been doing if we didn't

1564
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 3: have that outlet.

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying, because I know, like I said,

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01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 2: being a single parent, being raised in a single parent household,

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 2: I could have easily went up the street with the

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01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 2: drug dealers and tried to sell hell I tried to

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01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: sell drugs, and I knew that wasn't my thing, Like nah,

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01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: I ain't got time to be waiting on people to

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: call me and going no, that ain't no. So for

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01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: me again, just understanding who I was as a person

1573
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: and like minded, it helped me, you know, make the.

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01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,839
Speaker 3: Right decisions to push forward.

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01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 2: So basketball and friendship and bonds all go hand in hand.

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, most definitely. Well, we appreciate you Jay for pulling up.

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 5: We gonna end it on this.

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 4: We got jobs in the buildingppreciate your big dog.

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: Appreciate that man, Thank you, Thank you for having me

1580
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: man anytime, man, y'all even just let me know, yes, sir,

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: all right.

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