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Speaker 1: Hey, we welcome in. I'm gug godly Ban. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to All Ball, All Basketball all the time. We

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Speaker 1: don't know about college basketball. We don't know when it

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Speaker 1: will be back, if it'll be back. We do know

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Speaker 1: that the NBA is on track now as of the

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Speaker 1: recording of this podcast. And just so you know, my

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Speaker 1: guest this week is none other than Charles Oakley, opiniondated,

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Speaker 1: former power forward for the Bulls, the Knicks, the Raptors

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Speaker 1: member and remember these with the Rockets at the very

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Speaker 1: end of his career. Why do so many guys end

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Speaker 1: their career with the Houston Rocket. That's kind of a question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll get to that with him.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Jim Dolan, we'll talk to Michael Jordan's

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Speaker 1: actually very very close. I'm not sure if we're where,

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Speaker 1: but he's actually a Cleveland guy from birth, like you know,

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Speaker 1: But what we know at the time of the recording

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Speaker 1: both tested positive for the Ronda the RONA and look,

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Speaker 1: I'm only saying the ROHNA in kind of sarcastic tone

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Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, like you'd be cleared,

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Speaker 1: you'd be fine to go and play. If you're not playing,

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Speaker 1: it's because you don't want to play. But we're starting

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Speaker 1: to see how the bubble works. Is it going to work?

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Speaker 1: I've heard in the media and in the sports will start,

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Speaker 1: and they'll shut it down. I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's much bigger is Rondo getting hurt and Avery Bradley

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Speaker 1: not making the trip. If I'm Rob Polinka, I'm still

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Speaker 1: calling Avery Bradley and having Lebron called Avery Bradley every day.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have a depth of ball handlers and guys

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Speaker 1: that j R. Smith stinks, but Jared Smith's the catch

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Speaker 1: and he hasn't played in the NBA in over six

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Speaker 1: hundred days. It's not just that there's a reason for it.

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Speaker 1: It's also once you start playing, you're gonna be so sore.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to go from not playing training to

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Speaker 1: interesting as well for the Lakers if you don't have

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Speaker 1: also had to prove himself before. So while there's no

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Speaker 1: probably won't feel as big when you're playing in front

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. The Lakers can't they control their

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Speaker 1: really Caruso and Anthony Davis creating shots for others. That's

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Speaker 1: He's the great Charles Oakley and he joins us here

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Speaker 1: good man. Um, there's so many things I want to

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Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony thing. Like carmenlo Anthony is a great score,

426
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Speaker 1: but did he actually elevate his teammates? Did he actually

427
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Speaker 1: make that better? He can get his number, but it

428
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Speaker 1: couldn't be like so, you know, you go to some

429
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Speaker 1: places you say, you go to a massage, father, go

430
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Speaker 1: to some type of place. You go to some you

431
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: know places, somebody gonna do massages, somebody could do patients,

432
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Speaker 1: somebody can do Uh. First you know, for like Barkley

433
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Speaker 1: and he gets twelve or five, but like a song,

434
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Speaker 1: like can you if you can't saying him a song,

435
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Speaker 1: could you trust to other guys the same half of

436
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Speaker 1: the song or do a part? But they they were

437
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: just called alone who just want to do and set

438
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Speaker 1: them up. And you never seen him said the other

439
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: other guys though, you know Mike, Mike, you see in

440
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: Last Dance was the guys got into him. He started

441
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 1: trusting them and that's what made him bad and battle

442
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: when you trust a great guy and you know he

443
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Speaker 1: give them guys the shots they made. It ain't like

444
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: nine you get ten shots to make two. Back then

445
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: they had three shots to make one. You know what

446
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's a big difference. You've gotta have pressure

447
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: on them. They wasn't like they just okay, I'm men

448
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: missed the face three or four. I know I've got

449
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Speaker 1: four now and didn't worked like But you had to

450
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: be an infinite part of your game. And when you

451
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: played back in the days and when you was out there,

452
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: you know when you get that ball, you don't don't

453
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: get it but once or twice when you get it,

454
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make one of them two shots.

455
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Speaker 1: Who would who would win in a fight? You are

456
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Speaker 1: the late Anthony Mason in the fight. We had a

457
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Speaker 1: couple of fights. I mean, you know, I don't know

458
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Speaker 1: we had for wars, inc we're different players. I mean,

459
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Speaker 1: you know he was there, I was big, so man,

460
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Speaker 1: so like that. We we were in the water together

461
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: a little guys. So we always wanted to fight. Yeah,

462
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: I know, I'm talking. I always wondered. I's always wanted

463
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: if you to split you up and you just squared off,

464
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: like like like who would win? Um? Look, look, the league,

465
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: the league changed kind of late, you know, late in

466
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Speaker 1: your career and after you left where they kind of

467
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: your position kind of got eliminated. Right Well, it wasn't

468
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: just about physicality and rebounding, but the power forward, you know,

469
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: because you became a great, a great seven team foot

470
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Speaker 1: jump shooter. Right now, those guys you've got to be

471
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Speaker 1: able to shoot threes. The lanes all opened up. It's

472
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot less physical there's not the back to the

473
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Speaker 1: basket play um anymore. Um. But but part of it

474
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Speaker 1: was the physicality of your guys. Series, the series with Miami,

475
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Speaker 1: you know some of those other you know, some of

476
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: those other series. They were so physical that the thought

477
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Speaker 1: was that the fans didn't like watching it, and that's

478
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Speaker 1: why the league made the adjustments. Uh do you like

479
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Speaker 1: how the league is played now? Um I got two

480
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Speaker 1: points to that. I'm right, it is this. It's a

481
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: new league, it's a new time of life. These guys

482
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Speaker 1: like this. But I think in the higher we never

483
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: got the call. Every time against Chicago, we never got

484
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Speaker 1: the call. I mean, we're just like flush your time.

485
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: A couple of games against Chicago. I tell Mike all

486
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: the time, it wasn't like a point you out of bluids.

487
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: Every game was closed. Two bad calls in the games

488
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Speaker 1: the summer, you know, uh, you know, two possessions. It

489
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Speaker 1: wasn't like that. And not just that, but most guys

490
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Speaker 1: went you know, I tell the most games went down

491
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Speaker 1: to the last two or three possessions, last minute of

492
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Speaker 1: the game, especially like when played Miami a couple of times,

493
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: you know, the Pacers, It was just a couple of

494
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Speaker 1: you know, um man, I hate to hate and I

495
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Speaker 1: hate to go back and start thinking about because a

496
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of bad members game because I know the time

497
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Speaker 1: we played the Pacers or in patched and Mr Finger

498
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Speaker 1: roll and the time in Miami got in the fight

499
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Speaker 1: just since it's a hard lot of hard stuff to stop.

500
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: But I think we should have been in the finals

501
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: three at least three years, three out of four years

502
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: back then. But you mean saying they only go by

503
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Speaker 1: when you win night when you talk about yeah, no

504
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Speaker 1: they do it. I mean my my my late father

505
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: was a former college basketball coach and a lifelong Knicks

506
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: fans fans. We watched every one of those games and

507
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: they were all war. You know, you had they had

508
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Speaker 1: the Davis Boys and Rick Smith's and you guys had

509
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Speaker 1: you and Pad and then you had Mace, you know,

510
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean and like everybody had. I mean it was

511
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: just and it was it was war, right, and it

512
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: was the toughest man that you make. You make a shot,

513
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Speaker 1: you miss the shot, Charles Smith, Mrs A Layoup or

514
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: you and Mrs A Layoup. And that's the difference to

515
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Speaker 1: winning a game and lose the game. Yeah, it was

516
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Speaker 1: like I said, it was, it was. It was exciting

517
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Speaker 1: my game. I mean what when the game was played

518
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Speaker 1: people like that. I think the only people, like the

519
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: younger people who watched this play that nine too too

520
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: too slow, that I had none of this and that

521
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: because if you think about if you watch the last

522
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Speaker 1: fans he watched the game the pools winners most of

523
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Speaker 1: the time was like it wasn't you know, like a

524
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Speaker 1: hundred twenties and whatever was most time was ninety five

525
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: and eighties seven. Many to the eighties game was you know,

526
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: like two of teams too. I mean they just had

527
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: a better playoffs and that's why they always had a

528
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: better playoffs win, like a better quarterback. Uh, Michael's just special,

529
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, he just you show I mean you watched

530
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: that documentary the last day to show you what he

531
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: went through to win and when he had to psych

532
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: h stuff out about certain incident, this and that happened

533
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: to you know, portrayed this trade that and still come

534
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: on the court and even like an active playing basketball,

535
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm playing a role. He's playing two or three different roles,

536
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: you know. So it was it was funny to see

537
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: that because I'm you know, I'm him like you know,

538
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the first after we replied to two three whatever we've

539
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: went on about this trip, just you know, joying the moment.

540
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: He had a motorcycle team he had, uh you know,

541
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: you like to play golf, he go to Ride of

542
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: Cuffs and go to Kentucky double. He goes to all

543
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: the fights, just having fun. Jordan talking about the old days,

544
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: and I said, well, you know, I said, I tell

545
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: him all the time. You better be glad you knew

546
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: the commissioner because he loves you, and he should have

547
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: loved you. Made the league go over. You made the

548
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: league something special. I mean what you did no one else,

549
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: no Lebron probably mixed out and then let you know,

550
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: putting the lead on his back and the people who

551
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: can see it from different countries. Um, why do you

552
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: think you're such a beloved member of like of the

553
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: former Nicks, you're top five like people in New York

554
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: love you, gravitate towards you, you know, like you are.

555
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Why why? I mean, I'm you know, most people with

556
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: with with one or two exceptions, right, But but why

557
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: do you think that is? Um? I guess the consistently

558
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: of my ten years there just being myself and just

559
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, being a straight up front, uh competitive on

560
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: the court off the court, never really got in trouble.

561
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: New York LA hard worker. They liked that tough and

562
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: they liked people with its and hey, I just appreciated.

563
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: They liked to me. You know, they didn't have to,

564
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: so they took it like I want to get it.

565
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I went the guy again twenty five points a night.

566
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: But they said, when you go to church, and they

567
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: always the past, pleasing the service. If somebody's church is

568
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: doing so many to get people, a kinch me, So

569
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I was the other person in church. You get other

570
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: people in church attentions. So I just appreciate the fan

571
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: of York. I mean, had a great time a month. Yes,

572
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: to still be in New York. I do a lot

573
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: around h New York and uh, you know it's just

574
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: a there's no place like New York. Uh well, well,

575
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: well I know you're some of your last interactions, but

576
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: what was your first interactions with James Stolen? When did

577
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: you guys first meet Never met Jay doldor never met him?

578
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I tried to meet him in New Orleans. I think

579
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: All Star in two thousand eleven. Wait wait, you never

580
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: met him? Nope, never met him before they read All

581
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: Star and two thousands have been two thousand eleven go

582
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: they had like three All Star in five year. I

583
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: come to leave out to do all I like, what

584
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: is they doing to get over this. But anyway, so

585
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: we were in the All Star. I went at the Harris,

586
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, being Lebron and his crew, baggage Itch and

587
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: all them, about three other guys and we are just

588
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: hanging out to blea talking about you know, oh how guys,

589
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: and he comes wild Wild West World West here coming

590
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: in from the back. He come in because you're like,

591
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: what's up? Old? He know he should hang with them,

592
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: but something happening. You don't. They don't deal with him,

593
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: no ball. So he said, I'm back here with an own.

594
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I said, who he's on the knicks I've never mad

595
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: at before. He's okay, well let's go back here for

596
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: me and my guy Jacob. She we're walking the back

597
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: da so west, Mr Mr Dolan, this is Mr Oakley.

598
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: So I put my hand out. He never turned around

599
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: to shake my hands. Now what's turning around to take

600
00:30:52,240 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: motherfucking hands? I'm like what, So I'm relieving. What's what?

601
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: It's like? What happened? He like, I met you before.

602
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I said, you haven't met me, So okay, if you did,

603
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: mean you can shake my hands. So we walked back

604
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: over to the tables, all of Lebron telling him like man, firm. Mean,

605
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: that's why we're going to do. You know, he don't know,

606
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, respect people. That man. It was just disrespecting

607
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: what he did. Why don't why wouldn't he shake it

608
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't shake your hand. That doesn't make any sense.

609
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: I know. Well I's trying to say. You know, remember

610
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad I had the mother got Jacob with us,

611
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: and so who that happened? I was? I said, man,

612
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: his man was shaking my hand like you wanna shake

613
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: your hand, like who they he is. But it was

614
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: just crazy. So after that it was just you know,

615
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess they said, he said when

616
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: you called the convention. I said something to paper us.

617
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: I said, if people said something every day about you

618
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: and just dead and I said, ain't one thing. If

619
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Speaker 1: I did said something have to apologezical, But I ain't

620
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: said no, disrespected no one. And you know, maybe talk Barkley,

621
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: but but no, I know I respect people and I

622
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: never disrespect him. Well no, I mean, I guess the

623
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: thing is like it's like this is where I mentioned.

624
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: It's it's not out of your character to say what

625
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: you think, right, like this is who you are. You've

626
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: been and and some of it is like an athlete mentality,

627
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: which is guys are a lot more honest with each

628
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: other and tell you what they think, and tell if

629
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: they like you, if you're good, doing a good job

630
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: or not doing a good job. Just that that's how something,

631
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: and that's specifically how you were wired. I don't understand

632
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: why it would bother them so much. I mean, I

633
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: guess because you're former Nick, you're supposed to rob roy

634
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: and agree with everything that happens with the franchises. That

635
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: his thought. That's what a guy I played with. It's

636
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: like he got them wide up. So but it's so disrespected.

637
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: They can't do an interview without letting them know the

638
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: course they can't do. He's so much control free, you know.

639
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: And everybody, Uh, Michelle and all the other people I

640
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: met with, well we know he just know he wasn't them,

641
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Donna Tullin, I understand. Yeah, they's about he had a

642
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of blocks. I mean, what do It's just crazy

643
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, he had a lot of them, but one

644
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: highing pointy blacks and they have no power every time something.

645
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: You know, Donnie Watson left because he wanted to get

646
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: caught out with Donnie said it wasn't good for the

647
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: team because he had to give it too many guys

648
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: and now he had to break the whole team down.

649
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: That's why I done. He lost. That's why you know,

650
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: anybody who go against him he gonna get rid of.

651
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: Just through he hired people every two or three years.

652
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: I knew we're gonna Phil Jackson and Field and though

653
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: he was doing something, the president of basketball fields a coach.

654
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: I mean some people, they said. Some guys can just

655
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: like for many extra playoffs to coach on the sideline.

656
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: Field couldn't have Jeff still one another guy. You know,

657
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: you get all the people in the world to put around,

658
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna later you're wanted to show your talent while

659
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: you're sitting in that seat. You know, that's like a

660
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: captain and the co captain, and you know they what

661
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: Engineer said in the third seed, the captain and co

662
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: pol said in the first two. It's a different So

663
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's just one of the things. You know,

664
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: al much bad luck for no one. Um, you know

665
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: he's from Ohio, fohw. I mean my family knows them.

666
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: They't know how growing up. But I don't know why

667
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: he just he just got money and thinking just to

668
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: control everything, like the incident happened with me three years ago.

669
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: He lied about that. You know, I came in. He

670
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: tried to stay well, I don't want to pass him.

671
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: He try to say, I'm walking the game hauling at

672
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: you in twenty in front of twenty and the fans,

673
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: and nobody said nothing but you really It's just it's

674
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: just a lie, almost like the president. I think this

675
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: is a nephew. What what what that? I mean? It

676
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: has to be almost an out of body experience, right

677
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: to be like, you're a New York nick. Dudes love

678
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: you and they want to make you leave the garden?

679
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: What what? What? What? What? What is? What was that like?

680
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: From your perspective, that was? That was? That was That

681
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: was one of the worst things you can experience in life.

682
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: After working someone for ten years and people tell you

683
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: a lot of love and you know, and when I

684
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: went on a headcase guy in New York because nowhere

685
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: because like I said, anybody I played with and I've

686
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: been around all the year, they can tell you I'm

687
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: a straight up guy. Teammates UM, oh yeah, you know

688
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: team UM for my teammates for management whatever. But I

689
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: always tell him, it's the playoffs family management, you know,

690
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: in that order. You know, because the playoffs you gotta

691
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: be around the family. You got to go home to

692
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: it and manage. You've got to deal with them. But

693
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is and what he got

694
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: these guys is just like when Free Wale came back.

695
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: That was the first time he was back in like

696
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: ten twelve years, you know, so he buy his way

697
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: and you know they said you got big dollars that

698
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: What you do is you change in there and you

699
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: can keep changing it, but soon later you gotta be

700
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: sect people though. That's why I tell every about it.

701
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: You know, he may but keen conference Twitter account because

702
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: he said something about mL afting. I mean, you can't

703
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: be that sensity of the life. I don't understand how

704
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: could be, especially in athletics, right, like in sports you

705
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: in New York, right right? No, no, no, you're right, No, no,

706
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: you're right. But I'm saying like especially like you know

707
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: how oh, you know how it is like in basketball

708
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: or in football, like coaches players front is like your

709
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: critical You've got to be critical of each other to

710
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: push somebody to get better and to make like if

711
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: you're a phony. You get exposed players and players especially

712
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: no because you're not that high level player unless you

713
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: have some level of sports I Q. And if you

714
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: have sports like Q, you know what dudes having what

715
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: dudes don't. And so you know, I just I don't

716
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: know how anybody thinks you can make it in sports

717
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: if you've never been never, if you refuse to be criticized, Well,

718
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: I guess so he I guess he just got I mean,

719
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: bad game, the job of the position. And I'll tell

720
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: you right now. And I was in um Seeley Jr.

721
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: So more matters took the second of manage. It was

722
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: like when I was, you know, bout my watches and

723
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: stuff from them. So I wasn't there go to the

724
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: owner real look, I ain't. And the miss of Dolder

725
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: was in the owner. The dad wasn't that one day

726
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: and then he was talking to him like and he said,

727
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: he told me whenever he leading nixt's gonna get his

728
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: team to the sun, he could do whatever he wants to.

729
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: And I and I mean, I always think back to

730
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: this while he is doing whatever he want with him too,

731
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: he don't care, he said he can do. That's his

732
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: little pet he could do whatever he want when he

733
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: treated like a pet too, walcome, he walked the pet

734
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: twice a day and don't care what you do. That's

735
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: of the day. I guess he sent like his CD

736
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: of his band to Lebron when he was trying to

737
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: get Lebron to sign with the team Little Bron, I mean,

738
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: so Lebron, Isel Alan, I don't know what they are.

739
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: But they had a bad game plan and Lebron was

740
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: coming in just the pieces in mats and you know,

741
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: for him to go back to Cleveland with the day

742
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: everything that was that was Lebron so the world he

743
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: could be big and better and then not just do

744
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: that and he came out going to championship in Cleveland.

745
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: But but in New York they got a way to

746
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: go and it just had a new uh Leo Rose

747
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: with his with his cast and this and that. I

748
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: don't I mean they keep anything to get the number one.

749
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have a number two on the team.

750
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: How do you get the number one? I mean you

751
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: don't have I mean you got you gotta have something

752
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: to trade to get something, and then you hope to

753
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: get a draft pick. You might get lucky the draft

754
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean they got R. J. Barry last ship, but

755
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: they need some more guys. They need some more pieces.

756
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: They need a lot more pieces than they need to

757
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: try and get. They got to get a free agent

758
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: at some point or trade for somebody. Anything gonna come

759
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: it does? Does? Does West change? That can? World wide?

760
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: West change? That can Leon? I mean, like look Leon,

761
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and everybody likes those both those two doesn't matter. I

762
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: like him, I like Leon or whatever. But we got

763
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: the way to see. Um, you know, they gave you

764
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: a jack some chance for three years. I mean give

765
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: them three years. I mean you gotta get a coach.

766
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: You gotta get a number one players. Um, I don't

767
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: see him. You do trade. You gotta trade three guys

768
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: get one. So you said, I mean in the blind,

769
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: so they guys. Hopefully they can just go and just

770
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: keep building. If we're getting put in the paper, like

771
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: you know on need chap Ors, we're gonna trade this

772
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: for a number one. We're gonna have a number one.

773
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: Just keep getting the young guys and develop them. You know,

774
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: you keep saying this and that you hope you can

775
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: get a pick in the draft. But one of the

776
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: ball kids that you can get an Anthony kid from Georgia. Anthony.

777
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: That was, Yeah, that was And hopefully I don't know

778
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: about the kid from Memphis. They don't need go on,

779
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: they need they need uh I think they need uh

780
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: good you need. I don't know what they need, but

781
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: they need some they need some players. Let him. I

782
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: mean you put them on the court and then you

783
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: see what you guys wants they played. Just just draft

784
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: the best player available and this just put them my

785
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: then let them play together. Um, you coached in the

786
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Big Three, you're now coaching in the five Tournament, which

787
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: is running in Vegas July nine through the twenty nine.

788
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: It's a pay per view event for money a lot

789
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: of all former NBA guys. Okay, So in terms of

790
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: the actual style of play, like what are the what's

791
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: different about coaching three on three from five on five

792
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: basically play on a half court? Uh, you know, it's

793
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: more like you know, it's like anything instinct, Like you know,

794
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: like three on three you don't have a lot of help.

795
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: Five on five do you do? Uh? Just about keeping

796
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: the ball in front of you. And I tell people,

797
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, you can get burnt out quick three on

798
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: three because it's the movement guys trying to beat you

799
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: up the trouble. So it's competible, it's real compellible. You know,

800
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: you got to be in safe. You can't be ready

801
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: for it. Um does it like does it make you

802
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: want to want to coach? Or is it just enough?

803
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Like I got my life? You have lots of other

804
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: businesses gay coach the three? No, I know what I'm saying, Like,

805
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: does it make you want to coach? Like in the

806
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: league or you know, G league whatever? Like does it

807
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: does it make or is it like? Look, I just

808
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: need this to satis keeps you around? Who keeps aroundings?

809
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: Its tough to coach. And the league these days play

810
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: different guys that you know you can't talk to them.

811
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: You gotta be you gotta you know. It's just it's

812
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: just it's just differently. I mean, if they were they

813
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about what happened back in the

814
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties. They don't they know. That's why you

815
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: see a lot of teams can't development now because they

816
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: got to get the right people in there to try

817
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: to put the teams together. And you know, you can't

818
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: have the sensitivity. He said the wrong thing to him

819
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: he's gonna lose them and then they go tell management

820
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: where he and there, So you're gonna Stef's why you

821
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of these teams don't have a

822
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: hard time building teams, you know, because these guys they

823
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: want then don't want to practice, they want everything they wig.

824
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: It's just different. So you gotta have some leaders that

825
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: you gotta get a good leader you can build a team.

826
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: You don't have a good leader, you can't build a team. Yeah, no,

827
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: there's there's there's no um best player that you played

828
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: with that doesn't get the respect that you believe he deserves.

829
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: That's where I played with Scotty. Why what what about?

830
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: What about? What about Scotty? Well, Scotty is you know

831
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: I was there when he came out on argustas a

832
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: little rock. But just you know, to play with Mike

833
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: and just just to be that co piler. You know,

834
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: it's a different engineer he was. He was a co

835
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: probably could do everything. You know, he was just one

836
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: of a kind who could do what he could do.

837
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: And we talk all the time, Like we asked, Mike,

838
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: if you have a chance to play with Magic Scotty,

839
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: He said, I win championship with Magic, but I win

840
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: more with Scotty because Scotty just can do more mag

841
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: It was just for point gaud citator. Scott again play defense, rebound,

842
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: check three four positions and he is a good athlete.

843
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: But I think Scotty said got more praise. I know

844
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: the last dance, there was a lot of up and

845
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: down about Scottie. They made him look bad being in

846
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: trying to make him look good, and uh, you know

847
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. You just got to look at

848
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: it and know what's going on. You gotta overlook some

849
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: things and then if you know all the details, So

850
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: my thing the detail. I think Scott they said he

851
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: got more plaise, not just for the last dance, for

852
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: his career, and he made the Dream Teams All Star teams. Uh,

853
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: but Scotty could play. He came to leave, he said

854
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be good. So yeah, I mean, I would say,

855
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, like some of that. It was a little

856
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: bit like how you handle people though they like Jordan's Mike.

857
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: Mike on one hand said he's the best team that

858
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: he ever had, and then he said he was selfish

859
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: for getting the surgery late. Both are both you know,

860
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: like these two things can both exist, can't they? Well,

861
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you gotta. I guess some people

862
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: got they waited up dealing with management. I never let

863
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: the manage the term with me. My teammates on urn

864
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: of me first, I always said that the manager's management.

865
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: I tell a lot of guys, well, I'm not gonna

866
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: play the manage. No, you're playing. We're playing for us.

867
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: And the sayings then management. You know what if you

868
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: don't play, no sense from you, you're letting us down.

869
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: Just said you don't have that, you're letting us down.

870
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: But I just want to tell every about it. It's

871
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: not enough about management. It's about us. Some guys who

872
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: run them down the court, them guys to go to

873
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: practice and guys to watch films with two management be managed.

874
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: They can trade you anytime, they won't. They can do

875
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: this in that so you can never win with management. Yep,

876
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: owners owned and and players and and and and and

877
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: uh and and players play. Um, you are close to Lebron.

878
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: You know two guys from close to the same area.

879
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time with them. Um, what

880
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on on the Lebron and Jordan's

881
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: discussions as to who's better. I mean they just tep youlling.

882
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: Everybody a different type of player. Mike want to come out,

883
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna try to put you away in the first

884
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: court on Lebron gonna come out and get his guys

885
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: involved and just see who willing, who want to play

886
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: of this or not. It's just two different players. I mean,

887
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: if you look at his stories, like, ain't nobody and

888
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: done with Lebron did in seventeen years, but maybe real

889
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: chamber of somebody, you know, to be that proactive that

890
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: still at the seventheen years, just playing like he's just

891
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: his fifth year in the league. Nobody made real chambers,

892
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: so you know, longevity, even said Lebron. You know Lebron

893
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. You know, he's just his body,

894
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, never been hurt, real doable. Uh, he's just

895
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: a special guy. Mike was especial too. You don't get

896
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: hurt there one time. So they just different guys. Michael

897
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: makes shot. Lebron you know, has the way up doing

898
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: things on the court. Mike just and you don't. He's

899
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: gonna try to put you away, so don't leave it

900
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: like late game, tries to make decision Lebron sometimes, you know,

901
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: team thinking around and you know, come to the end

902
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: of the game, if he got a shot, if he

903
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: double team, he might not take. He might pass. Oh

904
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people today like why Lebron

905
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: passed Laban you know, was that type of guy he

906
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: would pass, you know if he if he double team,

907
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna pass. Mike used to shooting double team and

908
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: to laid on his career, he started passing, right, that's

909
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: when he that's when he started to win. Right. He

910
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: used to try and do everything himself, and when he

911
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: started trusting his teammates, that's when they started. When he's

912
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: like the they're basically the opposite, all right, Yeah, like

913
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: I said, different for her, but yeah, I mean I'm

914
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: as if you if you go down to just ween guys,

915
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: they're doing them the best one and two wing guys ever.

916
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, you go to big man. Now you go

917
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: to the well Karen shock them, you know, but ween

918
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: guys who can just bring me get the ball, bringing

919
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: up and make stuff. Having Mike Labron pays down. What

920
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: do you think of Bird? It was good, I mean,

921
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, slow, but he made shots. Uh, you played

922
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: when you played the whole for Hall of Famers. I mean, hey,

923
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: but you know he's got MBT two or three years.

924
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: But and he consued it. Um, you know he was

925
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: grateful there we played. Yeah, I mean but he he was.

926
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting he wasn't the athlete of those two, but

927
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: he did the one thing you point out about the

928
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: greatest ones is he made people better. Right. So it's

929
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: a it's a hard one to in terms of comparison

930
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: because athletically so much difference than those other guys. Well,

931
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm playing that. They always try to say, well Mike,

932
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: Mike and uh Lebron, what about Lebron and Magic? Um,

933
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: you know it's about it, you know. So I guess

934
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: he's always saying Mike and Lebron. They forget about Kobe

935
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: Kolee was good. Um, Kobe bore like Mike, not Lebroon. So, uh,

936
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: you have some good guys like ween, guys guys who

937
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: just really you know, for like just Mike and Kobe

938
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: probably the only guys who was to have just trying

939
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: to strangle you every night on the court. Ye, but

940
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: we they were trying to just come out and like, hey,

941
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a tough money in time I see you,

942
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: So get ready for two shoe legs and let's go.

943
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: What's the next twenty years look like for Charles Oakley?

944
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: Thanks twenty years? Good course in basicly, I hope we

945
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: can get through this tan deer um and start. I'm

946
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: nor my foundation, I'm working on a book, I'm doing

947
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: a couple of corporate things. Um, just trying to stay

948
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: healthy and helpe the world can get back on track

949
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: and we can live live. I hope we can live

950
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: next year years. So this is right now. It's not

951
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: a good time in society right now. We've got a

952
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: lot of stuff going on, and you know, we just

953
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: got to stick together and stay strong. You're a guy

954
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: who's been able to persevere though, right Like there's a

955
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys who I mean, you've seen some stuff

956
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: and you you have a tendency though to see the

957
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: good um more though than see the bad. Right where

958
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: it's so, how do you how do you? How would

959
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: you explain to the younger generation, like, look, you went

960
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: to Historical back College, but it was Richmond. The steady

961
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: statues are up in Richmond. I'm sure there was some

962
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: stuff going on, some stuff said. Maybe you heard it,

963
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe you didn't, but you always you look back in

964
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: your recollection of your time at Virginia Union, is only

965
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: a positive? How How do you explain? Because I do

966
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: think that while there's a lot of accuracy to the

967
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: issues we have, the other thing is you can always

968
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: see the negative or you can see the positive. How

969
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: have you been able to one You're honest, but to

970
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: tennessee the negative the positive as much as you have. Well, basically,

971
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, my grandfather was you know, my family was

972
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: raised in York, Alabama, and month frand father was back

973
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: in the nineteen hundreds. He seems you know, he gave

974
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: me a little school and a couple of times. But

975
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: before you get pay us about this and that, I

976
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: think that we just got to just grow together because

977
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff that happened that shouldn't happen.

978
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: But now I think eyebrows and is getting brighter, and

979
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: we've seeing that we're trying to hopefully that the George

980
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: Floyd and Brianna tail all these incidents. You know, we

981
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: you know just sometimes shouldn't maybe shouldn't happen. You know,

982
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: it's going to my house, shoot eight times, um and

983
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: you have your knee on somebody hand for eight minute

984
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and forty six seconds, and just a lot of stuff

985
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: that happened with the life. But we got to just

986
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: get our stuff together. And you know, you know, as

987
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I know, a lot of stuff is going on in

988
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: a lot of protests, and people's like, well, we gotta

989
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: something gotta change, you know, we we do these can changes,

990
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: but let's do them in the right way, and we

991
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: can all, you know, make so when no one else

992
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: can get hurt any change and try to just try

993
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: to make it right and hopefully that we never go

994
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: through this again in the life, because it's not a

995
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: good time. So my grandfather was you know, he's seen

996
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: all that the Jim Crow and all that stuff back

997
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: in the days, and you know, well, I think this

998
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: was this time and this time and what's happening people's

999
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: I think people attention again, it got people attention, a

1000
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: lot of attentions. You know, even when we go back

1001
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: to the camp onet when he was kneeling for the

1002
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: flag this and then you know he wasn't but they won't.

1003
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: They didn't want to change in there. But the NFL

1004
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: when the commission came back and apologize, he did a

1005
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: pr thing for like five minutes. He didn't look up

1006
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: one time because he was embarrassed, you know, I mean,

1007
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: you know he was a scapegoat. But he knows stuffing

1008
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: going on all the time. But when you've got other people,

1009
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work for other people. You gotta

1010
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: do what they say. And a lot of that going

1011
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: on too. So I guess the people who one for

1012
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: other people now, the other people who hide behind the

1013
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: doors got to step up and speak up. When they

1014
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: step up and speak up, and things will be changed.

1015
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: Until the end, they won't change. Well said Charles. It's

1016
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: been an absolute pleasure. Again, that's on pay per view.

1017
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: So the five tournament three on three Charles coaching the team.

1018
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: Hey man, uh, so much respect for you as a

1019
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: player and what you represent to so many in the

1020
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: little basketball all wish you nothing but um continued health

1021
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: and happiness and success and thanks for joining us. Thank

1022
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: you all right? Yeah, wow, that was a great talk

1023
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: with Charles Oak, wasn't it as fascinating fast things stuff. Um,

1024
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: here's what we can do. First reminder to listen to

1025
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: the Doug Gotlip Show daily three to six eastern twelve

1026
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,680
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1027
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,360
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1028
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Speaker 1: interviews or whole shows, wherever you downloaded this one as well,

1029
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,839
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1030
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1031
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Speaker 1: I don't know. In the meantime, we're gonna have more

1032
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: for you from the bubble, and next time we'll have

1033
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: some thoughts on youth basketball as well. What are you

1034
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: doing with your kids? How do you keep them sharp?

1035
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: Do you give him time off? Do you find out

1036
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: how self motivated they are? And any of your questions

1037
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: at gottlieb Show is the Twitter handle. Feel free to

1038
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: reach out to me. Some of you are my friends.

1039
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: You hit me on d M, you hit me on text.

1040
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: I will answer questions on the next pod. We'll start

1041
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 1: pumping out more of these per week as we're getting

1042
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: ready for the NBA bubble, and we hope that NBA

1043
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: bubble doesn't burst. We are close to actual basketball, my friends.

1044
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, Thanks for Charles Oakley

1045
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: for joining us. I'm Doug Gottliebin. This is all ball