WEBVTT - Stuart Stevens & Gov. Muara Healey 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:08.000 where we discussed the top political headlines and we have 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 such a great show for you today. Legendary campaign manager 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.720 Stewart Stevens stops by to talk about how Trump gas 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:19.000 lights us into thinking his policies are popular. Then we'll 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.840 talk to Massachusetts Governor Mora Healley on the real life 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.000 implications of Trump's careless cuts to the government but. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:31.000 Versus the news SAMII, the woke Supreme Court. You know 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:33.080 a lot of people have wondered if they would stand up. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.880 Apparently they don't stand up when they want when people 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.800 want to put poop in our water, but they do 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.839 deny the Trump administration's request to cancel two billion in 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:41.360 foreign eight. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.440 You're still in the poop water. I see. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:44.880 I am. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:52.159 Got you very upset. So look, this is the only 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.120 thing we have standing between us and autocracy, and this 0:00:56.320 --> 0:01:00.240 is Amy Cony Barrett. The good news is that one 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.760 of Trump's three justices is not a total lackey. The 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:09.640 bad news is she is very ideologically religious. So this 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:14.160 is do what you will. Thomas Alito will rubber stamp 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.200 anything that Donald Trump comes up with Gorsic unless it 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.520 has to do with Native Americans, and Brett Cavanaugh are 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:27.200 basically carbon copies of their older buddies. Amy is actually 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:32.240 smart and Roberts has already you know, this is just 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:37.040 his ill gotten legacy. So look, here's the story. Can 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:43.640 Trump as president cancel legislation passed by Congress? The answer 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.840 is constitutionally no, but Donald Trump doesn't care. Right, So 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.600 Elon Mush is doing all of these things. It's an 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:57.040 illegal right. Courts have said it's illegal, but now the 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.600 Supreme Court is saying it's illegal. So we have this 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.280 foreign I think that it will now the Supreme Court 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.680 has said that they have to continue to release it. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.440 We'll see what happens. Because JD has already mused about 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.360 ignoring the courts again, one step closer to the constitutional crisis. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.120 All of us see ourselves walking into fun times. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.040 So Maria, as we know, one of the worst witnesses 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.200 against mister Trump, and he hates what people are witness 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.600 against him. Well is mister Trump himself, because he always 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.600 says things that are used to gets to a quarter 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:33.520 of law, like what you. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.079 Missed a g. 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.120 Carroll for an ex wife of his, and so many 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.280 other occurrences where do you see it here, Doge. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.400 Which you'll remember they had said in court that Elon 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.040 was not the head of well during this state of 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.240 the Union, though it's not called the state of a Union, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.720 the joint addressed to Congress, Donald Trump said, and you'll 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.280 be shocked to hear this, I have created the brand 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.320 new Department of Government Efficiency, Doge. Perhaps you've heard of it, perhaps, 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.560 which is headed by Elon Musk, who is in the 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.600 gallery tonight. So there we go. They were saying that 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.880 it wasn't headed by Elon Musk, but now Trump has 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.400 said it is headed by Elon Musk, and this means 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.160 that it is, and that means that he is in charge. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.880 And so now a lawyer is submitting new evidence in 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.120 this case against DOGE using Trump's own words, which is, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.200 of course, one of Trump's biggest problems is when he 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:31.880 testifies against himself. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.480 It's not the first time, that's for sure as well. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.280 Though one of those things, you know, he loves his 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.160 beautiful vets. Yet the Trump administration plans to cut eighty 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.200 thousand employees from veteran affairs, according to Eternal Memo. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.840 You know, here's the thing about all of this, and 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.280 here's The thing about Trump and veterans. Thirty percent of 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:56.160 the federal government is veterans, So if you love vets, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:01.119 you should probably keep them in the federal government. Whole idea, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.560 and I think this is like the net net of 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.440 Trump's address to Congress is that he has a lot 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.800 of catchphrases He's going to make government more efficient. But 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.800 a lot of these catchphrases actually mean things that I 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.599 don't think he nor his voters have thought through. He's 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:25.479 going to make government more efficient by firing eighty thousand veterans, right. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.400 He's going to make things cheaper by putting in tariffs, 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:34.440 which will make things more expensive. These ideas are nonsensical 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.800 and they do not lead to the objective. I don't 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:44.479 understand his voters still seem pretty delighted with him. When 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.920 you think about last night's speech. There was a ton 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.320 of like baiting liberals, saying liberals are bad, ton of 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.960 elevating these very sad stories, but not a lot of 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.440 like how else solve your problems? Right? Like if you 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.960 were to say the man had a mandate for anything, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.120 it was to make prices lower, what did he spend 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.160 almost no time talking about making prices lower even like 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.839 you think about the boy that they had, this DJ 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.040 who had cancer. So DJ had childhood cancer caused by chemicals? 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:15.360 Right? 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.440 They think it was caused by an exposure to chemicals. 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:23.120 This Trump administration is gutting the EPA right so that 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.200 more chemicals can be dumped, so that more children can 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.719 inhale chemicals. And what else have they done? They've froze 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.120 NIH funds And do you know where NIH funds go? 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:39.200 Childhood cancer? So if you're going to elevate DJ, right, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.599 then why would you then elevate him and then muse 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.760 about how terrible childhood cancer is all the while cutting 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.039 funding for childhood cancer? And ultimately that is sort of 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:56.160 a really good example of what is happening this admin 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.960 musing about problems while enacting policy that will in fact 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:02.000 make the problems worse. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.440 It's the Republican way in my opinion. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.560 Anyway, speaking of the Republican way, the town halls have 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.800 gotten very scary for these triggered snowflakes since people are 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.240 not happy with the Republican congressmen who are attending them, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.080 and RCC sent out a memo saying no more town 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.880 halls and governor walls who is just a guest on 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.640 our YouTube channel has a very good solution. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.039 Yes, Governor Walls, your a friend of mine. Go to 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.280 our YouTube is very very good with the best. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.800 We have some great stuff coming up this week. I 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.520 might have great. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.880 Stuff on the YouTube. Go to YouTube Molly John Fast 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.640 Fast Politics. So this is actually really smart and this 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.440 is what when we talk about flooding the zone with facts, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.560 this is what we're talking about. Tim Walls offers to 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.920 meet with voters whose GOP reps refuse to hold town halls. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.880 Canceling town halls to avoid voter backlashes the thing you 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.920 do right before you lose the majority, said one Democratic strategy. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.600 Let's not be over confident your team. But Dems are 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.520 actually and is right. But this is a really good point. 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.560 Flood the zone with facts. Flood the zone with facts. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:15.040 The only way to counter flooding the zone with the 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.000 bs is flooding the zone with facts. And doing this 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.080 when it comes to these town halls is really good. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.000 Like Democrats can be where Republicans won't be, and that's 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.920 the only way they're going to get their message though, 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.760 because remember the problem is not what the democratic messages, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.760 or maybe it is, but Really, the problem is that 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.520 Democrats message is not getting through because what is getting 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.200 through is the lies and obfuscation from the Republican side. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.320 Stuart Stevens is a legendary campaign manager and the author 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.200 of the Conspiracy to End America Five Ways My old 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.680 Party is driving our democracy to autocracy. Welcome back to 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:02.560 fast politics. Stuart Stevens, right, smally anything going on? No, nothing. 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.200 There was so many times during the day I'm like, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.800 how the fuck do we have vacuate? 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.240 Oh yeah, I think we had with Trump a collapse 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:13.880 of a center right party in America. So you don't 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:17.120 have a center right party in America. They're saying the 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.240 country is at least half center right. Yeah, I think 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.280 completely upsets the balance. I think Trump's election has been 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:25.400 greatly misunderstood. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.360 Yeah, oh good, I would like to understand. 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.880 An election day, the COUMBA president had a forty percent 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.640 approval rating. In modern politics, no one has ever gotten 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.040 over two points higher. Incombent party's never gotten more than 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.880 two points higher than approval rating. The right track was 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.520 twenty seven percent. No incombent party's ever won with it 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.880 below forty five. It was a perfect environdent for a challenger, 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.960 and we know from polls six cent we know anything 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:55.719 from polls that another challenger Nikki Haley or lean young 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.920 Kin would have done better than Trump. Trump won was 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.560 usually as a challenger. That's not to be confused with 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.120 an embrace of trump Ism. And you know, I mean, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.240 I think this is how people end up worst of 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.240 being volcanos. There's the draft of volcano Belch as it ranged, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.120 and the next thing you know, you're throwing virgins into 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.320 the volcano gud. The two are not related. And I 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.880 think that they knew that Project twenty twenty five was 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.760 poisoned from their polling, and now that people were having 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.360 a drink, it hadn't gotten less toxic. What I find 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.920 just the most remarkable here is how this party that 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.120 I was drawn to with Ronald Reagan standing in front 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.280 of the Berlin Wall. Here on this wall, I'm scorte. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.200 The Republican Party is now on the other side of 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.920 the wall. It is the we should get out of 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.280 NATO and help rebuild a Warshawa party. And I just 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.559 don't think anything like this is that I'm or whatever's 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.000 ever happened in a democracy that the beating heart of 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.520 the Republican Party was anti Soviet Union, anti communism, staring 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.359 in Russia, and now it's the beating heart of Putinism 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.559 and pro Russia. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:55.240 Wow. 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.760 Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because it's like I think about 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.480 the bottle, right, and I think about Alis Slackin. So 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.960 there is a school of thought which I don't not 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.000 subscribe to it, but I think it's an oversimplification. It's 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.679 hard to parse. Right. The biggest problem was, I think, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:22.319 was Joe Biden's complete inability to communicate social media. Mainstream 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.320 media could not And you know, is that because he's 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.480 the world's oldest person or is that because he was 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.240 never a good communicator? Who cares? But that was like 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.000 the fundamental original sin of how we got where we 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.760 got in twenty twenty four. But there's a school of 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:41.720 thought which thought Harris would be able to connect with 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.800 the normal, sane Republicans. Right, those are gone. They are 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.760 Democrats now, right, because the people Trump got to turn out, right, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.520 I mean, I just want to revisit, like sort of 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.320 how to go forward from here? Trump got low propensity voters, 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.839 he basically told I mean. The great example is the 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.960 story in the Washington Post last week the woman who 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.920 voted for him because she thought he would make IVF free. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.440 That's like a great example, right, he said lots of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.160 different things to lots of different people, promised the world 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.600 and now they can't get it, which actually happened in 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.680 Trump one point zero, but because we are the United 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.920 States of Amnesia, no one remembered. Meanwhile, Harris was like, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.200 I can't give you this. I can't do that. That's 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.160 not how any of this works. Which American voters they 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:28.760 don't like that. So here's the question. Democrats decided, we'll 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.760 embrace Liz Cheneyism. We'll get the sane ones. There are 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.800 no sane ones. So where do Democrats go from here? 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.000 Should they be just lying about stuff? Because it worked 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.480 really well for Trump and the rest of the party 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.480 seems to be spinning around the drain that way? Where 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.200 do you go when things have devolved this much? 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.760 So let's step back. Republican is celebrating because they only 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.240 lost to eighty six percent of Black voters. Right, they're 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.640 celebrating because they only lost sixty three percent of Asian Americans, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.800 celebrating because they only lost fifty four percent of Hispanics. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.200 Usually in politics, we consider losing bad. So the only 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:09.080 group with winning are not on college educated white which 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.400 is the fastest declining group in America two thousand and 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.000 worked on a boost campaign. You know, we look at polls. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.040 It was about sixty percent of the electorate. Now it's 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.560 thirty eight. It'll be less. So when we finish, I 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.520 think that there is a lot of confusion. I mean, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.360 Trump never won working class voters. You weren't white working 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.240 class voters. He never won low propensity voters. You weren't 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.400 white lower propensity voters. And going back to sixteen, I 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.680 always thought that the voters that he would gain at 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.880 the lower propensity because of the Muslim stuff, because of 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.560 Mexico is a bunch of vrapist stuff. All of that 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.720 that you gained, you would lose in college educated voters, 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.400 which was happening right up until the Coomi letter. I 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.280 think it's very instructive in this election to look at say, Virginia, 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.400 New Jersey, does it I think very legitimate controls in 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.839 this election. No one was really a campaigning in Virginia 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.480 or New Jersey. There was no campaign, So where was 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.040 that trumpet a lot better? And I think that we 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.319 tend to look at Trump and come to the conclusion 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.160 that all everything we know about politics is wrong, which 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.920 to I think is proven to be true. But again, 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:20.880 a country that seventy five percent of the people think 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.440 we're going on the wrong track seventy three percent, that 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.760 is not a party to embrace a vice president. And look, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.280 I think causalities are the hardest thing in politics. But 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.480 probably in years to come, no one is going to 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.600 look at this and say, you know, this whole thing 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.960 of having incombent president resigned in July and going with 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.040 the vice president, we should keep doing that. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.760 No, no, right, And historically that's never worked, you know, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.199 like remember the last time that happened where the Democrat 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.520 resigned and the vice president took over, and it was 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.560 a fucking disaster too, And it was even there was 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.040 more time and it was still a disaster. So I 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.240 think for sure that's absolutely true. I also just wonder, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.720 I mean, and then the thing that I feel like 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.080 we really don't talk about, which we should is this 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:09.000 post COVID brain fog, which America really got affected by. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.000 But here's my question. So Tuesday, Trump gave a speech 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.439 and his approval rating was the highest it's ever been 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.000 for him, which is still low for normal presidents, but 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.080 high for him. And then right before he went on 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.480 it sort of ticked down. So now it is again 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.840 sort of more disapproved than approved, where it's we're in 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.920 that wrong direction. He's finally almost back to normal. And 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.440 you know, it took the Ukraine stuff and the tear 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:39.240 off stuff and the crashing the Dow stuff to get 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.800 us here we are six weeks in. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:41.560 Yeah. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.800 You know what's really interesting about this is only two 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.120 presidencies have had a lower favorability for the president one 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.720 hundred days after his first hundred days versus election day, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.480 which makes sense, like I didn't vote for the guy, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.480 but I'm going to give him a chance. So at 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.880 this point Biden had almost fifty percent favorables, Obama had 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.880 sixty five percent favorables. Even Bush had like I think 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.120 fifty seven percent favorable with Bush two in two thousand 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.440 and four. The only two presidency whether this doesn't have 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.920 was Trump on two pousand and seventeen and Trump today, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.880 which I think is actually kind of profound because he's 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.960 shedding voters. The hardest thing for people in life probably 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.120 to admit is why I made a mistake, particularly this 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.400 close to when you made the mistake. You have people 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.280 who voted for Trump who now are not for Trump, 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.160 and it usually goes the other way because people like 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.400 to say that they voted for someone who won. So 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.680 usually in polling you ask after an election, did you 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.080 vote for somebody? The person who won is going to 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.680 do better in that poll than they actually get an 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.000 election day. That kind of human I want admit I 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.960 voted for a loser. I think that's a really profound trend. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.720 None of this gets away from the fact that the 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.480 Democratic Party has two problems. It doesn't have a message 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.400 and it doesn't have a messenger. But I think both 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.320 of those are pretty easily fixable. There's a lot of 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:59.000 talent in the party is needed somebody to emerge. We 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.920 didn't have a process of a primary and which other 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.320 people could be both. I mean, thinking about it, in 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.800 two thousand and four, jar and Kerry lost to President 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.080 cyber Barack Obama won it with the speech, and we 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.280 didn't have a similar sort of process here. We're a 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.440 very personality driven country. I mean, there's reason People magazine 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:22.240 has more subscribers than Foreign Affairs. And what's really necessarious 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.920 for a new group of Democrats emerges the face of 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.680 the party, which I don't know who picks flocking, But 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.720 that's not a bad start. I'll take the CIA over 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.320 against the Russian age. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:39.360 But do you think that slocking sort of CIA you 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.920 mention Republican presidents. Do you think that's the play? Like, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.080 do you wonder if there really is sort of like 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.040 if it's better to try and go for the Democratic base. Like, 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.640 for example, there's this theory of the case that the 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.680 original sin was rejecting burning that had the party said, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.440 you know, this is what a lot of the voters 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.800 seem to want, and even though it makes the donors nervous, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.640 let's just try it out because this is what they want, right, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.879 Like it's such a stark contrast to Trump. Right, this 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.359 is what the base wants. We don't want it, but 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.879 it's the base ergo, we're fucked. But Bernie, they were like, 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.160 shut it down, this is not for us. Makes everyone nervous. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.879 No one wants to have free dental care. Right, So 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.560 do you think the original sin here, and this is 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.040 a real question and not a set of fake question, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.000 is that reject of the populist movement in the party 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.960 for a Hillary Clinton sort of more manufactured populism that 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.160 people didn't really want like and again this sucks for me. Right, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.200 they weren't feminists. It turns out they were just populous. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:48.080 Bernie had a groundswell of people who decided he was 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.360 their guy. Hillary was I'm with her, you're with her. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:53.959 You know. It was a little bit different. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.040 Yeah, Look, there are a lot of different ways than 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.720 women tolection. I mean, if nothing else, you look at 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.119 the way Trump ran and one is very different than 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.720 the way we as Republicans had won before. We would 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.840 take reasonable big state governors and run them and they 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.320 would be able to get you know, Bush in two 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.960 thousand four is able to get a majority. So trum 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.439 comes along. He's the exact applicant table to the majority. So 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.400 I think it's very difficult to say if this had happened, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.840 it would have been a disaster. We don't know the 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.399 quality of the candidate. Once you received a nomination, I 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.000 think you become a different candidate. So what would Burnie 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:29.960 have been like after different candidate? You know? I mean 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.359 I first saw Bernie when I was at Middlebury and 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.920 I was riding my bike down Church Street in Burlington. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.200 Are scholaris limitic out there the only about rint control 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.399 who's running from mayor, and I was Bernie when he 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.320 won by eight votes. He won't eight votes. So I've 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:47.040 always found in a fascinating character. I think in the 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.080 long term, though, if you asked me where to put money, 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.080 I'll put money on the slockin. I think that it 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.000 is more the fact that she has I think a 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.880 higher ceiling, the ability to appeal to more people that 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:04.040 message fuck and Shapiro. I think that is sort of 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.800 an old fashioned way to win elections. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.520 Here's this seventy percent in the middle, that is what 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:09.080 you're saying. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.840 Well, I don't even know what the middle is anymore. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.600 You know, Bernie Standers is to the right of the 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.200 Republican Party on Russia, right. You know, he was honeymoon 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.480 in Russia, but he didn't like stay there, right, So 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:24.680 I don't know what to do with these numbers. We're 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.200 the pro tariff party, so the Conservatives and economic theory 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.119 now or the Democrats, they were like what the fuck. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.359 I do think that the Democratic Party has an underappreciation 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.399 for cultural wars, which is why as a Republican we 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:40.200 want a lot of races. We had no business winning, 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.040 and the fact that the Harris Caanby never responded to 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.639 this transgender ad. This is a curious fact that we 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.919 don't talk about it. I know Trump never ran a 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:49.840 positive ad. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.080 Right, It's so much about responding to everything, communicating as 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.600 much as possible, and not necessarily what you say. Like 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.800 one the worries I have when it comes to the 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:07.480 leadership in the House is that there's still an obsession 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.399 with getting the message right. And I don't think that 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.959 fucking matters. Like I think if we can learn anything 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:16.080 from Trump, it's that it's just getting the message out 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.080 and get the message out in a way that you 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.720 didn't have to ten years ago. Like you can't just 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.399 do five interviews, you have to do fifty or one 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:26.920 hundred or five hundred. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:27.640 Yep. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.919 The road to hell is paved with focus groups in politics, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:35.320 because there's this belief that somehow you can get, as 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.880 Roger ray Hills used to say, he get thirty amateurs 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.200 in a room that you're professionals what to do. It's 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.639 based upon this sort of political alchemist theory, if you 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:47.600 just worked this enough out of this you can get 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.719 some sort of golden message. And there is no golden message. 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.359 I think ninety percent of message is belief in that message, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.399 which is why there is Bernie is so good. Bernie 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.040 does believe this shit he believed forty years ago, I 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.280 believe it today. He is a genuine guy. And I 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:07.640 think that that passion people read through. And I mean 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.800 Trump is a passionate hater, not an act. I think 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:13.800 the JD Vance it's all kind of more of an 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:15.400 act because I think he's such a sort. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.080 Of I mean, I don't know what is going on there, 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.399 but like the fact that he has sort of lucked 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:26.080 his way into this insane situation. It does seem like 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.639 few people are less charming and charismatic than that man. 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.919 He's a Chauncey Gardner of current politics. 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.680 Unbelievable. What do you think would happen if he became president? 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:39.720 I think he would be president and he would run 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.560 for re election and he would lose the primary. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:43.800 Yeah, that's what I think too, because for. 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.840 Him to be president when Trump had somehow been exited 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:48.040 from a scene. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:49.119