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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and I'd like to welcome

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Speaker 1: you to the Stuff You Should Know Summer Movie Playlist.

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Speaker 1: It's summertime, and we thought what better way to kick

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Speaker 1: gonna start the whole thing off with our July twenty

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Speaker 1: ten episode on What's the Deal with Bond? James Bond.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoy. Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: from HowStuffWorks dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. Hi with me is Charles W. Chuck Bryant.

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Speaker 2: Bryant, Charles Bryant.

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Speaker 1: How is it going, Chuck? It's an odd way to

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Speaker 1: introduce yourself, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Think not if you're a super spy?

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Speaker 1: Are you a superspy? Actually?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say James Bond was even a spy.

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Speaker 1: Secret Service? Is that a spy? Really? No, he was

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Speaker 1: an assassin and yeah, just general plot disruptor. I would

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Speaker 2: A blunt instrument of the Crown Yeah, if you wanted

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Speaker 1: You just sent James Bond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get jb on the phone double seven. Yeah, he'll

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Speaker 2: he'll take care of business. Like Elvis.

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Speaker 1: You could call him on his car phone long before

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, yeah, he was always pre dating technology.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. As a matter of fact, there's a James Bond

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 1: And from Russia with Love nineteen sixty three, he talked.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who he talked to, but he was

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were like, oh my god, he's on

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Speaker 1: Right in a car. But that's what they sounded like

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Speaker 2: So Josh, where do we start here? We can't, we

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Speaker 2: can't not start with Ian Fleming.

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Speaker 1: Ian Fleming, so we gotta start. Let's do it. No,

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Speaker 1: that was there was a colon after that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Ian Fleming colon was as everyone knows, and if

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Speaker 1: He was also originally a journalist and a stockbroker, and

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Speaker 1: the naval Naval volunteer Royal Navy, Royal Navy, and he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of a spy, you could call it. He

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Speaker 1: Do you know who was assigned to his spy unit

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Speaker 1: James Bond? Yeah, no, there we was the guy who

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Speaker 1: was the inspiration for James Bond. His name was William Stevenson,

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, one of many inspirations.

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Speaker 1: Right. But in an interview in The Times in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, in romanticized version of himself.

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Speaker 1: To an extent. Sure. Another member of that spy ring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a bunch of body books.

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Speaker 1: So Chuck, let's talk a little bit more about Ian Fleming.

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Speaker 1: Right. He named the place GoldenEye. And every year he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which he did. And he reportedly picked the name

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Speaker 1: Right, you know what the opposite of that is, hack

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Speaker 2: Duggan hacksaw Jim Dugan. I could hear that? So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he wrote. See the article says thirteen novels.

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Speaker 1: Well, he wrote thirteen books.

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Speaker 1: What's the fourteenth?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've got twelve novels plus two short story collections

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Speaker 2: Daylights was another collection. Right, So it seems like it'd

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Speaker 1: Okay, but so he was getting fat and lazy in Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of litigation over the years in

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Speaker 1: And in that one he predicted herve Vasche, which nobody

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Speaker 1: Right, which is the sixth branch of the Military Intelligence Directorate.

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Speaker 1: time here to explain. I like James Bond. I know

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Speaker 1: You are good man.

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Speaker 2: Everybody does walking.

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Speaker 1: I can't do it walking.

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Speaker 1: That's great, of course, Chuck, there's double six Alec Trevlyn.

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Speaker 2: All right, So those are some of the villains, clearly

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Speaker 1: All right, which we will call from here on out

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Speaker 2: No, dude, they're great. M Q M was the head

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Chuck just said you were doing

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Speaker 2: It up, Dan Jersey, Dame Dane, Dame Dame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a Dame.

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Speaker 2: Q is the head of the Q branch. I six

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Speaker 1: That's Q, right, And he's now been replaced by his

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Speaker 2: right Lee Ellen, Yes, Chuck, that was the actor that

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Speaker 2: I thought they said they didn't know if he was

445
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 2: Dea or Cia.

446
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: He was around before the Dea was was he? Yeah?

447
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: And then you've got I think Jack Wade is his name.

448
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: And he was actually played by a couple of people,

449
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: including Joe Don Baker, Oh yeah, Pierce Brosnan ones, yeah, yeah,

450
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: he had a couple of American counterparts.

451
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: It's a good point.

452
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: And little known fact. Joe Don Baker was in Oh

453
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the movie, but it

454
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest Mister Science Theater three thousands.

455
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: Really yeah, bad movie. And then, of course we have

456
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: to mention Moneypenny. He was M's personal assistant and Moneypenny.

457
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 2: You always knew Moneypenny because James would come in and

458
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: flirt very much with her. And I always got the

459
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: sense that if James were to ever settle down with anyone,

460
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: which he clearly won't, it would have been Moneypenny sure,

461
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: or at least he made her think that. Right, every

462
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 2: day was Secretary's day when James Bond was around. He

463
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: was always just so nice to her, bringing her things

464
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: from his travels, shot glasses and stuff.

465
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: Right, spoons, she had an extensive spoon collection, refrigerator, magnets, Chuck, Josh,

466
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about the movie show. Yeah, sure, well, let's

467
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: talk about James Bond on screen, because it wasn't necessarily

468
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Speaker 1: just relegated to the movies.

469
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good point.

470
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: So James Bond first appears on screen on the small

471
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Speaker 1: screen on a CBS TV series called Climax with an

472
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Speaker 1: exclamation point really yeah wow, And he was first played

473
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Speaker 1: by a guy named Barry Nelson. Barry Nelson, you may

474
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Speaker 1: recognize as mister Olman, the manager of the Overlook in

475
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: Kubrick's The Shining who tells Jack Torris the ropes. That's

476
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Speaker 1: the first guy to ever play James Bond.

477
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: Wow? Was he English?

478
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: No?

479
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: American?

480
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: Yes, CBS TV series.

481
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Speaker 2: So we've had a Scotsman's quite a few Englishmen, an

482
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Speaker 2: American and an Australian And what what do you mean Australian?

483
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean someone from Australia. That was George Lazenby was Australian?

484
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: Was it? You know what happened to him? Well, he

485
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: wasn't much of an actor. Well, it wasn't just that

486
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 1: he after the success of his Bond movie. I mean,

487
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: he played James Bond and it was you know, filmed

488
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: and produced and released on Her Majesty's Secret Service, Right,

489
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: he was like, holy Colm, James Bond and I'm going

490
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: to buy a boat and sail around the world for

491
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: a while. And he came back and his star had

492
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: already faded because he did one thing and that was that.

493
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Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, yeah, he kind of blew it. He

494
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: wasn't much of an actor either, It wasn't but it

495
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: wasn't just that. It was yeah, it was a combination

496
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Speaker 1: of those two things.

497
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Speaker 2: He was a bad dude though, like he he got

498
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Speaker 2: the role apparently because he impressed Ian Fleming because he

499
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: had a faux fight scene with a wrestler for his

500
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Speaker 2: audition and he actually punched the guy, like got mad

501
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: and punched him, and Flemings like this is hard, dude.

502
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, because Fleming wrote the Bond character much darker.

503
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the novel character for sure.

504
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: Like Roger Moore took it in a very awful director

505
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: specific direction. You know that was not the least bit

506
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: like how Ian Fleming had written them.

507
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Speaker 2: You're the ultimate Roger Moore apologist. He's good in the

508
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 2: Saint and that's why I got the role, I think. Okay,

509
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: the TV show The Saint, all right, So Chuck, let's

510
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: get back to the beginning again. So we talked about

511
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: Barry Nelson and on the big screen, the first Bond

512
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: ever was Sean Connery. Right, well they did. They did

513
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: a pilot though on TV as well.

514
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: That's the Barry Nelson one. Oh it was called Casino

515
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: Royale though no, right, it was based on Casino Royal Climax, Okay,

516
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: which I think you know how they used to do

517
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: like they would they would have the name of the series,

518
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: but then there there'd be like different like like Wonderful

519
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: World of Disney. Yeah, it was like the name of

520
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: the series, but then there were different like documentaries or

521
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: gotcha tunes or whatever. Okay, I think it was like

522
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 1: that and that flopped and I didn't know what they

523
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: were doing with TV back in the day.

524
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Speaker 2: They had no idea.

525
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're right.

526
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: Doctor NOA was the first film in nineteen sixty two,

527
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: and there's been twenty two in total. No, yes, and

528
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: we're waiting. And that's official Bond films because they parodied

529
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: him in other things what he Allen played him for

530
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: Heaven's Sake.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the parody he did of Casino Royale. Yeah,

532
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: there's also an unofficial Bond film with an official Bond right,

533
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: let's hear it, Never Say Never Again.

534
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Conrie's That was also fraught with the lawsuits.

535
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: You know, that was based on the Thunderball lawsuit.

536
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they remade Thunderball, right, and.

537
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Speaker 1: They named it Never Say Never Again because Conrie had

538
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: said after nineteen seventy one that he'd never play Bond again.

539
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: Because he played Bond what for the first like six

540
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: movies something like that.

541
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, five, and then George Lazenby then

542
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: he came back and did Diamonds or Forever.

543
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: And then after after that Kime Roger Moore. Yes, and

544
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: then Roger Moore had a pretty good run. So Sean

545
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Connery stops playing Bond. George Lazenby comes along, does it.

546
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: Once leaves, Sean Connery has to come back another time.

547
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: After Sean Connery, they get Roger Moore. In the midst

548
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: of Roger Moore's run, Sean Connery makes another Bond film.

549
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: That's what we were kids, twelve years after the last

550
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Speaker 1: one he'd made.

551
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and yeah, Kim Beasinger was the Bond checking

552
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: that one.

553
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: She was and they called it never Say Never Again

554
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: because he'd said that he would never play Bond again.

555
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Never Trebek That's what he said, right, Timothy Dalton, I

556
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: guess we might as well venture into his years.

557
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw those when they first came out, like

558
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: in the theaters, and I didn't think anything of them.

559
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were over my head or whatever,

560
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't like them.

561
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Speaker 2: They were pretty good living daylights and licensed to kill.

562
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 2: They were both are they good. Really, Yeah, I mean

563
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: it was definitely a more novelistic Bond, like he was

564
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: darker and little more bad dude, and that, I mean

565
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: it might have had something to do with it was

566
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Speaker 2: coming off the heels of Roger Moore in his vaudeville

567
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: act that he brought to Bond and Dalton had a

568
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: two picture run and then was replaced by who everyone

569
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: thought should have been Bond before Dalton, Pierce Brosnan for one, two, three,

570
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: four films, right, and then they went the inevitable direction

571
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Speaker 2: with a blond bond with Daniel Craig.

572
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Is that inevitable you think?

573
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Speaker 2: Well, I meant the inevitable way of making him a

574
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: tough dude. But yeah, his blondness was not inevitable.

575
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: You know. You make fun of Roger Moore, but he

576
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: had a seven picture stint as James Bond.

577
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that was our childhood, trust me, dude.

578
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: At the time, I loved it. But then when I

579
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: got older, I revisited all of the Sean Connerys, and

580
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: then I saw the butt kickingness of Timothy Dalton and

581
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: now Daniel Craig, And now I'm kind of like Roger

582
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: Moore was kind of a joke to me. Now you

583
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: still stand by it?

584
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: I do, all right. I like Roger Moore.

585
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: Sam Neil was considered at one point.

586
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: I could see him as James Bond. He was great

587
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: and dead calm.

588
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good movie.

589
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that this even qualifies as

590
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: a podcast.

591
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: People canna be like you guys are just kind of

592
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: chit chatting, Chuck.

593
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: There's also theories, tons of the best one actually, the

594
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: only one I could find really is the code name theory.

595
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Have you heard this?

596
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: I have not cracked.

597
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I got a lot of publicity for it. By It's

598
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: a fan theory that basically says, James Bond is a

599
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: it's a name that goes along with double O seven.

600
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: And there's each actor was playing an actual different person

601
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: who had assumed this undercover name James Bond. Really, which

602
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: explains the changes in personality. Yeah, it explains why Sean

603
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Connery was so suave and Roger Moore was so goofy. Sure,

604
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: explains why Daniel Craig and Timothy Dalton were so violent, right,

605
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: It explains a lot of stuff. Actually explains George Lazenbe's

606
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: departure because his wife the only time James Bond has

607
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: ever been married died in that one honor her Majesty's

608
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Secret Service.

609
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a wife most people don't.

610
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Know, and she was killed by Blofeld. Right, so he

611
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: leaves after that. That explains that, right, absolutely. There's actually

612
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: holes in that theory.

613
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Do you know them?

614
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: I know a couple like, for example, George Lazenbee recognized

615
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: gadgets that were debuted during Sean Connery's tenure. He was

616
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: a new person, he would it would be new to him.

617
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: He'd be like, what's his start gun? Right? Exactly right?

618
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: And I think the spy who loved me, Roger Moore

619
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Speaker 1: is recognized from his college days at Cambridge as James Bond,

620
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: which would mean that he was using the name before then.

621
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: But it's still a pretty cool theory. If you want

622
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: any cool theory shot down, I recommend you go to

623
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: Commander Bond dot net, m I six do co dot

624
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: uk or James bondwiki dot com. Those are some good sites.

625
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to retrack my Roger more bashing a little bit. Okay,

626
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: I actually liked like four out of seven of his films.

627
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Okay, see, so you're right.

628
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: I forget sometimes I forget about the awesomeness of Live

629
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: and Let Die and Man with a Golden Gun for

630
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: your Eyes Only. Those are all pretty good. It was

631
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: like Octopussy, Moonraker was really silly, does not age well

632
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: at all, and uh, you do a kill? I just

633
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: can't get behind him.

634
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: You do a kill is awesome. What about the Spy

635
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: who Loved Me? That's the one with the greater water lotus?

636
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, great, great movie.

637
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: And I have one last fact. Are you ready? Oh yeah,

638
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: the legendary Bond producer co producer Albert Cubby Broccli. Yeah,

639
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: his family invented broccoli. They crossed cauliflower with rabe and

640
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: invented broccley. And he actually left the family farm to

641
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: go to Hollywood to pursue his fortune when he was

642
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: like eighteen.

643
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: Are you making this up?

644
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: I am not.

645
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: He invented broccoli.

646
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: His family did is like parents, grandparents. That's a pretty

647
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: good fact, Rockley, very cool.

648
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: Good for him. They're in trouble now though, because MGM

649
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: is in trouble.

650
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're saying like it's just a blip on

651
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: the radar. If you listen to any anybuddy who's attached

652
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: to the Bond twenty three.

653
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh, it'll happen at some point, but it's like fine, Yeah,

654
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: it's being delayed big time though, because MGM's and over

655
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: their heads financially.

656
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: If you know anything about MGM, if you're an insider, MGM,

657
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: we want to hear from you. Let us know what's

658
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: going on with Bond.

659
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: That's funny, we should. We got to talk about Bond girls.

660
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: That's one of the hallmarks of Bond films. And usually

661
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: there's two Bond girls. At least there's like a hot

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Speaker 2: villain and like a hot an aid that helps him

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Speaker 2: out in some way. Sometimes she turns out to be

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Speaker 2: a villain. But there's usually two Bond girls and he's

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Speaker 2: equally attracted to both. Like Grace Jones, Yeah, he's attracted

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Speaker 2: her for some reason. They are fem fatales. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: Bond cannot help but fall for them, even though they

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Speaker 2: it might mean he has to eventually kill them after

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Speaker 2: he makes sweet love to them. Right, And I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go ahead and ask you what your favorite Bond girl is.

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Speaker 1: I just recently realized that Carrie Lowell was a Bond girl.

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Speaker 1: And I used to have the biggest crush on her

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Speaker 1: when I would watch Wild Orcid no Law and Order

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Speaker 1: reruns on A and E. Yeah, they used to show

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Speaker 1: like Law and Order for like eight hour blocks on

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Speaker 1: A and E and I'd be like, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to class to day, I'm just gonna watch Law and Order.

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Speaker 1: And she was on a lot of them. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: would be my favorite Bond girl.

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Speaker 2: I'm going with Ursula Andres. Yeah, she was hot dude

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Speaker 2: back in the day. She played Honey Rider. And that's

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Speaker 2: another hallmark of the Bond women is they usually had

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Speaker 2: really awful names that hinted it sexual innu Window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, plenty o tool An.

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Speaker 2: Ryder, pussy Galore, uh, actually Solitaire, Jane Seymour, she was

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Speaker 2: pretty good and Living let Die like that.

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Speaker 1: She was actually a really good actor. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Moonraker of course had a holly goodhead and a view

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Speaker 2: to a kill. I had Tanya Rarts as Stacy Sutton.

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Speaker 2: They didn't even give her a cool.

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Speaker 1: Name, So, Chuck, what's the best Bond theme song? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me take a wild guess.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Live and Let Die is probably my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Because I would have put a thousand dollars on that or.

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Speaker 2: What's her name? Carly Simon, spy who loved me? Nobody

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Speaker 2: does it better?

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Speaker 1: Love that song best Bond theme song. If it's not

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Speaker 1: You Do a Kill? Okay, if it's not that, it

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Speaker 1: is Nancy Sinatra singing You Only Live Twice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome. Yes it was Shirley Bassie. Just

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Speaker 2: another little factoid.

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Speaker 1: She did.

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Speaker 2: No, she did more than that. She did gold Finger,

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Speaker 2: she did Diamonds or Forever, she did Moonraker, Moon Raker's

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Speaker 2: that's three total. I was also a big fan of

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Speaker 2: She and Easton's For Your Eyes Only. Yes, she did

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Speaker 2: go and readA Coolidge all time high from Octopussy.

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Speaker 1: Didn't Tom Jones do Thunderball or something?

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Speaker 2: He did?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He did Thunderball. And since we're talking about the songs

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Speaker 2: that have really gotten lame in recent years, like the

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Speaker 2: Chris Cornellen and Garbage, you probably didn't even remember they

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Speaker 2: did songs.

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Speaker 1: Garbage did the one for World Is Not Enough?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Pierce Brosnan, Yeah, and Sheryl Crowe did one,

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Speaker 2: did she really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And Madonna did one and and now it's gotten to

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Speaker 2: the point where they're just like, like the last one

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Speaker 2: they put Jack White with Alicia Keys.

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Speaker 1: Up next is Miley Cyrus. Oh God, say it ain't

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Speaker 1: so fond twenty three?

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Speaker 2: What else do we have here?

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that won't die, No I do.

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Speaker 1: It's like James Bond, It just goes on.

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Speaker 2: I do have a couple of more facts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, first of all, before.

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Speaker 2: You move on, if we're going to talk about the songs,

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Speaker 2: we need to talk about the opening sequences, the title sequences.

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Speaker 2: When you're a young Baptist boy and there are naked,

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Speaker 2: silhouetted women jumping on trampolines.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very titillating and arousing and arousing for a

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Speaker 1: young boy named Chuck. I'm titillated and aroused.

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Speaker 2: And then the opening sequence of the films typically is

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Speaker 2: some awesome action scene and then the title sequence comes up.

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Speaker 2: There'll be like a seven minute action scene.

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Speaker 1: Right. They call it a cold opening, Buddy, a cold opening.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. That's very nice.

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Speaker 2: And I just got a couple of more facts for you, Josh,

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Speaker 2: And then I'll let you put this to bed, all

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Speaker 2: right with it? What would you say is the highest

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Speaker 2: grossing Bond film of all time adjusted.

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Speaker 1: Gross adjusted gross? I would say Casino Royale, No.

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Speaker 2: Top two all time Thunderball and gold Finger. You're a

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Speaker 2: liar adjusted gross.

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Speaker 1: You know, Casino Royale worldwide knitted like almost six hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars so far.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of money. Thunderball and Goldfinger did more, did

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Speaker 2: they really? Yeah? Thunderball and nineteen sixty five dude, gross

751
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Speaker 2: to one hundred and forty one million dollars?

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Speaker 1: What and is that worldwide or us?

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Speaker 2: That's worldwide? And that is close to what licensed to

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Speaker 2: Kill gross in nineteen eighty nine that grows like one

755
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty something and Thunderball, you know, thirty years

756
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Speaker 2: more gross one hundred and forty one million.

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Speaker 1: Right, But what I'm saying is Casino Royale gross six

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Speaker 1: hundred million?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, that's not an adjusted gross though

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Speaker 2: you can't compare.

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Speaker 1: You're figuring inflation in Yeah, that's what it's called an

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Speaker 1: adjusted gross.

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Speaker 2: And that's about it. I mean, we could say the

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Speaker 2: cars he used real quickly, the Aston Martin obviously.

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Speaker 1: My favorite is the Lotus, the Lotus.

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Speaker 2: The Alpha Romeo and then that new Audi that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Do you like the Audi?

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Speaker 2: Yeah it looks awesome, Okay, but missed the Lotus in

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Speaker 2: the fact that it could also be a submarine.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, Chuck, I would like to say to all

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Speaker 1: the kids of our generation, if you ever noticed a

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Speaker 1: similarity between Inspector Gadget and James Bond, you were dead on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you think so?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, So that's about it. If you want

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Speaker 1: to know more about James Bond, Like I said, there

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Speaker 1: are three, at least three really good websites for all

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Speaker 1: things Bond fandom. You can check out our website by

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Speaker 1: typing James Bond brings up a bunch of stuff in

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Speaker 1: the handy search bar. And now, if you can believe it,

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Speaker 1: it is time for listener mail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Josh, I'm gonna call this samurai stuff from Thomas Guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm a total samurai geek. I practiced Japanese sword based

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Speaker 2: martial arts, kendo and ayado. I've read all this material

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Speaker 2: about samurai and your podcast was a very good introduction,

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Speaker 2: and I thank you for it. However, I am kind

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Speaker 2: of surprised you did not mention the greatest samurai of

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Speaker 2: all time, Miyamoto Musashi. This guy was the epitome of

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Speaker 2: everything samurai were supposed to be. A dedicated soyvant, a poet,

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Speaker 2: a painter, a calligrapher, philosopher, a general, and an all

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Speaker 2: round butt kicking killer. Not only did he write the

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Speaker 2: Book of Five Rings, he also killed sixty men in

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Speaker 2: single combat before age forty, not to mention all the

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Speaker 2: guys he killed in warfare. At one point in your

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Speaker 2: podcast you talked about the wooden katana called bokung in Japanese. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it was a practice sword, Josh, but it was also

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Speaker 2: a weapon in its own right. Because Japan is such

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Speaker 2: a wet climate, swords were sometimes destroyed by rust. Bokan

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Speaker 2: were cheap and easy to replace, and Musashi was famous

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Speaker 2: for winning some of his greatest battles with the wooden sword.

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Speaker 2: Ow I know, can you imagine dude.

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Speaker 1: Owyh uh coving smacked to death.

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Speaker 2: Well, he says instead of cutting someone's heads off, he

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Speaker 2: would brain them, which I guess means like the skull

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Speaker 2: until their brains come out. Also, he was a big

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Speaker 2: fan of using two swords at one time, sometimes two katana,

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Speaker 2: sometimes the short and the long, whatever it took to

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Speaker 2: do the job. You guys, Rocket love your show. I'm

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Speaker 2: grateful for the Samurai show from Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you Thomas for the extra information. As I said,

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Speaker 1: we are always interested in knowing everything we possibly can

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Speaker 1: about a subject. So if you have anything to tell

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Speaker 1: us about James Bond that we missed, that we got wrong,

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Speaker 1: that we need to know, we want to hear it,

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Speaker 1: wrap it up and send it in an email. Don't

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Speaker 1: it a dry martini shaken not stirred. Address it too.

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