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Speaker 1: Hi and everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Boots podcast. The I do whatever it takes. Addition,

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Speaker 1: as the Bengals begin practicing in California for Sunday's Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl matchup against the Rams. Coming up, I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth. He'll call the game with Al Michaels on

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Speaker 1: NBC and shares his thoughts on Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: and the biggest keys to Sunday's game. Then I'll be

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Speaker 1: joined by my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham to discuss a

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Speaker 1: variety of topics, including one of the biggest challenges on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: trying to block Aaron Donald. The Bengals Booth Podcast is

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Speaker 1: getting a police escort. I called a UC basketball game

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday night in Tampa and the team got a

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Speaker 1: The rush hour traffic was brutal, but the team bus

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Speaker 1: his sixteen Sports Emmy Awards. He played in both of

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Speaker 1: the Bengals previous Super Bowls, and he'll be on the

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Speaker 1: broadcast team this Sunday for NBC. It is great to

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Speaker 1: visit with Chris Collinsworth. Chris, you are fond of calling

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow that cigar smoking son of a gun. What

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Speaker 1: are some of the things you like most about the

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Speaker 1: Bengals quarterback. I wish I were as cool as he is,

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Speaker 1: and he is a hundred times cooler. But I am like,

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Speaker 1: how do you get that way after twenty five years

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Speaker 1: He's special, right, he is? And I think that I'm

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Speaker 1: a comparison that I can And it's hard to describe

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Speaker 1: what he means to Cincinnati. But I don't know that

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Speaker 1: there's been a football player on the Cincinnati Bengals team

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow means to this community. When did you start

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Speaker 1: to think this team could compete with the elite teams

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Speaker 1: And to see the second half that they put together

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Speaker 1: we were in the Super Bowl. We won two home games,

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Speaker 1: You know, both the Super Bowl teams that I was on,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you look at these guys and

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and he's gonna go why not. Why isn't

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Speaker 1: could use as a sixth offensive lineman at a couple

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Speaker 1: of them. Report else books, you can put seven offensive

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Speaker 1: linemen out there. Whatever it takes to get those guys

431
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: blocked up is definitely a prerequisite. There's no doubt. Do

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Speaker 1: you have to use two guys on Aaron Donald on

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00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: almost every play? I think so. Two helmets and four hands,

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00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: that's my model. You know, you gotta have two people

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Speaker 1: on them. Man. Uh, you know it's good to have

436
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: four eyeballs and four hands working against this guy because

437
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: his talent, his physical talent is so stream it's equivalent

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Speaker 1: to two people. I mean, it's the thing about him, damn.

439
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: That's most impressive to me is you know he can run.

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00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: He runs UB four seven at his size. But he's

441
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: also got the burst, the first step quickness. I mean,

442
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: his first move off the line of scrimmage is lightening quick.

443
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean it is unbelievable, the explosiveness. And he gets

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00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: to your shoulder so quickly. You know, he lines up

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Speaker 1: and then way outside of your shoulder or even in

446
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 1: just on the inside of the offensive tackle, so he's

447
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: like almost on the other side of the gap close

448
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: to the tackle than he used to you at guard

449
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: and me I would I was always big with Jim McNally.

450
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: I would always do horizontal and vertical splits. Horizontal splits

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Speaker 1: from you know, center to guard, you know, two feet

452
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But then you can you can go all

453
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Speaker 1: the way up on the line of scrimmage is closer

454
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Speaker 1: you can get, or you can move back vertically from

455
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, move up or move back, and

456
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: you can move back to where if you get into

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00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: three point stanch, your helmet has to be at the

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Speaker 1: number at the center. You can't, you know, go way

459
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: back or they'll flag you for illegal formation. But I

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00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: would get back as far as I could against this

461
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: guy because he is so explosive, gets on that shoulder

462
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: so quickly. Man. I would make sure that I would

463
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Speaker 1: buy as much space as possibly put. I'd even get

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Speaker 1: in a two point stance and not give him a

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Speaker 1: closer target. I get in a two point stance, stay

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Speaker 1: back and make him beat up as much space with

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00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: that explosive explosive as possible, and give myself a chance

468
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: in the freezer ball against big hands Johnson, I did

469
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: just the opposite. Jim McNally said, this guy's got you know,

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Speaker 1: massive hands and all that, but he's got some quick moves,

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Speaker 1: but everything's in place. You know, he's not advancing to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. So he said, get up on the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage and jam them. Get your hands on him

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Speaker 1: before you can get his hands on you. Do it,

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00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, right away. So I literally I was on

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage to the point where I was

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00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: almost off size. I had to lean back to make

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Speaker 1: sure my face masks wasn't hanging over the back edge

479
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: of the ball, you know, because you're you're in the

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00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: neutral zone. And I took every centimeter I could of

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00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: space to get us close to the line of scrimmage

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: and on our first pass protection, I was in that

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Speaker 1: two point stance and waiting my phone. Jam them and

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00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: shock him. I mean, he's totally stunned him. And I

485
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: remember going to the sideline and saying, Jimmy, he's stunned me.

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00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't think nobody's ever done this to him before

487
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: he goes, well, keep doing it, let's do it, let's

488
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: do it. It was great, but I play when you're

489
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: going against really good players like that. Play with the splits,

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00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: horizontal verticals, play with everything you possibly can play with

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00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: your technique. You know, maybe you want to instead of kickstep,

492
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: maybe you want to attack him with a step and

493
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: jam them to get him off. You know, if you

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00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: can get him to stop and restart a guy like him,

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00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing, because if you let

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00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: him come off and you don't, it's almost like jam

497
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: and a tight end off the line of scrimage. You

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00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: don't give him a free release, let him run into

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00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: his route. Don't let this guy get a free release

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00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage on you as a pass rusher.

501
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Try to try to reroute him, try to jam him.

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00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you know, almost as quickly as it

503
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: can with a good angle. And that's where the horizontal,

504
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, split comes into play. He's he's an interesting guy, though,

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00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: I'd almost like say, all right, if it's not von

506
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: Miller offensive tackle. Whoever, if you're working against somebody that

507
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: if you could jam, if he's weighing outside to the

508
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: point he's just inside of you, you try to hit

509
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: him with one arm as you're setting to the other

510
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: other player, you know, almost try to be busier than

511
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: a one armed paper hanger. You know, you use both

512
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: your hands on both linemen. I try to come up

513
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: with as many as many ways as I possibly can

514
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: to slow that pass rush down because, as we know, Dan,

515
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: that's the key to the game. It really is. Well,

516
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: one more thought on that topic. So in the Tennessee game,

517
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals gave up nine sacks and three additional quarterback

518
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: hits plus two sacks that didn't count. Then against the Chiefs,

519
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: one sack, three quarterback hits. So obviously they bounce back

520
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: after being lamb basted for a week following the Tennessee game,

521
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: did nice job up against Kansas City. Does that bode

522
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: well the fact that they were resilient and bounce back

523
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: strong against the Chiefs. Yeah, My only My only thought

524
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: on that is the Titans had three really good pass rushers,

525
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: and so did the sort of the Rams. In my mind,

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00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: the only guy that was at the level of these

527
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: other pass rushers for the Chiefs was Jones. The others

528
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: were good, but not to the level I mean. I

529
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: think I think the Rams are number one and they've

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: shown it their number one in UH win rate. As

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Speaker 1: pass rushers by Pro Football focused and the Bengals thirtieth

532
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL and and pass protection win rate. So

533
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: the Bengals are, you know, a couple from the bottom

534
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: and the Rams are right at the top, so that

535
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: that you know, matchup just comes blaring at you, and

536
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: that that's the problem is having multiple guys. So I

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00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: think I think the one thing is that the Chiefs

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00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: pass rush was good, but not quite as good as

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: as ten season, not quite as good as the Rams.

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00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: And I think the Bengals made some adjustments. They got

541
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: the ball out of Joe's hand faster. They utilize the

542
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: screen pass very well. P Ryan forty one yard touched

543
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: down on a screen. They get the ball out to

544
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon either on the perimeter in space or he

545
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: would check down over the middle for short pass squares,

546
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: pads up and run for yards after catch. They did

547
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot of good things. And you know, I'm thinking too,

548
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: another way to slow a pass rush down screens draws,

549
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: draw play and you know, intentionally get Joe Barrow out

550
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: of pocket. You know, I would if Aaron Donald and

551
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: Von Miller line up over the left guard and left

552
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: tackle roll Joe by design to the right, roll them

553
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: away from that stuff, you know, get him out of

554
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: pocket by design, not improvisationally like he can do, which

555
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: he's going to do anyway, but by design. Now that

556
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, the downside to that is you're taking away

557
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: a third of the football field. You know, he's not

558
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: going to be throwing to that backside, and defensive players

559
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: can shrink you know, that field down from a coverage

560
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: standpoint to two thirds instead of the entire football field

561
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: the width of it. But you know, there's there's pros

562
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: and times, give and take to everything. But I think

563
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of ways you can, um,

564
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, slow down. You're not going to defeat the

565
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: pass rush. They're too damn good, but you can slow

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00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: it down and control it a little bit um by

567
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: adopting a lot of things. And I think I think

568
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of that in the

569
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Bengals game plan, a lot of different things. The one

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00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: thing that whenever we played a group that we're really

571
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: significant pass rushes, particularly on the edge, hit them as

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00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: many different ways as you can. If your tackle setting

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: on them, slam the tight end into his side, nothing

574
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: aggravates the defensive end more than that as the tight

575
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: ends going out past, slam them in release and h

576
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: and then if you're uncovered as a guard, slam them

577
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: from the inside, you know, and then and then check

578
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: your line responsibility. They hate that. They hate that. So

579
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: now it's like which way, which way are they going

580
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: to attack me? From them? And it slows them down?

581
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's they're not going to just pin their

582
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: ears back and pass rush with reckless abandon. So I

583
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: think with these really a good pass rushers, if you

584
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: can figure out ways to attack them, is it going

585
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: to be from my outside? Is going to be from

586
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: my inside? Where's the hell coming from? Man? These suckers

587
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: are everywhere. How many guys are on the field, They're

588
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: attacking me from everywhere. I mean, that's that's something that

589
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: can be a fact from the football game as well,

590
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: because Dan, like you said, man, if you just pass

591
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: that and take on Aaron Donald and Von Miller one

592
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: on one and yeah, I'm better than you, You're not

593
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: better than me, that's not going to work out. Let's

594
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: talk about the Aaron Donald on the other side of

595
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: the ball for the Rams, and that is Cooper Cup.

596
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: So looking over his season, the Rams have played twenty games,

597
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: including the playoffs, He's had one hundred plus receiving yards

598
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: in thirteen out of twenty. So that's amazing. But here's

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00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: what amazed me even more. He has five other games

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00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: where he had between ninety two and ninety nine yards.

601
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: So in eighteen out of twenty games he has had

602
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: at least ninety two yards. The only other time he's

603
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: ever faced the Bengals, he had two twenty in London.

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00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: How did the Bengals cover Cooper Cup again? You know,

605
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: you have to have four eyes and four hands on him.

606
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I think too. I mean he's worthy of definitely double team.

607
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: And like the great Bill Belichick does, he makes you

608
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: play left handed. I mean they go to Cooper Cups

609
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: so much. Higbee's second leading receiver. He may not be

610
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: in the football game. I mean, it's Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup,

611
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, and you know staff It will say, oh,

612
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, I throw where coverage takes. It doesn't seem

613
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: like I get you know. I mean, it appears that

614
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna find Cooper Cup, and rightfully so. And the

615
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: thing about Cooper Cup is he is so slick, he

616
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: is so clever. He'll give you five moves in a

617
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: three yard space. That's like, which what is he What's

618
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: he going to do? I mean, he has got all

619
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: kinds of short space quickness, and all he's doing is

620
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: trying to make you declare your leverage. That's this whole deal.

621
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: This whole deal is I'm working off leverage and I'm

622
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: going to make you declare what you're going to commit

623
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: from a leverage standpoint to me. And it's like he's

624
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: playing cat and mouse with and he wins every damn time.

625
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: He's patient and he's a tremendous route runner and he

626
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: always figures out the leverage at a very opportune time,

627
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: get separation and boom, Stafford's waiting for it and puts

628
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: it right on him. Those two guys have a have

629
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: a nice chemistry. And the other thing about Cooper Cup

630
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: is he's fearless. He won't he won't run out of bounds.

631
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: You know, He's like the Bengals played some great tight

632
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: ends this season, and the one characteristic they all had,

633
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, Kelsey Andrews. The list goes on, I'm not

634
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: just going to catch the football. I'm going to score

635
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: on you. I'm taking this to the house. I want

636
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: to make a not just an explosive play. I want

637
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: to break your back and put points on the board.

638
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: That's him. He won't run out of bounds. Cooper Cup

639
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: wants to score every time he catches the football. So

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: his run after catch, you know he's got. When you

641
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: look at him, you think, oh man, you know what,

642
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: how can he run like? He doesn't look that strong,

643
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: but he is a strong runner after catch of the football.

644
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's got Jamar Chases type of lower

645
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: body strength and all that, but he has definitely got

646
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: some strength to him. And if you're one on one

647
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: with them, God, God bless your good luck. You know.

648
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not gonna let you take him down one.

649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: You got have to run some bodies to him. People

650
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: have to run to the football and they're gonna have

651
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: to rally around Cooper Cup and get him on the ground.

652
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Speaker 1: We are recording this conversation on Wednesday. On Monday, we

653
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: witnessed a pro wrestling move by c j Uzama where

654
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: he theatrically ripped off the kneebres and tossed it away

655
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: in front of thirty thousand fans at the Pepper Rally

656
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,479
Speaker 1: at Paul Brown Stadium at this point. What you think

657
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: do you think c j Uzama will be able to

658
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: answer to answer the bell after hurting his MCL in

659
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game. I really do. I think that

660
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: WWE move like he described that was that was his statement,

661
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: like I'm done with the albatross around my knee. I'm

662
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: gonna play. I think that was his uh, his visual statement,

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: you know. And uh he said in the pressor in

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Speaker 1: the zoom during the day that I'm not going to

665
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Speaker 1: miss the most important game in my life. I'm going

666
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: to participate. I'm gonna I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna

667
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: get it done. Um it's gonna be interesting to see

668
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: today how much he practices it at all. But they're

669
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to find out. If he doesn't practice today,

670
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: you'd think he would have to practice tomorrow at some point.

671
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to test it. And I mean watching

672
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Speaker 1: him when he came out with the brace and jogging

673
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: out there doing three sixties, you know, doing all this

674
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: all this movement stuff, and um, yeah, it would not

675
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: surprise me. I think that he is rehab maniac. I

676
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: think he's driven. He knows what rehabs about after having

677
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the Achilles experience and he rehabed the heck out of

678
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: an honesty, Dan, I think he was very fortunate in

679
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: that his MCL sprain. There's first, second, third degree, and

680
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: then total tear. But I think he was somewhere between

681
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: one and two, you know, and a first degree sprain

682
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: you can almost play the following the week. If he's

683
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: just a slight tick over that. It would not shock

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00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: me in a two week time frame for him to

685
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Speaker 1: go out and give them some snaps in the Super Bowl.

686
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: Like we talked about Dan, the Swiss army knife aspect

687
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: of him. He is an answer for if people are

688
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: trying to substitute here. You know, if they run their

689
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: Niel and Dime, their sub packages in there and CJ

690
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: zamas in the game. Okay, get the end of the line,

691
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: screaming front of your big boy pads. We're running at

692
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: these little bodies. We're gonna pound him. If they play

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Speaker 1: their bass defense and he's got a linebacker matchup, it's

694
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: detached CJ. And that's okay, linebacker, you take the one

695
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: on one, so you know, it's like you're punching and

696
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: making them count a punch instead of the other way around.

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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: And that's an interesting thing about the Rams too, dan Is.

698
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: They go up temple a lot and they try to

699
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's interesting. It's going to be against the

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Speaker 1: Bengals in the super Bowl. It's like sam Weiss with

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00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: the no huddle in eighty eight, and here it is.

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00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, all these years later, the La Rams are

703
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: doing exactly what what sam Weiss did, going up tempo,

704
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: making you hesitant to substitute. They'll quick snap you. They're

705
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: trying to get favorable matchups on the football field. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting how then all these years later, the late

707
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Speaker 1: rates sam Weiss's concept is still being utilized in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League and you knew it was going to

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00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: be a revolutionary thing, and it's it has stood the

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00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: test of time very interestingly. Um and it's going to

711
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: be interesting to see the position versatility that the sense

712
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: Bengals have that lou Aroumo has been looking for. It

713
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: helps when you're in that situation and you have guys

714
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: that can do different things. If you get caught with

715
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: a defensive personnel group you really would prefer not to

716
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: have on the field. If you've got some guys that

717
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: can do multiple things that makes the pain more tolerable,

718
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: that's for sure. If I run into c. J Uzama

719
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: before kickoff on Sunday, I'm going to remind him that

720
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: Jack Youngblood played in Super Bowl fourteen with a broken leg.

721
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: Remember that exactly, No doubt, no doubt. Man, you talked

722
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: about a tough dude. Now that's that's pure toughness right there. Boy.

723
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: So I've been to five Super Bowls, You've been to

724
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: twenty plus. It is a corporate event. Maybe one third

725
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: of the fans on Sunday are going to be Avid

726
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: Bengals and Rams fans. Does that negate the home field

727
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: advantage for the Rams? Yeah? I mean my understanding was

728
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: in the in the championshi Ship Game, the forty nine

729
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: are fans outnumber the Rams fans, buy a bunch. The

730
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: Rams had to go silent count in their own place

731
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: because there were more you know, Scarlet and Gold. You know,

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00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the Rams fans weren't there. The forty nine er fans

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00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: showed up in big numbers. So yeah, I think I

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00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: think that it's going to be a plus for the

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Speaker 1: Bengals that they're not going to have to deal with

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Speaker 1: the crowd noise. They dealt with in Tennessee in Kansas City.

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00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: That's for sure. They're going to be able to operate normally.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think it's going to be an

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00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: issue whatsoever. You know. The issue is the Rams have

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Speaker 1: the players who stayed in their homes all week. They've

741
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: had home cooking from their wife all week long. They

742
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: slept in the bed that they sleep in there on

743
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: a day to day basis all week long. They're going

744
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: to go to a hotel the night before the game

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00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Saturday night. They've gone to it every home game during

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00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: the course of the season. It's business as usual, you know,

747
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: for the Rams having that having the Super Bowl in

748
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: their place, and it was for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

749
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: last year, and you want it, and I think I

750
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: think it's a big advantage. And I think the commissioner

751
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: asked to think about that one a little bit long

752
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: and hard, um, you know. And then you don't have

753
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: to worry about the logistics of you know, flying your family.

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00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: You know, some some family members. You know, you're still

755
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna have to worry about flights. But they come to

756
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: LA It's like, yeah, I can put you and you

757
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: and you up. My neighbor can put you up. My

758
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: good friend over here can put you up. You don't

759
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: have to worry about all that hotel craft. You know,

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00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: it's it's just it alleviates all of those issues that

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00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: the Bengals have to deal with. All the logistic problems

762
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: are much much diminished, obviously to the L A. Rams

763
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: as opposed to what the Bengals players and organization are

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00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: going through. One more question, I'll let you go. You

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00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: asked Tony Dungee a question when we talk to him

766
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: the other day that I'm going to paraphrase and ask

767
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you if you had the opportunity to talk to these

768
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: guys the night before the game, what would your message be?

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00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: And boy, wasn't he great? Dan, He was great. Oh

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00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: my god, that was awesome. Man. That is just Hall

771
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: of Famer for a reason, multiple reasons. But man, here

772
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: is something I would basically, I would say, look, guys,

773
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: relax r E l a X take on the Aaron

774
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Rodgers mentality. Relaxed because it's when the ball is in

775
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the air, it's just a football game like you played

776
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: in high school and college and in the NFL. But

777
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: all of that fanfare and everything leading up to it

778
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: has just kind of puts your mind in a place

779
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: where maybe it shouldn't be. It's just it's about football.

780
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: It's all about football. Relax, have fun, go out and

781
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Enjoy it, you know. And and honestly, Dan,

782
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I remember there was a there was a stat and

783
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: playing in super Bowl sixteen because you know, I'm kind

784
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: of nerdy about doing prap even when I was playing,

785
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: and I'm watching all these shows and everything. It's like, oh,

786
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: the team that turns the ball over first has lost

787
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: fourteen out of the fifteen super Bow And I'll be

788
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: a son of a gun if when that first turnover

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00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: happened for us, I thought, oh, get that out of

790
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: your mind. You know, you don't want to be thinking

791
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: about those kind of things. But then another turnover, another

792
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: turn another turn So bottom line is, guys, take care

793
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: of the football. Go out and have fun, play play loose,

794
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: enjoy it, but secure the football. I mean turnovers they know.

795
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean they were even during the season, but shoot,

796
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: they're like plus five now in three in three playoff games.

797
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: That's that's been a huge deal. They have six interceptions

798
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: and buy six different players in three football games. That's unbelievable, unbelievable.

799
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: If they can continue along those lines, they got a

800
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: great chance to win the football game. I mean takeaways.

801
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: Against Tennessee Titans negated nine sacks. First time in the

802
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: NFL history a team gave up nine sacks and won

803
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: the game. Why they won the turnover battle. Turnover battle

804
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: erases a lot of bad blemishes. Man. You know, it

805
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: puts puts the makeup on and is up. So you

806
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: win that battle, you know you're you're in You're in

807
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: much better shape. So. Um. But and then the thing

808
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl, guys, Um, when you go out

809
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: there to warm up. I remember sitting there on the

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00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: bench with some of my offensive line buddies and everything,

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Speaker 1: and looking around and the stadium was already full. It's

812
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half foot kickoff. I'm like,

813
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: oh my god. They were going nuts chairing about warm

814
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: up stuff. Guys. How how guys were stretching they go.

815
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god. So you start to get

816
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: this adrenaline rush way too early, you know. So it's

817
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: like handle warm ups. Don't do too much in warmups.

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00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: Do exactly what you've done all season long. You are

819
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: now you have a protocol as such, do you go

820
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: through to get ready for the football game. Do not

821
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Speaker 1: change it. Don't do anything differently for the Super Bowl,

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00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: even if it's a longer period of time, you know,

823
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: pregames longer, more commercials, all that kind of stuff. Just

824
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: do what you do. Don't do more, you know, and

825
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: handle the long pree halftime ban forever. Oh the halftime

826
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: when do we broadcast Super Bowl? The halftime show is ridiculous.

827
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: Look as we all the commercials they need to get in,

828
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: so we have to adjust to it too, But the

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00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: players have to adjust a lot more. I mean, it's

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00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: it's like it seems like you're in there forever compared

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Speaker 1: to a regular season game or even a playoff game

832
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 1: leading up to it. So there's just things like that

833
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: that maybe, you know, guys need to be aware of

834
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: and just don't don't don't don't let it affect you,

835
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, just handle it, move on, get through it.

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Speaker 1: Whatever it is, what it is, there's nothing you can

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Speaker 1: do about it. I'll do one more podcast to preview

838
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and my guests will include Bengals president

839
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Speaker 1: Mike Brown. If you are heading to Los Angeles for

840
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: the game, here's an invitation to join lapping me for

841
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals Pepper Rally Show on location this Friday at

842
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: Barney's Beanery in Santa Monica. We'll do the show from

843
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: one to four local time, meaning you can listen in

844
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati from four to seven on ESPN fifteen thirty. That's

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Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Bengals

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