1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: I'll never tell you, protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to 3 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: another edition of the Feminist Movie Friday. I have to 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: say we have quite a backlock of movies that we 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about every movie we watch. I'm like, 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: but then we could watch this one too. Yeah, And 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: this definitely was the case with this movie, which is 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: mo Wana. So many of you wrote in about Mowanna 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: over my course of being a host, because I came 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: in as a host right after the movie came out, 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: and then after we did Frozen, so many of you 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: wrote in about that, and so I was like, let's 13 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: just come back and talk about Moana. That being said, 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: this movie is from twenty sixteen, but I guess it 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: still falls under the spoiler's umbrella if you haven't seen 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: it and want to see it, or I don't know, 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe you don't care about spoilers. That's just my caveat. 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: There has been a lot of news about Mawana lately, 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: which is one of the other reasons I wanted to 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: talk about it. There is a sequel and a live 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: action remake, which I'm very bamboozled by, but like they're 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: doing both right. Okay, there's a new ride or experience 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: at Disney called the Wave Water. The last time I 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: was there, which was in October of twenty twenty three, 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: the wait time was four hours. But it's new, so 26 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: everybody's trying to go in. And yeah, I have talked 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: about my experience seeing this movie. I'm going to talk 28 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: about it more at the end, but I guess that 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: comes with content warning for descriptions of panic attacks and trauma. 30 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I whish we'll all make sense, Like if you've listened 31 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: to me talk about it before, if you've listened to 32 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: this show, you know what I'm saying. And a bunch 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: of you wrote in about the same thing. But I'm 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: not going to be in depth or anything, but I 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: am going to talk about it. This is also like Frozen. 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: I've seen it three times. Maybe this was your first. 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: I never watched it, and I will say none of 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: the songs were familiar to me. So this was a 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: little under the radar even though I knew much about 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: it because of some of the controversy behind it didn't 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: have a whole recasting because some of the controversy was 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: this the one No, I don't think so okay, I know, 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: because like they were back and forth about the fact 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: that like they better have a Native Hawaiian indigenous person 45 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: as the lead, which was kind of like row Rising, 46 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: and that that wasn't an automatic like I remember, there 47 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: was a conversation about that, back and forth about whether 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: or not Disney would do the right thing. I don't know 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: if that's something to do with the live action, but 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: also obviously the Rock you know, debuting his voice. I 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: remember that, but outside of that, I really had no 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: idea what this was outside of obviously Native Hawaiian storytelling. 53 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: End of story. Yeah, I saw it in theaters, and 54 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: again I will talk about that at the end, but 55 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: in in that meantime, let's go for the plot. And 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: I did try to look up all the pronunciations, but 57 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: if I get them wrong, you can write in let 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: me know. Mowanna is a critically acclaimed and financially successful 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen film. It came out literally right after the 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election. It's a Disney animated movie directed by 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: John Musker and Ron Clements, starring Ali Lee Kravaglio as 62 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: the voice of Mowana, who was a teenager at the time. 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: And yes his native Hawaiian Dwayne Johnson as the voice 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: of Maui, alongside other talents like Rachel House, Tamara Morrison 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: who plays Bo Buffett by the Way, Jimmaine Clement, Nicole Scherzinger, 66 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: and Alan Tudec with songs and music composed by Lin Manuel, 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Miranda Opatea Foe and Mark Mancina. And I was telling 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: Samantha before this, but I found a whole very helpful 69 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: video about how to pronounce the of the main star, 70 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: which we love. That's great. Apparently Taika Waititi wrote like 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: the first draft, but he always jokes that they only 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: use like the very first line, which is like exterior night, 73 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: so nothing like got Loft in it. So the story 74 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: takes place in ancient Polynesia and follows the coming of 75 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: age and self discovery journey of Mowana, who is a 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: teenage girl and daughter of the chief who longs to 77 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: go her own way and to sail the seas. Her father, however, 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: is adamant that she should not. Meanwhile, their lands and 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: waters are suffering the inhabitants of the island. The island 80 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: called Montanui celebrate the goddess of nature, Tafiti, who is 81 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: a living island that brought life and health to the 82 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: region with her heart, which is a Ponamu stone. It's 83 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: a type stone that is hard and durable and has 84 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: long been important in Maori culture. The shape shifting demi 85 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: god Maui, who is also a master of wayfinding the 86 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: wind in the sea, he stalled this heart to give 87 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: it to humanity to gift them the power of creation. However, 88 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: in doing so, Trafiti started to turn to stone, and 89 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Mali was confronted by a volcanic demon named te Ka. 90 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: During this attack, Maui loses both the heart and his 91 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: magic fish hook to the sea. So from there we 92 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: cut to Moana as a baby one thousand years later 93 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: and she it's a really funny scene when it opens 94 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: where her grandmother is telling like a creepy story and 95 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: all the babies, all the other children are like scared, 96 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: and Mowana is like, yes, tell me more. But then 97 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: it kind of goes to her playing with the water, 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: like literally the water is moving around her and the 99 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: animation of the water is really beautiful, and she saves 100 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: this young baby turtle who's trying to get to the sea. 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: She has like a little leaf and just keeping away 102 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: the birds. So because of all of this, the ocean 103 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: chooses Moana Moana means ocean by the way to return 104 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: the heart to Tafiti. Despite the call of the water 105 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: that she feels, though her parents do their best to 106 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: keep her from from the water and get her ready 107 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: for taking over her father's role as chief. When she 108 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: is sixteen, this island is in dire straits. They aren't 109 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: catching much, crops are dying. Moana, still feeling the call 110 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: of the water and looking for a solution, suggests that 111 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: they go past the reef of their island to see 112 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: if they can get an answer or at least more fish, 113 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: but her father immediately rejects it. She ignores him and 114 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: attempts to get past the reef but fails. So Moana 115 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: goes to visit her grandmother, Tala, who takes her to 116 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: a sea critic cavern that has some canoes and explains 117 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: to her that the people of the island used to 118 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: be travelers up until Maui lost the heart, rendering the 119 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: waters in the ocean unsafe. Tala tells Malana that it 120 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: is Tika that is poisoning their home, but Moana can 121 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: save it by locating Maui and getting him to restore 122 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: the heart to Tafiti. Tala gives Malana the heart that 123 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: she had recovered from the ocean, but then Tala grows 124 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: ill and requests that Malana finds Maui before she dies. Yeah. 125 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: Milana takes a chemacau, a type of canoe historically used 126 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: in the region, with the sail and undertakes this journey 127 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: with her stoway pet rooster. Hey Hey. They get caught 128 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: up in a typhoon and are shipwrecked on an island. 129 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Wears the prize priz. Malana encounters Maui, who is incredibly 130 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: bostful of everything that he says that he has done. 131 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Malana asks him to return the heart to Tafii. She 132 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: has a very like princess bride. My name is this, 133 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna do this, but he attempts to entrap her 134 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: in a cave and strand her there. So Maana is 135 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: able to escape the cave and convinces Maui to let 136 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: her come with him on the boat with the help 137 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: of the ocean. On their journey, she tries to get 138 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: Maui to teach her to sail to wayfind but he's 139 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: really resistant. Over the course of time, they do earn 140 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: some trust between them. Moana learns that he stole the 141 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: heart and it's most likely the cause of the blight 142 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: that the island's experiencing. She attempts to sway him to 143 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: return the heart and redeem himself, but to do so, 144 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: Maui says he must retrieve his hook from the realm 145 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: of monsters, where it is held by a coconut crab 146 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: named Tomatoa and this whole thing, But thanks to Moana 147 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: distracting Tomatoa, Maui retrieves the hook. Really, Mawana retrieves the hook, 148 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: but quickly discovers that he's unable to use it. Mowana 149 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: once again saves him and allow them to escape. Maui 150 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: shares with her that his first tattoo, because he has 151 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: a lot of tattoos, was given to him after his 152 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: parents abandoned him as a baby, and the gods, taking 153 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: pity on him, gave him powers. When Moana is sympathetic 154 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: to his story, he finally decides the teacher sailing and wayfighting. 155 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: They finally arrive at Tafiiti, but are attacked by Takab. 156 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: Despite this, Moana is determined to push forward and Maui's 157 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: hook is damaged in the process. Maui abandons Moana in 158 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: fear of losing his hook again. Disheartened and defeated, Moana 159 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: asked the ocean to find someone else to restore the heart, 160 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: but the spirit of her grandmother, yes again has died, 161 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: appears in the water and encourages her to embrace her destiny. 162 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: Malana takes the heart with new determination and Maui returns. 163 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: He gives her the opening she needs by distracting Takab. 164 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: His hook gets destroyed in the process, but this is 165 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: when Jana realizes that Teka is the corrupted version of Tafiti. 166 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: She asks the ocean to make a path for Moana 167 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: to talk to Taka, and Moana returns the heart to 168 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: Taka Tafiti, who heals the ocean and fixes the plights. 169 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: Maui apologizes to Tefiti and Tafiti fixes his hook. In return, 170 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: Tafiti falls asleep kind of becomes the island that she was. 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: Molana goes back home and takes her role as chief 172 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: and leads her people back into the water on boats 173 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: on canoes with the help of Maui. She's kind of 174 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: the one leading the charge and that's how it ends. Again. 175 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Like with Frozen, I found so written about this. It 176 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: was so many deep law like forty page articles, So 177 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to condense down essentially what I found. But 178 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: I did find as we move into the themes, so 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: many angry articles about how this movie masculated men because 180 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: Mawi lost his hook, which gave me a good chuckle. 181 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: It gave me a good chuckle. But one of the 182 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: big themes of it is coming of age, wanting to 183 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: do your own thing. That is certainly from the beginning, Wowana, 184 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: that is what she wants, this idea of her finding herself, 185 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: her main song being like you don't know how far 186 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: I'll go. And I thought it was interesting because behind 187 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: the scenes this got rewritten nine times. Well it just 188 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: kind of went through like nine different passes, which is 189 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: not that rare for a movie from this big of 190 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: a studio. But the original draft had her having many brothers, 191 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: but they erased it because they wanted it to be 192 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: more about her finding herself. Like I think the original 193 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: draft was like her trying to stand out from her brothers. 194 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: Oh and brave. I was thinking about that, like the 195 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: different things. I was like this is this is similar 196 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: to this, and this is like kind of Brave was 197 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: what made me think of that. 198 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: This is definitely very similar to Brave in terms of 199 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: you get to the end and they're like, I want 200 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: to do my own thing. But the interesting thing about Mowana, 201 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about more later, is that 202 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: Brave still had the marriage romance storyline. It's just she 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: was not into it. Moanna doesn't have it at all, 204 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: Like this is not there. And I do love Brave 205 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: again if we had more tired. There's so many movies 206 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. But yeah, so they got 207 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 1: rid of the brother's part. They also changed Originally it 208 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: was her father that wanted her to take up the 209 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: sailing traditions again, but it was later rewritten so the 210 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: grandmother would be the person that wanted that, so it 211 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a man kind of overshadowing her leading her way, 212 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting. I think another big theme 213 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: is just responsibility to family, because she does. She's like 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: constantly in the beginning trying to convince herself, no, this 215 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: is good, I want this, even though the sea keeps 216 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: calling her, like she keeps want to go to the 217 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: water and I did read a lot of interesting things 218 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: about how purposely or not, it does feel very like 219 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: the patriarchy is trying to control her. Like her father 220 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: is the one that's like, you're staying here and you're 221 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: doing this. It's Maui the god, the Demi god, who's like, 222 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: you are not near good enough to do this, I'm 223 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: not gonna even deign to teach you. But it's her 224 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: grandmother and her mom who are encouraging her. And I 225 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: did think that was interesting of like Maui being kind 226 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: of a cakekeeper, like he just won't teach her, and she's, 227 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, she's out there and she's really trying and 228 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: trying to learn, but her father was the one that 229 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't let her learn anything, right, And so in the 230 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: end Maui does teach her, and then she teaches her father, 231 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: which I thought was a great like it's one of 232 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: the final moments, right. 233 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: She becomes experts in the final moment. Are they discovering 234 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: new lands? Is that what they're trying to do, or 235 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: are they just waging. 236 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: To come back? They're just going out. There's actually a 237 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: big historical note about this which I'm going to talk 238 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: about that I didn't know anything about. But yeah, I 239 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: think they're just checking it out. And I a most 240 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: of the action in this movie happens because of women. 241 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: It's the women that are getting the stuff done for sure. 242 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: So here's a quote from feminist Gaze, Childlike impetulant. This 243 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Dimi God becomes the greatest challenge that she, Mohanna, has 244 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: to overcome in order to solve the problems of her people. 245 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: Standing up to him, she is fighting against patriarchy and 246 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: masculinity alike, wrangling against the constant badgering and belittling that 247 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: is every woman's surest battle in life, and Malana's struggle 248 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: is no different, as he continually renders her to tears 249 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: and self doubt. Her greatest power comes not in solving problems, 250 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: or being creative about solving problems, or battling monsters our ambition, 251 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: our gumption, but in fighting against the men that stand 252 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: in her way with physical and emotional force, just to 253 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: shut her up, stunt her growth and potential, and put 254 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: her in her place. They don't see what we girls 255 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: and women see. One girl set up against the will 256 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: of two powerful and patriarchal figures. In many ways, this 257 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: is what females experience as they come of age. Our 258 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: most persistent battle is not finding ourselves or solving our problems, 259 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: but fighting against every patriarchal norm that come at us 260 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: from every male, every male dominated industry, reminding us that 261 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: we have to fight harder, yell louder, work longer just 262 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: to be heard, just to achieve what we know is 263 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: rightfully ours free will and volition. Yeah. I mean it's 264 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: interesting too, because I do think a lot of people 265 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: don't pick up on that, but when you watch it 266 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: and you have that sort of brain in mind, you're like, yeah, 267 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: she definitely. I think for the first time I saw it, 268 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: I was more like it was kind of refreshing because 269 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: her gender wasn't really brought up right as like a oh, 270 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: she can't do it. It was more just like her responsibilities, 271 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: So that was kind of nice. 272 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: It was interesting that there was no opposition for her 273 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: to be the ruler or the chief, like every simple 274 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: single thing, like she showed her problem solving skills and 275 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: everybody was just an standing and nodding in yes, and 276 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: even when she couldn't solve the problem the fifth problem, 277 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: they still had like a respect to hear her and 278 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: not denigrating her based on her gender. That was never 279 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 2: that question, So I was like, huh, that's unusual that 280 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: that's not even a brought up no. 281 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's why when I was reading this article, 282 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know that is true, that 283 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: it is mostly men trying to keep her down that 284 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: because gender is so sort of out of the question, 285 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of this movie, I don't think I 286 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: had ever really thought about it like that. There is 287 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: certainly male ego happening, especially with obviously Maui, although he's 288 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: very insecure, but his whole song like You're welcome, You're welcome, 289 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: thank you, like trying to take credit for everything. But 290 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: when we're going to come back to this later. I 291 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: also find his story a little interesting in terms of 292 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: trauma because he's basically like too scared to use his 293 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: powers anymore where after what happened to him, and he 294 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: places so much value in this magical hook that he 295 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: doesn't without the hook's. He even has a whole scene 296 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: where he's like that I'm nothing without it. That being said, uh, 297 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: Mowana was specifically designed to be the hero as I. 298 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: As I mentioned already, like that's why they kind of 299 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: got rid of the brother storyline. That's why they put 300 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: the grandmother and the story of the mentor and the 301 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: role of the mentor, excuse me, And there's no romance 302 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: because of that. Maoi's meant to be really annoying and 303 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: kind of not competent, and when he does start to change, 304 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: it's with Mowana still at the lead. Her sidekicks are 305 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: truly sidekicks, like I read a whole paper about this. 306 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: I swear her like pet sidekicks that are so traditional 307 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: and Disney movies are. They were meant to be like 308 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: truly sidekicks and not still the role from her. I 309 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: was very confused by the chicken. 310 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 2: There was so little like other than being chaotic constantly. 311 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: Then I was like, except for the one time that 312 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: he saved the heart, I was like, there's nothing to 313 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: this chicken. What's happening? Comical foil like that's the entirety 314 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: of the thing. And then they she didn't even bring 315 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: the smart one, the pig along, So I'm very confused 316 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 2: by this chicken. And they're always having to put like 317 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: every single one of them have had to put it 318 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: in a basket and into the little space, including the 319 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: ocean like stop it. 320 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: This honestly reminds me of like a D and D character. 321 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: It's such a good like it again, Peaches in my 322 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: D and D can't. 323 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: Care you compare my Peaches to that chicken. 324 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: But the kind of the role of chaos of just 325 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: this character that comes in and is like, we don't 326 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen, but hey, look, I also thought 327 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: I found a lot of stuff written about the flipping 328 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: of roles in this where Maui is like constantly consistently 329 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: trying to put Mowana in either the role of his 330 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: bait or the damsel in distress and or just get 331 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: rid of her. And I feel like it's the audience. 332 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: A lot of times you think, oh, okay, that's gonna work, 333 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: but she keeps having to save him in one way 334 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: or another. Here's a quote from Criterion. The movie also 335 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: discards the idea of Mail as the only savior of 336 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: a woman in distress, as it was Maui who left 337 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: Mowana in between the sea when she was trying to 338 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: fix Tafiti's heart, only to come back later when he 339 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: realizes his mistake. Another thing added by Disney is how 340 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: man the Man has destroyed Mother Earth for his own 341 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 1: selfish motives. Something else, and this is too long of 342 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: a topic for today, but there's a really big conversation 343 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: that happens a lot around movies like this Star Wars 344 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: being one the democracy of power. She is not a god, 345 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: but she's very powerful. But a lot of people it's 346 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: like they almost dismiss the the person who's not the god, 347 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: which I actually think is a really good story that 348 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: she's able to do that without those powers. But when 349 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: I tell you, it is a big conversation. Also a 350 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: big theme family obviously, I would say particularly the grandmother, 351 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: her relationship with the grandmother, who is also sort of 352 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: I would say she would describe herself as sort of 353 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: the crazy old lady. She does. She keeps saying that 354 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: she's like crazy one. But Malana relates connect to that, 355 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: which I that is a big thing that I've like 356 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: seeing in newer movies where we get to see the 357 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: generations of women connecting. Uh. And then representation, as I said, 358 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Mowana means ocean. There is no romance, there's no quote 359 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Happily ever after or marriage. She just set sails. So 360 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: it feels very much like a movie where she's at 361 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: the end, she's launching into the next part of her life. 362 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Hence the sequel perhaps. 363 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: Well, now I'm scared that they're going to bring in 364 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: the romance portion in the sequel. 365 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: It's possible, It's very possible, but it would mean that 366 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: was one of the biggest praises that got right. And 367 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: I read another article. I'm telling you, there's so much 368 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: stuff I had to cut out that was about the 369 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: thing that's going on with Disney right now in terms 370 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: of Disney Princess movies. I guess where they're being very 371 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: meta about it and they're like, oh, you didn't have 372 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: to get a man, or you didn't have to whatever, whatever, 373 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: But they're not really sticking to it, like they're commenting 374 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: on it, but they're doing the thing, but they're not 375 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: right right, like, because I do think, you know, there's 376 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with romance. We did talk about this in 377 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: the Frozen episode there. The way Disney has done it 378 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: can be complicated, for sure, but that was one of 379 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: the reasons this character resonated so much was it just 380 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: wasn't a part of her story. So I don't know, 381 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: I think you're legitimate to have a fear about it. 382 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: Though here is one conservative take that I just had 383 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: to put in here. I think it's setting up girls 384 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: for unhealthy lives in the future, and also for disappointing 385 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: romantic lives. Oh, dear, dear, dear romance. 386 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I disappointing that she's fled. I'm confused. 387 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: Oh yes, Oh, it's setting us up for disappointing romance lives. 388 00:23:51,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: What are we? Who the man? Yeah? I think so? Yeah, okay, okay, 389 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: Well another adventure. Uh Mowana. Even as a child she 390 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: was entanced with traveling to see She wasn't afraid, and 391 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: I really liked that too. I liked that her whole 392 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: thing was like, I want to go out and see 393 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: some stuff. So the song we Know the Way is 394 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: to k Lawan. It's in the Tokalawan language, which is 395 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: only only about three thousand people in the world speak it. 396 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: I watch the whole thing about that too. There were 397 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: critiques about Maui's weights, perpetuating negative stereotypes about Polynesians being 398 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: overweight Traditionally, because he is based on a real god, 399 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Maui is a fit teenager. However, like a lot of 400 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: stuff I read about this kind of it was hard. 401 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: It's hard to put into words, but essentially like there 402 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: were a lot of observations that Mowana has quote thighs, 403 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: and the discourse about it was something that we've seen 404 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: before with Lee though and Stitch. But I guess one 405 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: of the points that I came across a lot was 406 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: that we were judging non white characters based on the 407 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: white gays. And I think this is a bigger, more 408 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: nuanced conversation, but just to put that out there, because 409 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: I did see that a lot researching it, and I 410 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: I read a lot of things that I was kind 411 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: of like, I see where you're coming from, But it 412 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: also feels a little like, yeah, that's a bigger that's 413 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: a bigger time. 414 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: That's a hard conversation because you one or the other, 415 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: like who based on whose standards? Because I've definitely seen 416 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: on like whether it's like through TV shows or whatever, 417 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: a Maori and Native Indigenous people from Hawaii as well 418 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: as New Zealand being fairly thin and very small. So 419 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 2: it's not like that's necessarily the white standard, unless you 420 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: think that's white standard, because what's what white people like 421 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: typing conversations? So it's kind of like yeah, and then 422 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 2: you look at things like Brave and Frozen and they're 423 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: like why are they like that? And then you have 424 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: this which is almost caricaturist as well. So it's kind 425 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I can see both sides, Like you 426 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: could see how leaning either way could be dangerous and 427 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: why is it constantly this way? 428 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: Though for this one thing? Right, yeah, it was just 429 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: like such a and we should come back and talk 430 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: about it. But it was like it deserves much more 431 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: space than just this also something that deserves more space. 432 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: Coconuts are complicated in the Pacific Islands. The word has 433 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: been used as a slur. I didn't know that, yep. 434 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: So the Kakamura, the pirate coconut people in the movie, 435 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: they have historical roots. They're based historically, but it's messy 436 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: because of the term and also the history, to be honest, 437 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: And there are like very legitimate critiques to make about 438 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Disney in general with things like they're Polynesian Resort or 439 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: Epcot at large that I love visiting, but it is 440 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: weird at best, Like ultimately they're making money off of 441 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: a culture. The representation part is still really important. That's huge, 442 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: but it's still like Disney's getting the money right. So, yeah, 443 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: one of the biggest themes in this is environmentalism. So 444 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, you steal or hurt the planet. See what 445 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: happens again. Mowana's earliest scene that we see her, one 446 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: of the earliest scenes, is she's helping a baby turtle 447 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: get to the ocean. She's doing this work of caring. 448 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: Their island had subsisted healthy for generations on what they had. 449 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: They took care of the land, the water. Interestingly, and 450 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, the directors were inspired in part 451 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: to do this story because historical records that we know 452 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: of indicate that people from this region, who are excellent seafarers, 453 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: just stopped going out on the water at some point, 454 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: and they were historically voyagers. And one of the theories 455 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: for the stoppage's climate change and or shifting ocean currents 456 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: is sometimes called the long povs, which, again, if we 457 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: were different podcasts, I would love to dig into that. 458 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: But as I said, they were nine versions of this story. 459 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: The directors consulted experts across the South Pacific to weigh 460 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: in on accuracy and sensitivity, which did result in some 461 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: pretty major changes from climate lit quote. While the ecological 462 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: catastrophe is presented not a systemic issue, but as an 463 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: outcome of individual choices. Maui alone causes the problem, in 464 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: Mowana alone resolves it. The film succeeds in communicating the 465 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: importance of eCos trism. Caring for the planet is caring 466 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: for our own well being, specifically Mowana's choice to resolve 467 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: the problem through an emotional connection with the traumatized mother 468 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: nature representation of nature embodies eco feminist themes, And that 469 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: article also had a lot of cool stuff. I found 470 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: an interesting take that to Fiti being a woman that 471 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: was basically soothed with flowers and then fell asleep. But 472 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: then I found another interesting take about how it's more 473 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: of the difference between male coded violence is the answer 474 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: and women trying to do more healing. That is what 475 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: Mawana did. And lastly, and this is gonna be really 476 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: brief trauma, so you know, I swear we come back 477 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: to it all the time. So there's trauma for the 478 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: characters absolutely, And like in the final song where Mowana's 479 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: coming up to take a she sings, I know your name. 480 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: They have stolen the heart from inside you, but this 481 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: does not to find you this is not who you are. 482 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: You know who you are, who you truly are, and 483 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: then the whole thing with Maui being traumatized and kind 484 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: of held back by that. But I just briefly wanted 485 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: to discuss I saw this in theaters. It was twenty sixteen. 486 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: It was right after election. I was not in a 487 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: good place and I had I was. I had the 488 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: biggest panic attack in this movie. I had to leave 489 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: as in bathroom like sobbing. It's throwing up. And when 490 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: I look back at it and Bridget when we talked 491 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: about it in a different episode, she asked me about it, 492 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: it's it was because of the power dynamic and the 493 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: size difference between Mahana and Maui. I just couldn't believe 494 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: he wouldn't hurt her. And I know it's a Disney 495 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: movie and I know, like that's not what's gonna happen, 496 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: but it set me off to the point like I 497 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: did and see like a huge section of the movie 498 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: until years later. But when I told that story, a 499 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: lot of listeners wrote in and said they had the 500 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: same reaction. And I found kind of post about people 501 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: having this reaction, and it was from people who loved 502 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: the movie. But it was very interesting to me that 503 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: something about that, and I do think it came out 504 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: at twenty sixteen we were not doing well. I mean, 505 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: who's to say we're doing better right now, but it 506 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: was a rough time. We're on edge where I'm on it. 507 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: But I had so many listeners wrote in about it, 508 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: and it kind of surprised me that they had a 509 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: similar experience, which is heartbreaking, right, but sometimes you just 510 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: don't you don't know an what it's going to be. 511 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: That just sets you off. 512 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: Right well, I mean, honestly, when you talk about reality, 513 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: and it's hard to take out reality of what may 514 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: be or what sometimes what often happens when there's power 515 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 2: dynamics like that, especially again where there's a god versus 516 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 2: an ecocentric god. On top of that, a small what 517 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: you would imagine as a small woman with like a 518 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: big heart, and like you know, as we were talking 519 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: about earlier pride and prejudice, and I kept saying, they 520 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 2: left out like the dark side. She didn't talk about 521 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: the abuse that often happened, and like the power of 522 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: women being locked in their own home and having new choices, 523 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: all these things like that's not added to the story 524 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 2: because it wouldn't. But that's the first thing I think, like, right, Unfortunately, 525 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: those are the things that it comes to my head. 526 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: And if you dwell on long enough or are in 527 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: a bad place, of course that's going to set you 528 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: off because we have been traumatized with real experiences and 529 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: stuff like that. So it's kind of like, yeah, it's 530 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: it's hard, even though you hope good on those that 531 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 2: have never even thought of that or had that even 532 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: come to them, because I did think that was odd. 533 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: I was like, this feels like it's too easily resolved, 534 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: Like this is not the reality that he's just gonna 535 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: accept her and then accept her help and be so 536 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: because when he apologized to Mother Earth, I think that's 537 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: not how that would go or take FEEDI And I 538 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: was like no, because that's one of the I was 539 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: so cynical in that level of like, that's kind of 540 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: what's happening now as we see the world on fire 541 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 2: and our government, who has all the power, is doing 542 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: so little. Saying they care so little is sounding like yeah, 543 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: and even for us, like we're not doing we don't 544 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: know how to fix it, so we give up, like 545 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: and instead of being apologetic We're just like, Eh, it 546 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: is what it is. But it makes sense to the 547 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: fact that we are so caught up in reality that 548 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 2: it's hard to differentiate that and something that should be 549 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 2: just a thoughtless, mindless good story or a story, you. 550 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: Know, right, or like just a again, it's a Disney movie. 551 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: What especially an animated Disney movie for kids. I should 552 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: specify who this movie. Sometimes the are traumatizing. I situans 553 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: where she's under the sea with the crab monster. That 554 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: thing would get the monster. She saw all the creatures 555 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: down there. I was like, yep, nightmares, nightmares forever. I 556 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: would if I was a kid watching this nightmare forever. 557 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: I would never go in the ocean. Oh no, another 558 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: crab trauma. It's based on a crab we specify. 559 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 2: Which is GERMANE voice said Ermine, and I was like 560 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: that voice sounds so familiar. So I was like, wait, 561 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 2: I know this voice, which is a good friend of 562 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 2: Teka with t as well, but I'll just like Jermaine Clement, 563 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 2: he's a huge New Zealand actor. 564 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I know this voice. Where is this 565 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: voice going? Still? Nightmares? 566 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 2: Deep sea nightmares, that's creepy. 567 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: We don't know what's down there night and we don't 568 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: know what's down there? I messing with that. It's funny 569 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: because back when I pan all the time, I would 570 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: run for a long time my playlist, you know, go 571 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: all over the place, and I had the soundtrack from 572 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: a Wana on it. So when I heard that song 573 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: he Sings Shiny, I was like immediately like brought back 574 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: when I was running on the belt line. But yeah, 575 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: I hope that for all the listeners that wrote in 576 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: suggesting this, that we did a justice. 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