WEBVTT - Dissonant Voices w/ Hana Hayes 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.400 These episodes are based on. These are our stories done dun. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.440 Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.320 I am Lisa Hello, and I am Kara Hello. 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.000 And every week on this podcast, we pick an episode 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.680 of SVU that we just like, We run through it 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.839 for you, and then we do the true crime that 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:44.640 it was based on, and we chat with one of 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.880 the very talented actors from the show. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.839 But first we catch up. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:53.040 We gab and today it's more needed than ever. Kara 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.240 is in New York. I'm here in La and my 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.600 apartment where the air conditioner is still broken. It is 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:02.120 ninety degrees. Neither here nor there, Kara, what's up? Has 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:09.520 Rosie even talked about me? She's really excited in New York. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.280 She's loving all the children she's meeting. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.040 I've been taking her to a lot of friends apartments 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.679 that have kids because it's hot as hell here so 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.000 I can't really like bring her anywhere besides air conditioned 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.600 apartments where there are toys. So she's loving it. She's 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.000 a cosmopolitan girl. As she liking the busy streets. Is 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:26.959 there a park, is there. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.880 A baby a place? 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.800 She's pointing things out, she's loving seeing birds. She is 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.280 pointing out a lot of garbage. She keeps going, there's 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.680 garbage on the ground. I'm like, yeah, that's New York. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.959 There's a lot of garbage on the ground. But it's great. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.360 I took Rosie and Oscar today down to my old 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.160 apartment and I got a little picture of them. I'm 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:45.760 probably gonna put it on Instagram. I got a little 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.840 picture of them in front of my old apartment. It 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:48.960 was really cute. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.080 And it's cool. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.000 New York is wild, Like there's just so many All 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.160 the restaurants have like little outdoor huts now of like 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.360 where you can eat outside, and it's sort of amazing. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.160 I know it was caused by a pandemic that ravaged 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.080 the city, but it's a lovely little silver lining. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.040 I guess, like, no, you feel like you're in a 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.359 different country. Everyone's just drinking wine and martinis out in the. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.640 Streets, and there's like places that like, honestly their winter 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.200 their storefront doesn't look that great. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.600 And I'm like, I would never eat there. But now 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:18.960 that they have like an outside. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.120 Thing, I'm like, yeah, i'd eat there, you know, like 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.639 i'd sit and have a glass of wine. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.119 But it's been really fun. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.840 I saw some of our mutual friends yesterday for dinner, 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:27.880 and I saw some of my college. 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.320 Friends, and we've been having a blast. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.720 And how's your family? The Connecticut house. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:32.880 Was a hit. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.360 The Connecticut house is a hit. Rosie is obsessed with it. 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.520 She wakes up every morning and goes, where are all 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.480 my friends? Meaning all my all my siblings and like 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:42.480 her aunts and uncles. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.320 Well, you haven't seen your sister in like two years? Yeah? 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.760 Yeah, it was wild. So now we've been hanging out 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.840 a lot, which is good. And we're going to West 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.679 Virginia tomorrow. Baby yeh no, sorry, West Virginia. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.280 I'm sure Shelby Chill. I'm sure it's just as fun 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:03.000 as New York City. It is. It is just as fun. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.520 And you're driving the whole time. Yeah, better or worse? 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:07.440 Will it be than the plane? 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:07.799 You think? 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:08.000 What? 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:08.960 How is the plane? 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:09.280 Was it? 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.440 The plane name of a nightmare? Nightmare? The plane was 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:12.000 a nightmare? 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.679 Delta? What happened with COVID? Like they don't they can't 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.400 afford any movies anymore. They had two kids movies and 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.720 then the entire system did not work at all. I 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.600 would have been fine with her just watching Finding Nemo 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.679 over and over again, because that was basically all they had, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.200 but the full system shut down. Rosie was just wiggleworming 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.560 in her seat for six full hours and Oscar Turbo 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:32.520 barfed all over me. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.040 But I was prepared for it because he does that. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.680 Once in a while, and so I brought extra clothes 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.000 for like everybody and including myself, and I was the 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.720 one he barfed on. So it worked out, but it 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.560 was harrowing. I really like feel. You know, our friend 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.280 Cole Byer constantly is like tweeting keep children off of planes. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.440 I kind of agree, but I also have a person 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.320 with two children and I need to fly, so you know, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.280 I try to keep them as quiet as I can. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.120 I think the people you've got to get mad at 0:03:58.120 --> 0:03:59.880 are the parents that just sit there, like looking at 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:01.680 the I Potter their phone while their kid is having 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.760 a full nightmare attack like and they don't. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.760 I don't know if that happens on a plane, though, 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.840 because I think all parents have to be on alert 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.800 that they are the number one enemy. Like they know 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.800 that people are I don't you know. I like to 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.800 smile at a baby, but they have to know. No, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.839 people are terrible, Honestly. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:20.039 People know now. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.200 I I'm so lucky with Rosie. The first time I 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.560 flew with Rosie alone. Famously, I flew to Chicago for 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.880 Megan Gay's bachelorette party with a five month old and 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.240 I took two flights there because I wanted to get status. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.920 Did I end up losing my status? I sure did so. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.359 I flew two fucking flights with a baby, and I 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.440 luckily got seated. Its to like really nice grandmas both ways, 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.159 and they would like hold her for me while I 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.200 like once it like went to get things out of 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.080 the overhead. You know, It's just like I got lucky. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.440 But I'm sure Nicole like me. 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.240 Anytime I see the struggle, I just feel blessed. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.159 Yeah, it's just a reminder. It's like you should have 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:56.600 seen us. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.039 I mean we literally looked like a cartoon from like 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.960 a Christmas vacation movie or something like we. I like, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.920 we both were like loaded down with bags like car 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.360 seats to gatecheck the little stroller I had for Oscar's 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.800 car seat lost a wheel. The wheel kept popping off 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.560 everywhere we went like a pilot had to help me 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.080 stop and help me put the wheelback on. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.080 Like it was harrowing. But we got there and we've 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.000 been having a good time. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.760 Yeah, you know, on pre check, I just I kind 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:28.040 of arrive, I fall asleep immediately, and I love it. 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.000 Yeah. No, we're pre checked too, so that's the one blessing. 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:32.360 Yeah. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.680 Yeah, actually we should cut that because I don't need 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.039 anyone else getting pre checked. 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.760 I like my zoom in and out. That's the thing. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.240 It's like, it's such an amazing service. It's people that 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.640 don't use it. You're so dumb. But also I don't 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.760 want you to use it. And how do so many 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.599 people not purchase it? I know people that don't, like 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:52.360 like my in laws. 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:53.680 I told them to get it and they were like, 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.599 we just barely fly and I'm like, even if you 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.600 fly once a year, it's worth it. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:05:58.920 But again, cut all this. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.120 We don't want people using our Yeah, but you're gonna 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:03.680 make me do clear, I'm gonna have to like go 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.640 up to the next level where they're scanning my eyeball. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.560 No, by the way, so I got a new phone 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.720 finally after years of bullying, and I have a lavender 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:16.760 iPhone twelve. I think yeah, clear glitter case. Benjamin at 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.320 the T Mobile and Highland Park fantastic service. I cannot 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.479 tell you enough what an incredible employee he was. But 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.520 the face lock, what the fuck? What the fuck is 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.960 up with this face scanning. I'm wearing sunglasses, you can 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.359 don't recognize me. I'm wearing a mask. You don't recognize me. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.240 It's like bullshit. I know the dumst invention. Give me 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.479 a home buy. This is so stupid. I have to 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.640 constantly move my sunglasses up. Maybe I'm addicted to my 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.320 phone and I should just be able to walk without 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.440 having to pick up sunglasses. But I'm like, what a 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.120 stupid invention to happen? We need your full face showing 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:56.320 at all times. Yeah, yeah, I thought it worked with sunglasses, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.280 but I know it doesn't work with masks. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.719 No, not sunglasses either. Damn. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.920 I'm not in New York, I don't. I did brag 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.200 about being able to fall asleep and stuff. I was 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.160 in Arizona. I was in Scottsdale. They pretend it's Phoenix. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.640 What's with comedy clubs, lying like I'm going to rally 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:14.760 and it's actually in. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.840 Carrie, Like my brother lives in Carrie. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.000 He's got to come. Wait when is it this week? 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.480 I mean people are gonna listen to it was last weekend. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.280 Oh okay, I'm gonna tell him to go. He's got 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.400 al komp him of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.240 his burgers are on me. I cannot believe it. I 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.080 am so excited. But yeah, because our friend, I was like, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.520 how's Kara's sister. I've never met her. She said, not 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.560 as chatty as you. A little quieter. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.400 Well, when you can't get a real burden, yeah, you 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:45.840 grow up a little less chatty. 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.800 So I can't wait to meet a bro. Oh my god, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.760 yeah Carrie, last time. I's whatever. The hotel is across 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.080 the street from a Starbucks, and let's be honest, that's 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.680 all I need. I just need little egg bites and 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:58.480 I'm good to go. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.560 I mean, if it was across the street of Starbucks 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.840 and a Jimmy John's, it would be like you're moving 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:03.720 there in Arizona. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.640 I did have Jimmy Johnes three times and then I 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.520 was sick of it. So hopefully I'll never have it again. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.240 But I was so happy to have it since I'm 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.680 starting a health kick again. 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.880 Some kind of just like having quarter pounders. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.280 Okay, anyways, but yeah, I'm sick of comedy club's lying, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.400 like the Chicago improv is actually in Schomberg. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.840 It's like, stop it. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.800 I'm having plans of rally, you know, I know a 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.760 tattoo artist there, and suddenly. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:29.680 I'm in Carrie. I don't know. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.280 But anyways, I was in Arizona. I met some listeners. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.360 One was very nervous, like I felt like I was 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.240 Michael Jackson and I was like, you need to stop 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.120 doing this. She was just like she was a legit 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.480 shaking a little bit, and I was like, what's up? 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.160 And her fiance they just got engaged. He was like 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.839 she's a little quiet, and I was like, yeah, she's 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:51.640 so anxious. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.520 But if I was a quiet person, you would be 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:55.560 scary for me to talk to. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.800 Yeah, I guess it's just like I know who I 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.640 am and like I'm looking at like I don't know. 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.559 It's just but once you know who you are and that, 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.480 it is weird when someone is nervous to talk to you, right, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.360 like right, what do you talking? I hat, Jimmy John's 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.640 in bed and sat at a pool alone for five hours, 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:13.760 like I. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:14.280 Don't know why. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.880 But I also had problems the plaza they put you 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.000 in at the pool closes at ten pm. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.360 Bullshit, Like a person came to kick me out. 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.120 Oh, we're adults, You're gonna look at your own risk. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.120 Yeah. Fuck. Old people suck and Republicans suck. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.319 They love rules, they love fucking rules and interrupting. Oh. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.440 There was also a family at the show. One podcast listener. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.560 It was her eighteenth birthday. What's up with her sister, 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.520 her parents, her grandma who's eighty four, a therapist still working, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.560 wear a mappard and she thought I was great. And 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.600 I was like, if this eighty four year old therapist 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.960 likes me, I'm doing something right, you know what I mean? 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.640 Amazing? I love that. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.400 And what a fun family. I wouldn't see me with 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.400 a family. I think that's the number one mistake you 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.880 can make. Also, I don't even know if I should 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.439 bring it up up, but a QAnon kind of lunatic 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.600 made a video against me. Someone tagged me in it, 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.640 and at first I was a little nervous. This person 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.600 was like crying and going nuts, and I go, what 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:17.360 could I have said? 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.079 What could I have said? That was so? 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.959 And then I started searching her stuff. It's all Jesus stuff, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.720 it's all blue lives mad. It's like, okay, so what's 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.160 going on here? She was mad that I talked about pornhub. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.360 She's one of those people that thinks they care about 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.440 human trafficking but actually just want to shut down any 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.040 service for any sex worker. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:37.280 And they think sex work. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.200 Is wrong and they say, you know, it's like pre 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:41.680 serve raping kids all the time. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:42.440 Get off my back. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.400 But yeah, it was actually a person who just doesn't 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.400 believe in porn. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.199 So yeah, but they made like a ten minute video. 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.680 Please send it to me. It's tears, ten minute video 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.640 with tears. And she goes, she will, I'm not going 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.760 to let this go, and I'm like, okay, you didn't 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:02.360 even tag me. Also, she goes, and I kept thinking 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.760 she would go back and say that she was just kidding, 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.960 but she wasn't. She meant it, And I go, clearly, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.480 it's a joke. The whole hour is a joke. You 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.160 want me after every joke to go, I'm kidding. I 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.880 actually don't want to kill my father like, what are 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:13.600 you talking about? 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.360 Wait? Where did she see to you? Is this based 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.000 off of? This was in Arizona? This was a she 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:18.720 left the show. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.560 She made a video after seeing you live. She left 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.160 the show go after my porn hub joke. She said 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.360 she waited ten more minutes. She was crying in the video, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:33.880 how distraught she was because I love child abuse images. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.880 It's like, it's the most crazy. It's it was because 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.599 at first, you know, I'm an empathetic person. I was like, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.480 I wonder what I could have said. But then it's like, oh, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.559 you just want attention, Because if you were really bothered 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.040 and you really care about an issue, you would wait 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.000 and you would talk. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.760 To me after the show. Yeah, at the very least 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.640 tag you in this video. Yeah. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.680 No, someone else tagged me and they were like, I 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:55.439 see her all the time. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.839 Hopefully she'll learn from this. I go, clearly it was 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.280 a joke. Why would everything be a joke for an hour? 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.880 And then this one thing is not a joke because 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.080 you seem like, like, why didn't she say she was kidding? 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.160 She wasn't kidding, of course I was kidding. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.120 Imagine a comedian that just said just kidding after a repunchline. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.240 That's what you pay for. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.080 Yeah, it's it was a silly thing. But I can't 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.839 wait to meet your brother amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna get 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.920 him to come. I mean, he does have two kids, 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.920 so hopefully we'll figure something out. 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.800 His mother in lave Stills down there. I'm sending him. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:27.160 He's going. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.520 But let's let's get going into this episode because it's 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:31.800 a good one and we got lots of. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.240 No one else to talk shit about. I haven't talked 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.200 to you in like a week and a half. I 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.959 know we do. We need to just get on FaceTime. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.320 I don't know if it's all well. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.400 I've been leaving you alone a little bit because you know, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.600 we are with two kids in New York City. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.079 No, I'll definitely FaceTime you from West Virginia. I'll be 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:49.680 very bored and have time. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.240 How close is West Virginia and North Carolina? Should I 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:57.240 meet up? I rent a car. That's what happened. I 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:58.720 don't know if I've mentioned this before. I went to 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.360 Australia for a comedy festival. My friend was living in 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.400 Dubai at the time, and I was like, hop on 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.959 over girl, and then she came and I was and 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:08.720 she was tired, and I go, what's the problem. She goes, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.599 it was an eleven hour flight. I go, oh, I 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.080 thought it was so close. She goes, what do you 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.120 not know what a map is? But I sit and 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.120 I was like romantically involved with something when she got there. 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.760 I had a crush on someone already. So then I 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.000 ignored her for a while. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.160 And she's like, I flew from Dubai and I was like, oh, yeah, 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.160 I thought it was a quick trip. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:26.600 My bad. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:37.800 Anyhow, all right, let's get going into today's EPP. All right, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:45.040 all right, we are talking today about Dissonant Voices, season fifteen, 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.760 Episode seven exciting. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.559 I love this episode, and let's get going. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:55.880 We open on Jackie Walker, the amazing Billy Porter. I 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.319 love this man so much. I follow him on Instagram. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.240 I watch him in Pose. I I honestly think this 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.320 was my first exposure to him. When I saw him 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.600 in Pose, I was like, oh, from that episode of 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.440 SVU like that, this is how I he came into 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:08.960 my life. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.760 I saw him at a was it Virgin? I think 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.160 I flew Virgin to Austria. I saw him in the 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.960 lounge ooh, and it was thrilling. I left him alone. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.600 But it took a lot of strength and not to 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:24.400 ruin his day. 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:25.520 It took a lot out of me. 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.680 And I do want to say, I mean, I'm sure 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.560 other people, but I give him full credit and exploding 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.440 men's fashion with that Christian Siriano velvet tuxedo dress like 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.200 that to me really, after that it felt like even 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:45.200 straight to we're wearing harnesses and different colors and Paisley 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.960 print undershirts, like I really feel like him and Christian 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.240 Seriano really did something. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.240 Yeah, he brings it on the red carpet every time, 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.320 and he is like the only one of the only 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.560 men doing anything interesting. So I think that's great, And 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:02.840 I mean, now more are like you said, but yeah. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.320 So he is Jackie Walker. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.800 He's backstage at some kind of production encouraging a young 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.200 girl named Grace to go out on stage, like get 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.360 out there and kill it. She looks nervous as hell. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.400 She looks on the precipice of barf And then we 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.840 break into a graphics package for American Diva, which is 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.280 clearly an American Idol ripoff, and it. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:20.920 Is week one. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.480 Grace steps out on the stage. The judges are American 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:30.600 Idol alums Clay Aiken and Taylor Hicks and the incomparable Ashanti. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.080 She was a huge part of my college life. Love 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:33.640 a shanty? 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.280 No, my notes say, is that a shanty? I couldn't 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:43.680 believe it completely. She's this girl. Grace is like so 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.560 so nervous. She stutters her name in her hometown. We 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.440 see a package of her with her mom and dad, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.480 and then Grace like doing a confessional where she talks 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:55.200 about her mom's cancer diagnoses. Very classic American idol to have, 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.000 you know, get your background package and then spill your hardship. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.760 We cut to Fit and Rollins, who are just BFFs 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.600 eating Chinese food and watching American Diva in the squad room. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.280 I love this. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.080 I love when they're watching the thing that's about to happen, Like, yeah, 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:10.760 I enjoy that. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.040 Also, Ice is he's drinking. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.560 A Snapple, and I know that's everywhere, but I do 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.440 feel like I drink more Snapple when I lived in 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.760 New York. It feels like a more New York thing 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.320 than any well. 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.200 I also I drink a Snapple, probably five snapples a 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.080 week when I lived in New York, Like raspberry iced 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.680 tea Snapple was my like, that was my drink of choice, 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.320 and I cannot find one in California. They've either discontinued 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.160 the flavor or they're just not sending it to the 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:37.760 West Coast. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:38.160 I got. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.080 I'm going back to New York in a month, and 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.920 I can't wait to find out where my snapp was. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.040 I'm mom, I'm a diet lemon or peach iced tea girl, 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.480 but as I was peach iced tea, yeah, Kiwi strawberry, 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.800 Oh wow, I loved it. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.200 But yeah, I love Snapple. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.320 I hate that they went from glass to plastic but 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.680 what I made, But I love that he was drinking it. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.640 And I'm glad you also think it's a New York thing. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.840 And I'm sure people will write to us going, how 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.600 dare you we have Snapple here too? 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.680 But no, we have Snapple in my grocery store. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.400 But it's just it's always just regular iced tea, peach 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.720 maybe and like half in half. 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.480 I don't know. There's just not my raspberry iced tea 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.159 that I want anyway. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.920 Kara, one thing you might not realize is the girl 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.720 that plays Grace was the second runner up season two 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.080 of the X Factor. So she's saying for Simon Callan 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.520 was on one of these shows herself. 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.440 Oh my gosh, I didn't even know that she was amazing. 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.280 She's saying feeling good and she was like twelve and 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.919 crushed it and then was on Broadway after, so she 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:35.520 experienced this in real life. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:36.440 Kind of hilarious. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.479 Oh wow, Okay, thank god you're doing this extra research 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.000 because I just like, I didn't recognize it. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.280 Now I watched the season, I didn't recognize her. 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:45.679 And I was just like I don't care. You know, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.840 like if I recognize an actor, I obviously look up 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.359 their whole IMDb. But this girl, I was just like, okay, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.480 this is just like a young girl. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.000 Wow. So an X Factor alum is playing Grace. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.560 So we're cutting back and forth in and out of 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.200 this package like rollins and f or eating the Chinese 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.760 and watching the show. And then we get back into 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.320 the package and Grace is there with Jackie and Jackie's 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.120 her vocal coach, and he like they do a close 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.320 up of him, like touching her mid section. So it's 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.080 sbu so you know, like you know what's coming, and uh, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.480 Grace is like, this is all thanks to my mom and. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.359 Dad, God and my coach. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.320 Jackie Walker, and I'm like, okay, I mean I don't 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.040 think God did anything, but whatever. I always like go 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.200 crazy when like gymnasts are like I got to give 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:27.760 it all up to God, and I'm like, no, give 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.000 it up for yourself. You were the one driving to 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.200 the gym at four am. Like you are the one 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.080 that like didn't doesn't get a period anymore. Like God 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.120 has nothing to do with this, but a noop dog 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.439 has thanked himself. I forgot if he has when he 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.320 got the star or something else. But he's like, I 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.360 want to thank myself, yeah, because I work hard. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.160 Yeah, and I get I know God helps you work hard. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:49.240 So okay. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.040 So now we're back to the audition and she says 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.920 she's going to sing for Once in My Life by 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.919 Stevie Wonder and Klaike and is like, okay, bitch, how 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.119 old are you? And she's like fourteen And he's like okay, 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.360 let's see it. Like he's like, there's no way you're 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.600 gonna nail this, like amazing song. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:07.200 She starts singing. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.200 She's so quiet, she sounds like she's bombing, and then 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.600 like suddenly there's a turn and she has like the 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.119 most soulful voice. She's killing it. She's the audience is 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.160 going nuts and she's amazing. Now we cut to all 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.399 the different cast members and people in the outside world 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.439 watching this girl, like Sleigh on this audition. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:27.480 We see a live on. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.080 The phone talking to Cassidy. She wants to throw a 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.920 housewarming party. We see amorrow with Zara, his daughter, at 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:33.399 a diner. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.840 She's like, Daddy, I want to be on American Diva. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:36.560 How do I do that? 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.080 And he's like, practice and I'm like, well, also, you 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.120 have to have vocal talent, Like you just can't practice 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:41.919 your way into being. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:42.399 Good at it. I know. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.560 But then the kid goes, you're silly, daddy. I'm like, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.440 nothing is silly about practice. Yeah, how we're talking about 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.359 keep eating your pancakes, Zara, right, But it truly just 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.760 set a statement like nothing is silly about it. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.280 Then they cut back into Finn and Rollins. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.560 At the precincton Rollins is like singing along and I 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:05.360 don't really she super moved by the song or does 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.600 Kelly Giddish want to have a moment where she can sing. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:09.600 I don't really know what's going on here. And then 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.920 we cut to this family where this little kid, Cooper 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:13.800 is like sitting too close to the TV. His teen 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.280 sister and him are watching the show. And then another family, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.879 a blonde family, where the blonde teenager is like, where's Jonah. 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:25.320 He's missing the best part, and Grace is like smashing 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.840 this audition. She brings Jackie on stage, which would never happen. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:30.240 I don't think ever. 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.120 They would be like my vocal coach is coming out 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.639 on stage. I would do that with my acting coach. Yeah, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.880 but I would stay here right now toward Ted's coming 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:40.239 with him. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.320 He's coming out on stage, and I got to give 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.360 it up for my podcasting partner carry get out here, 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.240 like that's what I want. I want that at your 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.840 at your OSCAR acceptance speech, Wow, Oscar, I was totally thinking, 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:58.639 like a people's choice, thank you for believing in me. Yeah, daytime, Emmy. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.719 Maybe okay. 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.600 So then the in the blonde family, this little boy 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.280 comes out Jonah, and the mom's. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.000 Like, who's really cute? He's really cute. Yeah, he's super 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:11.080 super cute. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.800 And the mom's like, that's your music teacher, mister Jackie, Like, 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.480 isn't that exciting? He's on TV? And Jonah's like, no, 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.960 I don't like mister Jackie. He makes me play doctor 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.359 and I don't like him, and he runs away and 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.040 that's that's the end of the cold open. So we're 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.800 obviously getting into a episode about accusations here. So now 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.960 in the beginning of Act one, Olivia is interviewing Jonah. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.320 He's four years old, and he says, mister Jackie's a 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.440 bad man. He followed me into the bathroom, and Pipa, well, 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.840 this is a big Pippa Cocks episode. Pippa Rollins and 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.520 Amarro are watching from behind the glass. We find out 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.160 that Jackie is a pre K music teacher. He kept 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.199 his day job even though he's sort of getting some 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.639 notoriety as like an American diva voice coach, and he 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.040 kept his job at the Margaret Fuller School, which is 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:00.439 a fifty thousand dollars a year prep school off of 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:01.120 Park Avenue. 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.560 Jonah's mom and dad recently split. This is relevant. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.760 Later in the hallway, fin and Tomorrow are talking to 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.199 Jonah's mom, who says, well, one weird thing is that 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:11.840 Jonah wet the bed at his dad's house. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:13.000 What she hasn't done forever. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.400 And then Jonah's dad like blows in, screaming like hot 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.000 comes in so hot, Like they just are screaming at 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:19.600 each other. 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.960 Like she's lying. She only cares about the money. She 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.000 already made a false report to me about. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.560 The UH to the IRS, which is like, that's so shady, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.320 like calling in a fake like you don't want to 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.919 fuck with people's finances like that. I mean, no, you 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.840 can't call in any false reports. The IRS is the 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.760 best false report you can call in. You're gonna fuck 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.000 with your husband, call the IRS. Don't accuse him of 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.680 some kind of like crime he didn't commit. Very Blue Jasmine, Yes, 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:52.520 I love that movie. Rollins talks to the sister Brooke 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.320 Allen played by Hannah Hayes, and she says her brother 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.760 confided in her about being touched by mister Jackie a 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:00.720 couple weeks earlier, but she thought he was making it 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.399 up and she should have said something. So Jonah is 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.960 now drawing with live and showing her where on the 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:10.080 body he was touched, like with a drawing. He also 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.679 draws a magic egg and says this is something that 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.240 mister Jackie tickles him with. And this doctor game happens 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:19.240 in a special bathroom where there are bluebirds and flowers. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.479 PIPA's like, wow, he's a consistent, incredible witness, and Rollins 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.080 is kind of like, yeah, Jackie has no record at all, 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.639 Like this is kind of like, you know, out of nowhere. 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.840 Benson shows them the pick of the egg and says 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:37.119 where it is with the musical instruments. So Rollins is like, 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:39.160 do we have to make like a huge thing about this, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.960 Like he's an openly gay male teacher and a celebrity. 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.680 Like if he gets accused of pedophilia, the stain will 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.520 never go away, she says, So Rollins is kind of 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:48.520 like something smells off. 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.320 No, I'm loving Rollins and I love her got instinct 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:55.320 and following it. But it's it is funny like when 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.160 they choose because usually she's the dumbest bitch of all, 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.280 you know what I mean. So I'm always so curious, 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.879 like what about each case makes her not be the 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:06.360 worst or any of them? 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.560 When they like are like, wait. 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.880 I have a hunch, cause it's like, well usually you're 0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:13.520 just like not hunching around. 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:16.280 Yeah and yeah, And it's like somebody not having a 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.040 record doesn't really mean anything. 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:19.560 Somebody not you know. 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.880 Like everybody has to have the first blemesh on their 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:27.480 record at some point. So at the school, Rollinson Finn 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.119 find a bathroom that has bluebirds and flowers painted in it. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:31.560 It's like a single stall bathroom. 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.240 In the music room, Jackie is talking to Cooper's mom 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.800 from the first scene, and she's like very delusional, and 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.080 she's like, I saw a YouTube video of a girl 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.920 who was three singing opera and it's like you can 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.280 just tell she's like this stage mom who thinks her 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.760 children are more talented than they are. Jackie's like, excuse me, 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.240 what are you doing here? Like this is rude, I'm 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:53.720 with a parent. And then they take a look in 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.360 his musical instruments, specifically his clap and playbox, and they 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.920 find what is clearly a vibrator, and and the mom, 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:02.600 who has just been asked to leave, is like watching 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.320 the whole thing through the window and like getting on 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:07.440 the phone. So you can already like feel the hysteria building. 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.280 And also like if you were using vibrators on children, 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.000 you would hide it a little, right, You're not just 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.560 throwing it in the clap and place exactly exactly for 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:20.320 like a kid to find in the middle of the day. 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:24.359 It's very weird, and Jackie thinks he's being punked by 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.879 one of his producers, and like in the next scene 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.240 he's an interrogation. He's completely like flabbergasted, like he's denying everything. 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.159 He's stuttering like what the hell, Like none of this 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.639 is this, that's not my tool, Like I don't know 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:38.199 what that is. 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:39.040 I never you know. 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:43.200 And Olivia is like, you're famous and you're still teaching 0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.399 preschool kids like what? And Jackie's like, I care about 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.919 what I do. Music is so important for kids and 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:51.639 the early years are the most important. And then like 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.400 he's just like, not, they're not believing anything he says, 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:55.400 so he lawyers up. 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:55.640 Well. 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.520 I love his line during this where he's just like 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.680 you are not listening to me. Yeah, like you are 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.760 not seeing me, you are not you are not taking 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.000 me seriously at all. 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:06.800 I need a lawyer. 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:08.359 And I just love the way he set up his 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:11.720 boundaries and it was like it wasn't like, oh I'm scared, 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:12.359 this is too much. 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:13.200 I'm getting a lawyer. 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:15.600 It's just like, you guys are fucking up. I just 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.840 love the way he worded everything. He's an amazing actor. No, 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:19.960 he is really great. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.000 You really get the you really get this sort of 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.240 like hysteric, like how upsetting it must be to just 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:28.360 have everybody coming at you being like, yes, you did 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.719 you did this, you did this, you did this, and 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.120 you you didn't do it. 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.320 And I'm sure there's an added like distrust of the 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.720 criminal justice system and everything being a black gay man 0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.840 and like these rich ass white spaces like it already. 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.920 It's just so many added layers and layers. 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:50.640 Yeah, clearly the listeners can see what's whose side we're on. 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:51.919 We're not hiding it. 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.639 Yeah, I'm sort of giving away a little bit of 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.800 the end, but this is like the point of the episode. 0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:59.840 Rollins is like, Wow, you guys were like going out 0:26:59.880 --> 0:27:03.000 him pretty hard, and Benson's like, you're the one that 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:06.000 found the eggs exactly where Jonah said they'd be, And 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:08.640 I mean she's just kind of still like he's worked 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:10.880 at the school for twelve years. There's been no complaints. 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.360 He's always been extremely popular, and ice t goes everyone 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.520 loved Elmo too, And I think this is a reference 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.480 to the Elmo scandal, which you can read about. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.320 We can put a link to that in our thing too, 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:26.000 But Elmo is still kicking. Yeah, Almo's not going anywhere. 0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:28.679 This was like one guy that voiced Elmo and was 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.840 his puppeteer had a scandal and it's like, yeah, Almo 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:35.320 is here to stay. So they think Jackie has been 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.720 grooming Jonah, and Rollins is kind of like, I don't know. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.320 He's four years old, like he might not know what's 0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:44.320 going on. Pippa says Jonah won't be swearable, even though 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:46.400 she before said he was consistent and credible. 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:48.720 I guess because of age. He's too young. 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.200 So they're like, there's got to be other accusers. She said, 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.239 I'll call the Principles see if there's other accusers, and 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.280 I'll put some fear in them, is what she says. 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.120 Now, I'm just picturing Rosie as like an expert witness 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:01.840 on the stand. 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.720 I bet she could do it. They'd be like, who 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:06.560 did you see do this? 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:12.040 She'll go Leza under jack Aranda. 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.920 She does love talking about jack Aranda's. 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.680 Well, anyone that I tell about that, They're like, what's 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.399 a jack Aranda? 0:28:17.520 --> 0:28:22.760 I go, yeah, exactly. So now in the next scene, 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:24.600 Rollins is talking to Cooper, who. 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:27.240 Is clearly another boy who's come forward, and he is 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.040 the boy who his mom was talking about the opera 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.960 singer and we were watching this boy and his sister 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.239 watch American Diva at the beginning of the episode. So 0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:39.000 they're like, hey, Cooper, we heard you didn't want to 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.840 go to music class the other day, and he goes, yeah, 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.320 I didn't want to go because mister Jackie does bad things. 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.760 He came into the bathroom with me. There was a window. 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.200 Above the tub with pink flowers and she's like a 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:52.240 tub and he's like, I meant sync. So he talks 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.080 about the game and the extra special purple magic eggs 0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:56.520 and then he gets tickled with it. So it's a 0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.440 very similar story to Jonah's and apparently nobody things they 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.320 sound coached. In the hallway. Cooper's mom is like a 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.200 complete nut and she's like pacing the halls, fielding phone calls, 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.240 like getting multiple calls like hold on, I'm on the 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.120 other line with Ellen, like everything. She just seems like 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.160 she's getting very wrapped up in the whole thing and 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.520 obviously spreading the word to many other moms around the school. 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.480 And yeah, she's Cooper's mom, Missus Burne. She says, oh 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.520 my god. A month ago Cooper came home without his underwear. 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.280 So at the precinct, we've now got two victims. But 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.360 Rollins points out that the descriptions of the bathrooms are different, 0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:33.680 and they're like, well, that's not They're all kind of 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.720 just like writing Rollin's off here. Then they have tested 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.680 the magic egg and it is positive for Jonah's saliva 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:46.479 and fecal bacteria. And then there's a second sample on it, 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.680 so they need to get that tested also, and they're 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.880 just like, well, you wanted more evidence, Pepa, what else 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:53.520 are you waiting for? In the next scene, we found 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.080 out that it's both Jonah and Cooper's DNA are on 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:56.760 the sex toy. 0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.320 Jackie is still denying. I have to admit. This does 0:29:59.360 --> 0:29:59.760 look bad. 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.840 Does look bad for him, and he's denying, but every 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.240 pedophile would deny, you know, Like so who knows. A 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.280 bunch of kids say they saw him go into the 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:13.040 bathroom with Cooper. So Jackie breaks down and says, okay, 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.120 I did go into the bathroom with Cooper because the 0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:18.240 poor kid fell into the toilet. He was embarrassed, he 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.360 was crying. I was trying to help him and save 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.360 him from shame. I should have told his mother. She 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.080 wasn't at pick up that day. I had to go 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.960 to American Diva. I didn't do anything to these kids. 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.320 He's still maintaining his innocence now, and Olivia is like, 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:35.120 sort of not normal Olivia. She's really not believing and 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.480 she's really like, oh, which one of your excuses should. 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:38.760 We go with? 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.320 Punk Like she's really kind of coming off a little 0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.440 bit more cynical than Olivia usually does. And now it's 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.640 like the full scandal of this has launched right like 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.000 it's on TV Grace from American Divas being hounded by 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.719 the paparazzi and she's like, I thought I knew him. 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:54.840 I guess I didn't, you know. 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.000 Taylor Hicks makes a statement on behalf of American Diva 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:01.080 saying that Jackie's taking a leave of absence. Iced Tea 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.080 is like a little bit with Rollin's like, are we 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:06.880 sure this is like this happened? And Rollins is like, 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.360 I know Live is working through some things because famously 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.120 this is seven episodes after the William Lewis Nightmare, so 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.760 they think her judgment might be off and she's pushing 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.680 this one too hard, and Amara's like, I'm gonna go 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.520 with my partner on this one, and Rollins' is like, 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.800 of course you are so little tension between those two. 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.360 At arraignment, Jackie pleads not guilty, but they argue that 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:31.200 he has all this access and like all this money, 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.520 even though I mean there's really no proof yet he's 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.040 just gotten on TV two days earlier or something. As 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.080 a vocal coach like, I don't think there's any proof 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.960 that he has all these resources. And they set his 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:42.920 bail at a million dollars and he's like, I don't 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.200 have that money, and his lawyer is like, can you 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.800 call someone? He's like, my brother won't return my phone calls. 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.600 I have no family, I have no resources. Like this is, 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:54.120 you know, and like, let's not forget that. Like when 0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.080 you cannot pay bail because of the bail system in 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.160 our country, you just stay in jail until your trial, 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:02.120 which could be years. 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.240 In this show, it seems like it's two weeks, but 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:05.400 it's years. 0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.960 In a lot of cases, and you know, that's why 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.520 we sort of need to change the whole bail system. 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.880 But also, yeah, this is a semi famous, openly black 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.720 gay man going to jail with the stink of pedophile 0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:19.920 on him. So he's not having a great time in jail. 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:24.200 And this is kind of like the Pipa Cox Tank 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:28.760 Abraham episode in terms of like them telling Hank like, yeah, 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.680 everyone's going to turn their back on you if they 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.200 already haven't, right, Like you really need some great fucking 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:38.840 friends to stand with you during a pedophile trial. Yeah, yeah, 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.040 Like we might be best friends, but will you be my 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:41.760 friend when I'm on. 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.360 Trial for pedophilia? Who knows? 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:43.920 Right? 0:32:45.160 --> 0:32:49.080 In the next scene, Olivia's with her therapist, so they 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:51.560 talk about the case. Olivia feels like she's playing whack 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:53.840 a mole, like, which I'm sure it is what it's 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.880 like when you work in sex crimes in New York City, 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.240 Like it's never there's never like a slow period where 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.040 people are not being hurt. So he's like, do you 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.600 think of yourself as a savior, And it's like, yeah, 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.120 Olivia Benson is one hundred percent of savior. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:10.640 Lisa has the candle to prove it. 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.960 He's like, you've spent so much of your life taking 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.600 care of others. You've never mentioned your parents, and I 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.240 couldn't help but wonder very Sex in the City. 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.200 Dialogue, if when you were a little girl did someone 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:22.960 take care of you? 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.000 Okay, so we're getting a little personal moment with Olivia 0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.320 where you get the feeling that she completely raised herself 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.320 because obviously her father wasn't in her life and her 0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:33.600 mother was this alcoholic and so you don't get the 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.440 feeling that she was taken care of and so maybe 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.680 this speaks to her need to want to take care 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:39.280 of people. 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:39.600 All the time. 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.160 So now in the next scene, the floodgates are open. 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.800 All these kids are now saying mister Jackie's a bad 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.160 man that touched them. But this next round of stories 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.600 do not sound credible to me really as much or 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.760 at all. So like one of the kids is like, 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.600 mister Jackie is a bad man, and then she says 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.160 it was uncomfortable. And now Finn is hearing from a 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.000 little boy and says, mister Jackie played the game with me. 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:05.200 It was inappropriate. Like that's not words four year olds 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:05.640 are using. 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.680 I mean, my daughter repeats everything I say, but she's 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.200 not like in conversation saying inappropriate. And I know she's 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.600 only two, but I don't really think that you can 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.600 just tell that these are coached words, I think. And 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.000 tomorrow is like hearing from a little girl who straight 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.359 up goes, mister Jackie's a bad man to my mom 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.359 says he is, so he is like you know, so 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.560 that's like you're just fully hearing how these kids are 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.319 being influenced by their parents. And now we're up to 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.520 nine allegations boys and girls, which I don't think is 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:31.160 as common. 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.200 And they're all preschoolers at this. 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.799 School and they all said Jackie Walker tickled them. And 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.000 all the kids are too young to be swearable, like 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:43.880 they're all four around four. So now they're like, let's 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.920 go to brook, Jonah's older sister, because she's been studying 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:49.720 with him for ten years, even though she's like fourteen 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.359 or fifteen now, she's studied with him when she was four. 0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:55.320 So Brooke says, Jackie didn't touch me. He just touches 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.840 little kids. And they're like, yeah, but you were a 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.440 little kid. She breaks down and says, if I had 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.760 just told my mom, then it wouldn't have happened to Jonah. 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:06.200 And it's like, yeah, probably, but you can't I guess, 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:10.799 don't blame yourself. But she says it started out as 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.560 tickling and then he had these egg toys and he 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.800 had her put one inside of her and he would. 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:16.680 Watch and touch himself. 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.759 Now I'm watching this episode with my mother at this time, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.160 who is a pediatrician, and my mom goes, oh, come on, 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.279 you could not put one of those toys inside of 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.719 a four year old child without causing serious damage. And 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.319 I was like, okay, so that's coming from a pediatrician 0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:35.640 that you could not put a full vibrator egg into 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.480 a small child or it would cause bleeding, which a 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:39.520 parent would notice. 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.279 You know what, this season, maybe a Neil Bear's a 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.200 medical expertise on staff. 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:45.960 Yeah, you know what I mean, because she would have 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:47.800 known you can't put an egg in a baby. 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.440 And you know what, Rosemary Clink is available and she 0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.239 can be paid in wine. If you pay her in 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.440 rose she will absolutely be your pediatric consult I did. 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.239 Love watching your mom drink wine. 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.160 You did wait long. She was truly going through bottle 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.359 after bottle. She was on vacation. If you're a patient 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:06.360 of her, she was on vacation. 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:11.840 So now they go talk to Rachel Cooper's older sister. 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.160 And I love this actress because her name is Kara 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.879 with a K, and she is also the main girl 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.000 from Moonrise Kingdom which was a movie I loved, and 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.560 I actually tried to have a Moonlight Rice Kingdom themed 0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.520 backdrop for my photo booth at my wedding, but it 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.600 was too hard to do. But I did call several 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.200 Alamo draft houses asking if I could get their backdrop 0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.480 of Moonrise Kingdom and they did not have them. Rollins 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.120 goes to help Cooper brush his teeth and she notices 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.400 that in Cooper's bathroom. This is like, so Olivia can 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.480 go speak to the sister. Rollins' is like, oh, Cooper 0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.880 finishes toothbrushing, and then she notices that in his bathroom 0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.520 there's bluebirds and pink flowers over the tub in the 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.920 bathroom and she's like, has mister Jackie ever been to 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.080 your house? And he's like no, never Meanwhile, we cut 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.239 back to Rachel talking Olivia and she's like, oh yeah, 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:02.080 mister Jackie, use the vibrators on me. And Rollins comes 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:03.440 in and is like live, can I talk to you? 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.839 And Lives like not a great time, Rollins and she's 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.759 like and nevertheless, can I talk to you? And they 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.480 have this like tense moment, but then she does pull 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.759 Olivia out and show her the bathroom and then they 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.319 talked to Cooper again and now he's kind of like 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:19.919 reciting the story. Now you're getting it sounds a little 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.680 bit more coached, a little bit more wrote. And they 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:25.840 ask him, is it hard for you to remember the 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.759 story the way it was told to you? And he's 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.000 like yeah, And she's like, who told you the story? 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:33.879 And he says it was Brooke Twists heading into act 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.279 for huge twists. Now Benson and Rawlings are talking to 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.200 Pip and Barbara about how Cooper is reciting his story 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.719 given to him and like PIPA's like, well, what about 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:48.600 the other eight complainants? And Barbara goes Extraordinary Popular Delusions 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.719 and the Madness of Crowds, which is I looked that 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.920 up because I was like, that's not just Barbara. Barbara's 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.200 so smart. He's obviously always referencing something. And that is 0:37:55.239 --> 0:38:00.440 an early study of crowd psychology by Scottish journalists Charles 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.400 McKay that was published in eighteen forty one called Extraordinary 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.120 Popular Delusions in the Madness of Crowds. So, I think 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.840 if you are familiar with like the McMartin trial or 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.439 other trials that have happened in the past where it's 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.520 like a wave of hysteria that goes from person to 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.359 person and people like make up these experiences that they've had, 0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:23.799 And that's essentially what they're suggesting might be happening with 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.040 these other kids that have all come forward. So why 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.640 did Brooke and Rachel set up Jackie? Like because he 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.080 molested them when they were four? Is this like payback? 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.319 So let's go ask Jackie what happened. They go visit 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.239 Jackie at jail and he is like, I dropped Brooke 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.960 and Rachel when I decided to coach Grace for American Diva, 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.640 Like they you have to be really really special to 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.160 make it as far as someone like Grace and Grace is, 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.640 and these girls weren't. And I saved them from ten 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.040 years of waiting for a big break that was never 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.879 going to come. And then they were like that must 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.000 have made them pretty pissed, huh, And he like, this 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:00.160 is such a great acting moment with him as he 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:05.080 realizes why these he's been set up and that it 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.439 was by like two of his former students just out 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.000 of pure spite and hatred. 0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.000 Yeah, because he did spend ten years with them, probably 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:15.120 multiple times a week. 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.160 That is fucked. But then it is like, you're right. 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.960 The acting is so good because it's vindication, it's relief, 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.279 like you will get out, but then it's a heartbreak 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.240 and then it's also my life will never be the same, 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:30.640 these two dumb bitches. It is so many emotions that 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.160 he's able to capture for sure. 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.759 So he starts crying and like tearing up when he realizes, 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:42.040 like how like what has gone down? And they're like, wow, 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.279 setting up your music teacher who dropped you for being 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:48.360 a pedophile as hardball, like even for teens, and Rollins 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:49.960 is like yeah, But Brooks sees the way her mom 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.160 plays hardball in this divorce, and I mean admittedly like 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.880 calling the irs, making up a story, like she sees 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.600 like this is how you get back at people that 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:58.200 make you mad. 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.600 But also is she is sociopath because it's like I 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.439 don't care how mad I was at someone, I would 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.359 not like frame. 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.640 Them for pedophile rape, you know what I mean? 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.520 Like, no, that has such Do you really think he 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:14.520 should serve forty years in jail? Like it's fucked up? Yeah, 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.759 these girls better get fucking locked up. 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:20.720 Well, I think we find out that they don't because 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.359 it's like for sure, it's about privilege, Like they don't 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.399 really see it as a thing of this is what's 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.520 going to happen to this man's life. They're just like, no, 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.719 he isn't going to make us be stars, so we're 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.520 doing this, or he's not gonna help us be stars. 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.160 I guess Okay. 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.000 So we're cutting back and forth between the interviews with 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:42.440 Rachel and Brooke, and they're asking Rachel like, so he 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.279 had like a power over you, but like then you 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.520 just quit working with him or did he drop you? 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.600 And she's like, don't let them talk to me like 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.920 this to her mom, which is a little bit you 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.840 get like a little tinge of her being a little 0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.400 bit too entitled. 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.240 And then they corner Rachel. 0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:59.360 They're like, oh, you bought the magic eggs online with 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:00.640 your parents credit card. 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.440 Like that to me is like a smoking gun, like. 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.799 You got the eggs like that could have been checked 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.680 to me before the press. Goot word, Let's look and 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.880 see if anybody in like has bought these eggs or whatever. 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:15.000 Also, Amorrow is like yelling at her and I liked it. Yeah. 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.759 Amaro gets real pissed at Rachel, and then she breaks 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.640 down and is like this wasn't my idea. This was 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.080 all Brooks ideas. She made the whole thing up. She 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.280 told me what to say, she told Cooper what to say. 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.200 That's it. And then Brooke, in her interrogation, is like, 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.520 I know I'm going to be a star, and Rollins 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.120 is kind of like, really, girl, it's really funny. I 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:39.000 love Rollin's sparring with a fourteen year old narcissist. And 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.440 she's like, I didn't do this to Jackie. Jackie did 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.959 this to me, and Iced Tea goes to the mom, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:45.320 you must be really proud. 0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.799 Of your daughter, Shade. I love it, so you know. 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.840 In the next scene, all the charges against Jackie are dismissed. 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:56.920 The City of New York extends their sincere apologies. I mean, 0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:58.840 he obviously has a civil case on his hands. He 0:41:58.840 --> 0:41:59.600 should get money. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.520 Benson, Amaro and Rowlins apologize to Jackie, but Jackie does 0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.160 not give a fuck. His name is ruined. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.399 He'll never teach again, and he's like, when did these 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.680 girls get charged? And Barba's like, they got misdemeanor obstruction 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.640 one year probation. They won't testify against each other, and 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.279 the only way to prove it would be to have 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.720 four year old boys take the stand and these boys 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.960 are already damaged as it is, and he's like they're damaged, 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.480 and it's like just a more great billy Porter acting 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.560 and he's just like, get the hell away from me. 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.000 And the cops are remorseful and they're like, wow, they 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:36.399 didn't sound coached like and Amarro's like, we did our job, 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.600 we got the evidence, and Rollins is like, you guys, 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.080 keep telling yourself whatever you want. 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:41.120 This didn't have to happen. 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:45.080 And it is kind of a good Rowlins episode because 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.000 you're like, she had a punch the whole time, that 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.200 this was like not what it seemed. 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.520 And I like that she's calling them out at the 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.640 end too of just like whatever you need, bitches, but 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.319 you're wrong and you did this and you fucked this 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.720 man's life up forever, right. 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:01.799 And it is a rare occasion, I feel like where 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.040 you see live making a big mistake too, like that, 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.239 Like Olivia, I think that they're suppose they're trying to 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.080 show you how affected she's been by the trauma that's 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:12.400 happened to her. I think because she normally is a 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.560 little bit more even keeled. 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:15.840 She hears both sides. 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:17.960 She like examines though it's in front of her and 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:21.960 this she was just like, you're guilty, like immediately, so 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:24.160 it was kind of you know, you don't see that 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:24.840 a lot. 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:25.560 Anyway. 0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.480 I'm excited and I don't again I always say excited, 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.160 but I'm interested to hear the real story. 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:36.080 Yeah, unfortunately there is no false accusations here. 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.000 It is it is confirmed. 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:43.480 It is confirmed, and actually PIPA Cox mentions this case 0:43:43.520 --> 0:44:01.360 in this episode. Yes, so stay tuned everyone. 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:01.680 Welcome back. Okay. 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.319 I hope the commercials were nice and soothing or you 0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:05.480 skipped through them like we do. 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:10.839 Okay, and don't do it. Listen to them, guys. We 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.120 need that money. 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.160 So this case is set in the UK in England. 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:22.160 Jimmy Saville is the purp that we will be discussing. 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.680 And I learned about this case a few years ago. 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:29.200 I was performing at the Melbourne Comedy Festival and this comedian, 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:30.560 Rosie Jones. 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:31.239 And I were hanging out. 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.240 I will never forget this, and there were other comics 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.880 there too, and she just broke down and told me 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:41.840 this whole story and it shocked my life up. I 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:43.720 couldn't believe we didn't know about it in the States. 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:48.600 But also it is truly heinous. It is so layered, 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.480 so many facts over decades. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.080 It is just a wild case. I know nothing about this. 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.960 By the way, I'm like coming in completely virginal to 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:56.680 this story. 0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:57.840 Oh, you will be shocked. 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.160 Yeah, So I do want to out out Rosie Jones 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.320 for introducing me to this case. 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.080 She is a weak compan another Rosie. 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.239 Oh yeah, she's a really funny comic in the UK 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.600 and really talented writer, so check her out. Maybe she 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:17.560 has a podcast, who knows. But it is really shocking. 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.480 And the way she explained it to me was like 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.160 if mister Rogers had committed all of these crimes against 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.759 children and stuff. But when I googled him, he does 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.080 not look like mister Rogers. He looks wild and it 0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.440 is kind of part of his appeal that he looks 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:37.160 eccentric and so abnormal. So I was like, Okay, maybe 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.120 he's not mister Rogers. You need a new example. Also, 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.919 Netflix is working on a documentary about him right now, 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:45.480 and it's going to come out towards the end of 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.680 the year, which sucks for me because I actually had 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.640 to read in my research. But you guys will be 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.160 all ahead of the game before the documentary comes out, 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.880 and there is an ITV documentary about him that you 0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.879 can watch on YouTube as well. But yeah, so lots 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:02.160 of stuff coming out about him. 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:02.840 So. 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:08.280 Jimmy Saville was a DJ television personality, children's television host, 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.400 radio personality, and a dance hall manager and was super 0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:16.239 well known for his fundraising and supporting of charities and hospitals. 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:20.560 A very very known philanthropist, he was knighted in nineteen 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.239 ninety by the Queen. He also got like some other 0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:27.000 special religious nighting from Pope John Paul the Second. He 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:31.360 was beloved and he used his reputation to commit these crimes. 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.239 He hung out with the Royal family. He spent holidays 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.920 with the Thatchers. He was one of Britain's biggest stars, 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:42.080 a larger than life character. Some of his TV shows 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.320 that he was known for were called Top of the Pops, 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.279 jim Will Fix It, and various stints on BBC Radio One. 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.520 And like we said, his public persona was very like 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:56.839 He's eccentric, flamboyant, straightforward and good natured, and he used 0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.319 all of that to keep speculation at bay. And like 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.120 when people thought these things about him, he would be 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:04.480 able to go like I'm just odd. 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.359 I'm just so weirdo, Like that's just me. 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:11.759 To kind of quiet everything down, and even in like 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.399 nineteen seventy two in a documentary, he was quoted saying, 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.160 it's a nice thing that I have nothing to hide 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:17.359 from people, Like. 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.760 With every moment, you will be more emotion. 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:22.839 She's always so wild to me when people are just 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.760 like flaunted a little bit, like I'm just an open book. 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:27.480 Like what it's like you're asking. 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.719 It's like it's like Erica Jane going on TV and 0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:35.720 showing how she spends her money when it's all being stolen, like. 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.879 And it is just so sad and disgusting that how 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:42.319 far she's doubled down where she's just like, I don't 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:45.560 have to give my money back, and it's like, you're disgusting. 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:47.799 I can't. I hope she ends up in jail, which 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.240 is wild. 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.880 You know, we bonded going to her concert, I know, 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:52.600 her forty five minute concert. 0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.759 I was pregnant, brought I brought my rosie and you'd 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:57.680 wrote to that show. 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.640 And the big thing with this case that makes it 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:05.719 even more horrific, besides all the crimes, is like I mean, 0:48:05.719 --> 0:48:09.120 the question is did people know or not? The answer 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:11.760 as they did. How much did they know? Were people 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.200 covering it up? Were they surprised? And we're going to 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.000 talk about all this. But he was able to get 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.960 away with these crimes for decades and it was an 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:24.840 open secret. Investigators now legit believe he has around five 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:25.880 hundred victims. 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.680 Oh my god, some as young as two years old. 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.960 Ough at the height of his fame, he sexually abused 0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:39.120 hundreds of children, women, men, everybody. He committed these crimes 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:44.880 at institutions including the BBC Broadcasting Studio, fourteen hospitals and 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.160 twenty children's hospitals across England. 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.600 Oh my god, getting ahead of the story. 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.560 Though he did die in October twenty eleven at age 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:58.880 eighty four, and then the story broke, so the story 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.360 was kept hidden until after his death. 0:49:01.880 --> 0:49:04.799 Wow, but that is what they refer to in the 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.839 SVU episode. They refer to Jimmy Saville as like a 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.080 guy that has victims of both genders and like who 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.279 and various ages he is. 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:16.400 That's a little bit of a break from the norm 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:17.200 with pedophiles. 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:20.680 I feel like, yeah, and then this isn't along in 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.360 the story. But a Washington Post article from twenty fourteen. 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.439 It started so shady and went Jimmy Saville was never 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:27.920 a handsome man, and I'm like. 0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.359 Okay, which Gay wrote this article. 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.920 So going back in time nineteen fifty five is the 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.480 earliest incident of abuse recorded by the police in Manchester, 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:44.799 when he managed a dance hall nineteen sixty a ten 0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:46.879 year old boy asked for an autograph and he took 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:51.960 the boy inside and sexually assaulted him. By nineteen sixty five, 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:56.480 records show abuse started at the BBC, at Leeds General Infirmary, 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.720 where he was a longtime volunteer, and at Stone Mandeville 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.800 Hospital where he also volunteered. His relationship at Leeds General 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:10.400 Infirmary lasted five decades. At first it was mostly fundraising 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.400 and then in nineteen sixty eight he had a request 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:17.480 to become a porter and to bust patients. So he 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.680 asked to bust patients and everyone was like okay. So 0:50:20.719 --> 0:50:23.960 he volunteered countless hours as a hospital aid, busting patients 0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:24.800 to and from. 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:27.280 He also got his own parking spot. 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:30.520 He was there a lot and he had limitless range 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.280 of facilities. He would actually park his camper van overnight 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.359 at the hospital and workers would dispatch at eight am 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:41.719 coffee to his door, so he was just like always 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:45.799 out and about. Doctor Sue Proctor, who chaired an inquiry 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:49.160 into his actions at Leeds, said that Savill had an 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:54.200 unwholesome interest in the dead. If you can catch my drift, 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.320 it is said that he posed for photos and performed 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.640 sex acts on corpses in the hospital at mortuary. 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:02.480 Jesus. 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:07.480 This story lots of people claim across many sources, but 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:11.200 I was not able to confirm this next statement. But 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.719 a bunch of different people said that he would wear 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:16.719 jewelry and rings that were made from glass eyes of 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:18.520 dead bodies from the mortuary. 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:20.120 Oh my gosh. 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:24.640 He had a bedroom at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.760 and an office in living quarters at Broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:34.480 in Berkshire. He yes, he made inappropriate comments when female 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:37.600 patients had to strip down. He showered naked in front 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.400 of staff. He would watch women shower, molest and rape 0:51:41.400 --> 0:51:45.279 patients and staff. He had free reign and a set 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.600 of keys. He had a set of keys to a 0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:52.080 psychiatric hospital. He went after the most highly vulnerable people 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.839 because people at the psychiatric hospital are people that will 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.560 not be believed. You know, they're not very credible witnesses. 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.759 There's an amazing episode with Natasha Leonovs. You kind of 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:04.360 dealing with this, like, I say, full access to Leeds 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.480 General Infirmary where he raped and fondled boys, girls, men 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:11.160 and women in offices and corridors, and there he also 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:12.960 committed sexual acts on dead bodies. 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:13.520 Oh my. 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:18.160 One hospital worker said he sort of basically had the 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.600 run of the place. Some of his victims were attacked 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.720 as they lay on hospital trolleys after operations. 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:28.120 Oh my god. And I learned about all this while 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:29.320 we were like at a bar drinking. 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.640 I was just like, wait, what, like what like we 0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.280 do a crime show when we talk about Heinus crimes 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.239 and you were like what the fuck? I was like 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.160 having a cocktail with an umbrella and it as these 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.279 Brits were just like yelling, like everyone was just telling me, 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:46.799 and with every moment it got. 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.200 Like worse and worse and worse. So yeah, at the 0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:49.759 aft Drop. 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.320 Besides hospitals, he also raped and assaulted people in television 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.399 dressing rooms, schools, children's homes, and in his car. And 0:52:56.400 --> 0:53:00.640 that's why he agreed to like bust patients around and 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.480 drive everyone because it was like a great place to 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:08.279 molest people they're in your car. He also would like 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.279 be their version of make a Wish style, like he 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.080 would be driving people in limos to get their like 0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.160 wishes because they were sick, and molest sick kids on 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:24.200 their way to have their wishes, like complete it. So, yeah, 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.680 he was very good at making pride. But he didn't 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:28.640 even have to be private. 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.040 I mean it was like on fucking oh because yeah, 0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:32.719 but I'm sure by the time you're getting away with 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:34.879 it for a couple of decades, you're like, well, I'm 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:36.600 just gonna I'm untouchable now, you know. 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:40.680 Well, yeah, and we'll get to more of how he 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:44.239 had leverage on people as well. In nineteen seventy three, 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:48.400 year Radio one controller asked the station's press guy, Rodney Collins, 0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.080 to check whether any papers were planning to print any 0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.000 of these rumors, and all the papers said that they 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:57.680 heard allegations but were unwilling to print them because, whether 0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.279 they were true or not, because of his charity work 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:01.760 in popularity, they didn't want. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:02.279 To fuck with it. 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.840 He would persuade the tabloids not to publish the stories 0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:09.880 because they would be responsible for the end of his 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:14.240 charity fundraising. So Savill is said to have raised forty 0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:18.439 million pounds for charities and that became his effective form 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:22.359 of emotional blackmail. So anyone that did want to speak up, 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:26.120 including nurses, tabloids, coworkers, anyone, he would say, if you 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:28.680 do this, you're the reason this hospital won't get money. 0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.280 So if you tell, then you guys don't get millions 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:32.800 of dollars. 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.080 As if there's no other way to raise funds except 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:39.560 for this man, Jimmy Saville, Like yeah. 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:40.040 But it worked, it worked. 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:43.919 The fundraising got him into everything and just like very 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:48.920 powerful places. So like in nineteen eighty eight, he was 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.720 even appointed by the Department of Health as the head 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.240 of a task force overseeing broad more the psychiatric hospital 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:58.000 he worked with, the Department of Health anointed him the 0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:58.760 head of something. 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:01.840 You know, that's so weird, like you have no medical training, 0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:03.320 Like that's just weird. 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.120 And even still though some people claim they had no 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:08.719 clue and you don't know if they're being honest or 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.360 protecting themselves or what's going on. But Roger Ordish was 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.000 the producer of one of his shows, Jim Will Fix it, 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.160 which ran between nineteen seventy five and nineteen ninety four. 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:22.200 Like he that's one of his shows on the air 0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.160 for decades, Like we know how hard it is to 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:25.840 just like sell a show. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:26.879 That's never even going to be made. 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:31.160 To have a show for decades, that's a long time. 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:34.160 And this Roger guy said he suspected no wrongdoing, but 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:36.880 oftentimes grown men just do not see the signs, Like 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:40.359 maybe you know, people that are more vulnerable would Yeah, 0:55:40.920 --> 0:55:44.279 but this producer said that one time Jimmy stayed over 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:45.920 at their family home and he put jim in the 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.360 bedroom next to their fourteen year old daughter. Like that's 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:54.480 how not suspicious he was. And that Staman's from October 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:59.400 twenty twelve. He also he thought that Jimmy was actually 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:04.000 a sex clumsy and naive and like really didn't see anything. 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:09.040 In two thousand, Louis threw a journalist and a documentary 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:14.440 filmmaker made a documentary where like he confronted the allegations 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:16.240 but didn't dig deep. 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.000 Enough and I think he regrets that now. 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.760 But they just talked about the rumors and Saville denied 0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:25.680 all of them, and through visited him in his home 0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:30.040 in Scarborough where Saville's mother lived, and he had many homes. 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.200 He had like I wouldn't say, but he had like 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:34.400 a ton of homes, more than a handful of homes 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.600 all over and again more places to. 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:37.640 Fucking less people. 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.920 But in this home that was like where his mom lived, 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.960 and through said that Saville had a continuing attachment to 0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:48.640 her twenty seven years after her death. He would have 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.279 referred to her as the duchess and kept all of 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:57.440 her clothing and stuff. So, you know, mother son relationship, 0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:01.960 so is difficult. Good luck out there, Kara. There were 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:05.400 rumors and whispers and murmurs he was a sexual predator, 0:57:05.440 --> 0:57:08.319 but they never stuck and nobody believed that Jimmy could 0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:12.359 do that. Figures from the music and TV industry said 0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:16.560 they all heard rumors. A former record plugger said at 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:19.160 the radio station at BBC Radio One said that Savill's 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:22.160 interest of young girls was an open secret in the sixties. 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.280 In two thousand and eight, he was named in a 0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:28.280 two thousand and eight police investigation into abuse at a 0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.200 children's home, but nothing came of it. In two thousand 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:35.120 and nine, the Crown Prosecution Service looked at four allegations 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.920 dating back to nineteen seventy, but decided not to pursue 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:42.240 a case because the victims would not support police action. 0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:46.480 So I don't really understand that fully, but obviously I 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:47.920 want to report everything I say. 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:49.760 It's like they didn't want to press charges. 0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:52.760 Maybe they were worried about like retaliation in some way, 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.600 or they would be too hard for the kid to testify. 0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:56.400 Who knows. 0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:59.240 Yeah, but this is like a classic like where there's smoke, 0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.800 there's fire. You just don't have all these accusations about 0:58:02.880 --> 0:58:04.640 somebody when it's totally not true. 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:06.600 Well except in that sview episode and. 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:10.160 Distant voices, yes, but that was like in one isolated 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:10.880 time period. 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:12.480 This is like over time and time. 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:14.520 I think that's why she keeps saying, like it's been 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:17.560 twelve years he's been at this school and nothing, you know, Like, 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.200 but I hear what you're saying. Yeah, So Saville was 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:25.280 interviewed under caution. Basically he said the allegations have been 0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:29.400 invented by the people and that they just wanted money. 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.120 He just said everyone is after his money, which is. 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:34.360 What Michael Jackson always was saying. That was always like 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:36.000 the Michael Jackson defense too, right. 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.720 I never knew that he even made any statements. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.480 Everybody, well, I think people would that's like how they 0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:44.120 would discredit the witnesses in general, is just say they 0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:44.760 want money. 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:46.840 And it's like if they were molested and they want money, 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:47.960 I'm okay with that. You know. 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.959 He threatened to take legal action against the police, and 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:54.640 he mentioned that he had sued five papers in the past, 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:59.520 so he threatened legal action. So nothing ever happens, and 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.800 then the handle breaks after his death, So all these 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:05.160 people sat on the info and he was laid to 0:59:05.240 --> 0:59:09.360 rest very respectfully October twenty ninth, twenty eleven, I mean 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.760 like a full parade, okay. He had a golden casket, 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:18.240 he like in honor of him. He was a very 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:23.840 big hero type of funeral. And then like that was 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:27.320 October twenty nine, and then November all everything came out. 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:31.160 So everyone kind of sat on this for decades and 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:32.800 then posts death and it sucks. 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:33.520 He was eighty four. 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:37.200 He was able to kind of live this criminal life 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.200 for so long, had a hero funeral. 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.640 Then the stories came out, infuriating. 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:48.080 One woman recalled Savile sexually assaulting her when she was 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:51.200 sixteen and that he told her you won't talk about 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:52.560 this nobody will believe you. 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:54.680 I'm Jimmy Saville. I can get you. 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:57.720 She remembers telling her mother, who didn't believe her, and 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.040 she never talked about it again. 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:00.000 Oh. 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.720 Another account from a woman who was raped by him 1:00:02.760 --> 1:00:05.840 at age twelve said when she complained to a nurse, 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:09.080 she was told not to say anything otherwise the nurse 1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:13.240 would get in trouble. Another victim than eleven was systemically 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:17.439 abused by Savil in the hospital chapel during services. That's 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:23.160 how arrogant this guy was during services. And Malcolm Gladwell, 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:27.000 in a New Yorker piece about Sandusky, just kind of 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:30.240 talked about how the most prolific pedophiles are rarely the 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:35.720 disheveled old man balding offering candy to preschoolers. Rather, pedophiles 1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:39.000 can be agreeable members of the community, and people don't 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:43.000 believe it because they're well liked without realizing that these 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.200 people are in the business of being likable. And it 1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:49.200 seems like nobody was more liked in the seventies and 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:55.840 eighties than Jimmy Savile. And so that's just a little tidbit, Like, yeah, 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:59.320 and Mickey Maud, this porn star that I really like 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.600 and an interview somewhere was saying he's like, you know 1:01:02.720 --> 1:01:06.120 people that Clay im porn stars or pedophiles or criminals 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.120 or sexual abusers. He's like, no, we work in an 1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.960 adult only space, Like we work with adults only. You 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:15.280 should be more worried about people that work. 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:17.800 With children, you know. And that's kind of this thing. 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.320 It's like, be more worried about the likable person, right, 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:25.680 not what we're always taught, but the truth. In twenty thirteen, 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:31.320 Scotland Yard reveals two hundred and thirteen criminal offenses across 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:35.000 twenty eight police forces between nineteen fifty five and two 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:38.920 thousand and nine. Seventy four percent of his victims were children, 1:01:39.040 --> 1:01:44.200 and the allegations of abuse span fourteen medical establishments. And 1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:47.040 an extra little wild thing about him is despite hosting 1:01:47.040 --> 1:01:50.120 a children's television show, he hated children. 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.280 That was part of his personality. 1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:55.160 But it's like, of course you hate children if you're 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:57.240 abusing children, Like that makes sense. 1:01:57.520 --> 1:01:58.040 But in that. 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.640 Documentary that through did, and I watched a clip of this, 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:03.880 he asks him like, well, you know, why do you 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:05.800 why do you hate kids so much? 1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:08.160 Why do you insist on talking about how you hate children? 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.800 And he is quoted saying we live in a very 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:14.919 funny world and it's easier for me as a single man, 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:17.680 I say I don't like children, because that puts a 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:21.520 lot of salacious, tabloid people off the hunt. What an 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:25.640 innocent sounding answer, you know, like that is so guilty sounding. 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:26.960 Yeah. 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:31.800 So by twenty fourteen, in June, the BBC Panorama confirms 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:35.640 at least five hundred reports of abuse. The BBC then 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:40.120 sets up their own three year independent investigation to scrutinize 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:44.320 its own behavior and culture during the years that employed him, 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:46.920 and that was from nineteen sixty four to two thousand 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:51.600 and seven. Dame Janet Smith, a retired judge, concluded in 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:54.960 her seven hundred page report that he had raped at 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:58.560 least eight people during his tenure at BBC, including one 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:01.640 victim who was eight years old. The judge said BBC 1:03:01.800 --> 1:03:04.920 staff members were aware of the complaints against him, but 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:08.320 the accusations were not conveyed to senior management because of 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:12.000 a culture of not complaining. Their reverence for the talent 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:16.880 created conditions that allowed abuse to flourish. She said during 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:19.600 the process of interviewing people for the reports, they were 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:23.360 all super scared. Still and there's like an atmosphere of 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:26.640 fear to speak forward, and people only talked after they 1:03:26.640 --> 1:03:29.000 were guaranteed that their names would not be published in 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:32.960 the report. Also, people were highly likely not to complain 1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:36.640 because jobs at BBC were highly competitive and a lot 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.919 of employees were freelancers or on short term contracts, which 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:42.480 adds to their vulnerability. So a lot of people just 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:45.440 didn't want to speak up because they're easily replaceable and 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:50.120 they wanted their job. Unrelated to this case, but during 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:55.920 Dame Janet's reporting and digging in, she issued another report 1:03:56.040 --> 1:04:00.880 against a broadcast guy called Stuart Hall and he abused 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:05.160 twenty one female victims and that the members of the 1:04:05.160 --> 1:04:08.880 BBC management had known about the behavior. In twenty thirteen, 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:11.240 he was put in prison at eighty six years old, 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:13.280 but he's already out of prison and the sentence was 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:15.320 like maybe thirty months. It's so weird. But this is 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.840 why I wanted to add this in. This is how 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:20.840 confident people are. He cut the pubic hair of one 1:04:20.880 --> 1:04:23.400 of his victims and put the clippings in a picture 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:27.160 frame on his shelf at BBC premises. 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:31.880 Oh my god, come on, oh my god, right, pubic 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:33.440 care trophies on display. 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:36.800 And this guy's still alive. He's ninety one and out 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:40.160 of jail and he got out. Yeah that's what I mean. 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:42.400 He maybe served thirty months, like he. 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:43.560 Oh my god. 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.920 Yeah yeah, and he's pissed about is that he had 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:50.960 to serve time. But back to Savile, The psychologist Oliver 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:57.360 James wrote that he believed Savile was afflicted with psychopathy, machiavellianism, 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:01.480 and narcissism, and that he must have had a fantastical 1:05:01.520 --> 1:05:04.920 inner life that like that was super grandiose, wild and 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:07.240 desperate and then. 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.480 That's the end of that. But then I was watching 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:10.640 it was a little too much. 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:14.560 But I was watching the ITV documentary and one of 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:18.560 the victims of him goes, he fumble around in my 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:21.600 knickers and I'm like, that's too silly to mean rape, 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.760 you know what I mean, Like, it's just. 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:24.840 Such a fucked up thing. 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:28.600 But fumble around in my knickers is such a silly sentence. 1:05:28.720 --> 1:05:31.120 But she was describing being assaultant. 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:34.600 Yeah, don't let anybody fumble around in your knickers kids. 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:37.280 No, And can the Brits come up with more serious 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:42.200 language like this is too silly? But yeah, so that's 1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.160 why this case is so fucked and it's stuck with 1:05:45.240 --> 1:05:48.680 me for years, and I was not excited to research it, 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:51.880 but like to dive a little deeper because it's like, wait, 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:53.880 so he's a necrophiliac. 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:55.600 It's like sick children. 1:05:56.360 --> 1:06:01.480 It's all over, it's in the BBC, it's everywhere, and 1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:04.800 for decades, and he does look like a criminal. 1:06:05.400 --> 1:06:07.040 God, that is just so heartbreaking. 1:06:07.200 --> 1:06:09.640 It's just so gross when somebody is allowed to just 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.800 walk around with impunity and then just fucking die without 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:16.920 ever being punished or really having a day of grief 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:19.800 in his whole life over his crimes. 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:22.440 Yeah, and they said, we have a friend like this, 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:26.400 Hopefully she's not doing fucked up shit. But like he 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:28.960 liked to keep all his friends separate and all his 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:32.640 friend groups separate. Oh, and he had all of his 1:06:32.720 --> 1:06:35.680 different houses. Those were all like the friends, and he 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:40.280 just kept everyone very far apart, so no one got 1:06:40.280 --> 1:06:43.480 to truly know him, and everyone only knew parts of 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:45.680 him and they couldn't communicate with each other. So he 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:48.600 was very smart about keeping people separate and not getting 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:49.600 too close to people. 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:52.800 Yeah, because when your friends com mingle, they start to 1:06:52.880 --> 1:06:54.000 like compare notes. 1:06:54.720 --> 1:06:56.000 Yeah, you know. 1:06:57.080 --> 1:07:01.480 Wow, well, Lisa, that was terrible, but thank you for 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:02.120 all your work. 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:04.000 Yeah, and it's fucked up because it's like, so, now, 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:06.600 are we supposed to be suspicious of anyone that's charitable? 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:09.640 I know, anyone that wants to volunteer at a hospital. 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:11.880 Are we going to raise our eyebrow and follow them around? 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:15.960 Like where do we draw the line to, Like, are 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:18.360 you a molester? You just a great person that likes 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:19.040 to help people? 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:20.280 You don't know? 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:24.840 Yeah, no, more millionaires than millionaires in the hospital helping 1:07:24.920 --> 1:07:27.000 hands on just give checks. You're not allowed to go 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:28.120 in and be near anybody. 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:29.200 Sorry. 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.240 Let's check out our interview. I'm excited for who we 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:44.080 talk to. All Right, I'm so excited for today's guest 1:07:44.200 --> 1:07:47.200 because she played Lizzie Sanderson on a show that I 1:07:47.320 --> 1:07:50.200 famously am obsessed with called The Grinder on Fox. She's 1:07:50.240 --> 1:07:53.200 also been on Criminal Minds, Gray's Anatomy, but you guys 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:56.480 know her as Brooke Allen from this episode of SBU. 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.520 Check out our little chat ski with Hannah Hayes. 1:08:00.560 --> 1:08:03.240 Hannah, We're so excited you're here. 1:08:03.800 --> 1:08:05.440 It is Hannah, just so you know. 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:07.800 Oh it's Hannah, thank you, But you. 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:09.440 Know, what potato potato? 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.000 You know, no as coming to you as a Kara 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:13.200 who is not a Carra. 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:16.280 I feel your I feel the struggle, and we will 1:08:16.320 --> 1:08:17.680 absolutely become you understand. 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:19.840 Thank you very much. I appreciate it. 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:23.120 And I'm a Lisa that's not Eliza, and you only 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:23.840 have one end. 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:25.400 It's truly our fault. 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:28.120 It's from Hannah Maui. That's that's where it. 1:08:28.200 --> 1:08:30.919 Came from, your little Hawaii baby. 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:33.960 My biological father was born and raised there. 1:08:34.320 --> 1:08:38.639 Oh, I know, I love it. I go almost every birthday. 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:40.640 I didn't get to go this birthday, but it was. 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:42.800 It's my favorite. It's one of my favorite places in 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:43.200 the world. 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:44.840 What island do you go to? 1:08:46.240 --> 1:08:47.960 Mostly a wahu Okay? 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:51.120 But and I've never been to hup to Hanna Maui, 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:54.080 which is just a crime that I haven't been there 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:56.880 yet because I have been to Hawaii like seventeen times 1:08:56.920 --> 1:08:57.280 in my. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:09:00.000 Life, but I've just never made it to the road 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.200 to Hanna. So that's definitely on the bucket list. 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:07.080 And were you always theater kid? Acting? When did you 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:07.720 get into it? 1:09:08.200 --> 1:09:10.880 I didn't come from a family that was very theatrical. 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:14.040 My grandmother is you know, she's amazing. She should have 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:16.960 been kind of been a movie star, so I kind 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:20.080 of got that from her. But it's been fostered from 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:20.880 a very young age. 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:24.040 But I was never like in the right environment for it. 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:28.160 But when I was ten, I kind of entered myself 1:09:28.320 --> 1:09:32.639 in an acting competition out of like they like trained 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:35.639 in Tucson, Arizona, and then there was a big contest 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:37.000 I'm sure, I don't know if you've heard of it, 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:40.720 Like I amta it's like where all the Barbizon kind 1:09:40.720 --> 1:09:41.639 of goes there. 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.639 Yeah, so this is exciting. I did that. 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:46.240 Yeah, I did that, and I like. 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.559 Won a couple things, and my mom was like, I mean, 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:51.320 you know, she had me at forty four. She was like, I. 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:54.439 Guess I'll retire and we can do your thing out here. 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:55.840 And I was like, let's. 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:58.599 Go, girl, And we moved to La when I was ten. 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:01.599 It was supposed to be for six months and it 1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:03.200 ended up being ten years. 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:04.840 So wow. 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:09.360 So the show obviously shoots in New York. Did you 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:11.160 did your mom go with you? She had to be 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:13.200 on set. You were young, right, yeah? 1:10:13.320 --> 1:10:13.679 Yeah? 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:15.439 How old were you were? You like thirteen? 1:10:16.200 --> 1:10:17.440 I think I was fifteen? 1:10:17.520 --> 1:10:18.160 Oh fifteen. 1:10:18.600 --> 1:10:20.720 I'm not positive. It's kind of bulblurs. 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:25.679 But yeah, I taped it in Santa Monica, pait my audition, 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:27.479 and then. 1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:29.920 Yeah, we flew out to New York and it was great. 1:10:30.600 --> 1:10:33.720 Were you a fan of SVU before you did the 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:34.400 show or no? 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.280 I mean, of course, like I would sneak and watch 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:38.720 it at my you know, if my grandma had it 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:39.880 on or someone had gone. 1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:41.559 I love to watch it. 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.799 And I think Marishka is just amazing in every possible 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:50.280 conceivable way, and so I knew her more so than 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:53.320 like you like watch the show, So that's I was 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:54.400 really excited to work with her. 1:10:54.439 --> 1:10:55.679 That was like my number one thing. 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:58.799 But yeah, I saw it every you know, in passing, 1:10:58.840 --> 1:11:02.200 and I think it's amazing. But honestly, those procedurals and 1:11:02.439 --> 1:11:05.280 just they give me nightmares. They give me so many nightmares, 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:06.320 and so I have to. 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:07.400 Be careful, you know. 1:11:07.920 --> 1:11:10.559 Yeah, we definitely have had issues with going to bed 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:13.680 right after doing research on these crimes and having some 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:14.519 wild dreams. 1:11:14.560 --> 1:11:16.559 So I'm sure we feel that. 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:20.280 Do you ever get nightmares listening to our podcast or 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:21.200 my favorite murder? 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:26.200 Well, I have a rule, So my rule is I 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:29.080 can only listen to them in the morning, because you know, 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.240 as we said, before it gets it gets kind of 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:34.840 scary later at night. So I've adopted my grandmother's rule 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:36.120 of like making. 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:37.360 Sure I laugh before I go to bed. 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:40.120 So I'll always watch like Seinfeld or listen to like 1:11:40.160 --> 1:11:42.280 a funny podcast before I go to bed, and save 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:45.200 my murder podcast for it the morning when it's light 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:47.639 outside and I don't have to worry about what's under 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:47.960 my bed. 1:11:49.040 --> 1:11:52.560 So yeah, let's talk about your turn on this episode 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:57.360 Dissonant Voices. You're this like innocent little blondie until you're not. 1:11:57.840 --> 1:12:01.960 You're very diabolical, right, Your character should have focused on acting, 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:05.760 because just quite a few scenes where she's talking about 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:08.720 the hard strings, like we think she's been molested. How 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:10.720 did you get into the headspace to play such a 1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:13.200 like unhinged teenager? 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:15.719 Gosh, that's a really good question. 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:20.519 Or were you an unhinged teenager and it wasn't that 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:21.400 much of a stretch. 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:24.639 No, I was not an unhinged teenager at all. 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:28.639 Like I'm a very strict rule follower, you know, I 1:12:28.720 --> 1:12:31.880 like to think I have a very strong moral compass, 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:36.599 and so that it was far from from my everyday life. 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.519 Thank goodness. 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.120 So I think in scenes like that, in the scene 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:45.120 where I'm sitting on the bed and Marishka's there and 1:12:45.160 --> 1:12:47.799 I'm talking about mister Jackie and how. 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:50.080 He may have touched me and or. 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:52.600 He did, you know, I say he did, I just 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:54.640 kind of put myself in a place where it's like, 1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:56.840 this is the truth. The character has to believe that 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:58.960 this is the truth in order for the scene to play, 1:13:00.080 --> 1:13:02.720 in order for the pivot to be so like to 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:04.200 be so jarring for the audience. 1:13:04.760 --> 1:13:08.920 So Meisner is the main kind of method that I use. 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.280 And so just kind of like having an intention and 1:13:11.439 --> 1:13:14.240 like creating my truth for the scene and then kind 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:15.240 of playing off of. 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:18.160 The other actors in the scene. 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:20.840 So that's that's kind of I created my own little 1:13:20.960 --> 1:13:23.640 reality for each one of those scenes, and it mostly 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:27.000 was like, this is the truth, this is what happened. 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:31.719 This girl is having such like a psychological break from 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:35.760 from not getting on American Diva that she has like 1:13:36.040 --> 1:13:39.839 spun this this truth for herself to kind of help cope. 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:42.040 And she sometimes you know. 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:44.800 If you tell yourself something enough, you kind of believe 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:47.080 it to be true. And so that's kind of the 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:51.080 stance that I took in the in the beginning and 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:54.400 then kind of what it starts to unravel, like, you know, 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:56.519 I dealt with that separately, but that's kind of what 1:13:56.600 --> 1:13:58.480 I did for the majority of the episode. 1:13:59.080 --> 1:14:00.120 And then how was it? 1:14:00.840 --> 1:14:03.479 What was the process for the like final freak out 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:07.759 scene where you're in interrogation, your mom's there and everything 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:09.559 like that is so good? 1:14:09.640 --> 1:14:10.599 It was so exciting. 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:14.480 Thank you. I mean, yeah, it was amazing. 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:19.680 And Kelly Kiddish was so helpful for me in that 1:14:19.760 --> 1:14:23.080 scene because you know what we saw on on you know, 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:26.160 in the final cut, she was she was angry and 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:27.680 she was like trying to pick at me, but she 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:30.840 was pretty composed, right, But when I was on my 1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:35.360 coverage instead of like she really helped me. I'm trying 1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:38.559 to articulate it, but like she was like screaming at me. 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.400 She was screaming at me, saying a whole bunch of 1:14:41.439 --> 1:14:45.880 stuff to help me like understand that like this is 1:14:46.040 --> 1:14:48.439 I'm caught, Like this is over, you know, and this 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:53.679 reality that I've created is just crumbling around me. And 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.240 that that to be in that headspace for that character, 1:14:56.400 --> 1:14:58.280 it was it was really intense, you know, it was 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:01.040 really intense because now. 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:03.400 You know, fifteen year old girl's. 1:15:04.680 --> 1:15:08.519 Worst nightmare should be like in a perfect world, like 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:10.439 you know, not being able to find the right pair 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:11.360 of shoes or whatever. 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:14.920 You know, like, but in this, in this scene. 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.680 This girl has put herself in a position where, you know, 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:19.479 she could go to jail. The rest of her life 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:21.960 is ruined. She is ruined a man's career, She has 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:24.800 ruined de Mand's entire life. And I don't think she 1:15:25.000 --> 1:15:29.760 understands the gravity of her actions until that moment, and 1:15:29.800 --> 1:15:34.960 it's very profound and terrifying, like she, I don't know, 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:37.519 just breaks and so that's kind of what I did. 1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:39.559 And when I was screaming like I didn't do this 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.120 to mister Jackie, like he did this to me, you know, 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:46.800 like this isn't my fault. That's like so crazy. It 1:15:46.840 --> 1:15:49.240 just shows how warped her perception of the world is. 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:52.040 What was it like working with your little brother Jonah, 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:54.479 He was very cute, he was. 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:59.400 So cute, he was fabulous. Oh my gosh him and 1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:02.800 his name escapes me right now. With the other little boy. 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:05.839 Yeah, Cooper is the character. I don't know his real name, Cooper. 1:16:05.960 --> 1:16:07.280 Yeah, so Cooper and Noah. 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:10.600 They were both just so precious and I loved like 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:12.640 when we were on set, we all had to do 1:16:12.680 --> 1:16:15.799 school at that age. You know, it was really nice 1:16:15.880 --> 1:16:19.080 because I don't think they had any idea like the 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:21.280 gravity of what was going on, you know, the characters 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:23.280 that they were playing, which I think is so important, 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:25.680 especially at that age. You know, like they went in 1:16:25.720 --> 1:16:27.680 and they did their stuff, but then afterwards they were like, 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:29.160 do you want to go play hot wheels? You know, 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:32.280 and so it was it was great. They were just 1:16:32.360 --> 1:16:33.520 absolutely precious. 1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:36.040 That's so cute. And are you a singer? Do you 1:16:36.080 --> 1:16:36.680 sing at all? 1:16:37.200 --> 1:16:39.599 You know? I dabble. 1:16:39.960 --> 1:16:43.160 I I'm writing an album right now, and my friend 1:16:43.280 --> 1:16:47.120 is yeah, which is like super random. It was something 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:50.439 that I did kind of like as therapy, Like I 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:53.479 find writing to be very therapeutic. And one of my 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:58.439 friends is a super super talented producer in LA and 1:16:58.479 --> 1:17:00.800 so I was like, hey, here's some that I've just 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:03.040 been playing around with and I can't read music, but 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:05.719 I like to sing this, and he was like, let's 1:17:06.080 --> 1:17:06.719 do an album. 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:09.920 Like we should definitely do that. So I'm actually recording 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:11.160 an album when I go back to LA. 1:17:11.439 --> 1:17:13.559 That's awesome. So you are a singer. 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:16.639 Yeah, I mean. 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:20.160 Actor first and foremost, but I love all things creative, 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:20.920 you know, So. 1:17:21.479 --> 1:17:24.840 Any other stories from set that you think that someone 1:17:24.880 --> 1:17:26.599 like you would want to hear Iced Tea? 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:29.719 What was iced Tea was his viol Oh. 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:33.120 We haven't even talked about how improv calling Iced tea bitch. 1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:36.200 No, I didn't know who you improvised that. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.439 That's amazing I did, and it was quite bold of 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:41.839 me in retrospect, quite bold. 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:47.120 I was just like, in that moment, I see was fabulous. 1:17:47.360 --> 1:17:50.679 So his wife was amazing, their dogs were incredible, nothing 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:52.560 but fabulous things to say. 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:55.200 But it was so funny because. 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:57.000 In that last take, I don't know what came over me, 1:17:57.080 --> 1:18:00.280 but I was just like he just like he's said 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:01.320 something like you must be. 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:02.400 Really proud of your daughter. 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:05.360 Yeah, and then I just did without even I mean 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:07.479 I think I like blacked out, like I just was like, 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:11.559 bitch and then just walked out. It made the final 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:15.240 cut like it and so and I walked on the 1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:16.559 door and he goes, did she just. 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:17.479 Call me a bitch? 1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:20.400 And I was like, I was. 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:22.120 Like, oh my god, I just called them a bit. 1:18:22.720 --> 1:18:27.160 So that was definitely one for a moment for the 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:28.839 for the memory books. 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:31.799 You know, amazing, not that many people get to fucking 1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:33.040 call I see a bitch. 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:34.439 Congratulations. 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:37.720 Well, also, we should have talked about this up top, 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:41.759 but you did send us amazing presents, and I couldn't 1:18:41.800 --> 1:18:42.519 believe it. 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:44.719 First guest to have sent us presents just to heads 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:45.840 up to four future guests. 1:18:46.040 --> 1:18:46.840 I really enjoyed it. 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:50.280 Well, I'd like that he put somewhere you know, my name, 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:51.559 like a plaque or something. 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:56.040 No, I love it. So for yeah, it was. 1:18:56.320 --> 1:19:01.080 We got Alexander Dumas books and they're like classic. I 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:03.000 feel like, so, I haven't held a book like this 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:07.000 since so long. So I'm wondering, are you a vintage 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:08.400 person or you a crime reader? 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:08.760 Or are you? 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:10.559 But like, how did you find this? How do you 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.160 know we would love it? What's your vibe? 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:16.479 Okay, well, I think I thought you would love it 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.480 because obviously I listened to the podcast every week religiously. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:24.920 But I love thrifting. It's one of my favorite things. 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:29.120 Like I most everything I wear is either like a 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:33.519 family heirloom like my rings or whatever, or thrifted like 1:19:33.600 --> 1:19:35.760 my whole outfit whatever, And so I love to go 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:36.360 to Savers. 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:40.040 It's really my happy place. And wherever there's a Savers. 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:41.679 I've heard there was a Savers here in Rhode Island, 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:43.479 Like I cannot wait to go. So I was in 1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:47.439 sabers in twoson Arizona, and I was looking through all 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.760 the old books and I saw those and I was like, 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.280 this looks like it would kind of be in their wheelhouse. 1:19:52.880 --> 1:19:55.360 And so I brought them home. 1:19:55.320 --> 1:20:00.519 Dusted a moth, used to a little lisole, and and then. 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:03.280 I wrapped them with I got. 1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:06.719 I also got this really cool like Life magazine coffee 1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:07.520 table book. 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:09.679 There, and I think I used some of the pictures 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:09.920 from that. 1:20:10.040 --> 1:20:12.400 Yeah, like we were like we realized later we were 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:15.680 like the wrapping is on theme too, like it was 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:17.559 amazing tension to detail. 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:18.640 Thank you. 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:21.240 Yeah, I just wrapped them up in that and I 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:23.720 just I, you know, I like to show my appreciation 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:27.200 and anyway, like I just anyway I can so. 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:34.480 And then Kara loves the grinder. I love the grinder. Grider. Yeah, 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:35.840 I love the grinder too. 1:20:36.400 --> 1:20:40.280 Honestly, I've talked about it more than once on this podcast, 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:45.160 but I've definitely said, like, what a crime that people 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:48.200 did not discover that show, like truly, like it was 1:20:48.280 --> 1:20:50.560 so so funny. I loved it so much. When I 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:54.600 got canceled, I was devastated. But how was that experience? 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:59.519 It was absolutely like unreal. I mean it was unreal. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.839 I met some of my best friends in Los Angeles, 1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:05.720 like Connor who played my little brother, Like he and 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:07.760 I are still close. I was literally at his house 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:10.160 the last day I was in LA And his older 1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:12.000 sister is like a close friend of mine. That whole 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:15.559 family's amazing. So it just gave me so many gifts, 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:17.640 you know, Like Johnny Lowe and I still talk. I 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:21.120 think he's incredible. And just to get a little personal 1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:23.600 for a minute, like I just got sober two and 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:26.559 a half months ago, just because you know, it just wasn't. 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:27.360 Serving me anymore. 1:21:28.000 --> 1:21:30.720 And and so he's sober and like taught, Like you know, 1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:32.920 he's public about that, so I wouldn't say anything if 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:35.640 it wasn't public. But like you know, I just I 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:39.800 have such a great support group from that from that show, 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:42.880 like Mary Elizabeth who played My Mama, Like we're still intact. 1:21:42.960 --> 1:21:46.000 I'm gonna I just sent with the same day I 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:49.839 sent you guys your present. I sent her like a present, 1:21:49.840 --> 1:21:51.479 and I sent her the little Son to present and 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:54.559 and and we're gonna get coffee when I come back. 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:59.160 Like there's just so many like just amazing, hardworking people 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:02.680 that made that show possible. And I'm just feel like 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:06.320 super fortunate honestly, Like I I to be on that 1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:09.439 show at the age that I was gave me a 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.360 level of self confidence that like I was so like 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:13.120 tiny and. 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:15.480 Had no idea what was going on, and like so insecure. 1:22:15.560 --> 1:22:17.960 And like the women on that show, like Maya Rudolph 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:22.320 and Mary Elizabeth and Natalie Morales, like they really were 1:22:22.400 --> 1:22:23.400 so empowering. 1:22:23.560 --> 1:22:25.839 They were so empowering. 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:28.280 And kind of like helped me see that like I 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:30.639 belonged there, you know, like I deserved to be there. 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:34.160 I worked hard to be there. And Natalie Morales, I 1:22:34.320 --> 1:22:36.280 was just I just did her movie plan. 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:38.680 B Oh amazing. Did you direct that? 1:22:39.800 --> 1:22:40.519 She directed it? 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:40.960 Yeah? 1:22:41.040 --> 1:22:44.880 Cool. So for me, Grinder was kind of like the 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:49.240 beginning really the beginning of like all of my closest 1:22:49.240 --> 1:22:55.439 friendships in La. 1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:55.559 Hannah was incredible. 1:22:56.680 --> 1:23:00.559 Yeah, we always we're enjoying talking to these young actors 1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:03.439 who are like good people. It's giving me faith in 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:03.960 the future. 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:07.519 Yeah, and I like, we edited this out from the interview, 1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:09.519 but she was like in a bed and that was 1:23:09.600 --> 1:23:11.920 kind of exciting. Maybe she didn't want people to know, 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:14.439 but it felt loungey, it felt cool. She was on 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:17.840 vacation where Taylor Swift has a home. It just was 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.519 a high class interview all around. And I want to 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:21.519 watch The Grinder now. 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:24.760 Yes, love the Grinder so much, and that she improvised 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:26.400 the bitch line. Are you fucking kidding me? 1:23:26.920 --> 1:23:30.320 Yes, this is the kind of behind the scenes gold 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:32.080 that we're bringing to you on this podcast. 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:34.360 Oh my god, I forgot to mention this up top, 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:38.320 but I have huge news. I caught up and I 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:40.800 finished this last season of SVU. 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:45.439 I saw the Careesi rollins kiss. Oh my god. 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:49.439 I saw the psychopath boy come back and kill his family. 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:51.440 So I thought people would. 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:55.719 What was your thoughts on the kiss? Anti climactic honestly, 1:23:55.880 --> 1:23:56.519 but happy. 1:23:56.600 --> 1:23:57.040 I hope it. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.280 I hope I hope it continued. I hope I hope 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:01.519 he gets what he wants. I hope she's able to 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:04.200 receive the love she deserves and he's able to have 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:05.719 the family that he's always wanted. 1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:07.760 Yeah, I wonder if, like in the new season, they're 1:24:07.760 --> 1:24:11.000 going to like disclose to Olivia or like keep it secret, 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:11.879 or they all. 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:13.639 Watch them kiss. They all watched it kiss. 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:19.080 You think Benson, one of the greatest detectives of our time, at. 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:21.040 Our back turn the whole time while they were making. 1:24:20.800 --> 1:24:24.559 Out, doesn't know that there's chemistry when Careese's like, only 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:30.679 rollins is good. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely not the thing. 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:34.600 I also have one other big set of news, but 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:35.400 I forgot. 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:39.680 So what did we Let's do our post mortem on 1:24:39.720 --> 1:24:43.519 this episode. What did we learn? What I mean, I 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:47.120 guess we've learned people in power do abuse their power 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:47.519 all the time. 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:47.800 A s F. 1:24:47.840 --> 1:24:50.160 You decided to flip this episode to the point like 1:24:50.200 --> 1:24:52.040 where this is a false activisation, but. 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:55.479 So flip because that's what's so tough is. 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:59.080 Black men are falsely accused all the time, and there's 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:03.160 like you, centuries of history. 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:04.120 I don't know what to say. 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:07.160 Yeah, there, yes, there are centuries I mean Emmett till 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:11.400 there's centuries of racism of white women accusing black men 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:13.800 of doing things that they did not do. And that's 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:17.320 essentially what happened here. I mean, it was white children, 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:19.200 but they were it was all being masterminded by a 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:20.799 white woman, a white teen. 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:23.559 And also Carrie, you better watch what you do around Rosy. 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:27.120 So she's not out there false accusing black powerful man. 1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:31.160 I mean, Rosie would never because Rosie's going to be 1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:33.759 on American Diva and she's going to win American Diva 1:25:33.840 --> 1:25:36.840 because I am her tiger mom. No, just kidding, Are 1:25:36.840 --> 1:25:39.760 you kidding? Rosie's playing rugby and you know it. I 1:25:39.840 --> 1:25:42.400 know she's so I can't even tell if she can sing. 1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:44.200 She likes to sing, but I can't tell if she 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:46.200 can carry a Tuneya, I don't know how soon they 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:46.519 do that? 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:47.760 Do you really want her to? Yeah? 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:50.200 I think two is too young to decide if they're 1:25:50.200 --> 1:25:52.559 going to be singers for the rest of their lives. 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:55.040 Well, the woman on this episode was like, I saw 1:25:55.080 --> 1:25:58.400 a kid on the internet who was three singing opera. 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:03.559 Yeah, that's you know one kid. Yeah that's not your mine. Yeah, 1:26:03.680 --> 1:26:07.080 that's not mine, that's not yeah, I can't who knows. 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:08.759 Maybe Rosie will be an opera singer. 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:09.080 I don't. 1:26:09.280 --> 1:26:13.439 Yeah, bust out an aria here and there. I guess 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:17.160 I learned that. Like if you're having a horrible, drag 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:20.559 out divorce with your husband, like just keep an eye 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:22.760 on your kids because they're following a lot of your 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:23.960 diabolical tactics. 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:26.120 Like I remember the next thing I was going to 1:26:26.200 --> 1:26:27.519 say that was in my heart and mind. 1:26:28.160 --> 1:26:32.120 Okay, remember the iced tea titty sucking comment from last week? 1:26:32.560 --> 1:26:36.120 Wait what Ice teammate a social media posts being like, oh, 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:38.960 I said my daughter we both like to suck on 1:26:39.040 --> 1:26:42.800 Coco's titties. And everyone was like Ice, could you just 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:45.920 what is happening? And then he wrote whatever I guess 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:47.760 you know about my family. I'm a tit guy. 1:26:48.280 --> 1:26:52.000 It's like and like, yeah, babe, they like they posted 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:54.679 at they posted a like I'm I love We obviously 1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:58.560 love Chanelle's Instagram. We stand her, but it was a 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:01.600 little weird to have, like to have her speaking at 1:27:01.800 --> 1:27:04.519 Like the captions are like in her voice, Like I 1:27:04.560 --> 1:27:06.759 have an Instagram for Rosie and I never write anything 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:09.920 in her voice. I just write like Saturday fun or 1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:12.519 like very generic stuff because like I never assume that 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:15.360 she's saying something, And like this whole caption is like, yeah, 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:17.320 I breastfeed for my mom and I'm five. It's like 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:20.639 she might not like that when she's fifteen. Just heads up, 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:24.559 like that is amazing. Also shout out to the drinks. 1:27:24.600 --> 1:27:25.639 They just had a baby. 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:29.000 Okay, anyways, Episode dissonant voices. 1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:30.719 What did we learn? 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:35.920 I guess if you're gonna use a vibrator illegally and 1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:39.200 commit crimes, don't hide it with the rest of the toys. 1:27:39.360 --> 1:27:42.799 I don't you know what I mean, hide your crimes 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:44.320 or to the police. 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:49.559 If there's an evidence thing that's so blatant, it's fake, 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:51.240 it's set. 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:52.639 Yeah, it's a setup. 1:27:52.680 --> 1:27:55.479 If there's gone girl evidence that's so over the top, 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:59.960 you gotta you gotta suspect. Okay, Like if someone's abusing 1:28:00.160 --> 1:28:02.040 kids and has gotten away with it, they're not leaving 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:03.240 the vibrator. 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:06.200 With the maraccas. Okay, Yeah, I. 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:08.439 Will say something I learned this episode was like a 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:11.760 little bit more respect. I learned myself a little bit 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:14.240 more respect for Rollins. I kind of feel like there's 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:17.000 some episodes that are Rollins heavy that are turning me 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:19.600 around on Rollins a little bit. She knew from the 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:21.920 beginning that this didn't pass the smell test. She knew 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:23.920 at the beginning that this was like seemed a little 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:24.439 bit weird. 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.320 I never Oh my god, men's health, Carara, where have 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:28.920 you been. 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.599 Like, God, Liza, this is the most unhinged post mortem 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:33.439 we have ever done. 1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:35.559 But I'm loving. Well, this is what happens when we're 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:36.599 not three blocks away. 1:28:36.800 --> 1:28:41.120 I know this is Yes, the Men's Health, Maloney's PR team. 1:28:41.320 --> 1:28:43.400 Give them all the awards. 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:45.920 I mean they are the summer of Maloney is just 1:28:46.120 --> 1:28:49.400 raging on, like just when you think it's over. Oh, 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.680 his co star who I love this girl his co 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:56.639 star on OC named Ainsley Seeger I think is her name. 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:59.599 She's amazing. She I think she listened to our podcast. 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:03.920 She follows she got the earrings that like the tiny 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:07.000 made ear rings that are of Maloney and yes, order Peam, 1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:08.120 you got them? 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:10.240 You got them? Ahlet re order them. They're on the way, 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:11.559 tiny maid. We're coming. 1:29:11.640 --> 1:29:13.920 Then, thanks for all the listeners tagging us in them, 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:15.479 because I will have those earrings soon. 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:15.920 Yeah. 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:20.080 But she wore them two set and took like video 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:22.160 to see how long it was until he noticed and 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:24.280 then he like, I think it took like fifteen minutes 1:29:24.360 --> 1:29:26.000 or something for him to notice that she was wearing 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:26.920 him as ear rings. 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:28.440 And how did he react? 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:31.280 They like took Q photos together. She was like detailing 1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:33.200 the whole thing on her Twitter. It was really funny. 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:36.519 And then like just like so, just as like the 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:40.280 Mabelene picture is starting to fade, that starts happening. Then 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.360 just as that's fading, Men's Health comes out. It's like this, man, 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:45.800 we're never gonna get when it's never gonna be over. 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:48.400 I love the Men's Health one. 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:54.320 I felt like the interview one was very gay gay oriented, like, hey, 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:56.920 I'm your daddy, you know. Yeah, I'm wearing pink, I'm 1:29:56.920 --> 1:30:00.600 eating pizza, a little crop top, Fuck me, daddy. I 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:03.559 feel Men's Health is very heteronormative sexual. 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:05.240 I'm sure the gays are into it. 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.559 And it's also very like, look how good you can 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:10.439 look at sixty. I think it's like it's like all 1:30:10.479 --> 1:30:12.840 about his age and how he looks so fucking good 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:13.639 for his age. 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:18.599 Yeah, the split I really was into that. I really 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:21.160 really liked it. I was actually at the comedy store 1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:23.680 last week with Seratia and a few people and they 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:25.800 hadn't seen it, but they like SVU, so I brought 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:28.280 it up and then I liked it in front of 1:30:28.320 --> 1:30:29.920 them and they all thought it was so funny and 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:32.400 started laughing at me because they're like, wow, you're just 1:30:32.720 --> 1:30:34.800 they thought it was vulnerable to like something in front 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:36.479 of an audience, like in front of them, And I 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:37.320 was like, I don't care. 1:30:38.560 --> 1:30:40.640 I like it while you're looking or not looking. 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:43.080 Like all their likes are surreptitious, like in bed, like 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:43.719 in the dark. 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.080 Yeah, they were like they started laughing at me for 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:50.640 like liking it. I was like, I like it. I 1:30:50.680 --> 1:30:52.559 don't know what to say, but yeah, that was like 1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:53.880 sexy as hell. 1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:54.799 Yeah. 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.320 No, that man knows how to take a photograph and 1:30:57.479 --> 1:31:00.240 do a split and lift weights. I mean he does 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:01.599 a lot of things really well. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:03.439 And you're right, six he looks hotter. 1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:06.880 I think he looks hotter and more built now than before, 1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:07.320 you know. 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:09.559 Yeah, and I think this is like new season. 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:14.080 He's going into oc with like a full like not beer, 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:15.320 but like full go tea. 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:17.200 It's like a fold. It's not like a little go t. 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:18.040 It's a full go tea. 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:18.439 Yeah. 1:31:19.520 --> 1:31:23.800 Yeah, go go go oh nothing go white lotus. Oh. 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:27.040 And I was gonna say the Woodstock Documentary, we were 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:30.400 not allowed to each the part for this long, like 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:33.080 we just read just circled around and are doing another 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:34.000 intro right now. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:39.440 We'll just in a voice we'll talk about White Lotus 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:42.240 next week because we have seen the finale. 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:43.760 And then we can't really get into it perfect. We 1:31:43.800 --> 1:31:44.439 won't doil. 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:48.000 But if you haven't seen White Lotus, yeah, there is 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:51.360 a little true crime element hidden, I would say, yeah, 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:56.960 but scathing, dark satire genius show. 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:57.639 It's so good. 1:31:57.840 --> 1:32:00.679 It's so fucking good. Like the whole vibe, the acting 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:04.120 is so good. Uh, you kind of hate everybody on it, 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:05.960 but you love it. I don't know, I love it. 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:12.200 It's so good. Let's segue into Let's sister Peglan. Just 1:32:12.240 --> 1:32:14.840 think of one more thing we learned from this episode. 1:32:15.360 --> 1:32:17.200 I guess I didn't realize you have to take voice 1:32:17.240 --> 1:32:21.200 lessons that much. Five voice lessons, you know. I He's like, 1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:23.439 if you really want to, I know. 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:25.680 It's it's weird because it's like I think we all 1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:27.720 watched Kelly Clarkson win and she was just like a 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:29.760 Texast girl with a great voice, and now she's like 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:32.000 a huge recording artist, but she just like wandered on 1:32:32.120 --> 1:32:34.679 to you know, American idol. I think that it used 1:32:34.680 --> 1:32:37.720 to be probably more anybody could walk off on the 1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:40.360 street with like a like a great talent, but now 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:42.840 it's like, if you're like a teenager and you want 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:44.160 to like make it and you want to get on one. 1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.080 Of these shows, Yeah, you get a vocal coach and 1:32:46.120 --> 1:32:46.880 you fucking. 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:51.240 Like Edwards dancers are going to be in America's got talent. 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:54.080 They have been before, I believe, and I know they're 1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.080 going to be again. And I watched her full show 1:32:56.160 --> 1:32:56.800 Dancing Queen. 1:32:57.880 --> 1:32:58.479 I love it. 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:02.760 I've been rewatchingdrag Race NonStop and it is just so 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:05.960 soothing and so powerful and so good, so good. 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:08.720 I gotta get going on another season. I finished both 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.360 seasons of UK. I've just finished Australia before I left 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:15.439 on this trip. Anyway, we got to end. Now, this 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:17.719 is it. Now we're fully into what we're watching again, 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:19.439 like we can't stop talking about it. 1:33:19.520 --> 1:33:23.040 I just gasped because I thought maybe it's Thursday and 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:24.679 there would be more drag Race. 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:27.519 But okay, oh I'm not caught up on last week's 1:33:27.520 --> 1:33:29.400 All Stars, by the way, So no spoilers. 1:33:29.400 --> 1:33:32.680 I have no idea who got sent home. No spoilers. 1:33:32.880 --> 1:33:36.839 Listen dissonant voices, do your voice listens. Don't false accuse 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.000 black man. You can false accuse a white man here 1:33:39.000 --> 1:33:40.960 and there, just to keep life interesting. 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:49.320 Yeah, great, a great episode. Get vaccinated. But also, I 1:33:49.320 --> 1:33:51.760 mean what we learned from like Jimmy Savile and that 1:33:51.800 --> 1:33:55.400 whole crime was that like don't I don't know, Like 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.679 I hope people can come forward even though like there's 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:02.240 horrible like listen to power and celebrity. 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:08.080 Yeah, everyone is a molester. Everyone, Everyone is a sexual 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:11.719 abuser unless proven otherwise. That's how we have to live life. 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:14.599 Unless it's Billy Porter, No, nothing makes sense. You're right, 1:34:14.680 --> 1:34:21.160 this is a very unhinged episode. But yeah, I was 1:34:21.240 --> 1:34:25.040 so focused on the episode and everything else we've been watching, 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:28.760 I forgot that there's an actual crime spanning decades. 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:30.599 Yeah, and we. 1:34:30.680 --> 1:34:33.439 All if you have kids, if you're a teacher, anything 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:36.639 like you, we have to be more conscious of how 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.879 we talk about Like when the Kavanaugh stuff was happening, 1:34:40.240 --> 1:34:43.120 I remember being so distraught because I was like, there 1:34:43.200 --> 1:34:45.360 are kids that are being abused right now that are 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:49.040 listening to their parents talk shit about doctor Blassie Ford. 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:51.880 And you know how Kavanaugh's. 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:54.599 Great, and like these kids, like kids see what's happening, 1:34:56.240 --> 1:34:58.360 and you are making it tougher for them to come. 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:01.160 I don't think our listeners, but it's just like fucking 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:04.639 know how you like act better when someone comes forward 1:35:04.760 --> 1:35:09.519 with some information like that and stop fucking not coming 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:14.520 forward for jobs or for newspaper articles or chairs like fucking. 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:17.880 We got to stop protecting celebrities. And no one gets 1:35:17.880 --> 1:35:19.479 a key to a hospital. How about that? 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.759 You, Yeah, how much you donate, you don't get open 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:23.920 access to a psychiatric hospital. 1:35:23.520 --> 1:35:26.719 In your own room to be your little molesting hotel room. 1:35:27.280 --> 1:35:28.880 And you know what, sometimes you go to judge a 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:31.200 book by its cover. Okay, if you look like Jimmy Savill, 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:33.679 maybe I don't get why people just kept it kept 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:36.680 it moving. It's a scary person. 1:35:37.040 --> 1:35:37.639 So true. 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:41.960 All right, let's let's really truly move on to what 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:42.880 would sister peg do. 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:46.160 I was just gonna say, Mike White, who wrote White 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:48.800 Lotus wrote Orange County, one of my favorite movies in 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:52.160 Skyler Fisk, who's from Taboo SVU is in it. 1:35:52.240 --> 1:35:53.880 So if you need something to do. 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:58.000 Ties right back to the White Lotus conversation from minutes earlier. 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:01.679 Okay, what was its third Times of Charm? 1:36:03.000 --> 1:36:05.240 This is our weekly segment where we talk to you 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:08.320 guys about a organization. We give you a book or 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:10.400 an article or something that can kind of help you 1:36:11.520 --> 1:36:13.840 flesh out the topic that we touched on in this 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:18.679 week's episode. We've mentioned this organization before, but I think 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.840 they're worth mentioning again. We're going to highlight RAIN, which 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:25.439 is the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network. It's the 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:30.160 nation's largest anti sexual violence organization. They have a national 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:32.680 sexual Assault hotline which is eight hundred and sixty five 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:36.040 six HOPE, in partnership with more than one thousand local 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:40.519 sexual assault service providers across the country. They do tons 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:43.320 of different programs to prevent sexual violence, help survivors, and 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.280 ensure that perpetrators are brought to justice. So we always 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:49.439 like to support RAIN. 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