1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: should Know, part of our ongoing marine disaster suite. I guess. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad we took a break. It's good to 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: be back. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: It's very sad, I mean, just sort of devastating topic today, 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: as they usually are. This one's especially sad. I think 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: it's more recent and involved kids. But yeah, we were 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: on a run there for a while and we took 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: a break, and now we're back with more maritime disaster Yeah. 13 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: In the Orang Madon short stuff, You're like, this is 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: it for a while? Man? 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I think I did. I totally Can we stop with these? 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? So yeah, the Sewell disasters what we're talking about. 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: Sewell was the name of a faery that went between 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: the southern tip of South Korea and Jaju, kind of 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: a tropical island resort, a resort island off of Korea, 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: and in twenty fourteen, on April sixteenth, actually we're releasing 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: this on the twelfth anniversary. With this tragedy, three hundred 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: and four people died, including two hundred and fifty eleventh 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: grade high school students who were on a class field trip. 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, eleven of their teachers. Very sadly, one of the 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: teachers who survived took his life two days after this 26 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: disaster with you know, a case of sort of survivor's guilt. Yeah, 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and it was very the one that really the thing 28 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: that really burns me up about this one is, you know, 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't an iceberg or a bad storm. It was 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: it was all sort of human caused and even once 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: this thing started started listing and tilting to the side, 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: there was still plenty of time to rescue everyone, and 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: Right. It's like Oprah should walk up and be like 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: you're to blame, You're to blame, and you're to blame. 36 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: Like everyone was to blame except for the people who died. Essentially, 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: there's like it was just totally senseless. There was no 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: need for it, Like it could have been totally avoided. 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: And this had such an enormous impact on South Korean society. 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: They call it four sixteen because it happened on April sixteenth, 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: much the same way we call September eleventh. Nine to 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: eleven in the United States, And there was a public 43 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: survey that was done I think by PW that said, like, 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: what are the most important historical events in the history 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: of Korea? And the Sewel disaster was a close second 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: behind the Korean War. That's how important and how huge 47 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: of a sweeping impact this had on the entire society. 48 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: You know what, Emily's dad calls nine to eleven? 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: What nine? For real? 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 51 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: Is he being facetious? 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: No, that's just how That's how Rick rolls. He's got 53 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: his own language. 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Does he. If so, if he breaks his legs as 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: he shout called nine to eleven. 56 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Uh, all right, that's probably the last 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: joke I'll tell I want to go ahead and get 58 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: one in there. 59 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Uh so, let's let's start the story here. Don Juan 61 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: High School is that's d A N W O N 62 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: not Don Juan like Don Juan DeMarco. It is a 63 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: public school. It's about an hour and a half outside 64 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: of Seoul. It's in a city called Ensan. And this is, 65 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: like you mentioned, a class trip. This is a sort 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: of an annual tradition where the eleventh graders go on 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: this trip to this gorgeous island which is also a 68 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: UNESCO Heritage Site, and I think we're gonna be doing 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: an episode on that pretty soon, right unscom Yep. 70 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: For sure. 71 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: And the whole idea is that they go before they 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: have to sort of buckle down and get ready for 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: their version of their the SAT, the c SAT, which 74 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: is what they have in Korea. So they go for 75 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: this great trip every year, sort of a last hurrah 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: before they start their senior year, and that's what they 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: set off for on the night of April fifteenth, twenty fourteen. 78 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, we need to do at least the short 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: stuff on the sea set. They call it the sun Jung, 80 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 2: which is it makes the SAT look like a walk 81 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: in the park. 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: Really, it's insane. I saw one question from it. It was like, 84 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who could answer this question. Oh wow, okay, yeah, 85 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: it'll be an interesting one. So they embarked for Jeju 86 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: from Incheon, like I was saying, and it was gonna 87 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: be an overnight journey. I think it's a thirteen hour 88 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: faery trip to Jaju. And there was a really heavy fog, 89 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: so much so that the teachers on the trip considered 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: like just canceling it. It was just it just seemed 91 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: that dangerous. And finally everyone read, including the crew of 92 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: the Seul and the teachers, that let's just go ahead. 93 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: Two and a half hours later, they finally set sail, 94 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,799 Speaker 2: but they were the only commercial vessel to leave port 95 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: that night because that fog was so bad. 96 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and as you'll see, that was I guess we'll 97 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: go ahead list that as number one of ways that 98 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 1: this disaster could have been averted. A these kids not 99 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: going at all, but B they you know, they're trying 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to go faster because they got a later start, and 101 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: that seems like it affected the disaster. 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. The Suwal had also been around for 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: twenty years. It had served twenty years as a Japanese 104 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: ferry off Okinawa called the Namanui, which is a Shinto 105 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: shrine in Okinawa that looks over the sea and gives 106 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: blessings for safe trips to the ships going in and 107 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: out of port. And the ferry which was the Namanui, 108 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: was purchased and re christened the Sewal by chonghai Jin Marine, 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: which is the company that owned the ferry, and two 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: things to increase profits they expanded passenger decks to add 111 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: basically two more passenger decks, They expanded the cargo area, 112 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: and they essentially made this ship ripe for overloading. Yeah, 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two, the Korean government had recently 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: extended the life of ferry ships from twenty years to thirty. 115 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: The reason it got retired in Okinawa is because it's 116 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: just sensible to only let them go for twenty years. 117 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: In Korea South Korea, you could run them for thirty years, 118 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 2: which is why chung Hijin Marine bought that ship and 119 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: put it into service. 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet they got a pretty good deal on 121 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: it at that age, you know. 122 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure the o Canawans were like you sure 123 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: you want this, and they were like yeah. 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: So there were four hundred and seventy six total passengers 125 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: on board, but there was also like you said, it 126 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: was ripe for overloading, and that's what they did. They 127 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: had more than twenty one hundred tons of rate on board. 128 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: There were construction materials, There were cars and trucks. When 129 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: you see you know, video from sort of inside this 130 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: thing while it was pitching and tilting, you see like 131 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: huge work trucks like being slammed against the wall and 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: into other cars and things like that. In the end, 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: it was about a thousand tons over what its maximum 134 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: capacity was supposed to be, so. 135 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: Like about almost fifty percent over Yeah, maximum capacity. That's insane, 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: and we'll explain how they got away with that eventually. So, 137 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: like you said, they were trying to make up for 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 2: lost time, so they sailed faster than they normally would 139 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: have to make it to Jaju on their schedule time. 140 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: Remember they left two and a half hours late. The 141 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: third mate was on the bridge in charge earlier that morning. Yeah, 142 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: it's not entirely inappropriate. This was like open sea. It 143 00:07:55,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: should have been basically in nothing stretch. But the point 144 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: is that the captain, the first make, and the second 145 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: mate were not on the bridge. The third mate was 146 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: in charge, and the third mate ordered the quartermaster at 147 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: about eight forty five am to make a sudden turn. 148 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: I don't remember if it's port or starboard. And when 149 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: the ship made the turn, it turned really hard and 150 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: there was a horrible crashing sign and all of a 151 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: sudden it tilted. It listed in the water and I 152 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: think something like twenty degrees to start. 153 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's a bad start. It did not 154 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: right itself, because what had happened was, you know, a 155 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff down there wasn't secured like it 156 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: should have been. And when I said, you know, trucks 157 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: went slamming against the walls and into other cars, that's 158 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: what happened. All this heavy stuff shifted in such a 159 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: way that it would not shift. 160 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Back right exactly. So not only was it not going 161 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: to write itself, it was going to just keep listing 162 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: and listing and listening. And that's exactly what happened. There 163 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: is a short documentary I thought it was produced by 164 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: Laura Poetrous, which that's quality stuff. She did the essentially 165 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: the film for the Snowden Files and Citizen for the documentary. Anyway. 166 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: You can find it on YouTube. I think New Yorker 167 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: bought it. It's called In the Absence, and it is 168 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: this almost in real time, like twenty plus minute documentary 169 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: that shows the ship sinking and then against it puts 170 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: the like the conversations between all the people who are 171 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: supposed to be rescuing this and doing something about this, 172 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: and just puts on full display man the incompetence, the indifference, 173 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: the arrogance, the just the negligence, all of the enses, 174 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 2: all the bad ences, like are just on full display. 175 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: It's so shocking to hear this and see it and 176 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: know what happened and know who's inside there, and then 177 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: to hear what they actually did or didn't do to 178 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: to rescue them. 179 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, like like tied to the minute. So you'll see, 180 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, toward the end of this documentary, it's a 181 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: hard watch, but it's well well worth checking out. You'll 182 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: see like ninety five percent of this boat is underwater 183 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: and sunk with all these people on board, and you'll 184 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: hear in real time, like at that exact moment in time, 185 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, the coastguard saying like you think we can 186 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: land a helicopter on this thing now and try and 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: get some of these people out, and other people that 188 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: are there, like I think, I don't think we can 189 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: land a helicopter on it anymore, And it's like it's 190 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: gone basically at that point. It's just it's infuriating to watch, 191 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: you know. 192 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, even after that, the guy who's like, oh, that's 193 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: a shame that we can't land the helicopter that would 194 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: look really good. 195 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 196 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: It's just disgusting. Right, So the kids on board they 197 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: all had smartphones twenty fourteen in South Korea. Every single 198 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: one of them had a smartphone, and there are a 199 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: lot of viving documents and texts from the kids on board. Yeah, 200 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: so we know a lot of what happened in the 201 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: first Like I think all the way up for like 202 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: almost an hour and a half after this ship listed 203 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: of what was going on, and at first the kids 204 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: were fairly calm. Twenty degree list is substantial, but it's 205 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: not panic time necessarily for everybody. It feels like people 206 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: are still in charge. Things are okay, but there's conversations 207 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: between the kids that are like, is this one of 208 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: those things where the only people who survive are the 209 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 2: ones who don't follow orders, you know, Like yeah, and 210 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: they're joking about how the ship is sinking and all that, 211 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: and little did they know that within an hour they 212 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: would all be dead, essentially from the ship actually sinking 213 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: and from just the terrible guidance or lack of guidance 214 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: from the people who were in charge. 215 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the guidance was stay where you are, put 216 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: on your life best and stay in your cabin. There 217 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: was silence for a little while and then when you know, 218 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: they came over the loudspeaker. They repeatedly, I think seven 219 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: different times as this thing was sinking, they were like, 220 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: stay in your cabins, stay in your cabins, and remain calm. 221 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: Parents were calling or students were calling their parents from 222 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: their phones. There was that brutal interview with a one 223 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: parent that it was a couple, but the mom was 224 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: like her one regret was she didn't say, like, stop 225 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: following their instructions, get out while you can. But as 226 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: you know, I just hated that because as a parent, 227 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: you aren't there. You don't know what's exactly happening, although 228 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: it was played out in real time on the news, 229 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: So you think that the people that are supposed to 230 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: be doing the right thing or doing the right thing. 231 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: So you want to tell your kid like, hey, listen 232 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: to what they're telling you, and not like, hey, don't 233 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: listen to what they're saying. Get out of there. 234 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, go jump off the side of the ship. Yeah 235 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, Like that's you can totally understand where 236 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: she's coming from. But I can also understand that that's 237 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: her greatest regret. 238 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just hated it for her or to, 239 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, all these years later to still feel that way, 240 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: you know. 241 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. So eight fifty five am, ten minutes after the 242 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: ship turned and started to list, the Sewall crew makes 243 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: their first distress call. Three minutes earlier. The very first 244 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: distress call from the Sewall was made by one of 245 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: the students. Yeah, they called one one nine, which is 246 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: nine one one in Korea, and they said like, hey, 247 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: I'm on a sinking ship, Please send some help. And 248 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: at first you could tell the one one nine operators 249 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: like wait, what are you saying? Yeah, yeah, because they 250 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: were essentially like, so, wait, you're on a ship that 251 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: you're seeing a ship that's sinking, And the guys like, no, 252 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: I'm on a sinking chip like please send help. This 253 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: was three minutes before the crew ever did anything, like 254 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: like did anything about this. 255 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they were ahead by three minutes. Over the 256 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: next half hour, there were a lot of calls from 257 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: the crew to all kinds of people. Coast Guard support 258 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: obviously they called. The crew was like, hey, we're trapped 259 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: on the bridge. We don't know what's going on with 260 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: the passengers. The ship is definitely sinking, So there was 261 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: no ambiguity about what was going on. And they said 262 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: to the coast Guard, like should we evacuate and they said, hey, 263 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: it's a captain's decision. That's why you have a captain 264 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: on board, basically, And that was over the next half 265 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: hour from those initial calls. In the middle of this, 266 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: at nine fourteen, they made the crew made distress calls 267 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: to local fishing boats like hey, anybody that's near us, 268 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: we need help right now, and a lot of them 269 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: showed up. 270 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there were some that had already showed 271 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: up even before the call. And half of the people 272 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: who were rescued, who survived the sinking of the Siu 273 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: All Ferry were rescued by civilian fishing boats. Yes, in 274 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: ten minutes. Ten minutes spanned half of the survivors were rescued. 275 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: This was twenty thirty I saw as much as forty minutes, 276 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: although I don't think that's right. Before the coast Guard 277 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: even showed up. These fishing boats were there rescuing people. 278 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: The first coast Guard boat, and I think the only 279 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: coast Guard boat bear that in mind, showed up at 280 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: nine thirty five. So this is fifty minutes after the 281 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: first the turn, and what forty minutes after the call 282 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: for help. The coast guard finally shows up. The ship 283 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: is at sixty degrees. Now, this is that's nuts. You're 284 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: like standing on the wall essentially, and the coast guard 285 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: did what the coast guard is supposed to do. The 286 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: crew did what they were supposed to do. The coast 287 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: guard evacuated the crew from the bridge and got away 288 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: from the ship. The crew left the ship, including the 289 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: captain who there's a very clear image of him being 290 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: assisted off of the bridge and onto the coastguard boat, 291 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: who had not very importantly given the order to evacuate 292 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: the ship. He abandoned ship and did not explain to 293 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: the passengers that they needed to get off of the ship. 294 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the worst thing a boat captain can do. 295 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: They're supposed to be the last person off, and this 296 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: guy was one of the first people off in his underwear. 297 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: This you know, you said the crew all got off, 298 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't everybody. I think there were fourteen crew members 299 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: that were rescued at nine to forty seven am. A 300 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: few crew members, to their credit, went down with the 301 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: ship and were doing everything they could, so they were 302 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, there were some heroic actions going on a 303 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: helicopter shows up around this time starts to rescue passengers, 304 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: but again a helicopter rescue. They're getting people off like 305 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: one at a time, lifting them to safety, and they 306 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: still these kids are still being told to stay in 307 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: their room. So it's not like everyone was on top 308 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: of the deck or you know, wherever they could be seen. Right, 309 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: most of them are still in their room. And then 310 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: they had life rafts. They had life rafts for like 311 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: eleven hundred people. There were forty four life rafts could 312 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: carry twenty five people each, and only one of them 313 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: was automatically deployed. 314 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: Right, So there is a point where the water is 315 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: starting to rush in so much that even somebody who's 316 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: been raised their entire life in a collective of society 317 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: to just follow the orders of the people in charge, 318 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: are going to leave their cabin, are going to stop 319 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: listening and leave their cabin. That finally happened, but by 320 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: this time it was much too late for most of them. 321 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: It's very, very hard to get out of a sinking 322 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: ship because the water rushes into every area that has 323 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: air to fill it up. There's a suction mechanism that 324 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 2: can create the movement of the water makes it less dense, 325 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: so you are likelier to sink. It's very hard to 326 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: get out of the inside of a sinking large ship, 327 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: and so there were stories of some of the survivors 328 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: seeing their friends like trying to get out and then 329 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: see them just get sucked back into the ship in 330 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: the water. And that was it. So the sew wall 331 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: within just a couple hours chuck. It went from completely 332 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: above water to totally sunk, totally submerged, and there was 333 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 2: still three hundred and four people trapped inside when it sank. 334 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that single Coastguard boat, rescue boat that was there, 335 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: it sat there and watched the whole thing happen. In fact, 336 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: worse than that, those fishermen in the fishing boats that 337 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: were there pulling passengers out, the coast Guard ordered them 338 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: to retreat and to get out of there. Of those 339 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy six I think you said three 340 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: hundred and four were trapped inside, only three of those 341 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: were crew members, and there were young crew members who 342 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: stayed aboard to try and help. 343 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, two of them were an engaged couple. 344 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're getting pretty worked up in upset, 345 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: so maybe we should take a break and come back 346 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: after this with more on the disaster. 347 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll do that, I think you said earlier, Chuck, 348 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: we're back. By the way that the sinking was broadcast 349 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: on TV, essentially all of the news just covered it 350 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: constantly the entire day and then some and there was 351 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: a lot of misinformation that was coming out. You can 352 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: actually hear where it began, Like very early on with 353 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: the ship almost fully capsized and mostly sunk, one of 354 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: the coastguard guys says, yeah, everybody's safe, they're all they're 355 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: all evacuated. So the families who were watching this essentially 356 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: had and assurance that their kids were safe, they were alive. 357 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: As the ship was sinking, and very quickly it turned 358 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 2: they learned that no, this is not the case. That 359 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: a substantial number two hundred and fifty of them were 360 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: now dead, were now maybe even not dead, but trapped 361 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the Yellow Sea in a boat 362 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: and we're going to die. 363 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, seventy five of the students made it through. So 364 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: the families, you know, almost immediately were like, we need 365 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: to hold someone accountable, We need some answers for what 366 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: happened out there, and they never really got answers. So 367 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: when that happened. They really went hard into raising good trouble, 368 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: becoming activists. Basically, they had candlelight vigils. They drew together 369 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: thousands of people at these things. They camped outside of 370 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: the President's residence, which is the Blue House in South Korea. 371 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: A lot of them shade their heads for publicity. They 372 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: went on hunger strikes, they were going to marches and 373 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: speaking at rallies. And because of this and this thing 374 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 1: just seems like it keeps getting worse and worse and 375 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: worse it does. South Korea didn't say like, yeah, we 376 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: need to really get to the bottom of this. All 377 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: these parents are devastated, they lost their children, so let's 378 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. Instead, these right wing 379 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: websites started putting out and commentators start putting out stories 380 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: about kind of what happened in Newtown, Connecticut, like putting 381 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: out stories about the families, accusing them of being North 382 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: Korean agents trying to get rich off this tragedy. Not 383 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: only that the official government started trailing some of them, 384 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: started staking out their houses, started tapping phones, trying to 385 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: dig up dirt to use against these parents of children 386 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: who were killed by neglige Yes. 387 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: They went to great length and spent a lot of 388 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: money and effort to deflect the focused attention and blame 389 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: from itself, the government and parents onto whoever yes on 390 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: the parents. It's the most cynical evil thing you could 391 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: possibly do as a government in a situation like this 392 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: when you're largely to blame. And so the these families 393 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 2: didn't stop as they were vilified. There was like a 394 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: huge cleaving between the formerly fully sympathetic and on their 395 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 2: side public and these families because now all of a sudden, 396 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: it's like, well, wait a minute, are they trying to 397 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: get rich? And the media was fully culpable in this. 398 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: They were instrumentalized. I've seen it described by the government 399 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: went along fully and so whatever the government wanted them 400 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: to say, they would just have some prosecutors, have some 401 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: journalists to hang out off the record, feed them a 402 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: bunch of stuff, and then the next thing that would 403 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: be the new news cycle. So the government was really 404 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: able to deliberately manage all of this, this tragedy, and 405 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: one of the things they did was scapegoat the families 406 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: or get them ostracized at least, and the families did 407 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: not This didn't shut them up at all. If anything, 408 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: it created even more activists and deep in the activists, 409 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: activism in the ones that were already kind of radicalized 410 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 2: by this, And so over time it became clear that 411 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 2: there was a bunch of people to blame, and the 412 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: parents were not in any of the categories. 413 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: No, there's basically kind of five buckets of people who 414 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: failed here, obviously the captain and the crew, except for 415 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: the three that stayed behind, who were you know, commendable obviously, 416 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: but you know, they, like we said, they didn't evacuate anybody, 417 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: no announcements to evacuate. Everyone's told to stay there while 418 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: this thing sank. And the other thing too is not 419 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: having that cargo security. You know, you shouldn't have cars 420 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: and trucks sliding around and construction equipment sliding around when 421 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: you make a sharp turn. Yeah, and making that sharp 422 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: turn was also a big error. 423 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: The coast guard also was very Uh. I don't think 424 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,959 Speaker 2: they were ever off the hook. They were blamed from 425 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: the moment the whole thing happened to the today. Yeah, 426 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: they did not do almost anything. It's just astounding the 427 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: little that they did. 428 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: That's what I don't get, Like why why. 429 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: I don't know why. But I do know that as 430 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: a direct result of this, the coast Guard, the North 431 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: Korean Coast Guard was dissolved. Everybody got removed, like, sorry, 432 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: there's no coast guard anymore. We have to figure out 433 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: a different way to do this. That's how incompetent and negligent. 434 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: Their response was that the Coastguard was disbanded because yeah, yeah, 435 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: so I don't know why, but that's that was the result. 436 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: That's how bad it was. 437 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's one of the more magning, 438 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: maddening things is even when they have done follow up 439 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: with all this, I don't think anyone ever said like, well, 440 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: there was a communication breakdown here and it happened because 441 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: of this. It was and when you're listening to the 442 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: comms in real time, it's just it's infuriating. 443 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Oh. It was like anybody who had a finger pointed 444 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 2: at them, what they did was just turn and pointed 445 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: at the next person. Yeah, there was no like account 446 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: no accountability. 447 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: Well put, the ferry company was another bucket. Obviously their 448 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: profits were more important than the safety of their passengers. 449 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: Was overloaded. Like we said, apparently their emergency training wasn't 450 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: very robust, and the workers that they hired were apparently 451 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: low paid contract workers. They didn't have a lot of experience. 452 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: Right, So the ferry companies cutting every corner they can 453 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: to maximize profit and putting profit ahead of passenger safety 454 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: by a lot, right. The port inspectors too, they didn't 455 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: do their job. They did their job by looking at 456 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: what's called freeboard, which is the distance between the ship 457 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: I guess the main deck and the water. And they 458 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: basically just eye balled it and said, oh, it's not 459 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: sitting too low in the water, so I guess it 460 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: passes inspection. From what I understand, they did not go 461 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 2: aboard the ship and actually like visually see any of 462 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: the cargo. That was the inspection they did for a 463 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: passenger ferry. And it gets even worse because you might say, like, okay, well, 464 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: I mean it was like it wasn't too low in 465 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: the water. Who cares if it was overloaded. The reason 466 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: it wasn't too too far or too deep into the 467 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: water was because the ferry company had scuttled ballast to 468 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: use that weight for more cargo. And not only did 469 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: that was that just highly illegal, but the lack of 470 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: ballast made the ship less seaworthy. 471 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it made it very unstable. So something like a 472 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: hard turn all of a sudden, you're going down, you know. 473 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 2: Isn't Isn't that insane? 474 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. The South Korean government is the fifth 475 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: bucket because, as you'll see here coming up in the 476 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: next section, they had a terrible response to everything after 477 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: it happened. There were about I guess it's been about 478 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: twelve years since it's happened. Like you said, I guess 479 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: it's gonna be on the anniversary that this is released. 480 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: But there have been nine different government investigations and inquiries, 481 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: and we'll go over the litany of arrest I mean, 482 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: that's the only sort of I mean, you don't want 483 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: to call it a good thing, but at least they 484 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people serve time for this, you know. 485 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely did. One of them was the captain. 486 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: His name is Lee June Siak, and he was put 487 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: on trout for negligent homicide. His defense was that he 488 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 2: was stunned and confused, yeah, by the accident, and he 489 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 2: just did he wasn't able to make decisions because he 490 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 2: was so stunned and confused. That was his defense. 491 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: It's not captain, that's not what you want to hear 492 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: out of a captain. 493 00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: No, for sure, the I guess. He also gave conflicting testimony. 494 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: In one, he lied and said that, oh, he did 495 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: give the order to evacuate, but his crew didn't listen. 496 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: I think he even lied and said that he used 497 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: a bullhorn to tell everyone to evacuate. He definitely did 498 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: not do any of those. Later, he gave a somewhat 499 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: more rational and sensible explanation. He said, essentially, there's very 500 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: strong currents in this area. That's true, the water is 501 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: very cold. It was like fifty seven degrees farent height 502 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: or I think seventeen degrees celsia, so I don't remember. 503 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: Pretty cold. And that also he didn't want people jumping 504 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: in the water before there was anyone around to rescue them. Right, 505 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: All of that makes a little bit of sense, but 506 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: none of it justifies or excuses or explains never giving 507 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: the evacuation order, abandoning ship while it was still fully 508 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: loaded with passengers. Like, there's no way to defend his actions, 509 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: even if some of his thinking was potentially reasonable. 510 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said that he didn't know. He claimed to 511 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: not know the status of the passengers when he abandoned ship, 512 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: which in admission, you know, in and of itself, is awful. 513 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: And he went to trial. Of course, we're going to 514 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, a lot of the trials here 515 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: at the end, but his trial was the most sort 516 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: of because you know, it was on TV, the captain, 517 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, coming out in his underwear and getting on 518 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: that it was it was just laid bare like you know, 519 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: in all ways for everyone to see with their own eyeballs. 520 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: So that was the trial that was really sort of 521 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: the most striking publicly, I think. And he was sentenced 522 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: to thirty six years in prison. Fourteen members of the crew, 523 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: the fourteen that evacuated, they got sentenced as well, from 524 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: five to thirty years, but they appealed the verdict and 525 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: made it worse. He eventually got a life sentence out 526 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: of this, and some of the crew members had their 527 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: sentences dial back a little bit because they were acting 528 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: on captain's orders. 529 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: Right. A lot of the families were like, let's give 530 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: him the death penalty. Even though South Korea hadn't used 531 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: the death penalty since nineteen ninety seven. They believe that 532 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: this was a prime candidate for the death penalty. So 533 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: early on chuck really early on is the government's just 534 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: doing anything it can to deflect blame or responsibility. They 535 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: zero it in on one of the owners of Cheonghijin Marine, 536 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: which owned the ferry. He was a billionaire named yubjung Un. 537 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: He's seventy three. His family was the co owner of 538 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: the company and also a bunch of other companies, And 539 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: the government did the same thing that it later did 540 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: with the families. It basically started feeding secretly info to 541 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: the media, and the media turned around and reported on it, 542 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I saw this graph of 543 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, day by day news reports on the Seawall 544 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: ferry sinking. They start to go down as the reports 545 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: on yubjong Un go up into there's nothing almost on 546 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: the sinking and everything on this billionaire who's now fled 547 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: and is on the run. 548 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he goes on the lamb. He's a very 549 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: well known guy in South Korea at the time, even 550 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: before this, mainly because well, I mean, he was a 551 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: billionaire businessman, so that's one, but more so for being 552 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: the founder of the Evangelical Baptist Church in Korea, so 553 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: he's someone that's well known. They issue an arrest warrant. 554 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: About a month later, he had fled. By this point, 555 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: there's a nationwide man hunt and for many many months. 556 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: What we learned after the fact was he was hiding 557 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: in a panic room at his vacation house. And then 558 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: that summer in July they found him in the woods. Basically, 559 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: he was in a plumb orchard, had killed himself. His 560 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: body was badly decomposed at that point, so he, you know, 561 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: the most cowardly thing he could do. He fled, hid, 562 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: and then took his own life to avoid responsibility. 563 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: Yea, there's something I mean, even though he was very 564 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: much made a scapegoat by the government, that doesn't mean 565 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 2: he was innocent or not responsible. He just wasn't the 566 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: only one responsible. And then one other thing that makes 567 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: this whole government thing even more cynical. They found his 568 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: body a full month before they publicly acknowledged it. Yeah, 569 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: because they kept he was just such a great way 570 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: to distract the public from the actual problem, the tragedy. 571 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: And when they finally did release that they had found 572 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 2: him and the manhunt was over, it was because there 573 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: was a really unpopular bill that would allow hospitals to 574 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: make more profits over patient care. That was making the news, 575 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: so they bumped that out of the way with the 576 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: news that this guy's body had been found. 577 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, should we take our final break. 578 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. 579 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take another break and talk 580 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the fallout right after this. 581 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: All right, so we're back. We have not talked yet 582 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: about the South Korean government, you know, like we said, 583 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: this thing was on TV for everyone to kind of see. 584 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: The one thing they didn't see was their president Park Gun. 585 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: He was nowhere. She didn't emerge. There was about a 586 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: seven hour period where she didn't come out of her 587 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: residence to address anything going on. When she finally did 588 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: come out, she didn't seem like she was even briefed 589 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: on what was going on. She was getting a lot 590 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: of the basic facts of the disaster wrong. She didn't 591 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: understand that there were students trapped inside the boat. It 592 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: was just it was a real mess from the beginning, 593 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: and they still don't know. I believe they sealed the 594 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: national security documents that have you know, what she was 595 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: doing during those seven hours. They sealed those documents for 596 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: at least thirty years, so no one's ever going to 597 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: know what the president of that country was doing for 598 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: those seven hours. 599 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: Now, the one thing that an investigation turned up that 600 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: she definitely was doing was the two hours before she 601 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: finally went on TV to talk about this crisis, she 602 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: was getting her hair done. 603 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: That's right. I remember hearing that. 604 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: Hours before that. They're like, it's sealed. It's the most 605 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: suspicious thing I've ever heard in my life. 606 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's so fishy. And them sealing it for 607 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: thirty years just like puts the official fishy stamp on 608 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: it all. 609 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's bad enough if they're just keeping 610 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: it quiet, but to seal it for thirty years. What 611 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: was she like having sex with Satan himself or something? 612 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: What was going on. 613 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: All of a sudden. It's a South Park movie pretty much. 614 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 2: Oh, come on, guy. 615 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: So obviously the you know, politics or politics, So the 616 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: political opposition is going to just jump on this moment 617 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: and say, you know, the you know they're behind the families. 618 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: Of course, if you're on the other side of the 619 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: political spectrum. They wanted her to step down. They mounted 620 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: a big nationwide sort of protest saying that she needs 621 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: to get out of here, and in twenty seventeen, she 622 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: became the first South Korean president to be impeached and 623 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: removed from office and was convicted. But the conviction had 624 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. She was implicated in a 625 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: bribery scheme. But they do credit the Seawall probe and 626 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: the backlash against her to just sort of kicking off 627 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: all of this investigatory stuff that led to that conviction. 628 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Park family in fact had pretty they were 629 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: not very good at governing. Not only was she the 630 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: first president to be removed from office in South Korea history, 631 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: her father was a dictator who led a coup and 632 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: took power until nineteen seventy nine when he was assassinated. 633 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: So not exactly the family you want running your country 634 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: after all. 635 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, her prison sentence is twenty years, but she was 636 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: pardoned in twenty twenty two by her successor. They said that, 637 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, she wasn't doing well health wise, and that's 638 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, in most normal times politics wise, a lot 639 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: of times even the opposition will like issue a pardon 640 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: against the person there against you know. 641 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kind of one of those like 642 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 2: we need to keep that custom in order because it 643 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: keep ticks. I've got eyes on the oval office four 644 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: years from No, and I don't want to go to jail. 645 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: Wait you do, yeah, might as well. 646 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 2: I mean, same thing. So here's the thing. It's been 647 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: twelve years and it is not clear what caused the 648 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 2: sinking of the Sioux Waal ferry. 649 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: Well, you don't know, like why it turned. I mean 650 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,479 Speaker 1: in that video, I don't know if this was the thing. 651 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: But when it shows that truck slaming against the wall, 652 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: something burst and water starts coming in. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 653 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: what they don't know why they made that short turn 654 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: to begin with. 655 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: Did I send this to you? I don't. I don't 656 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 2: know if you saw it. But the third mat in charge, 657 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: when she was tried, she testified that she ordered the 658 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: quartermaster to turn the rudder, turned the wheel, huh, to 659 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 2: avoid an oncoming ship. 660 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: That was oh okay, I didn't see that part. 661 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 2: And like it's nowhere like you like it was. I 662 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 2: found it buried and referenced in some one article. Like 663 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 2: it's not like a big thing. I don't know why. 664 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: Because it was confirmed by on land radar that there 665 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: was a trail out right after the ship turned, going 666 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: the other direction of what seemed to be another ship. 667 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so that that might have been the reason, yes. 668 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: The reason they turned. And then she said, well, the 669 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 2: quartermaster turned it way too hard. And again, like you said, 670 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 2: these were inexperienced, low paid contract workers actually doing the ship, 671 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 2: so it's quite possible the quartermaster just turned it too hard. 672 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 2: He also said. The quartermaster in his defense said, I 673 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,959 Speaker 2: didn't turn it that hard. That ship was not made 674 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 2: to even turn five degrees like the third may ordered 675 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 2: me too. Like it just kept going and skidding essentially. 676 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we mentioned the crew and the captain 677 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: that got and the president that all got prison sentences. 678 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: The owner of that ferry company had taken his own life, 679 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: but I think it was his son that was the CEO. 680 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: He was convicted on accidental homicide charges but also an 681 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: embezzlement thing, so he got a seven year term for 682 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: both of those. There was a shipping official that you know, 683 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: the ones who said, hey, you're fine to go without 684 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: checking its cargo. He was sentenced to three years. A 685 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of workers with the private company that overloaded the 686 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: ship to begin with, they got two years the ferry 687 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: company and this one. They ended up getting a pretty 688 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 1: good payout. There was a civil wrongful death civil suit 689 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: and in twenty eighteen court ordered the government and the 690 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: ferry company to pay the families what would be about 691 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: five hundred thirty thousand dollars per victim and American dollars, 692 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: which is about six hundred million one right, but pay 693 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mentioned the payout being pretty good just 694 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: because they deserved it. But nothing, you know, there isn't 695 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: a financial compensation for something like that, you know. 696 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 2: No, And to their credit, they are still quite organized 697 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 2: and still agitating for answers. We didn't say, but they 698 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 2: actually raised the fairy and then dry doct it. It's 699 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 2: pretty astounding that they were able to get that thing 700 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 2: out of the water, out of I think one hundred 701 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 2: and twenty feet of water, and they were able to 702 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 2: recover more bodies, they were able to recover belongings to 703 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: the kids, very important stuff. But they still are like, 704 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: we have no idea what caused this, what the actual 705 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 2: cause was. Yeah, but they like it took President park 706 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: to be impeached before they raised that thing because she 707 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 2: was essentially sitting on it. She didn't want it to 708 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 2: make the news cycle again. But they're still together. They 709 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 2: didn't get their money and like and say like whatever. 710 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 2: Another group were charged with negligence and incompetence. They were 711 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: eleven Coast Guard officers. They all stood trial. One of 712 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 2: them I think he was the commander of that one 713 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: Coastguard boat that was there on the scene. He served 714 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: a four year sentence. From what I saw, Yep. 715 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: There was also the bucket of the illegal surveillance that happened, 716 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: the obstruction that happened when the government was trying to 717 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: deflect you know, basically all attention on themselves. So from 718 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: that bucket, six officers with the Defense Security Command, which 719 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: is their military intelligence agency, were convicted of illegally surveilling 720 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: the families, you know, the victims families. Yeah, and then 721 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 1: two of the president's top aides were actually acquitted of 722 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: interfering with investigations, but they were they were tried, I guess, yeah. 723 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 2: And like I said, the grieving the parents that became activists. 724 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: They created essentially a couple of groups that both have 725 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: four sixteen in the name, that are that are there 726 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: to essentially get the truth revealed, make sure that everyone 727 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 2: who hasn't been punished is still punished. They also have 728 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 2: managed to get the actual classrooms removed from the High 729 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 2: school and reinstalled I think at the Department of Education, 730 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: and it's now a memorial museum, the four sixteen Memorial classroom, 731 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 2: and there's multiple classrooms that are just empty and there 732 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 2: they redid them exactly the way that they were left 733 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: when the students left to go on their field trip. 734 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: And it's eerie. I saw one picture in the April 735 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen wall calendars still up. 736 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: Jeez. 737 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks really stirring. 738 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's brutal. This sadly was not you know, the 739 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: last disaster to strike South Korea just a few years 740 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: ago in twenty twenty two, in October, one hundred and 741 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,919 Speaker 1: fifty nine young people died in a crowd rush during Hallow. 742 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: It's known as the e Taiwan crowd crush. And they 743 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, at least there were parents from the seawall 744 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: disaster that came forward to get together with these parents 745 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: and say, hey, you've got a friend in me and 746 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: we can be together in this activism, you know, so 747 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: like join up with us because we're already going strong. 748 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: And that's what happened. 749 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I guess when I left off, the main 750 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: point of what they're agitating for is better government regulation 751 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 2: for public safety responses, for things like shipping requirements, like 752 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: just basically repealing some of the deregulation that led to 753 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 2: these unsafe conditions that allowed that crowd crush that happened, 754 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,479 Speaker 2: that allowed the seawall ferry to sync without people being 755 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 2: enough people being rescued. Yeah, so yeah, hats off to 756 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 2: them for continuing what they're doing. 757 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, sad, tough, tough, tough one. I remember this going down. 758 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: I remember seeing the images of that captain coming off 759 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: that boat in his underwear and just thinking like, what 760 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: is this guy doing? 761 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talked about that. It's one crowd crush 762 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: in the crowd Crush episode. 763 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. 764 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 2: I also just want to make sure everybody goes and 765 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 2: watches in the absence that New Yorker documentary. It's like 766 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: less than thirty minutes long, and it's really something agreed well, 767 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 2: Chuck said, yeah and agreed to. That means it's time 768 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 2: for listener mail. 769 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: This is not a sad listener mail, so we're gonna 770 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: end on a little brighter note. It's about deodorant. Hey, guys, 771 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: I listened to the anti Perspont deodorant episode and I 772 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: wanted to share this with your listenership if you and 773 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: I guess you know Chris here is into standard deodorants 774 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: and has some advice. Okay, if you mix equalish parts 775 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: of coconut oil with baking soda to your favorite consistency, 776 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: maybe if you have a favorite essential oil desired, you 777 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: can drop that in there. It's frankly the best deodorant 778 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: ever for those whose bodies laugh. Anything supposed to stop that. 779 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: It is supposed to stop sweat, because personally this chick 780 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: thinks of hot dogs and sweats, so the capability of 781 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: it completely masking body odor is remarkable, at least with 782 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: my stubborn stink. And we get a cheers from Chris, 783 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: and Chris has a little ps. If you get irritated 784 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: from the baking soda, maybe just add some more coconut 785 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: oil until your skin doesn't complain. 786 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 2: Nice, Thanks Chris, good stuff. I do have to warn 787 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 2: you do not just willy nilly put a bunch of 788 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 2: essential oil in there, though, Like I found that out 789 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 2: the hard way when I guess poison ivy in U. 790 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 2: He's like, just put some oil on some essential oil line. 791 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember. I just put essential oil on my 792 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 2: skin just started burning immediately, and she said, no, you're 793 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: supposed to mix it with like other oil first. 794 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: Why didn't that? Why didn't you call Emily? But you 795 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: may knew that. Yeah, you gotta really dilute that stuff. 796 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: A little goes a long way. So I would imagine 797 00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: a couple of drops in your deodorant concoction would be plea. 798 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 2: It's like the old slogan says, a couple of drops tops. 799 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 2: If you want to get in touch with us, like 800 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 2: Chris did, send us an email like Chris did. 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