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Speaker 1: Radio. Loco Radio Radio Commies a Myth and Bullshit, a

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Speaker 1: radio phonic novella Local Radio hosted by Malamo. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Season three of Local Radios. Because fem revenge has never

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Speaker 1: archiving the brilliance and legacies of women and fems of color.

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Speaker 1: I'm Theosa and I'm Mala and we are less mommies

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Speaker 1: of myth and Bullshit. Lasca Radio Radio phonic novela, which

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Speaker 1: Welcome back recording again. Yes, welcome to We're really excited

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Speaker 1: be a really good episode always. We have a fabulous

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about, we have announcements,

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Speaker 1: The title of our show September nineteen is Musica, and

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Speaker 1: we are blessed and privileged to have to excellent artists, performers,

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Speaker 1: there all right, So we want to check in. It's

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Speaker 1: I feel like a mixed summer. It's a little hot

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425
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Speaker 1: good to think about the collectives that are doing the work,

426
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: like collective Na Junta, l a um, those folks that

427
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: are that are putting on the parties. Yes, um, the

428
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Soup Silo Crew, Laggers, Laggers, there's a lot of there's

429
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: a lot of us right now to lead the Vinyl Club,

430
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: like organizing the spaces in the events. But just you know,

431
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: it's it's important to be cognizzant of of the venues

432
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: as well. For instance, last speed Las is wide owned

433
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: and if you've been there, like it's a it's a

434
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: mescal bar. So there's like glas everywhere. There's a lot

435
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: of um ladoras everywhere. You know, it's definitely playing on

436
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: like the esthetics of Mexican culture, but it's kitschy Um

437
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: and it's not land x Owe. So just to think

438
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: about that. So, yeah, once again we want to send solidarity. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

439
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: So that's that's our that's our current event. L A

440
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: current event that we definitely wanted to talk about here today. Yes,

441
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: and if there's anything coming up in the next couple

442
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: of weeks, in the next week when this episode is out,

443
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: in regards to any actions that are happening here in

444
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: l A, we will definitely put you onto them. We

445
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: will share them on the fate on the Instagram. UM

446
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: protect trans women. Yes, especially if you're a bystander women

447
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: tell your boyfriend to do something step in this is

448
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: like you have to leverage your privilege in these moments,

449
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: because there was there was hint there there in this video.

450
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: There's hint at that bar standing around watching plenty plenty

451
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: of hint there, and I don't see anybody stepping in

452
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: or doing or saying anything, which is very disappointing. It's

453
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: not the first time we've seen something like this. UM.

454
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when this was, but maybe it

455
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: was like six months ago. A video circulated on Twitter.

456
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: There were these two Mohendes Latina mohend Is downtown l

457
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: A on Springs Street, right. They were defending a street

458
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: vendor because some humongous man was being super verbally abusive

459
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: to the street vendor, and so these two moheaders told

460
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: him like to stop, to leave him alone, and this

461
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: man punched them out, both of these women in the face,

462
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: and there were a bunch of bystanders, and not one

463
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: person came forward to say anything to him. He jogged away.

464
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: Nobody even tried to stop him. These women were laid

465
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: out on the floor, and no one even approached them

466
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: to ask them if they were okay, to call the police,

467
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: to call an ambulance. Nothing. So, I mean, bystander intervention

468
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: is not a thing, especially when the bystanders are predominantly men.

469
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: They don't come forward to defend women inutiles, cowards, spineless.

470
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: I only have negative words for y'all. You know, it's

471
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: some fucked up shit. This is why we're all about

472
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: like moheadas and solidarity because when it comes down to it,

473
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: like we're really all that we can depend on. Absolutely. Yeah,

474
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: So davidgeless vigilance, stay on your toes, protect each other,

475
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: keep each other safe. You know, it's it's rough out

476
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: here here. But we want to switch switch it, switch

477
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: gears a little bit to something a little bit lighter. Um.

478
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: I think it got a little intense right now for

479
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: up for both of us. But you know, we haven't

480
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: chatted with you all in a while, and there's lots

481
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: of things we need to share, um, But we want

482
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: to switch it to something a little bit lighter. So

483
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: I never have anything to say for this segment because

484
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: I purposely well and not purposely also, you know, just

485
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: by situationally and never around white women hardly ever, So

486
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: we have a weird things white women did this week,

487
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: brought to us by Mala. Yeah, because on the flip side,

488
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time around white women, really do.

489
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, just by the fact of my life

490
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: right now, you know, and there are some cool white

491
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: ladies out there, um, in the world you know, chilling.

492
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: We have our favorite white ladies, but overwhelmingly there are

493
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: some weird interactions that happened when white women are in

494
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: the room. So, you know, I'm remember at the Wing,

495
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: and uh, the Wing has come under some controversy lately

496
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: for not being a safe space for black women, and um,

497
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of very much needed and valid

498
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: critique of the Wing. And so here, Um, I'm a

499
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: member of the Wing West Hollywood, and I was sitting

500
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: with my friend Shria, who is my friend from college,

501
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: and she was down in l A visiting because she

502
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: was going to the Girl Boss rally. So me and

503
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: Shria and Sria is Indian South Asian, and so we're

504
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: there at the Wing hanging out and this white woman

505
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: comes and sits directly behind us. And then this lady

506
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: like stops our conversation and says, Oh, I don't want

507
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: to interrupt you. I don't want to be rude, but

508
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that I'm about

509
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: to take a call and I'm gonna be loud. There

510
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: were other seats open and available, like it was not

511
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: she she was going to move. So she interrupts us

512
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: to tell us that she doesn't mean to interrupt us,

513
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: and then starts talking about herself and everything that she does,

514
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: and she starts listing off her resume. She's a producer,

515
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: she's this, she's that, she's this, she's that and the other.

516
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I already don't believe you because that's

517
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: too many jobs. I don't buy it. And then she

518
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: starts to tell us about how, you know, um, she

519
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: may look like a white lady, but she's like so

520
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: like into culture and she's so involved in different cultural communities.

521
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: She didn't actually negate the fact that she's white. She

522
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: never said I may look white, but I'm actually this. No,

523
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: she just said I may look white, but I'm super

524
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: into culture and I'm super into like traveling, this, that

525
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: and the other. And then she goes so alreadie. Me

526
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: and Tria are like looking at each other and her

527
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: eyes are like big, they're like this day, like what

528
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: is happening? Trio is like texting me like, um, should

529
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: we like move? And then this white woman says, you know, um,

530
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: a few years ago, I discovered Latin American music. She

531
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: discovered it. Incident again, white people with their discoveries, right,

532
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: She goes, I discovered Latin American music, and I just

533
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: thought to myself, huh, this is this is amazing. I

534
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: need to bring this to the masses, like the world

535
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: needs to hear this. And she says, and that's why

536
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I became a zoomba instructor so I could bring Latin

537
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: American music to the world. And then she's like, I'm

538
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: going to the Dominican Republic next month. You should come

539
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: with me and record a podcast there. And in my brain,

540
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, literally over my dead body, right, bitch, I

541
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: will die before I travel anywhere with you. So that

542
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: was my most recent example of a white women being

543
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: weird girl, right, and the school you're about to start,

544
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: so you'll have more I know it. I know it. Um.

545
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I work with all latinas, there are some white Latina,

546
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: so I will. I'm sure that I will have a

547
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: weird things white women did, but Latina white tina addition,

548
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Um that I can share one of these days. But

549
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, thank feeling nothing has happened, or maybe it

550
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: just happened so much that I don't even notice. I

551
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know, could be, could be you know the microaggressions

552
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: you just don't really pay attention to. Them anymore. Sure,

553
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: I try and take notes on my phone as often

554
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: as possible or I'll forget right. And because things become normalized,

555
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: become normal. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, do I

556
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: really not have anything? Or do I am? I just

557
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: used to it, you know, so I need to think,

558
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: I need to think about it, and just I guess

559
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: pay more attention. Yeah, I'm sure there's something. I'm sure.

560
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. Girl, I'm like a like

561
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: a I'm one of those people and I'm working on

562
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: this where it's like you think about what you should

563
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: have said after the fact and then you regret not

564
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: saying it, you know. So I'm doing my best. I have.

565
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I have when I have said something, it's gotten me

566
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: into trouble, you know. So I'm like, Okay, do I

567
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: react maybe into some trouble. Do I think about it

568
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: and process it and then regret not saying it later?

569
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: You know? So That's where I'm at. Yeah, It's really

570
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: always a negotiation and like picking your battle totally totally.

571
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: So yes, Well, thank you for sharing that, Mala. You're welcome. Um. Yeah,

572
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,560
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00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: want to introduce our guest, the amazing in comparable Yesica Sado.

592
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Speaker 1: She is a l A based Salvadoran poet who writes

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00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: about her family, her culture, her city and her Brown Body.

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00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: She has shared her work in venues and campuses throughout

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Speaker 1: the country. Salgado is a four time member of the

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Speaker 1: Poetry Lounge Slam Team and a seventeen and National Poetry

597
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Speaker 1: Slam finalist. Her work has been featured in The l

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Speaker 1: A Times, Latina Magazine, on Vibe Magazine, Huffington's Post, NPR,

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00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ted X, and many digital platforms. She is the co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Latina feminist collective Chin Guana Fire and

601
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: an internationally recognized body positivity activists. Yesica is the author

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Speaker 1: of the Amazon best seller scor and soon to be

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Speaker 1: ed Moosa, published with not a Cult and and Friends

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and

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Speaker 1: and and and and and and Spend and and and

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Speaker 1: and and um from from from Um from from of

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Speaker 1: it and ship and we are back. We are so

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Speaker 1: excited to welcome our home girl, amazing author, writer, poet.

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00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: Yes Hi, welcome back, Mama Mango, back in the stoo.

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Speaker 1: It's been a minute. And Yes, I love this tradition

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Speaker 1: that we have where we get the exclusive interview for

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00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: your book release. Thank you so much for sitting down

613
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: with us and joining us today for the third time. Yeah,

614
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: we love having Yessica and we sat down with Yessica. This,

615
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: like YO said, this is now the third time we've

616
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: sat down to talk about a new body of work

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Speaker 1: that you've created. The first time was for Corason, then

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00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: it was and now for your news baby and Mosa. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean you know that. Whenever I have a date,

620
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Speaker 1: I always hit you all up. I'm like, okay, so

621
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Speaker 1: when are we doing the interview because it has to

622
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: be look at that our first, and then everybody else next.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that, thank you, We really really do. And

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: it's always a good time. I told Nico here at

625
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Speaker 1: Espasso that Yessica was coming and he goes, oh, so

626
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Speaker 1: the cheese is about to be really good, right, Yes,

627
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: I said, yes, that is true, that is correct. So

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Yesica. Do you want to say hi to

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Speaker 1: our new listeners who maybe have joined us since our

630
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: last interview with you and introduce yourself? Yes, definitely, um

631
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Speaker 1: Ala new locomotives. I am also a localmore um since

632
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: day one, so I beat you, but I am. I've

633
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: coined a phrase for myself. I'm a fat fly um

634
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: brown woman who writes poems and about love and my

635
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: family and my community, specifically Siver like Echo park um

636
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: l A, and I've released a few books and that

637
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: this is the third one to close out a trilogy

638
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: that's based around all those subjects and basically love and

639
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: it's many shapes and forms. So yeah, Hi, and your

640
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: first two books, because you self published a number of

641
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: chat books Znes, You've had blogs, You've been creating for

642
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: what ten years more? Now, I've been writing my whole life.

643
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I've been sharing work online for seventeen years um. And

644
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: then I've been selling uh some publication of work since

645
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: two So I've done a project almost every year thirteen

646
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: to now. That's amazing. And what I love about the

647
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: last two books and well now three books, right is

648
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the way the imagery has progressed and how you have

649
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: a new um either planned or tree involved. And this

650
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: this time around it's like undeniable the Hagaranda tree. So

651
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: can you just jump in? Can you talk about how

652
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: that imagery has progressed and perhaps the significance or the

653
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: symbolism for you for this book. Yes, So for the

654
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: first book, it wasn't intentional. I just gathered the poems

655
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be in the book and piece

656
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: the story that was supposed to be a love story.

657
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: And the woman who designed my cover when I told

658
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: her what I wanted as a cover art, and she

659
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't listen to anything I asked for other than the color,

660
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: which is blood orange was the cover of the book,

661
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: and um when it came back, it was the mango.

662
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: It was a mango branch. And I realized then that

663
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: the mango was so prevalent in my work and um

664
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: so when I became conscious of that, I leaned into it.

665
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: And the book represent like the mango takes so many

666
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: different um uh, it means so much throughout the book

667
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: and so so then when I had my second book,

668
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: I said, well, the mango represents me, what represents my

669
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: home in l A. And it's two lemon trees because

670
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: my friend yard has two lemon trees. And so I

671
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: used that imagery throughout the whole cover, throughout the whole

672
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: book of the sort And there's the lemon tree branch

673
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: on the cover of the Sorto. And then this last one,

674
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be more of a love letter

675
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: to the whole city to l A. And um, palm

676
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: trees are played out. Yeah, and my block is lined

677
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: by hakan on the trees, and I think the hakanana

678
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: is a beautiful They bloom in the summer. I was

679
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: born in the summer. And also, Um, I feel like

680
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: they tell us they love us, and sometimes we've find

681
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: them to be an inconvenience because they fall over the

682
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: trees and all over the step and so um, I've

683
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: been made to feel like my love was inconvenient before.

684
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: But I see the beauty in it, and I think

685
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: that too close at the trilogy, it was like a

686
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: beautiful nod at what that could be. Yes, there's so

687
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: much that you weave together throughout all three books, and

688
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean the fruit, the flowers, the trees, this notion

689
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: of blooming, um, the way you tie it back even

690
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: to place and location and migration, and how you have

691
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: the mango tree and a sadd the lemon tree here

692
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: in l A, the hakat on the tree here in

693
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: l A. And I also love the way that you

694
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: lay out streets throughout the book. I think one of

695
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: my favorite things about reading your work is selfishly finding

696
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: myself in the work literally literally, Yes, that's how I felt.

697
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: You have the poem and it's literally at Lasa and

698
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: we were just talking about that. I think two nights

699
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: go Mama and I And how like in our the

700
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: mommy prime that that was we were always at Lasita.

701
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: So being able to read that in the book and

702
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: think like that that was like one of our nights.

703
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: That's the thing that Um, A lot of folks realized

704
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: that the mommies are mentioned so much in my work, right, Um,

705
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: you know there's in Corrason there's like Mama, like you're

706
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: mentioned by name in the book and um, actually like

707
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: you're in a couple of poems because there's a yeah,

708
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot and then um got the apple bum

709
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: is mentioned like us laughing over something. Um, being at

710
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: Lasita is a not to like where we used to

711
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: go before. There's another poem about us having a dinner

712
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: in Hollywood with Maritza. And so for me, like my

713
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: sisterhood is the most important thing for me, the woman

714
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: in my life. And and if I could rope them

715
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: into my work, I tried to. And those that know

716
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: who it's about know and those who don't whatever, like

717
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: you still get to connect to it. Yeah, And I

718
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: mean the book too is so amazing because at Mossa

719
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: captures even really important periods of time here in l A.

720
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Like you make mention of Nipsey being killed, right, and

721
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: it just really cements the work in like our real

722
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: lived experiences and how the city was in mourning collectively

723
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: while you were probably mourning something else. Right, I love

724
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: a relationship, what have you. So it's just I would

725
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: really love to know more about how you take streets

726
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: and experiences and events in l A. And then we've

727
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: them back into your personal narrative. Well, yeah, I think that. Um,

728
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm not someone that writes out of like political reaction,

729
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: but I will write out of personal reaction, right, And

730
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: I mean the personal is political, um. And so for

731
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: for me to like write about Nipsey, I couldn't not write.

732
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: So the man that I write a lot of my

733
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: love poems about is the black man, and I can't

734
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: I can't not acknowledge that in my work also, you know.

735
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: And and so that was important for me in the

736
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: fact that Nipsey's death meant something for him too, that

737
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: didn't mean that for me, and that kind of like

738
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: sat in my spirit really strongly. But also like to

739
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: see the city more in somebody in a way that um,

740
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: I've never seen them more in someone And it was

741
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: just this thing that like it took over my whole body,

742
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: and I had to incorporate. I had to acknowledge that

743
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: I was creating something while that was happening. But um, also,

744
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: like the streets are important because especially the streets that

745
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: I choose to mention, UM. I always try to mention

746
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: like brown and Black Street, like UM, streets that belong

747
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: to us or that were gentrified and quote unquote taken

748
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: from us. And and so I feel like it's almost

749
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: like a word claiming because it's in my work, and

750
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: my work is only growing and there's people that only

751
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: get to know really through my lens. And so if

752
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you my city through my lens,

753
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you get the real like my lens. Yeah.

754
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: I love the streets that you choose to mention because

755
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: they feel so much like home because they're so close

756
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: to my home, you know. Like MacArthur Park is not

757
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: a street specifically, but the park, the location um Vermont Slawson,

758
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Caesar Traves, like these are major locations for people of

759
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: color and for Latino community specifically. Yes, and it's really

760
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: important for me. MacArthur Park is important. It's the Salvadoran Corridor.

761
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a nod to my diaspora. You know,

762
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: Um Echo Park is is where I grew up going

763
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: as a kid. And and it's a nod to like

764
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: what was before the gentrification, um you know, scousin um

765
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: crunch shot, like naming like Pershing Square. I remember when

766
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Pershing Square was in the hipster spot it is now,

767
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: you know. And and and so it's important like at

768
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: MacArthur Park, like I mean, y'all host it at the

769
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: limit right. For me, that was like knowing that my

770
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: homegirls are hosting at something that me and my my

771
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: family we used to go um when I was little

772
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: to watch meet that like the first concerts I saw

773
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: were in that part, you know. And and to know

774
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that I'm part of a community now that it's putting

775
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: on these things is before meing here um you know,

776
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: or it's hosting and and that it's also um accessible

777
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: and tangible. I want my readers to feel that it's

778
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: the same for them to Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Thank

779
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: you for laying all that out for us. I'm curious

780
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: for h for this time around and been writing this book.

781
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: How was the process different in completing this new collection

782
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: of works to the other two times, I was tired

783
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: as fun. So I was tired, and you both got

784
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: texts for me having existential crisis and crying, and I

785
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: was like, I don't I feel like I I'm glad

786
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: I did three books in two years, but I was

787
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: tired and I felt like I didn't have much to

788
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: say anymore, and so I had to sit with that

789
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: for a while. Like I began the year Um I went,

790
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: I was in New York for a few days, and

791
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to write all these poems

792
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: about l A. When I was there, I only wrote

793
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: like a six line poem, and then like I kept

794
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: thinking the book was gonna come, and it wasn't until

795
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: like I was two weeks late, and I literally sat

796
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,479
Speaker 1: in one night and pulled all the pieces together. And

797
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: this is the thing that Soto had so much that

798
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: I was trying to outdo the Toto. But there's no

799
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: way that you can do that. And what I mean

800
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: by so much is like there's hidden love notes. There's

801
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot of references to Quota and the Soto. There's

802
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot of references to my mangoes, and and if

803
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: you follow my if you follow me outside of my

804
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: written work, there's so much, like so much I was sharing,

805
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do all of that Theosa any more.

806
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: But I realized that that wasn't what that book was.

807
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: So I sat with gabrield our friends and she was like,

808
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't haven't seen the Bad Bitch Yessica

809
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: and any of these poems, and that's why the book

810
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: starts the way it does. I was gonna say, um,

811
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: when you first sent us the manuscript for Amosa, I

812
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: like immediately texted Yessica and I said, um, this this time,

813
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: this book feels so different because I feel you and

814
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: I felt just you, and reading it, it just it

815
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: felt like this is the book where Yessica centers Yessica,

816
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's what makes it so powerful and

817
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: also different, and it makes it powerful in a different

818
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: way than the other two because I uh my friend

819
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: Katrina uh told like she produced my last book release

820
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: and it's producing this next one, and she said, this

821
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: is an infra chapter. This is the end to a

822
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: to a chapter in your life. You're no longer trying

823
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: to solidify yourself as this poet. You are like you

824
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: are who you are now it is undeniable. And to

825
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: think of who I was at Quartassa when I was

826
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: putting together Quarassone to who I am now, like I

827
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: feel like I've been through like a war zone, right,

828
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: and and also I've been on over the country. Um,

829
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I've sold over a fifteen thou books. Think it's so

830
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: all these things that have happened that I'm like, oh no,

831
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to like write books anymore, like

832
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: a bit just writing books. You're doing it. Yeah you

833
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: have arrived, Yeah, yeah arrived yeah or or or yeah

834
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: yeah I have I arrived. I think it's weird because

835
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: you always have like more dreams for yourself, you know,

836
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: and um, but then like yeah, I arrived fully into

837
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: my voice and into who I am, and and and

838
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: so was selfishly a book for myself. It's interesting to

839
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: how like thinking about the way you describe books and poems,

840
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: like you talk about giving birth to your books, giving

841
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: birth to your poems. And I think a lot of

842
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: times we hear parents talk about how different their children are.

843
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: And you can't make your child be what you want

844
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: it to be. The child is going to just be itself.

845
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: And it's almost it sounds like this is the case

846
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: with your books too. Yeah. Yeah, is the Pride and Joy,

847
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, the one that went off to college and

848
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: and she's doing everything that you want, like as a parent,

849
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: you want your kid to do, you know. And then

850
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: this Soto is more like my wild child, the ones

851
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: just like Funk everybody like the patriarchy. Yeah, she's a

852
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: middle child. And then Edemosa, well she's she's not born yet,

853
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: but she's sweet and um, determined and and just you know,

854
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: like you don't have Some kids are just born with

855
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: a strong sense of sense self. Yeah. I think that

856
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: that's what the Mosa is. Like. The book is what

857
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: it is, and there's no need to put a spin

858
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: on it. There's no need whatever. It's a collection of

859
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: poems about me. Beautiful. I do have to say, um,

860
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: my favorite line, because you you do a really good

861
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: job of like balancing just beautiful imagery, history, pain, sadness,

862
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: but also humor. And my favorite line in Edmosa there's

863
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: a poem punchline, the first line, I ate his ass

864
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: because I loved him. Let's talk about that and the

865
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: things that we do for these fuckers because we love

866
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: first of all, the men that I'm sexually involved with

867
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: bought a five and one shampoo. We saw your story, girl,

868
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: we saw the story. I was like, I'm not going

869
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: to have sex with you as long as you're using

870
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: that because that's disgusting, right, men are gross, And so

871
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: I feel like, as anyone that has sex with hetero men,

872
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: if you're eating their asses an act of love, because sacrifice,

873
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: because they're not always the most clean people in the world.

874
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I ate someone's ass as an act

875
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: of love. It wasn't it wasn't my idea, it was his.

876
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and so I ate it because I

877
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: love you. Called the Vatican, we have new criteria for

878
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: stood and it's eating ass. It's eating eating sis hero

879
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: male ass. I declare you Santa? Yeah good. Someone translated

880
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: that into Spanish and it was awful Spanish. I was like,

881
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: crap that line, no, like just the poem itself. Yeah,

882
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: what's the translation? Inst I don't remember what it was,

883
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: but I was. I was frustrated too because they translated

884
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: it and they didn't use Savodoran I remember Spanish. They

885
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: used like, uh, like the espan like with the with

886
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: the list. Yeah, And so then I went to is

887
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: this so yeah, because the poem talks about eating a

888
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: second dick, you know, like the works and and so

889
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: seeing it translate into Spanish. One not it wasn't with

890
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: words I would use. And two it was just I

891
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: just felt like it's kind of I don't know, talking

892
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: sex in Spanish for me is not a thing I'm

893
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: used to. So yeah, the one time I had a boyfriend,

894
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't need spoke Spanish to ask me if I

895
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: was we he asked, I do think I remember that

896
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: he asked that my cookie got what I got and

897
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I say cookie, I thought of like, yeah,

898
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm so dead. So some things don't translate. Well, maybe

899
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: I haven't met like the right like suave man, you know,

900
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: because that might that might be it, but the ones

901
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: I've did it haven't. I mean, it's one thing to

902
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: be corny in English, but to be corny in Spanish,

903
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like triple it's like even worse.

904
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: I needed something that was really like super mellosso like

905
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: too much, and you know, like you don't have to

906
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: say everything is stronger in Spanish. Love is more love,

907
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: anger is more anger. So if you're like like corny

908
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: is corny or like I can't could see as Yeah, no,

909
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: how is the love life right now? Yes? Because on

910
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: the subject sometimes on the topic I have a question

911
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: as well, But let's start with that one. Um No,

912
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean in my love life, it's both non existent

913
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: and existent. I don't know how to explain it. I'm

914
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: still dealing with the same situation that like you both

915
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: are rolling your eyes at but right can you can

916
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: see it in the video footage? I? Um, I mean,

917
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, I've been in love with this person for

918
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: whatever however many years has been now and um, the

919
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: relationship has been toxic and uh now is becoming this

920
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: reinvented friendship but that still has an element of romance

921
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: to it. But it's really frustrating because I've been very

922
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: hurt and I haven't really set hurt. I'm in therapy.

923
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm working through it good. And then like, but I

924
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: also like, I mean I know that, MoMA, you always

925
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: ask me that because you go, don't you are you

926
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: afraid this relationship sabotages the possibility for other relationships? And

927
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: then I'm like, but nobody's really checking and hold that.

928
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: Here's the thing it's not about. They're actually being someone

929
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: that's like trying to get at you. The thing is

930
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: about the universe, right. You have to release what's no

931
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: longer serving you because you need to make room for

932
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: something new coming. It's not that oh there's nobody around.

933
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: That's because you're not allowing for anyone to come around

934
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: by keeping the old. I mean, I know this, I

935
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: know all of this. I know this, and I go

936
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: through the processes and to um the breakups and where

937
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: I write the books, and then I'm like, I'm done

938
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: with him and he's not in my life for months,

939
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: and then uh, the relapse that happens. Um, I want

940
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: to say that things are different for me now, you

941
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: know what. Where I'm at, I'm at a place that, um,

942
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm not. There's no frills, there's no false hope, there's

943
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: no expectation of changing someone. I'm like, oh, I'm like,

944
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: you're a mess, and I'm here because I can't help

945
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: not loving you. But I'm actively working to like one

946
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: day not being this and so and I told that

947
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: we were on IG Live and I go, have you

948
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: considered the fact that I'm not going to be here

949
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: one day? And he goes, yeah, I've considered that a

950
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: lot anyway, whatever, I'm learned that he operates from a

951
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: place of fear and I operate from love. And um,

952
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if if someone's out there, If anybody

953
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: out there is doing buking, you do it a good way, right.

954
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: He hast to love spell y'all, come on, everybody assembled,

955
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: so that I could get like this man out of

956
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: my heart. But then I've had like I tried dating

957
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: somebody else. Oh my god, wait pause. The other day

958
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I was in the kitchen and there was and I

959
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: was like, mom my dad is doing brua on you.

960
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: I hope you know that. I was like, and she

961
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, tell him something, and I was like,

962
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: it's too late. He lit the candle. It's been lit,

963
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: it's red, it's done. Okay, so you know it's the thing.

964
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Somebody lit a candle for me. Can you turn it

965
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: off place? And please? Um no, But I mean, like

966
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: I'm single. If anybody is out there, hello, that's announcement

967
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: to anyone listening with a finance CEO a good job

968
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: and a professor that's like, you know, but like but

969
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: like a good professor, like you know, like not like

970
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: a poor professor. No adject no, no, we need tenure track. Yes,

971
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: their own office. Yes, all that, all of the all

972
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: that good stuff. You do have a line in your

973
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: poem Lasita, maybe we want to be single. Maybe we

974
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: want to be single. The new men didn't stick because

975
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: we won't let them. Yeah, I mean we've talked about

976
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: this a lot. Um. So I was on my Instagram

977
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: like going through my archives and my stories the other day.

978
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: And first of all, when did we ever sleep? My girl?

979
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: Never never going to work at a The next day

980
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: we were going out, like Monday through Sunday. There was

981
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: a day where we were together, like four days in

982
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: a row. And I was like what Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

983
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: Sunday where staming a comfort? No idea, girl, I had

984
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: to be home by one thirty yesterday, Like I have

985
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: no stamina anymore. But remember the time that I was

986
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: supposed to meet this Jamaican dude at Lasita and then

987
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: I got there with you and I was having such

988
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: a good time I told him not to show up.

989
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: Remember it would be like that there sometimes, Or the

990
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: time that the guy came to see me at the

991
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: at the club with me and you were together, and um,

992
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: me and him talked the whole time and then but yes,

993
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: every but I still was with you, like I wasn't

994
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: like there with him. So I think for me, I've

995
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: made it a point to center the woman in my life,

996
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: even even with the guy that I've been on and

997
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: off with, Like, if I ever had to choose between

998
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: him and my and my sisters, my friends, it wouldn't

999
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: even be a hesitation. I'd be like, I'll cry over

1000
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: you for a few months, but I'll be I'm sure. Yes,

1001
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: there's a poem where you have like a conversation about

1002
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: this and you basically say, like we kept the love,

1003
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: We kept each other the way that I envisioned it,

1004
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: but then it ruined everything else. Yes, it's like what

1005
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: if we finally figuring out What if we figuring it out,

1006
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: we built the house, we lived together, and then you're

1007
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: still you and I'm still me, which is these people

1008
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: with toxic traits and um everything goes to ship, but

1009
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: we're with each other. I felt that in my gut

1010
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: at the end, at the end of the last line,

1011
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: like we ruined everything else, right, But because I think

1012
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, for any of us that have been in

1013
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: a bad relationship, that won't end. Um everything else is

1014
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: like kind of up in flames, or you like abandon

1015
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: everything else, or you forget about everything else just for

1016
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: the sake of keeping this relationship going. So I felt that,

1017
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I I recently lost a friendship

1018
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: over someone that's in a really toxic relationship, right, and

1019
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: I feel that this person feels that they needed to

1020
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: do these things for their relationship. But at the same time,

1021
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: is it worth it if you're losing everything? And so

1022
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: I obviously I can't be hypocritical and not look at

1023
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: my own situation. And then I'm like, well, this man

1024
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: hasn't made me lose anyone yet, but I had to

1025
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: take inventory of like would I'd be willing to lose

1026
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: people in my life for him? And thank god I wouldn't, like,

1027
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, also I talked about him

1028
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: like he's president in my life in the way that

1029
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: he isn't. This is just someone that I have sex with,

1030
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: what like once or twice a year, And then like

1031
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: I go on with my single ass life and I

1032
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: have a question, Um, this is about dating and writing,

1033
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: but it's not about Amosa. And you have your new column, Suelta,

1034
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about that, so I wanted to

1035
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: ask you if you wanted to share what that has

1036
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: been like writing a colum as opposed to you know,

1037
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: hammering out a whole book, you know, and having that

1038
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: be like a huge production, and how that's been you know,

1039
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: how has that been like for you? It's been really

1040
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: interesting And UM, like shout out to my editors. She's

1041
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: so amazing, Like, yeah, it is just fantastic. And and um,

1042
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: I was turning the column day late and she never

1043
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: says anything, and I was like, thank you so much

1044
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: for re patient. Um, but it's been really interesting because

1045
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: I get I get to shape this story, the larger story,

1046
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: what the poem is. You're trying to It's like you're

1047
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: trying to make an incision and you're trying to be

1048
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: as precise as possible. And with something that's a column,

1049
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: I get to shape out this this narrative of what

1050
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm telling. And and um, every column has a reference

1051
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: to my mother and it has a reference to me.

1052
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: So I'm telling her story and my family story at

1053
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: while I'm talking about dating. And I'm really excited to

1054
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Speaker 1: see where the column goes as it goes, like as

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Speaker 1: we go further, like, um, so far written about being

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00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: Catholic and sexual and becoming empowered, but basically about being

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: afraid of that God is going to come out of

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00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: the sky and be Like what I wrote about being

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: like a successful woman trying to date and how that's hard,

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00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: um I wrote about being a fat woman who dates,

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Speaker 1: um being And then this last column was about being

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Speaker 1: like the single friend and where I talked about the

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00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: mummies and and their partners and and I was like,

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00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: this is cute, but at the same time, like do

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00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I want this? Can I maintain this? Like sitting around

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00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: with couples, It just feels like from where I'm at

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00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: to where the intimacy that y'all are at, it feels

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00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: like such a wide distance. And so to the point

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Speaker 1: where you ask yourself, do I even want to trek

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Speaker 1: that mountain? Like it's my solitude? Better work, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it is work. But then I also see like

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Speaker 1: how and love y'all are, And then you're like, oh,

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01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: that's cute, like especially like you know, our friends that

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Speaker 1: are moving across the country together and stopping at all

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Speaker 1: the cities. But at the same time, I'm just like,

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: but I would have been like I'm going to grad school,

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01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: fool you stay here, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: it's like how do you balance being independent and being whatever?

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: And then it's just like, but you want your partner

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01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: to come with you so you could be like happily

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: together wherever you're at, and so um, yeah, it's about

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01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: navigating how do you juggle on that? Yeah, I kind

1083
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: of have started to think of partners as tethers um

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01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: like in us, in like this weird way, because just

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: feeling so connected to another human is not something that

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01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: I like kind of I feel you, yessica, because I

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: don't think I still don't have it in me yet.

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't have the capacity yet, and I can't I

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01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: can't go there. On some level, I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: really want to get to know another person intimately. I

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01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: don't have the bandwidth. Like, yeah, I think about events

1092
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: like when I have one of my events, so much

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: of my time is given to my mingoes, right, and

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: I have my man there, I'm going to be aware

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: that he's standing around waiting for me, that he might

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01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: want to go already, he might be tired, he might

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: be hungry, he you know whatever, and just to have

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: another person like when she want to fire was happening, right,

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01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: Like Angie wasn't my boyfriend, but like she's my friend,

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01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: right and so, but sometimes she would want to have

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Speaker 1: somewhere else to go or something whatever. I remember like

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Speaker 1: being aware of what she needed, like so strongly. I

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: used to think, what the hell am I going to

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Speaker 1: do when I have a boyfriend? If like just having

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Speaker 1: my friend with me is already like, oh, like I

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: gotta make sure, you know, like I get used to

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Speaker 1: your solitude. And sometimes that's real because like I think

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Speaker 1: about now, like if I were to be single now,

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Speaker 1: like this relationship, I don't, it wouldn't work the same,

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Speaker 1: you know. But the reason that it's worked is that

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01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: we started dating before everything really took off. So it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, being able to grow and build together as

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: opposed to like just all of this happening and then

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Speaker 1: someone else being thrown into the mix. Because it's definitely

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Speaker 1: different because he's figuring it out with you, and if

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Speaker 1: if you were to meet somebody right now, you would

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01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: be basically giving him rules, you know, And you know

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Speaker 1: what's great about um. I think what works about our

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Speaker 1: relationship is that we're both very career focus. He's not

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Speaker 1: trying to get married and have kids anytime soon. Neither

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Speaker 1: am I. So that's not even like a conversation that

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Speaker 1: we have to have. So I'm very aware that like

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Speaker 1: the relationship that we have is very special and very different. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we're not worried about that. Well, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: but seeing like like, um, I see relationships and I'm

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Speaker 1: inspired by them, right, Like like um, our friends that

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Speaker 1: are going across country too, said, we got to set

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Speaker 1: that in my you. Like I said, for me, I

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Speaker 1: would have been like her man and grad school fuck,

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Speaker 1: you know, But like for she gets to have like

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Speaker 1: a like her partner with her and doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: take on this whole new city by herself, right, And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's beautiful. That's beautiful that somebody is

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Speaker 1: willing to be like, let me pack everything up and

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Speaker 1: go with you, right. Um. But at the same time,

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01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: like it's just it just looks like you know, or

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: like when I see y'all and you're juggling his schedule

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: and your schedule and and then I'm like, funk, like

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01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: my schedules already, I'm over with my schedule. And then

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Speaker 1: like and I say, I want a man with a career,

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: so like I don't know what that's gonna look like. Google,

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: and and so that Google has saved all fights. No, honestly,

1143
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: Google calendar for folks and relationships with busy schedules. It

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: has saved us many a fight because we put it

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Speaker 1: in the calendar. You see it, you accepted it. You

1146
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: can't tell me I didn't tell you about it. You

1147
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: can't tell me you don't remember it's there, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I brifly tried dating somebody in January. It was awful.

1149
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: It was awful. One. I had kept like my social

1150
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: media from him because I didn't because that's a lot.

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01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: And then by he once he found out about my

1152
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: social media, he was just like, oh, you're just used

1153
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: to people doing everything you want. And then first of all, yes,

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: true whatever, but like I'm like, dude, do you know

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: how lucky you are? You know? Or that fool that

1156
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: I went on a date with two years ago? Whatever,

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01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: it's some yum how He was like, what You're like,

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: you should be used to like getting everything, And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what is everything? If? Like, you haven't worked for ship,

1160
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: you haven't been in the game for ten years plus,

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01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: it's not like you have a fucking butler, Like what

1162
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: are people talking about. But also like what do you

1163
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: what do you think I'm getting? Like I got a

1164
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: free drink at the bar, like at the short stop? Yea,

1165
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: what do you want? Not like you know, somebody has

1166
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: to take a picture with me. It's not like it's

1167
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: not like Gucci is sending me stuff to my house

1168
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: and my They don't make things my sentence, but you

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01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: know and see but some other goods. But you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm not really I'm not out

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: here like Rihanna, like walking around where I could leave

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: with a couple of wine and not think about it.

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01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could probably go to like

1174
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: the local taco stand and leave with like the sauces

1175
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: and what it tell me anything. But I'm saying this

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: is a lot next royalty. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's something.

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01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: It's it's beautiful and I'm really grateful for it. But

1178
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: like I I don't know what whoever comes around and

1179
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: like I end up dating and being like in an

1180
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: actual full on adult relationship with is gonna have to

1181
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: be someone that's very secure in themselves and who doesn't

1182
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: shrivel up at the idea of the fact that I'm

1183
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: successful and that's been what's happened so far. Yeah, I'm

1184
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna get my ship together before I tried to, but

1185
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, don't even tell me that. Get your

1186
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: ship together and then come for me. Then come find me. Yeah,

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01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: and then also like stop telling me that you're broke,

1188
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: Like it's okay, please Lord, stop telling Yessica that you're

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: broke and that you have a small thing. I'm gonna

1190
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: say that you stop it. Where is the game? Where

1191
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: is the courtship? Like there was a time where men

1192
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 1: were smooth and head game and had something to say.

1193
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: But also the new trend is the men that try

1194
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: to get at woman that I know because they think

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: it gives them a stamp of approval to disgusting. And

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: so I don't co sign a single man. Let it

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01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: be known. I don't co sign a single man. He's lying,

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: Yessica does not co sign his ask Yeah, he's lying.

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: Unless I tell you, girl, I think this guy's for you,

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't call sign him. What has it been like

1201
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: to be on because are you share that you're on

1202
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: some of the dating apps right in the horse? What

1203
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: has it been like when they recognize you and like, oh,

1204
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: should I just saw your book the other day in

1205
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: a bookstore. I laugh. It's because I'm like, what do

1206
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: I like? What do I do? Like? Do you follow

1207
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: me on Instagram? Do you know that this might end

1208
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: up on it? Say? Does that? Does that make you

1209
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: feel like this person may have a little bit more

1210
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: like maybe you're more open or does it close you off? Um? It?

1211
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: It makes me be nice to that, like I'm at

1212
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: least nice to them, because usually I'm not even nice.

1213
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't even answer like the hellos like legit, I

1214
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 1: only answer to argue when i'm because at this point,

1215
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm you only using the dating apps for content for content, right,

1216
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: But recently there was a man that was just like

1217
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: I saw your book and I said thank you, and

1218
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: then and then it always goes into like I've always

1219
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: wanted to write a book. I'd love to pick your brain,

1220
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: and so then like that's already a turn off because

1221
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: like you're minimizing what I do, and and that's not

1222
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't want you to worship. Well, yeah, I do

1223
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: want you to worsh out the ground and walk on,

1224
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: but I I don't want you to like like I

1225
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: only want to talk about my career, but I also

1226
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: don't want you to try to get resources for me. No,

1227
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: you get paid to teach people to read your poetry,

1228
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: to speak, you've done workshops like people have learned from you.

1229
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: You get paid to do those things. And I get

1230
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: the sense right, correct me if I'm wrong, But you

1231
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: also are not going to do free work for a

1232
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: man from ahead is maybe, but not from a man

1233
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: fu no like and maybe like a queer man, but

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01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: never assist hetero no, never on an app on a

1235
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: on an app doesn't make sense. And so I get that.

1236
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: I get them. They get the whole like I'm very

1237
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: sexually liberated because i'm you know, like because of my content,

1238
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: and and then I'm like, yeah, but that doesn't mean

1239
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: I want to like talk about sucking your dick in

1240
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: like the first five minutes, Like right, it makes sense.

1241
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,440
Speaker 1: So it's weird they treat like online conversations about sexuality

1242
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: as like an open door policy like other bitches open

1243
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: for business, clearly. And then they're the men in person

1244
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: that are out on the dating apps that like hover,

1245
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: and so I can't figure out if their mingoes or

1246
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: they want to be my man, you know, like, and

1247
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 1: so it's just whatever stress forever stress same you husband,

1248
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: word exactly exactly. I loving your husband. I'm down. Yeah,

1249
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm like your husband that like travels a lot for work,

1250
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: so we don't necessarily see each other all the time,

1251
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: but we still have we know what it is. Yeah,

1252
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: when we need a date night, we're like, we need

1253
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: to see each other. And we have separate houses, but

1254
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: it's all good. Separate houses. Okay, ually do staycations and hotels, yes,

1255
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: that's yeah, So okay, Yes, you have a book released

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01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: coming up, give us the deeds so that all of

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: our listeners can come through and support. It is going

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: to be September twelve at the Central Library. Um, the

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Speaker 1: event right will be going up this well, by the

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Speaker 1: time that this is out, the event bright will be

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Speaker 1: out with all the information and you can find that

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Speaker 1: on my social media because I don't have the information

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Speaker 1: yet right now. But it will be in the evening

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Speaker 1: September twelve at the Central Library. With it will be

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Speaker 1: a reading with a reception afterwards. And so if you

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Speaker 1: can't get into the reading because it gets packed, hang out.

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Speaker 1: The reception will have drinks made for each of my books,

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Speaker 1: and um, I'll be signing books and you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to like hang out and listen to music and see

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Speaker 1: all the other all the other almost as I will

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Speaker 1: also have a whole calendar of events, but I will

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Speaker 1: be here at Espasio on one um for another signing

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Speaker 1: with yours. Amazing. So your book at Mossa is already

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Speaker 1: available on pre sale. Yes, where can people pick up

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Speaker 1: a copy? They can pick up a copy at Nautical

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Speaker 1: Dot Media or on a pretty much anywhere that sells books.

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Speaker 1: I am at um or you could go the day

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Speaker 1: of and you will probably find me at Barnes and Noble,

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Speaker 1: at um anyone that sells books. But please support independent

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Speaker 1: bookstores please um Espacio Stories, Um uh what's the space

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Speaker 1: up here in in Boil Heights to the other book space? Um?

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Speaker 1: Other books or yeah, and so that place too, and

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Speaker 1: yeah the actual chest all the independent bookstories. Yeah, it amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sitting down with us again.

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Speaker 1: We are beyond honored that we get to debut the

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Speaker 1: exclusive interview about Edemosa. And I also want to tell

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Speaker 1: you that I'm so proud of both of you, and

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Speaker 1: every year that I come back, I see the growth

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Speaker 1: and today were like little like it wasn't even homegrowth

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Speaker 1: you were like so professional, and I mean you're always

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Speaker 1: professional now you're always professional, but today, like I it's

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Speaker 1: just seeing your growth is so so inspiring and and

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Speaker 1: I love you both and and I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: see y'all so and see what else look at us

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Speaker 1: do and to shake my ass at whatever whatever is next, next,

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Speaker 1: the next guy. We love you, Yes, mother of mangoes.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us once again. All right, look

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Speaker 1: I'm onus. We will catch you next time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for tuning into another radio, Mesitos